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Speaker 1: Good Inting, America, and welcome to the Tuesday edition of

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Speaker 1: Justin News. No noise. We fold you there. We put

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Speaker 1: a different bump range just for this morning, just to

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Speaker 1: see if you were paying attention. All right, I'm your

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Speaker 1: Hostjohn Solomon, reporting you guys always from the Nation's capital, Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: A busy, busy day. We're going to get you up

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Speaker 1: to speed in all the headlines. Let's start with Russia Gate.

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Speaker 1: The investigation is evolving quickly, and we hear at Justin

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Speaker 1: News have more info for you on this, this time

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Speaker 1: involving former acting CI director Mark Werel. Well, remember a

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Speaker 1: year or two ago we broke the story right here

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Speaker 1: on this show that Mike Morell was the guy that

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Speaker 1: organized the Hunderbiden laptop yep, saying that it was Russian

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Speaker 1: disinformation when it wasn't you know all about that? Well,

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Speaker 1: guess what our good reporter Jerry Dunleavy and I dug

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Speaker 1: up some new stuff. Guess what. It turns out that

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Speaker 1: Mike moral was also the guy out there in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: he had just stepped down as acting CIA director and

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Speaker 1: Deputy director of the CIA, and he's out there pushing

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Speaker 1: the Russia Russian collusion hoaks for Hillary Clinton. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he used the most forward leaning language of anybody during

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Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen election. He actually said that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: was likely a Cremlin agent. It's a little bit further

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Speaker 1: than most other people, and even further than what Christopher

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Speaker 1: Steele said in his now debunked dussiid. But there he

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Speaker 1: is in the middle of it, and this helps us

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Speaker 1: all understand something really important. The same actors keep showing

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Speaker 1: up in the same pattern. That's why Cash Bettel, the

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Speaker 1: FBI director, opened up the Grand Conspiracy case in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton has a problem she wants to get rid of.

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Speaker 1: Mike Merrell jumps in and makes it about Russia. Twenty

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's got a problem with Hunter Biden in his laptop,

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Speaker 1: and Mike Merrell jumps in again and makes that case.

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Speaker 1: That is why these things are connected, why we're spending

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Speaker 1: so much time on this show describing its significance. More

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Speaker 1: and more it becomes clear that the intelligence and law

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Speaker 1: enforcement apparatus of the United States were used to carry

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Speaker 1: out a political dirty trick, something that had not happened

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Speaker 1: in American's history. By the way, Nixon tried to do

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Speaker 1: it once in Watergate. In the second it came out

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Speaker 1: that the CIA was asked to maybe thwart this FBI.

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Speaker 1: Republicans turned on Richard Dixon, Weiner, Democrats going to turn

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Speaker 1: on Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden will see. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that question. To our first guest, We got devenue

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Speaker 1: as a House Intelligence Committee chairman here. Before we turn

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Speaker 1: to that, one more piece of news. House Overside Committee

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Speaker 1: Chairman James Comer issued subpoenas today and there's some big

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Speaker 1: names on the list. This is for Jeffrey Epstein, Evidence,

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Speaker 1: Hillary and mill Clinton. They're on the list. So we're

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Speaker 1: three former attorney generals and two former FBI directors. This

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Speaker 1: is one of the biggest lists of names we've seen

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Speaker 1: at any time for subpoenaing folks. We have more of

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Speaker 1: that at justinews dot com. An incredible time now to

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Speaker 1: turn to my amazing coost a menhead, You've got a

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Speaker 1: lot of other news you've been watching today, right, You've

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Speaker 1: been at the White House all day? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, And as I looked at yours and Jerry Dunleevey's reporting,

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Speaker 2: it's almost like Mike Morrell has a boilerplate trump Man

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Speaker 2: bad letter. Yeah, they wrote in twenty sixteen toward and

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Speaker 2: by the way, this same type numbers it was fifty

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Speaker 2: It's like, I'm telling you, it's like this guy has

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Speaker 2: a boiler. Who else does he set letters about?

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Speaker 1: Swap the swap the details skill?

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Speaker 2: All right, So I want to stay on the Russiagate

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Speaker 2: grand jury story for just a moment because I couldn't

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Speaker 2: It's almost like points memo went around. Check it out.

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Speaker 3: These are unsubstantiated and largely debunked allegations by the Trump

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Speaker 3: administration that former President Barack Obama and his aides in

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Speaker 3: the intelligence community ordered a probe into the twenty sixteen

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Speaker 3: Trump campaign's connections to Russia to ruin his chances of

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Speaker 4: Up these unsubstantiated claims about the role he argues former

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Speaker 4: President Obama had in the twenty sixteen election. But it

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Speaker 5: One thing that Trump administration is trying to do is

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Speaker 6: They believe that there's no evidence to support that.

