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Speaker 1: Happy Sunday again, everybody, Yes, we're the One hour of

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Speaker 1: talking about about basketball was not enough today. We clearly

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Speaker 1: have to get into it some more. After one of

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Speaker 1: the wildest playoff outcomes I can remember seeing, I would

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Speaker 1: Clippers lost to the Nuggets in the Bubble in terms

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Speaker 1: of just the feeling I got watching the game, just

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Speaker 1: the utter disbelief at at watching a team that has

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Speaker 1: less talent not just beat a better team. In terms

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Speaker 1: and there's some quit going on. And that was just

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Speaker 1: an incredible like like just an absolute underdog as whipping

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Speaker 1: is all that was. UM, we're gonna get into everything

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Speaker 1: from this game, very very excited about that. UM, before

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Speaker 1: the night. Colin Cowhard is back from his vacation in Europe.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be doing a breakdown of both games. Draymond

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Speaker 1: well as reacting to that back and forth and some

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Speaker 1: which is obviously going to be gold. I personally can't

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Speaker 1: see the XS and o's videos and things that I

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Speaker 1: Kidd and the Dallas defense. Obviously, any time that a

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Speaker 1: You know, And it's interesting because a lot of people

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Speaker 1: But all the bloggers were like, Oh, their offense is

429
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Speaker 1: is too it's too redundant, it's too it's too stagnant,

430
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Speaker 1: there's not enough fall movement, blah blah blah. But it's

431
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Speaker 1: proven to work in the playoffs. In the playoffs, your

432
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Speaker 1: motion offense, with all your with all of your sets

433
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: that you run, in all the actions that you run,

434
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Speaker 1: it just doesn't work in the postseason when you can scout, really,

435
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: when you can really scout for a team, there's not

436
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: a pick and roll coverage that that there's not a

437
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: pick and roll that Phoenix can run that Dallas didn't

438
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: have down to down to a science on how to cover.

439
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 1: By the end of that By the end of that series,

440
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: it just more often than not, it comes down to

441
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Speaker 1: can you space the floor properly and do you have

442
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Speaker 1: a player that can be your supreme offensive and shader,

443
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Speaker 1: And then do you have one or two guys that

444
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Speaker 1: can spell your supreme initiator by running some quality offense

445
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 1: and on any given night one of them can go off.

446
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: That dynamic is proven to work in the playoffs, the

447
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: five out dynamic, the Maxi Kleiba at center during the

448
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: regular season not gonna do a lot of damage, but

449
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: DeAndre Aton at center, traditional drop coverage is running a

450
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Speaker 1: super traditional scheme like that, We'll eat up a lot

451
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Speaker 1: of innings in the regular season and generate a ton

452
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Speaker 1: of wins. But then they get into the postseason and

453
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Speaker 1: everything that they do is solvable. And then the teams

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Speaker 1: like Dallas that navigate through the season as a team

455
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Speaker 1: that's under the radar, they are prepping for the playoff environment.

456
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Speaker 1: Is it harder to eat innings in the regular season

457
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Speaker 1: that way, sure, But in this setting that style has proven.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's one of the big reasons why it

459
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Speaker 1: was high on Boston towards the end of the regular season,

460
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Speaker 1: Like they were running stuff that has proven to work

461
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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Tatum was doing a great job taking

462
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Speaker 1: double teams and passing out of them. They were switching

463
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Speaker 1: everything on defense, which is the defensive scheme that I

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Speaker 1: believe most in. They were doing stuff that I knew

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Speaker 1: would work in the postseason. And and it's just like,

466
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Speaker 1: I can't believe how often us as basketball fans and

467
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Speaker 1: analysts fall for the regular season crap all the time.

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Speaker 1: There will be some team next year that's running a

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Speaker 1: traditional center, that's running traditional coverages, that has a really

470
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Speaker 1: pretty ball movement player movement offense that will lose again

471
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Speaker 1: in the postseason next year will fall for it again,

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Speaker 1: just like we did with the Utah Jazz. For the

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Speaker 1: last few years, the Utah Jazz looked like a dominant

474
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Speaker 1: regular season team and then consistently get their ass kicked

475
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Speaker 1: by lesser teams in the playoffs. We have to eventually

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Speaker 1: learn from this. And to me, I thought, I thought,

477
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Speaker 1: I thought this series was the greatest example of that

478
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Speaker 1: most talented team in the league, Phoenix. But they were

479
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Speaker 1: built in a way that was easy to scheme for.

480
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Speaker 1: And Dallas literally completely neutered their offense in Game seven

481
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Speaker 1: on their home floor, completely wild stuff. We're gonna get

482
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Speaker 1: a little bit further into the details of the series,

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Speaker 1: but I'm gonna bring my guy Carson on to do so, Hey, buddy,

484
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Speaker 1: haven't seen you. Yeah, it's been a few hours, hasn't it. Well,

485
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Speaker 1: it's great to be back. We've got we've got a

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Speaker 1: few big questions from tonight. So let's start with this

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Speaker 1: because you talked about obviously an off night from book

488
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Speaker 1: you talked about just sort of the staggering lack of

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Speaker 1: production from CP down the stretch. But who do you

490
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Speaker 1: think Jason is most at fault for the Sun's collapse? Man,

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Speaker 1: I would tie it mostly to CP three. Um Again,

492
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Speaker 1: like the Booker thing is a wild card. Like he

493
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Speaker 1: just didn't shoot well tonight. Don't get me wrong, they

494
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Speaker 1: guarded him well, but he got to a lot of

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Speaker 1: his typical spots, and he got to a lot of

496
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Speaker 1: his typical go to moves and he just wasn't knocking

497
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Speaker 1: them down right, which is again that that's variants there.

498
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Speaker 1: And for a player like him, who's not the best player,

499
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Speaker 1: like he's not like a top five player in the league, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's unrealistic to expect him to go out and shoot

501
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Speaker 1: as poorly as he did and had a monster impact,

502
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Speaker 1: but so much about what makes Phoenix's offense work is

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul has to be enough of a threat to

504
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Speaker 1: either score or to draw the defense in. So he's

505
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Speaker 1: kicking to the Cam Johnson's of the world and the

506
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Speaker 1: Michael Bridges of the world that are super talented off

507
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Speaker 1: ball players that can persistently make them pay attacking clothes outs.

