1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: All right, the tip the feel, Oh wow, Catchel. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 2: We're twenty one games into the twenty twenty fourth season. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 2: Lon Soto has been terrific. The Yankees are in first place. 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: Anthony Volpi got off to a great start, but Aaron 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: Judge continues to struggle. Should Yankees fans be worried? Talking 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: tonight with Max Goodman, beat reporter for the Yankees, and 7 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 2: we will get into all of the ins and outs 8 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: with the team through the first three weeks of the season. 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: This is NYY Recaps. Call me back, all right, Welcome back, everybody, 10 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: Welcome back, and welcome back to Max Goodman, who has 11 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: been with the Yankees for many of their first twenty 12 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: one games. Had today off, probably needed it after a 13 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: trip to Canada and Cleveland. But before we get into 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: the nitty gritty, we had the ceremony for John Sterling today. 15 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: What is your favorite John Sterling home run call of 16 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: all time? 17 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: Man, We were just talking about this right before we 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: went live, and I had a couple seconds to think 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: about it. I'm gonna go with Yang Hervis Salarte, never nervous, 20 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: Yang Hervis Solarte. Yeah, I love that one. A couple 21 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: other classics, but you know, I did an article for 22 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: the morning after it was announced that he was retiring, 23 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: and a bunch of other sites had done like their 24 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: top ten Sterling calls. I took it a step further. 25 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: I did top thirty six for his thirty six years 26 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: that he was in the booth. So it was nice 27 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: to go down memory lane. You know, I'm from New 28 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: York City. I listened to John with my dad growing up, 29 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: and we'd mute the TV at the very last second 30 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: to get his you know, the Yankees win at the end, 31 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: so that was always special. And he's like like Susan 32 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: Wall and was saying throughout the last couple of weeks, 33 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: there will never be anybody like him again, and I 34 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: know that, you know, the fan is in good hands 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: with whoever's going to take his spot moving forward, and 36 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: we'll see, but yeah, no one will ever replicate what 37 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: what kind of individual he was. 38 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: I remember the first the Yankees, when it was not 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: even planned. It was just kind of like I believe 40 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: it was the ninety six Playoffs, might have been the Orioles, 41 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 2: might have been the Rangers. I don't think it was 42 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: the World Series, but it was just kind of like 43 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: an impromptu thing and I remember on Sports Center in 44 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: the morning they would play clips from John Sterling because 45 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: he was so iconic. I mean it's thirty years ago almost, 46 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: and wow, I mean I'm really gonna miss him. I 47 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: think my favorite all time is the Bam Tino. I 48 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 2: just thought that was I just got to kick out 49 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: of that and then burn Baby Burne obviously was great, 50 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: but honorable mention the Grande man Can. 51 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that one was in the h whoever cut up 52 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: that tribute video that they played on the jumbo Tron 53 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: today but also posted on Twitter magnificently done because it 54 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: had a bunch of those in there, and really, you know, 55 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: it took you down memory lane. Like I said earlier, 56 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he was there for everything, right, all of 57 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: those dinasty years. The fact that he was there for 58 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: every single pitch of Derek Jeter's career is mind blowing, right, 59 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: and it puts it into perspective that that was only 60 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: a fraction of his career in the booth. And you 61 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: know he did other sports and such before going to 62 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: the Yankees too. So man, just just iron man, icon, 63 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him, He's one of the greats. 64 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I tried to put it in perspective this week, 65 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: so I do a recap after pretty much every game. 66 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 2: I haven't done every game for every season since I started. 67 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: I usually miss one or two of the West Coast 68 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: games and just doing a twenty five minute show, like 69 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: it's pretty it's pretty difficult to do that every single night. 70 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: I can't imagine doing three hours. And then he would 71 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: also do a post game show for many many years 72 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: where he would go through and play his calls and 73 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: kind of describe and just it's just mind boggling how 74 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: hard this guy had to work. But yeah, I wanted 75 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: to just give a hats off to John Sterling before 76 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: we got too far into this. But the chat is 77 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: filling up, so let's talk a little bit about one 78 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: of his other home run calls that we haven't gotten 79 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: to hear very much this year. 80 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 3: That is all Rise. 81 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: So I'm seeing a lot more vitriol in the comments 82 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: about Aaron Judge than I've ever seen. I mean, it's 83 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: getting bad. People are really down on him. I don't 84 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: know if it's the combination of the frustration built over 85 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 2: from last year and we were expecting this, you know, 86 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: great two and three in the lineup, and he really 87 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 2: has struggled out of the gate, but people are losing 88 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: their minds over this slow start. Another miserable day today 89 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,119 Speaker 2: over four or four strikeouts on his bobblehead day, got 90 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: booed on his bobblehead day. So I just wanted to 91 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: kind of get your perspective. Since you're around the team 92 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: and around the ballpark a lot, you know, what would 93 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: you say to Yankees fans who are worried about Judge 94 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: and specifically right now. Do you think that there's something 95 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: physically affecting him or is it just a slump. 