1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: the Bengals Booths Podcast. Uh. I want to build you 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: up brick by brick edition as I discussed the Bengals 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: offseason moves with one of my favorite NFL reporters at 5 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: d D King Kabwala from the NFL Network. And then 6 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: we're less than a month away from the NFL Draft 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: and I'll check in with Land Zerline, a draft analyst 8 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: for NFL Network who has written more than four hundred 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: profiles of this year's prospects for NFL dot Com. The 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by Ultimate Bengals. 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I've been 18 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: on an oatmeal for breakfast kick lately, usually topped with bananas, blueberries, 19 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: sliced almonds and some brown sugar, And it occurs to 20 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: me that I don't use brown sugar for anything else. 21 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: My wife tells me it's a common ingredient in baking, 22 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: so maybe I've been enjoying it without knowing it. But 23 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: for me, brown sugar is like a Lugie in baseball, 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: a left handed, one out guy. Baseball curbed the use 25 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: of Lugi's when it adopted the three batter minimum for 26 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: leaf pitchers a few years ago. But as long as 27 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: there's oatmeal, there's a place in my heart and gut 28 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: for brown sugar. Now, let's get to this week's guests. 29 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: If you watch NFL Network, you're familiar with Add Kin Kabwala, 30 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: who does an outstanding job of covering the league in 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: general and the four teams in the AFC North in particular. 32 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: I caught up with add this week to discuss the 33 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: Bengals offseason moves and why she describes last year's Super 34 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: Bowl team as infectiously fun. Add what do you think 35 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: of the Bengals offseason moves in free agency, particularly the 36 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: addition of the three offensive line tremendous? Tremendous because we 37 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: knew that no matter what Zach Taylor said about giving 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: his offensive line credit, and it is valid. Of course, 39 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: you have two thousand yard receivers, You've got a third 40 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: receiver who almost has a thousand yards, You've got a 41 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: thousand yard rusher. Yes, the offensive line was doing a job, 42 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: but clearly that was the upgrade that was necessary, and 43 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: to get three starters in there and to not change 44 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: the way that you do business. Remember, the Bengals are 45 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: one of the few teams that doesn't like to guarantee 46 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: money beyond the first year of a deal, and they 47 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: didn't have to to get three great players who are 48 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: going to step in, who are going to start, who 49 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: have all of the leadership attributes that you want, who 50 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: have long hist is of being great teammates, which is, 51 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, Dan has an incredibly important piece of what 52 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: the magic of this pass Bengals team was was having 53 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: that chemistry, I mean tremendous all around. What am I 54 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: says to say that's negative? Nothing negative required. Did you 55 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: view improving the offensive line, fixing the offensive line, whatever 56 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: term you want to use, as kind of a litmus 57 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: test for the Bengals to show that they were committed 58 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: to do whatever it takes. I think that we saw 59 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: a year ago that they were I think we've seen 60 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: over the past few years the way that they have 61 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: approached free agency, the successes that they've had in free agency, 62 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: and their willingness to pay in free agency have all 63 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 1: indicated that this is a team that recognizes you can't 64 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: keep doing business the same exact way that you always 65 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: have to some degree beyond the way that you write contracts. 66 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: And then I think that the success of last year 67 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: was so intoxicating, so infectious. You saw the way that 68 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: city was so galvanized by the way that this team played. 69 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: How do you not want more of that? And you 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: recognize you can't sit on your laurels and think you're 71 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: going to repeat. That's just not the way the National 72 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: Football League works. That's with the way that anything works. 73 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: So it wasn't surprising to me at all that the 74 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: Bengals and Duke Tobin went out there and were indeed aggressive. 75 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: What was maybe a little surprising is how successful they 76 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: were without having to be grossly splashy. You know, there 77 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: was no obsequious moves here. It was just sort of 78 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: like a methodical approach to go and get what you 79 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: want in a very very reasonable way. We're chatting with 80 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: a dd King Kawala from the NFL Network. You just 81 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: used the term infectious, and you tweeted after the Super 82 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: Bowl that this team was infectiously fun. What was it 83 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: about this team that made you feel that way. I 84 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: think it was the energy. I think a lot of 85 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: it is the youth, quite frankly, you know, and it's funny. Dan. 86 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: I'll just say that this is conversation I had with 87 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: Zach Taylor just last week at the Cincinnati Pro Day, 88 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: that these guys are kind of too young to get 89 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: big heads, you know, Jamar Chase, t Higgins. They're out 90 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: there and then having a good time. They're not worried 91 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: about being divas at this moment. I do think that 92 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 1: both Jamar Chase and t Higgins are very very strong, 93 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: good young men with good support systems, and I don't 94 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: foresee big heads coming in the future. So let me 95 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: at least say that. But I've done this for a 96 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: long time now, more than a dozen years. I have 97 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: covered the National Football League. I've been around incredibly successful teams. 