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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola and it's time for another edition of
Speaker 1: mix Shots. And this is the very first offseason edition
Speaker 1: of mix Shots for twenty twenty one. We have officially
Speaker 1: turned the page into the new year. Bill Jones with
Speaker 1: Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola inside the SWBC Mortgage Studios
Speaker 1: at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. And Everson,
Speaker 1: you got cowboy blue on what you got on there?
Speaker 1: It's my favorite blue. Yesterday I had on my coach
Speaker 1: McCarthy jacket from mister Mickey Spagnola. This one was from
Speaker 1: the from Jerry Jones himself. You know, don't get jealous
Speaker 1: bags friends. So I thought Micky was the only one
Speaker 1: that Jerry gave things to. So somehow he stopped. He's
Speaker 1: still pay it, Everson now now it's with Hail Unfortunately
Speaker 1: for ever soon that's all he's getting paid. So Mickey,
Speaker 1: how are things at the Star in Frisco? Well morning,
Speaker 1: they're going through their exit the remaining exit interviews today.
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy last night when he did his press conference,
Speaker 1: UH said that they got through thirty two of them,
Speaker 1: so he probably had thirty two at least thirty two
Speaker 1: more to go, so they were continuing that today. We
Speaker 1: heard from Layton vander Esh. We were supposed to hear
Speaker 1: from Ceedee Lamb. I don't know that that took place yet.
Speaker 1: And we heard from Jerry Jones this morning one more
Speaker 1: time on his radio segment. And then it's just time
Speaker 1: to move into the offseason, talk about that draft position,
Speaker 1: talk about the upcoming opponents, and start reviewing this season
Speaker 1: and put it to bed. We can also talk about
Speaker 1: Joe Judge not a happy camper, by the way. That's
Speaker 1: what I want to talk about. That it's causing a
Speaker 1: big stir on both sides, right. I thought that was
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. And former Cowboys assistant coach Anthony Lynn got
Speaker 1: fired today with the Chargers, so a lot of wheels
Speaker 1: turning into Garrett is being interviewed for Jason Garrett's being
Speaker 1: interviewed for that Charger's job. I didn't see very good. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And ever since I'm watching the NFL network and I
Speaker 1: got breaking news Byron Jones had an interception against the
Speaker 1: Bills Sunday. I'm sitting there watching. He had a toad
Speaker 1: drag on the sideline. I guess the way he got credited.
Speaker 1: He gets zero. He gets the problem for getting zero interceptions, right,
Speaker 1: that was what last year? He's got your number all
Speaker 1: years ago. He's he's all pro. He's getting one interception
Speaker 1: and they'll probably put him in the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: just because of that one in the second So he
Speaker 1: got paid all that money. Was that his first one
Speaker 1: of the year? That is his only one of the year?
Speaker 1: Is it early? Well, yes, maybe he just switched to
Speaker 1: number twenty four. That's why he got the interception. He
Speaker 1: thought he thought it was the number, like like the
Speaker 1: Jordan in the shoes. No, no, it's not the number.
Speaker 1: See see he thought it was the number because he
Speaker 1: saw a Woozier get an interception this year. So he said, oh,
Speaker 1: it's twenty four. Wait, you've got sudden levels of twenty four.
Speaker 1: Let's establish that right now. Okay before we go on. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's twenty four, Okay, two thousand and there's pre two.
Speaker 1: Twenty four is it's big difference, a big all right,
Speaker 1: all let's start. Joe Judge tell it. Tell me what
Speaker 1: you think about what Joe Judge said about Doug Peterson.
Speaker 1: I want to hear Mick Star tell me stuff, Mick,
Speaker 1: What's what's going on with this man? No, he called
Speaker 1: out Peterson for not upholding the integrity of the game
Speaker 1: and not trying to win the game with the Eagles. Uh,
Speaker 1: not only pulling his quarterback when it's basically a three
Speaker 1: point game and putting in a guy that really hadn't
Speaker 1: played all year. But also I think they sat like
Speaker 1: eight or nine guys. I think they listed him as injured.
Speaker 1: I don't know how injured they were. But he thought
Speaker 1: he wasn't trying to uphold the integrity of the game.
Speaker 1: And I've seen Michael Irvin come down on the other
Speaker 1: side saying, old, quit complaining, you had sixteen games to
Speaker 1: win enough games to win the division. Don't be depending
Speaker 1: on somebody else to help you out in the last game.
Speaker 1: That guy's gonna take care of his own business. So
Speaker 1: now he's Mike's right about that. I'll give him that.
Speaker 1: But you know, we all need to be beholding to
Speaker 1: ourselves and to our organizations, and as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: you cannot justify what you did. And trust me, I'm
Speaker 1: not a Giants fan. I tell people all the time
Speaker 1: I played for the Giants, but I'm a I'm a
Speaker 1: Giant fan of that particular team that I played on.
Speaker 1: I could care less about the Giants right now. But
Speaker 1: to me just looking at it as a cowboy fan,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, just a football fan or football purist, I
Speaker 1: guess it's no way you can justify and he couldn't.
Speaker 1: Doing the press conference, watching him try and justify Coach
Speaker 1: Peterson try and justify that move, that was the most
Speaker 1: uncomfortable thing I think I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 1: It was worse than when my my my daughter was
Speaker 1: trying to lie her way out of tearing up one
Speaker 1: hundred dollar bill. You just can't lie your way out
Speaker 1: of that. You're the only one that did it, So
Speaker 1: whatever your reasoning is, you can't even make it sound good.
Speaker 1: That was. It was a pitiful postgame press press conference.
Speaker 1: I hope she was only five years old with you know,
Speaker 1: yeah she was. She was only five years old. And
Speaker 1: guess who was with her? Ron Springs daughter was with her.
Speaker 1: I couldn't spake her. I wanted to spake it so
Speaker 1: bad because not my kid. I didn't I didn't hear.
Speaker 1: I didn't hear Doug Peterson's press conference, so I didn't
Speaker 1: hear exactly what he was saying. But I do see
Speaker 1: Jalen hurt stats in the game, and he was just
Speaker 1: seven out of twenty for seventy two yards with a
Speaker 1: quarterback rating of twenty five point four. Now he was awful,
Speaker 1: and and I thought of it when they pulled him.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I'd have pulled him sooner than that.
Speaker 1: So the j the Jalen Hurts train slowed down greatly.
Speaker 1: I think all this talk about okay so so so.
Speaker 1: Considering that, and Mickey you said that you thought they
Speaker 1: probably should have pulled him earlier, then what's the beef about?
