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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Happy Saturday. It's Saturday morning here, and we

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Speaker 1: got the long awaited Trump Rogan interview clocked in at

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Speaker 1: exactly three hours long. There's quite a few let's just

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Speaker 1: say the weave was in full effect for the entire thing.

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Speaker 1: We both now listened to the entire interview. They ended

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Speaker 1: up dropping it around what was it like, ten o'clock

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Speaker 1: last night. It's got about ten million views now on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: So we pulled some of the sections that were the

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Speaker 1: most newsworthy that we thought, and we're going to go

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Speaker 1: ahead and start with some of them. The big, big

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Speaker 1: one that you're probably gonna hear from most media and

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Speaker 1: others is this one on the election from twenty Twentygan

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Speaker 1: asked Trump about specifically some of these quotes stolen election claims.

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Speaker 1: So let's take a listen and make sure the two

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Speaker 1: point speed's not on, and let's take a listen to

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Speaker 1: how that all went.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about twenty twenty because you said

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Speaker 2: over and over again that robbed in twelve totally. How

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Speaker 2: do you think you webbed? Everybody always cuts you off.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 4: It, well, they not only cut you up.

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Speaker 5: Well, what I'd rather do is we'll do it another time,

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Speaker 5: and I would bring in papers that you would not believe,

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Speaker 5: so many different papers that election.

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Speaker 4: Was so crooked. It was the most crooked election.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but give me some examples of how.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's start. Let's start the top and the easy ones.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 5: They were supposed to get legislative approval to do the

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Speaker 5: things they did, and they didn't get it. In many

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Speaker 5: cases they didn't get it.

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Speaker 3: What things anything they made approval like.

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Speaker 5: For extensions of the voting, for voting earlier, for this,

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Speaker 5: all different things. By law, they had to get legislative approvals.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to go any further than that. If

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Speaker 5: you take a look at Wisconsin, they virtually admitted that

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Speaker 5: the election was rigged, robbed, and stolen. They wouldn't give

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Speaker 5: access in certain areas to the ballots because the ballots

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Speaker 5: weren't signed, they weren't originals they were We could go

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Speaker 5: into this stuff. We could go into the ballots, or

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Speaker 5: we could go into the overall.

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Speaker 4: I'll give you another one.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to present? Like? Do you do you think?

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Speaker 5: Let me just give you one before fifty one intelligence agents?

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Speaker 1: Should I stop it there? Because that's that's basically.

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Speaker 6: It, Yeah, are you going to present this ever? Well,

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Speaker 6: actually so it came.

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Speaker 1: Back to it twice. So there was more at the

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Speaker 1: end as well that they went into. But I mean

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Speaker 1: I thought that was, you know, in terms of that's

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Speaker 1: the one mainstream media and others are going to be

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Speaker 1: picking up on, and I mean genuinely was. It's a

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Speaker 1: problem for him because what you see there is that

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Speaker 1: even in a setting where Rogan's like, I won't even

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Speaker 1: he's like, well, I still have to look back. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say this is like the entire interview.

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Speaker 1: This is obviously three hours, but we're trying to pick

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Speaker 1: out the most newsworthy bits here and specifically also the

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Speaker 1: ones that the campaign will try to highlight from the

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris side, and because this is a political vulnerability

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Speaker 1: for Trump, that was, in my opinion, one of his

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it was also I mean, this was

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Speaker 7: maybe the most even like theoretically adversarial part of the interview.

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Speaker 7: Most of the interview was just kind of like bullshitting

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Speaker 7: about whales, psychologists and windmills, enjoy the one whatever, And

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Speaker 7: most of the interview too, As you said, this wasn't

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Speaker 7: the only place where stop the Steal came up. And frankly,

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Speaker 7: Rogan was like pretty sympathetic in most of the interactions

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Speaker 7: where he was like, oh yeah, like it's just like

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Speaker 7: Hillary totally deny the results. This is not unusual. Putting

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Speaker 7: the framing around what you're doing, which involved fake elector

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Speaker 7: slates and January sixth and you know, trying to get

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Speaker 7: the National Guard to seize ballot boxes, et cetera, is

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Speaker 7: just the same as Hillary, who conceded literally the next day.

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Speaker 7: So the framing overall was very like friendly. He also,

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Speaker 7: you know, indulged a lot about of course the Hunter

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Speaker 7: voter fraud is real and it's non zero blah blah blah.

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Speaker 7: But even within that context of a very friendly interviewer

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Speaker 7: he still kind of he still comes off looking like

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Speaker 7: that makes sense about why he thinks there's fraud. He

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Speaker 7: just you know, throws a bunch of stuff out there.

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Speaker 7: It's relatively incoherent, says this thing about they were making

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 7: One of the things I don't even know what he

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Speaker 7: the things that they were pointing to is they had

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Speaker 7: changed some of the rules. You know, it was during

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Speaker 7: COVID to try to enable more mail in balloting. It

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Speaker 7: was a pencil, it was a Republican legislature that passed

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Speaker 7: those rules. So in any case, obviously there's no there there,

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Speaker 7: and Trump continues to insist that there is. There was

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Speaker 7: another interesting moment Sagra. I'm sure you caught as well,

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Speaker 7: where Trump said, like, you know, I lost by twenty

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Speaker 7: two thousand VOTs like Gus Well, he didn't lose, but

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Speaker 7: they said that I lost by twenty two thousands.