508
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Speaker 1: But they you know, they that that has always been

509
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Speaker 1: the scariest thing about Phoenix is not the first action.

510
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Speaker 1: It's like the second side action has always been terrifying

511
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Speaker 1: with Phoenix, and they just didn't even get to that

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Speaker 1: nearly enough for when they did. Like I don't know

513
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Speaker 1: if you notice that, Carson, but Chris Paul is like

514
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Speaker 1: literally coming off the screen and before he's even looking

515
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Speaker 1: to shoot, he's whipping the ball across the court. I

516
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Speaker 1: just didn't think that was sustainable. And I thought I thought,

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Speaker 1: like I thought that some of those problems started to

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Speaker 1: manifest in game three, and I don't think they ever

519
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Speaker 1: really went away. Like that offensive rating of one twenty

520
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: in Game five was elevated by the fourth quarter. I thought, um,

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Speaker 1: through three quarters, I think they had held him to

522
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Speaker 1: like seventy seven points or something like that. So, like Dallas,

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Speaker 1: I think figured out some stuff and but up a

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Speaker 1: huge part of it was just CP three. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know, man, I don't know if the injury news

526
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: is coming or if it's just simply that he's old.

527
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Speaker 1: But the CP three the last five games was not

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Speaker 1: the same guy as the guy from the first eight games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not even close. And just to give some stats that

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Speaker 1: contextualize that last five games, he's nine point four points

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Speaker 1: and five point eight assists per game. And it's not

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Speaker 1: like his efficiency is poor or anything, but he's taken

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Speaker 1: seven shots a night. And so regardless of what variable

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Speaker 1: you attribute a majority of that too. That's inexcusable. And

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Speaker 1: I think that CP three is a guy who is

536
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Speaker 1: consistently unfairly maligned for his playoff resume when he actually

537
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Speaker 1: individually has often overperformed his regular season production has been

538
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Speaker 1: more assertive as a score, and we saw those stretches

539
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Speaker 1: within these playoffs right where he is just dissecting out

540
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Speaker 1: of the pick and roll. Five games ago, he was

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Speaker 1: shooting seventy three percent from mid range. Throughout the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: it was like Chris Paul pick and roll was surgical

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Speaker 1: every single time, So I don't know that there is

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Speaker 1: a person you could put more at fault. I would

545
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Speaker 1: look maybe to the overall roster construction and talk a

546
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Speaker 1: little bit about the same things that maybe playing Milwaukee

547
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Speaker 1: in a way, just in terms of you need more

548
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Speaker 1: guys who can really go out there and create a shot.

549
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Speaker 1: And you talk about the beauty of the regular season

550
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Speaker 1: offense and all that, and the cutting of the macau

551
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Speaker 1: Bridges and whatnot and eight and feeding off of what

552
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Speaker 1: those lead guards can do. But when that stuff is

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Speaker 1: taken away, when you're facing a high level switching defense

554
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Speaker 1: like you've talked about, then you maybe they just needed

555
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Speaker 1: more actual firepower. So what do you think, I mean,

556
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Speaker 1: does this roster need legitimate reconstruction and what are the

557
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Speaker 1: things that they would need to do. Man, I thought

558
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Speaker 1: they had the mo was talent in the league, Carson,

559
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: Like I thought in terms of off ball creation, I

560
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Speaker 1: don't know that there was anybody that had more talent

561
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Speaker 1: this year. Like no one's kicking to a Michale Bridges

562
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Speaker 1: as their fourth best player anywhere in the league right now.

563
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Speaker 1: Like it's just like, I mean, here's the thing, Like

564
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Speaker 1: this is the this is the real conversation to have. Uh,

565
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Speaker 1: Chris Paul fell apart at the end of the Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: series through Holiday completely shut him down and it changed

567
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Speaker 1: the series. Right, Um, there wasn't just true Holiday was

568
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Speaker 1: team effort. Holiday also spent a lot of time on

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Speaker 1: Devin Booker in that series. But the point is is

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Speaker 1: that everything worked for Phoenix until Chris Paul fell apart

571
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Speaker 1: in the finals last year. This year, everything worked for

572
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Speaker 1: Phoenix until Chris Paul Paul fell apart in the second

573
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Speaker 1: in the second round against Dallas. So the reality of

574
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Speaker 1: the situation is is as great as Chris Paul is

575
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Speaker 1: and as much as he's contributed to the rejuvenation of

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Speaker 1: the Sun's franchise, ah, He's just he's not nearly as

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Speaker 1: valuable when when when their backs are against the wall.

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Speaker 1: So I love the Devin Booker Yeas again, tonight was

579
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Speaker 1: not a representation of this playoff run from Devin Booker.

580
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Speaker 1: He has become a very reliable two way three level

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Speaker 1: score Okay, Uh, DeAndre, I think maybe maybe the move

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Speaker 1: is Carson like next year is the year that Michale

583
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: Bridges and DeAndre and need to become featured in the offense.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's that simple, and they need to become more

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Speaker 1: you know, dependable in that regard like I but at

586
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, like they need to eventually

587
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Speaker 1: consider moving on from the Chris Paul era and finding

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Speaker 1: another guy who's a little bit more reliable as an

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Speaker 1: initiator and that specific circumstance, you know, I know the

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Speaker 1: Lakers are trying to get rid of Russell Westbrook. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if anybody's interested, but my point, my point

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Speaker 1: is is that my point is is that like like

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Speaker 1: love Chris Paul. We've done nothing but you know, the

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Speaker 1: compliment him in this playoff run, at least until things

595
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Speaker 1: went south. But it's just whatever is going on with

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul right now has been the driving force between

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Speaker 1: them falling apart in the last two playoff runs, So

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Speaker 1: that has to be accounted for somehow. Yeah, we'll get

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Speaker 1: back to I think some of the interesting stuff with

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Speaker 1: the Sun's future and what's next for them in a second,

601
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Speaker 1: but we do first have a question in a donation

602
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Speaker 1: from Clyde macassara, so shout out to you Clyde, Jason,

603
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Speaker 1: and Carson. This is a question how can a VET

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Speaker 1: Warriors three exploit the MAVs in the Western Conference Finals. Jason,

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Speaker 1: what do you think? Oh, that's a good question. So

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Speaker 1: this if you guys listened to the to the preview

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Speaker 1: we released on YouTube a couple I think it was

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Speaker 1: either yesterday or the day be for um the I thought,

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Speaker 1: even though Phoenix I think is a better team overall

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Speaker 1: in terms of talent than Dallas. UM, I thought Dallas

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Speaker 1: was a worst matchup for Golden State because what scares

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Speaker 1: me is Luca was trying to knock down a lot

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Speaker 1: of shots over the likes of DeAndre Ayton and Michael

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Speaker 1: Bridges in this series. And not that Golden State doesn't

615
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Speaker 1: have great defensive players, because they do. Golden State is

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Speaker 1: great defense. They're kind of like Dallas in the sense

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Speaker 1: that there there there, They are just absolutely incredibly well code,

618
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Speaker 1: always in the right place, always do the right thing.

