1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast throws a sexy depol. Welcome 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the League Podcast. I'm 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal. I'm joined by a couple of heroic individuals, 4 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Mark Sessler and Chris Westling. The preseason is almost over. Mark, 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: are you alive? I am? You know what? I like 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: that switch up a couple of heroic individuals. It's everything 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: is different right now. Dan Hansas, our host, is on 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: paternity leave, and so I'm trying to step into his 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: shoes as the host. But he will be back next week, 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: and until then, we're just gonna get down and dirty 11 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: with some preseason action. We've got Awards predictions coming later 12 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: in the week. We've got our NFC preview dropping on Wednesday. Mark, 13 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: when was the last time you were not staring at 14 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: a computer? Wow? It has to be maybe last Wednesday 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: at roughly three or four in the morning. You're ranking 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: yesterday on Sunday. We're at that time of the year 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: where any one of us sitting down there on a 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: shift you just a lot of stuff is happening. It's 19 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: it's nice. Actually, the quiet summer has given way to 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: a massive wave of transactions. I don't don't I do 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: like it being I like real news versus having to 22 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: write fluff pieces about the same guy over and over. 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: And actually, what I'd like about the preseason is some 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: of the mythology of the off season quickly becomes nonsense. 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: Do you like spending your Saturday nights with Chris Wesley 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: and I watching some preseason action at work? Well, I 27 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,199 Speaker 1: came here specifically to watch, Uh, you know the team 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: that I grew up with, the Browns, and that was 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: an epic train wreck. So outside of that, it's fair 30 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: point and uh, but it's spending the night with you 31 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: two watching football was enjoyable, Chris, Well, Greg's not even 32 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: in regular season former else you would have gotten a 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: few shoulder bumps if you're pushing you in your chair. 34 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: He gets very excited when football comes on. Yeah, yeah, 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: I mean this you know, little nuts you went, Devin 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: Hester got you going, that's true. Well, Hester, I was like, Wow, 37 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: this Devin Hester as a receiver thing is real. I 38 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: was getting excited. And he broke a couple of ankles 39 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: on the same on the same play, right at the 40 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, and then Bernard Pollard in the open field. 41 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: Was it? I mean, give me a break suddenly Hester's 42 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: making returns is like ten years ago. Do you think 43 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: Bernard Pollard could tackle you in the opening? Maybe not. 44 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: Pollard definitely struggled a bit in that strolling against Julio 45 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: Jones too was not a good look for he should 46 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: have just sat that. Yeah, this one has him. It's 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: real baby. What would happen if Ray Rice of last 48 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: November squared off against Bernard Pollard in the open field 49 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: a black hole with for him? Just what ending right there? Well, 50 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: we're talking a little bit about the Titans and Falcons 51 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: preseason game. We're gonna go through every preseason game and 52 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: just have our takeaway. Is also the end of camps. 53 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: Some cuts are starting, other news is popping up, and 54 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: we'll try to hit each and every team except for 55 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: the two that played on Thursday night, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. 56 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: But we gotta start with a little bit of news first, 57 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: and and to do that, we go to our producer 58 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: t d in the house. What's going on, guys? Are 59 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: you guys? I'm doing great? I Like I said, man 60 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: when I started doing a podcast, and one thing that 61 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: surprised me the most just Greg Rosenthal's energy. You know, 62 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: he does stand up. He does get Obviously, like I said, 63 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: he's like a Michael Sarah mixed with I wouldn't go 64 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: mclovin this terrible mix. And when you have a mix 65 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: of people, you can't have them be the same, you 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's like, that's pretty close. Yeah, 67 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: but you know he has a little bit of that 68 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: goal like he's kind of like a Tom Brady mixed 69 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: with a Peyton Manning. You know, it doesn't really make 70 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: think that's what TV was saying. It kind of was, 71 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's good. I love the energy. I love 72 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: you guys. Um, why don't we do a little bit 73 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: of news TD Wow, not a little shout out from 74 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: the biggest, one of the biggest listeners, Tristan, who said 75 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: that to me a couple of days midnight. You know 76 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: it was the remix version. Obviously, it's not asking a question, 77 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: it's a fact. There's still time, Tristan. There, there's still time, 78 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about that game first, the Rams 79 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: and the Browns, and you never know, maybe the Browns 80 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: could have a change of heart, or maybe Brian Hoyer 81 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: gets hurt. We would never wish that. But to Chris Wesley, 82 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: Will not eat any softball pans until after Week one. 83 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: That's right, true, Brian Hoyer has to take the first 84 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: snap for Chris to loose his bet. But let's not 85 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: bury the lead here. Prediction he will get sacked on 86 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: that first snap. Well, you still you'd still be eating 87 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: a lot of cloth. Uh, let's not bury the lead. 88 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: Sam Bradford hurt his knee in the game towards a 89 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: c L. We didn't know that after the game. In fact, 90 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher said he was very optimistic that Bradford would 91 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: be back and he thought it was a hyper extension. 92 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: But we learned a day later he indeed tour his 93 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: left a c L. For the second straight year, Sean 94 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: Hill is going to be the starting quarterback. At least 95 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: that's what they're saying. Let's let's start with that. Do 96 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: we believe that Sean Hill will be the starting quarterback 97 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: for the Rams for the uh? Not just the remainder 98 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: of the year, how about the majority of the season? 99 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: Mark Cecil, Well, I'm you know, based on what Fisher 100 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: said yesterday, I think I take Jeff Fisher's somewhat of 101 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: a straight shooter on this stuff. They they seem to 102 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: I think there's not a lot of other options right now. 103 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: Obviously they're gonna look and see if they need to 104 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: bring someone else in for depth because they don't have 105 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: a lot behind them. I think they believe in Hill 106 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: enough to guide them. I'm not sure it's a massive 107 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: downgrade from Bradford. Mm hmm. That's but it's kind of 108 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: a depressing downgrade, don't you think. I mean, if that's true, 109 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: that it's not that big of a downgrade, then you 110 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: shouldn't be paying Sam Bradford fifteen million dollars or this 111 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: regime didn't agree to do that. They did. They had 112 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: a choice used to make during the draft two years ago. 113 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: Would have been a little tougher to do then, and 114 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: they definitely had a choice to make during this draft. 115 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: They could have gotten rid of Sam Bradford. They could 116 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: have drafted. Agree with with what I just said. I 117 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: think they do think he's much better than Hill. I 118 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: thought you're saying they they just think the choice to 119 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: pay him all that money. I tweeted a week ago 120 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: that my next version of crash Davis is I believe 121 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: speech will include the line I believe Sean Hill gives 122 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: the RAMS a better chance to win than Sam Bradford. Wow, 123 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: so you don't think the ram season is over? No, 124 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: I look at what happened last year. They played their 125 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: best ball of the year when Kevin clements would replaced 126 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: Sam Bradford. But where where were they going with Kevin Clemmons? 127 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: Where they gonna can you get anywhere? Look, there's seven 128 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: and nine seasons just gonna look a little bit different 129 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: than it would have looked with Sam Bradford. They're still 130 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: to be seven and nine, all right, So you you 131 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: guys don't think it hurts them that much? I disagree. 132 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: I mean, I think their best chance to be a 133 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: difference making team was to get better play out of 134 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: the quarterback position, and and Bradford was their best chance 135 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: for that to happen. You guys are basing all yours 136 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: Sean Hill love on what when he played four years ago? 137 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: He's thirty four years old now, he hasn't started a 138 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: game since two thousand tens. It's not just that. If 139 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: you watched the opening preseason game and it is preseason, 140 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: he moved. He moved the offense down the field better 141 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: than Bradford has in his maybe since his rookie season. 