96 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: Well, first off, whoever you talk to within the organization, 97 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: they're telling us that there's nothing to be worried about. 98 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: I mean even even Aaron Boone today saying, you know, 99 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: it's Aaron Judge, it's only a matter of time. We're 100 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: not worried in the slightest And yes, it is really early, right, 101 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: I mean we haven't even been through a month of 102 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: the season. There are other superstars that have been pretty 103 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: cold with other teams. It happens to the best of them, 104 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: but it is a bit of a red flag. Knowing 105 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: that he did miss a little bit of time with 106 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: the abdomen injury during spring training. You wonder if that's 107 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: connected to an oblique or something else that he's had 108 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: in the past. You know, he admitted to us during 109 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: spring training that the toe is still going to be 110 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: something that needs to be you know, kept an eye 111 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: on that, that was the injury from last year, that 112 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: there needs to be maintenance done on that throughout his 113 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: his career moving forward. But yeah, you see those numbers 114 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: right there. What stands out most to me is that 115 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: he's not mashing the fastball. And you know, I wrote 116 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: a couple of numbers down. He hit over three twenty 117 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: in each of the last two seasons with a slugging 118 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: percentage in the seven hundreds against the fastball. This year 119 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: so far, he's hitting two hundred with a three fifties 120 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: slugging percentage. And just because I was on that road trip, 121 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 1: you know, he did have the walk off against Toronto, 122 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: right but before that, he was zero for twelve in 123 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: that series with seven strikeouts. And I think back to 124 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: when at bat. I believe it was in that game 125 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: against Kevin Gosman, a pitcher that he has a lot 126 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: of familiarity with, has great numbers against, and had just 127 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: seen him, you know, two starts prior at Yankee Stadium, 128 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: and it was two to zero in the count and 129 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: he fouled a pitch back that was basically right down 130 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: the middle of fastball in a hitter's count, and you know, 131 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: the camera panned to him and he was just shaking 132 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: his head. And that's something that Judge has been saying recently, 133 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: that he's just missing the pitches that you normally used 134 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: to seeing him drive out of the ballpark or at 135 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: least drive to all fields. And the very next pitch 136 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: he broke his bat and he grounded into a double play, 137 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: and it's just kind of spiraling for him. He's not 138 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: taking advantage of the mistakes. And yes, he is up 139 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: there in walks and there are some metrics that you 140 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: can still be encouraged about, and obviously the track record 141 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: is there, but it's just very uncharacteristic, i'd say, when 142 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: you look at other parts of the lineup not producing 143 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: as well, it's eerily similar to what we saw last 144 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: year from this team, except Soto is now Judge, because 145 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: last year Judge was the great hitter and the rest 146 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: of the lineup was failing in a lot of big moments. 147 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to see them both hot at 148 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 2: the same time for a little while. That will be 149 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: fun to watch. But you know, I just wanted to 150 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: throw this out there for the Yankees fans, who I know, 151 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: some people kind of watch casually or they pick up 152 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: certain games during the season. There's been a ton of 153 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: players throughout history that have gotten off to really bad 154 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: starts and still had really good seasons. Just a couple 155 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: of Yankees examples. Mark t Riff two thousand and nine. 156 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 2: In April, he hit two hundred with three home runs 157 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 2: and ended up leading the league in home runs and RBIs. 158 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: And then when Tino Martinez first came to the Yankees, 159 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 2: he's stunk until about mid May and then he turned 160 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 2: it on, So that might have been a different scenario. 161 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: But guys get off to slow starts all the time 162 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: and can turn around a couple years. Bragman went one 163 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: for thirty two to start the season, you remember that, 164 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: and then he hit three eight. I looked it up, 165 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: so you know, three weeks into the season. I'm not 166 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: like hitting the panic button. I feel like, honestly, it 167 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: would have probably been better for him to start the 168 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: season on the IL and get a proper spring training 169 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: though Thoughts on that. 170 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: Well, what you know, in spring training he was saying, 171 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: all I need is thirty at bats to get going, 172 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: and I can get all those at bats in the 173 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: cage or on the backfields when you guys aren't watching. 