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Speaker 1: It was very Lex Friedman esque. Yeah, I mean the

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Speaker 1: reason why I think, and I'm sure Trump people will

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Speaker 1: be furious they're even starting on this, but look, this

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Speaker 1: is first of all consequential, right in terms of whatever

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Speaker 1: happens and what is it ten days now? But it's

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Speaker 1: just like if you've had four years, don't you think

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Speaker 1: you would come up with something better than I would

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Speaker 1: love to come back and.

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Speaker 6: Present with so many paperpers It's.

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Speaker 1: Like, come on, man, and like this again, this is

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Speaker 1: the part where it just is. It demonstrates the fundamental

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Speaker 1: serious manner. At the end, he's like, well, there's this

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Speaker 1: phenomenal book by Molly Hemingway. But again, if you actually

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Speaker 1: read that Molly Hemingway book, or if you're familiar, the

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Speaker 1: Molly Hemingway book is specifically about big tech and influence

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Speaker 1: on the election. And by the way, that's a very

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Speaker 1: different conversation than talking about mailings or fraud or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So right, you know, but let's particulate that properly. So

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Speaker 1: I was like, bro, and look.

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Speaker 7: But how can you at this point when your biggest

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Speaker 7: donor is explicitly running a big tech platform on your behalf,

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Speaker 7: So like, spare me at this point your complaints about

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Speaker 7: the Hunter Biden laptop when at your request, Elon Musk

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Speaker 7: is censoring documents that you find to be unfavorable to

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Speaker 7: your campaign and running the algorithm, et cetera to benefit you.

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Speaker 7: So you know, if that constitutor stole an election last

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Speaker 7: time with Hunter Biden, laptop, like, tell me about what's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean again, it's it is. Also this

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Speaker 1: JD you know, and look, people know Jade and I

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Speaker 1: very vehemently disagree about this whole twenty twenty election thing,

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Speaker 1: but he smartly usually comes back to tech and or

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Speaker 1: censorhip because that's about as good as you're going to get.

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Speaker 1: And me, we're still not going to look great, but

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Speaker 1: that's good to get With Trump, as I always tell people,

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Speaker 1: he believes it, all right, he actually believed it, and

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Speaker 1: so this is the evidence.

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Speaker 7: Well, the last thing I don't I actually don't agree

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Speaker 7: that he believes it. I don't think that he really

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Speaker 7: believes No, I don't think so. I mean all the

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Speaker 7: people that told him over and over again that no,

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Speaker 7: there's no there there. I think that I don't actually

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Speaker 7: think that he believes this. But I think he just

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Speaker 7: can't admit that he lost because it goes so against

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Speaker 7: his image, et cetera, et cetera. The last thing I'll

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Speaker 7: point out, and you gestured towards the saga, is that

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Speaker 7: it's not just consequential because of what happened in the past.

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Speaker 7: It's also consequential because there, and we're going to cover

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Speaker 7: this this week. You know, they are laying groundwork for

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Speaker 7: if the election is close, especially and Trump loses, to

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Speaker 7: assert once again that it was stolen. I mean, he's

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Speaker 7: already making comments in that direction. At the McDonald's photo

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Speaker 7: op thing. He said, hey, you know, I'll accept the

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Speaker 7: election results if they're fair. But and then goes on

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Speaker 7: to say, hey, I'm I'm up in the polls and

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Speaker 7: I've got a ninety three percent chance of winning, which

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Speaker 7: is of course utterly preposterous. So you know, it's very

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Speaker 7: possible that he is going to win. But if he doesn't,

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Speaker 7: I think we're going to see another It's almost a guarantee.

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Speaker 7: We're going to see another organized effort to gaslight and

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Speaker 7: try to convince the country that it was stolen from

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Speaker 7: him yet again. And you know what the consequences of

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Speaker 1: All Right, So this next part, this was interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: This was Trump on what he did wrong while he

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Speaker 5: The biggest mistake I made was I picked some people.

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Speaker 5: I picked some great people, you know, but you don't

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Speaker 5: think about that. I picked some people that I shouldn't

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Speaker 3: And neo cons, Yeah, neocons.

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Speaker 5: Or bad people or disloyal people, or people that were

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Speaker 4: I mean, look, I mean you're reading about him a

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Speaker 5: A guy like Kelly who is a bully, a bully,

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Speaker 4: You know, you know more.

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Speaker 5: About bullies than anybody around because you deal in a

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Speaker 4: But you know, uh, he's bad.

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Speaker 5: Bolton was an idiot, but he was great for me

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Speaker 5: because I go in with a guy like a John Bolton.

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Speaker 4: You know John Bolton.

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Speaker 5: A friend of mine called called me up, I was

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Speaker 5: picking Bolton. He's a very smart guy. His name is

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Speaker 5: Phil Rouffin. He's a very rich guy from Las Vegas,

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Speaker 5: one of the he's a great card player. He doesn't

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Speaker 5: play cards, but he's a great part. You know, he's

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Speaker 5: good old poker sense. And Phil Rouffin is very, very

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Speaker 5: wise kind of a guy and very one of the

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Speaker 5: So it was in that I was picking Bolton or

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Speaker 5: I picked Bolton. He called up, he said, don't pick him.

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Speaker 5: Why he's a bad guy. Now he wasn't in politics

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Speaker 5: at all, He's in various businesses.

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Speaker 4: He said, he's a bad guy. He's just it always

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Speaker 4: works out with that guy. I said, I wish you'd

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Speaker 4: told me this two weeks. I already hired him. You

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Speaker 4: know he's here, and he was right.

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Speaker 1: But all right, So I wanted to share that part

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Speaker 1: because there's two things that go on here. Yeah. Number one,

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Speaker 1: it gives us some insight into the hiring decisions. I

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Speaker 1: guess of the past, which was basically like fielding calls

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Speaker 1: from whoever.