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Speaker 7: It's likely they're going to put it in Florida, which

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Speaker 1: So again, this looks like weaponization.

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Speaker 2: What I tell you last night, I said, that's what

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Speaker 2: debunked Russian collusion narrative. It's absolutely amazing. And John, I

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Speaker 2: just keep thinking to myself, that's fine if you want

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Speaker 1: And those are the same media that Tota's Russia collusion

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Speaker 1: you can't make this stuff up, folks. That's why Real

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Speaker 1: America's voice, just the news, truth social are all thriving today.

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Speaker 1: People can get truth around the legacy media who now

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Speaker 1: miss lead us. And we're very lucky to be joined

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Speaker 1: at the top of the show by a person who

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Speaker 1: is instrumental in unraveling Russia collusion. He was instrumental and

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Speaker 1: protecting free speech by helping President Trump create the Truth

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Speaker 1: chronicling here. He's the chairman of the President's Intelligence Advisory Board,

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Speaker 1: former House Intelligence Committee Chairman, current CEO of the Trump

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Speaker 7: Good to have you back on there. Great to be

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Speaker 7: back with you guys. All right, sorry, I'm not there

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Speaker 7: in person. I know last time you were here, real

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Speaker 7: I hate to actually correct your reporting or add or

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Speaker 7: a trivia question for you. So, Mike Morrell, who you

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Speaker 2: I know?

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Speaker 1: All right, So I've got I got the letter. And

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Speaker 1: now Hillary Clinton's the Russia coclusion? Which one did I miss?

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Speaker 7: So Morell was the one who covered Leeby's the deputy

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Speaker 7: thirteen years ago or whatever it's been. And he was

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Speaker 7: this guy has a long history of using his positions

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Speaker 1: I love that A good one, all right. I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you about that media sizzle that Amanda just played,

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Speaker 1: because none of what happened in the last decade would

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Speaker 7: Am I missing some Well, you have to remember you

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Speaker 7: The legacy media in this country is solely owned by

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Speaker 7: By the way, it's now global, so anywhere you go

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Speaker 7: So we're bifurcated in this in this country with what

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Speaker 7: I mean even recently, just in the Trump administration, you

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Speaker 7: This has been criminal activity that has been ongoing. If

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Speaker 2: A congressman, I loved John's very very keen comparison to

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Speaker 7: Well, not only that, John, it also is I think

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Speaker 1: You have the Congress completely.

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Speaker 7: You know, I was running a China investigation for many,

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Speaker 7: And I say this because I don't believe that Putin

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Speaker 7: This gets fixed, I believe, is if people are held

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Speaker 1: Well, Grand jury is now going to be looking at that.

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Speaker 1: the other soon. Congressman, has always a great honor to

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Speaker 7: John, Next time, I won't correct you as many time.

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Speaker 1: It's okay. I liked it. It was fun, good stuff.

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Speaker 1: All right, folks, were gonna take a quicker bus for

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Speaker 8: That next after these messages, welcome back everybody to just

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Speaker 2: The Department of Justice made a huge move yesterday to

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Speaker 2: is Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at the US

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice. Her meet Dylan. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: How infectious was DEI in the government before Trump took over,

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Speaker 6: How bad was it?

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Speaker 9: Well, ob sessive laws passed by Congress and then bad

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so important, man, You mentioned Voting Rights, and I

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Speaker 9: so I think this is very interesting. You can see

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Speaker 9: that from the extreme reaction of certain people that they

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Speaker 9: are very concerned. And you've seen members of Congress come out,

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Speaker 9: and you've seen Governor Gavin Newsom from my former state

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Speaker 9: of California come out and trol governors of other states

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Speaker 9: over this, that this is an existential threat to the

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Speaker 9: seats that have been jerrymandered or minority congressional candidates who

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Speaker 9: get in there and then keep them for years.

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Speaker 6: And some of these districts stretch two hundred.

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Speaker 9: Miles and they go around multiple counties, and they cross

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Speaker 9: bodies of water, and they violate concepts in the voting

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Speaker 9: rights laws that have to do with compactness of districts,

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Speaker 9: contiguity of discs, and respect for political subdivisions. For example,

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Speaker 9: the types of lines that are drawn for state legislative districts.

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Speaker 9: These congressional monster districts that look like snakes, and they,

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Speaker 9: I mean, they're really quite ridiculous. And so the Supreme

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Speaker 9: Court is actually going to be taking up this issue

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Speaker 9: in one step further than the analysis I did for

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Speaker 9: that letter. And so really a lot is at stake

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Speaker 9: here in this voting rights area.

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Speaker 1: Huge.

