WEBVTT - 4. The Hitman

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<v Speaker 1>Gampsite Media large.

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<v Speaker 2>So Rory.

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<v Speaker 3>Episode four is the halfway point of our series. Can

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<v Speaker 3>you recap for fans who maybe smoked too much weed

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<v Speaker 3>between last week and what's been going on.

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<v Speaker 4>David Gant, the mastermind of acquiring seventeen million dollars from

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<v Speaker 4>Alumis Fargo, is hiding out in Mexico with a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit of cash and trying to guess beyond the lamb.

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<v Speaker 4>While in the United States of America, the rest of

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<v Speaker 4>his crew is getting a little flimsy with the money.

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<v Speaker 4>And also we're starting to learn that the FBI is

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<v Speaker 4>easily gaining traction. Who is guilty of what? So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>seventeen million dollars have been stolen. David Gann is the

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<v Speaker 4>only one on the lamb. Everyone else is hiding out

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<v Speaker 4>in broad daylight spending the money he stole.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, then let's get onto the episode. This is

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<v Speaker 3>Hilbilly Heist Episode four.

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<v Speaker 5>When you're twenty five years old, somebody engine offers you

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<v Speaker 5>tuner for the Grand first thing that pops in your

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<v Speaker 5>head is cocaine, hookers, and hot tubs.

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<v Speaker 1>Cocaine and hooker, sure, but adding a hot tub just

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<v Speaker 1>seems fungusy.

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<v Speaker 6>Why the hot tubs.

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<v Speaker 2>He needs someplace to relax.

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<v Speaker 5>That's usually the unholy Trinity.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Mike McKenny, a man who knows precisely what

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<v Speaker 1>he wants out of life, and also a man who's

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<v Speaker 1>fairly comfortable doing whatever it takes to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have been labeled with sociopathic tendencies.

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<v Speaker 5>That's also coming from over educated people with too many degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care, which brings us to why Mike McKenny

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<v Speaker 1>got offered two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a cash deal to pull off one simple job killing

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<v Speaker 1>David Gant. Mike mckennie is a former marine who got

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<v Speaker 1>kicked out for, in his words, going feral, but before

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<v Speaker 1>he was discharged he got pretty good at shooting guns

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<v Speaker 1>and blowing shit up. He's a big dude, a muscular

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<v Speaker 1>six foot four. Back in the day, he rocked bleach

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<v Speaker 1>blonde hair and a dark beard, and the carpet didn't

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<v Speaker 1>match the curtains or did it.

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<v Speaker 2>To each their own way, The nineties were to me.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was still in the Marines, Mike served with

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle's first husband, and he also got to know Steve Chambers, who,

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<v Speaker 1>as we know eventually became Michelle's second husband.

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<v Speaker 5>Cute little bitty thing, but she's louding obnoxious. Steve was

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<v Speaker 5>a bigger guy. He thought he was super slick. Thought

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<v Speaker 5>he's a tough guy.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was pretty good con man. He could make

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<v Speaker 2>you believe a story. He was kind of slicking that regard.

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<v Speaker 5>If you've ever been around a really good con man,

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<v Speaker 5>you can talk to them and know they're full oft shit,

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<v Speaker 5>but they still draw you in.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how they do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike started working construction in Illinois after the Marines booted

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<v Speaker 1>him out, but he stayed in touch with Steve and Michelle,

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<v Speaker 1>and then in the fall of nineteen ninety seven, Steve

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<v Speaker 1>approached Mike with the proposition.

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<v Speaker 5>The story he told me was this guy needs to

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<v Speaker 5>get out of town fast. He robs some money from

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<v Speaker 5>the wrong people. Blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for fifty thousand dollars cash. I was like deal.

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<v Speaker 1>The real story that Steve gave his ID to David Gant,

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<v Speaker 1>who used it to flee to Mexico. David and Mike

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<v Speaker 1>don't really look anything alike. But remember TSA doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>There are no digital eyeball scanners. Also giving someone else

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<v Speaker 1>your ID wasn't such a big deal back then.

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<v Speaker 5>On me, it wouldn't have mattered if somebody would have

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<v Speaker 5>ran a credit scam because I didn't have any credit.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't have any assets for them to try to

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<v Speaker 5>cheat me out of, if I didn't have a huge

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<v Speaker 5>banking account that they could empty my bank account.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus, you could just show up to the DMV, take

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<v Speaker 1>a number, and get a new ID with basically no

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<v Speaker 1>questions asked. A few weeks after Mike gave Steve his ID,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve and his henchman, Big Eric, took a trip to Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>They met Mike in a motel room and gave him

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<v Speaker 1>the money Stevid promised fifty grand in small bills. Steve

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<v Speaker 1>still didn't tell him where the money came from, but

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<v Speaker 1>he did offer Mike a chance to make even more.