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Speaker 6: Phil is random rich people Phil.

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Speaker 1: Whoever has card sense. By the way, he's looking for

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Speaker 1: card sense is the terminology. But you know, second is

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Speaker 1: this acknowledgment about how bad things went in the first

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Speaker 1: administration and specifically you know Trump, you know Joe was

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Speaker 7: included both audience questions and Anderson Cooper asked asking difficult

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Speaker 7: follow ups that his own audience was honestly very unhappy with.

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Speaker 1: They got furious this. Yeah, it's it's funny. You saw

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Speaker 1: that with Charlemagne, right. I mean, look, yeah, if we

439
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Speaker 1: want to talk to meta, it is true, you know,

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Speaker 1: open kimono here. I tried very hard to interview Donald Trump,

441
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Speaker 1: you know, as part of this whole podcast, you know thing,

442
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Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, it just looks

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Speaker 1: like it's not going to happen. And that's fine. I

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Speaker 1: did point out, you know, I interviewed him on four

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Speaker 1: separate occasions when I was a White House correspondent. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm looking at it from their perspective,

447
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Speaker 1: they don't really want that right because they want the

448
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Speaker 1: humanization and you know, you know, you could call me

449
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Speaker 1: partisan or whatever, but I would actually have asked some

450
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Speaker 1: pretty serious stuff about Ukraine, foreign policy, social security, the economy.

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Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't commit necessarily like cut him off

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Speaker 1: the way that NBC News or whatever would want me to.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not going to just sit there and like

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Speaker 1: let some of this stuff right go by. And it

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Speaker 1: was clear I mean, it has become clear now that

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Speaker 1: that that you know, they just didn't want that to happen. Again,

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Speaker 1: I get it. I know if I'm running for office,

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Speaker 1: probably what you want as well. Coming back to what

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Speaker 1: you said, and I do think this is the most

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Speaker 1: important analytical framework is that. And I brought this up,

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Speaker 1: you know, credit to this guy Ruben who I stole

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Speaker 1: it from. But you know, the Trump McDonald's thing and

463
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Speaker 1: Rogan interview talking about whale psychology. You cannot imagine a

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Speaker 1: person in the McDonald's interview and on Rogan just fucking

465
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Speaker 1: around talking about ear scars as a hitlaryan dictator, like

466
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Speaker 1: it's just simply not possible. And that is the card

467
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Speaker 1: he Rubin calls it like Trump being a cartoon, and

468
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Speaker 1: that really is like both his political superpower. And I

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Speaker 1: think it fundamentally explains a lot of the you know,

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Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh, well, nothing sticks to him. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is why. It's because the camp, the celebrity, the

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Speaker 1: humanization here now with the podcast format and others, and

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Speaker 1: especially in the absence of some of the stuff that

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Speaker 1: you were talking about, especially the averagar and also look,

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Speaker 1: it's been gone for a long time. It has not

476
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Speaker 1: been in office, so a lot of people don't really

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Speaker 1: remember what it was like, you know, when behind the

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Speaker 1: podium or in the in the oval or if they do,

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Speaker 1: a very different perhaps view than what it was like

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Speaker 1: to actually live through at the time. So I think

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Speaker 1: that is one of the major things and one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why I think this will probably be his

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Speaker 1: last podcast interview and from here on now it's just

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Speaker 1: going to be a stretch get out the vote and

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Speaker 1: the rallies. So and even at the rallies, you know,

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Speaker 1: we see these these all these ave Maria and the

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Speaker 1: opera and the dancing. I'm giggling because I mean, what

488
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Speaker 1: else can you do? It's funny, and that is fundamentally

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Speaker 1: not in line with what Kamala's closing message will be

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Speaker 1: about January sixth, about fascism, and I do think it's

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Speaker 1: very effective as a counter It's one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: why I wouldn't do it if I were her, especially

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Speaker 1: the closing argument. I mean, just based on all the polling,

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Speaker 1: all that, you know, the stuff that Matt carp and

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Speaker 1: all them have put out there, but they seem to

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Speaker 1: believe it. I mean, I'm sure we'll cover in New

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Speaker 1: York Times Sienna the final poll, Crystal. But I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you saw, like you know, in terms of

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Speaker 1: this strategy about getting Republicans not to vote for Trump,

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Speaker 1: like there are less Republicans not voting for Trump, been

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Speaker 1: Democrats not voting for Kamala Harris. I mean, what are

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Speaker 1: we talking.

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Speaker 7: About here as an early critic of the Liz Cheney

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Speaker 7: strategy like you know, and and since she has leaned

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Speaker 7: into the Liz Cheney's strategy, is when the polls have

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Speaker 7: started to you know, really tie down move against her.

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Speaker 7: I do want to go back to what you were

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Speaker 7: saying about, you know, why Trump wouldn't sit with you.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, it wasn't even with me involved.

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Speaker 7: It was like, you know, maybe with you and but yeah,

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Speaker 7: I mean, they can go back and look at your

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Speaker 7: interviews of other Republican contenders and see that you ask

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Speaker 7: them real questions.

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Speaker 6: Because because if you are a person.

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Speaker 7: I don't care who you are, how much I like

516
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Speaker 7: you or hate your what you can go look at

517
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Speaker 7: my interviews with Bernie Sanders. Right, you are seeking the

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Speaker 7: highest office in the land. You want to be the

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Speaker 7: most powerful person on the planet. I don't care who

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Speaker 7: you are sitting with that person at this point, you

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Speaker 7: have responsibility to ask some some you know, challenging questions

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Speaker 7: about how they intend to use that power and how

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Speaker 7: they use that power in the past, in the case

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Speaker 7: of Donald Trump and so.