98 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: I've been around not so successful teams. I've been around 99 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: teams that really enjoyed each other. And the thing about 100 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: this Bengals team was you genuinely felt that they enjoyed 101 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: coming to work, and they enjoyed coming to work with 102 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: each other. And as somebody who's spent the last twelve 103 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: years loving going to work, I get it. You see 104 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: it right in, you know, when someone is not going 105 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: through the motions, when someone is not simply connected collecting 106 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: a paycheck, but someone likes being around their colleagues. And 107 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: that's exactly what that was. So I think the energy, 108 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: the youthfulness, there's always something special when there are no expectations, 109 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: and I think that's the big question, you know, And 110 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: we saw this with the Cleveland Browns two years ago. 111 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: The Cleveland Browns in a COVID year, with a new 112 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: head coach in Kevin Stefanski, a new offense, a new defense, everything, 113 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: there really weren't many expectations for them, despite the talent 114 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: on their roster, simply because of how the previous year 115 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: had gone and because you know, they were the Cleveland Browns. 116 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: And so there's a freeness to the way that you 117 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: approach every week when nobody expects much of you. And 118 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: then we saw what happened last year with the Browns 119 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: when much was indeed expected. So now let's see what 120 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: happens with the Bengals when clearly a lot is expected, 121 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: and how do you follow up the season like last 122 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: year in a playoff run like last year without expectation. 123 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: It's interesting that you said that because I say to 124 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: people all the time that rooting for a highly successful 125 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: team is great under any circumstances, but when it's a 126 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: total surprise, there's nothing better. That's the best it gets 127 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: as a sports fan. When you expect your team to 128 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: be here and it winds up being way up there, right, 129 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: that's as good as it gets. And that's what it is, 130 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: because it's a it's a magical new experience. When you 131 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: ask about being infectious, I think there is a piece. 132 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: You know, you look at guys like Tyler Boyd and 133 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: Jesse Bates and Joe Mixon who put in the time 134 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: and they've been there and they have I hate to 135 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: call it suffered, but suffered. You know, they've been through 136 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: these terrible losses. They've been the laughing stock, they've been 137 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: kind of the easy win on other teams schedule, and 138 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: so for them, there's a great appreciation to every moment 139 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: that's magical and special as opposed to taking it for granted. 140 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: And when you're in a team that wins all the time, 141 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: when you're in a team that expects to be in 142 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: the super Bowl every year, then maybe it's just not 143 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: the same. I'd like to find out, But well, you 144 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: can get back to me. Maybe you can let me 145 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: know on that one, no question about it. We're chatting 146 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: with a D D King Kabwala from the NFL Network. 147 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: How much do you tribute that Bengals spirit, the desire 148 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: to go to work every day to Joe Burrow? Oh 149 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: my gosh, I think I'm reminded of standing in the 150 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: tunnel the bowels of the stadiums in Kansas City, in 151 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: the bowls of the stadium in Kansas City, right after 152 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: the AFC title game, and you know, verybody had been 153 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: smoking cigars, and Brian Callahan, the offensive coordinator, walks out, 154 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: and just what a tremendous guy he and I just 155 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: ended up standing there talking for a good fifteen twenty 156 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: minutes before he got on the bus. And Joe Barrow 157 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: walked out at one moment and he just looked at 158 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: me and he said, he is the cause of everything, 159 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: and it's not just the way he plays, it's his approach. 160 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: This is what they said about Tom Brady for years. 161 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: When your best player is your hardest worker, is your 162 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: most committed, focused guy, that's only a good thing for 163 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: a locker room. And so I think that Joe Burrow 164 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: is the player that makes everybody better. I think Joe 165 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: Barrow not only in the way that he approaches his job, 166 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: but what he's able to do on the field. He 167 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: gets the best out of everyone. He is that smart, 168 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: he is that driven. He does indeed have that chip 169 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: on his shoulder, and I mean it's everything. I think 170 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: it's everything. And it's interesting too, Dan, because right now 171 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: in the city of Pittsburgh, you have Mike Tomlin kind 172 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: of saying, even in this day and age, I think 173 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: I can win without a top flight, upper tier quarterback. 174 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: I think that I can win with a dominant defense 175 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: and a great run game and a quarterback who does enough. 