WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Still Here 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.360 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:18.239 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:22.400 screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:27.120 Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls, 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:35.320 and Nicky Spagnola and it's time for another edition of 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.600 mix Shots. And this is the very first offseason edition 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.920 of mix Shots for twenty twenty one. We have officially 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:47.120 turned the page into the new year. Bill Jones with 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:52.880 Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola inside the SWBC Mortgage Studios 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:58.120 at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. And Everson, 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:01.200 you got cowboy blue on what you got on there? 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:05.440 It's my favorite blue. Yesterday I had on my coach 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:10.680 McCarthy jacket from mister Mickey Spagnola. This one was from 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:15.080 the from Jerry Jones himself. You know, don't get jealous 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:23.120 bags friends. So I thought Micky was the only one 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.840 that Jerry gave things to. So somehow he stopped. He's 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:32.840 still pay it, Everson now now it's with Hail Unfortunately 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:40.360 for ever soon that's all he's getting paid. So Mickey, 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:45.160 how are things at the Star in Frisco? Well morning, 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:50.920 they're going through their exit the remaining exit interviews today. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:55.000 Mike McCarthy last night when he did his press conference, 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.200 UH said that they got through thirty two of them, 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.720 so he probably had thirty two at least thirty two 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.440 more to go, so they were continuing that today. We 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.639 heard from Layton vander Esh. We were supposed to hear 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:11.519 from Ceedee Lamb. I don't know that that took place yet. 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.840 And we heard from Jerry Jones this morning one more 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:19.360 time on his radio segment. And then it's just time 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.840 to move into the offseason, talk about that draft position, 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:28.800 talk about the upcoming opponents, and start reviewing this season 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.360 and put it to bed. We can also talk about 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.480 Joe Judge not a happy camper, by the way. That's 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.520 what I want to talk about. That it's causing a 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.400 big stir on both sides, right. I thought that was 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:49.440 pretty interesting. And former Cowboys assistant coach Anthony Lynn got 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:53.359 fired today with the Chargers, so a lot of wheels 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:57.440 turning into Garrett is being interviewed for Jason Garrett's being 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:04.120 interviewed for that Charger's job. I didn't see very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.640 And ever since I'm watching the NFL network and I 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.720 got breaking news Byron Jones had an interception against the 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:18.400 Bills Sunday. I'm sitting there watching. He had a toad 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.240 drag on the sideline. I guess the way he got credited. 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:27.400 He gets zero. He gets the problem for getting zero interceptions, right, 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.760 that was what last year? He's got your number all 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:36.520 years ago. He's he's all pro. He's getting one interception 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.800 and they'll probably put him in the Hall of Fame 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:40.320 just because of that one in the second So he 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:42.440 got paid all that money. Was that his first one 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:46.880 of the year? That is his only one of the year? 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.720 Is it early? Well, yes, maybe he just switched to 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.240 number twenty four. That's why he got the interception. He 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.920 thought he thought it was the number, like like the 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:59.840 Jordan in the shoes. No, no, it's not the number. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.840 See see he thought it was the number because he 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.080 saw a Woozier get an interception this year. So he said, oh, 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:13.000 it's twenty four. Wait, you've got sudden levels of twenty four. 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:17.000 Let's establish that right now. Okay before we go on. Okay, 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:21.080 that's twenty four, Okay, two thousand and there's pre two. 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.680 Twenty four is it's big difference, a big all right, 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.599 all let's start. Joe Judge tell it. Tell me what 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.280 you think about what Joe Judge said about Doug Peterson. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:31.920 I want to hear Mick Star tell me stuff, Mick, 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:34.800 What's what's going on with this man? No, he called 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:39.679 out Peterson for not upholding the integrity of the game 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:44.440 and not trying to win the game with the Eagles. Uh, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:48.920 not only pulling his quarterback when it's basically a three 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.479 point game and putting in a guy that really hadn't 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.320 played all year. But also I think they sat like 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.159 eight or nine guys. I think they listed him as injured. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.320 I don't know how injured they were. But he thought 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.680 he wasn't trying to uphold the integrity of the game. 