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Speaker 1: Their star leads by example, everyone follows. They're an extremely

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Speaker 1: good defensive team, but they are not a physically imposing

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Speaker 1: defensive team. They're not a big and long defensive team.

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Speaker 1: They are a lot of it's it's everything outside of

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Speaker 1: that's perfect, but they don't. Luca specifically thrives in by

624
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Speaker 1: shooting over people. He's a guy that loves to pin

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Speaker 1: you on his backs that he's basically guard yokis right,

626
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Speaker 1: Like he's pinning you on his backside or on his

627
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Speaker 1: hip and getting two spots on the floor, he could

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Speaker 1: shoot over the top of you, and he's gonna have

629
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Speaker 1: a size advantage over everybody in that series, which is

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Speaker 1: gonna make things really complicated. I think that this is

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Speaker 1: the thing if Phoenix's offense has a lot of dynamic action,

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Speaker 1: for sure, but Golden State's offense has a ton of

633
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Speaker 1: dynamic off ball action. So I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 1: would be trying to capitalize on Luca on the other

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Speaker 1: side of the floor. You know, tax Dallas is switching

636
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: defense with just over like just by complicated actions, three

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00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: player actions that make the switch. Is more difficult to

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Speaker 1: pull off things along those lines. But I mean, man,

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Speaker 1: this is again. You guys, stay tuned either late tomorrow

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Speaker 1: or early on Tuesday. I am going to watch a

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Speaker 1: ton of film tomorrow morning, and I'm gonna release a

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00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: couple of previews of both of these series and I

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Speaker 1: will do a further deep dive into it. But my initial,

644
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: my initial kind of uh, my initial kind of idea

645
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 1: would be You're not gonna be able to guard Luca.

646
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: He's gonna get whatever he wants to try to turn

647
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: him to a score. See if he can outscore you

648
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: for the series. But it's on the other end. How

649
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: much can you punish this Dallas defense. Punish got the

650
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: likes of Luca, the likes of Genalen Brunson, the likes

651
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: of Spencer Dinwoodie that aren't great defensive players in a vacuum,

652
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: but that are good within the scheme, and see if

653
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: you can wear them out that way. How do you

654
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 1: feel that Steph matches up individually in this matchup? I mean,

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00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: this is the thing. You're Lucas gonna pick on him,

656
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: and they'll do certain things Like Golden States really smart

657
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: at pre switching. So basically all that pre switching is

658
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: is like, imagine that Steph Curry is guarding Let's say

659
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: Steph Curry's guarding Reggie Bullock in the week's side corner

660
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: and Lucas up at the top, and he calls for

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00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: Reggie Bullock to come set a screen. Basically, instead of

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00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: Steph following Reggie Bullock, you know, Draymond or some other

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00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: perimeter defender, someone like you know let's just say Andrew

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00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: Wiggins will just leave his man instead and go up

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00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: with Reggie Bullock to the screen, and then Steph will

666
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: just go run over and guard Andrew Wiggins man. Right,

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00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: that's a pre switch. It's a way to prevent Luca

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00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: from getting on. They'll do they'll do all kinds of

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00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that to try to keep Steph from getting

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00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: onto Luca, but forgetting like Phoenix was trying all the

671
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: same things, and and Luca was still finding himself on

672
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: Chris Paul or Cam Johnson and attacking specific matchups. Like

673
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: you just have to trust that any possession that Luca

674
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: goes isolation and tries to score over the top of

675
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: you is stagnating the rest of the roster. Again, like

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00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: Luca had a lot of games in this place in

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00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: this particular series where he made a lot of shots,

678
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: but Dallas's offense didn't function very well, including game five

679
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: in this series. So obviously tonight it looked terrific, right

680
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: with everything that went wrong, But you gotta just dare

681
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: Luca to score forty five, stay home off the ball

682
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: and just hope that then at then at certain points

683
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: you can stunt at Luca with help and hopefully at

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00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: that point all of Dallas's shooters will be out of

685
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: rhythm because they haven't touched the ball in forever. That's

686
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: that's the strategy that I would go with. But I mean,

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00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: Steph does not stack up with Luca as a defensive player,

688
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: like he's just he's gonna get beat in that matchup,

689
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: but that's to be expected. The same thing is gonna

690
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: happen to Jordan Pool. The same thing is gonna. I

691
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: think Luca is gonna have success scoring against Andrew Wiggins. Like,

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00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 1: that's not the point. The The idea is Steph has

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00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: to match what everything that Luca is doing, and then

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00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: some on the offensive end of the floor, like especially

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00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 1: with how much Dallas can switch from time to time,

696
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: like that, they're gonna they're gonna try to have. My

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00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: guess is they'll put Reggie Bullock on Steph because Reggie

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00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: Bullock is a better lock and trail defender than Dori

699
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: and Phinney Smith Um and bigger, bigger defenders struggle fighting

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00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: over the top of screens. So my guess is Bullock

701
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 1: will be chasing him like crazy all over the floor

702
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: and it's on him to uh to capitalize on that

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00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: one way or another draft, whether that's drawing attention or

704
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: or attacking Reggie Bullock in isolation rather than trying to

705
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: chase him around screens. But step Steph's biggest impact on

706
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: this series is gonna be him reaching m v P

707
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: level impact offensively mhm. And I think the secondary creation

708
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: is also going to be pivotal from both sides because

709
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: we key in on the superstar matchup. Obviously, Luca feels

710
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: like he's a given to produce that just meteoric levels

711
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: every single night. Steph, we'll see if he can quite

712
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: get there, if his individual creation is where it needs

713
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: to be. But obviously, I mean, you look at a

714
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: game like this and it's Bronson and Din Witty who

715
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: make all the difference. It was Bronson in that first

716
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: series who was so pivotal. Din He's been wildly and

717
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: consistent for the Warriors. We've talked a million times about

718
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: Jordan Pool and how crucial he has been. So we'll

719
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: have plenty of time to look at that series because

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00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: obviously that is what's up next for us now to

721
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: focus on. But tonight is the night in which it's

722
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 1: seems like the Sons are the story of the league

723
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: was as incredible as Luca was, and as great of

724
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: a story as this is for the MAVs, the Sons

725
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: have been the story of this season. The Golden Boys.