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Speaker 2: I was at the White House about an hour ago

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Speaker 2: and President Trump was asked about this very issue, and

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Speaker 2: the question was posed to him, is it worth it

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Speaker 2: for Republicans to win out on this argument in Texas

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Speaker 2: and Republicans get five more electoral votes and seats in Congress,

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Speaker 2: or you have these other states, like you said, California, Massachusetts,

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Speaker 2: Illinois champing at the bit to Jerrymander even more so,

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Speaker 2: how do you reconcile that?

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Speaker 9: Well, that's a very interesting question. I don't know how

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Speaker 9: it's going to shake out. And that's actually not my

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Speaker 9: job in the Civil Rights Division. My job in the

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Speaker 9: Civil Rights Division.

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Speaker 6: Is non part is.

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Speaker 9: It is to understand and enforce the federal voting rights laws.

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Speaker 9: And so Justice Thomas's dissent from the recent punting of

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Speaker 9: a particular case that is now the center of attention here,

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Speaker 9: Louisiana versus Cala, really very sharply calls and to focus

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Speaker 9: the fact that the Court's interpretation of Section two of

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Speaker 9: the Voting Rights Act, which enables and some would say requires,

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Speaker 9: racial gerrymandering all over the United States, and not just

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Speaker 9: in Texas, in every state just about except for those

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Speaker 9: states that only have one district is directly at odds

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Speaker 9: with the Eco Protection Clause of the United States Constitution.

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Speaker 9: So it's interesting that in trying to remedy the vestiges

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Speaker 9: and the recent vestiges of slavery in our country which

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Speaker 9: brought us the equal Protection Clause, we've had these later

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Speaker 9: laws that are relying on extremely outdated concepts of now

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Speaker 9: completely banned for decades, tests like like you know, toll

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Speaker 9: taxes and literacy tests to become registered to vote. These

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Speaker 9: don't exist anymore in America, and yet we're still drawing

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Speaker 9: districts to remedy discrimination that hasn't existed for decades. And

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Speaker 9: so California may blithely betrolling other states over their lines,

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Speaker 9: but the fact is that California is rife with majority

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Speaker 9: minority districts that have been drawn their pet little districts

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Speaker 9: for some of the longest running members of Congress, and

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Speaker 9: all of these things.

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Speaker 6: Are threatened by the way whenever you get rid of these.

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Speaker 9: Types of districts, you're also of course affecting the districts

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Speaker 9: around them. And I was talking to a friend about this.

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Speaker 9: When Louisiana first passed this type of a district, they

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Speaker 9: were accused of an unholy alliance between Republicans who wanted,

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Speaker 9: you know, safe districts for themselves and you know, the

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Speaker 9: sort of civil rights lawyers who wanted safe minority districts.

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Speaker 9: You know, some would say both have safe districts in

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Speaker 9: that situation. But it's twenty twenty five in America today

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Speaker 9: and people could get elected on their merit. Nobody is

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Speaker 9: banning people are hindering people because of their race from

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Speaker 9: reaching the polls or from competing for office. And so

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Speaker 9: I think that's really the current concept is. I think

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Speaker 9: a Supreme Court's going to decide that this term, hopefully

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Speaker 9: whether as Section two of the Voting Rights Act any

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Speaker 9: longer permits or certainly requires racial jerry mandering. And so

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Speaker 9: Texas is just one example. I can tell you several

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Speaker 9: states have similar problems with their districts, and so we're

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Speaker 9: going to see a lot of this shakeout over the

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Speaker 9: coming months.

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Speaker 1: Will they be getting letters too, no comment, I think

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Speaker 1: we know what they watch for real Quickly, before we

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Speaker 1: let you go, I want to turn to something else

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Speaker 1: because we now know there's an investigation of what happened

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Speaker 1: during the twenty sixteen Russia Gate, maybe continuing all the

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Speaker 1: way into twenty twenty four. And a lot of times

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Speaker 1: I think people look at civil liberties and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's a civil issue. It only happens on the civil

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Speaker 1: side of the court system. But I know you can't

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Speaker 1: comment about the ongoing investigation, but in general, there are

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Speaker 1: instances where depriving someone of their civil liberties is a

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Speaker 1: criminal act, right, It's not just a civil enforcement.

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Speaker 6: Matter, well exactly.

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Speaker 9: And this again goes back to those Reconstruction era statutes

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Speaker 9: that sought to remedy the vestiges of racism, and we

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Speaker 9: had some terrible incidents in our country's history of law

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Speaker 9: enforcement officials conspiring to deprive African Americans of their civil rights.

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Speaker 9: And that is where some of these laws stem from.