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<v Speaker 5>He did drop a seed in there, and he said,

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<v Speaker 5>a there might be something big, else big coming up

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<v Speaker 5>to we might have to take somebody out.

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<v Speaker 1>And as soon as Steve mentioned that he was willing

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<v Speaker 1>to pay a quarter million dollars cash, Mike probably immediately thought,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how much cocaine, hookers and hot tubs that'll

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<v Speaker 1>buy you.

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<v Speaker 5>There was no way I would have ever seen that

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<v Speaker 5>kind of money in my life. You know, number one,

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<v Speaker 5>you're probably gonna end up dead or in prison. It's

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<v Speaker 5>a conclusion, and that's what you accept. The only thing

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<v Speaker 5>you do is run one day at a time, throwing

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<v Speaker 5>as much fun in there as you could before you

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<v Speaker 5>hit the brick wall.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike told Steve he'd do the job. He still didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know where, when, or even who he was killing. Still

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<v Speaker 1>he persevered, But hey, dealing with that kind of uncertainty

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<v Speaker 1>is just part of being a professional assassin.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, I prefer the the hitman or the hard gun

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<v Speaker 5>conferred to assassin because to me, the assassin sounds like

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<v Speaker 5>your elite government type of person, you know, one the

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<v Speaker 5>government's used, and hit man or a gun for her

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<v Speaker 5>sounds more like the hill billy, redneck version of the assassin.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh. Anyway, after Steve left, Might quit his construction job

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<v Speaker 1>and waited for the call from SmartLess media, campsite media,

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<v Speaker 1>and big money players. In partnership with iHeart Podcasts, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Johnny Knoxville and you're listening to Crime List Bill Billy Heist.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our fourth episode. The hit Man a month

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<v Speaker 1>into his time in Cancun, David Gand has transformed. He's

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<v Speaker 1>no longer the scrawny outlaw giving himself the first little

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<v Speaker 1>taste of luxury. Now he's a full blown connoisseur.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm learning how to be a person of means, so

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<v Speaker 7>I'm trying out the more expensive desserts. I'm drinking better alcohol. Lobster,

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<v Speaker 7>so I order a double. It comes with this huge potato.

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<v Speaker 7>That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>The heist was the first time that David's impulsive frame

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<v Speaker 1>and his army trained planning Frain really got to join forces.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out these two sides of David like working together

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<v Speaker 1>and having a pocket full of cash. In Mexico, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a new opportunity for collaboration. He's devised a new routine,

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<v Speaker 1>a regular circuit of indulgence.

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<v Speaker 7>And we made this loop of really good bars and

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<v Speaker 7>restaurants and I would start around two thirty three o'clock.

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<v Speaker 8>I'd go for a morning.

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<v Speaker 7>Swim, come back, take a nap, and I'd start making

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<v Speaker 7>my rounds.

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<v Speaker 1>The highlight of this tour was Senior Frogs.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't like to dance, but if I have enough tequila,

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<v Speaker 8>I will.

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<v Speaker 1>After Senior Frogs, he'd hit another club called Laboom, and

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<v Speaker 1>he'd usually end his night at Daddy Rock.

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<v Speaker 8>By then it's two in morning, and I've spent a

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<v Speaker 8>don't know how.

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<v Speaker 1>Much money real talk, probably about seventy eight bucks. And

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<v Speaker 1>all this time David claims that he's not missing Kelly.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll be brutally honest, like the turb to come in,

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<v Speaker 7>and there were enough females.

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<v Speaker 8>And I really didn't put my salt in her to

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<v Speaker 8>be brutally honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we get a David. You never really liked

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<v Speaker 1>her anyway.

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<v Speaker 7>One of the contests I went to was a bear

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<v Speaker 7>as You Dare contest, and since I tipped the doorman,

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<v Speaker 7>I got to be an honorary judge. So I got

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<v Speaker 7>up front and they go through, and I mean, the

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<v Speaker 7>bikinis are getting smaller and smaller, and finally the one

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<v Speaker 7>girl comes out and she's got a band aid on

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<v Speaker 7>her foot.

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<v Speaker 1>But hitting every club in Cancoon every single day is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tough on the wallet.

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<v Speaker 8>That'll run your money out quick.