726
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: They were sixty four win team in the regular season

727
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: last year. Obviously it seemed like the title was right

728
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: within their reach, and they had the second best regular

729
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: season record, and they had it felt like the best

730
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: cast of role players. They were an incredibly complete two

731
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: way team. They had the coach of the Year Booker.

732
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: A lot of people were saying took another ascension with

733
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: some of his defensive progress, and CP at thirty seven

734
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: now felt like he was still playing at that all

735
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: NBA level and all these things that just made it

736
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: feel like, well, this is the year for it to

737
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: all come together. And they ended up being healthy unless

738
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: we hear something about CP to the contrary, and yet

739
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: they fall short. And I think that that's obviously devastating

740
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: in a vacuum, but even harder, Jason, do you think

741
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: that the Son's title window is over? Now here's the thing, like, so,

742
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: this is what happened to Janice after the bubble, right,

743
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: and this is what happens to every team that suffers

744
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: like the Clippers too, Like, no one really has taken

745
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: the Clippers dead serious ever since they lost to the Nuggets. Right,

746
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: It's just the problem is is they are now. They

747
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: are now beyond the point of any sort of acknowledgement

748
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: of regular season success. Like if they come back status quote,

749
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: same group of guys and and they start the year

750
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: forty and eight, no one's gonna be like, oh man,

751
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: sons are taking it all because they're now. They are

752
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: now they have now been officially diagnosed as a team

753
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: whose playoffs ceiling is lower than the regular season series ceiling.

754
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: You know, there was this thing that happened with h

755
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: Let let me think of a good example, the two

756
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: fifteen Warriors, for instance, Like they had some good fortune

757
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: along the way and in the playoffs, right, Like I

758
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: think Patrick Beverley was hurt in that first round series

759
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: with the Rockets, and then in the second round series

760
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: with the Grizzlies. You had like a I think it was,

761
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: um gosh, who was it that was hurt? Oh it

762
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: is Mike Conley and the Grizzlies series. Mike Conley I

763
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: think was hurt and missed games in that series, and

764
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 1: then they got to the finals and then Kyrie Irving

765
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: got hurt, remember, and Kevin Love was out right, so

766
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: like everyone was like, okay, they won, but is it real?

767
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: You know? And then they went into the next season

768
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: and just whooped everybody's ask to kind of like prove like, no, no, no,

769
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: what we did was real. And obviously what happened in

770
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: the finals that was more about Lebron James and the

771
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: fact that Steph Curry had a bad knee. Like that

772
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: was that the seventy three win Warriors proved that would

773
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: happen in two thousand fifteen was not a fluke. Right, Well,

774
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's like the situation at play here.

775
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: Like you you you go into that first round series

776
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: and you're down to one to the Lakers, and then

777
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis gets hurt and you win the next three

778
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: games and win the series. Right. Then you go into

779
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: the next round and you sweep a a Denver Nuggets

780
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: team that's missing their second best player. Okay, then you

781
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: go into the third round and you get dragged to

782
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: six games by a Clippers team that's missing Kawhi Leonard

783
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: and like blew a closeout game at home in Game five,

784
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: or Paul George came in and let you on fire.

785
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: Then you go into the finals and you come up

786
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: to oh, but you're up to oh against Dave of

787
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: Milwaukee team that has Janice playing on hyper extended knee,

788
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, the series flips on

789
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: you and you lose four games in a row. Right, So, yes,

790
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: you're two wins from an NBA championship, But you had skeptics, right,

791
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: including myself. I was a big Sons skeptic, right, And

792
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: so this season is your opportunity to prove that last

793
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: season was not a fluke. And during the regular season

794
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: they did that to their credit. But as we've talked about,

795
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: and Chris Paul teams in particular, because he's such a

796
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: good closer, and because he's so procedural and what he does,

797
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: and because in a regular season environment he's so hard

798
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: to guard, like, you expect a certain level of regular

799
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: season success from a Chris Paul team, and that was

800
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: even true when he was in Oklahoma City that one year.

801
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: But they got into a first round series against the

802
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: New Lens Pelicans, who scraped their way way in out

803
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: of the playing tournament and got dragged to six games,

804
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: and it took a fourteen for fourteen performance from Chris

805
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: Paul on the road to barely win that game. There

806
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: was a version of that story where you're going back

807
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: to a game seven there and then you losing seven

808
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: to the Mavericks, Like all of a sudden last year

809
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: is starting to look not fraudulent, but like a little

810
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: bit like some stuff broke your way, Like all of

811
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: a sudden last year looks a little bit more like

812
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: Trey Young taking the Hawks to the Eastern Conference Finals

813
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: than you know, a legitimate finals run, right, Like, that's

814
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: what it starts to look like now. It's that there

815
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: are a lot better than that is a very talented

816
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,439
Speaker 1: team for the record, but the point is is there's

817
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: a level that you have to get to to win

818
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 1: an NBA Championship, and Phoenix has demonstrated two years in

819
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: a row now that they can't reach that level. Specifically,

820
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: they can't reach that level when going up against a

821
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: true legitimate, super duper star. Well, Janice did to them

822
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: last year and what Luca did to them this year,

823
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: they looked helpless under that, Like look at what Luca

824
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: did tonight and then look at what Janice did in

825
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: Game six, dropping fifty on them. And they're literally just

826
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 1: sitting there like they might as well have their hands

827
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: tied behind their back. There was nothing they could do

828
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: to keep up with it. And so this is like,

829
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, do you remember this, Carson we talked about

830
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: before the playoff run? I said, this would be an

831
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: interesting year two determine whether or not the Superstar era

832
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: was over. Do you remember me talking about that and

833
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: my whole idea. No, I shouldn't say over, but the

834
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: value I thought, the value of the Superstar laid in

835
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: teams was starting to get diminished as a result of

836
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: teams going five out and suddenly there being a great

837
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: deal of importance on backside players, like how good are

838
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: your guys at attacking closeouts on the backside because we

839
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: don't have a traditional bruising refrigerator power forward on the

840
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: floor anymore, we don't have a traditional center on the floor.