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Speaker 9: But they're broader than that, and so it can be

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Speaker 9: a crime for government officials, either together or in conspiring

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Speaker 9: with non government officials, to violate people's civil rights. That's

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Speaker 9: also a civil violation. I've actually sued over that in

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Speaker 9: California for pro life activists, and you know, we have

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Speaker 9: long standing cases involving these issues, and so I think,

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Speaker 9: you know, government officials may think, because they nobody ever

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Speaker 9: bothers to enforce these statutes, that they're immune and they

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Speaker 9: can do whatever they want. Not so, and so I

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Speaker 9: think that's why you're seeing some people tongue in cheeks

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Speaker 9: saying that in DC is every lawyer is being retained

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Speaker 9: or retaining a lawyer themselves these days, as these investigations

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Speaker 9: have begun to hit the news wires, pretty.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, pretty amazing stuff ahead of us.

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Speaker 2: Harmine, I want to ask you about a little roun

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Speaker 2: case's not getting a ton of media attention, but I'm

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Speaker 2: sure that you've been following it. Chuck Gray, excuse me,

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Speaker 2: who serves as Wyoming Secretary of State? Just want a

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Speaker 2: big case against very well established and some would say

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Speaker 2: infamous Mark Elias, the Democrat lawyer, and they now have

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Speaker 2: what I think is the strongest US citizenship citizenship requirement

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Speaker 2: to vote in that state. Is this somewhat of a

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Speaker 2: prototype for other states and other states secretaries of state

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Speaker 2: to use in their.

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Speaker 9: Own So I was recused from that case here at

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Speaker 9: the Department of Justice because in my prior life, before

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Speaker 9: I joined the government, my law firm was actively involved

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Speaker 9: in that case.

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Speaker 6: But so now that it's over.

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Speaker 9: I think I can say I don't think anyone would

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Speaker 9: be surprised to know that As a long time election lawyer,

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Speaker 9: I fully stand in favor of election integrity, and there

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Speaker 9: are multiple reasons for that.

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Speaker 6: First of all, we don't want people cheating. But second, we.

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Speaker 9: Want all citizens of all political stripes and backgrounds to

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Speaker 9: have confidence in the outcome of elections, because we really

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Speaker 9: need that for people to pull together and work with

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Speaker 9: the government, whether whether they voted for it or not,

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Speaker 9: and feel like they're properly represented. And we don't have

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Speaker 9: that today in America. I think there's been so much

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Speaker 9: laxity that is occasioned by COVID loosening of rules that

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Speaker 9: became permanent in many states, and then just frankly laziness

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Speaker 9: on the part of many states and refusal to comply

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Speaker 9: with our federal civil rights laws that require list of

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Speaker 9: maintenance and certain procedures to be in place to help

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Speaker 9: citizens feel confident that errors are rectified.

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Speaker 6: That it's chaos. And so we are.

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Speaker 9: At the Civil Rights Division with our staff or going

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Speaker 9: through one by one writing letters to these jurisdictions asking

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Speaker 9: them to clean up their voter roles and make sure

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Speaker 9: they're complying with federal law.

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Speaker 6: But this law is something that states can do. They

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Speaker 6: don't have to do it. But states are beginning to

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Speaker 6: do this one by one. A lot of states are

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Speaker 6: doing this, and you know.

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Speaker 9: Democrats like Mark Elias activists have tried to prevent that,

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Speaker 9: saying that somehow requiring voter ID in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 9: is some kind of racism owning concept. This is ludicrous,

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Speaker 9: this is wrong, and I think you are going to

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Speaker 9: see a wave of state leaders who are and legislators

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Speaker 9: who favor election integrity and confidence of the voters in

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Speaker 9: the outcome of these elections, requiring a voter idea, and

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Speaker 9: it's a good development for democracy.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be very good to see Harmy Dillon,

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Speaker 2: Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for being here tonight. All right, everybody,

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Speaker 2: We're going to take it very quick break and we'll

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Speaker 2: be right back on the other side of these messages.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody. For those who follow my career, you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the big stories I spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: time at the Associated Press was covering the Oklahoma City

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Speaker 1: bombing and some of the unanswered questions. In fact, some

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Speaker 1: of my stories prompted the FBI to reopen the case

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Speaker 1: around the time that Timothy Meekvay was executed, not because

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Speaker 1: he didn't commit it, but because maybe other co conspirators

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Speaker 1: weren't pursued aggressively enough. We're lucky to be joined by

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Speaker 1: right now, the former news director for America's Most one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite shows, Going Up. She's an award winning

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Speaker 1: journalist and author of the new book Blowback, which takes

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Speaker 1: a closer look at the FBI's role in the nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety five Oklahoma City bombing. She is a good friend

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Speaker 1: Margaret Roberts. Margaret, good to have you on the show.

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Speaker 6: Thanks, John. Great to be here.

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Speaker 1: This is a fantastic book. Yeah, great to see you.