142 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Bradford was having a better 143 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: than expected preseason, and he did a nice job against 144 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: the Browns on Saturday night. But my issue is more 145 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: that I don't care what quarterback you plug into that offense. 146 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: That offense reduces quarterbacks to milk toast versions of Mark Sanchez, 147 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: and Bradford is not. He doesn't have anything special enough 148 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: about him to get out of that dilemma, and neither 149 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: does Hill. But Hill in that mold will be as 150 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: serviceable as Bradford would have over the course of a 151 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: season if anyone will takes more chances. I think if 152 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: anyone listening bought the Football Outsiders Almanac, do yourself a 153 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: favor and read the Rams chapter just for Mike ten 154 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: years analogy of what Brian Schottenheimer did to that offense. Okay, 155 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: good teaser, it's a great read. Anyways. I mean, do 156 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: you think that they could be a legitimate playoff team? 157 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: You think seven and nine? I guess I never thought 158 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: they would be anything, but they're there, quintessential seven and 159 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: nine team. They're the picture of mediocrity. I mean, their 160 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: defense is the thing you'd anchor your hope on but 161 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: you can't. But that alone doesn't gonna gonna get it 162 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: done in in that division or in the NFC in general. 163 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: Do you think Sam Bradford's on the roster next year. No, 164 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure he We don't even know if he 165 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: wants to come back and play again. We don't know 166 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: that yet. I would assume, But well, are you gonna 167 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: anchor your if you have a problem with anchoring your 168 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: offense or your team's fate to a guy coming off 169 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: of an a c L surgery, how about a guy 170 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: coming off too right? They can't. Their first priority this 171 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: offseason has to be finding a quarterback. Could part of 172 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: that be bringing back Bradford If he's willing to take 173 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: a pack up from say seventeen or sixteen million to 174 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: four million, that that might be tough to pull off. 175 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: But if he if they want, if he wanted to 176 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: try to continue his career in St. Louis, I could 177 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: see that it's probably better to make a clean break. 178 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: They got unlucky. I think they made the wrong choice 179 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: by sticking with Bradford, But I also think they just 180 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: got unlucky, and it's kind of tough to kill him. 181 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: As Wesleyan points out in the past, maybe they will 182 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: stick with him because they're so allergic to getting a 183 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: playmaking quarterback. They passed over r G three, right. Uh, 184 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, whatever you think of Manzel today, they passed 185 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: over the constant of taking him or someone else there 186 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: you go. I mean, so maybe they will, maybe they 187 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: continue to live in this fiction. There are a lot 188 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: of people executive in scouts around ly who's still think 189 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: very highly of Sambred for just because of his golden arm, 190 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: even though he's never really used that arm. We we did. 191 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: I did a feature called Top ten Quarterbacks and Under 192 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: last year. Bradford was the hardest guy on the list 193 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: to evaluate. He even when he's played, he's never consistently 194 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: showed special traits where you would think that's the number 195 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: one quarterback in the draft. He hasn't been that consistent. 196 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: It's just a bummer. I I know, you guys think 197 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: Sean Hill could keep them competitive, and maybe that does happen. 198 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's the same guy he was 199 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 1: four years to seven and nine. I don't know if 200 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: that's I think it could be a lot worse than that. 201 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: And I just think it's depressing because if you're a 202 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: Rams fan, you've seen some of the worst NFL teams 203 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: over the last decade, and now the season is over 204 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: before it starts. If that's what it feels like, at least, 205 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: let's let's move on to the other side of the ball. 206 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: In that game the Browns, why not? What what was 207 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: your thought when you watched h Johnny Manzel and Brian 208 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: Hoyer take turns at at quarterback ones again, well, more 209 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: of the same. The more disappointing takeaway from me was 210 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: the defense, because in the previous game I thought, well, 211 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, there's some hope here. You talk about almost 212 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: like a Rams team. There's nothing going on at the 213 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: quarterback position that we can see right now. But maybe 214 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: in a tough division in the a f C, that 215 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: defense could have gotten them to eight and eate something 216 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: would have been that would have been big for them. 217 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what I saw in the last game, 218 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: and they were They were short in the secondary, and 219 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: that is going to cripple a Mike Petton defense to 220 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: begin with. But they were eating up all over the field. 221 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: I didn't see a whole lot to take away outside 222 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: of some of the younger players like an Armanty Bryant, 223 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: who's a really promising young pass rusher Chris and I 224 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: like Kirksey linebacker. He's got a lot of speed. Yeah, 225 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: he looked good. He jumps off the screen. I don't know. 226 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's it's not encouraging. Their cornerbacks had 227 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: some trouble with Kenny Britt, who has me believing in 228 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: him again. Kenny Britt looked great on two downfield catches. 229 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: He has his he has his legs back. I don't 230 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: think the Rams weapons are that bad. If you know 231 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: Britt keeps this up. He's looked okay. Chris Givens had 232 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: a long touchdown that place. I'm not I don't love 233 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: Chris Givens. Uh, Brian Quick, I'm not really haven't been bad. 234 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: But have they been deployed correctly? Right? I don't know 235 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: if that's gonna comes back to that. And you know what, 236 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,599 Speaker 1: no one's giving them any heat. Not to turn it 237 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: back to the Rams here, but they passed on Boardles 238 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: and Manzel to take Greg Robinson, who didn't even start 239 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: in this game. That's supposed to be a pretty safe 240 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: pick number two in the draft, a guard, and he's 241 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: not starting, and that's a problem. Imagine if it was 242 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: some other position, it would be it would be a 243 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: lot of chatter about that. I saw some stats on 244 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: what he did in college last year. He only passed 245 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: block of the plays, and on those plays he gave 246 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: up an unusually high number of pressures and sacks. Before 247 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 1: Before we move on, your headline for the game, mark 248 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: was Brian Hoyer does not look ready for prime time? 249 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: Are you are even more worried now about the whole 250 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: Hoyer experience? Is there still a chance West could avoid 251 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: eating this off? I think there is a chance because 252 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna see a lot of Manzel in this next game. 253 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: Nobody has lit up any team. They scored their first 254 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: offensive touchdown last game. It took three games. I think 255 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: there's a chance number one. But I don't think there's 256 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: any reason to believe that we won't see both quarterbacks, 257 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: if not three, or even four Browns quarterbacks this season. 258 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: I don't say that a disaster. Well, but you have 259 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: to understand something only once man that would have to 260 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: be hurt only once. Since they've returned in ninety nine, 261 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: has any season gone by? We're only one quarterback played 262 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: all sixteen games. That was two thousand with Tim Couch. 263 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: This is what happens to teams without a quarterback, you 264 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: invariably cycle through many of them in a season, and 265 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: I think we're just gonna naturally see the switch from 266 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: Hoyer to Manzel's sooner than people think. Watching that game, 267 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: man's El's touchdown run was the first time I've seen 268 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: energy at that offense all preseason, and it made me 269 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: think they just made the wrong choice. It made me 270 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: think that even stronger the concern and Lester's and then 271 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: we've seen shot, We've seen Shanahan do this in thee before. 