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Speaker 1: What were the worst thing that ever happened? It's funny

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Speaker 1: First, I wanted to do this because I did a

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Speaker 1: Norris was the martial arts star and then people started

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Speaker 1: this meme and then it just became funny and there's

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Speaker 1: hit him with a bunch of funny ones. But he

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Speaker 1: heard yet. The flu gets Chuck Norris shots every year.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Norris doesn't play hide and seek. He plays hide

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Speaker 1: Chuck Norris's tears cure cancer. Too bad, he's never cried.

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Speaker 1: And one more, Spider Man wears Chuck Norris pajamas. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty good. That is good. By golly, those are a music.

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Speaker 1: What a funny meme. But to the whole you're not

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Speaker 1: the father. It's it's interesting that that happens sometimes in

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Speaker 1: exactly like my dad at that age, exactly. I got

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Speaker 1: saying exactly the same. It's really interesting how the genetics

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Speaker 3: I saw this horrific news story the other day, and

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Speaker 3: we went through the IVF process, this woman gave birth

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Speaker 4: Oh at the facility.

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Speaker 1: heart wrenching standpoint, that would be different than oh you

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Speaker 2: God, yeah, hey, doc, look, I'm no bigot or anything,

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Speaker 2: but my son here, and I use that term advisedly,

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Speaker 1: Poc in term we use these days, doctor, I believe

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Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, yes, my son clears to clearly his bipocket.

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Speaker 1: So what brought me up to the Coultree is what

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Speaker 1: this you're not the father was the horror of the

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Speaker 1: Moriy Pulvid show.

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Speaker 1: I am going to watch this, Katie. You need to

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Speaker 1: because it sounds like something we would all enjoy. There's

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Speaker 1: a new docuseries on Hulu Disney made by ABC called

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Speaker 1: Dirty Talk when daytime talk shows ruled TV, and it

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Speaker 1: Maury with his paternity test and all that sort of stuff?

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Speaker 1: All these shows push boundaries with fights, shocking reveals, and

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Speaker 2: Whoo you've been claiming now for a number of months,

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Speaker 1: to cheer about it? Yeah? Or you had a one

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Speaker 1: What's going on in your life? And but just doing

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Speaker 1: Right, that was his best part. Just see, ah, can

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Speaker 2: We're really hoping we could heal souls and bring people together.

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Speaker 4: But they did all start with Herado getting his nose broken.

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Speaker 2: And yet that sort of entertainment. And yet if my

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Speaker 1: Ain't encyclopedias, if you know what I'm saying, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: That was That's a good pull, because that was that

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Speaker 2: now I know what this is.

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Speaker 1: Or you might recognize this person in the stripper walks

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Speaker 1: What were you into?

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Speaker 1: I don't remember which radio station we worked at where

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Speaker 3: least for me. With those, you can find the best

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Speaker 3: compilations of those cases on like YouTube and get like

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Speaker 3: a solid hour of just watching the best moments, because

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Speaker 3: you're right, they do totally they make they stretch them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, according to this, The rule over daytime TV faded

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Speaker 1: in the two thousands as reality TV like Survivor and

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Speaker 1: reality competitions on different channels took over audience attention. So

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Speaker 1: the audience that was watching that one to you know,

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Speaker 1: to get along or whatever. Court shows were on the rise,

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Speaker 1: or just ended. OPRAH remained dominant until twenty eleven. But

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Speaker 1: you know what would have been a go ahead, anything

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Speaker 1: goes era of the nineties came to an end. And

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Speaker 1: that's what this show is about, dirty talk when daytime

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Speaker 1: talk shows rule TV. I will absolutely watch that documentary.

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Speaker 4: I just cuted it on my me too.

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Speaker 2: You know who would have been absolutely the perfect guests

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Speaker 2: Springer would have been the infamous Amber heard and Johnny Depp.

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Speaker 1: Did her dog crap on his bed or that would

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Speaker 1: have been good, Oh just perfect. God Stars, That's gotta

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Speaker 1: like politically and culturally now that it just was where

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Speaker 1: we were headed from that sort of stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're you'd have to be older. But like way

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Speaker 1: back in the day, your daytime talk shows and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that, like Dick Cavitt or something like that. He'd

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Speaker 1: these conversations that you just never see anymore. That was

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Speaker 1: daytime TV back then and game shows. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the turn we took toward you know, drunk dwarves fighting

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean as the direction we're headed as

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Speaker 2: Think fancy people would say it gave a permission structure.

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Speaker 2: Is that the term they is something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there is really nothing more LCD Lowest Common Denominator

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Speaker 1: than those perternity tests though, I mean, that is just horrific.

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Speaker 1: But that was daytime entertainment. Owl my balls, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: To rewatch Idiocracy, m hmm, the World the greatest movie

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Speaker 2: ever made. And you think that's gonna have it.

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Speaker 4: I know that's gonna Here's a loving husband.

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Speaker 2: Forgot about the cheery, the chanting anytime a fight broke out,

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Speaker 4: Y chary, yep, God, well, I guess that's it