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<v Speaker 1>And as the weeks go on, David is starting to

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<v Speaker 1>wonder what the hold up is. I mean, how hard

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<v Speaker 1>could it be to get contraband into Mexico.

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<v Speaker 8>You can smuggle in South all.

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<v Speaker 1>This time, David is making his weekly calls to Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>at the payphone in North Carolina. He's asking about the money,

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<v Speaker 1>explaining that he's running out, and she's just making excuses.

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<v Speaker 8>She's talking about, Oh, they haven't problems moving it as

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<v Speaker 8>a lot.

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<v Speaker 7>They didn't think you'd get nothing of small bills, And

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<v Speaker 7>I'm like, what what are you fussing about?

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<v Speaker 1>But through it all, David is still David. Here are

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<v Speaker 1>the emotions of the guy who threw his life away

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<v Speaker 1>for one third share of millions of dollars that he

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<v Speaker 1>has yet to see.

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<v Speaker 8>Not really fed up, but I'm kind of angry.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, David, if you were pissed, we

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<v Speaker 1>would understand. And yet somehow he is still not angry

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<v Speaker 1>with Kelly. He's angry with the other guy from the heist,

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<v Speaker 1>and he finally knows that guy's name.

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<v Speaker 8>She's let slip.

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<v Speaker 7>I knew that Steve is a name I wasn't supposed

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<v Speaker 7>to know, mister Orange or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>David tells Kelly he needs fifty grand a SAP. She

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<v Speaker 1>tells him she'll let Steve know. Mike McKinnie isn't much

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<v Speaker 1>of a people person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a lot easier to tolerate people when you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to be around them all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I find that really relatable. But after accepting Steve's

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<v Speaker 1>initial offer, Mike was still waiting on instructions on who

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<v Speaker 1>he was supposed to kill. In the meantime, Steve had

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<v Speaker 1>another way for Mike to make money. He could come

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<v Speaker 1>to North Carolina, live in a motel and be Steve's bodyguard.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, and somebody hires you for that, You kind

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<v Speaker 5>of take it serious at first, and then you realize

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<v Speaker 5>there's really no threat here. He just he just wants

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<v Speaker 5>to pay me money to look tougher because he has

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<v Speaker 5>a buddyguard.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like get paid to hang out.

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<v Speaker 5>I had to carry the pistol because he was a felon,

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<v Speaker 5>and other than that, right around in the truck with

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<v Speaker 5>him and Sidney's furniture store and go back to the

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<v Speaker 5>hotel room at night.

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<v Speaker 1>This life of leisure did give Mike and Steve plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of time to hang out in the mansion.

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<v Speaker 5>We actually went to the basement and saw the wine

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<v Speaker 5>cellar full of PBR.

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<v Speaker 1>That's actually great.

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<v Speaker 5>He treated the wine cellar more like a walking cooler

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<v Speaker 5>at the liquor store.

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<v Speaker 2>He went in there and.

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<v Speaker 5>Basically had cases and twelve packs packed everywhere inside of

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<v Speaker 5>this place. The velvetelle was the Cuban cigars and humid

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<v Speaker 5>or he couldn't get to work right. Of course, I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't know that this was newly acquired money. I just

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<v Speaker 5>figured he'd been building up since the few years i'd

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<v Speaker 5>seen him.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike still didn't know how his old friend Steve had

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<v Speaker 1>acquired all this money, and Steve didn't explain who he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted Mike to kill, but he did start to finally

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<v Speaker 1>provide a few details, like that the target was in

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico and needed money, so Mike could get close to

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<v Speaker 1>him by dropping off the cash. And just how did

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<v Speaker 1>Steve instruct Mike to take him out with the bleach

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<v Speaker 1>injection tossing a grenade in his general direction, something that

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<v Speaker 1>won't attract any attention, right, He was.

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<v Speaker 2>Just going to leave the method up to me because

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<v Speaker 2>I was a trained assassin.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh huh oh okay, Mike, But there was nothing funny

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<v Speaker 1>about the code name Mike would have to use to

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<v Speaker 1>get close to his target.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve chose the name Bruno. I don't know where he

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<v Speaker 2>came up with it.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, that was the same time that what Bruce

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<v Speaker 5>Willis came out with his album and he called himself

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<v Speaker 5>Bruno or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Bruno rad Aalini. How dare you?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I didn't think. I looked at it

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<v Speaker 2>like a Bruno.

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<v Speaker 1>The real point of this nickname was that David couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>know that the guy delivering him money was named Mike McKinny,

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<v Speaker 1>because that would make the connection to Steve and the

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<v Speaker 1>fake ID a little too obvious.