272 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: Will he'll hide the offense to Week one? That's not 273 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: That's not a crazy thing to do. But Norv Turner's 274 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: offense in Cleveland last year got a lot of their 275 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: young players to turn them into weapons. I see none 276 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: of that happening with Josh Gordon, with Jordan Cameron, with 277 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: anyone in that offense. It's it's concerning, Well, it's a 278 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: tough offense to pick up Kyle Shanahan. And you know, 279 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: for all the criticism the Browns have taken maybe for 280 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: going with Hoyer, Manzel had his chances and he hasn't 281 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: done that much with him. He he had really the 282 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: same stat line as Howyer in this game, fifteen pass 283 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: attempts for eighty five yards. That's in the Gabbard zone again. 284 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: So he struggled throwing the ball basically every game, or 285 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: at least as an offense. I didn't think when I 286 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: watched this one that he played that poorly. I think 287 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: he was a little better than Hoyer. He's been a 288 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: little better than Hoyer every single game. Yeah, I think 289 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: that's fair. Let's move on to our next game on 290 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: the docket, Broncos and Texans. And the big headline out 291 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: of this one was Wes Welker suffering another concussion, Peyton 292 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 1: Manning getting really fired up about it when it happened. 293 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: DJ Sweringer, who we had learned on Hard Knocks if 294 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: you watched the show, is quite a trash talker, was 295 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: getting the Atlanta Falcons really fired up because he just 296 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: would not shut up that we and would hit guys late. 297 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: And he did the same thing against the Broncos in practices. 298 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: They didn't like him. Then Manning got mad, got in 299 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: Swearingrew's face. Now, welker status for week one is in doubt. 300 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: Uh West, you were assigned to this game. What were 301 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: your big takeaways? Well, the Welcer thing I get like 302 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: you said, not only is the Week one status in doubt, 303 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: you don't know what's gonna happen for his career. For 304 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: for what it's worth, the beat writers around the team 305 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: and John Fox's public statements are making it sound like 306 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: they don't believe it's gonna be a long term situation, 307 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: that there's actually a decent chance he'll play Week one, 308 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: which is surprising to me. They yeah, they say it's 309 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: not as serious as the concussions from last year, so 310 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: that's if there is a good sign that that's it. 311 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: Then they gave some credit to his helmet. What do 312 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: you think this offense would be that much worse without Welker? 313 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: I do. I think that last summer when we talked 314 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: about how they were gonna break records, it was because 315 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: when you have Welker and Julius Thomas, you can't afford 316 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: to double Dmarius Thomas. And I think Welker is one 317 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: of these guys. Look, he's been on the two best 318 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: offenses in NFL history. He's been a part of it. 319 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: That's not a coincidence. He's been the guy for something. 320 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: It's at least a little bit of a coincidence. I 321 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: don't think it is at all. I think that he's 322 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: a guy who was exactly where he's supposed to be 323 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: when Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are looking for him. 324 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: And I do think Emmanuel Sanders is best suited to 325 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: the slot, and they could move Laddimer in or or 326 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: Rachet Caldwell, but that's not as good. That's not nearly 327 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: as good. He's in Lattimore preferably in outside right. They 328 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: could put Laddimer outside, move Sanders to the slot, but 329 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: I don't think Laddimer's ready. He's not even playing ahead 330 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: of Caldwell in in four receiver sets, and he takeaways 331 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: from the Texans here. Jadeveon Clowney sat out this game, 332 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: but it sounds like he probably will be back for 333 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: Week one. Their offense has looked better overall after that 334 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 1: first bad preseason game that had everyone freaking out. Their 335 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: offense looked bad the other night. Overall, I would say 336 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: it was more competent, wouldn't it. What about Tom Savage 337 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: coming in and lighting the how sunfire. He actually completed 338 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: and passes beyond two yards this week, But well, Fitzpatricks 339 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: did not look good. The offense does not look good. Um. 340 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: I assume like most bad quarterbacks, he'll be moving the ball. 341 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: Once they are out of the game and the defense 342 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: slackens up a little bit, that's when they'll move the ball. Greg, 343 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: you are a Patriots faithful and do you think that 344 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: there's a chance that you know, there's a story coming 345 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: out this morning that they're holding Mallet out of the 346 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: next Patriots preseason game? Will he be on a different roster? 347 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 1: Could it be Houston? Yeah, they have the number one 348 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: I think so, they have the number one waiver pick. 349 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: It sounded like there was some level of interest in 350 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,880 Speaker 1: and before there wasn't much though or else they would 351 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: have traded for him. The Patriots, if they had any 352 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 1: chance to trade him, should have done it back in April, 353 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: because I can't imagine they'd get anything more than a 354 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: conditional seventh round pick or sixth round pick right now 355 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: for him? What about to the Rams? Why bother? I'm 356 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: not as big on Sean Hill, but are you really 357 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: going to get a big upgrade like shooting for seven 358 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: wins or eight wins with Mallet or Mark Sanchez over 359 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: Sean Hill? Like, you don't even know if that's better. 360 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: He hasn't been in that system. Malt doesn't strike me 361 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: as a guy that's going to pick up systems quickly 362 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: if I ever if I've ever made an NFL head coach, 363 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: the first thing I will do is refuse to play 364 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: some of these mid tier quarterbacks at all. Because we 365 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: saw Kirk Cousins his trade value plummeted into the nether 366 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: world last season when they tried to shoot. And the 367 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: same thing with Mallett. It's like, wait, this guy who's 368 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: themis right. He's not an enigma. He's just average. If 369 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: I ever owned a team, I will hire you because 370 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: that sounds delightful. Do you do you think that Belichick 371 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: wants his pupils to succeed? Or does part of him 372 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: how evil do you think he is? I don't know. 373 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: Is there a little part of him that's like, oh, 374 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: let's let everyone know it wasn't because of Charlie Weiss 375 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: that I was winning those games, or Josh McDaniels or 376 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brian in a Romeo cord, it's all me, baby, 377 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm glad they stink a little bit, right. I think 378 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 1: it might be human nature. Don't to want credit for 379 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: what you've done. O'Brien is the one guy, just it 380 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: seems like he does get along with him. Brian, I 381 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: don't think he would wish Ill will and try to 382 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: trade him a terrible ride mallet. But I don't know. 383 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: I'm not that optimistic about the Bill O'Brien ara. I 384 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: think it's more likely that he sends Josh McDaniels out 385 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: to Denver and he's like, just take about two years, 386 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: ruined that franchise. Come back home. That was the one 387 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: franchise that always beat the Patriots when they were at 388 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: their best. Denver, get them embroiled, and his scandal gets 389 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: the owner very mad. A couple of lost draft picks, 390 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: blow the place up. Come back home. We got a 391 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: job waiting for you, diabolical. You know what part of 392 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: that plan involves the Broncos getting Peyton Manning, Well, that 393 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 1: was years Lady sabotaged them. He got them out of 394 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: the way for a bit, all right. Bill Belichick clearly 395 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: one of the biggest masterminds in NFL history. Another one 396 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: of those guys Reggie McKenzie, the Oakland Raiders general manager. 397 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: He's making moves five steps ahead that no one even sees, 398 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: like like signing Matt Shop to a lot of money 399 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: and then sitting him down in practice because he has 400 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: a sore elbow. Where let's move to the Packers and Raiders. 401 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: What do we think of this this match Shop Raiders 402 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: quarterback fiasco. Well, I was watching this game at a 403 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: local establishment, and I believe one of the texts was 404 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: Greg just saying this is sad. It's just sad to 405 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: watch him play. And Dennis Allen had the unmitigated goal 406 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: to tell reporters when asked, have you noticed Matt shops 407 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: lack of arm strength? No, I haven't seen it exactly. 