176 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: But then you've got a whole rest of the league, 177 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 1: which we've seen in this crazy free agency and this 178 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: whole quarterback carousel, you have a lot of people saying, no, 179 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: you're not going to win unless you have that elite, 180 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: upper tier quarterback. And that's why we see all these 181 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: teams kind of mortgaging their futures, let's call it, and 182 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: trading away all these draft picks to go get that 183 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: top flight guy. And so it'll be interesting to see 184 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 1: how that plays out. And what's the truth. You know, 185 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: we heard Eric da Costa the Ravens GM just at 186 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: the Combine a few weeks ago. Daniel were there. Eric 187 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: DaCosta said, I don't think that you're going to see 188 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: another team like the Ravens in two thousand, when you 189 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: won on the backs of a dominant defense and an 190 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: okay quarterback, no offense. Trent Dilfer. Trent Dilfer's got the ring. 191 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: He doesn't care what anybody says. I don't think you 192 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: comended that I said that, but I mean, let's be honest. 193 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: Trent Dilfer is not you know anyway, I'm gonna just 194 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: zip it before I have been that. Anybody moving on. Well, 195 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin did go eight and eight with Duck Hodges 196 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: as his primary quarterback a couple of years ago, so 197 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: I guess he can win. The question is can you 198 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: win it all? I suspect the Steelers will be in 199 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: the mix to at least possibly break five hundred with 200 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: Mitchell Trubisky as their quarterback. But I'm not sure many 201 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: people think that they're going to bring back a seven 202 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: super Bowl ring. But you never know. With the Steelers, 203 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: that's the thing. And it's such an interesting question, Dan, 204 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: I have this. I have a friend in Cleveland, Ken Carmen, 205 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: who has has me on his radio show very regularly, 206 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: and about a year ago I posited this to him 207 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: and to his listeners. Do you want would you rather 208 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: that your team is in it every single year that 209 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: by the time you get to week seventeen, weeks eighteen, 210 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: your team is still alive? Or would you sacrifice a 211 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: few horrible, awful, irrelevant years just to get to that 212 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: promised land? You know? Are you the Eagles and you 213 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: win a super Bowl and then you're kind of irrelevant 214 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: for a period of time. Or you're the Bengals and 215 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: you've suffered and you've suffered, but you get to go 216 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: to the super Bowl and then who knows what happens 217 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: the Steelers. Let's that Duck Hodges year or two and 218 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: nineteen Ben Roethlisberger gets hurt Week two, it's Mason Rudolph 219 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: and Duck Hodges, Dug Duck Hodges, who couldn't make a 220 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: single roster in the spring. When a thousand players are 221 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: on the NFL rosters, Duck Hodges almost gets them into 222 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: the playoffs. It goes down to the last week of 223 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 1: the season. And that's what Mike Tomlin teams are. Mike 224 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: Tomlin teams haven't won a playoff game and I don't know, 225 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: five six years, they haven't been back to the Super 226 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: Bowl in ten a dozen years. You know, they haven't 227 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: been an elite team in the sense of being playing 228 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: in February in a long time. But they're always a 229 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: part of the conversation in December. Is that what you want? 230 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: Do you want a team that always competes? Or are 231 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: you okay if your team is really crappy for a 232 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: few years, but hey, you got to go to the 233 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: super Bowl. I guess it would be the length of 234 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: the crappy period. If it's two or three years of 235 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: crappy football for the chance to win a Super Bowl, 236 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: I think probably most people would take that. Who do 237 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: you think's winning the off season in the AFC North? 238 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: This is so funny because I you know, the older 239 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: you get, the more you kind of rely on these 240 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: cliches so you get cynical and so like I love 241 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: in the spring this say, it's football in shorts. Like, 242 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: don't ask me who looks good at OTAs, Please don't 243 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: ask me who looks good at Rickey Minicamp. It's football 244 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: in shorts. So similarly, who's winning the off season is? 245 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a paper champion. I love that 246 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: the Bengals really had only one major area of need 247 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: and they addressed it, and they addressed it so well. 248 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: I still sort of have a question about Jesse Bates. 249 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: I'd like to see you speaking to members of the 250 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: Bengals organization. Nobody seems to think that it is a 251 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: non negotiable deal breaker if Jesse Bates has to play 252 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: on the tag. At least what I've been told is 253 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: that they have heard nothing from Bates or his camp 254 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: that he wouldn't play on the tag. But I think 255 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: it would be nice to lock him up. I think 256 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: everybody always feels good to feel that there's a commitment 257 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: to them, and you just get more out of somebody 258 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: in that way. So I'd like to see that piece 259 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: of business done. The Browns, Oh boy, let's come back 260 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: to the Browns. The Steelers. I really like this quarterback pickup. 261 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: We knew that the Steelers weren't going to trade a 262 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: ton of draft picks. We knew they weren't going to 263 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: be in some crazy sweepstakes right now. The Steelers do 264 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: need a starting strong safety. They would like to lock 265 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: up Fitzpatrick. They're in the process of that. The Steelers 266 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: needed to upgrade their offensive line. They did. You'd still 267 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: like to see who else the Steelers could bring in 268 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: at receiver perhaps, but it's a well built roster, you know, 269 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: and it's a little bit older on defense, especially up front. 