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Speaker 4: This is a scary case.
Speaker 3: Actually tell me what you mean by that.
Speaker 5: This is scary because the implications are pretty profound, I think.
Speaker 4: So let's assume everything.
Speaker 6: This is Robin Drake, who spent twenty two years working
Speaker 6: Russian counterintelligence for the FBI. You heard from him in
Speaker 6: the first episode of this podcast. I've circled back to
Speaker 6: get his thoughts from an intelligence perspective on what he's
Speaker 6: heard so far.
Speaker 5: Let's assume everything Aliah has said is true. That would
Speaker 5: mean that this country is won by warlords. That each
Speaker 5: one of these generals is a fieftom under themselves, and
Speaker 5: they're all serving the greater warlord Putin, and they each
Speaker 5: have their cadre of enforcers that are in uniform, that
Speaker 5: are under state kind of control. I'm only analyzing the
Speaker 5: information she provided, but they're not as a nation state
Speaker 5: trying to counter drugs. They as warlords are going after
Speaker 5: their adversaries, and if it's a general that's at the
Speaker 5: top of yours, that means a general on the top
Speaker 5: of another. So in other words, this to me looks
Speaker 5: like a feudal system of a bunch of fiefdoms trying
Speaker 5: to take out each other's supply chain and monetary structure.
Speaker 4: That's kind of scary if you're thinking about it.
Speaker 5: This is actually the truth of how this nation state,
Speaker 5: a world power is supposedly being run.
Speaker 4: So it's either one or the other.
Speaker 5: Either she's making all us up, or this country is
Speaker 5: a country of warlords.
Speaker 7: To jolly, I'm really sorry.
Speaker 4: How to do jut to? This is.
Speaker 6: Episode sixteen, chapter thirty three, down word spiral.
Speaker 7: He put me into the car. I drove away, and
Speaker 7: I felt like something died inside of me. I felt
Speaker 7: like I just lost him forever. But I was trying
Speaker 7: to tell myself, no, no, no, I will see him again,
Speaker 7: But they didn't feel like I will really see him again.
Speaker 6: Aliyah had just left the home of Vladimir, her former
Speaker 6: target and now her ally. He was sending her to
Speaker 6: Moscow for the time being to hide out until it
Speaker 6: was safe. She had no idea how long that would
Speaker 6: be and whether or when she'd hear from the general.
Speaker 3: She met with.
Speaker 7: The driver. He drove me to Moscow and he opened
Speaker 7: their apartment for me, quite like small but very clean
Speaker 7: and nice apartment. The driver brought me some food and
Speaker 7: then he left, and I remember, I just I just
Speaker 7: wanted to sleep. I think I slept like a few
Speaker 7: days straight.
Speaker 5: Up.
Speaker 7: I drank some water and I just went back to bed,
Speaker 7: and I was just sleeping, sleeping, sleeping, recovering. You know,
Speaker 7: sleep was the best recovering medicine. I just wanted to
Speaker 7: forget everything. I was thinking about the bladder or a lot,
Speaker 7: about what he's done for me, about Cornell, and about
Speaker 7: you know, my former commander. Then I didn't go out
Speaker 7: for like a few days. And then at some point
Speaker 7: life was starting to come back to me, and I
Speaker 7: was wondering what's happening outside, And I decided to go
Speaker 7: out just to buy some food, buy some newspapers. It
Speaker 7: was a dark time. I knew that I couldn't contact anyone,
Speaker 7: but I thought, if I will contact one person, wouldn't
Speaker 7: be bad.
Speaker 6: Leah decided to contact an old high school classmate of
Speaker 6: hers who had moved to Moscow.
Speaker 7: I was just alone, lonely and board.
Speaker 6: Her friend invited her to a party, and against her
Speaker 6: better judgment, A Liah decided to go.
Speaker 7: I knew I couldn't do it, but yet I did it.
Speaker 7: And I remember, like first time, for like so long,
Speaker 7: I saw so many people in one place and it
Speaker 7: was so weird. There were like access to drugs everywhere.
Speaker 6: Despite everything she'd seen, Leah quickly found herself swept into
Speaker 6: this culture of drugs. It wasn't because she didn't know
Speaker 6: how they ruined lives, it was because she did.