408 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: It's a quick one. Dennis Allen in over his head. 409 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: Reggie Mackenzie has no idea. You can't put You can't 410 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: let Reggie Mackenzie ever pick up a quarterback again. You 411 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,959 Speaker 1: might not get the change right. That might have been 412 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: the last one he picked up. He did take car 413 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: and and they did They did pick up McLoyd, who 414 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: I like both of those guys better than Shop. I 415 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: think that they're stuck in and hopefully it won't last 416 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: for long because they don't have time to mess around 417 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: in some damage control. You spent this is one of 418 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 1: these myths. You spent the whole offseason hoisting Shop up? 419 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: Is this more than serviceable? This a f C West, 420 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: you know, King, But it's just not true. And we 421 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,239 Speaker 1: know that. I'm gonna defend Dennis Allen. It's not his 422 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 1: job to be great with the media. Maybe he's not 423 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: great with the media, I'll admit, and he lies a 424 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: lot or whatever puffs people up, so do a lot 425 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: of coaches. That's not really what I'm judging about. I 426 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: think he's been given a bad hand. And now Shop 427 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: we're taking the show. On Monday, missed the second straight 428 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,199 Speaker 1: practice with elbow tendonitis. Derek Carr is taking first team reps. 429 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: Maybe this just works out better for everyone. Maybe Car 430 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: is the week When when I heard Ian's report that 431 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: Job has elbow tendonitis, immediately I just thought, this is 432 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: a face saving thing, to save face for Shop and 433 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: for the organization. Just get him out of the way 434 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: with his arm injury. Now, Ian said the plan is 435 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: still for him to start Week one. I'll believe that 436 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: when I see it, because you cannot let this guy 437 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: play in an NFL game right now. He's going to 438 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: get injured, and he's gonna he might injure other people 439 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: around him. That's what we said in the office this 440 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: morning to that something about it felt like an easy 441 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: backdoor to get one of the younger quarterbacks on the 442 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: field and let that guy. Why would Shop go along 443 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: with that? I play? I mean he needs to walk 444 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: away from the game for a while. TD, what do 445 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: you think here? You look like you've got something to say. 446 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: My thing with quarterbacks as is, you gotta always be 447 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: excited like there's nothing with the upside the starting match up. 448 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: There's no upside there. Put in Derrek Carr, see what 449 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 1: he gives you. If not, I mean, where are you 450 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: going to the shop? I personally thought they should have 451 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: maybe even play m Yeah. Mcglewyn's still By the way, 452 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: a lot of people have been heading us up on 453 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: Twitter about this whole preseason m v P race. Really 454 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: an idea that's taken hold. I would say across America, 455 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: mc lloyd is absolutely in the mix. I'm gonna narrow 456 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: it down to five or six individuals, uh that are 457 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: in the mix for preseason m v P before the 458 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: Thursday finales. Mccloyne's got a chance, Mark Sanchez has a 459 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: chance Mark Sanchez in the I think Travis Kelsey, mark 460 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: Ingram would be oh, I like Ingram. That's a good one. 461 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: Although he doesn't get enough carries each game, he's only 462 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: seven or eight. About Zach Mettenberger leading super jock every time, 463 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: I see a lot of excitement, I mean the preseason 464 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: MVP award. It's really the season is going to be 465 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: a letter. I don't know why we do the regular season. 466 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Packers. They lost b J Rodger 467 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: in this game. We learned afterwards it's to a torn biceps. 468 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: He was gonna play nose tackle for them. How big 469 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: a loss is b J. Rogie. I don't think it's 470 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: that big. I don't. I think he's a bigger name 471 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: than what he's actually produced over the last few years. 472 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,239 Speaker 1: And when you look at the Packers, they have one 473 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: of the deepest rosters in the NFL. They've got Josh 474 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: Boyd ready to step in. They drafted a guy in 475 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: as Or to fourth round this year was a nose tackle. 476 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: They have an undrafted free agent named Mike Pennell who 477 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: has been nicknamed Baby Haynesworth in training camp. They have 478 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 1: some guys ready to step in. He didn't complete the 479 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: conditioning test. They're talking about him picking people up and 480 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: just moving him off the line of screw is known 481 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 1: just like as a big jerk. It's not like the 482 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: Packers like went hard after getting bj Raji back on 483 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: the roster this offseason. I mean it happened supposedly he 484 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: was having a good camp. It's still not a good 485 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: thing for a team that's been so injury plagued over 486 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: the last few years. They just traded Worthy. It wasn't 487 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: doing well. They they've been so injury plagued, and who's 488 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: been more injury plagued the past month. They lose Raji 489 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: quote loarla uh. They're starting centers out for five to 490 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 1: six weeks. J C. Treader, they lost Jared Aberdaris, a 491 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: guy who was a good receiver prospect. All these guys 492 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: are already gone down. I think there's another guy who's 493 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: been injured too. They they've lost quite a bit. That's 494 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: two starters with Treader and and Rogie, so that that's 495 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: a big loss. That's basically what you're trying to avoid 496 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: in the third week of the preseason, and them in 497 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: the Rams had had a bad week. Let's move on 498 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: to the Panthers and Patriots. My takeaway watching this game 499 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: was not Patriots related it was Cam Newton that he 500 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: didn't play very well. We learned after the game, uh, 501 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: that he injured his rib. He's gonna sit out practice 502 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: this week. They are very optimistic he'll be ready for 503 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: Week one, but didn't really get to do a lot 504 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: of stuff in the preseason. Are we worried about Cam 505 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: Newton heading into Week one? I am. He looked like 506 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: he was too easy to sack. But this, you know, 507 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: one thing thinking about that game. Though all this came 508 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: after the injury. It's worth noting that he he injured 509 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: himself in the second drive. He wasn't moving well the 510 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: week before. That's true. I mean, I don't I don't 511 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: know how the accuracy problems for instance. I mean, he 512 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: suffered a pretty serious injury, right, but he stayed in 513 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: the game after the injury. It's just tough to evaluate 514 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 1: a guy when you know he's playing hurt. When you 515 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: if you go back and watch the Chiefs game, which 516 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: week before, is West says he and you know, maybe, 517 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 1: oh maybe in a month from now, they're thinking his 518 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: ankle would be better. But he was not the same guy. 519 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: It took part of his game out. He can't do 520 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: what he could do. This is why on the last 521 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: show I dropped the nugget, don't go out and make 522 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: this guy your fantasy quarterback next year? Fine? Last year, 523 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: fine this year? Uh wow? I like that very prescient 524 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: by Tessler is giving like a finger wave. I felt 525 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: like we're on like the Maury Show mcgloyne esque. What 526 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: was going on there? I was my version of mcgloy just, 527 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, at first ever fantasy nugget that I've ever given, 528 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: just walked down and just say listen, I'm done. One 529 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: other great one take away from this game. The Chandler 530 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: Jones Byron Bell matchup tells us things about both players. 