174 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: But something else that he said today is that he's 175 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: had worse starts in his career. And I went and 176 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: fact checked that, and he's never had to start anywhere 177 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: near this unless you count twenty sixteen, which obviously wasn't 178 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: at the beginning of a season, and it was his 179 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: first taste of big league action, so at that point 180 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: that the strikeouts were way higher. But even then, he 181 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: was hitting one seventy four with a five eighty ops 182 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: in his first twenty one games or two whatever it 183 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: would be through now, and right now he's hitting one 184 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: seventy nine, and you know, you're just not seeing him 185 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: do what he normally does. This is Aaron Judge we're 186 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: talking about. He had a bobblehead tonight because he hit 187 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: sixty two home runs in a season. He's an MVP 188 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: not too long ago. So yes, there are other players 189 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: around the league that maybe still haven't hit a home 190 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: run or they're hitting around two hundred. It's just you 191 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: consider all of the factors, and it is a red flag. 192 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: Like I said, you're a little concerned because maybe he 193 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: isn't one hundred percent and he's not going to tell 194 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: us that. He's clearly dealing with a couple of different things. 195 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: And maybe it's just a timing issue as well, because 196 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: that was your initial question here. Did he need a 197 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: little more time against live pitching, And maybe that's what 198 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: is holding him back because now he's chasing out of 199 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: the zone when he normally takes those pitches, or like 200 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: I said earlier, he's missing that mistake pitch right down 201 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: the middle that normally he hits four hundred and fifty 202 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: feet right. 203 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: Well, one guy who has been, you know, living up 204 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: to what we expected even more I think, is Juan Soto. 205 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: He's been unbelievable. 206 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: Every at bat is super entertaining. Just watching the war 207 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: on television is amazing. You've gotten to see a lot 208 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: of it up close. You know, what's been your impression 209 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 2: of being around Wan Soto for you know, the first 210 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: part of the season, seeing him as a professional, and 211 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: you know the reactions of the other baseball people who 212 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: presumably see a lot of other players, and you know 213 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 2: how they're reacting to want Soda, right. 214 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we talked about this, you know, 215 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 1: shortly after he was acquired, but also in spring training. 216 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we're all baseball fans, right, and we all 217 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,719 Speaker 1: knew about the greatness of Soda, and we've watched him 218 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: on TV or maybe when he's played against the Yankees. 219 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: I've had a chance to watch him in person, but 220 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: to see day to day just the generational talent that 221 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: he is. And you see some of the numbers there, 222 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: the numbers with runners in scoring position, it's like a 223 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: cheat code and every single at bat when he goes 224 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: up there, and also played appearance right, because he works 225 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: walks like nobody's business. It's a war. Like you said, 226 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: it's a spectacle. It's appointment viewing. 227 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: You know. 228 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: If we're in the press box and I want to 229 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: go grab a snap from the back room or I 230 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: have to go to the restroom, I'll make sure that 231 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: Soto is not going to be up because that's a 232 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: plate appearance that you don't want to miss. And again, 233 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: the numbers are just unprecedented, they're ridiculous. And if he 234 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: keeps this up, he's going to win an MVP this year. 235 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that's how good he's been. And you talk 236 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: about taking advantage of mistake pitches that the home run 237 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: he hit the other night to cap off that inning 238 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: against the Rays and lead to the victory, and that 239 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: I think brings me to my next point, because you 240 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: check the third base camera looking into the dugout, and 241 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 1: everyone on the Yankees is really enjoying this too, and 242 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: Soda will refer to that group as a family, and 243 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: it seems like he's really enjoying his time here so far, 244 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: which obviously is a good thing for those that want 245 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: to keep him around. And I think that's the vast 246 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: majority of the fan base and the organization. But with 247 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: every special moment that that price tag is going to 248 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: confute your eyes, and I think that, you know, hal 249 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: Steinberner must be watching and recognizing the fact that he's 250 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: got to figure out how to keep Sodo in pinstripes, 251 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: but also thinking how much of it am I going 252 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: to actually have to spend because other teams are seeing 253 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: this too, and Soto is just he's one of the greats, 254 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: and not just this year and not just this generations. 