Speaker 7: And then at some point I just couldn't understand why
Speaker 7: the vict just was gone in one day. It was
Speaker 7: just like only one scene club, dog dancing, drugs, alcohol,
Speaker 7: and it just was like NonStop, and then you come
Speaker 7: back to the reality and you cannot accept it again
Speaker 7: and you just go back. I think that time I
Speaker 7: felt so much guilt. I felt guilt for Vladimir, I
Speaker 7: felt guilt for Sasha. I felt guilt for my father
Speaker 7: that I didn't succeed in my career. I failed. The
Speaker 7: feeling of guilt which was so deep inside of me
Speaker 7: that I just couldn't handle it. And I just thought
Speaker 7: that moment that maybe this will help me to stop
Speaker 7: this pain when I try that. I don't understand people
Speaker 7: when they become drug added because they have so much
Speaker 7: pain inside of them, so much so they just cannot
Speaker 7: handle it in a normal life. It's like too much. Everything.
Speaker 7: What Vladimir told me about the big life and the
Speaker 7: big world, I didn't see it. And I was still
Speaker 7: waiting maybe he will come and he will know what
Speaker 7: to do, because I was completely lost completely.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Leah never saw Vladimir again.
Speaker 7: So his driver, his friend, he called me. He said,
Speaker 7: do you know what happened? He said, like, no, I
Speaker 7: didn't know what was happening. I stopped even reading newspapers
Speaker 7: and I was just in another world. And I asked him,
Speaker 7: what's happening. Do you know anything about Vladimir? He said, well,
Speaker 7: he said he is his dad. And for a quite
Speaker 7: a long time, I was silenced. He's like, are you okay?
Speaker 7: Are you okay? And I asked what happened how? And
Speaker 7: he said, I don't know a lot of details, but
Speaker 7: he was murdered and I don't know how and where.
Speaker 7: I just wanted to tell you, so you know, And
Speaker 7: I said, when it's the funeral and He's like, well
Speaker 7: it will be soon, like in a couple of days,
Speaker 7: but you can't come here. Don't even think about doing that.
Speaker 7: And he switched over the phone. And I couldn't even cry.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: It was almost like the last my hope of the future,
Speaker 7: the last my connection with the past. It was just
Speaker 7: gone with him. I found some newspapers, but they wrote
Speaker 7: like in the very like facts kind of thing, so
Speaker 7: and so was killed at this place. That's it. And
Speaker 7: I just took some drugs just to escape because I
Speaker 7: felt even more guilty. I felt like, now it's time
Speaker 7: for me to leave the world. I felt so disgusting
Speaker 7: that I'm not allowed to leave.
Speaker 6: Leah soon fell sick, a combination of the psychological toll
Speaker 6: of Vladimir's murder and the physical toll of her lifestyle.
Speaker 7: I have a very high fever. I couldn't walk. It
Speaker 7: was something really bad. I thought like, this is the
Speaker 7: time when I may finally die, like I felt, that's
Speaker 7: so close to me. And I was thinking about my parents,
Speaker 7: and you know what, I decided to call them. My
Speaker 7: mom remembers that call still now. She sounded really sad,
Speaker 7: and I said, Mom, that's me. I just wanted to
Speaker 7: tell you that I really really love you, and I
Speaker 7: want to apologize for everything, like everything I've done, and
Speaker 7: I'll just try to do my best. And he said,
Speaker 7: oh my god, he sounds so sick, like where are
Speaker 7: you what's going on? I said, like, tell my dad
Speaker 7: that I'm really sorry for everything, and I think this
Speaker 7: would be my last call. So I just wanted to
Speaker 7: tell you that I love you and thank you for
Speaker 7: giving me this life. That's it, and I switched over
Speaker 7: the phone. I thought like, oh, this is just absolutely
Speaker 7: pointless life. You know, I live a pointless life. So
Speaker 7: I took the raise of blade. I didn't even like
Speaker 7: write a letter whatever they say lo because sometimes they
Speaker 7: write a letter, you know. I didn't do anything like that.
Speaker 7: I just took the lizard and just cut my wrist.
Speaker 7: I thought, okay, so now I can be free. This
Speaker 7: is my freedom. Now, this is the end of my suffer,
Speaker 7: of my guild, of my negative experience. And at some
Speaker 7: point I just fainted. I woke up. I looked at
Speaker 7: my wrist and either I didn't do the deep cut either.