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson? And I said yesterday it was obvious at
Speaker 1: the in the final drive of the game, they weren't
Speaker 1: trying to win the game. I mean the final play
Speaker 1: of the game, Sunfeld looked like he was instructed to
Speaker 1: throw the ball five yards forward and that is it,
Speaker 1: you know, and not even try to win the game.
Speaker 1: But what's what's everybody's beef about? Peterson. If Hurts was
Speaker 1: playing that poorly, yeah, and I don't know that they
Speaker 1: they mentioned Hurts was playing poorly. They just mentioned that
Speaker 1: he sat, uh eight guys and that the other guy
Speaker 1: put a quarterback well, and they had Carson Wentz and active.
Speaker 1: By the way, yes, that was the problem. You could
Speaker 1: have gone to wins, but he had to go to Sudfeld.
Speaker 1: But you don't have a win snaps. No, you don't
Speaker 1: have a wins and you only have a backup who
Speaker 1: hadn't probably thrown a snap or whatever. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the stats were or his career numbers are. The
Speaker 1: point is you had no one else to put in.
Speaker 1: That was a non factor. He was a non move
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. And you should not have
Speaker 1: ever tried to go to a quarterback with that little
Speaker 1: experience in the ballgame. And once again, the explanation was
Speaker 1: not that Bill in SPACs. It was not about, uh,
Speaker 1: what Hurch's playing badly. That was not his explanation post
Speaker 1: a game. It was all about trying to get this
Speaker 1: guy some playing time, trying to get other guys some
Speaker 1: playing time. Shut up, They're not trying to get playing
Speaker 1: time for people. The last half the last half of
Speaker 1: a ball game. And by the way, the commentators, they
Speaker 1: weren't really Yeah, the numbers were not good at all
Speaker 1: for Hurts, but they weren't really targeting that as the
Speaker 1: reason that they sat down. They didn't even try to
Speaker 1: put They didn't even try to offer a reason a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, that gave Hurts the benefit of the
Speaker 1: doubts saying that you know, this is never really not
Speaker 1: the time to take him out simply because you're only
Speaker 1: three points down. You're only three points down with a
Speaker 1: quarterback with no experience sitting on the bench. You don't
Speaker 1: make that move. M very interesting. I agree that go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Mickey, I was gonna know, I was gonna
Speaker 1: tell everything. I agree that that that it. I agree
Speaker 1: with what Joe Judge says about it. I think they
Speaker 1: ought to play it out. In fact, I think here
Speaker 1: I thought ever since the NFL went to this, uh
Speaker 1: having division games the final week of the season, I
Speaker 1: understand why they do it. They an opportunity to have
Speaker 1: if a division title is on the line, two teams
Speaker 1: going up against each other. I don't like the fact
Speaker 1: that they've got the schedule like this. I think the
Speaker 1: division games need to be played before the last week
Speaker 1: of the season, because too many times the division games
Speaker 1: are the most important games that you play in a season,
Speaker 1: and there's too many times that teams are eliminated and
Speaker 1: you're taking one of those important division games that you play,
Speaker 1: one of the six that you played during a season,
Speaker 1: and odds are that it's not gonna matter at all
Speaker 1: with the outcome of the season when you schedule it
Speaker 1: the last week of the regular season. That's the way
Speaker 1: I look at these division games. Well, now, if you think,
Speaker 1: let me say this go ahead, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: so if you have if you flip that a round
Speaker 1: bill and you have these non divisional, non conference games
Speaker 1: matchups at the end of the season, to me, that
Speaker 1: just leads the door even why they're open for Let's
Speaker 1: say a team in the AFC is going to play
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. You know it's not going to improve their
Speaker 1: position necessarily by playing an out of conference or out
Speaker 1: of division game at the end of the season. Am
Speaker 1: I am I? We all do that makes sense to you.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I think they should do. You know,
Speaker 1: there's only two games on a schedule that is different
Speaker 1: than other teams in your division. I think one of
Speaker 1: those games needs to be the last game of the season,
Speaker 1: because that way you're having you're playing these basically the
Speaker 1: same opponents for the first fifteen games outside of one week.
Speaker 1: In fact, I would the way I would schedule it
Speaker 1: is those two games that are different than and these
Speaker 1: are these are conference games that are different from other
Speaker 1: teams in your division. I'd schedule them one of them
Speaker 1: the first week of the season and the other one
Speaker 1: the last week of the season, and that way, the
Speaker 1: middle fourteen games of your schedule, they're the exact same
Speaker 1: teams you're playing other teams in your division, and that way,
Speaker 1: your division, there's so many times that playoffs are decided
Speaker 1: before the last week of the season, and that way
Speaker 1: you're playing the same basically the same games, the same
Speaker 1: opponents as other teams in your division. That's the way
Speaker 1: I look at it, and I think I think it
Speaker 1: regardless of whether you're playing a division rival or someone
Speaker 1: outside your division. If the team is out of it
Speaker 1: like Philadelphia was, it doesn't matter whether they're playing Washington
Speaker 1: or the New England Patriots, they're going to treat that
Speaker 1: game the same way. See, you know what I was wondering.
Speaker 1: I was wondering, and it was Michael Irvin and who
Speaker 1: else was? It came to former cowboy came down on
Speaker 1: it pretty Marcus Spears. I was wondering had the Cowboys
Speaker 1: won when they thought the same thing, Oh, yes, right,
Speaker 1: because it would have been Philadelphia needs to win so
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could win the NFC East. Oh what did
Speaker 1: you do? You didn't play? It wouldn't have been so
Speaker 1: much worse. As much as we talk about New York
Speaker 1: City being the mecca of so many things, if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys would have been in the same position as the
Speaker 1: New York Giants, it would have gone to a totally
Speaker 1: different and higher level. We would have we talked about
Speaker 1: it yesterday. That would have been an investigation, an international investigation.
Speaker 1: What the heck is going on? They would have looked
Speaker 1: into Peterson's background, tried to see who his parents were,
Speaker 1: to see if they had some type of communist background.
Speaker 1: It would have been crazy, man. They would have gone
Speaker 1: that deep. You think Jerry madelayed at the Cowboys. Jerry
Speaker 1: would have made a call and say, hey, can you
Speaker 1: find me one more win somewhere. They would have added
Speaker 1: another game to the schedule. That's how bad it would
Speaker 1: have been. I bet, I bet Sudfeld would have played
Speaker 1: the whole game if the gift the calcul Probably, that's
Speaker 1: what I believe. That's what obaie, no pretense, build, no pretel.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. But it's good having this little bit
Speaker 1: of controversy here. As long as we're not involved, that's
Speaker 1: what matters. Mickey was Jerry asked about it this morning
Speaker 1: on his appearance on the thing. Yeah, and he was
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find it. He was pretty non committal
Speaker 1: on on it. Um. He sure he was happy that
Speaker 1: they didn't have anything to do with it for once.