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<v Speaker 5>I was still traveling under my name with my papers.

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<v Speaker 5>So yes, at that time, there were two entries for

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<v Speaker 5>Mike McKinny with my so security number and everything on

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<v Speaker 5>that ID. Both of us entered Mexico and one of

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<v Speaker 5>us hadn't left yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, the free wheeling nineties, But we're getting ahead of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve tells Kelly to let David know a guy named

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<v Speaker 1>Bruno will be delivering his fifty grand as promised, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he buys Mike a ticket to Cancun and hands

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<v Speaker 1>him fifteen grand to either deliver to David or to

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<v Speaker 1>use to lure David to his death.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was all basically brand new, like twenties. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money in twenties.

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<v Speaker 5>And so I had it around inside of my way

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<v Speaker 5>and I showed up at the airport. Of course, I

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<v Speaker 5>was flying first class, so they kind of basically escorted

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<v Speaker 5>you through, held your hand to go through, And at

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<v Speaker 5>the moment we left the desk, the money starts slipping

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<v Speaker 5>down my legs. So I had to jet into the

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<v Speaker 5>bathroom real quick and rearrange it again, tighten up the belt.

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<v Speaker 5>You might consider it a waddle. Maybe that airline agent

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<v Speaker 5>definitely knew something was off. I mean, you're running, nervous guy,

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<v Speaker 5>fidgety all of a sudden, got a run into the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like you try to blow it off to Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm nervous of flying. Once we take off, then I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 1>When Mike gets to Mexico, he's supposed to meet David

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<v Speaker 1>at the Rainforest Cafe to hand him the money. Mike

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<v Speaker 1>arrived and scanned the room. He didn't see David. Part

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<v Speaker 1>of the problem might be that he actually doesn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what David looks like.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if I was supposed to meet at

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<v Speaker 5>Rainforced Cafe or not, but I think I'd just gone

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<v Speaker 5>to Rainforce Cafe to eat probably some of the best

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<v Speaker 5>rips I ever ate.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, the money drop doesn't happen. One give you this

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<v Speaker 1>as a failure, but Mike is an optimist. He's in Cancun,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got fifteen thousand dollars cash, and his only job

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<v Speaker 1>just got canceled.

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<v Speaker 2>What to do?

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<v Speaker 5>Cocaine was cocaine, you know, it was considered recreational back then,

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<v Speaker 5>and only people who had money did it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, you always make jokes about doing.

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<v Speaker 5>Lines off strippers asses, which I've actually seen it. I

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<v Speaker 5>can't say I ever did it, though, not off strippers.

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<v Speaker 1>After a couple of days of partying and not doing

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<v Speaker 1>cocaine off strippers' asses, Mike goes back to Charlotte without

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<v Speaker 1>ever making eye contact with David say Leve, but no worries.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve gives him another ten grand to make a second

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<v Speaker 1>trip south of the border, and Mike's a bit better

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<v Speaker 1>at discreetly smuggling that cast through the airport. This time.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been told that David is really pissed off. Turns

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<v Speaker 1>out he was at the Rainforest Cafe waiting for him

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<v Speaker 1>at the appointed time. But now Mike has a hotel address.

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<v Speaker 1>He knocks on the door.

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<v Speaker 2>They gave me the wrong hotel room. It was a circus.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, h well, the T shirt contest it was.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't specifically go looking for one. It just happened

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<v Speaker 5>to be there whenever I got to the nightclub, the

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<v Speaker 5>SuDS Party's phone parties, whatever you call him, there was

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<v Speaker 5>one of them that had that, and that was basically

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<v Speaker 5>a we T shirt contest waiting to happen with plenty

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<v Speaker 5>of bubbles.

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<v Speaker 1>And for the discriminating female clientele.

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<v Speaker 5>They actually had like uh guy hop bun contests. They

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<v Speaker 5>would have guides get up here and they would have

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<v Speaker 5>curtain down to their waist right and the women to

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<v Speaker 5>be out there cheering whichever one they wanted. So they

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<v Speaker 5>were catering to the female crowd too.

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<v Speaker 7>So do you think about entering?

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<v Speaker 8>Ever?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I never even considered entering.

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<v Speaker 1>Mike was frugal and only spent about fifteen hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>of David's money that night, But then he got a

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<v Speaker 1>call from Steve with the correct address. However, Steve didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want him to do the hit just yet. He wanted

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<v Speaker 1>Mike to gain David's trust by giving him way less

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<v Speaker 1>money than he had been promised. The first meeting is

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<v Speaker 1>going to go just peachy, Mike knocks on the door.