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Speaker 6: But in the like podcast.

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Speaker 7: New media arena. Yeah, all the incentives are to not

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Speaker 7: do that. Because let's say that the Trump people deluded

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Speaker 7: themselves into thinking they could get a softball interview with you,

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Speaker 7: and he sits with you and that's not what he gets.

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Speaker 7: He's never coming back. Yah, he is never coming back.

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Speaker 7: Or if you think in the by the come of

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Speaker 7: people that that was never an even remote possibility that

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Speaker 7: that was gonna happen. Right, And also, like think of

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Speaker 7: in terms of Rogan's audience or any of the like,

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Speaker 7: you know, right wing audiences that you know, he's been

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Speaker 7: going to these these podcasts for if Rogan did do

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Speaker 7: aggressive adversarial interview with Trump, his audience would be mad

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Speaker 7: at him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they would.

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Speaker 7: There is no incentive for him or anyone else. And

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Speaker 7: this is not you know, personal man, this is anybody

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Speaker 7: in the ecosystem. We think a lot about corporate media

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Speaker 7: incentives and where those lie, right, there is no reason

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Speaker 7: for anyone in that sphere to be adversarial, because they

545
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Speaker 7: will never get the interview again, and their audience will

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Speaker 7: be pissed at them. And in some ways, I think

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Speaker 7: the in centers are actually worse in the new media

548
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Speaker 7: landscape than in the old media landscape, because number one,

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Speaker 7: you're so much more there is so much more audience capture,

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Speaker 7: because it's so much more direct, you know, like whether

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Speaker 7: or not that video clicks or not, whether or not

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Speaker 7: you lose premium subscribers or not, Like that's your whole thing,

553
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Speaker 7: not to mention if you even think about the corporate

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Speaker 7: part of it zooming out from the political lens, Like

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Speaker 7: at least in traditional media, there's an alleged firewall between

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Speaker 7: the people who are selling ads and the hosts who

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Speaker 7: are on air and the journalists who are doing the work.

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Speaker 7: Like in new media, there's none of that buffer, which

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Speaker 7: is why we've decided not to do any direct adreads,

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Speaker 7: never to interface with a corporate sponsor, because we don't

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Speaker 7: want even the appearance of a conflict of interest. Now,

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Speaker 7: if you're a comedian in general, there's no reason for

563
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Speaker 7: you to worry about that as much. It's a different

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Speaker 7: ethical quandary. But if you're gonna be the only game

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Speaker 7: in town in terms of interviewing or would be presidential candidates,

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Speaker 7: then that creates a very different ethical landscape. So in

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Speaker 7: any case, I'm kind of, like I said the podcast election,

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Speaker 7: it's it's very depressing to me because obviously we work

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Speaker 7: in this space. I had a lot of hopes for

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Speaker 7: new media, and I see it. I see the incentive

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Speaker 7: landscape as at least as bad and corrupting as legacy media.

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Speaker 7: And like I said, if it was if it was part,

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Speaker 7: like if this Rogan interview was part of a broader

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Speaker 7: framework where he's sitting for tough questions with New York

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Speaker 7: Times editorial board, the Wall Street Journal, whoever. Oh, that

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Speaker 7: was a relatively adversarial interview he did was with what

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Speaker 7: was it Bloomberg? That was at least somewhat adversarial. So

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Speaker 7: we'll give him credit for that, but it's by and large,

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Speaker 7: not by and large, this is what we're getting. There's

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Speaker 7: no other debate, there's you know, So it's that's why

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Speaker 7: to me, it's very it's very depressing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I don't want this to be

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Speaker 1: too naval gazing, but it is certainly important, and it's

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about too, is important for people to understand,

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Speaker 1: like you were talking about there with incentives and incentives

586
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Speaker 1: do obviously matter. And this is way bigger than Rogan

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Speaker 1: because it's not just about him. It's so Trump has

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Speaker 1: been on a million of these podcasts. In fact, the

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Speaker 1: mystifying part to me is whenever he does much much

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Speaker 1: smaller podcasts and you're like, Okay, this is literally just

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Speaker 1: so you can feel good while you're talking. That's that's different.

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Speaker 1: Like here I see the strategy with the rest planet Tyris,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 6: All right?

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Speaker 1: So stick you know, sticking with that and just that

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Speaker 1: general like theme of adversarial questions, incentives and all that

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Speaker 1: I always tell people too, you know, in terms of

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Speaker 1: why that matters. And we saw a lot of that

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Speaker 1: during that whole insanity around Lauren Chen and the Russia situation,

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Speaker 1: just about standards and like how you you know people.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, just to refresh people's mind. That was the tenant

602
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Speaker 7: media things where Lauren Chen was knowing, knowingly taking like

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Speaker 7: some Russian government money and then lying to a bunch

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Speaker 7: of creators like Dave Rubin and timpoole that this was

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Speaker 7: some like French businessman or whatever, Eduardo Gregorian or whatever

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Speaker 7: his name was, and they like, okay, I'll take them

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Speaker 7: at their word. They didn't know that this wasn't some

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Speaker 7: random French businessman. But the very fact that you would

609
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Speaker 7: be like, sure, I'll just take in millions of dollars

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Speaker 7: in certain cases for doing very little work and not

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Speaker 7: ask any questions shows you how much like shady, sleaziness

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Speaker 7: and lack of scruples there is in the business in general.