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.920 And I've seen Michael Irvin come down on the other 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.159 side saying, old, quit complaining, you had sixteen games to 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.000 win enough games to win the division. Don't be depending 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.960 on somebody else to help you out in the last game. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.400 That guy's gonna take care of his own business. So 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.880 now he's Mike's right about that. I'll give him that. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.760 But you know, we all need to be beholding to 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.920 ourselves and to our organizations, and as far as I'm concerned, 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.200 you cannot justify what you did. And trust me, I'm 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.400 not a Giants fan. I tell people all the time 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:41.280 I played for the Giants, but I'm a I'm a 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:45.240 Giant fan of that particular team that I played on. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:47.880 I could care less about the Giants right now. But 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.440 to me just looking at it as a cowboy fan, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.240 I'm sorry, just a football fan or football purist, I 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:59.520 guess it's no way you can justify and he couldn't. 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.920 Doing the press conference, watching him try and justify Coach 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.440 Peterson try and justify that move, that was the most 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.559 uncomfortable thing I think I've seen in a long time. 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.240 It was worse than when my my my daughter was 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.000 trying to lie her way out of tearing up one 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:18.640 hundred dollar bill. You just can't lie your way out 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:22.000 of that. You're the only one that did it, So 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:27.080 whatever your reasoning is, you can't even make it sound good. 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.680 That was. It was a pitiful postgame press press conference. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.760 I hope she was only five years old with you know, 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.240 yeah she was. She was only five years old. And 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.480 guess who was with her? Ron Springs daughter was with her. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.800 I couldn't spake her. I wanted to spake it so 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.680 bad because not my kid. I didn't I didn't hear. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.440 I didn't hear Doug Peterson's press conference, so I didn't 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.360 hear exactly what he was saying. But I do see 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.760 Jalen hurt stats in the game, and he was just 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:57.320 seven out of twenty for seventy two yards with a 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.480 quarterback rating of twenty five point four. Now he was awful, 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.080 and and I thought of it when they pulled him. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.159 I said, yeah, I'd have pulled him sooner than that. 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.440 So the j the Jalen Hurts train slowed down greatly. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:16.960 I think all this talk about okay so so so. 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.040 Considering that, and Mickey you said that you thought they 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.200 probably should have pulled him earlier, then what's the beef about? 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.520 Doug Peterson? And I said yesterday it was obvious at 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:28.480 the in the final drive of the game, they weren't 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.280 trying to win the game. I mean the final play 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:34.320 of the game, Sunfeld looked like he was instructed to 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:36.760 throw the ball five yards forward and that is it, 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.280 you know, and not even try to win the game. 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.360 But what's what's everybody's beef about? Peterson. If Hurts was 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.960 playing that poorly, yeah, and I don't know that they 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.520 they mentioned Hurts was playing poorly. They just mentioned that 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:56.080 he sat, uh eight guys and that the other guy 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.560 put a quarterback well, and they had Carson Wentz and active. 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:06.160 By the way, yes, that was the problem. You could 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.720 have gone to wins, but he had to go to Sudfeld. 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:13.080 But you don't have a win snaps. No, you don't 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.680 have a wins and you only have a backup who 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:17.880 hadn't probably thrown a snap or whatever. I don't know 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:21.080 what the stats were or his career numbers are. The 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.800 point is you had no one else to put in. 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.640 That was a non factor. He was a non move 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.040 as far as I'm concerned. And you should not have 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.280 ever tried to go to a quarterback with that little 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:39.040 experience in the ballgame. And once again, the explanation was 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.679 not that Bill in SPACs. It was not about, uh, 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.160 what Hurch's playing badly. That was not his explanation post 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.000 a game. It was all about trying to get this 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.640 guy some playing time, trying to get other guys some 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:56.240 playing time. Shut up, They're not trying to get playing 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.120 time for people. The last half the last half of 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.400 a ball game. And by the way, the commentators, they 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:06.640 weren't really Yeah, the numbers were not good at all 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:10.000 for Hurts, but they weren't really targeting that as the 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.040 