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Speaker 1: This is a fantastic book. I think I know a

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Speaker 1: lot about Oklahoma City. I learned a ton about things

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Speaker 1: I didn't know. This is an incredible contribution to the

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Speaker 1: record of what happened here, and I'm the thirty fan

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Speaker 1: anniversary of one of the deadliest stereotacs. Tell us what

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Speaker 1: inspired you to do it?

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Speaker 6: It was partly America's Most wanted.

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Speaker 10: John, I had that dual perspective. Like millions of Americans,

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Speaker 10: I witnessed in horror what happened on April nineteen, nineteen

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Speaker 10: ninety five, the devastation, the injuries, the deaths, and at

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Speaker 10: the same time having that America's most wanted experience. I

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Speaker 10: was also focused on the manhunt that immediately unspooled and

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Speaker 10: became the biggest manhunt in the world for the unknown

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Speaker 10: and never identified accomplice of Timothy mcveae who rode next

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Speaker 10: to him in the bomb truck and was seen by

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Speaker 10: twenty four eyewitnesses that morning as they headed for the

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Speaker 10: Mirror building and detonated that deadly bomb.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's incredible, so important, John and I, especially on

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Speaker 2: the show, but justin news, we truly value whistleblowers in

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Speaker 2: their contribution to transparency and fighting corruption. And I know

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Speaker 2: whistleblowers paid a big part, an integral part of your book.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about that.

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Speaker 6: They sure did, Amanda.

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Speaker 10: The first whistleblower of sorts was actually a member of

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Speaker 10: the Federal Grand Jury, a horse breeder named Hoppy Heidelberg

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Speaker 10: who was so disturbed by what was going on behind

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Speaker 10: closed doors that he went rogue and eventually wrote a

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Speaker 10: letter to the judge accusing the federal prosecutors of rigging

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Speaker 10: that grand jury by hiding the identity of John Doe two.

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Speaker 10: The next whistleblower of note was came a couple of

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Speaker 10: years later when an Oklahoma journalist found an a federal informant.

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Speaker 10: Her name was Carol Howe. She actually a few people

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Speaker 10: know this. She had actually been embedded in the bomb

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Speaker 10: plot a rural Oklahoma enclave called Eloheim City and was

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Speaker 10: warning her atf handlers for months in advance of the

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Speaker 10: bombing that a bombing was coming and that Oklahoma City

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Speaker 10: was on the short list.

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Speaker 6: Another whistleblower really comes.

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Speaker 10: Out at the end of my investigation, which believe it

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Speaker 10: or not, spans over twenty years, and this is John Matthews,

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Speaker 10: a top FBI operative in the nineteen nineties who came

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Speaker 10: forward to the primary source for my book. Who is

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Speaker 10: Jesse Trinidou, a lawyer in Salt Lake City and a marine.

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Speaker 10: And John Matthews, also a marine, came forward to tell

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Speaker 10: Jesse about pat Con and his years as a top

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Speaker 10: FBI spy against right wing extremists.

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Speaker 6: But his experience was that.

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Speaker 10: This program was basically inciting the violence that he had

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Speaker 10: signed on to stop, and so he left disillusioned.

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Speaker 6: Eight years later, I.

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Speaker 1: Remember talking to all of those extraordinary figures as I

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Speaker 1: was winding through my journey. You've done such a great

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Speaker 1: job of pulling it together. And people say, well, thirty

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Speaker 1: years later, why does it make a difference. But I

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Speaker 1: think there's a really important character in this book that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people forget about. He later would become

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General, but Merrek Garland was the key supervisor

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Speaker 1: of how this investigation unfolded, how it was controlled. Thirty

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Speaker 1: years later, where he's still facing some pretty serious questions

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Speaker 1: about his conduct. Talk a little bit about what you

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Speaker 1: learned about him.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely well, he was the hands on manager of the

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Speaker 10: Lone Wolf prosecution and shaped that investigation from the beginning

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Speaker 10: to focus only on Timothy McVeigh and his role as

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Speaker 10: the mastermind and perpetrator nearly single handed of the crime,

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Speaker 10: when in fact, as our investigation reveals, and John Solomon

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Speaker 10: was central to this. In the early two thousands, this

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Speaker 10: neo Nazi bank robbery gang known as the Aryan Republican

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Speaker 10: Army come into view as suspect candidates, and they were

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Speaker 10: completely ignored. So it is quite noteworthy that after all

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Speaker 10: those years, when Merrick Garland became the Attorney.

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Speaker 6: General, he was you know, he announced that.