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Speaker 1: Right, last thing I wanted to show here was this

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Speaker 1: UFO clip, not just about UFOs, but was about the

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Speaker 1: JFK files as well, and it revealed importantly what you

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Speaker 1: talked about, Crystal, about the Mike Pompeio connection and kind

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Speaker 1: of how that worked with government. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Of interested in the people coming from space?

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Speaker 4: You know, yes, and I know you're interested, oh.

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Speaker 3: Very interested in that. How much do they tell you

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Speaker 3: about that?

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Speaker 4: A lot?

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Speaker 3: Really? Well, they tell you how much can you tell you?

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Speaker 3: So how's that work? Because it's like super top secret?

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Speaker 5: Tell me well, based on Hunter Biden, I can say

626
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Speaker 5: whatever the hell now, But I interviewed a few people

627
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Speaker 5: it's never been my thing. I have to be honest,

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Speaker 5: I have never been a believer. I have people that

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Speaker 5: Area fifty one or whatever it is. I think it's

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Speaker 5: a number one tourist attraction in the whole country or something.

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Speaker 4: Area fifty one.

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Speaker 3: You know that, Sure, I know what it is.

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Speaker 5: It's a big tour secment. So I interviewed jet pilots

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Speaker 5: that say they saw a something. If you saw them,

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Speaker 5: you'd love to have them ass.

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Speaker 2: I've had a couple in here, Commander David Fraver, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I had him and who had that sighting in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and four, very very compelling with visual, visual, video evidence,

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Speaker 2: radar evidence.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe his name, but I jet pilots that.

641
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Speaker 5: Were solid people, perfect, I mean, great pilots, and they

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Speaker 5: said we saw things, sure that we're very strange.

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Speaker 4: Like a round ball. But it wasn't a comet or

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Speaker 4: a meteor. It was something.

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Speaker 5: And it was going four times faster than an F

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Speaker 5: twenty two, which is a very fast plant.

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Speaker 1: You know. Okay, that was just the UFO section. I

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Speaker 1: guess I hadn't pulled that full clip. But there was

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Speaker 1: also a JFK section part of that specifically where they taught.

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Speaker 1: He was like, well, why didn't you release the JFK

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Speaker 1: files And he was like, well, Mike Pompeo and a

652
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Speaker 1: few other people called me the only interesting part on

653
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Speaker 1: the jf cancer is he said, well, there's addresses, and

654
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Speaker 1: some of these people are still alive. And I was like,

655
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Speaker 1: what some of these people still be alive in terms

656
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Speaker 1: of the main conspirators, right, I mean this was it

657
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Speaker 1: was nineteen sixty three, Like how I mean, theoretically, I

658
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Speaker 1: guess it would be extraordinarily old. But anyway, he said,

659
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Speaker 1: he was like, well, this time around you I.

660
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Speaker 6: Can pull it up if you want.

661
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Speaker 4: I got it.

662
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Speaker 6: Yeah, hold on, let me.

663
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Speaker 7: Pull up that part because the first while I'm pulling

664
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Speaker 7: it up, what did you make of the UFO part?

665
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Speaker 7: I mean to be, I have a rule of thumb.

666
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Speaker 7: This is a Kyle and I rule of thumb. Every

667
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Speaker 7: time he tells the story, that's.

668
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Speaker 6: Like, sir, I'll tell you, yeah, every.

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Speaker 7: Time it starts with sir, it's a lie, Like you're

670
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Speaker 7: just making this up right now?

671
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Speaker 3: Really?

672
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Speaker 6: Yes?

673
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, I will say that's the first time I've

674
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Speaker 1: ever heard of this so called the so called interview

675
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Speaker 1: with jet pilots I hope it did happen. I hope

676
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Speaker 1: more of those jet pilots can come out be disc

677
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Speaker 1: classified and speak to people. I mean, the unfortunate part

678
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Speaker 1: for me was just like I'll believe it when I

679
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: see it. So if I recall with Trump, there was

680
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Speaker 1: this whole thing. People probably don't even remember this, but

681
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Speaker 1: it was FISA D classification, and there was this Trump

682
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Speaker 1: pledged to do. Fis a de classification. Okay, here we.

683
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Speaker 3: Go, let's listen to it.

684
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Speaker 6: You can finish.

685
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Speaker 1: God, So fi's a declassification. And it was like Trump

686
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Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to do it anything, you know.

687
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Speaker 1: We just kept waiting and waiting, and I was covering

688
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Speaker 1: the wine house. We would ask the secretary when isis

689
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Speaker 1: the classification going to happen? And this and this, this,

690
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Speaker 1: and then finally it just like never happened, and a

691
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Speaker 1: lot of it came back to exactly this whole Mike

692
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Speaker 1: Pompeo thing. In my opinion, I mean, it's kind of

693
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Speaker 1: like with everything with the executive unless the executive really

694
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Speaker 1: really wants something to happen and is willing to follow

695
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Speaker 1: through on that every single day for his presidency until

696
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Speaker 1: it finally does. Then it's not going to happen in

697
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Speaker 1: terms of the deep state.

698
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Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean, he could have done last time

699
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Speaker 7: he did it, He could have done the files.

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Speaker 1: He claims he said this time that he will do

701
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Speaker 1: it now. Hopefully at this point he's.

702
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Speaker 7: Been prim tell him not to again. Could be My hope.

703
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Speaker 1: Would be that this time that you've had enough people

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Speaker 1: and he's had enough times that he said it on

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Speaker 1: the record that he might do it, So that would

706
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Speaker 1: have at the I have a little bit more hope

707
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Speaker 1: than I did last time, but not as much some

708
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Speaker 1: people do.