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<v Speaker 1>A nervous guy with the spray tand that looks like

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<v Speaker 1>Boris Becker opens it.

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<v Speaker 2>I said you for something from Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 1>David invites him in. Mike, sorry. Bruno puts the money

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<v Speaker 1>on the bed. It's about eight grand, Mike says. David

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<v Speaker 1>freaks out.

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<v Speaker 2>He acted like it.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd skimmed off him bringing him money or something, which

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<v Speaker 5>is literally what he did, because I think they told

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<v Speaker 5>him they're going to have like fifty thousand sent to

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<v Speaker 5>him or something like that, I think, And of course

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<v Speaker 5>it'd be a letdown.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there'd be a lot of disappointment on that one.

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<v Speaker 1>See, Mike just radiates empathy.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, well, I asked for more than that. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, I was in the neighborhood. They just

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<v Speaker 2>asked me to drop off whatever I had. I walked out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, any skimming Mike did was nothing compared to

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<v Speaker 1>Steve holding on to David's five million dollar share. David

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<v Speaker 1>talks to Kelly on their usual Tuesday phone call. His

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<v Speaker 1>patience has been somewhat tested.

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<v Speaker 8>I go, how much did y'all sen with Bruno.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly tells him she thinks it was ten or twelve grand.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, either he's stealing or y'all can't effan count.

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<v Speaker 1>I got eight, which is less than twelve and significantly

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<v Speaker 1>less than the fifty thousand dollars David was expecting, in

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<v Speaker 1>the whole hell of a lot less than the five

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars he's owed. And then David says something he

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<v Speaker 1>can't take back, and.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm like, listen, if you guys can't deliver, I can

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<v Speaker 7>walk over here to the embassy and we'll end this tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 7>Y'all need to figure it out. I'm i get angry

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<v Speaker 7>with her over the wall, like this is stupid. Y'all

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<v Speaker 7>are gonna get busted and it's gonna be overWe But

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<v Speaker 7>if you'll keep screwing me around, I'm gonna all go

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<v Speaker 7>over here to the embassy. I'll end it myself. You

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<v Speaker 7>know what happens to the first rent that goes off

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<v Speaker 7>the ship gets the dryest board.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that even mean?

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<v Speaker 7>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I get the second rat gets the cheese. Okay, onward

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<v Speaker 1>and forward. Kelly promises David that he'll get the money.

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<v Speaker 1>They just need a little more time.

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<v Speaker 9>It was frustrating having to keep gant believing that I

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<v Speaker 9>was going to come down and see him, and keeping

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<v Speaker 9>him believing that Steve was going to send him all

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<v Speaker 9>the money. I don't know why he didn't send him

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<v Speaker 9>more at one time instead of just keeping it dragging

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<v Speaker 9>it out, And I imagine that was a pretty horrible

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<v Speaker 9>feeling and not getting the money that you were expecting

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<v Speaker 9>to get and then having the woman that you expected

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<v Speaker 9>to spend the rest of your life living high on

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<v Speaker 9>the hog with keep putting you off. But yeah, in

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<v Speaker 9>the end, he was getting pretty tasty.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite David's bad vibes, Kelly was starting to allow herself

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<v Speaker 1>to enjoy her share of the money. Her motivations had

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<v Speaker 1>always been about providing the finer things for her children,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what she did. She bought a brand new minivan,

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<v Speaker 1>a Toyota Siena. Steve came to the dealership with her

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<v Speaker 1>and shrewdly paid for it in twenty dollars bills and

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<v Speaker 1>used a fake name for the vehicle registration to boot

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<v Speaker 1>and then Kelly and her mother and her kids took

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<v Speaker 1>a short vacation to Disney World to reset refocus.

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<v Speaker 8>You're gonna love this place, Larry.

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<v Speaker 5>It really brings out the kidney.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a couple of months since the FBI knocked

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<v Speaker 1>on Kelly's door. She hopes there may be off her trail,

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<v Speaker 1>but then she gets another call. Two agents want to

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<v Speaker 1>speak to her again. She heads to the mall to

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<v Speaker 1>meet them. Unfortunately, Kelly has no memory of this meeting,

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<v Speaker 1>which may have something to do with all that dope

0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:14.040
<v Speaker 1>she smoked.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't remember shit.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI, on the other hand, has considerably better recall.

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<v Speaker 6>I always say, you can't hide money because if you

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<v Speaker 6>have money.

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<v Speaker 8>People like to show it.