reason that they sat down. They didn't even try to 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.880 put They didn't even try to offer a reason a 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.800 matter of fact, that gave Hurts the benefit of the 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.280 doubts saying that you know, this is never really not 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:24.440 the time to take him out simply because you're only 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.640 three points down. You're only three points down with a 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.480 quarterback with no experience sitting on the bench. You don't 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:39.800 make that move. M very interesting. I agree that go ahead, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:41.840 go ahead, Mickey, I was gonna know, I was gonna 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:45.800 tell everything. I agree that that that it. I agree 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:47.640 with what Joe Judge says about it. I think they 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:50.360 ought to play it out. In fact, I think here 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:54.080 I thought ever since the NFL went to this, uh 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:58.040 having division games the final week of the season, I 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:02.160 understand why they do it. They an opportunity to have 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:06.200 if a division title is on the line, two teams 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.080 going up against each other. I don't like the fact 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.080 that they've got the schedule like this. I think the 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.960 division games need to be played before the last week 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.760 of the season, because too many times the division games 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.240 are the most important games that you play in a season, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:24.120 and there's too many times that teams are eliminated and 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.199 you're taking one of those important division games that you play, 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.280 one of the six that you played during a season, 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.080 and odds are that it's not gonna matter at all 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.800 with the outcome of the season when you schedule it 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.319 the last week of the regular season. That's the way 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:42.040 I look at these division games. Well, now, if you think, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.079 let me say this go ahead, I was gonna say 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:49.720 so if you have if you flip that a round 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:56.319 bill and you have these non divisional, non conference games 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.000 matchups at the end of the season, to me, that 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.280 just leads the door even why they're open for Let's 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.400 say a team in the AFC is going to play 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.280 the Cowboys. You know it's not going to improve their 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:11.600 position necessarily by playing an out of conference or out 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.080 of division game at the end of the season. Am 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.520 I am I? We all do that makes sense to you. 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:20.480 Here's here's what I think they should do. You know, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:25.600 there's only two games on a schedule that is different 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:29.480 than other teams in your division. I think one of 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.600 those games needs to be the last game of the season, 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.679 because that way you're having you're playing these basically the 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:41.000 same opponents for the first fifteen games outside of one week. 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:43.480 In fact, I would the way I would schedule it 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.959 is those two games that are different than and these 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.880 are these are conference games that are different from other 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.960 teams in your division. I'd schedule them one of them 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.080 the first week of the season and the other one 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.720 the last week of the season, and that way, the 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.920 middle fourteen games of your schedule, they're the exact same 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.520 teams you're playing other teams in your division, and that way, 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.439 your division, there's so many times that playoffs are decided 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:12.120 before the last week of the season, and that way 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:16.040 you're playing the same basically the same games, the same 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.520 opponents as other teams in your division. That's the way 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.679 I look at it, and I think I think it 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.320 regardless of whether you're playing a division rival or someone 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.240 outside your division. If the team is out of it 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.160 like Philadelphia was, it doesn't matter whether they're playing Washington 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.720 or the New England Patriots, they're going to treat that 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.800 game the same way. See, you know what I was wondering. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:43.040 I was wondering, and it was Michael Irvin and who 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.880 else was? It came to former cowboy came down on 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:50.600 it pretty Marcus Spears. I was wondering had the Cowboys 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:56.440 won when they thought the same thing, Oh, yes, right, 0:12:56.880 --> 0:13:00.440 because it would have been Philadelphia needs to win so 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.280 the Cowboys could win the NFC East. Oh what did 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:09.480 you do? You didn't play? It wouldn't have been so 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.000 much worse. As much as we talk about New York 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:16.200 City being the mecca of so many things, if the 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.040 Cowboys would have been in the same position as the 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.800 New York Giants, it would have gone to a totally 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:27.160 different and higher level. We would have we talked about 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:33.400 it yesterday. That would have been an investigation, an international investigation. 