531 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones could be him for a breakout season. He 532 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: if you if you look at some of Bill Belichick 533 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: does a few things where he talks, he breaks down plays, 534 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: and I saw this during the off season. He mentioned 535 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones more than any other defensive player. He's that 536 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: important to their defense. And Byron Bell, who the Panthers 537 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: are playing at left tackle, could just could not block 538 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones. That's a problem area for the Panthers well, 539 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: and they had really good success last year lining up 540 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones as a defensive tackle because even though he's 541 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: a little lighter in lankier, they just couldn't handle him 542 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: on the inside and his speed. So you've got a 543 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: guy that's strong, that can move inside, and now they're 544 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: playing him at outside linebacker two. And that's Bill. They 545 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: haven't had a dynamic player up front like that, and 546 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm trying to think two years. They 547 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: really haven't had a player exactly like that at all 548 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: in the Belichick era, and Richard Seymour is certainly the 549 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: last sort of dynamic pass rushing defensive lineman that they've had. 550 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: That that's a while. Get excited. Jimmy g by the 551 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: Way looked pretty good in his appearance. That long suffering 552 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: New England fan base, it's been along, it's been Chris, 553 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: you know, it's been a period. I would use the 554 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: word harrowing. I think we we we didn't know what. 555 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: I get a sense they may be u in for 556 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: a little bit of playoff run this year in England. 557 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: Good Kelvin Benjamin by the Way does look legit le 558 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: That's one thing we've learned from the preseason. I think 559 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: you can single out some rookies and players you haven't 560 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: seen too much in new places. I mean, he's got 561 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: some strong hands. I don't know if that sounds weird. 562 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: Perfect Kim Newton wide receiver because he's got a huge 563 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: catch radius, but a lot of the Newton's numbers would 564 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 1: have been terrible. And that game it wasn't for Benjamin 565 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: because he made three or four tough grabs with the 566 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: defenders draped all over him. I thought he looked good 567 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: when he was paired with Derek Anderson a couple of 568 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: weeks ago. That's what we might see come week one. 569 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, let's move on from that. Then Bucks 570 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: and Bills lighting up Americans all over the place. Uh, 571 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: let's start with the Jamaniel. That's another thing we learned 572 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: this preseason. One of the worst preseasons by anyone. My 573 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: takeaway listening to Doug Maron after this game where he just, 574 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: you know, in Doug Maron's out of short fuse. Sometimes 575 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: he just went off on the crop of backup quarterbacks. 576 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: But for me, the subtext included Manual, because what's the 577 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: difference between Manual and really any other quarterback on that roster. 578 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: I think he's a lot better than those guys. It's 579 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: a lot more talented. Dennis Dixon was second at quarterback 580 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: in this game, and he's no longer on the team. 581 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I think they always wanted to have a 582 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: Kevin Cobb type. I'm not saying Cobb's the answer, but 583 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: he wanted a veteran that he could really trust. That 584 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: didn't happen, That got short circuited last summer. They're gonna 585 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: pick someone up. Well, they could have done that in 586 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: the off season. Well, you're right, they did a terrible 587 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: job managing this. The thing no one asks about the 588 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: Bills offense and the Bills in general, is are we 589 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: sure that Paul Hackett's son, Nathaniel, who's never coached really 590 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: at the NFL level, is ready to run an NFL offense. 591 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, that's Nathaniel Hackett's biggest credit at 592 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: this point is that Paul Hackett's son, right, which most 593 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 1: people are listening probably don't even know Paul Hackett is. Well, 594 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: that's pretty much who he is. Yeah, the honeymoon for 595 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: him will quickly be over. But I'm asking you, if 596 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: you take you got your little Josh McDaniels that you 597 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: love so much, you put e J Manuel on the Patriots. Fair. 598 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: I mean, part of it is if you don't have 599 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: a quarterback that can make the quick decisions and the 600 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: correct decisions, your offense is sunk. That's fair. I'm just 601 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: saying Marone and Hack it as a combo. No one 602 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 1: really asked the question, like, do these guys know how 603 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: to coach at the NFL level? Their biggest credit is 604 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: that they went six and five at Syracuse. I'm just 605 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: that's not usually the resume that you before you get 606 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: to the NFL. Ian Marone had been in the NFL before, though, 607 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: but never as a coordinate, never really has a coordinate. Um, 608 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: let's switch it over to the Bucks. You know who 609 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: has a lousy NFL resume, Richie, and you try to 610 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: take public transportation in Buffalo, you're gonna get a house. 611 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna take kindly to your comments. 612 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: Really don't think that was like that that someone else 613 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: will be there, bad guy in a city. I've always 614 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: rooted for the Bills and their fans, but someone sounds 615 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: like they always you know how, I knew the Bills 616 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: fan base and and some writers that cover the team 617 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: were crazy because they really really sold chan Gailey and 618 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: buddy Nick's hard like they're like, oh, they're really gonna 619 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: turn it around. And that was And I'm just saying 620 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: that that means you're gonna sell everyone hard. If you're 621 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: selling those two guys had quit bullying the bills and 622 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: let's get the Richie. And you look at that transition. 623 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: Why are the Bucks working out Richie incognito? By the 624 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: time people listen to this, there's a chance that they'll 625 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: have signed him. We really don't know. It seems crazy, 626 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: it's a bad idea. It's not like that guy was 627 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: even playing well last year. I guess for me that 628 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: it tells me that the situation is so bad on 629 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: that interior offensive line and your quarterback that you went 630 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: out and made a big deal up with Josh McCown, 631 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: who who actually looks good when he's given some time 632 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 1: to throw, is gonna be gone in week four if 633 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: you don't fix this up. So you go, you don't 634 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: you drop the character thing you want? They they're gonna 635 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: do due diligence. They want to bring him and make 636 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: sure he's not a total headcase. You're looking for something 637 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: that's an upgrade that is desperate. Though Smith made it 638 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: sound like Monday afternoon that everybody was making too big 639 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 1: of a deal out of it, and there very good 640 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: chance they won't sign. I don't think it's too big 641 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: of a deal to make. I don't think we're making 642 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: too big of a deal about it. This guy seems 643 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: like associate path. Yeah, what is that? It just shows 644 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: that talent is all that matters in the NFL, because 645 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: he's not even that talented. You just look at him 646 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: and think, well, maybe he's a slightly below average starter, 647 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: and if that improves us that little much, like, we'll 648 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: give him a chance. Who cares? I mean, there will 649 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: be a flock of guards released in the next couple 650 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: of days where they can decide Incognito is not the guy. Yeah, 651 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: flock of guards. I like that band. Let's move on 652 00:32:54,120 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: to the Jaguars and Lions. Blake Bortles, the fever can nues. 653 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: We all are loving us some Blake Bortles this preseason. 654 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: I thought he might be in for like a letdown 655 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: game against first team defense, and he looked as well 656 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: as he has all preseason. This guy is the goods. 657 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: He's the real deal, and I you know, we I 658 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: got on Jacksonville for clinging to this Chad handing narrative. 659 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: I think they're actually in a really good situation. I 660 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: think they're gonna do the right thing. I think Bortles 661 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: will start sooner than they ever anticipated, and that's because 662 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: they didn't know what he would They didn't know this 663 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: is how he's gonna look. Any team that is looking 664 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: for a quarterback and suddenly sees this happening in the preseason, 665 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: you have got to roll with it. Yeah. They showed 666 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: so much confidence in him, and he showed confidence in 667 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: himself when they started his first drive on the five 668 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: yard line in the two minute drill with no time 669 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: outs and only I think like a minute ten and 670 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: they were just like, go for it, buddy, and he 671 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: moved them right down the field despite a couple of 672 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: penalties that set them back, set him up for points, 673 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: and had a couple just lasers. I can't believe he 674 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: wasn't known for a big arm like that was actually 675 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: a criticism of him that he didn't have like a 676 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: plus arm. Nothing wrong with that arm. No, it's impressive. 