841
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: No, no no, no, It's like everyone's fast and everyone can

842
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: cover a ton of ground. So it's a lot easier

843
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: to double Superstars and recover out of it. So I

844
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: was saying, I was like, this will be an interesting

845
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: playoff run. I'm curious to see what will happen. Will

846
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: the Superstar teams continue to to to win or will

847
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: it be the team teams that that kind of rise

848
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: to the top of the food chain. And this was it,

849
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: This was this was that conversation personified Dallas. Dallas had

850
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: a significantly lesser amount of talent on the floor in

851
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: this game and in this entire series and one player

852
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,359
Speaker 1: and the psychological impact he was able to have on

853
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: everybody on the floor. And I used to talk about

854
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: this all the time with Lebron, Like when Lebron would

855
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: hit that level, everyone would just crumble around him under

856
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: like like he was so confident on the floor and

857
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: his control of the game that DeMar de Rosen would implode,

858
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry would implode. Everyone that he would play against

859
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: in these Eastern Conference playoff series would just completely implode,

860
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: partially under the greatness of what Lebron was doing. And

861
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: you saw Luca do that tonight. And so again, if

862
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: there's a if there's a time coming when the super

863
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: duper star becomes less valuable in the NBA, it sure

864
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: as how wasn't here now, because Luca just just completely

865
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: obliterated the best team of basketball tonight. It's just unbelievable stuff.

866
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 1: And it is particularly difficult for the Son's just because

867
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean they're at such a crossroads now where you

868
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: have to make the decision with Aidan, and obviously they

869
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: have been highly reluctant to pay him max level money

870
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: and now his contract is up, and as incredible as

871
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: Chris Paul is, it's just so completely unprecedented for a

872
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: thirty seven year old small guard to be closer this good.

873
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: There's like one other guy of that portfolio, of that

874
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: profile who has even been like a good player in

875
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: NBA history, and it's John Stockton. I mean you look

876
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 1: at like how far he and Lebron for that matter,

877
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: are outpacing everybody previously in that age range. It's just unthinkable,

878
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: and especially for the little guys. So given that all

879
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: their role guys got better, right Bridges and Aidan and

880
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: Cam Johnson, it just all really did feel like it

881
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: was coming together for a time. And so I think

882
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: that it is an incredibly difficult loom to try to

883
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: recover from for the Suns. And it's very difficult for

884
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: me to see them coming back and winning a title

885
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 1: because everybody around them is constantly getting better. I don't

886
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: know how they conceivably get better from here. The big

887
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: one is gonna be Michael and DeAndre because like, and

888
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you, Like I wouldn't say that Phoenix's

889
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: window is closed. I just think it's temporarily closed, Like

890
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: I think I think the Chris Paul Soun's window is closed.

891
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: But the future version of the Suns that's built around Booker,

892
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: Bridges and eight and being better players, that that window

893
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: will open up eventually. But they're clearly not ready yet,

894
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: you know. So we we talked a lot about how

895
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: like Michael Michael Bridges guys like he's in a situation

896
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: where he's not exactly just getting tossed a ton of

897
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: on ball reps right eating the same thing. Like if

898
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: I if I threw Eighton into the to the Process

899
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: six ors five years ago, there's a good chance that

900
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: I don't like again, don't think he's Joel embat but

901
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: there's a good chance that he's closer to that than

902
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: what he is now, you know what I mean, Like,

903
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: there's a good chance that Eighton is a and twelve

904
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 1: guy playing for the Process sixers. Right, these guys Micaal

905
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 1: Bridges and DeAndre Ayton are they're not going to complain

906
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 1: about it. Because winning is fun. If you've ever played

907
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: for a winning basketball team, that ship is a blast. Okay.

908
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: I played on an n ai A team with that

909
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: BEATA Division one team and started the year thirteen and

910
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: oh we were top five in the country. Those are

911
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: like the most fun days I've ever had playing basketball. Okay,

912
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: like winning is fun. They're having a good time. But

913
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: Eighton and Bridges, there's clearly a development element that they

914
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: might have to lean into in the next couple of years,

915
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: which is, we need to start feeding the ball to

916
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: Eton in the post. We need to start hitting him

917
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: on the short roll all the time. We need to

918
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: get a ton of Michael Bridges on ball reps because

919
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: you need to figure out what those guys are because

920
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: if the core of Bridges and Booker and Eighton is

921
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: enough to win a title, you need to find out. Okay,

922
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: you need to find out soon. So it might take

923
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: an experimental year where you just feed those guys a

924
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: ship ton of touches and just see what they can

925
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: figure out in terms of their own individual offensive ceiling,

926
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: and then you can make a read like, Okay, McHale

927
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: is not enough, Atan's not enough. Why don't we trade

928
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: McHale and eton for a legit superstar, put a legit

929
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: superstar next to Booker and then we make a run

930
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: for it. You don't know what whether or not that's

931
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: a smart move until you really lean into their offensive

932
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: development and see what they're capable of. So, I mean,

933
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: it might even be worthwhile to just to move Chris

934
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: and then try to really lean into two Bridges and

935
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: eight and and just try to see what they're capable

936
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: of in the next couple of years. That's interesting. I

937
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: do feel like, I mean, CP has been so essential

938
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: obviously to establishing just their offensive identity, the tempo they

939
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: play with, putting everybody in positions to succeed, and Bridges.

940
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: To me, you're absolutely right about playing winning basketball in

941
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: a winning context. He does just feel like the perfect

942
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: complimentary offensive guy, like the cutting, the pure shoe doing,

943
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean, the attacking close outs. It's just like you

944
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: fit him in anywhere, and he excels in that role.