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.720 What the heck is going on? They would have looked 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:40.440 into Peterson's background, tried to see who his parents were, 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.160 to see if they had some type of communist background. 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.760 It would have been crazy, man. They would have gone 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:50.199 that deep. You think Jerry madelayed at the Cowboys. Jerry 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:51.920 would have made a call and say, hey, can you 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:56.839 find me one more win somewhere. They would have added 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.680 another game to the schedule. That's how bad it would 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:03.240 have been. I bet, I bet Sudfeld would have played 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.320 the whole game if the gift the calcul Probably, that's 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.480 what I believe. That's what obaie, no pretense, build, no pretel. 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.200 That's exactly right. But it's good having this little bit 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:21.040 of controversy here. As long as we're not involved, that's 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.280 what matters. Mickey was Jerry asked about it this morning 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:27.120 on his appearance on the thing. Yeah, and he was 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.600 I'm trying to find it. He was pretty non committal 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:39.920 on on it. Um. He sure he was happy that 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.120 they didn't have anything to do with it for once. 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.960 The only thing he said is that was sort of definitive. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:55.120 He says, we must and should have uh games uh 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:59.920 that have consequences to win at the end of the 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.840 a season. Uh. But but but he he can't regret that, 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:08.720 I know. And he said these are pro football that 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.480 doesn't uh well, yeah, he didn't really. He didn't really 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.000 have an opinion on it. I think he kind of 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:20.160 talked around it about the integrity. But you know, he 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:24.240 also he came up with some example about New England, 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.040 like if you if you had to win to keep 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:28.960 New England out, would you would you try to win. Well, 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:30.520 of course you would, right because you don't know what 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.280 New England in the playoffs. And he was talking about 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:40.120 with Tom Brady and that so um, but you know, 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.840 we can we make jokes about it and it turned 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:47.400 into a meme. But but the demand was great. You 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.320 play to win the game. I mean, that's just it. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.600 I don't know how you can play not to win. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:55.600 I don't know how to do that. I mean you 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.720 can get your butt kick, yeah, no doubt about it. 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.600 I was on a couple of teams that lost double digit, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.440 had double digit losses. I just don't know how to 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:08.240 play to lose, a play not to win. Yeah, you 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:10.080 can get your butt kicked, that's one thing. But to 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.920 just say okay, I'm not going to win, doesn't everyone 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.360 have to be in on that. You know, if I'm 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:19.960 out there busting my butt on defense and you got 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:24.520 a quarterback back there not trying to win the you know, 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:28.240 the domino effect to me is massive, you know, And 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.880 like I've always said that, especially if that goes on 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:35.360 for a number of games, that's if I'm a player, 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:40.200 that's gonna affect the way my contract negotiations may turn out. 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.760 In the future where you look at this game and 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.320 judge me on that game, Well, what if I need 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.120 you to get another stat to break a record or something. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:52.680 It's just it's an ugly, ugly thing. And and so 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:55.520 for if a coach is gonna go off on its 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.680 own and do that, that makes it even worse because 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:02.840 now you're you're jeopardized your entire staff, so to speak, 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.800 your entire player staff. Yeah, Everson, how do players approach 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:12.800 that situation? I have never had a conversation about not 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.400 about playing not to win or a playing to lose. 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:19.200 Bett has never come up in any conversation I've had 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:23.199 with any teammate period. I've only talked about this with 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.280 the media. I've never had a conversation about this with 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:30.680 a former player, a present a current player. I just 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:32.679 I don't even know how to talk about it, how 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:34.720 to even start talking about it. So what about what 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:39.880 about like Kansas City basically sitting their quarterback because they 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.000 had nothing to gain and they're not trying to win, 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:47.480 they're not trying to lose, right, But Pittsburgh sat Roethlisberger 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.760 and that's happened, And there's always been an argument on 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.760 that last game if you've got nothing to gain. Do 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.160 you set your players to preserve their health going into 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.440 the playoffs? And I always thought that was a difficult 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:03.960 one because say I got Mike game here and I say, okay, 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.600 you you you, and you you're sitting because I need you. 