Speaker 1: The only thing he said is that was sort of definitive.
Speaker 1: He says, we must and should have uh games uh
Speaker 1: that have consequences to win at the end of the
Speaker 1: a season. Uh. But but but he he can't regret that,
Speaker 1: I know. And he said these are pro football that
Speaker 1: doesn't uh well, yeah, he didn't really. He didn't really
Speaker 1: have an opinion on it. I think he kind of
Speaker 1: talked around it about the integrity. But you know, he
Speaker 1: also he came up with some example about New England,
Speaker 1: like if you if you had to win to keep
Speaker 1: New England out, would you would you try to win. Well,
Speaker 1: of course you would, right because you don't know what
Speaker 1: New England in the playoffs. And he was talking about
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady and that so um, but you know,
Speaker 1: we can we make jokes about it and it turned
Speaker 1: into a meme. But but the demand was great. You
Speaker 1: play to win the game. I mean, that's just it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can play not to win.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to do that. I mean you
Speaker 1: can get your butt kick, yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: I was on a couple of teams that lost double digit,
Speaker 1: had double digit losses. I just don't know how to
Speaker 1: play to lose, a play not to win. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can get your butt kicked, that's one thing. But to
Speaker 1: just say okay, I'm not going to win, doesn't everyone
Speaker 1: have to be in on that. You know, if I'm
Speaker 1: out there busting my butt on defense and you got
Speaker 1: a quarterback back there not trying to win the you know,
Speaker 1: the domino effect to me is massive, you know, And
Speaker 1: like I've always said that, especially if that goes on
Speaker 1: for a number of games, that's if I'm a player,
Speaker 1: that's gonna affect the way my contract negotiations may turn out.
Speaker 1: In the future where you look at this game and
Speaker 1: judge me on that game, Well, what if I need
Speaker 1: you to get another stat to break a record or something.
Speaker 1: It's just it's an ugly, ugly thing. And and so
Speaker 1: for if a coach is gonna go off on its
Speaker 1: own and do that, that makes it even worse because
Speaker 1: now you're you're jeopardized your entire staff, so to speak,
Speaker 1: your entire player staff. Yeah, Everson, how do players approach
Speaker 1: that situation? I have never had a conversation about not
Speaker 1: about playing not to win or a playing to lose.
Speaker 1: Bett has never come up in any conversation I've had
Speaker 1: with any teammate period. I've only talked about this with
Speaker 1: the media. I've never had a conversation about this with
Speaker 1: a former player, a present a current player. I just
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to talk about it, how
Speaker 1: to even start talking about it. So what about what
Speaker 1: about like Kansas City basically sitting their quarterback because they
Speaker 1: had nothing to gain and they're not trying to win,
Speaker 1: they're not trying to lose, right, But Pittsburgh sat Roethlisberger
Speaker 1: and that's happened, And there's always been an argument on
Speaker 1: that last game if you've got nothing to gain. Do
Speaker 1: you set your players to preserve their health going into
Speaker 1: the playoffs? And I always thought that was a difficult
Speaker 1: one because say I got Mike game here and I say, okay,
Speaker 1: you you you, and you you're sitting because I need you.
Speaker 1: I don't want you to get injured. Well, this guy
Speaker 1: over here goes, ha, what am I chop meat? You
Speaker 1: don't mind if I get hurt. I gotta play because
Speaker 1: I never I never understood the mentality. Well, the Pandura's box,
Speaker 1: it starts right there. Like you mentioned Kansas City, they're
Speaker 1: going to the playoffs, so winning or losing really doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: but it matters to the other teams that need you
Speaker 1: to win this game. So that's where the Pandura's box started.
Speaker 1: Right there. They're not taking the game, they're just preserving
Speaker 1: because they're going on to play postseason. The Eagles have
Speaker 1: no postseason, So who are you trying to protect for
Speaker 1: an entire offseason? Trying to protect the player? You let
Speaker 1: me get all this out at you. If that's throw,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't even play the game because next year, you know,
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott, we want to protect him for because he
Speaker 1: got hurt the previous years. You start getting into too
Speaker 1: much stuff when you deal with that, right and and
Speaker 1: uh and so I wonder if it's in Peterson's mind
Speaker 1: protecting Jalen Hurts for next year from a potential ACL
Speaker 1: injury or something that could affect his availability in the
Speaker 1: off season or leading into next year the same And
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't agree with this. I'm just presenting
Speaker 1: it as a devil's advocate. It's the same deal as
Speaker 1: the in many ways, as the as the players opting
Speaker 1: out of bowl games and stuff. I mean, they're protecting
Speaker 1: their futures. And okay, how about a coach protecting the
Speaker 1: quarterback that he thinks is going to be a starting
Speaker 1: quarterback next year in a meaningless game That I do
Speaker 1: not agree with? Well, Everson that the latter, I do
Speaker 1: not agree with it. I just wanted to tell you,
Speaker 1: since you're you're you're now, you know kind of in
Speaker 1: the media here you're doing broadcasting. There's five GM jobs open,
Speaker 1: so you might keep your eye on them. I can't
Speaker 1: even get a dB coaching job locally, so what are
Speaker 1: you talking. You can parlay mix shots into a GM job,
Speaker 1: right right? Everybody else's door come right, out of the
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Speaker 1: a personalized mosaic Mickey, have you done that yet? I
Speaker 1: have not. I couldn't figure out which referee signal I
Speaker 1: wanted to use, giving that's the one you want to use,
Speaker 1: right right? Hey. I saw him the other day on
Speaker 1: a throwback YouTube video. Sometimes I set up him feel
Speaker 1: side for myself. So I go back to like the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties and nineties and pull up some old Cowboy
Speaker 1: and Giants videos and look at all the plays that
Speaker 1: you you made. Come to find out, you might see
Speaker 1: some plays that you tried to forget about and they
Speaker 1: kind of ring as the whole moment. But that referee
Speaker 1: was in one of the games. Ben Ry has always
Speaker 1: been so demonstrative. He tried to he talked about tripping
Speaker 1: and instead of just kicking his leg out and you know,
Speaker 1: demonstrate tripping, he actually put the leg behind him as
Speaker 1: if he did one of those Tony fritz on side
Speaker 1: kick moves. And I'm like, why would he pick that,
Speaker 1: you know, but he did it, and he was all
Speaker 1: you know, he put the body language into it. So
Speaker 1: that was not an admiration by him. He had done
Speaker 1: that so many times. I would imagine he's retired now,
Speaker 1: he may even have passed on, but he was entertaining
Speaker 1: even as he called penalties. Yeah, Ben, I believe it
Speaker 1: was Ben Dreife was the one giving him the business.