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<v Speaker 6>Build a bigger house, buy a nicer car, So you

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<v Speaker 6>can't hide money.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI had learned a lot about Kelly Campbell since

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<v Speaker 1>that first interview, you know, at her house where she

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<v Speaker 1>rudely refused to share her wead with the agents.

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<v Speaker 6>We knew through interviews of other Lumis employees that Kelly

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<v Speaker 6>and David were friends, and her denial and a refusal

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<v Speaker 6>to take the polygraph and her denial that they were

0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:55.800
<v Speaker 6>friends connected Kelly right away. I mean all of us

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 6>were like, she's involved somehow, or she knows something.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI subpoenaed her phone records and found out she

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<v Speaker 1>had received calls from David Gant on the day of

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<v Speaker 1>the heist, so she had definitely lied to the agents

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<v Speaker 1>about the last time she had talked to him. Combine

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:12.720
<v Speaker 1>that knowledge with all the one four to three texts

0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:17.360
<v Speaker 1>to David's pager, and Kelly didn't exactly project innocence. Loomis

0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 1>also told the FBI that David had passed all his

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:24.200
<v Speaker 1>company drug tests, So apparently Kelly had lied about smoking

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:28.679
<v Speaker 1>weed with him too. And it gets worse. The FBI

0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 1>also knows that Kelly bought a new minivan and that

0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>she paid cash for it. While continuing to keep an

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>eye on Kelly, the FBI is also gained a lot

0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 1>of calls about money floating around Charlotte. The main culprits,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, are Steven Michelle. They'll take the BMWZ three

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:54.600
<v Speaker 1>roadster of forty three thousand dollars diamond ring, Armani suits,

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 1>a Rolex, a few tanning beds at ten thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>full table, and the beast Thieve Resistance mission painting of

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<v Speaker 1>General George Patten in the form of a bulldog.

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<v Speaker 9>I guess they just they wanted to be big time

0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:15.919
<v Speaker 9>because Michelle got a boob job, a friend of theirs,

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<v Speaker 9>Eric his wife got a nose job and a boob job.

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<v Speaker 9>I looked into having some leco suction that never roe

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<v Speaker 9>around to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly is misremembering here. Michelle actually got her new boobs

0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:33.679
<v Speaker 1>just before the heist. Call it foreshadowing her life was

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>pointing in the right direction, and now so were her breasts.

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 1>And the Eric mentioned there, of course, is Steve's henchman,

0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 1>Big Eric, from the night of the heist. He's not

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<v Speaker 1>even that big. We've just been calling him Big Eric

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:51.399
<v Speaker 1>because he's the Johnny Appleseed of plastic surgery. Wherever he goes,

0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:55.480
<v Speaker 1>boobs flourish. So the tally stands at one fresh nose

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 1>and four new boobs.

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<v Speaker 6>Eric Paine got breast in plants for his sisters. I

0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 6>do remember going out to doctor's offices and subpoenaing their records,

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:08.600
<v Speaker 6>and all of it was paid in twenty dollar bills.

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<v Speaker 6>Three boop jobs and one nose job.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, six boobs in one nose. My bad. And

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<v Speaker 1>Eric didn't just limit his spending the plastic surgery.

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<v Speaker 6>He buys a Hartley, he purchases a Tahoe and just

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<v Speaker 6>ridiculous spending. And he's spending it all in twenty dollars bills,

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:29.479
<v Speaker 6>and eleven point three million of the fourteen million dollars

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 6>missing was twenty dollar bills.

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<v Speaker 1>Once Eric gets on the FBI's radar, they realized that

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<v Speaker 1>he used to work at a paper company that's just

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<v Speaker 1>a short drive from Loomis and a short distance from

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 1>where the Loomis van was abandoned. Another former employee of

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that company, Steve Chambers.

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<v Speaker 6>Winner. Steve and Michelle were just out of control, completely

0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 6>out of control, like they won the lottery a movie

0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:02.440
<v Speaker 6>inside their head. It's the only way I could describe it.

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Stephen.

0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Michelle even literally acted out the scene from Goodfellas where

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Rayleota's wife asks to go shop and he asked her

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.359
<v Speaker 1>how much she needs and she holds up her fingers

0:27:12.359 --> 0:27:14.479
<v Speaker 1>to indicate how high the stack of bill should be.

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<v Speaker 6>And they were using clips from movies and they were

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 6>acting like it, but they weren't taking the advice from

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 6>some of the movies either, like spending the money. If

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 6>you watch that movie Goodfellas, it's all about not showing

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 6>and giving the Feds any reason to come looking at you.