Speaker 7: My blood it dried so fast, so it's so blood
Speaker 7: on the floor on my hand, but in my hand,
Speaker 7: the blood stopped bleeding.
Speaker 6: Somewhere in the state being half awake and half asleep,
Speaker 6: half alive and half dead, Elia saw a vision that
Speaker 6: to her seemed very real.
Speaker 7: It was Vladimir, and I saw him sitting next to
Speaker 7: my bed and he looked at me and he said,
Speaker 7: come on, wake up, you have to go. You have
Speaker 7: to leave. You have to go and live your life.
Speaker 7: And he told me, do you remember I gave you
Speaker 7: all these numbers. Call them. They will organize for you everything.
Speaker 7: Call them. And he was saying it like, come on,
Speaker 7: stand up, you have to go. You have bigger goals,
Speaker 7: bigger mission. And he just disappeared. The next morning, when
Speaker 7: I woke up, I found a note with all these numbers,
Speaker 7: all these addresses, names everything, Switzerland, Italy, Fronts, Turkey, Greece,
Speaker 7: his friends people, He relied on them, He trust them.
Speaker 7: And I called one number and I said that I'm
Speaker 7: from Vladimir, and I asked for the help, and then
Speaker 7: they arranged everything. So I fly away. First country was Turkey,
Speaker 7: and I had the time. Russian prospered, so it was
Speaker 7: very convenient and easier to fly to Turkey. First. I
Speaker 7: wanted to find the light in this dark tunnel, and
Speaker 7: Vladimir showed me that light and I stopped doing drugs
Speaker 7: and alcohol just like that in one day. Where I
Speaker 7: am right now, it thanks to him, you know. He
Speaker 7: pushed me and he didn't let me die. Seriously, I
Speaker 7: feel this way.
Speaker 6: While Leah was in Turkey, she discovered the fate of
Speaker 6: her former superiors, the colonel and the commander who assaulted
Speaker 6: her and abused her and sent her to die.
Speaker 7: So both of them, the coronel and my previous commander,
Speaker 7: they got retired and it was quite quick of the
Speaker 7: whole operation was finished. Usually, if you do something bad
Speaker 7: while your career, but not too bad, then they just
Speaker 7: read of you like okay, so here's your pension, here's
Speaker 7: your retirement. Good luck. And it gives me understanding that
Speaker 7: they obviously lost the income of the bribery and the
Speaker 7: power which they had while they had high rank.
Speaker 6: Chapter thirty four fairy tale endings.
Speaker 7: So ninth of July in two thousand and four, according
Speaker 7: to Regno media, with the few shots to the neck
Speaker 7: and had the criminal leader, which is in Russian calls
Speaker 7: of started forty four years old. Vladimir Costin were shot
Speaker 7: about eleven PM near to the preschool.
Speaker 6: Alia Rosa is reading an article on the death of Vladimir.
Speaker 6: It's still a mystery what happened, but she believes that
Speaker 6: his former partner and friend had something to do with it.
Speaker 6: There are a lot of unanswered questions left at the
Speaker 6: end of Lea's story, so I asked her about a
Speaker 6: few of them. In the last episode, we discussed your
Speaker 6: meeting with the general and himself saying take a rest,
Speaker 6: I have some other missions and things for you, and
Speaker 6: the story got a little squarely there. But now that
Speaker 6: we're talking together, I wanted to get your answer to
Speaker 6: what happened there.
Speaker 7: I okay, So I still, you know, like it's still scared.
Speaker 7: I mean I was scared a lot of times when
Speaker 7: I was there, but this was the most scariest meeting
Speaker 7: in my life, because you I that time, and even
Speaker 7: now I kind of like, you know, like the power
Speaker 7: of the person.
Speaker 3: Eliah seems to be struggling here.
Speaker 6: I try to ask again what really happened at that
Speaker 6: meeting with the general, why she was allowed to leave
Speaker 6: the country, whether we had new assignments for her, and
Speaker 6: whether she escaped the system and how. For the next
Speaker 6: half hour, I struggled to get a clear and direct
Speaker 6: answer that makes sense. I'm not sure something is lost
Speaker 6: in the translation, or if there's something she's hiding and
Speaker 6: it turns out there is.