Speaker 1: Good dude, right, Mickey. Mickey is pouring over his notes,
Speaker 1: says he was listening and he was tuning me out.
Speaker 1: That's what these doing bills. Yeah, what did you say?
Speaker 1: Jones was on the radio? You know, the NFL was
Speaker 1: better when officials had that kind of personality. Don't you
Speaker 1: think they're pretty automated nowadays everybody's so politically correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't. That's right, that's right. All right, So Mickey,
Speaker 1: tell us tell me about Jerry this morning. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you guys guess what the first question was Coach Peterson? Uh, no,
Speaker 1: that was that was about Prescott ten minutes in. No,
Speaker 1: that was about fifteen minutes in. Mike Nolan, that was
Speaker 1: about nine minutes in his neck. Yeah, the plane now
Speaker 1: known as the catch, Yes, that was a question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're off the hook. We got a new catch now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now there's a new catch. You're off the hook. I
Speaker 1: guess we can name it the challenge, right right. So
Speaker 1: on that note, Jerry said, my initial reaction was it
Speaker 1: was very difficult to get those things overturned, and then
Speaker 1: he talked about the consequences and how it turned out.
Speaker 1: He said, now, if you had a do over again,
Speaker 1: you could have easily burned that, meaning the time out.
Speaker 1: Uh and and tried to make it more difficult on
Speaker 1: them on on fourth down. And then he was asked,
Speaker 1: did do you think you got a chance to see
Speaker 1: it on a video board? He didn't really answer it.
Speaker 1: All he said is we were scrambling like hell to communicate.
Speaker 1: It was quick, he said. Mike knew it was close
Speaker 1: and realized it was tight, but didn't see enough to
Speaker 1: go ahead and challenge it. He goes, So he goes,
Speaker 1: that's the price you have to pay. But he talked
Speaker 1: about when you're on the road, you know, the visiting
Speaker 1: team is not obligated to put that up on the board.
Speaker 1: And so he wasn't quite sure how quickly the video
Speaker 1: got to the coaches in the box right, and Mickey
Speaker 1: the reason why he wasn't sure what was being shown
Speaker 1: in the stadium is because he's in one of those
Speaker 1: suites and so he's watching the Network TV broadcast and
Speaker 1: I got watching the stadium video board, which is what
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy's having to watch down on the field, and
Speaker 1: I guarantee you the Giants are not putting the shots
Speaker 1: on the board that the opposing coach needs to see
Speaker 1: to challenge a play, you know. And here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing. What happens sometimes on the road
Speaker 1: in stadiums that even if you have the TV up
Speaker 1: and you're receiving the game, sometimes it's delayed. The delay
Speaker 1: it's it's not it's not real time. And I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of delayed a little bit in the Cowboys
Speaker 1: press box. I think not on the board, but the
Speaker 1: TV copy is delayed. And there's a couple of different
Speaker 1: channels they can put it on. One of them is
Speaker 1: more real time, and there's another one which is through
Speaker 1: cable or whatever that is or direct TV that has
Speaker 1: a delay on it. Yeah, and that's the coaches booth.
Speaker 1: All of this, all of this technology, all of this technology,
Speaker 1: we have, all of this technology we have. You're gonna
Speaker 1: tell me, we can't have a universal process on how
Speaker 1: the videos are going to come through, what you're gonna see,
Speaker 1: how it's gonna be done, And you have to work
Speaker 1: within that paradigm as far as hurrying up. If you
Speaker 1: have to offensively to try and hide the you know,
Speaker 1: the question called question play. You could do all of that,
Speaker 1: but it's got to be a universal process. If we
Speaker 1: have too much technology to where oh man, we couldn't
Speaker 1: have access to it. You couldn't get access to it.
Speaker 1: But you might have access to me in the showers somewhere,
Speaker 1: but you can't get access to a replay on the video.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It's it's a way to make this happen,
Speaker 1: whether you're on the road or not. Exactly. It has
Speaker 1: to be a universal process through the NFL when it
Speaker 1: comes to this type of thing. The only obligation the
Speaker 1: home team has is if the play is under a review,
Speaker 1: they are supposed to show what the officials looking at.
Speaker 1: That's the only obligation they have. So if it's a
Speaker 1: if it's a questionable call and it doesn't get challenged,
Speaker 1: you know what, we don't think we need to show see,
Speaker 1: we don't neither. No, that's not part of football. No,
Speaker 1: here's the YadA, YadA YadA. There's no YadA, YadA YadA
Speaker 1: in this. That means to be a firm process and
Speaker 1: a fair process. I've got their firm I've got one.
Speaker 1: The nothing different depending on what stadium you're in or whatever.
Speaker 1: I got the firm fair process on it. Now. I
Speaker 1: didn't know what zoom was until March. Now everybody knows
Speaker 1: what zoom is. I use it right here in my
Speaker 1: office for my television broadcast because there's a delay on
Speaker 1: my cable and so when I'm narrating highlights, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't narrate highlights and look at my home TV.
Speaker 1: But so what the TV station does is they've got it.
Speaker 1: I'm on a zoom with the TV station where it
Speaker 1: is basically in real time. There might be a half
Speaker 1: second delay where they zoom me the broadcast from the
Speaker 1: TV station and it comes right to me right there.
Speaker 1: And so all they have to do the NFL has
Speaker 1: to do is through Zoom, WebEx whatever format they want
Speaker 1: to use on it is for each coach's box in
Speaker 1: the league, they have the network TV broadcast zoomed to
Speaker 1: that coach's box where from the NFL office with real
Speaker 1: time or from the network wherever it has to be
Speaker 1: to where in real time the coaches in the booth
Speaker 1: have the same access to high to replace that what
Speaker 1: people at home have and and you're not dependent on
Speaker 1: the home team giving you the feed or anything like that.
Speaker 1: You're in charge of it yourself. You get you set
Speaker 1: up the zoom feed where you can see it for yourself.
Speaker 1: That's all you got it. And a good example of
Speaker 1: that is what we're doing right now, because I've got
Speaker 1: the live feed and you guys are two seconds behind me.
Speaker 1: And that's why talk over each other, right and see
Speaker 1: this is not a reaction of well because it only
Speaker 1: happened to the Cowboys. Now you guys want to make
Speaker 1: all these changes. I've always thought there was a Kouki
Speaker 1: relationship between video versus you know what, the other teams
Speaker 1: see what stadium you're in and all that kind of crap.