270 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: So that's a situation where I expect these players to 271 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: play a certain way. But again, what happens at the 272 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: age of thirty four, I don't know. So Okay, that's 273 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: the Steelers. I think so far, it's been a good offseason. 274 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: Let's see what they do in the draft, especially since 275 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: the Steelers generally that's where they like to build their team. 276 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: The Ravens well, the Ravens are healthy. The port Ravens 277 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: last year, we're missing twenty starters and key contributors. I 278 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: think that that's all really good. The Ravens still need 279 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: another pass rusher, and the Browns well, Deshaun Watson is 280 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: a is a very very very loaded topic, and if 281 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: we just take it from an availability standpoint, we don't 282 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: know what Deshaun Watson's availability will be, and so that 283 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: clearly impacts what he is able to give them. So, 284 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: having run through all of that at this current moment, 285 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: knowing that this is just a paper certificate and doesn't 286 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: necessarily mean anything, I would say the Bengals won the offseason. 287 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: A couple more questions for dit King Kabwall and I'll 288 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: let you go. You attended you sees Pro day last week? 289 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: They had eight players at the combine, they had six 290 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: invited to the Senior Bowl. What or who stood out 291 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: to you from being at that pro day? Okay, so 292 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: everybody was so nice, including the head coach. It was 293 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: just this pleasure to be around a group that again, 294 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: it's the same thing to the Bengals a little bit 295 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: wide eyed. You know, they had never had a Pro 296 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: day like this. I don't think they never had. They 297 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: haven't even had a pro day. You would know better 298 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: than me. Did they have one every year? But I'm 299 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: going to say that more NFL personnel attended last week's 300 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: Pro Day than all of the other ones combined that 301 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: I've ever been to well, I really really really loved 302 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter's demeanor. I loved how take charge he was. 303 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: I loved his confidence. I loved how when a receiver 304 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 1: dropped a ball, he immediately ran to the receiver and 305 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: patted him on the back and said that's okay. It 306 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: again recalls a story that Zach Taylor told me. Zach 307 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: Taylor was the Bearcat's offensive coordinator who ultimately worked out 308 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter and kind of got him his first offer, 309 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: got him the one of two Division one offers that 310 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: he had. And what Zach told me is that that 311 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: year he worked out probably about twelve to fifteen quarterbacks 312 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: all over the country. Every single one of them had 313 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: a quarterback coach who ran the workout. But Desmond Ritter 314 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: was sort of a very late workout, you know. As 315 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, he got the offer a while during the 316 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby, so it was a late workout. It was 317 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: sort of last minute. It was almost like Taylor was 318 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: doing it as a favor to somebody else on the 319 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: staff who said, maybe you should check him out, and 320 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: so he said, okay, okay, I'll do it. At six 321 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: am and Desmond Ritter had no quarterbacks coach, and Desmond 322 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: Ritter gathered a group of his teammates and friends, convinced 323 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: these seventeen year old kids to show up on a 324 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: field at six am, and then he ran them through 325 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: the entire workout. And Zach told me that he was 326 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: the only quarterback that did that. And when you're looking 327 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: for all those intangibles, you're looking for those leadership traits, 328 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: you're looking for the guy who's going to be kind 329 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: of the face of your outfit, that's everything that you want. 330 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: I thought that he was quite frankly, a little bit 331 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: stiff when he had a straight drop back. If you 332 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: look at the way he holds the ball, it just 333 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: doesn't seem as relaxed in his hand. And I thought 334 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: that he looked better when he was actually in motion 335 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: when he was having to I don't want to even 336 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: call it scramble, but maybe roll out a little bit 337 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: or roll right and then throw a left. That almost 338 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 1: looked a little bit more natural. So I think that 339 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: that's interesting. I talked to quite a few coaches that 340 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: day who are much smarter than me of figuring out 341 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: footwork and mechanics and things like that, and several felt that, 342 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: you know, his inaccuracy is a little bit confusing because 343 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: there's nothing very obviously wrong. There's nothing in his footwork 344 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: that screams, hey, this is a glitch we can fix. 345 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: And then several said it's really not a big deal 346 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: and they think it's something they can work with. So again, 347 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: I think it's sort of unless you're a Joe Burrow, 348 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 1: you're often beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 349 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: He told me. Desmond told me that he is expecting 350 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: to be a first round pick and if he is not, 351 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: he would be really disappointed. And so we'll see what 352 