945
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: It is a little difficult for me to see him

946
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: being like that lead twenty plus kind of guy though,

947
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: and eight and I've always just been skeptical of offensively

948
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: because he just has some troubling tendencies. You know, I

949
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: just think he's kind of fundamentally passive. He really isn't

950
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: comfortable ever, like putting the ball on the floor, you know,

951
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: you get him a mismatch and unless he has the

952
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: guy literally buried, like, he doesn't back people down nearly

953
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: nearly enough. Given that he's a physical behemoth, his post

954
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: games kind of underdeveloped. So I don't know. You're right, though,

955
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: at the same time, that's never been like a point

956
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: of emphasis for him. It's been kind of okay, especially

957
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: since cp got there. You're in this plug and play role.

958
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 1: You're like kind of playing that replacement big role, but

959
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: you're just better at it than the average guy, So

960
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: we'll see. I don't know. I do have a healthy

961
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: level of skepticism about what the Suns can be in

962
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 1: a post CPI era because I think they have some

963
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: really talented players, but he, to me, has been just

964
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: the engine that has made it all go. So I'm concerned.

965
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: I really think that this was the moment and they

966
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: did not grab it. This did feel like their last chance,

967
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: didn't it. And as good as Booker has become, he's

968
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: he's not an engine. He's definitely not an engine. So, like,

969
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: you're right, someone someone's got to be the engine and

970
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: and and maybe and maybe that's what they have to do,

971
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: and maybe that's the tough decision they have to make.

972
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,959
Speaker 1: Especially you don't feel like paying eighton then then maybe

973
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta do, is you gotta move them.

974
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 1: But my thing is like if I were running the suns,

975
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to know what I have. I would

976
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: wanna because again, like to your point, like I'm with you,

977
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: agree with you, eton seems really uncomfortable in terms of

978
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: the high level offensive stuff. And Michael Bridges like, yeah,

979
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: he'll he'll hit this these drifting jumpers through the lane

980
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: and and he'll tack close out and make a nifty

981
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: finish and do some things like that. But there's just

982
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: there's you you need the brandon Ingram treatment. You need

983
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: to be throwing the basketball like as a primary initiator

984
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: for two years to really learn stuff, you know what

985
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: I mean. And so because again there's just like there's

986
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: a huge gap in player development from each level. I

987
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: talked about this with my high school players all the time.

988
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: Like step one is learn how to do it in

989
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: the gym by yourself. So like, for instance, if you're

990
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: a guy who wants to learn how to take post

991
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: up fade aways, Like get sit in the gym and

992
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: take post up fade aways all day long, you know,

993
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: like like turn over your left shoulder over your right

994
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 1: shoulder from both blocks, you know, make at least five

995
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: going each way every single day for like a couple

996
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: of months. Okay, Then the next step is like get

997
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: to the point where you can do it in practice

998
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: or and in a five on five situation. Right, But

999
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: even then there's another level past that to doing that

1000
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: in an actual game setting, because when when there's actual

1001
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: pressure in a real flow to a five on five

1002
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: basketball game, there's a whole other level of intensity, especially

1003
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: for like high school kids. Like it's one thing to

1004
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: to do something in a practice, it's another thing to

1005
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: do it when you're playing against the local rival team

1006
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: here in town. You know, like it's a totally different five.

1007
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: And so again, like there's been a huge wall in

1008
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: their development in the sense that they are playing alongside

1009
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: two primary ball handlers that function that run basically the

1010
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: vast majority of their actions, and so they just I

1011
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: would like to see what it looks like. But again,

1012
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: you you just gotta find you yet to find out

1013
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: one way or another, and they might know. They might

1014
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: know internally. They might know internally like, hey, we've been

1015
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: given Michale, you know, a ton of reps in practice

1016
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: and he's just not figuring it out. Or we've been

1017
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: given it in a ton of reps in practice and

1018
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: he's just not figuring out. They might know, but either way,

1019
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: to your point, they need to find out what they

1020
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: which of these core pieces are worth keeping and which aren't.

1021
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: And to me, I love the idea with Booker being

1022
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: an awesome three level score. I love the idea of

1023
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 1: having a great playmaker next to him, and it just

1024
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: so happens that Chris Paul at this point can't dictate

1025
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: enough attention with his scoring to open up his playmaking.

1026
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 1: But again that that that's the type of thing that

1027
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: they need to target. They need to find somebody that

1028
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: can actually be the offensive engine alongside Devin Booker. Completely

1029
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: agree with you there, all right, So we've done a

1030
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: lot of talking about the Sun's Let's slip to the

1031
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: MAVs for a second, because this was obviously utterly dominant

1032
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: Game six, they also won by seven, Like this was

1033
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: a dominant close to this series from the four seed

1034
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: and a team that at a certain point halfway through

1035
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: the year, Luca wasn't really looking like himself, and I

1036
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: don't think expectations were that they would be here in

1037
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: the Western Conference finals. But the story is Luca and

1038
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: what he is capable of doing night tonight. So, Jason,

1039
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: do you think he's the best offensive player alive? I

1040
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go with yes. The two guys that

1041
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: I view as the you have to prove you're better

1042
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: than these guys is Lebron and Steph Um. I think

1043
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: Steph's combination of nuclear scoring punch in combination with his

1044
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: ability to dictate attention everywhere on the floor that opens

1045
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: up things for his teammates. I know you're big on

1046
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: Kitch there as well, and I think Yoka just creeping

1047
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: into that conversation really well, especially with Stephan Lebron's decline.

1048
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: And my guess is that you and I will be

1049
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 1: having a conversation at some point in the next couple

1050
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: of years where it's Luca and Yokich that are those

1051
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: two guys. But here's the thing, and the reason why

1052
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: I would take Luc over Yokich is like, just in general,

1053
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 1: you guys know how I feel I want a big

1054
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: wing that can score and pass. Those are the that

1055
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: that to me, has always been the type of player

1056
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 1: that I've been drawn to. It's why I always liked

1057
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: the way Lebron James played basketball. It's what I've always

1058
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: thought that he was the best player in the world

1059
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: up until recently. That's that to me, I think is

1060
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: the most the most uh reliable playoff archetype specifically, and

1061
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: when I say big wing, I mean big, like powerful,

1062
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 1: A big, powerful wing that can that can thrive in physicality,

1063
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: thrive in and punish smaller mismatches, and that has the

1064
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: ability to capitalize on defensive attention thrown towards them. I

1065
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,280
Speaker 1: think is the most valuable skill in the league. And again,

1066
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:06,280
Speaker 1: like this Phoenix defense was specially equipped to handle Luca

1067
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways because of their overall size.