255 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: He's one of the best of all time in terms 256 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: of what he's been able to accomplish to this point 257 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: in his career and when he's at his peak. So 258 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: if he keeps this up, like I said, it's gonna 259 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: be a special year for him. 260 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: If if hal Steinbrenner has to sell one of his 261 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: private jets to get it done, then that's what he's 262 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: gonna have to do. We can't let this guy go 263 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: just kind of spitballing. What do you think of numbers 264 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: for him? I mean, is he gonna get fifty million, 265 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 2: sixty million a year? I mean, Showy obviously brings with 266 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 2: him the deferments, which lowers the value present day, and 267 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: he pitches, so you know, seven hundreds probably off the table. 268 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: But I saw that Fangrafts projected fifteen years, seven hundred 269 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: and one million for. 270 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: One Soto, which would be nuts. 271 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: If you had to kind of just guess what would 272 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 2: what would be like your starting point? 273 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, it was what four forty from the 274 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: Nationals said no, Ago and he said no. And there 275 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: are some other teams out there that could probably offer 276 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: even more than what the Yankees would would consider. 277 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: You know, I do. 278 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: I think he's going to break the all time record 279 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: now and go above Otani range. Probably not, I guess, because, 280 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: like you said, he doesn't pitch. Also, maybe six hundred, though, 281 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: I mean, if he continues like this, not to mention 282 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: the fact that he plays in one hundred and sixty 283 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,119 Speaker 1: two games a year, it's not like he has concerns. 284 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: And the guys, what twenty five, twenty four. 285 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 3: He's younger than Adlie Rushman, all of them. 286 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean there are prospects coming up and 287 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: in this six the seventh season, so you could argue 288 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: that he's only scratching the surface of his greatness. And 289 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: if he has twelve fifteen years at Yankee Stadium, who 290 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: knows what kind of numbers he's going to put up too. 291 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, if it's five point fifty, if it's six hundred, 292 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: I think Yankees fans need to prepare to start spending 293 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: more on their chicken buckets at the stage he's around. 294 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I would. I would pay a little 295 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: bit more for those checking buggets for the hot dog. 296 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: I mean there are already it's like twenty bucks for 297 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 2: a hot dog or whatever. But all right, So another 298 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: guy who got off to a very good start slumping 299 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 2: a little bit right now is Anthony Volpi won for 300 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: his last eighteen if my math is right, but he 301 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: seems like a much more confident player. He's being aggressive 302 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: on the basis he's looked good in the field. You know, 303 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: the swing path is obviously different. I've heard a few 304 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: veteran baseball personalities, like on MLB Network and so forth, 305 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: say that, you know, this guy's an emerging superstar. Do 306 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: you agree with that assessment? 307 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: I do, yeah, you know. I I thought he was 308 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: going to take a step forward this year, and probably 309 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: a big step, but I didn't imagine this kind of start. 310 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: And again it is early. We'll see what he's able 311 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: to able to accomplish over the next couple of months. 312 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: And I think the biggest test for Anthony is how 313 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: is he going to adjust when opposing pitching staffs start to, 314 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, to get ahead of him and they adjust 315 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: to the adjustments that Volpi's already made because it's a 316 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: different it's a different swing. He has that confidence, Like 317 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: you said, I go back to the the at bat 318 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: that he had against Emmanuel Class A in Cleveland, where 319 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: the cutter from Class A is just about as unhittable 320 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: of a pitch in all of baseball, especially in a 321 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: high leverage spot. Volpi had never seen that pitcher before, 322 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: he never faced him, and he said to us after 323 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: the game that he was like scrambling to find, you know, 324 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: some scouting reports from guys in the dugout, and he 325 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: goes up there and he saves the game and he 326 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: you know, they ended up losing, obviously in extras, but 327 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: the he goes the other way with that pitch, doesn't 328 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: try to do too much and one hundred and one 329 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: hundred point four mile an hour cutter cutting away from 330 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: him to the outside corner and he takes it all 331 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: the way to the gap and right center, and you know, 332 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: you're seeing some of the defensive highlights there too. He's 333 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: one of the best shortstops defensively in the game. Obviously, 334 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: he won a goal Glove last year. And without overstating this, 335 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: I think you're starting to see if he can continue 336 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: to put this together and continue to develop right because 337 