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Speaker 10: White supremacy was the gravest menace facing America. But when

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Speaker 10: you look back at pat Con, which the whistleblower John

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Speaker 10: Matthews revealed to our investigation, pat Con inciting the violence

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Speaker 10: that it was supposed to be stopping really raises the

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Speaker 10: question about manufactured terror and whether how Merrick Garland could

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Speaker 10: have traveled all that time of the latter of the

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Speaker 10: Justice Department and not have known about pat Con and

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Speaker 10: its actions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we let you go, Margaret. I want to make

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Speaker 2: one more connection because I hope I don't look real

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Speaker 2: silly here. I think the years were ninety two, ninety three,

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Speaker 2: and ninety five. You have these cluster of events that

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Speaker 2: draw in the FBI and bring in questions about the FBI.

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Speaker 2: This Waco and Ruby Ridge. Do we still have the

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Speaker 2: same problems in our intelligence community as we did back then,

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Speaker 2: and all with all the scandal that happened around those

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 6: Well, it certainly appears that we do.

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Speaker 10: And that is one of the threads that we follow.

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Speaker 6: In my investigation.

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Speaker 10: You know, you see, we encountered suspected undercover informants in

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Speaker 10: numbers in this case, and it came to look a

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Speaker 10: lot more like the Gretchen Whitmer kidnap plot than the

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Speaker 10: government's case of lone wolf terror as it was prosecuted

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Speaker 10: against McVeigh, and as history books still tell us today.

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Speaker 10: Yet credibly people have looked at tragedies that ensued afterwards,

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Speaker 10: including the Boston marathon bombing and some other more recent events.

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Speaker 10: Just today, the talk of the town is Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 6: Was he an FBI and format.

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Speaker 10: It's clear that this is a major problem, and yes,

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Speaker 10: it's it's still with us today.

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Speaker 1: That's why your book, Blowback is a must read. Folks,

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Speaker 1: go get this book. It is a fantastic read. I

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Speaker 1: learned a ton and I did a lot of reporting

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Speaker 1: on this. Margaret Roberts, you have done a great contribution

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Speaker 1: to this country. Thanks for writing the book and thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us today.

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Speaker 6: Thank you both.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Well to think a quick commercial bank. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna change things out. We're gonna do a little three

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Speaker 1: minute wrap on the first three interviews that we're going

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Speaker 1: to finish up with my good friend, my good friends

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Speaker 1: at I'm sorry I lost the script there for saying

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Speaker 1: that will be up. We'll have a great conversation about

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Speaker 1: hometown locked, but first a little wrap, let's take a break,

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Speaker 1: will be right back. Welcome back in America. All right,

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Speaker 1: we've had some great conversations. I want to before we

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Speaker 1: lose our train of thought. A couple of things we

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Speaker 1: picked up I wanted from on Oklahoma City. The FBI's

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Speaker 1: investigation was so bad under Merrick Garland that this little

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Speaker 1: reporter here found the missing explosives that the FBI missed.

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Speaker 1: There was all these blasting caps. They didn't know where

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Speaker 1: they were. They were sitting right in one of the

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Speaker 1: suspects home. I let him write to it just from

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Speaker 1: my reporting, and they found it. Had to raid the home,

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Speaker 1: scare the new owners of it, but there were blasting

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Speaker 1: caps sitting under their stairwell. Now they ever found it.

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Speaker 1: And my reporting stopped the execution of Tim mcgay for

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Speaker 1: a while, not because he was in he was a

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Speaker 1: bad dude, but because they had not given him Brady

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Speaker 1: material things that were required. That was Merrick Garland and

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Speaker 1: the FBI not a whole lots changed twenty thirty years later,

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Speaker 1: and they're crazy. I'm going all over I love the

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Speaker 1: questioning we did with Harmei Dillon, and I think I

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Speaker 1: just heard a big headline in that interview. People are

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Speaker 1: getting lawyers because it's possible it's Justice Department's going to

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Speaker 1: treat the government's actions as a criminal violation of civil liberties.

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Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people are thinking that

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Speaker 1: a month or two ago. I think of perjury and

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Speaker 1: our things criminal violation of civil liberty. You know what

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Speaker 1: that means, Democrats' favorite law, the Civil Rights Act in

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four, the pews against the potentially against their actress.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to make another connection relate to what

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Speaker 2: we spoke to Devin Nuna's about. Because this letter signed

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Speaker 2: by the fifty one Intel officials that Mike Morell both

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Speaker 2: co authored and organized. Do you remember, I know you do.

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Speaker 2: Does our audience remember who called Mike Morell to thank

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Speaker 2: him for that letter?

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Speaker 1: Tony blnkeln Stever Vershetty oh Stever, Shettyny blaken Obsperred, the

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Speaker 1: identity went.

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Speaker 2: On to be's campaign chairman. That's right, ka Lee, all

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Speaker 2: of these sticky, gross relationships. Yeah, too many connections.