Speaker 7: Am I free now? Am I free? Now?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 7: I don't know? Where is the guarantee they will not
Speaker 7: do anything to me? Oh? My son and I have
Speaker 7: this the thought every moment I leave, Is it a freedom? Now?
Speaker 6: I ask Aleiah why she doesn't feel free and if
Speaker 6: there's anything she's had to do since.
Speaker 7: My general in my new commander, the unofficial commander, gave
Speaker 7: me a new task to become whom I never wanted
Speaker 7: to be. And it was low to my pride and
Speaker 7: betray to my body and my soul. But I don't
Speaker 7: want to end up on this note because it's such
Speaker 7: a it's like breaking every hope for every person who
Speaker 7: listen to that. The life is not like.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: Aliyah trails off here. It's clear that she's conflicted. She
Speaker 6: wants to be the hero of her own story and
Speaker 6: she is just for starters. She's here and she survived it,
Speaker 6: but it's a different kind of hero than perhaps her
Speaker 6: father raised her to be. This desire to give her
Speaker 6: story a happy ending for the audience helps explain who
Speaker 6: she's become today. Throughout this podcast, some listeners have written
Speaker 6: in struggling to reconcile the story she's telling with her
Speaker 6: social media presence, which portrays a lot of red carpets,
Speaker 6: expensive sports cars, paparazzi, fame and glamour. She wants She
Speaker 6: likes everybody to see the success, the success.
Speaker 7: The final story. Yeah, retail which I create in my
Speaker 7: in my illusory world which actually fucking doesn't exist. I
Speaker 7: pretend the Instagram is just all for me. It's like
Speaker 7: I look at it and I feel better. I want
Speaker 7: to believe that this is the result which I created
Speaker 7: for myself.
Speaker 6: Do you think part of that illusion also is not
Speaker 6: just for you? But like showing your dad, even though
Speaker 6: I didn't choose his path, look at me and look
Speaker 6: at my life to.
Speaker 7: My dad, of course, to show him that without military
Speaker 7: and without following your order, I still pretend that I'm
Speaker 7: successful because I feel I feel like it's my armor,
Speaker 7: and I protect myself in certain ways where I cannot.
Speaker 7: I don't have power enough to be open and live
Speaker 7: in real world because it's it scares me a lot.
Speaker 6: Let me pause, I said, Okay, if I call Emily.
Speaker 6: He'd been working with therapeutically. So if I kind of
Speaker 6: looper around this discussion, yes, okay, heym Lee you're there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am so.
Speaker 6: As I'm sitting here sort of unpacking stuff with Alah,
Speaker 6: I just thought i'd sort of bring you in and
Speaker 6: getgains some thoughts. Okay, what I'm learning is I talked
Speaker 6: to a Liah Moore. Is the happy ending isn't exactly
Speaker 6: how would you put Aliyah? The happy ending isn't?
Speaker 7: There is no happy ending?
Speaker 6: To be honest, at this point, I've spent a year
Speaker 6: and a half with Aliyah an unpacked her story, not
Speaker 6: just with Emily Maccus, the trauma counselor we're speaking with now,
Speaker 6: but with Russian intelligence sources and experts. And I could
Speaker 6: go over at point by point and share what the
Speaker 6: FBI says was believable, with the CIA says was credible,
Speaker 6: and so on. But I think we could do that
Speaker 6: with any story. Every true crime podcast is a collection
Speaker 6: of narratives that we're trying to pick the best path through.
Speaker 6: And I think the path that is best to take
Speaker 6: with Aleah given everything we've heard, is a trauma informed one.
Speaker 6: People see Lea's Instagram, and they think of it from
Speaker 6: an influencer point of view, but I'm curious what does
Speaker 6: it look like from a trauma point of view.
Speaker 2: Part is the association. It's part of her coping mechanism
Speaker 2: and what she.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It's involuntary and detachment from reality at times, and it's
Speaker 2: a way that she protected herself and most of the
Speaker 2: time is unconscious.
Speaker 3: With that dissociation.
Speaker 6: When we experienced trauma, some of us want to feel
Speaker 6: like it doesn't define us, that we're not victims, that
Speaker 6: we winners, winners.