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: comes of that. And then of course, I you know, 353 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: I loved the corners, love the safety, just good kids, 354 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: good kids all around, and even the running back room forward, 355 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: very quiet but nice, nice young man. Were you charmed 356 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: by Sauce Gardner like the rest of us, it was. 357 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: I was a little disappointed that he didn't work out, 358 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: but he just was very, very friendly. We talked about 359 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: the suit that he wore to the combine, and I 360 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: said that I live by the idea that you dressed 361 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: for the job you want, not the one that you have. 362 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: And I also really really live by look good, feel good, 363 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: feel good, playing good. And so we communed over that. Yeah, 364 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: very great young man. And you know he got to 365 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: go to dinner twice that night. He went out with 366 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: the Saint Sam the Giants the night before at least, 367 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: so crafty move. Yeah, serious, very crafty move. And it 368 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: was the last time you got two people to buy 369 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: you dinner in the same night. And that has never 370 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: happened yet, but I remain hopeful. Maybe the next time 371 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm in town day I can do that. We'll tell 372 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: Duke Tobin to take you out. I'll take you for 373 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: the appetizers. He can buy you to dinner a deity. 374 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: This is and awesome and we appreciate your time. Thank you, 375 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: thanks so much, Dan, I appreciate it. Okay, Duke Tobin, 376 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: you heard it from Adity. She's getting the appetizers and 377 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: you are buying dinner. 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You'd done a 387 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: couple of mock drafts in early February. You had the 388 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: Bengals selecting Iowa center Tyler Linderbaum. In early March, Tulsa 389 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,479 Speaker 1: offensive liman Tyler Smith. Now that the Bengals have signed 390 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: three offensive linemen in free agency, are you still thinking 391 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: offensive line? No. I do think that the Bengals could 392 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: could take a look at the offensive line for more 393 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: competition at the you know, potentially draft for more depth. 394 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: You know, a guy who can play center guard, maybe 395 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: a guy like Luke Gayticky out of Central Michigan. But no, 396 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: it's not an immediate need for the team right now, 397 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: so I don't expect them to use, you know, one 398 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: of their first couple picks on offensive line. I think 399 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: they've done a pretty good job, definitely a serviceable job. 400 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: I mean they're better along the interior. Jackson Carman needs 401 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: to play well. You want to have you know, Jonah 402 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: needs a good season, of course, but I do think 403 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: it is intriguing the concept of Jonah Williams potentially sliding 404 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: inside the center at some point and having another tackle 405 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: out there. But that's not something that I think is 406 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: going to be a priority this year. I want to 407 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: get back to Tyler Linderbaum because right now the Bengals 408 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: have Ted Carriss scheduled to play center, but he's obviously 409 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: played both guard spots in the past. If Tyler Linderbaum, 410 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: we're still there at number thirty one, and I know 411 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: most draft experts, yourself included, I think he's a much 412 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: better player than that in terms of where he slots 413 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: in this draft class. Would that be a no brainer 414 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: If he's still there, No, And I'll tell you why. 415 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: I think number one, he is a very specific type 416 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: of center. He's a zone scheme center. I think when 417 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: you look at the Cincinnati Bengals right now, you're just 418 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. So what the Bengals are going 419 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: to be looking at is what are moves that we 420 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 1: can make to get us over the hump? Now? How 421 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: do we how do we win a Super Bowl? Not 422 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: just compete? Now you're at a different level. How do 423 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: we win a Super Bowl? And I think the way 424 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: you have to approach at is taking a look at 425 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: all the competition you're likely to face. And the starts 426 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: with a very challenging AFC inside your own division. To 427 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: Shaun Watson is now there, that's going to be a challenge. 428 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: The Ravens are going to be healthier this year. They 429 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: should have a better running game because their running backs 430 00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: are going to be back. And then you look at 431 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: what's going on in the AFC West. I mean that 432 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: place is completely loaded over there in the West. Just 433 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacks golore in the a f C West. So I 434 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: think when you look at you know five we take 435 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: all the a FC West four teams. You take a 436 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: look at the the Cleveland Browns, there's another quarterback and 437 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: then I mentioned Ravens. That's more running back related. But 438 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: but you are going to get a healthy Lamar Jackson back. 439 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: What I'm telling you is you've got to compete against 440 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: quarterbacks who can throw the football. And so the concern 441 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: you have now is making sure that you're loaded up 442 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: on the back end. And I think that's why I 443 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,879 Speaker 1: think cornerback would be difficult to pass up on or 444 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: even an interior rush or a guy that could either 445 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: start right away or come off the bench, and a 446 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: guy who has some juice up the field, a rush passers, 447 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: so getting the quarterback or keeping the quarterback from from 448 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: from completing passes because you've got tight coverage, that should 449 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: be I would imagine the focus when you look at 450 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: the Bengals. That's that's that's the next step for Cincinnati 451 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: is is tightening up. But the good thing is you 452 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: just don't have a ton of holes on the roster. 