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: he's only twenty two, he could end up being one 338 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: of the best well rounded players on the field on 339 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: any given night. And the changes to his swing it 340 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: hasn't zapped too much of his power, and the metrics 341 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: across the board are just spectacular. Which shows you that 342 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: he can continue to develop. He's the quintessential leadoff guy 343 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: because he's stealing bases, he's getting on he's slapping the 344 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: ball to wall fields. He's not swinging and missing as 345 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: much as he did last year. So everything that we 346 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: saw in his rookie year that was a little bit 347 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: of a disappointment. All say, obviously it was a good 348 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: rookie year, but he'll be the first one to say 349 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: that it wasn't as good as it could have been. 350 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: He's gone out and he's fixed those things, or he's 351 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: improved and developed to start to make those adjustments, and 352 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: you're seeing it in his numbers. 353 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm seeing a guy who's just supremely confident compared 354 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: to last year, a guy who looked like he was 355 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: feeling his way through. You know, maybe if he was 356 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 2: down in the account O two or one two, he 357 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: kind of got the feeling like, you know, the battle 358 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 2: was already lost. But now it seems like he's battling back. 359 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 2: In a lot of those at bats, he'll get two strikes, 360 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: but he'll also work a full count and you're seeing 361 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: him turn around more walks, so you know, all the 362 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 2: numbers are up not just the batting average, the on 363 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 2: base percentage, all that stuff. So I think if we 364 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: just get him on base more, he's gonna just increase 365 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 2: his value because he's gonna keep stealing bases. He's gonna 366 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 2: score a lot of runs, you know, being in front 367 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 2: of Judge and Soto, you know, as if Judge ever hits. 368 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 2: But I'm loving what I'm seeing from from Volpee so far. 369 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,479 Speaker 2: But that brings me, you know, we got to kind 370 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 2: of go back and forth between the positive and the negative. 371 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 2: Here his his keystone combo mate, Gleba Torres. I don't 372 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: I would love to put up some fancy highlights for him, 373 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: but you know, through seventy seven at bats, he doesn't 374 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: have any He's hitting one ninety five with no home runs, 375 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: just two RBIs. We've seen him have longer slumps in 376 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 2: his career. You know, there was that one year we 377 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: hit nine home runs, and you know, twenty twenty wasn't 378 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 2: good to him. 379 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: He was out of shape. 380 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: But I'm confident he'll turn it around, just because I've 381 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: seen him for a long time. I know he's a 382 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: good hitter, but I'm not as confident that he'll turn 383 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: it around and not like spiral out of control as 384 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: I am with somebody like Aaron Judge, who you know 385 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 2: is just a MVP caliber player, So you know, is 386 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 2: is he basically at risk of losing some playing time 387 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: some of the guys we got coming back, DJ and 388 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: Birdie and so forth. 389 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been an unfortunate start for him because last year, 390 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: if you don't count Judge because of how much time 391 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,120 Speaker 1: he missed, Labor was the best and most consistent hitter 392 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: in Pinstripes over the course of the whole year. And 393 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: he took a lot of those concerns from twenty twenty 394 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: one in twenty twenty two where he didn't have any 395 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: power and didn't look like the phenom that was, you know, 396 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: a freshman and a sophomore before then, and a lot 397 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: of those concerns are back. You know, he isn't chasing 398 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 1: if you look at the metrics, and he's worked his 399 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: walks in there too, seeing a ton of pitches, and 400 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: that was one of the good things from when he 401 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: was in the leadoff spot before Volpi switched in. But 402 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: like you said, I mean, the highlights aren't there. The 403 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: metrics are even more discouraging than a lot of the 404 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: numbers that he already has and it's a contract year. 405 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you're starting to see the struggles and the offers, 406 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: and I think he's maybe even taking it with him, 407 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: not just to the next at bats, but also to 408 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: the field. To the field when we talk with him 409 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: after the game, you know, he'll say to us that 410 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: he's he's encouraged, he thinks he's seeing the ball well. 411 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: But he doesn't sound like the normal Glabor Torres who 412 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: can be a spunky player. He can he can have 413 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: that personality in the clubhouse, and he just seems down 414 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: at least. That's been my impression being around him on 415 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: some of those really you know, bad days where he 416 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: doesn't contribute even when his team wins. There have been 417 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: a couple plays where I don't think it was explicitly 418 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: his fault in the field, Like there was that one 419 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: where he threw it to third in Toronto and the 420 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: guy slid around Oswaldo's tag. He's probably being mindful of 