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.320 I don't want you to get injured. Well, this guy 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:14.080 over here goes, ha, what am I chop meat? You 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.960 don't mind if I get hurt. I gotta play because 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:23.040 I never I never understood the mentality. Well, the Pandura's box, 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:27.720 it starts right there. Like you mentioned Kansas City, they're 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.400 going to the playoffs, so winning or losing really doesn't matter, 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.959 but it matters to the other teams that need you 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:38.680 to win this game. So that's where the Pandura's box started. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:42.480 Right there. They're not taking the game, they're just preserving 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:48.280 because they're going on to play postseason. The Eagles have 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.600 no postseason, So who are you trying to protect for 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:57.480 an entire offseason? Trying to protect the player? You let 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.920 me get all this out at you. If that's throw, 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.199 we shouldn't even play the game because next year, you know, 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:06.040 Dak Prescott, we want to protect him for because he 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.080 got hurt the previous years. You start getting into too 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.320 much stuff when you deal with that, right and and 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.639 uh and so I wonder if it's in Peterson's mind 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:20.359 protecting Jalen Hurts for next year from a potential ACL 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:23.720 injury or something that could affect his availability in the 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:27.479 off season or leading into next year the same And 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:29.760 I don't. I don't agree with this. I'm just presenting 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.560 it as a devil's advocate. It's the same deal as 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.679 the in many ways, as the as the players opting 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.800 out of bowl games and stuff. I mean, they're protecting 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:44.000 their futures. And okay, how about a coach protecting the 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.040 quarterback that he thinks is going to be a starting 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:51.679 quarterback next year in a meaningless game That I do 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.040 not agree with? Well, Everson that the latter, I do 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:56.879 not agree with it. I just wanted to tell you, 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.280 since you're you're you're now, you know kind of in 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:04.359 the media here you're doing broadcasting. There's five GM jobs open, 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:09.119 so you might keep your eye on them. I can't 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:11.879 even get a dB coaching job locally, so what are 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:16.159 you talking. You can parlay mix shots into a GM job, 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:20.760 right right? Everybody else's door come right, out of the 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:27.880 SWBT mortgage studio right onto the field. 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So I go back to like the 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:20.120 nineteen eighties and nineties and pull up some old Cowboy 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.280 and Giants videos and look at all the plays that 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:26.480 you you made. Come to find out, you might see 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.240 some plays that you tried to forget about and they 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:31.760 kind of ring as the whole moment. But that referee 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:35.440 was in one of the games. Ben Ry has always 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:40.200 been so demonstrative. He tried to he talked about tripping 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:44.359 and instead of just kicking his leg out and you know, 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:48.560 demonstrate tripping, he actually put the leg behind him as 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:51.240 if he did one of those Tony fritz on side 0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.280 kick moves. And I'm like, why would he pick that, 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.000 you know, but he did it, and he was all 0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:59.360 you know, he put the body language into it. So 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:03.240 that was not an admiration by him. He had done 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:06.959 that so many times. I would imagine he's retired now, 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:09.920 he may even have passed on, but he was entertaining 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:13.800 even as he called penalties. Yeah, Ben, I believe it 0:24:13.880 --> 0:24:16.880 was Ben Dreife was the one giving him the business. 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:20.800 Good dude, right, Mickey. Mickey is pouring over his notes, 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:24.600 says he was listening and he was tuning me out. 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.200 That's what these doing bills. Yeah, what did you say? 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:33.760 Jones was on the radio? You know, the NFL was 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:36.840 better when officials had that kind of personality. Don't you 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:41.720 think they're pretty automated nowadays everybody's so politically correct. Yeah, 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:45.679 you can't. That's right, that's right. All right, So Mickey, 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:48.040 tell us tell me about Jerry this morning. I'm gonna 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:56.399 let you guys guess what the first question was Coach Peterson? Uh, no, 0:24:56.720 --> 0:25:01.920