Speaker 1: You know, that's old school football. You know what, we
Speaker 1: can find out, what kind of loopholes we can you know,
Speaker 1: break into in regards to the process. That all needs
Speaker 1: to be eliminated. Now, Man, nobody's worried about or what
Speaker 1: we got to wear long cleach now because the Raiders
Speaker 1: went the field or all that little craziness. Man, get
Speaker 1: that mess out of the way. Let's just play some
Speaker 1: football and stop trying to be tricksters. So let's just
Speaker 1: be athletes, sort of like finding Alvin Kamara for having
Speaker 1: a red shoe and a green shoe for Christmas. Seriously, really,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, they find yeah, absolutely okay. The second question
Speaker 1: was the two point conversion. Should they have gone for it?
Speaker 1: And I thought, it's too early in the game. It's
Speaker 1: right at the beginning of the fourth quarter, right, And
Speaker 1: Jerry's comment was I'm good with that that they didn't
Speaker 1: do it, and he goes, plus, he goes, we don't
Speaker 1: do so well in the red zone. Nothing like brutal
Speaker 1: honesty the press. And then it was next about the
Speaker 1: season and he said, number one, we fell short of
Speaker 1: what we thought we could accomplish. And he said, I
Speaker 1: think we underestimated what the impact of not being with
Speaker 1: the team in the offense, I mean in the offseason was.
Speaker 1: And he said, in specially on defense. You know, we
Speaker 1: were trying and he's said this before, we're trying to
Speaker 1: implement these new techniques, a new scheme, and he goes,
Speaker 1: and we didn't have an opportunity to, you know, do
Speaker 1: more than zoom and walk throughs on the field, and
Speaker 1: he said, and we underestimated the impact. He said, we
Speaker 1: probably should have stayed with the overall philosophy. The one
Speaker 1: we had and he said, that's on me, that's the GM,
Speaker 1: and that's the second time he's kind of said that,
Speaker 1: And so he thought that they should have put emphasis
Speaker 1: on familiarity, not try to change so much stuff because
Speaker 1: it took so long to try to get everything changed.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Let me throw in something I was listening
Speaker 1: to on Monday morning. I listened to Bill Belichick's end
Speaker 1: of season press conference, and they asked him about the
Speaker 1: whole offsea and this is you know, and obviously he's
Speaker 1: been there for twenty years, and so it wasn't a
Speaker 1: new coaching staff, but they do have new players that
Speaker 1: come in, yeah, every year. And he went on and
Speaker 1: on talking about the very same thing that you're talking about, Mickey,
Speaker 1: and what Jerry was talking about, the whole WebEx and
Speaker 1: the virtual offseason and everything, and how the players were
Speaker 1: not getting as far as the complex things that they
Speaker 1: were trying to teach the players in the off season
Speaker 1: leading up to it. Their retention which just was not
Speaker 1: there for new players, and they didn't know that until
Speaker 1: they get on the field, and sometimes you don't know
Speaker 1: that even until you get on the field in a game.
Speaker 1: And of course they even had a situation. And the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did too, where they had to go virtual at
Speaker 1: some point during the season and they players were not
Speaker 1: on the same page at all. And I think a
Speaker 1: lot of what the Cowboys were doing defensively you can
Speaker 1: attribute to the trying to learn this offense and a
Speaker 1: virtual capacity even though you're starting a week earlier in April,
Speaker 1: and you're taking it throughout the off season. As coaches,
Speaker 1: unless you are or hands on and can be on
Speaker 1: the field and demonstrating and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: you don't know what they're grasping. And especially when you're
Speaker 1: just talking on a video conference with twenty different guys
Speaker 1: or however many it might be that that you have
Speaker 1: in your position group during the off season. And uh,
Speaker 1: and so I think that that is very real. But
Speaker 1: all teams went through that this year. And he pointed,
Speaker 1: and he pointed that out. He went on to say, Uh,
Speaker 1: he said that many teams had serious problems and things
Speaker 1: that were related to COVID. Uh, you know, but they're
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, he said, So people got the job
Speaker 1: done with COVID. We got to wear that crown. They
Speaker 1: did and we didn't. Meaning they got the job done,
Speaker 1: that is, But let me let me throw him one
Speaker 1: more thing on that the one thing though, with a
Speaker 1: new coaching staff, and you remember making Bill Parcels, and
Speaker 1: of course ever since you would know this from Parcels
Speaker 1: that you know. He talked a lot in his press
Speaker 1: conferences about teaching players, and he talked about how different
Speaker 1: people learn in different ways. There are visual learners. There
Speaker 1: are others where they can comprehend what you're telling them
Speaker 1: just by word of mouth. But some people you have
Speaker 1: to get out there and actually demonstrate it. With a
Speaker 1: new coaching staff that has totally new players, they don't
Speaker 1: know their players well enough to know, Okay, is this
Speaker 1: a visual learner over here? Or is this a guy
Speaker 1: that can get it if I just write him a note?
Speaker 1: Whatever you know? And so there is where a new
Speaker 1: coaching staff is at a disadvantage because they don't know
Speaker 1: their players and how they learn. So now you know
Speaker 1: what teachers went through trying to teach virtually to lashroom.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine you got a twelve year old and
Speaker 1: I've had teachers tell me this, right that they're trying
Speaker 1: to teach and they're looking on the screen and there's
Speaker 1: two kids sleeping over there, right, And there's no parent
Speaker 1: there to administer things, and it's like, how do I
Speaker 1: wake that person up? I can't go shake them, or
Speaker 1: like they used to do when we were out in
Speaker 1: elementary school, either throw the e racer at you, or
Speaker 1: one teacher had that stick, that pointing stick that he
Speaker 1: would throw it like a spirit at somebody. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the yard stick or going banging on the desk and
Speaker 1: just shocked the hell out of somebody. It get fired
Speaker 1: today unfortunately, Oh my god. Okay. Also, he was asked
Speaker 1: out after this season not having DAC did that give
Speaker 1: him more leverage and negotiations and Jerry said, I don't
Speaker 1: know how you could have any more leverage than he
Speaker 1: already has. He basically said, he's the he's the picture
Speaker 1: postcard of legend of leverage. He goes and it's substantiated
Speaker 1: by but he also said, but he also said, but
Speaker 1: that's substantiated. But what we offered him today, meaning this year,
Speaker 1: that they've given him what they thought was a fair
Speaker 1: thing because of his leverage, and they wanted more, and
Speaker 1: then they made the mistake of asking, well, well, what's
Speaker 1: the difference between years four and five? And they got
Speaker 1: a lecturer on the cap right, And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you buy a car and you can pay it off
Speaker 1: in three years and pay more, or you can pay
Speaker 1: it off for six years and pay less. And they
Speaker 1: got an economics listen too much? How many people fell
Speaker 1: asleep doing that one? Hey, but you're talking about the
Speaker 1: kids and the and the virtual learning. That's just how
Speaker 1: bad it can get. I remember on Twitter they have
Speaker 1: one moment where one of the kids passed gas while
Speaker 1: the teacher was trying to teas all that, so you
Speaker 1: could just imagine all the distractions that grown ups have.