Speaker 2: Trauma does affect the way we perceive ourselves, the way
Speaker 2: we act and react, because it affected our brain. It
Speaker 2: affected our nervous system. When you look at the association,
Speaker 2: it's part of the fight flight response. It's even your
Speaker 2: memory that can be affected.
Speaker 6: I start to understand, as Emily speaks, that after surviving
Speaker 6: such a disempowering experience, there's a need to find a
Speaker 6: way to empower ourselves through our narrative. As the author
Speaker 6: Esactinas and once said, all sorrows can be born if
Speaker 6: you put them into a story or tell a story
Speaker 6: about them.
Speaker 2: And look at even the way Eliir was raised by
Speaker 2: her father in the military. She was raised not to feel,
Speaker 2: not to be connected, but she was also raised to
Speaker 2: be the superhero in the story. I just want to
Speaker 2: remind you, Aliyah that you can't change your past. You can,
Speaker 2: but you can't change the narrative of the story. But
Speaker 2: you are the superhero in your life story.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 7: I was thinking that I think this podcast actually gave
Speaker 7: me freedom because first time in life I started to
Speaker 7: feel I felt a strong guilt, I felt anger, I
Speaker 7: felt hate, I felt pain, and then I started to
Speaker 7: feel love. I started to not to be ashamed of
Speaker 7: my vulnerability. And first time in life, I noticed that
Speaker 7: I started to be open to people in general and
Speaker 7: man especially. And it's very scary, like it's so many
Speaker 7: fears that I don't know if I can handle it.
Speaker 7: But I take a deep breath and try to move
Speaker 7: on and not to close my heart and continue feeling,
Speaker 7: which which is so hard.
Speaker 3: Epilogue a Russian story.
Speaker 6: So I just called to ask, what are your thoughts
Speaker 6: now that you've heard the rest of e Leia's story.
Speaker 4: It took me on a journey, really, and.
Speaker 5: The journey that it brought me on was such a
Speaker 5: conclusion that she is a product of.
Speaker 4: A father who's part of the state.
Speaker 5: She was recruited and or volunteered into the state system.
Speaker 5: Her context is then shattered tragically with abuse and rape
Speaker 5: and then put into this odd school of sparrow training.
Speaker 4: Because that is just as we've said before.
Speaker 5: Was that a real school, Was it a state spons
Speaker 5: to school, or was a bunch of dirty old men
Speaker 5: that were justifying their actions on behalf of the state
Speaker 5: as an excuse could be all there lies the Russian
Speaker 5: state at its bedrock.
Speaker 6: This is Robin Driek again, former chief of the FBI's
Speaker 6: Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis program.
Speaker 5: To keep you in a state of chaos personally, emotionally, psychologically,
Speaker 5: and physically. They traumatize you, They trauma bond you to them.
Speaker 4: This is the case where they give you.
Speaker 5: A little bit of love bombing, we love you, you're great,
Speaker 5: you're awesome, and then they beat on your, beat on
Speaker 5: your beat on your beat on you, and then the
Speaker 5: beating has become more and the love becomes less, and
Speaker 5: then you get addicted to that. One time out of
Speaker 5: a million, you might get a kind word or a
Speaker 5: promotion or a good posting from someone, or maybe even
Speaker 5: not being traumatized tonight by someone. This is what they do,
Speaker 5: and that's what she u is a product of the state.
Speaker 5: It is pretty profound that she was able to do
Speaker 5: what she did to rescue herself, the amount of bravery
Speaker 5: she had to start recognizing. Basically, it's the matrix. You
Speaker 5: know that they have to get myself out of this matrix.
Speaker 5: And that's where therapy comes in, and that's where rescuing
Speaker 5: ourselves from the trauma with the great healthy relationships we
Speaker 5: tend forge around us and getting that narrative and that
Speaker 5: story out there for people to see.
Speaker 6: What is a hero? Is it Black Widow? Is it
Speaker 6: Red Sparrow? Is it James Bond? When I first sat
Speaker 6: down with Aliyah, that's the type of story I imagined hearing,
Speaker 6: and I think that's the type of story Aliyah imagine telling.