421 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: the obstruction rule. I thought that was a heads up 422 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: play he could have got safe out at first. It 423 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: just didn't work out. But yeah, you know, analytically hasn't 424 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,479 Speaker 1: been the best second basement out there. I think that 425 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: the concerns over the base running, mishaps and the defense 426 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: have kind of gone away in recent years too. Maybe 427 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: they're starting to come back. But like you said, and 428 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: I'll close with the playing time situation, if DJ Lamayhew's 429 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: coming back, and I think John Birdie isn't too far 430 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: from a rehab assignment too, you're not going to take 431 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: Oswaldo out unless he continues to get colder and colder, 432 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: because he has cooled down just a little bit, but 433 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: he's been one of the best Yankees in terms of 434 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: driving runs, in stepping up in the big moments. You 435 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: can only push Glaber so far down in the lineup. 436 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: If he continues to be this much of a black 437 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: hole in there, then again, he's making too much money 438 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: to have him on the bench. He can't be a 439 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: bench player. So you may start to see DJ come back. 440 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: You ease him in, have him play a couple of 441 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: days a week at third, a couple at second, and 442 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: you ease off a little bit with Glaber. He got 443 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,360 Speaker 1: the day off today. But then you start to talk 444 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: about the quality of the bench, and if you're bringing 445 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: Jami Jones in there to get a start, you're not 446 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: going to get that kind of production. So it is 447 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: a it's not the best situation right now, and I 448 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: think that the Yankees do have faith that Glabor will 449 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: turn it around. You talk to Boone and he'll give 450 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: you the same answer that he does with Judge, that 451 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: he's not worried in the slightest, but there aren't as 452 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: many things to hold on to and think, Okay, now 453 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: he's starting to figure it out. It's just not in 454 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: there right now. 455 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 2: Right and you know, it being a contract year, and 456 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: you know the Yankees having some young infielders like Parraza 457 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: and now or but v Vas is presumably healing. You know, 458 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: I could see Labor tor as being someone they trade 459 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 2: at the deadline if they want to get some more pitching, 460 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: because right now the bullpen has been a little bit shaky. 461 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 2: Caleb Ferguson really struggling. I mean, he couldn't get my 462 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 2: Grammy out right now. I mean every time he comes 463 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: in there, I just sweat because I know it's coming. 464 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: You know, Lewisaga out for the season. You know, we 465 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 2: don't know what we're gonna get from f Ross or 466 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: Kinley when they come back. F Ross hasn't pitched in 467 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 2: a long time. Cainley has been kind of injury prone 468 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: the last couple of years, so I'm looking at potential 469 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 2: bullpen pieces. You know, Birdie out right now, what are 470 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 2: your thoughts on the pitching situation as we approach, you know, 471 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: the first month of the season closing out, We're starting 472 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: to look a little thin sure. 473 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: I mean, Ferguson was supposed to be the Wandi Peralta, right, 474 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: and you know, Victor Gonzalez hasn't, off the top of 475 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: my head, even worked as much. It doesn't seem like 476 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: he's been put in those average spots, so maybe they 477 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: don't trust him as much there. I think that the 478 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: hierarchy once Louisaga went down was Holmes in the back, 479 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: and Holmes has been great, But you talk about Nail Biers, 480 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: I mean he's worked himself in and out of trouble 481 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: quite a bit, which means he's kind of due for 482 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: spiraling out of control and blowing a game or two 483 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: at certain points. Then after that it was Hamilton, and 484 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: Hamilton had a bad night for the first time in 485 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: a while. Maybe other teams start to catch onto that 486 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: Slambio and his really good and unique stuff the jury 487 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: is still out on that because he's been really great 488 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 1: before then, and then it was Ferguson and Nick Birdie maybe, 489 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: but like you said, Bertie's out for a while. Gonzales 490 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: hasn't pitched in those spots, so it's no wonder they 491 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: go to Ferguson today and he ended up, you know, 492 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: taking the loss. He has quite a few losses to 493 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: start the year. I don't know if Glabor would be 494 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: the kind of person that would get you a bullpen arm, 495 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: just because that's what you said. He certainly hasn't increased 496 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: his value so far this season. But yeah, I can 497 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: totally envision this summer. Brian Cashman telling us, you know, 498 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: at the deadline, we had a couple internal acquisitions in 499 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: Frost coming back and Lou Trevino coming back, but the 500 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: loss of Michael King, the loss of Wanda Peralta, and 501 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: now the loss of Jonathan Lewisaga, you couldn't necessarily expect 502 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: him to last a full season. But they just don't 503 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: have that dynamic he's