677 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: He even tried the damn Marino fake spike. That was good. Yeah, 678 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: he has that, Like, can we get a body language 679 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: on I was gonna jump in on this because before 680 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: the draft on the DDFP, I gave a little take 681 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: and I wasn't high on borders body language because he 682 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: was a little bit like too calm, No, not really 683 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: high and low, just kind of like straight. But from 684 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: what I've seen of him, like his arm for example, 685 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: and the fact that he does have some cohunas, they're 686 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 1: like a guy like that, it's his play that improves 687 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: his body language. Guys like, oh he can actually I 688 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: can buy that, I can hang out with him. You 689 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: know this watching this game, and I know that they 690 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: must believe in Henny in terms of probably how he 691 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: prepares and that they can trust him on that level. 692 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 1: But it was twenty eight minutes of Chad Henny in 693 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: a lifeless Jaguars offense. In eight four seconds at the 694 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: end of the first half, Bortles came in, let us 695 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: scoring drive, generated excitement, started making connections in chemistry with 696 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: his whiteouts. This is what you're asking your young quarterback 697 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: to do. I don't know how they can go with 698 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: Henny for more than a week or two, right and two, 699 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: two or three of those throws in that drive where 700 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: throws that a lot of starting quarterbacks either don't pull 701 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: the trigger on or they just can't make at all, 702 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: Like beautiful passes over the top of his own but 703 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: you have to throw it with a lot of velocity 704 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: or else it doesn't get there in time. Yeah, he's 705 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: twenty eight forty four over the preseason, four d and 706 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: thirty five yards and a touchdown of passer rating of 707 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,399 Speaker 1: a hundred and three point nine. This is what people thought, Oh, 708 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: this is how we're gonna be talking about Manzell or 709 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: if not him, Teddy Bridgewater, and if not him, someone else. 710 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: No one thought this about Bordles, and it's it is him, 711 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 1: and it's could be Jaguars. How about undrafted rookie Helen 712 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: hearns seven or catches over a hundred yards. He looks 713 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: legit also looking good in this game. You gave Reggie 714 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: Bush some grief last week. I did. You can you 715 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: can apologize now I was I was wrong, And he 716 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: looks fast, like just as fast as he did early 717 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: last year. And then it wasn't even the eighties six 718 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: yard touchdown whatever long it was. It was the pitch 719 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: a couple of plays before that. Of the play before that, 720 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: I thought he looked like he was shot out of 721 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: a cannon. He looks Reggie Bush looks really good to me. 722 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: All right. Moving on to the biggest game of the week, 723 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,920 Speaker 1: the Snoopy Bowl. Uh, let's talk about the Giants offense. 724 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: To start, we've had we have a pretty good body 725 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: of work because they've played four preseason games. It seemingly 726 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: gets worse every week, although they did finish up their 727 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: half of play with a good drive. Do you expect 728 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: this Giant's offense to be dead on arrival or at 729 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 1: least not play very well early in the season. I 730 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: think they'll be one of the ten worst offenses in 731 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,399 Speaker 1: the NFL. There are teams were last year too. There 732 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,799 Speaker 1: are teams without quarterbacks and Eli maybe you can have 733 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: a little more faith in him than Chad Hanny and 734 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: Matt Castle. I don't know Matt Castle's borderline, but yeah, 735 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 1: I might take Castle over. I wasn't not buoyed by 736 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: this performance just because they scored before halftime. They look 737 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: miserable for six or seven drives before that. I think 738 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: it will and we saw last year a couple of 739 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: offenses in Kansas City and others where it wasn't until 740 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: later in the year they started to develop their chemistry. 741 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: They talked about New York's offensive line has been a 742 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: really bad fit for this scheme, and the wide receivers 743 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: a better fit. But I think it takes a while 744 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: if you're a new guy that comes in to get 745 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: the players that actually do what you need them to do. 746 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen in in in four or five 747 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: weeks here. I mean it's gonna be slow. Gino Smith 748 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: played well in this game. He will be the Week 749 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: one starter. That quote unquote competition never really took off 750 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: the ground. The whole preseason was a little blah, and 751 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: he takeaways about the Jets offense in general from the 752 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: last month. Chris Johnson made some people missed the other night. 753 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: He looks faster to me than he did last year. 754 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,280 Speaker 1: There's a little more life in his legs. Chris Ivory 755 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: looks good. This could be a good rushian at that. 756 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: Dan Handis hopefully will listen to this at some point, 757 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: and he thinks we're biased against this New York Jets team. 758 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: Decker and done a few plays too. That looks like 759 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,479 Speaker 1: that could be a good connection. They were this close 760 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: to hitting a few plays. I'm willing to give another 761 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: I want to see Gino get another full season and 762 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: let's see what he can do. I mean, he remember 763 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: when Greg Costell came on the podcast lest year, he said, 764 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: I like him a lot among the rookie quarterbacks. And 765 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: one thing I think we also do we take shots 766 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,360 Speaker 1: down field. He's not scared too. He had zero weapons 767 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: around him last year. Deserves another chance. By the way, 768 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: if Dan, if you are listening, Dan and I did 769 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: have a go get my Sandwich bet for the podcast 770 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: on whether Richie Incognito would ever play in the NFL again. 771 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: It's not over yet, Dan, It's not over yet, but 772 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm not not really happy about that. Before we move on, 773 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: just we'll mention quickly Dmitri Patterson, who was supposedly going 774 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: to start in New York for the Jets at one 775 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: point this offseason when a wall for a couple of days. 776 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: Rex Ryan said on Monday he's never been in a 777 00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: situation where a player just didn't show up for the game. 778 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: He returned to the team Sunday night, and they're considering 779 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: uh I suspension. He is on a suspension rather and 780 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: they're they're not sure how long it's going to be. 781 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: Manicha made out of The New York Daily News reported 782 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: Monday afternoon that the reason Patterson went a well was 783 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: because he was unhappy with his place on the depth chart. 784 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: He had been moved down because he's been suffering through 785 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,839 Speaker 1: these caffine leg injuries. Hey, well, it's a weird way 786 00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: to handle it. And I think the one thing that 787 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: was brought up a couple of times was, you know, 788 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: especially with a guy like Rex Ryan, can they trust 789 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: this guy? They they're about to go into the rough 790 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: and tumble situation of week one through weeks seventeen, and 791 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's he's going to be around for long. 792 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 1: The cornerback situation was already dire there and now it's 793 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: gotten worse throughout the preseason with injuries. With Patterson, it's 794 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: a problem. Um, I'm gonna break a little bit of 795 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: news to you guys. Alright, this this may shock you, 796 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 1: but we're a little behind on time so far during 797 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: the show. Imagine that we've talked too much. So we've 798 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: still got a bunch of games left. Let's try to 799 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: go through some of the remaining games a little quicker, 800 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 1: and let's start with Seattle. In Chicago, Mark Sessler was 801 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: just going crazy getting excited watching the Seattle One. One 802 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,440 Speaker 1: thing everyone, and this is fair. We all look at 803 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 1: the preseason and say it doesn't matter. You know, teams 804 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: don't need to do X, Y and Z. And then 805 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: there's Pete Carroll that basically says, I'm gonna win these 806 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,359 Speaker 1: games and I'm gonna drop a hammer on every team 807 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,280 Speaker 1: that comes in this stadium, and they are fun to watch. 