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Speaker 6: Okay, let's let me I'll play I'll play this part. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that I wanted to talk to

711
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Speaker 2: you about is the JFK files.

712
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Speaker 3: And one of the things that you.

713
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Speaker 2: Said was that if they showed you what they showed me,

714
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Speaker 2: this was your quote, you wouldn't want people that know

715
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Speaker 2: it either.

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Speaker 4: So I opened them up. Partially. I was met with

717
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Speaker 4: from good people.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, look, I mean good people, people

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Speaker 5: that were well meeting.

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Speaker 4: Mike Pompeo was one of them. He's a good person. Uh.

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Speaker 5: They called me, they said, Sarah would rather have you

722
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Speaker 5: not after and I did open him, but I was

723
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Speaker 5: asked by some people not to open them. There's a

724
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Speaker 5: Martin Luther King file too, by the way, that they'd

725
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Speaker 5: like to see. I don't know if you know, but

726
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Speaker 5: there is that. But but JFK in particular, So they

727
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Speaker 5: called me. A lot of good people called me people

728
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Speaker 5: that I you know that you would find reasonable.

729
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Speaker 4: People, and they asked me not to do it.

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Speaker 5: So I said, well, we'll close it for another time,

731
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Speaker 5: but if I went, I'm going to open them up.

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Speaker 5: I'm just going to open enough. A lot of times

733
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Speaker 5: addresses people that are still living. They are ap people

734
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Speaker 5: that are affected, and there could be some national security

735
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Speaker 5: reason that for you know that I don't have to

736
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Speaker 5: necessarily know about. But some very good, talented people asked

737
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Speaker 5: me not to do it. I opened it up, and

738
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Speaker 5: then they said, would it be possible for us to

739
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Speaker 5: do that a different day.

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Speaker 3: How much of it did you read into.

741
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Speaker 5: I think it's going to be just fine to open it.

742
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Speaker 5: Let me put it that way. I think it's fine.

743
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Speaker 5: It's going to be time. It's a cleansing, you know,

744
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Speaker 5: it's truly a cleansing.

745
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Speaker 4: So I'm going to do it.

746
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Speaker 5: I'm going to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office.

747
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Speaker 3: Well, the thing when people look at it from the outside.

748
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Speaker 7: All right, So anyway, what do you make of that?

749
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Speaker 7: Because to me, I'm just I know people are like

750
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Speaker 7: reading a lot and as well, he said there's addresses

751
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Speaker 7: and people are still alive. I just think he's making

752
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Speaker 7: it up, Like I think he's just coming up with

753
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Speaker 7: an excuse for why he didn't do the thing last time.

754
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Speaker 7: And the real reason probably is something more like like

755
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Speaker 7: well like Pompeo's that I know that is the real reason.

756
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want look, he said he would do it.

757
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Speaker 1: Let's let's hold his feet to the fire. If he wins,

758
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Speaker 1: let's get it done. Because it's funny, you.

759
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 7: Know, because because the Mega Movement is really good at

760
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Speaker 7: holding Trump's feet to the fire over his failed promise.

761
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Speaker 1: And we'll try, we'll try our best. I'll bring it

762
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Speaker 1: back to Jefferson Morley, who, Yeah, when we interviewed him,

763
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Speaker 1: we were like why why And he's like, it's just

764
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: all narrative. It's just that they can't have the information

765
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Speaker 1: out there about the direct CIA involvement. I don't think

766
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Speaker 1: it has to do with addresses or people alive, you know,

767
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Speaker 1: Like he said, he's really is about mythos and about

768
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Speaker 1: how the CIA and how foundational, you know, the assassination

769
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Speaker 1: is to like the American myth and how they don't want,

770
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Speaker 1: you know, the the imagery of the CIA to be diminished.

771
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Speaker 8: Now.

772
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Speaker 1: I mean the ridiculous part is that everybody knows, Like

773
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Speaker 1: if you were to ask people, you know, the vast

774
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Speaker 1: majority of Americans believe that it was a conspiracy. They

775
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Speaker 1: believed it at the time, they still believe it today.

776
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Speaker 1: If anything, they know even more than they've ever known.

777
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll see, Uh, we'll see if it happens

778
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: this time around.

779
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Speaker 6: The last thing I wanted to show.

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Speaker 7: I don't know, Sagara if you have it or I

781
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 7: can pull it up, But is the I think it's

782
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 7: reflecting on because I actually think there were some real

783
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 7: insights here from Rogan when he was asked by Lex

784
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 7: Friedman previously if you would interview Trump, and he was like,

785
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 7: absolutely not. And I actually Lex to his car was like, no,

786
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 7: You're gonna do it. And you know, I suspect that

787
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 7: Rogan was reluctant to do it. But then once you

788
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 7: see you know, the Ovon and all these other people

789
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 7: doing it, saying all right, well whatever I guess this

790
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 7: is just what we're doing now. But in any case,

791
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Speaker 7: let's let's take a listen to this clip of how

792
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Speaker 7: he previous.

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Speaker 3: Trump supporter in any way, shape or form. I've had

794
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: the opportunity to have him on my show more than once.

795
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: I've said no every time.

796
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Speaker 1: I don't want to help him.

797
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: I'm not interested in helping the Knight is still young.

798
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: We'll see if I have mon the Night is still young.

799
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Speaker 3: You think I'll have I think you'll have them one. Really,

800
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 3: why do you think that? Because you'll have Putina on.