453 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there's areas of concern to fill, but it's 454 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: not massive, massive holes. So I think that what Cincinnati 455 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: can do is go in there with a very clear 456 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: head and not be panicky about a particular position. Let's 457 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,159 Speaker 1: assume the Bengals stay at number thirty one and you 458 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: mentioned cornerback as a possibility. Who are some guys that 459 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: you think are, if not likely, have a decent chance 460 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: of still being available at thirty one at the cornerback 461 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: position that you would be interested in. I think it 462 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: starts with Andrew Booth, if he would be there, you know, 463 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he'll be there at 464 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: thirty one, but if so, Andrew Booth, a cornerback out 465 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: of Clemson. To me, I think he's the twenty two 466 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: twenty three ranked player in this year's draft class. So 467 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: I think Andrew Booth is a guy that would fit 468 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 1: the mold. Another guy at that particular spot, and maybe 469 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: you want to you may want to trade back also 470 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: as another option. But Kyer Elam could be the thirty 471 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: thirty first pick. I think Kyrie Elam has a chance 472 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: to get into the first round. I think he's teetering 473 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: on the brink of first and second round, which is, 474 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: you know, a classic case of a guy who might 475 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: be considered at thirty one and then beyond that, you 476 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: know guys that fit I think would include Kyler Gordon 477 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: out of Washington, who has a lot of upside but 478 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: could but could really play the role of cornerback four 479 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: and learn from the guys who are in front of him, 480 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: and learn from the coaching staff over Washington. He's got 481 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: some tremendous traits. Did not run as fast as Indianapolis 482 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: as I expected, but he's a very, very explosive athlete. 483 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: You've got a guy in the middle rounds like Zion McCullum, 484 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: who tested great out of Sam Houston, m Cam Taylor 485 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: Britt if you're okay with a little bit a physical 486 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: press corner, who is Maybe he's not a he's not 487 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: a short corner. I think he's about five to eleven. 488 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: But he does have some there are some some highs 489 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: and lows to his game. But I think when you 490 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 1: start getting it past the first group of cornerbacks, it 491 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: gets a little dice here. As I look at the 492 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: list now, I see some I see guys that I 493 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: consider Josh Williams from Fayetteville, Vincent and Gray from Michigan. 494 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: These are guys who are more developmental. They have traits, 495 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: They have the potential to become pretty good cornerbacks down 496 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: the road. But I think it's going to take a 497 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: little more time. So you know, depending on how you 498 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: view this, do you want to get help immediately or 499 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 1: you're looking for building that core down the road for 500 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: two and three years. I think that really will have 501 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: It will be a determining factor in terms of how 502 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: they approach the cornerback position. Very specifically for talking NFL 503 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: network draft analysts lands Zerline, you can follow them on 504 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: Twitter at lands Zerline z I E R L E 505 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: I N How about defensive lineman that could be there 506 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: at thirty one, particularly interior defensive lineman. Well, the interior 507 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: line spot is a little You've got some depth, but 508 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: it's not high end depth this year. So when you 509 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: start talking about defensive tackles, and I know that's a 510 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: I know that's a big lead. I'm pulling up my 511 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: all my d tackles here because I only have four 512 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty players to sit through that I've written 513 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: up already. But yeah, that's it. Only only four hundred, 514 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 1: only four hundred and twenty as as I've called my 515 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: defensive tackles. But I think what Cincinnati needs now, that's 516 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: a position that I can say, I think you want 517 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: some immediate help. I love DJ Reader, love love, love 518 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: what he brings to the table, but I think you 519 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: need a complimentary piece next to him. Some guys you 520 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: could take a look at. I don't think Devantae Wyatt 521 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: is going to be on the board. Logan Hall from 522 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: University of Houston. As a player, he views himself as 523 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: a defensive end. Obviously you don't have a defensive in 524 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: spot open, but he played defensive tackle at the University 525 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: of Houston, so you could look at him, I think 526 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: Travis Jones. If you want a guy that is a 527 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: big time run stuff or to stick next to Reader. 528 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: I mean, no one's running on the Bengals if you've 529 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: got Travis Jones and H and DJ Reader in the 530 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: same and that's Travis Jow'd be a little rich for 531 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: my blood at thirty one. But I could see trading 532 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: back a few spots and grabbing him early in the 533 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: second round because he's just a really, really talented player. 