808 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 1: And that's what. You don't beat the Seahawks in that stadium. Preseason, 809 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 1: post season, regular season. It doesn't matter. But it's also 810 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: flying around. It's great and the and the way their 811 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: philosophy doesn't change whether it's a practice in the middle 812 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: of May or June or you're on the field in 813 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: the middle of January. And other teams can't get that 814 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,600 Speaker 1: same thing done. It's a little bit shameful to see 815 00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,719 Speaker 1: how other teams operate compared to the Seahawks. It's it's 816 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 1: a favorite pitch. They just fly around, you guys, right, 817 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,439 Speaker 1: that game was never closed. Russell Wilson has looked outstanding. 818 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: I know it's been the preseason, but he's hit a 819 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,240 Speaker 1: number of throws that were if Blake Bortles or someone 820 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: like that was making him. We are. We would just 821 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: be saying how he looked like the next second coming. 822 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,920 Speaker 1: Maybe Russell Wilson's ready for a little nobody's every leap, 823 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: Nobody's ever going to call him a game manager again. 824 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 1: They're just silly to call him that in the first place. 825 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: You should go read Bucky Brooks on our site what 826 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: wrote a very interesting article about what he's already seen 827 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: from Seattle's passing game and has a lot to do 828 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: with Percy Harvin and how they're using him and others 829 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 1: that they're going to expand the passing game, that Russell 830 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: Wilson is not going to be viewed the same way 831 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 1: four months from now. Harvin looks awesome and I throw 832 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: a sexy deep ball wrong, Podcat. It's still a great, 833 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,359 Speaker 1: still a great. Paul jermyn Curse looks good too. He's 834 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: got a little bit of size, looks like Wilson's favorite 835 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 1: red zone weapon. Bears didn't look ready to play. Jimmy 836 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 1: Clawson uh continued his solid preseason. He has officially won 837 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: the backup job and Jordan Palmer can go back. I 838 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: guess the coaching seems like he could be a good 839 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 1: quarterback coach for his future Kevin Patrick. Next time you're 840 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: in l A, I will have my sandwich. Oh, well, 841 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 1: what happened there? I told him there's no way Jordan 842 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 1: Palmer was going to make that roster. He said, well, 843 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: that was before they signed Jimmy Clawson, and who knows 844 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: what would happen once you signed a quarterback of Clawson's 845 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 1: cabra caliber. Dolphins and Cowboys I watched this one didn't 846 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: have a lot of big takeaways. The Dolphins have had 847 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,520 Speaker 1: a pretty boring preseason. No, Sean Moreno looked better than 848 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: I expected. That Cowboys defense looked exactly like I expected 849 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: yesterday that Moreno maybe in play for they didn't rule 850 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: him out as the starting running back. I think, no 851 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: matter what happens, he and Lamar Miller will split time 852 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,320 Speaker 1: pretty equally. Like the Cowboys offensive line, for instance, struggled 853 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: in this game, and that's It's one of those things 854 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: where I don't take too much from it because I 855 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: think that's a great offensive line on paper or what 856 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: Henry Hodgen would like us to believe. That says a 857 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: lot more about the Dolphins pass rush. Maybe they've got 858 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 1: more of the best pass orshers in the league, and 859 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: Cameron wake Olivia Vernon hit a big hit on Romo. Dion. 860 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 1: Jordan's suspended to start the year. Oh wait, that's we 861 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: don't even include him anymore. What's what's he doing? He's 862 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,399 Speaker 1: in the mix, He's just hanging around. Top five pick 863 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,359 Speaker 1: from a year ago. Man, that draft is gonna turn 864 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: out to be terrible. Wait the first three picks right now, Fisher, 865 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: jocol and Jordan's. Oh that's brutal, Lane Johnson, who's suspended 866 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,439 Speaker 1: right now? Who's number five? That's terrible? Jonathan Cooper's up there, 867 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: and number seven he's benched for seven is like the 868 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: son of the Uni Bomber. I mean, come on, Redskins 869 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,560 Speaker 1: and Ravens. Everyone was talking about how Robert Griffin the 870 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,360 Speaker 1: Third looked after this game. Chris, You started off the 871 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 1: off season saying, Robert Griffin the third was gonna be 872 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 1: your AH comeback player of the year favorite. Any change 873 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: of heart here? Yeah, I ditched that corner Silo road 874 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,320 Speaker 1: t d get get a Charles Barkley, uh quote ready 875 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 1: because r G three looked terrible, just terrible. What do 876 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 1: we really think though that from the preseason, he looks 877 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,279 Speaker 1: like he doesn't know how to play quarterback? That's how 878 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: he looks. He's hesitant to do everything. He's not even 879 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,279 Speaker 1: beating linebackers and defensive backs the edge when he scrambles. 880 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's also in a scheme change. Does that 881 00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 1: have something. I'm sure that has a lot to do. 882 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,040 Speaker 1: It probably has everything to do. I think his head 883 00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,600 Speaker 1: was messed with last year. I don't want to I 884 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: don't want to make too much of that, but it's 885 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 1: like it made on his throwing motion, which I think 886 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,879 Speaker 1: is a huge problem, and it got off last year 887 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: and has not been back on track. Well. He's known 888 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,239 Speaker 1: as a guy without great fundamentals, and I guess that 889 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: Scrutin's task to build those up. You got tons of 890 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,920 Speaker 1: weapons around him. So to me, the margin of eric 891 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,440 Speaker 1: for him is actually pretty big because I think Robert, 892 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: I think r G three could play mediocre and still 893 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: wind up with pretty good numbers because of all those 894 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: guys around him. This, Greg is the argument, this is 895 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: gonna happen next spring, and you're gonna you're gonna bump 896 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,399 Speaker 1: against this. But I'm gonna suggest that we don't write 897 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: an article on the website for like four or five months, 898 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna tell you why because everything coming out 899 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 1: of Washington, right, and I'm not referring to the com 900 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,359 Speaker 1: I mean, don't write any articles about ORG three, not like, 901 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 1: don't write any articles on the site at all, maybe 902 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: any article on the site because everything is fluff and mythology. 903 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: All we heard out of Washington was how amazing r 904 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: G two twelve four. But be fair, everything we're talking 905 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,640 Speaker 1: about right now could be mythology. If he comes If 906 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,799 Speaker 1: he comes out, week one is one to seventy five 907 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,560 Speaker 1: and three touchdowns, right, we then we should apologize. The 908 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,120 Speaker 1: best evidence we have our three games. Okay, that's the 909 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: only evidence that we have, and what we're seeing is disturbing. 910 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: My one Ravens takeaway. The demise of Steve Smith greatly exaggerated. 911 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: He has looks good, he looks tall, and he looks good. 912 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: Guy dad. He caught a diving touchdown out of the 913 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 1: back of the end zone. Was the best highlight of 914 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: the weekend. I thought, this guy looks good. A lot 915 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,719 Speaker 1: of people are hitting me up on Twitter actually that 916 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: Steve Smith does look taller. They support you Saints and Colts. Uh, 917 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: that would be a fun super Bowl. Uh, it was 918 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: a fun super It would be a funer. The Colts 919 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: weren't a bad team now that they got a fun quarterback. 920 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: The Saints played that the night after Seattle. And Seattle 921 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 1: had a perfect game, New Orleans and starters had just 922 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: about a perfect game. It was twenty one ten at halftime, 923 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,439 Speaker 1: but their defense had tons of pressure on Andrew Luck 924 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,320 Speaker 1: and Drew Brees looked like he hadn't missed any games. 925 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: He looked awesome. That the offense looked totally ready for 926 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,800 Speaker 1: the regular season. And Breeze didn't even have Brandon Cooks 927 00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: for this game, right, and he only played a quarter. 