Speaker 1: These are grown young men who are trying to learn
Speaker 1: a new system with the distractions that might have been
Speaker 1: going on. But as you said, you know the person
Speaker 1: that came out the best. Yeah, it had to be
Speaker 1: luck of the draw in regards to what you had
Speaker 1: to deal with. But as you had those issues, then
Speaker 1: your expertise and how you dealt with people and dealt
Speaker 1: with crises during that season, that says a lot about
Speaker 1: you as a coaching staff. We had the worst we
Speaker 1: can't say the worst luck. We had some of the
Speaker 1: worst luck in regards to injuries. As far as any
Speaker 1: team around the NFL could. We could put ours at
Speaker 1: the top. Forget the COVID stuff. It was just the
Speaker 1: injuries that we had to deal with that just were,
Speaker 1: you know, ridiculous for us. So we just didn't deal
Speaker 1: with that. Well, those teams that were blessed enough, not
Speaker 1: good enough, but blessed enough to where they have fewer injuries,
Speaker 1: especially on the offensive line, those were the ones that
Speaker 1: were more consistent throughout the season. Well, you know what,
Speaker 1: and and and it's funny you mentioned that because when
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones did his UH segment yesterday and they were
Speaker 1: talking about the need for a quarterback, and Stephen said,
Speaker 1: Jarreny and I were looking at who's who was who
Speaker 1: was in last night meeting the playoffs, and he said,
Speaker 1: and it was their starting quarterbacks having most of the season.
Speaker 1: So if you look at the playoff teams, here's some
Speaker 1: of the starting quarterbacks, Goff Rogers, Wilson, Brady, Rivers, Jackson, Mahomes, Mayfield, Roethlisberger, Tannehill,
Speaker 1: Josh Allen. Oh, sorry, Alex Smith, but if you look
Speaker 1: at those guys, the majority of those teams had those
Speaker 1: quarterbacks the entire season. And I left out Mayfield. I
Speaker 1: think the majority of them had those I did, okay, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, some of them might have missed a game
Speaker 1: or two. I don't know, Breeze missed two or three games.
Speaker 1: But boy, all that talk about, well, they're not going
Speaker 1: to rush him back because Tayson Hill's playing so well.
Speaker 1: The minute Breeze was healthy, he was back on the field.
Speaker 1: So first of all, that was Drew brees decision. So
Speaker 1: that was the whole He took that decision out of
Speaker 1: anyone else's I'm playing, but I thought it was it
Speaker 1: was a good point. And the other thing Bill on
Speaker 1: the injuries. It's one thing to have injuries spread out
Speaker 1: over the team. It's another thing to have injuries to
Speaker 1: offensive line like the Cowboys have. Because you know what,
Speaker 1: this league doesn't have enough quality offensive lightman to start with.
Speaker 1: That's why those those those spring leagues fail because they
Speaker 1: don't have enough offensive lightman to protect the skill players
Speaker 1: for them to have a good game. And when you're
Speaker 1: missing three guys who could be Pro bowlers, because I
Speaker 1: think Lall Collins was on his way to be a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowler, how do you compensate for that? And not
Speaker 1: only that, but then you lose the guy that was
Speaker 1: the backup to those tackles. You lost him. So now
Speaker 1: you're down to the backup, to the backup that matters.
Speaker 1: And I know they don't want to make excuses, and
Speaker 1: that's fine, I get it. But when you look at
Speaker 1: those things and it's like, wow, what are the cowboys
Speaker 1: gotta do? They gotta blow this up and start over. No,
Speaker 1: they gotta get these gas. If they could have laid
Speaker 1: hands on these guys, it would have fixed their problems.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. So we always talk about,
Speaker 1: I know me defense being the star warth of any team.
Speaker 1: To me, the COVID has shown that the offensive line
Speaker 1: might be the most important unit on any squad. And
Speaker 1: I never would have said that before this year. And
Speaker 1: if you think about it, if you had that defense,
Speaker 1: you can survive not playing well offensively. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you gotta win a game twenty to seventeen. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: gotta win a game seventeen to twelve. And so you're
Speaker 1: struggling offensively. But if your defense steps up and is
Speaker 1: not ranked twenty third and thirty first against the run,
Speaker 1: you know, the last I think I looked, that's the
Speaker 1: lowest they've been ranked on defense since twenty twelve, when
Speaker 1: they were thirty second. And I think it had to
Speaker 1: go back to two thousand to find them ranked thirty
Speaker 1: first in run defense. So that tells you how bad
Speaker 1: they were defensively. And it doesn't help when you strike out,
Speaker 1: whether by injury or by lack of motivation or lack
Speaker 1: of play, when you strike out on Gerald McCoy, Don
Speaker 1: Terry Poe, Everson Griffins, ll ly, I mean and even
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a long list where these veteran
Speaker 1: guys who are supposed to be coming in and help
Speaker 1: the transition as much as anything, where you don't have
Speaker 1: to play the younger guys. Uh, and you don't get
Speaker 1: anything out of any of those guys really. Uh. That
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Speaker 1: nine pm. One other one other note. You know those
Speaker 1: quarterbacks I mentioned that are in the playoffs. I looked
Speaker 1: at the leading passers and that goes by their rating, right,
Speaker 1: So okay, eight of the top eleven rated quarterbacks for
Speaker 1: this season are in the playoffs, and ten of the
Speaker 1: top fifteen are in the old ones not in the
Speaker 1: top fifteen, Roethlisberger, goff uh Smith and true Biscuits. Yeah, quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: which three of the top eleven did not make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson was second, Cousins didn't make it, and carr
Speaker 1: And and Herbert and the top fifteen. Yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: the top fifteen. Yeah, okay, all right, all right. What
Speaker 1: about Mike Nolan. What's gonna happen with Mike Nolan? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Uh, you know that m DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Lawrence did his conference call yesterday and he was asked
Speaker 1: about the defense and asked about Nolan and uh, you
Speaker 1: know kind of and they asked it very generally to him,
Speaker 1: but that he knew what they were asking. And his
Speaker 1: answer was, we went through some tough battles at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the sea. Not me personally with coach, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying in general, as a defense, we went
Speaker 1: through tough battles. When you're playing with young guys on defense,
Speaker 1: you have to take into consideration that some things that
Speaker 1: are easy for me won't be easy for the next person.