801
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 9: And you're competitive as fuck? No, I think ultimately, I

802
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 9: mean you had You've had a lot of people that

803
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Speaker 9: I think you might. You may otherwise be skeptical. Would

804
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 9: I have a good conversation, which I think is geometric?

805
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 9: You don't care about politics, so can I have a

806
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 9: good conversation? And I think you had like people, people

807
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 9: like Kanye on for example, and you had a great

808
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 9: conversation with him. I think you I think, uh.

809
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Speaker 3: But Kanye is an artist.

810
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 8: But Kanye doing well or not doing well doesn't change

811
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 8: the course of our country.

812
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, but you know, do you really bear the responsibility

813
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 9: of the course of our country based on a conversation.

814
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 8: I think you can revitalize and rehabilitate someone's image in

815
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 8: a way that is pretty shocking.

816
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: All right, that's the end.

817
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 7: So yeah, what do you make of that, because I mean,

818
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Speaker 7: I think he's I think he's pretty accurate there, Like

819
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Speaker 7: you say, I don't want to help them. I mean,

820
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 7: I think, for one thing, you know, Joe's politics have shifted, Like,

821
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 7: you know, the guy who was like, I'll vote for

822
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 7: Bernie Sanders is now like just pretty partisan, like pro

823
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 7: Trump guy and happy RFK juniors in that camp and whatever.

824
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 6: So that's one thing.

825
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 7: But but yeah, I mean I think he was correct

826
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Speaker 7: there that you look at Trump's approval rating now, it's

827
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Speaker 7: the highest it's ever been. And I've been skeptical of

828
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 7: how much these podcast appearances will actually like move voters

829
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Speaker 7: that are watching, like in the audience, like young men,

830
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 7: you know, many of whom probably just aren't really going

831
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Speaker 7: to vote. They might they might be like, yeah, Trump's school,

832
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 7: but then are they going to actually vote, Like I'm

833
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 7: a little skeptical of it from that perspective, I'm not

834
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 7: skeptical of the benefit is provided him in terms of

835
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 7: raising his approval rating and undercutting the messaging of like,

836
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 7: you know, rehabbing him post January sixth, and undercutting the

837
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Speaker 7: messaging of like this is a dangerous person to put

838
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 7: back in the White House. I think on that front,

839
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 7: it has already been profoundly successful. And I think Joe

840
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Speaker 7: is you know now also just accepted his part in

841
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Speaker 7: playing a role in that rehabilitation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you interested, if you if you listen, there

843
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: are a couple things that he says, and he said

844
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Speaker 1: he changed his mind after Trump got shot, and he

845
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: also said it's because of Dana White. That's the number

846
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Speaker 1: one reason that this is happening. So clearly there wasn't

847
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Speaker 1: a major effort from Dana behind the scenes to get Trump. Dana,

848
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: by the way, doesn't get enough. It's funny if you

849
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: look at the genesis of this podcast stuff, it's all

850
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Speaker 1: Dana White. So, for example, Dana was the one who

851
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Speaker 1: Trump told Trump to do the NLK Boys, which I

852
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Speaker 1: believe is the very first podcast that Trump ever did.

853
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: This was back in twenty twenty two if you listen

854
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Speaker 1: to Trump with Aiden Ross. So Dana and Aiden Ross

855
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Speaker 1: have gambled before together in previous interviews, and Dana and

856
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: apparently Barren as well. We're the two who were like,

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Speaker 1: you gotta do this, And obviously Dana and Job been

858
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: friends for twenty three years and this was clearly an

859
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: area of disagreement or whatever behind them. I also think,

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00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: you know, you can't underestimate the fact we just brought

861
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: up with Theovonne like it's not novel at this point.

862
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: For like, this isn't the only podcast Trump's done. I

863
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: believe that this is eighth or ninth. Obviously it's the

864
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Speaker 1: biggest one, but it could be the one that more

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Speaker 1: most people pay attention to than any others. But within

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Speaker 1: the context and specifically because these guys are all friends

867
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Speaker 1: with each other, this is not outside of the norm

868
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: out of all of those podcast interviews. So that's like

869
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: the last part. But then, yeah, I mean I think

870
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: part of it too. And I guess, to Joe's credit,

871
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: he said, I want to have Kamala Harrison, you know,

872
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: and so he's like, look, you know, if I'm going

873
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: to do Trump, it seems that he obviously extended a

874
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: you know, like a Olive branch or whatever to Kamala

875
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: to have her on, And I guess I'll just close

876
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: with it. I hope she does it. I don't think

877
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: that she will, but I do hope that she does.

878
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: And so you know, you know, it's it is difficult.

879
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: And we've talked to him about this, like he never

880
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: necessarily wanted to be a role which could move the

881
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: country or whatever. He slowly found himself there, and I

882
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: think maybe he's just shifted his mind of like, yeah,

883
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm in this position.

884
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 7: It is what it is, right, Yeah, I just listen.