928 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: He left after a couple of touchdown drives because this 929 00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: was his first preseason game. Ingram looked good again. They 930 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: Marcus Colston looks. Colston looks better than he did last year. 931 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,960 Speaker 1: Ingram looks phenomenal. I haven't seen a better running back 932 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 1: this this month. I just again, though, and I don't 933 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: want to keep hitting this, but it's like you've got 934 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,320 Speaker 1: Sean Payton in the same quarterback and a lot of 935 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 1: the same part in place for so long that the 936 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: preseason does not present the challenges for New Orleans that 937 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,839 Speaker 1: it does for some other teams. Where they are right 938 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: now and there and as they should. They look awesome, 939 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: but they're also what are Super Bowl picks, So I 940 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,440 Speaker 1: think that we're not just saying they're good. In preseason, 941 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 1: Reggie Wayne uh returned from his torn a c l 942 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: That's something to watch. You know. I had one target 943 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,240 Speaker 1: in the game. He didn't catch it. He's a thirty 944 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,800 Speaker 1: five year old that everyone thinks is just gonna step 945 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 1: back in and be a big factor. I don't know. 946 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: I mean, if Reggie Wayne comes back and has five 947 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: hundred yards this season and there's a controversy about him 948 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: not starting by the end of the year, I wouldn't 949 00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 1: be that surprised, just because that's what happens to thirty 950 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: five year olds coming off torn a c l s. 951 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 1: I would expect to Keem Nick they have a better 952 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 1: year than Reggie Wayne. I agree with that. H Vikings 953 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: in chiefs my boy. Matt Castle officially named the starter 954 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: on Monday after what was his worst preseason performance of 955 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,840 Speaker 1: the of the last three weeks. Although he did have 956 00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,399 Speaker 1: a nice touchdown drive to start the game, after that, 957 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: a lot of usher didn't look so good. Alex Smith 958 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,279 Speaker 1: did not look good in this game. We're worried at 959 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,439 Speaker 1: all about the Chiefs offense. I'm worried about their offensive line. 960 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,359 Speaker 1: It seemed like Alex Smith was on the run all game. 961 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: He was, and their offensive line has been abominable. It's 962 00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: been one of the worst groups an offense or defense 963 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,200 Speaker 1: for any team in the league this this month. And 964 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,840 Speaker 1: it's not really surprised. We were worried about the offensive 965 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: line off season. And I think one of one of 966 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,279 Speaker 1: the other more disturbing things is every time you watch 967 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: the Chiefs in the preseason, Travis Kelsey barely plays with 968 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 1: the first team offense, even though he's a much needed 969 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,319 Speaker 1: playmaker for them. Fasano isn't really helping that offense. They 970 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: did have a three tight end set at one point 971 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 1: early with the starters that included Kelsey, but it was 972 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,719 Speaker 1: only those sort of plays that he's getting in on. 973 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,720 Speaker 1: They just they just don't have enough weapons. Their defense 974 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: look good. They do have a lot of players on defense. 975 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: Their defense look good. They still have issues in the secondary, 976 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: but they can definitely get after the pass. And we 977 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 1: got to move on. But West and I and Mark 978 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,520 Speaker 1: we're talking today. I don't know. I think Vikings as 979 00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:03,759 Speaker 1: a potential team of a t L. They got they 980 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: got some late momentum surprising. They are fun to watch. 981 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 1: Anthony Barr looks like the real deal. I think I 982 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,640 Speaker 1: need to see two minutes Teddy at quarterback, though I 983 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,560 Speaker 1: can't get behind Matt Castle. I like Minnesota. I like 984 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,680 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of never likes Minnesota, and I like 985 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,800 Speaker 1: Minnesota a whole bunch of teams around the league that 986 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,880 Speaker 1: have not gotten it right at the coaching spot for 987 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: a long time, or thinking maybe we should have hired 988 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,080 Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer half a decade ago. It's a good point. 989 00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: Uh forty Niners and Chargers. Chargers looked okay on offense, 990 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:41,200 Speaker 1: Forts often struggled again Calin Kaepernick rough preseason. Well, their 991 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,440 Speaker 1: line is I have issues with their line right now. 992 00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,719 Speaker 1: Kaepernick got hit three times four times I think it was, 993 00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: and one time when he was on the run he 994 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: took a hard hit. I mean, they just they look untracked. 995 00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: This offense is one I'm not worried about, even though 996 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: they have preseason struggles. I have total trust in their 997 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,279 Speaker 1: u interest. Jim Harbor and Greg Roman, I think are 998 00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,520 Speaker 1: great at what they do. We always talk about vanilla 999 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 1: schemes and not showing anything in the preseason. I don't 1000 00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 1: think the forty Niners are showing anything right now, and 1001 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,480 Speaker 1: we know in the regular season they don't get enough 1002 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: credit for this. They're one of the most creative offenses 1003 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,800 Speaker 1: in terms of multiple they're not doing anything like that. 1004 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,320 Speaker 1: That's true, but they're missing Glenn Dorsey, missing Alden Smith, 1005 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:26,200 Speaker 1: missing Navarra Bowman. There's some concerned maybe the team sick 1006 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,560 Speaker 1: of here in Jim Harbaugh's message a little bit, I 1007 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 1: don't know. I think they could be headed for a fall. 1008 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: Let's wrap up that excites you. That does screw the 1009 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,959 Speaker 1: forty Niners. Bengals Cardinals. Uh, last game of the week. 1010 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,719 Speaker 1: Not a lot of huge takeaways here, but uh about 1011 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,600 Speaker 1: the Cardinals receiver situation. I had a huge take away. 1012 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald looked like Super Bowl Larry Fitzgerald last year. 1013 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,320 Speaker 1: He just wasn't that guy with the hamstrings. In the 1014 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 1: year before that, he was catching past his ten feet 1015 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 1: over his head from Ryan Linley and h John Skelton, 1016 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 1: those guys I think he has I've been here and 1017 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,439 Speaker 1: talk to Michael Floyd will be the number one. There's 1018 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: no way this podcast Larry Fitzgerald's better than Michael Floyd 1019 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: John Brown looks dynamite. Yeah, I mean Floyd Gerald. They'll 1020 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,720 Speaker 1: be on the field together. There's what's number one anyways 1021 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:15,400 Speaker 1: in a wide receiver spot. I mean they'll both be 1022 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,040 Speaker 1: on the field. It's one of the better duos in 1023 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: the league. And John Brown is one of the few 1024 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,600 Speaker 1: offseason hype bunnies that we say, wait a minute, this 1025 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,080 Speaker 1: guy lived up to it. I'm excited about all those 1026 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: fluff pieces we wrote because he's doing it about hype bunnies. 1027 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: That's that Jim Hinn that honestly should be a feature 1028 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:42,120 Speaker 1: next year. And editor downstairs Rhino King, Jim Rhine King, 1029 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,319 Speaker 1: who uses HiPE bunnies religiously in the offseason. And John 1030 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: Brown fit the mold. You know how we know he's 1031 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 1: made it. They had Pittsburgh without an h Highlights Pittsburgh 1032 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,440 Speaker 1: State Highlights or whatever it's called on Sunday Night Football. 1033 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 1: It was like grainy film. Bruce Arians told Peter Kid 1034 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 1: Monday that John Brown, he guesses we'll play the offensive 1035 00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: snaps very good. Get excited. Not good news for Ted 1036 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,640 Speaker 1: Gint No, well whatever, it's good news for America and 1037 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,760 Speaker 1: maybe good news for the Cardinals as a potential team 1038 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,440 Speaker 1: of a t L because I still like them not happening. Alright, 1039 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 1: that wraps up. We got through fifteen games and Bradford's injury. 1040 00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 1: We did okay a little long, but hey uh we're 1041 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,359 Speaker 1: gonna be back on Wednesday with our NFC preview. Mark, 1042 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,239 Speaker 1: are you what are you gonna do immediately after work? 1043 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: Right now? Can you sleep? I got tagged with that 1044 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,799 Speaker 1: water bucket challenge thing from a family member. No, it's 1045 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: for a family member, my uncle, uncle Bob. I'm going 1046 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 1: to do it in my backyard with my children watching 1047 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,840 Speaker 1: on and I'm going to post that thing somewhere in 1048 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,600 Speaker 1: the social landsco importantly, who will you challenging? You're gonna 1049 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,400 Speaker 1: find out, you know what? You just put yourself. You 1050 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 1: just put yourself on the radar. That was a terrible 1051 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,560 Speaker 1: for all the listeners. You don't have to send me 1052 00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,359 Speaker 1: any tweets to do the ice bag a challenge. I've 1053 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,520 Speaker 1: been challenged about five times in the least two days, 1054 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,000 Speaker 1: and I have been remissed. But I'm gonna have Mark 1055 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,520 Speaker 1: dump some some water on me, like, yeah, we're gonna 1056 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:10,240 Speaker 1: do a double ice bucket challenge. Wow, I'm I regret 1057 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,799 Speaker 1: asking now what you're doing now you're in trouble, sup, 1058 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 1: all right? For Mark Sessler, Chris Wesley, and I'm Greg Rosenthal. 1059 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,600 Speaker 1: We will be back here on Wednesday. We'll see that