Speaker 1: I respect Mike as a man because he looked himself
Speaker 1: in the mirror and he changed some things to make
Speaker 1: us play faster than helped us play better. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was later in the season, but we started to
Speaker 1: see improvements, and I think it really shine light on
Speaker 1: the top of players, on the type of players we are.
Speaker 1: So he kind of generally suggested that, yeah, there might
Speaker 1: have been some disagreements with what they were being asked
Speaker 1: to do or how they were being asked to do it.
Speaker 1: Early in the season. Did anyone ask to Marcus if
Speaker 1: they run a three four or four three defense? They
Speaker 1: did not, And I and you know what, And I
Speaker 1: still can't tell when they had five guys on the
Speaker 1: line if it was a three to four or if
Speaker 1: it was a four to three with one of the
Speaker 1: defensive ends playing strong side linebacker standing up on the edge.
Speaker 1: And that's what it looked like to me, because I
Speaker 1: saw Laurence arm Song this last game dropping in the
Speaker 1: coverage and made a play. Did he absolutely did? But
Speaker 1: I also saw Xavier Woods having to play linebacker in
Speaker 1: the nickel against two tight ends and he got the
Speaker 1: ever eleven daylights knocked out of him by an offensive
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Why did Randy Gregory only play twenty snaps?
Speaker 1: That's a very good question, because the question was asked
Speaker 1: last week that oh, he wasn't playing that many snaps.
Speaker 1: Now he's playing a lot of snap and then he
Speaker 1: goes back to twenty snaps, right, and he and I
Speaker 1: went back. I was I went back and the coaches
Speaker 1: film wasn't loaded yet on NFL dot com whatever, and
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't have a look at coaches film. But
Speaker 1: I went back and last night and looked at the
Speaker 1: first quarter, and it looked like Gregory got a decent
Speaker 1: number of snaps early in the game. I was wondering
Speaker 1: if anything may have happened to him that or just
Speaker 1: because whatever whatever their substitution pattern was, did for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: he didn't get more snaps later in the game. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. Maybe it was because the Giants had a
Speaker 1: lead and they weren't then they were going with h
Speaker 1: more two tight ends. Uh, you know they used two
Speaker 1: tight ends a lot in the game. Um, even three
Speaker 1: tight ends, right, three tight ends, So tight ends. If
Speaker 1: you count up that the snaps of the tight ends
Speaker 1: for the Giants in that game, they uh, there were
Speaker 1: fifty eight offensives snaps and ninety six tight ends snaps,
Speaker 1: so they were you know, pushing it to almost where
Speaker 1: there were two tight ends all the time. In fact,
Speaker 1: there were just twenty snaps difference between the two tight
Speaker 1: ends and three wide receiver formations. And you remember, and
Speaker 1: you remember over the last few years, how Garrett used
Speaker 1: to get criticized because he ran too many two tight
Speaker 1: ends and he ran right over the cowboys with two
Speaker 1: tight ends. Oh the ends they run and they know
Speaker 1: the cowboys are gonna run. Why do they do that?
Speaker 1: Let's spread them out. Well, they ran three tight ends
Speaker 1: and ran right over the cowboys. How do they think
Speaker 1: they were able to run more two tight ends? Now?
Speaker 1: I just had to ask that, what did you say?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? What was that? How's it feeling think Jason Garrett?
Speaker 1: I mean, we I really haven't heard him brought up.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, he's gotta be as much
Speaker 1: as he's upset with Peterson. I'm sure he is. He
Speaker 1: won't say it. He's gotta be sitting back like, you
Speaker 1: know what, they can kiss my butt. He's gotta be
Speaker 1: thinking that right now. Because we was so happy to
Speaker 1: get rid of him. Here we go and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, all of a sudden comes down to Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett and the cow versus the Cowboys. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: not even talking about the fact that he came out
Speaker 1: victorious and basically stuck it to us. He stuck it
Speaker 1: to us. So what do you think his stock is
Speaker 1: as a head coaching candidate. He's being interviewed by the Chargers,
Speaker 1: and I saw on Twitter a lot of snarky comments about, oh,
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's getting, you know, at the thirty first ranked
Speaker 1: offense in the league this year with the with the Giants,
Speaker 1: and he's getting interviews for head coaching jobs, and they
Speaker 1: act as if he didn't do anything here in Dallas
Speaker 1: the same. If he's gonna get to me, if he's
Speaker 1: gonna get any no the riety or any type of consideration,
Speaker 1: it would be because of course what he did what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Because to me, if you're in the NFC East,
Speaker 1: you're six and ten, your your quarterback, I mean, your
Speaker 1: team ranking is as bad as it was thirty first.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's gonna be beating this door down
Speaker 1: well because of this, not because of this past season,
Speaker 1: but it would have to be because of what he
Speaker 1: did with the Cowboys, and maybe they weren't able to
Speaker 1: go after him at that time because they were already
Speaker 1: dealing with another coaches seeing how that was going to
Speaker 1: work out. But yeah, it would be based on what
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett did before he got to New York, but
Speaker 1: would not. All he had a chance to do was
Speaker 1: just stick it to the Cowboys. That's it. He just
Speaker 1: stuck it to the Cowboys and then he can move on.
Speaker 1: But if you look objectively at what the Giants had
Speaker 1: on offense, and they lose se Quon Barkley earlier in
Speaker 1: the year, they had Nate Soldier who opted out their
Speaker 1: left tackle at the beginning of the year, so they
Speaker 1: had to play their rookie first round pick at left tackle,
Speaker 1: and they had to start Cam Fleming at right tackle
Speaker 1: the entire year. There's if we look at it objectively,
Speaker 1: they didn't have much to work with even to begin with.
Speaker 1: I mean, Kas McCarthy should be Coach of the Year exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean it's the same for a lot of teams.
Speaker 1: And there's a reason, there's a reason Doug Peterson is
Speaker 1: probably on the hot seat in Philadelphia beyond what he
Speaker 1: did the other day because and and the reasons are
Speaker 1: because when you look at what the Eagles had and
Speaker 1: their the injuries on their offensive line. You know, back
Speaker 1: when we were looking at when the Steelers came to town,
Speaker 1: and you look at the Steelers and that was halfway
Speaker 1: through the season, ninth or tenth game of the year,
Speaker 1: and you looked at their injuries and they had lost nobody,
Speaker 1: and you wonder, well there was you didn't have to
Speaker 1: wonder why they're unbeaten. I mean, they had one injury,
Speaker 1: their middle linebacker was the only injury of the year,
Speaker 1: and they were able to trade for for one right
Speaker 1: before the deadline when he went down. Uh, And so
Speaker 1: it's it's just so huge, uh, staying healthy in this league.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not We're talking about the defense and
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan, and you know, I'm thinking, of course, I
Speaker 1: always think of Jalen Smith and our linebackers and how
Speaker 1: they played in this system. And I know we're talking
Speaker 1: differently from three to four four three versus the flex defense,
Speaker 1: which is what I grew up on and actually played under.