885
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 7: I think that, as I said before, since this podcast strategy,

886
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 7: you know, whether it's Alex Cooper or Theovon or Andrew Schultzer,

887
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 7: Joe Rogan or Shannon Sharp or whoever the hell it is,

888
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 7: on whatever side of the aisle they're on, Like, if

889
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 7: this is going to be the bulk of the questioning

890
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 7: and insight that we get into candidates, you do have

891
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 7: some responsibility here, Like as much as you want to

892
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 7: be like I'm just a you know, an influencer, an athlete,

893
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 7: a comedian, whatever you know, or like a whatever you

894
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 7: want to call Alex Cooper, I guess, like a cultural

895
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 7: figure well or influencer, yeah, influencer. I mean, as much

896
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 7: as you want to hide behind that of like, oh, well,

897
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 7: no one should expect me. It's like, well, we kind

898
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 7: of have to rely on you because this is all

899
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 7: we're getting. So you do have to take on if

900
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 7: you're going to interview Kamala, if you're going to interview Trump,

901
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 7: you do have to take on some level of responsibility

902
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 7: of like this is in terms of our like brittle,

903
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 7: broken down, depressing democratic process. This is kind of all

904
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 7: we're getting. So it does put maybe an unfair burden,

905
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 7: but it does put an onus on you to do

906
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 7: your best to you know, to get insights and to

907
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 7: be a little adversarial and to push them in areas

908
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 7: where they're not comfortable, especially like you know, you got

909
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 7: three hours of this man's time. How precious is his time?

910
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 7: How who was the last I mean, when has he

911
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 7: ever given anyone three hours of time?

912
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 6: And this is it? Like you said this, he's probably

913
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 6: not going to do anything else. Yeah, the election, I.

914
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: Think is that this is probably the last one.

915
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 7: So this is your last chance to you know, get

916
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 7: from him, Like what what are you going to do?

917
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 7: And what about the failures of last time? And what

918
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 7: about the Middle East? And yeah, you say none of

919
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 7: it would have happened, but like, okay, it did so

920
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 7: what now and so anyway, That's what I would say,

921
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 7: is like, as much as it would be nice to

922
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 7: just kick back and be like, let's chill and have

923
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 7: a conversation, I think because of the direction that they

924
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 7: I'm under no illusions that any of any of these

925
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 7: influencers or whatever are going to shift their approach, because

926
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 7: all the incentives are in the direction of doing the

927
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 7: like you know, softball, let's hang out interview. It's easier,

928
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 7: your audience likes it more, and you're more likely to

929
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 7: get the candidates back. But I do think it's it's

930
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 7: depressing and unfortunate and is further degradation of like our

931
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 7: democratic process and the ability of voters to assess who

932
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 7: they're voting for.

933
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: I aw say, it's a tough position, especially if never

934
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: had any experience doing this. You know, you and I

935
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: came up in a more traditional background, so you know,

936
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: you get kind of used to it, like in terms

937
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: of pressing people, Oh so and so, Senator so and

938
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: so is pissed off you, Okay, whatever, don't be a senator.

939
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: Then you know it's one of those where yeah, it's weird.

940
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: Trust me. It takes years of social conditioning to be

941
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: able to push past that, and you need a certain

942
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: personality type. And like you said, it's also not necessarily

943
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: fair to expect people maybe who've been acting or doing

944
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: like this for a lifetime and now are suddenly thrust

945
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: into the position. So I do sympathize it's a very

946
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: difficult kind of position to be in. And yeah, finally,

947
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, really what I would say, And this is

948
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: to our audience as well and to everybody else who

949
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: is out there. Is part of the issue with podcasts

950
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: of people who are non political. It is conditioned people

951
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 1: to think that you should quote let people talk, which

952
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: is fine. My general theory is if you're an author

953
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: or whatever, yeah, like the stakes they're not that high.

954
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: But when you're a politician, I do think you should

955
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: have fundamentally different standards, and specifically for when people are

956
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: running for president. And part of the issue is that

957
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: people will listen to a podcast or even maybe an

958
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: interview that you or I have done with others where

959
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: you just kind of like let them talk, like whatever,

960
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 1: because again, the stakes are not necessarily all that high,

961
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: but it should be very different. And there were different

962
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: expectations for politicians that were there in the past and

963
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: if it's complimentary, it's fine. I have no issue with it,

964
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: like you said, But I don't think that. I do

965
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: think that there are way too many people out there

966
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: who only want to see this type of interview. And

967
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: by the way, that doesn't work for you at all.

968
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: It really doesn't, because you know, just flip it around

969
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: and say for the person you don't like. You know,

970
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: when I watch you know, that Alex Cooper thing or

971
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: whatever with Comma, I'm like, what the fuck am I

972
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: getting out of this?

973
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 7: Like yeah, but I mean I feel the same way

974
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 7: watching that. It's like, Okay, well this is like just

975
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 7: a propaganda puff piece, waste of time, you know. Yeah,

976
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 7: she's gotten much more difficult questions. Even the ladies of

977
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 7: the view gave her more difficult questions then I've seen

978
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 7: thrown at either candidate in like the podcast setting space.

979
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 7: So yeah, I mean, if if it's part of a

980
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 7: broader thing and then you can just like have the

981
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 7: conversation and see see who they are on the inside,

982
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 7: that's one thing. But that's not that's not where we are,

983
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 7: and it's only going to go more in this direction.

984
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 7: It's because if you're a politician and there's no public

985
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 7: pressure on you to do otherwise, Why would you, like,

986
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 7: why would you, as Kamala Harris, subject yourself to potentially

987
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 7: difficult questioning from Joe Rogan and a hostile audience. Why

988
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 7: would you do that outside of some you know, narrow

989
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 7: tactical goal of proving that you can. For most politicians,

990
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 7: we already see this trend like they'll just go on

991
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 7: the partisan networks and friendly podcast circuits and never really

992
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 7: get pressed. And that's that's just more and more of

993
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 7: the direction that we're heading in. And now we've basically

994
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 7: normalized having effectively no debates as well, so you know,

995
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 7: that's that's where we are, all.

996
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: Right, Buckle up, folks, ten days ago to the election.

997
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: We will see you all on Monday.