1068
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: That's why I was so worried about them in this series.

1069
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: I think Luca is going to put on a clinic

1070
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: offensively against the Golden State Warriors. It remains to be

1071
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: seen whether that's enough, and I definitely want to watch

1072
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 1: some more film before I make a pick. But like

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00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: like Luca, I think that his ability to punish smaller

1074
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: defenders and to punish defensive attention throwing his way is

1075
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: going to put Golden State in a pickle that entire series.

1076
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: It's just to me, that's the every other type of

1077
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: offensive player that we look at, Like Kevin Durant, as

1078
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: great as he is, he missed way too many reads

1079
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: against Milwaukee or against Boston and it really hurt them

1080
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: in that series. His his lack of high end playmaking,

1081
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: in his lack of ability to handle physicality took literally

1082
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: the best individual score in the history of the league

1083
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: to most people, and rendered him ineffective in a playoff

1084
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: series because he couldn't pass very well and because he

1085
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: couldn't an'll physicality. You look at you know, Steph has

1086
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: just lost a little bit of a step in his

1087
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: individual shock creation and it's been, you know, a big

1088
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: drop off from what he was literally just last season, right.

1089
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: And you know, just in general, the mbiads and the

1090
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: Yokiches of the world, they struggle so much with foot

1091
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: speed and their ability to cover ground compared to a

1092
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: lot of the guys in the league, like that big

1093
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: power wing that can punish mismatches and pass through the

1094
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: ship out of the basketball it's literally the next it.

1095
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: I've always said Luca reminds me of two thousand eighteen Lebron,

1096
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: but not athletic, you know. It lacks all the defensive upside,

1097
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 1: lacks all of that high, high above the rim action

1098
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: type of stuff. But he has that level of control

1099
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: over the half court environment in the sense that he's

1100
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: always aware where the help is, he's always one step

1101
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: ahead of what the defense is trying to do, and

1102
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: he's always going to get what he wants. It's just

1103
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: a question of whether or not he's gonna make it,

1104
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: or whether or not his teammates is his teammate is

1105
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: gonna make it, And to me, that is the quintessential

1106
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: offensive engine and the modern NBA and appears to be

1107
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: the next the next iteration of that. I think you're

1108
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: spot on there. And what he lacks in obviously the

1109
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: high end athleticism of Lebron, and this is not to

1110
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: say he's the equal, but he certainly makes up for

1111
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: a lot of that with just his next level difficult

1112
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: shot making and the fact that you have the turnarounds

1113
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 1: and the fadeaways and the advanced stuff out of the

1114
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: post when he wants to, and it's just like any mismatch.

1115
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: He can attack in any way. He can beat a

1116
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: big off the bounce, or he can step back on them.

1117
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: He can take the little guys into the post and

1118
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: just destroy them. And the entire time he's aware of

1119
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: every single pass on the floor. And there's the physical

1120
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: imposition too. I mean, he's a big, strong guy who

1121
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: just keeps coming at you and the volume never stops

1122
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: with him. And these playoffs he's thirty one and a

1123
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: half a game, six and a half a sist per game,

1124
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: almost fifty percent true shooting, doing that from the perimeter,

1125
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: controlling the game as he does. You're right, it probably

1126
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: is the most valuable thing. I do still really think

1127
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: Yogich makes a case because I don't don't think he's

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00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: like any big man we've ever seen in terms of

1129
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: he is obviously the one initiating and running your offense

1130
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: and amplifying all the other talent around him. You know,

1131
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: he's not a great one on one player. He gets

1132
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: involved in so many different ways within an offense. And

1133
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: I will say Luca at his best, I don't think

1134
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: you can beat when Luca is making half of his

1135
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: step back threes, and when he is just brutalizing guys

1136
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: out of the post, and the difficult shot making is

1137
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: on that to me is the best offensive player on

1138
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: the planet. I will say, though, I do think Luca

1139
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: is a more inconsistent score in terms of efficiency than Yokich,

1140
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: than certainly Katie, than Lebron, because sometimes those shots just

1141
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: start falling, you know. As dazzling of a three point

1142
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: shooter as he is, he's also like a career thirty

1143
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: percent guy from three, I want to say, so when

1144
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: he's at his best, I do think he is the

1145
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: best offensive player on the planet. I am tentative to

1146
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: say point blank that he is, though I would agree

1147
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,959
Speaker 1: with you if you kitch in his perimeter shooting didn't

1148
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 1: completely fall apart at the end of the season and

1149
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: now in your defense, no, you're right, And in your defense,

1150
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: Yokich had extensive stretches of of good shooting previous in

1151
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: his career, so Nuggets fans will tell you it was

1152
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: an anomaly. But he did not shoot well from the

1153
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: perimeter to end the regular season or in this postseason,

1154
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: and specifically against Golden State. It costs some issues where

1155
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: when he would pop away from the rim, Draymond could

1156
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: roam a little bit. And remember there was that one

1157
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: part where, uh where I think it was Mike Malone

1158
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: was like Draymond's not even guarding anybody, and what they

1159
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: were specifically referencing there was like Draymond, especially when Yokis

1160
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: would pop to the perimeter, just was like daring Yokich

1161
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: to shoot and he just couldn't make them pay from

1162
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: out there. But here's the thing we're splitting hairs here, Carson,

1163
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: Like these are to me, Yokich literally is the is

1164
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: basically Luca but the big man version of it. So

1165
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: for me personally, I always am going to favor the

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00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: perimeter guy that can do it, you know, from a

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00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: little bit more verse the lead in terms of locations

1168
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 1: on the floor. But dude, yeah, like I mean, I can't,

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01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,439
Speaker 1: I can't disagree with anything you're saying about Yokis because

1170
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: it's just simply factual. So so I'm with you, and

1171
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: it's very close and too and I think as Lebron

1172
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: ages out and as Steph ages out, those two guys

1173
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: are the guys. Those are the guys that are gonna

1174
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: be the primary offensive engines in the league. And Janice

1175
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: is going to be that all around Swiss army knife

1176
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: kind of type of dude. And you know what will

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01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: end up happening and what'll what'll we'll basically determine the

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01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, the next ten years of the n b

1179
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,919
Speaker 1: A is gonna be. You know what happens first? Does

1180
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: Luca get in shape and become like this kind of

1181
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: pretty damn effective two way player that has crazy stamina,

1182
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 1: or does Janice become the surgical half court presence that

1183
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:48,600
Speaker 1: can shoot over the top of everybody and task extremely well.