Speaker 1: Does anybody remember, even when we were getting stomped, how
Speaker 1: many tackles Eugene Lockhart had those two years. He set
Speaker 1: a record in eighty nine because no one else was
Speaker 1: tackling and yet he was still making tackles. He didn't
Speaker 1: use that excuse of having probably the worst defensive line.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't the aging all from all pros that
Speaker 1: we had, then you had. But they were bringing guys
Speaker 1: in that I mean, they were bringing guys in that
Speaker 1: had just run a good forty time like three days ago.
Speaker 1: So okay, let's put this guy in at defensive linement,
Speaker 1: and Spags was there. He saw that crap. You have
Speaker 1: to you have to really take your head off to
Speaker 1: a guy that got over two hundred tackles two years
Speaker 1: in the roots bags under such horrible conditions. I think
Speaker 1: we were three and thirteen and eighty eight times last year,
Speaker 1: and we were one in fifteen. Of course in eighty
Speaker 1: nine I used to come into the huddler and look
Speaker 1: at Eugene Lockhart and it's almost as if during the
Speaker 1: game his pad started to wear down. That's just how
Speaker 1: many tackles he was making. Two hundred plus. He has
Speaker 1: a ring, he's got, he's got he should have more
Speaker 1: than one ring, because he had over two hundred tackles
Speaker 1: two years in the row. If I'm not mistaken, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad Bill's looking that up for me, but whatever
Speaker 1: number he comes up with, it's going to be amazing.
Speaker 1: And see, that's the kind of stubbornness that a linebacker had.
Speaker 1: All good linebackers that I've known were extremely stubborn, like
Speaker 1: I don't care what the odds are, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: in here. I'm gonna raise hell today. And that was
Speaker 1: always Lockhart's deal. He always used to say, you better
Speaker 1: buckle up your chin strap. And he said that a
Speaker 1: little bit more provocatively than what I can say on
Speaker 1: the TV on the air. And so that attitude I
Speaker 1: don't see from our linebackers, even with Vanderesh and Jalen. Now,
Speaker 1: of course Sean Lee has that mentality. He just his
Speaker 1: body just can't hold up. And he wasn't nearly as
Speaker 1: big as Eugene was. But when you start talking about
Speaker 1: determination at the linebacker position, that's the kind of thing
Speaker 1: that I'm kind of looking for. I mean, I played
Speaker 1: with with Lockhart. I played not to complay Lockhart to
Speaker 1: LT But then you're talking about guys that have the
Speaker 1: same mentality, not the same talent, but the same mentality.
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of mentality I think is missing
Speaker 1: for Mike Nolan. So I'm not blaming that on Mike Nolan.
Speaker 1: I think he needs to instill that in his linebackers.
Speaker 1: And Lockhart, Uh you know, Pro Football Reference does not
Speaker 1: have tackles. Uh back going back to nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: they weren't keeping track of tackles like they do now,
Speaker 1: lock Laws, but the Cowboys did. And yeah, Lockhart was
Speaker 1: he said, a club record with two hundred twenty two
Speaker 1: tackles in nineteen eighty nine. And those were the days, right,
Speaker 1: he had to make them. Yeah, he was the only
Speaker 1: wasn't making them. Those were the days one one hundred
Speaker 1: fifty four solo tackles. Guys come in one hundred fifty
Speaker 1: record one hunt four and I think I think I
Speaker 1: think Sean Lee's probably second, or at least second. I
Speaker 1: can believe that, so I can definitely believe. So those
Speaker 1: were the days the revolving door. Right, guys would work
Speaker 1: out on Tuesday, practice on whe Day, start on Sunday,
Speaker 1: get cut on Monday, cut on Monday, and they was
Speaker 1: just repeated over and over, and you named the position,
Speaker 1: what took place? And so what did Jimmy Johnson do
Speaker 1: with Eugene Lockhart traded him? He traded him to the
Speaker 1: Patriots exchange an exchange for the first overall draft pick
Speaker 1: of the nineteen ninety one draft, Russell Maryland. He was
Speaker 1: traded along with Ron Francis, linebacker David Howard, a nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one first round pick number eleven overall, Pat Harlowe,
Speaker 1: who was involved in the Herschel Walker trade, and a
Speaker 1: ninety one second round pick, which was Jerome Henderson. But
Speaker 1: they had so many picks that it was easy to
Speaker 1: do that because they had already, uh, they had already
Speaker 1: Chelford Minnesota, and they knew they couldn't afford Yeah, David
Speaker 1: Howard was, Yeah, I'm glad you're brought up Eugene Lockhart
Speaker 1: mean Gene the hitting machine. Hitting machine. I think he
Speaker 1: gave himself that Murray did. I'm sure he did. Yes,
Speaker 1: here's one of my too. All right, Mickey, you got
Speaker 1: a closing thought. Um, I'll be interested to see once
Speaker 1: they do their evaluations, uh, not only of the team,
Speaker 1: but when they do them on the coaching staff also, Uh,
Speaker 1: to see what comes out, because I think the thing
Speaker 1: you have to remember a boy putting a staff together,
Speaker 1: you don't get caught. Carte blaunched treatment right to just
Speaker 1: pick who you want, they got to be available. So
Speaker 1: with six coaches now having lost their jobs, Anthony Lynn,
Speaker 1: Doug Moroney, Gas, Dan Quinn, Bill O'Brien and Matt Um
Speaker 1: what was the last one? I wrote, Patricia, there's gonna
Speaker 1: be there's gonna be a lot of there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of these staffs. There're gonna be a lot
Speaker 1: of staffs out there, you know, assistant coaches looking for jobs.
Speaker 1: So be interesting to see when you have that big
Speaker 1: of a pool, if you go, all right, let me see,
Speaker 1: is this better than they look at those coaching staffs
Speaker 1: and connect the dots, right, See if look at those
Speaker 1: coaching staffs and see if there's connections to McCarthy and
Speaker 1: that's what that's what he did, and that's how he
Speaker 1: kind of put this staff together. There was all connections.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's got better connections out there, So be interesting
Speaker 1: to see going forward. Yea, all right, that does it
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