Speaker 6: But real life is not so clear cut. And I
Speaker 6: learned through this process at least three things I will
Speaker 6: never forget. The first is that life in a totalitarian system,
Speaker 6: whether it's a country or one's own family, is a
Speaker 6: prison with bars made of fear and duty, and even
Speaker 6: if we manage to gape physically, it's much harder to
Speaker 6: escape psychologically. The second is that sexpionage is anything but sexy.
Speaker 6: The third is that most stories of abuse don't have
Speaker 6: happy endings. The perpetrators often get away with it, the
Speaker 6: victims rarely get justice or resolution, and even if they do,
Speaker 6: the healing process is often messy and incomplete.
Speaker 5: All these things in here do happen, and these are
Speaker 5: the tragic results of them.
Speaker 6: So what is a hero in this case and so
Speaker 6: many others? Does a person who survived to tell their story?
Speaker 6: Not necessarily the story, their story? And what is healing?
Speaker 6: It's being heard, So thank you for listening. To Die
Speaker 6: For is a production of Tenderfoot TV in association with
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Speaker 6: Neil Strauss, with additional writing assistants by Tristan Bankston. Executive
Speaker 6: producers are myself, Donald Albright, and Payne Lindsay. For iHeart Podcasts,
Speaker 6: executive producers are Matt Frederick and Alex Williams. Lead producer
Speaker 6: and editor is Tristan Bankston. Additional editing by Miles Clark
Speaker 6: and Christian Brown. Supervising producer Tracy Kaplan. Consultants include Nushin,
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Speaker 3: Artwork by Byron McCoy.
Speaker 6: Original music by Makeup and Vanity Set, mixed and mastered
Speaker 6: by Dayton Cole. Our theme song is Killer Shangui Law
Speaker 6: by Psychotic Beats featuring Pattiamore. Special thanks to Aorin Rosenbab
Speaker 6: and the team at Uta Beck Media and Marketing, Aorn Siegel,
Speaker 6: Becky Jensen, the Nord Group, Meredith Stedman, Rose Baruch, and
Speaker 6: Alex Vespustad. Thanks also to additional guests. Robin Dreek, author
Speaker 6: of the upcoming book and Breakable Alliances, A spy recruiter's
Speaker 6: authoritative guide to cultivating powerful and lasting connections. Alex Finley,
Speaker 6: author of the Victor Caro series. Doctor David Lewis, author
Speaker 6: of Triumph of the Will, How two men hypnotized Hitler
Speaker 6: and changed the world. Doctor Joel Dimmesdale, author of Dark Persuasion,
Speaker 6: A History of brainwashing from Pavlov to social Media. Professor
Speaker 6: Mark Gailliatti, author of Downfall, Precosion, Putin and The New
Speaker 6: Fight for the Future of Russia. Mark Hollingsworth, author of
Speaker 6: Agents of Influence, How the k g B subverted Western democracies.
Speaker 6: Doctor Ian Garner, author of Z Generation into the heart
Speaker 6: of Russia's fascist youth.
Speaker 3: Robert J.
Speaker 6: Lifton, author of Surviving ar Catastrophes, Resilience and Renewal From
Speaker 6: Hiroshima to the COVID nineteen pandemic. Amy Knight, author of
Speaker 6: The Kremlin's News, Putin's bitter feud with the oligarch who
Speaker 6: made him Ruler of Russia. Yuri Felshtinsky, author of From
Speaker 6: Red Terror to Terrorist State, Russia's secret service and its
Speaker 6: fight for world domination. Doctor Joe Sirio, author of Being
Speaker 6: Resilient Fifty lessons on Leaving chronic Stress behind. Holly McKay,
Speaker 6: author of The Dictator's Wife. Emily Machis, author of The
Speaker 6: Naked Truth of a Healer, The Path to My Authentic Self.
Speaker 6: Luke Harding, author of Invasion, The inside story of Russia's
Speaker 6: Bloody War in Ukraine's fight for survival and Setlana Stephenson,
Speaker 6: author of Crossing the Line, Vagrancy, homelessness and social displacement
Speaker 6: in Russia. Federico Varez, author of Mafia Life, Love, Death,
Speaker 6: and the Money at the Heart of Organized Crime. And
Speaker 6: Matt Tipton Army r Your veteran and internal medicine doctor
Speaker 6: trained in chemical and radiological weapons response.
Speaker 4: Wow, that was a very Russian story.