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 6>And they gave us all the reasons.

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<v Speaker 8>Did you hear what I said?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't buy anything, don't get anything, nothing big. Did what

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<v Speaker 1>I said, what's the matter with you?

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<v Speaker 8>Do you get excited for it?

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 3>Did I get excited about because you're gonna get us

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<v Speaker 3>ad fucking pinch?

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<v Speaker 8>That's why?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you stupid?

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<v Speaker 6>And he's buying all these ridiculous things in his own

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<v Speaker 6>hometown that people know he never had this kind of wealth,

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<v Speaker 6>and to buy a home for six hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 6>thousand dollars and it's a cash deal, and Loomis Fargo

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<v Speaker 6>is missing seventeen point three million dollars literally just fifteen

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<v Speaker 6>minutes away. That's when all these calls are coming in.

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<v Speaker 6>But we couldn't prove that it was Loomis money. And

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<v Speaker 6>you spending twenty dollars to bills is not a crime.

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<v Speaker 6>You can't arrest anybody for that, you can't charge them

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<v Speaker 6>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>But then, amid all the purchases, the mansions, the diamond rings,

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<v Speaker 1>the luxury cars, the boobs, so many boobs, the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>pulls the paperwork for Kelly's minivan and the name on

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<v Speaker 1>the registration matches an alias Steve Chambers used back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day when he was cashing hot checks. The Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>Steve connection is coming into focus.

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<v Speaker 6>Myself and another agent. We went to the high school

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<v Speaker 6>that Steve Chambers went to and got the yearbooks and

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<v Speaker 6>found that Kelly Campbell and Derek Payne had gone to

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<v Speaker 6>the same high school. And we knew by that point

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<v Speaker 6>that Kelly Campbell and Steve Chambers were friends.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI had plenty of reason to surveil Stephen Michelle

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<v Speaker 1>at this point. Watching Michelle, they notice a pattern with

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<v Speaker 1>her trips to the bank.

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<v Speaker 6>Michelle gets to it like it's a job, and she's

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<v Speaker 6>depositing every Tuesday at this branch, every Thursday at this branch.

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<v Speaker 1>This gives the agents the perfect opportunity to set a trap.

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<v Speaker 1>Widra goes undercover.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm just sitting in an office. She just thought I

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<v Speaker 6>was a banker.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle walks in right on schedule to make her usual

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<v Speaker 1>cash deposit, just a hair under ten grand, so it

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<v Speaker 1>will never show up on the FBI's radar. Wink wink.

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<v Speaker 1>The teller takes the cash and Michelle goes on her way.

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<v Speaker 6>I go behind the teller window and I take the

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<v Speaker 6>straps off the cash that she just deposited. Doesn't say

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<v Speaker 6>lumis Fargo on the strap. It's just a generic cash strap.

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<v Speaker 6>But it had initials on It means someone at Loumis

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<v Speaker 6>Fargo counted it.

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<v Speaker 1>Whydra immediately takes the strap to Loomis.

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<v Speaker 6>So we went and asked whose initials they were at

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<v Speaker 6>Louis Fargo. Well, as luck would have it, it was

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<v Speaker 6>just a coincidence that the employee that counted that particular

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<v Speaker 6>money hadn't worked at Louis Fargo since the robbery. That

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<v Speaker 6>meant that money was pre robbery. That conclusively tied the money,

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<v Speaker 6>the Loomis Fargo money to Stephen Michelle Chambers. That was

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<v Speaker 6>the key piece of evidence. It was like party time.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI pretty much has it all wrapped up at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. They even get a picture of Kelley and

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle in front of the furniture store.

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<v Speaker 6>And that was another aha moment, Like that bridged everything,

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<v Speaker 6>like it connected Steve Chambers to the money, to Kelly Campbell,

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<v Speaker 6>to David Gant. This is the crew, there is nobody else.

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<v Speaker 6>And then it became a matter of where's the money,

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<v Speaker 6>Where's David.

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<v Speaker 1>One evening in mid December, David is eating an authentic

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican dinner at the Hard Rock Cafe in Cancun. He's

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<v Speaker 1>got a view of the beach and of rock music

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 1>videos playing on the TV's overhead. It's been more than

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<v Speaker 1>two months since the heist, but it's still in the

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<v Speaker 1>news constantly. David's on the FBI's most Wanted list. His

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.720
<v Speaker 1>face has probably flashed across every TV in America by

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<v Speaker 1>this point, and all this time, David has been hanging

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<v Speaker 1>around Cancun, hitting the same few bars and restaurants every

0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>day while wave after wave of American tourists passed through.