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Speaker 1: It's Washington that it's worse. And now the question is

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Speaker 1: does this washeron's feet cycle that we've seen protect the Democrat,

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Speaker 1: injured the Republican maybe violate the civil rights as arm

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Speaker 1: meat in today? Does that rise to criminality? I guess

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Speaker 1: we're going to find out.

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Speaker 2: And the same thing with both these letters washmrints repeat.

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Speaker 2: They get somebody to put the letter out there, and

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Speaker 2: in the case of twenty sixteen, Hillary Clinton used it

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Speaker 2: to bolster the argument to bolster the Russia collusion narrative.

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Speaker 2: And then in twenty twenty, the same thing with the

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Speaker 2: hundredbyind laptop all.

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Speaker 1: Over in Watergate, Nixon loses them because the CIA is

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Speaker 1: asked to interffair of the FBI. In Russia Gate, the

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Speaker 1: opposite occurs. The FBI is forcing the CIA it's change

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Speaker 1: its intelligence community assessment and make a fake assessment, same abuse,

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Speaker 1: just in a different direction. Those are the sort of

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Speaker 1: things that can educate the public. Und because that sizzl

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Speaker 1: real reminds us all that the legacy media is not

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Speaker 1: telling the truth American They are withholding really important stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know, because you're lucky enough to watch this network

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate that. All right, quick commercial break when

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Speaker 1: we come back, ye home, title Loca it is a

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Speaker 1: real theft. This home title theft trend, It's really happening.

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Speaker 1: Alie do Mingez is one of the best at describing

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Speaker 1: why you want to protect yourself and how you do it.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have that next right after these messages.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody. There is a dangerous rising crime in America.

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Speaker 2: The FBI has dubbed house ceiling and it can happen

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Speaker 2: to any homeowner. In fact, that's exactly what happened to

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Speaker 2: the Kelly family from Houston, Texas, who decided to put

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Speaker 2: a home that was in their family since the nineteen

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Speaker 2: sixties up for sale. And what happened next is the

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Speaker 2: stuff of nightmares. Here is their family lawyer explaining it.

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Speaker 11: They were approached by local fraudster in real estate mogul,

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Speaker 11: Jerry Gurley. They received a.

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Speaker 1: Poor offer from him and they declined. Unfazed.

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Speaker 11: Jerry Gurley, with the help of his notary, forged all

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Speaker 11: six signatures of the family members onto the deed filed

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Speaker 11: into the property records and with the help of the

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Speaker 11: corrupt and now.

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Speaker 2: Now to talk about how you can protect yourself from

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Speaker 2: this very same thing happening to you. Title theft education

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Speaker 2: expert from Home Title Loo. Natalie Demingez Natalie, welcome back.

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Speaker 12: Hi Amanda, Hi John. It's lovely to be back with you.

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Speaker 6: Guys.

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Speaker 12: Always wish it was under better circumstances, but I'm so

817
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Speaker 12: glad that we're able to be here and talk about

818
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Speaker 12: these very real stories that are happening to people.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, because all over America.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this Jerry Gurley story is scary, but

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Speaker 2: there are a lot of Jerry Gurlees out there.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 12: The one thing that I like that the the attorney

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Speaker 12: talked about was, you know, him coming in and giving

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Speaker 12: a little ball offer. This is something that we are

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Speaker 12: seeing more and more, and you know, we have to

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Speaker 12: deal with all these scams on a daily basis regardless, Right,

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Speaker 12: I get probably fifteen calls a day from numbers that

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Speaker 12: I don't know and don't recognize. But now we're getting

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Speaker 12: these scams where people in the industry that are actually

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Speaker 12: doing this professionally are approaching homeowners. And my personal opinion,

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Speaker 12: we don't know this for sure. This is all alleged,

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Speaker 12: but I don't even think that Jerry Gurley ever attempted

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Speaker 12: to even purchase their home. The attorney says he gave

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Speaker 12: them a lobal Offer. I think that this was his

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Speaker 12: way of getting in on talking to the family, seeing

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Speaker 12: what their family dynamic is like, figuring out what happened.

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Speaker 6: After the dad's death.

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Speaker 12: He approached them two years after the father had died

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Speaker 12: and they inherited the home. And most people aren't thinking, Oh,

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Speaker 12: this person's out to scam me when there's someone in

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Speaker 12: the industry that does this for a living, right terrifying.

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Speaker 12: Now we have to worry about people that are you know,

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Speaker 12: actually real estate locals and lawyers and attorneys and community

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Speaker 12: organizers like that that community organizer in Detroit.

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Speaker 6: Who do we trust anymore?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really a big deal. The insider threat is

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Speaker 1: real on this, and these criminals are picking off their

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Speaker 1: friends now and trying to get them in. What happens

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Speaker 1: in that case, is there a criminal prosecution or civil

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Speaker 1: What happens to make sure that some accountability finally happened there.