going to get you through this jam. 504 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: Other than Ian Hamilton and especially a multi inning arm. 505 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: I could totally see them putting Luise Heel out there 506 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: one scare Coal is back, and I think that that'll 507 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: happen before later in the summer and when the deadline 508 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: comes around, because he'll could maybe be that Lewisa goa 509 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: just in terms of you can't find too many guys 510 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: with more electric stuff, and if you shrink his workload 511 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 1: it may become even better and even more high octane 512 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: coming out of the pen. But if Nestor doesn't necessarily 513 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: continue to pitch, well, maybe he would be a guy 514 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: that you could put out there in a long man role. 515 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: The bullpen overall hasn't been getting the job done so far, 516 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: as much as maybe some of the numbers are better 517 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: than what the eye test would say. And also I 518 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: think some of my colleagues on the beat have written 519 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: about the fact that the swing and miss isn't there 520 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: in the bullpen. The strikeout rate isn't what we're used to. 521 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: They do bring the best out of a lot of 522 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: those scrap heap under the radar type arms, but when 523 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: you're relying on basically your whole bullpen as that and 524 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 1: then Clay Holmes, it can be a recipe for disasters. 525 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: So we'll see if they can settle in need more 526 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 1: length from your starting pitching, and that's that's important. 527 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: We got to talk about the starting pitching because they're 528 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: not getting deep enough into games. Man, I do think 529 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: that Stroman looks you know, we're seeing highlights from Stroman. 530 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: I think he's lived up to the hype so far. 531 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: He's done a nice job, nice little pickup. I think 532 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: Clark Schmidt is good when he's in there, but again, 533 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: he has turned into a pumpkin in the sixth inning 534 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: for two years. 535 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 3: Now take a Lott, Yeah, you. 536 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: Go into the sixth inning or into the third time through, 537 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: and Clark really hasn't taken that next step. What I 538 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: will say with him is that his strikeout rate is 539 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: up a bunch, he's not giving up as much home runs. 540 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: The stuff is totally there, and he has the potential 541 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: to take just a really significant step forward as now, 542 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: you know, getting into more of a veteran MLB pitcher. 543 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: You know, I think he debuted in twenty twenty. It's 544 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: been a while for him. Obviously, this is only year 545 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: two in the rotation. But he's got to prove that 546 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: he can pitch through the third time and into the 547 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: sixth inning. You can't, I know, in today's day, and age. 548 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: Not every starter is going to go that deep into games. 549 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: But if he continues to only go five or even 550 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: less than that on an off night, that's gonna that's 551 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: gonna really hurt the bullpen in the long run. And 552 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: we saw last year the bullpen was so good, but 553 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 1: at the very end they started to fall off, and 554 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: I think that was a result of just the workload 555 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 1: that they had throughout the whole year. And I'll mention 556 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: Stroman really really quick too. I think that he's been 557 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: a great fit. Wearing the retro t shirts and the hurtleneck, 558 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: seems like he really loves being here. And I think 559 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: we got that vibe even all the way back to 560 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: his introductory press conference over Zoom when he you know, 561 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: talked about how he squashed the beef with Brian Cashman 562 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: and this was where he grew up. It's a homecoming 563 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: for him. He's been great. I think he can be 564 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: a you know, a one bee once Cole comes back. 565 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: If he continues, and that sinker is is a money 566 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: pitch for him working off the rest of his stuff, 567 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: I think that he'll be good in big games down 568 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: the stretch. That's how he strikes me as someone that 569 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: they can rely on. 570 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: Before the season, we talked a little bit about Rodina 571 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 2: and how important it was for him to, you know, 572 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: step up this year. I think he's gone a lot 573 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 2: better this year. But again, it I feel like he 574 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: should be getting deeper into games too with his stuff. 575 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what it is. 576 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 2: He just doesn't get swings and misses. He gets a 577 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 2: lot of foul balls on that high fastball. Does he 578 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: need another pitch or is it just that he needs 579 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: to refine one of his existing pitches to get more 580 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 2: swings and misses. 581 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: Hey, I mean he's he's been working that cutter this 582 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: year and the change up to Off the top of 583 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: my head, I believe in his last start he had 584 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: a pretty balanced mix after the fastball on the slider. 585 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 1: In terms of he's not only a two pitch pitcher. 