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Speaker 1: I like you post Malone and Doja cat Um. Former

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Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary for President Biden, Jen Saki is joining.

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Speaker 1: She's got a new role UM on TV that we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about in a second. You'll see that tonight for

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Speaker 1: the State of the Union. But it's so nice to

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Speaker 1: meet you, so nice to meet you too. We're just

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Speaker 1: like we watched you on television for so long. We

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Speaker 1: feel like we had so long, maybe longer than you've

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Speaker 1: have to tell I just I'm I'm so impressed with

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Speaker 1: um the role that you executed so well um on

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Speaker 1: on a daily basis, that we got to see unfold,

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Speaker 1: and just as a as a person that stands in

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Speaker 1: front of people to do something that's completely mindless, to

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Speaker 1: see what you did under the pressure you did it,

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Speaker 1: I just don't know how human being does it. I'm

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Speaker 1: so curious to know a little bit about what life

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Speaker 1: is like when you are the press secretary at the

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Speaker 1: White House. Do you like it's in the evening after

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Speaker 1: your I don't know, your kids are in bed and

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Speaker 1: you've had something to eat. Now what well, after my

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Speaker 1: kids are in bed and I've had something to eat.

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Speaker 1: I either watch a show on television that I just

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Speaker 1: need to stream because I need something mindless that has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with politics. Right now, I'm super into

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Speaker 1: Um Yellowstone. I'm a little a few years behind on that,

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Speaker 1: but my husband and I watched the first few episodes

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Speaker 1: one of million awards, so we're watching that. I'm also

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Speaker 1: a huge reader. I just do something that's a little mindless.

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Speaker 1: But when you're when you're active as a press secretary

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Speaker 1: or you have to check we check our phones because

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Speaker 1: we just feel like we have to check our phones

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Speaker 1: to see what we're talking about. How often you check

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Speaker 1: your phone all the time? I mean, it's an addiction.

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Speaker 1: You almost can't get away from it. I every day

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Speaker 1: that I was in the job as press secretary, I

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Speaker 1: sometime in the fives, I would say, sometimes five, sometimes

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Speaker 1: first thing I would do is look at my phone

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Speaker 1: and see what happened overnight, what happened in the world.

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Speaker 1: Because in that job, you're speaking for what's happening in

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Speaker 1: the country, but also, uh, you know what's happening anywhere

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Speaker 1: US is doing, so you need to know. So that

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Speaker 1: was the first thing I did, even before coffee, and

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Speaker 1: I'm a coffee addict. Well, how about the balloon. I

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Speaker 1: was thinking like, wow, that would have been an interesting

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Speaker 1: day to be talking about the balloon in there, right

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Speaker 1: for sure. I mean, so that the balloon which feels

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Speaker 1: like it's the Chinese balloon, which we all know. It

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Speaker 1: feels like it's the makings of an episode of a show.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know Jack or I've also been watching

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Speaker 1: somehows in the air hanging on the balloon something while

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Speaker 1: would happen. Um, but yes, exactly, And that's a scenario

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Speaker 1: that the Chinese balloon where one uh, they didn't know

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Speaker 1: everything that was happening in the White House at the time.

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Speaker 1: There were meetings I'm certain in the situation room where

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Speaker 1: things you can say publicly. So when you're speaking on behalf,

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Speaker 1: doesn't always mean you know everything, because sometimes these things

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Speaker 1: I'm just fascinated by all of the detail of it.

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Speaker 1: And honestly, yeah, I will say I, um my binder

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Speaker 1: a believer whatever priority you're from, people who are working

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Speaker 1: amazing work of these good citizens, some who have worked

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Speaker 1: Kinsaki with us a former press secretary at the White House,

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Speaker 1: and again we we commend you on it is it

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Speaker 1: just seems like such a high pressure jobs. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for all the information you gave us over the time

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Speaker 1: you were there. Now I'm your part of tonight's special

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Speaker 1: This seems like a little less pressure. This role just

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Speaker 1: different pressure, right, Okay, but yes, less pressure. It's very

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Speaker 1: different because I was a part of writing and working

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Speaker 1: on the State of the Unions for so many years,

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Speaker 1: and for the first time I will be reading it

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Speaker 1: and hearing it along with everybody else. So um, there

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Speaker 1: I also won't know what it what's in there, and

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Speaker 1: so I will be listening, I'll be hearing along with

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Speaker 1: till the moment Joe Biden speaks the words out of

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Speaker 1: his mouth, It is not final, No, completely true. And I,

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Speaker 1: because I've worked on a lot of these, presidents are

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Speaker 1: always tinkering with them and changing words or adding I

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Speaker 1: I could talk to you for days about all of them.

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Speaker 1: You too, I have lots of questions Ryan for You'll

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Speaker 1: do everything. You work on a lot of pressure on

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Speaker 1: changing these up until the last minute. Discounted that drum

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Speaker 1: to pause before reads results. Well, we can't wait to

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Speaker 1: NBC by Pacific eight Eastern. And let's have you back because, um,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk more. I'd love to come back. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Congratulations again. Um, I have like getting nervous talking to

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Speaker 1: people who do that for a living. Serious job is

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Speaker 1: so yes, serious job. I have serious job. Impostor syndrome. Interesting, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: My that's a real job. So I get excited. But

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious anybody that does anything and any administration

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Speaker 1: at any time, at any level of the White House

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Speaker 1: to meets fascinating or the CIA, Like I could geek

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Speaker 1: chiefs as well, Like how you get to that level?

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Speaker 1: Like at one point in her life did she decide

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