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Speaker 12: So we can actually use this story as a really

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Speaker 12: good example. Unfortunately, there is no title theft crime on

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Speaker 12: the books right. If someone gets arrested for this, generally

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Speaker 12: they're charged with something like wire transfer or identity theft

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Speaker 12: or something like that. Luckily, in some states like New York.

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Speaker 12: Last year they finally passed the law that made it

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Speaker 12: a grand larceny charge. But this is not the case

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Speaker 12: in every state. So unfortunately with this example, and I

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Speaker 12: think it didn't get played in the actual clip, but

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Speaker 12: what happened with this family was Jerry Gurley transferred it

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Speaker 12: into his name, He sold the property behind their back,

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Speaker 12: and this company that thought that they had purchased this

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Speaker 12: property for gentrification purposes legally went and actually bulldozed this

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Speaker 12: family home. So I don't think we covered that in

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Speaker 12: the beginning. Their home is gone, sixty years of memory,

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Speaker 12: is a family legacy.

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Speaker 6: It's gone.

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Speaker 12: So they went after this guy civilly because it was

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Speaker 12: a paperwork issue, right, they were able to get a

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Speaker 12: civil settlement of about two hundred thousand dollars, But as

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Speaker 12: of when this report came out, he has paid the

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Speaker 12: family nothing. The amount he owes is up to two

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Speaker 12: hundred and eighty thousand dollars with interest. And so basically

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Speaker 12: what happens is this family's house and memories and you know,

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00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 12: financial future is gone. They're owed two hundred thousand dollars

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00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 12: and this guy is getting off with a slap on

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Speaker 12: the wrist and allegedly he's been charged with multiple accounts

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00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 12: of a similar thing over the past decade, so this

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00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 12: isn't even the first time it's happened, but no criminal

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Speaker 12: charges have been placed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a two hundred thousand dollars. I'm quite sure that

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00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: the home is actually worth more than that. But if

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Speaker 2: this family had had home title lock, where in the

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Speaker 2: process would this have gotten stopped?

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Speaker 12: Oh, as soon as something is filed with the county

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Speaker 12: and they've done their thing, they've taken the paperwork, they've

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00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 12: indexed it. What happens is if you were a home

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Speaker 12: title lock subscriber. Right, the beauty of our million dollar

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Speaker 12: our triple off protection is is monitoring, alerts and then restoration.

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Speaker 12: So the monitoring part is really important because a lot

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Speaker 12: of people tend to think, oh, well, I have you know,

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Speaker 12: identity theft protection or credit monitoring or whatever. So if

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Speaker 12: something were to happen to me, it's going to hit that.

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Speaker 12: But we monitor the property, not the person. So if

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Speaker 12: someone like Jerry Gurley comes along and tries to sell

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Speaker 12: your house or take out a loan against it, that's

899
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Speaker 12: not going to be hitting your credit because the house

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Speaker 12: is no longer in your name. So we monitor the property.

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Speaker 12: If we were monitoring this home the moment that paperwork

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Speaker 12: was filed and processed, you guys would be getting a

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Speaker 12: notification of that. So we would have been able to

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Speaker 12: jump in and fix everything with our restoration team and

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Speaker 12: put a stop to it before the house ever got

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Speaker 12: a chance to sell. It would have been put to

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Speaker 12: a stop.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Pretty powerful, all right. We know from the FBI

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Speaker 1: agents that we brought on the show over the years

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Speaker 1: and Matt and others who were involved in the creating

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00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: of this crime is growing by the day. AI is

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Speaker 1: going to make it worse, isn't it?

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Speaker 12: Absolutely AI. You know, we talk about this all the

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Speaker 12: time post COVID. Jim dennahe who is a now retired

915
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 12: former FBI fed last year that in the four years

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Speaker 12: since COVID, vacant property fraud alone raised five hundred percent.

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Speaker 12: Everything can be done online now via after COVID, you

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Speaker 12: can sell your house without ever meeting a buyer, a notary,

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Speaker 12: anyone in person. You can do all of that online.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is a crime that is already so

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Speaker 2: much bigger than people realize, and with the advent of AI,

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Speaker 2: it's going to explode even worse. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for joining us, Natalie, and to all of you, our

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Speaker 2: wonderful viewers. Viewers, if you want to protect yourself from

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Speaker 2: the crime of house stealing, go to home title lock

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Speaker 2: dot com and use the promo code JTN. You're going

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Speaker 2: to get a free title history report and a free

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Speaker 2: trial of their million dollar Triple Lock protection. So that's

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Speaker 2: all the time we.

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Speaker 6: Have for tonight.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for being with us. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: here at six pm Eastern tomorrow.