586 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: I think you could start to see his third and 587 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: fourth pitch a little more as time goes by. But yeah, 588 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, he's had an encouraging start to the year. 589 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 1: Right If the velocity was down, if he was just 590 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: getting shelled early in games, we would go back to 591 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: what happened last year and we would be talking about 592 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: how much of a bust he is and how bad 593 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: that contract is. We haven't been having those conversations so far. 594 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: He has really, you know, deflected a lot of those 595 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 1: that criticism from last year, and in part you got 596 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: to give him credit, right, he showed up to spring 597 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: training and looked a lot better, slimmed down, gotten a 598 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: better frame of mind, and he's been doing a pretty 599 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: solid job so far filling in at the top. But 600 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, all of them can go deeper into games, 601 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: all of them can get better in terms of putting 602 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: hitters away, and that that was the case with Rodon 603 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,200 Speaker 1: on his last start. I think there were a couple, 604 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, twenty thirty pitch innings. Same with Heel too, right, 605 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: I mean, he'll the command is an issue, the control 606 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: is an issue. He's walking a lot of guys, but 607 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: the strikeouts are there. So any of these five can 608 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: go out there and throw six seven innings on a 609 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: good night, but they can also not put guys away 610 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: against a mid to mediocre team and put the bullpen 611 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: in a tough spot. That's why before the season, I 612 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: think I mentioned to you rotation has a really high 613 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: ceiling but also a pretty low floor, and that was 614 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: at that point including Garrett col In there and we 615 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: obviously haven't seen him yet. 616 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, hopefully things do improve when we get Garrett 617 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: Cole back. 618 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: Luisia. 619 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: You know, I'm impressed by his swing and missability. I mean, 620 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: that fastball is legit, that's an ace fastball. I think 621 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 2: his slider's really good. I think's change ups really good. 622 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 2: If we can just he's like almost in a race 623 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: against time. 624 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 3: You know. 625 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: We see a lot of guys who come up with 626 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 2: great arms, and it isn't till they have a couple 627 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: of arm injuries or they get deep into their career 628 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: that they learn how to command their stuff. But by 629 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: then the fastball maybe isn't a hundred anymore. Maybe the 630 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 2: stuff just isn't a swing and miss. So he's in 631 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 2: a race to harness that elite level stuff, you know, 632 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: before he hurts himself or you know again, or you know, 633 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: gets too far into his career where the stuff starts 634 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: to diminish. So you know, I'm hopeful for him, but yeah, 635 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: need to commit, need to get that command going a 636 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: little bit better. Anything you want to promote before we 637 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: let you go and he articles or anything people should read. 638 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: No, I've got a couple things in the works, but 639 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: but they're not they're not out there yet. Had a 640 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: blast on the trip to to Cleveland and Toronto, and 641 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: I've got Milwaukee in a couple of days. But you know, hey, 642 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: at rubber game tomorrow, you got to take advantage of 643 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: that opportunity to win another series and take some momentum 644 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: into the series against the A's, which I think the 645 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: narrative around this team with their hot start, you know, 646 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: leading the division, one of the better records in the league, 647 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: if they don't blow the A's out of the Bronx 648 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: and some of the the you know, depth pieces on 649 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: the offense and the Stars too, if they don't start 650 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: to perform. I mean, this could either be a launching 651 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: pad for the offense for them to really take it 652 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: and go into the month of May and start to 653 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: hit better, or if you know, JP Sears shuts them 654 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: down or whoever else Oakland has, that that's gonna make 655 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: these conversations that we're having the analysis even more damning 656 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: because that's a team that you need to go and 657 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: win at least three, especially Ballpark. 658 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think just to come back full circle, if 659 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: Aaron Judge doesn't go off against the A's. That's might 660 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 2: that might be when I start to like worry. Okay, 661 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: maybe he's a little hurt or something, because the As 662 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to control Aaron Judge for a four 663 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 2: game series. Maybe some of the starters get to him, 664 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: but he should rake against the bullpen there because they 665 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: have very limited depth in terms of pitching. But Max 666 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 2: Goodnes and everybody appreciate you joining once again. Follow Max 667 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: on X Max T. Goodman, and we'll have Max back 668 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 2: on again in a few weeks, once you know, the 669 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: Yankees complete another homestand probably another road series, and then 670 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 2: we'll get him back on and talk about what's going on. 671 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Max. 672 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 1: Sounds like a plan, Derek, always a pressure. 673 00:31:47,640 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me appreciate Managa Petu