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<v Speaker 1>So of course it finally happens. A stranger approaches David's

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<v Speaker 1>table and says, hey, man, you look a lot like

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<v Speaker 1>that guy from North Carolina who stole like twenty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy just leaves it at that and goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to his table, but David Sin's the safety is completely shattered.

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<v Speaker 1>He hurries out of the restaurant to call Kelly and

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<v Speaker 1>tells her that he needs to get out of Cancun fast.

0:32:10.160 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Kelly says, no problem, they'll send Bruno to take good

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<v Speaker 1>care of him.

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<v Speaker 7>So Bruno comes back, and then he asked me a

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<v Speaker 7>really mirrored question. Do you have a gun you haven't,

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:27.280
<v Speaker 7>Do you carry a knife? Do you lock your doors?

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<v Speaker 7>Questions like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's next time on Crime List, He'll Billy heist.

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<v Speaker 2>Roy.

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<v Speaker 3>We've just spent another half hour or so with our heroes,

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<v Speaker 3>heroes and quotes.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it when a new character comes into play.

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<v Speaker 4>That's I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say my first question was like, what's

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<v Speaker 3>your assessment of Mike McKinney.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's what I love about this entire everybody that's involved

0:32:57.360 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 4>in this entire production, of the actual thieves and criminals.

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<v Speaker 4>Hearing their voices, it almost sounds like none of them

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<v Speaker 4>even remember or know that what they did was so

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<v Speaker 4>highly illegal. They seem so calm about it. It almost

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:18.360
<v Speaker 4>makes you like all of them in their own weird,

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 4>strange way. And this guy a hired uh he didn't

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<v Speaker 4>like assassin, hired hitman is no different. He was hired

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 4>to kill somebody and yet just acts very blase about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Are Bruno? I love it?

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<v Speaker 3>How do we feel about Bruno as a hitman's nickname?

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<v Speaker 4>Love that that had to be the It's too perfect.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like Bruno. Of course, of course you wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>be Bruno. I love that Steve Chambers got to make

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<v Speaker 4>so many decisions and at no point it seemed like

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<v Speaker 4>anyone at the time realized how dumb this guy was

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 4>actually being, but they sort of treated him with a

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 4>lot of respect.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess he just acted the part. He watched a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of Mafia movies and just acted like he was

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<v Speaker 3>in charge, and that goes a long way.

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<v Speaker 4>I think.

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<v Speaker 9>So.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he watched so many Mafia movies that it very

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:08.720
<v Speaker 4>quickly became we need to kill David Gant. We've already

0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 4>got ourselves in so much hot water. Let's up the ante.

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 3>Let's add a murder charge on top of it.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, Yeah, yeah, So.

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<v Speaker 3>We also get to drop back in on David in Cancun.

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<v Speaker 3>He's having a pretty good time if they would just

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 3>send him enough cash.

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta say that gives me anxiety. That was one

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 4>thing that gave me anxiety, hearing the spending of going

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 4>to all that. When he said double lobster, I couldn't

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 4>even handle that. It just felt very gluttonous. I realized

0:34:34.120 --> 0:34:38.800
<v Speaker 4>they've stolen money. But it's like every night club. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>I love that he's like, I don't even like to

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:43.840
<v Speaker 4>dance unless I've had some tequila. Like I guess. I

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 4>guess in reality, David Gant did go live up the

0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.719
<v Speaker 4>life he sort of dreamed of in a way, not

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 4>the version he thought it would be. But he didn't

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<v Speaker 4>at least just sit around in a hotel room waiting.

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<v Speaker 4>He did go party, and I respect that absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>My biggest frustration. What's it gonna take for David to

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<v Speaker 3>actually get mad and blame Kelly?

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I just can't. Kelly frustrates me the entire time,

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 4>the most aloof person ever, And now that she's even

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 4>slightly involved in wanting to have David Gant killed and

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 4>seems to not even understand or know that is nerve racking,

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:27.880
<v Speaker 4>nerve racking, nerve wrecking, will never know nerve racking. I think, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>That's how I've always said it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, On that note, thanks for joining us this week, folks.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see you next time for episode five of Crimeless

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<v Speaker 3>Hillbilly Heist.

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<v Speaker 1>Crimeless Hillbilly Heist is a production of SmartLess Media, Campside Media,

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<v Speaker 1>and Big Money Players in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. Bhill

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Heist is narrated by me Johnny Knoxville and created

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<v Speaker 1>by Liz Elkington and Stewart Bailey. Written by Michael Kenyon

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