534 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: Once you get past those players. This is what concerns 535 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: me is that I'm not as big a de Marvin 536 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: Leale fan out of Texas A and M. I think 537 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: he's more of a third round player. Perry and Winfrey 538 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: out of Oklahoma had a really good senior ball and 539 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: that's all anyone's talking about, and he tested great, but 540 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: the game tape is really up and down and inconsistent. 541 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: But I do think in terms of, you know, looking 542 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: at him after the first round of Perry and Winfrey 543 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: could make some sense for what Cincinnati likes to do defensively, 544 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: and then I think you started looking at fourth round 545 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: guys like Matthew Butler, who is an upfield rusher. I 546 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: think he's got a lot of talent, but he's not 547 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: somebody you'd look at in the first or second round. 548 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: So I think the problem with the defensive tackle draft 549 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: is that I see death from rounds three to rounds five, 550 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: and I see guys who have upside and the chance 551 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: to become good players, but you're not going to get 552 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: the immediate help more than likely from those positions, and 553 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: you're not going to have guys that I would consider 554 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: to be top fifty players. So I think that's the 555 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: concern when you talk defensive tackle, and I think every team, 556 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: they're general managers and the evaluators have to go into 557 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: the draft and really, let's just call it abcd F 558 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: like at school, you have to go in with a 559 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: grade on every position group, so you know, all right, 560 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: who do we need to be a little more Who 561 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: can we be a little bit more wide open in 562 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: terms of our draft approach with because they're so deep, 563 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: the position so deep, and cornerback would would be a 564 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: little bit deeper. But then a position like defensive tackle, 565 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: if there are guys you really really like, but the 566 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: next group, the tier two and tier three you feel 567 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 1: like or you have them graded as fourth and fifth 568 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: and sixth round guys. Then you have to make a 569 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: priority of grabbing defensive tackle earlier. And I think for 570 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: the Bengals, potentially grabbing defensive tackle earlier could be the key, 571 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, one of the one of the ways that 572 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do that if you want us 573 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: to move up in the draft. And I think going 574 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: from thirty one up into the twenties could help secure 575 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: who knows, I mean, maybe Jordan Davis will last that 576 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: long to defensive tackle out of Georgia because he's not 577 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: really a pass rusher, but he is a dominant run defender, 578 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: and you can always go to your sub rush packages. 579 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: So you know, how you how you see the player, 580 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: the defensive lineman, the interior defensive lineman, how you've seen 581 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: him fitting you on the first two downs and then 582 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: on the rushdown is going to be really critical in 583 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: terms of how the Bengals prioritized defensive tackle. The Bengals 584 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: have had a ton of success in the draft over 585 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Obviously, Joe Burrow, T Higgins, 586 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: Logan Wilson a couple of years ago, Jamar Chase, Evan 587 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: McPherson worked out great in the fifth round last year. 588 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: In general terms, what do you think of when I 589 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:59,280 Speaker 1: say Bengals and their draft track record. I think it's 590 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: been you know, I think it's been okay. I think 591 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: I think people I think people are too hard on 592 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: the Bengals in general. You know, I hear comments made about, oh, 593 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis, Oh the Bengals, Oh Andy Dalton. The fact 594 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: is Andy Dalton had success in Cincinnati. Marvin Lewis had success. 595 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: It wasn't the success Bengals fans. You know, it didn't 596 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: get over that hump. But the Bengals have been way 597 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: more competitive than people sometimes give them credit for. And 598 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure why that narrative exists. I think from 599 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 1: a standpoint of when you look at how the Bengals 600 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: have drafted, and I tend to look at pockets of years, 601 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: I like to look at it over five years, because really, 602 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 1: once you get past five years, the players from that 603 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: cycle many times are already gone or they've become core players, 604 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: so they've either gone in one direction or the other. 605 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: And when you talk about the players that you just mentioned, 606 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: like Logan Wilson, I was a huge fan of Logan 607 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 1: and Wilson's coming out of Wyoming. Stape was fantastic. His 608 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: instincts were great. And what you did is you had 609 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: a guy that maybe others would pass on because they said, well, 610 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: it's a small school guy. We don't know if he's 611 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: a great at all of a sudden. You know, the 612 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: good football you saw on tape is the good football 613 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: you see on Sundays. It's it's the same thing. It 614 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: didn't change Jamar Chase. I was a big believer in 615 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: taking Chase over a tackle because the fact was Chase 616 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: had the ability to change games and there wasn't a 617 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: tackle who could change a game for you. Last year. 618 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 1: You can make do along the offensive line. Now not 619 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: for very long. And obviously it was a huge priority, 620 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: and you know, you might be able to argue that 621 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: if the offensive line was better, the Cincinnati Bengals would 622 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: have won the Super Bowl, which wouldn't have been there 623 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: without Jamar Chase. So that's the point. So this year 624 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: they have gone about addressing it. But I think the 625 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 1: Bengals from a draft standpoint, there have been some some 626 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: hit or miss selections, obviously, and there have been some 627 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: guys who who have failed, especially in the two thousands 628 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: and into the early two tens. But I think over 629 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: the last five years the Bengals have done a nice 630 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: job of adding not just good football player, but core 631 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: football players, guys that you will build around for years 632 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: to come. Along with Joe Burrow, Joe Mixon as core, 633 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is a core. Logan Wilson is a chord. 634 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: Look how Sam Hubbard's done. I mean, Hubbard's done terrific. 635 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: Adding Hendrickson was obviously a great stroke from a free 636 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 1: agency standpoint, and Jesse Bates another good football player. The 637 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: Bengals are adding good football players, and I think that's 638 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: the real kid guys who love football. That's what you're 639 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: seeing right now in Cincinnati. Final question for NFL Network 640 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: draft analyst Land Zerline. Your father is a former University 641 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: of Cincinnati assistant coach. Right now, the University of Cincinnati 642 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: has eight guys that could get drafted, eight guys that 643 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: were invited to the NFL scouting combine six were invited 644 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl. What do you think of this 645 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 1: draft class, particularly a Mad Sauce Gardener and Desmond Ritter. Yeah, 646 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: I think it's a great class. Just had a GM 647 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: text me the other day that he loved you know, 648 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,760 Speaker 1: Alec Pierce thought he was just a really underrated wide 649 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: receiver prospect. I think Curtis Brooks is a little underrated 650 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: frankly along the anterior. But he's your size. But despite 651 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: his size, he's two hundred and eighty seven pounds, but 652 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: he is a whirlwind of disruption along the interior. When 653 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: you look at what Cincinnati has done, you know, Desmond 654 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 1: Ritter feels like a safe quarterback, really understands the game. 655 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: Has done a nice job of building himself up and 656 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:23,359 Speaker 1: becoming a very astute and mechanically sound quarterback over the years. 657 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner came out of nowhere. I shouldn't say out 658 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: of nowhere. He was a very thin, skinny guy when 659 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: he came in. They did a great job of helping 660 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: to build him up, and I know Kobe Bryant was 661 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: a big part of that, of helping to get him 662 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: to buy into what he needed to buy into. And 663 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: so you see, Kobe Bryant to me, is going to 664 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: be one of the better zone corners in this draft. 665 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner has the swagger that you'd like out of 666 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: corners who are going to forget if they made a mistake. 667 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: But he also has the speed and explosiveness and length 668 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 1: to make plays on a football. One of my favorite 669 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: players in this draft is Brian Cook, the safety who 670 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: I think just has the body type and the demeanor 671 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: of an NFL Safety's physical He's a business only type 672 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: of guy, where he is going to come up and 673 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: really handle business, no matter whether you're ask him to cover, 674 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: whether you ask him to come up and hit and 675 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: support the run. And then you know, as you go 676 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: back a little bit, Sanders and Beavers, of course, we're 677 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,440 Speaker 1: very talented college players who I think have some growth potential. 678 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: From Sanders from a physical growth standpoint, Beavers from a plane, 679 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: I think he can get better as a player when 680 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: he's put into a little different position. So, you know, 681 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: it's amazing that Cincinnati has come this far where you 682 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 1: have eight draft from prospects. But it also really speaks 683 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 1: to the fact that drome Ford I didn't even mention. 684 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so many. Yeah, Josh Wile I 685 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: wrote him up. I thought he might come out, and 686 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: he went back to school, which I was glad to see. 687 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: So I think when you look at what Cincinnati's doing 688 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: right now and then you see this many draft prospects 689 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: and you see where they came from, which was the 690 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: final four for college football. I mean it just goes 691 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: to show you you want to get to that level 692 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: of college football, you gotta get and developed guys who 693 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: can end up being pro players. That's typically how it's 694 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: gonna work. Our guest has been Lanzerline four hundred and 695 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: twenty written profiles of the prospects in this year's draft. 696 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 1: You can find them on NFL dot com. I always 697 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: check them out. It's great stuff. Appreciate your time today 698 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: and keep up the good work. Okay, thanks, Land, says Dad. 699 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,399 Speaker 1: Larry was the offensive line coach at you See for 700 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: four years under Rick Menter, during a stretch where the 701 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: coaching staff included Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, and Rex Ryan 702 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: among others. That's going to do it for this episode 703 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,360 Speaker 1: of The Bengals Booth podcast, presented by Ultimate Bengals. 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