1184
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: Like whichever one of those two things happens first could

1185
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: end up being the indicator of of what happens over

1186
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: the course of the next decade. But man like for

1187
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: for the league aging out, for Kevin Durant, Evan Ran

1188
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: and Lebron on their couches, and and and you know,

1189
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: Steph showing some signs of decline. Like we're in good hands.

1190
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: We got a lot of we got a lot of

1191
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: good players coming along the horizon. Alright, guys, So we

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Speaker 1: what were we going to see tonight? Because I knew

1214
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: all of those things before game one, and they came

1215
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: out flat and got beat, wouldn't even attempt a mid

1216
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 1: range shot, had a bunch of turnovers, never ran back

1217
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: on defense on the turnovers, and they got beat soundly.

1218
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: Then they went back and beat the ship out of

1219
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: him in game two. But then they roll up in

1220
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: Milwaukee and lay an egg, and then they come in

1221
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Speaker 1: in game four and come back from downten and have

1222
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Speaker 1: this incredibly impressive win. It was like a roller coaster

1223
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: up and down, and so you never knew what you

1224
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: were going to get from this team. Then I started

1225
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: to kind of look at the film, and what I

1226
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: could tell from looking at it is it seemed to me, again,

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01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: this is a new entity in the league, this Boston

1228
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: Celtics team, so we're all learning on the fly. And

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01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: what seemed to me to be the the problem, the

1230
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: source of their poor decision making on offense, was when

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01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 1: Milwaukee would ditch brook Lopez and start switching everything. Because

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01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: when brook Lopez was on the floor, they would run

1233
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: this high screen and roll right and Brooke would be

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01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: in drop coverage, and guys like Tatum and Brown and

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01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: Smart We're getting disconnected from their defender and cleanly operating

1236
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: in the middle of the floor and drawing help and

1237
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: kicking the shooters, and they were getting fantastic shots every time.

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01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: When Milwaukee would switch everything with Brook Lopez off the floor,

1239
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're not getting separated from their defender.

1240
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: Guys are in isolation situations, and Tatum and Brown and

1241
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: Smart kept going to pull up jump shots off the dribble,

1242
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: and it was ugly offense, and it actually worked and

1243
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: led to a Milwaukee win in Game five, and I

1244
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: believe it would have worked in Game six had it

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01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 1: not been for Jason and Tatum getting insanely hot at

1246
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: the end of the game and making a bunch of shots.

1247
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: And if you're a Bucks fan, you have to be

1248
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: infuriated because all of that data was readily available to

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01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: everybody in the Bucks organization. I sent out the numbers

1250
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: earlier today, but Brooke played basically half the series before

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01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 1: Game seven, and in the half that he was on

1252
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: the floor, the Bucks got absolutely destroyed. They were minus

1253
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: sixteen per one possessions. And in the half that he

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01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: didn't play when they primarily switched, there was some Janice

1255
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: drop stuff in there, but for the most part they

1256
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: switched with those lineups, they were plus six per one possessions,

1257
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: so at twenty two point swing. And so what did

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Speaker 1: I tell you, guys? I said, I thought that Milwaukee

1259
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: would finally go to a switching lineup for most of

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01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: the night tonight, and I thought that Boston would struggle

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01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: offensively and that the game would be a coin flip.

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01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: And I said that I trusted Janice a little bit

1263
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,400
Speaker 1: more than I trusted Boston's defense. Well, Coach Budd played

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01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: brook Lopez for thirty seven minutes. Thirty seven minutes in

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01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: the face of all of that evidence that I just

1266
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: laid out for you, guys, And so if you're a Bucksman,

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01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,439
Speaker 1: you gotta be infuriated. In fact, when things were going

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01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: south there in the third quarter, Budd went to three

1269
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: bigs before he benched brook Lopez. His audible when things

1270
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: were going bad was to go to that, uh, Bobby

1271
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: port Is at small forward next to Janice at the four,

1272
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: with brook Lopez at the center, which is like the

1273
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: exact opposite of what I would have done in that

1274
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: specific situation. It was really really strange stuff. But to

1275
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 1: to Boston's credit, you know, they they I've always talked

1276
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: about their their offensive process and their shot selection. You know,

1277
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: there's a there's nothing wrong with taking a wide open three.

1278
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: But there's a difference between taking a quick three early

1279
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: in the possession off the dribble, or a quick three

1280
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: in transition, and the three when your feet are set

1281
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 1: on a kickout. And it's not just as simple as

1282
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 1: the psychology of shooting early in the clock, because that's

1283
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: part of it too, But I want you guys to

1284
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: think of it strictly as if you were the shooter. Okay,

1285
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: if you're running up the floor full speed in transition

1286
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: and you have to set your feet while you're running

1287
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 1: to knock down a shot, that's tougher than a stand

1288
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: still shot when you're facing the rim. Right Now, Let's

1289
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 1: say you're the ball handler and you come off of

1290
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: a ball screen and there is a defender who gets

1291
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: caught on the screen, and a defender and drop and

1292
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: you have a little bit of space and you pull up.

1293
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: That also is a tougher shot. You have to handle

1294
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: the basketball and get into your shooting pocket. You're on

1295
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: the moves, you have to get your feet set. That's

1296
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: a tougher shot. Now, let's pretend Marcus Smart drives to

1297
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: the basket, gets both feet in the paint, and you

1298
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: are standing on the right wing, standing facing the rim,

1299
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: facing Marcus Smart, and your feet are already set. And

1300
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: Marcus Smart kicks out to you and you catch and

1301
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 1: your feet are already set. You've been standing still, so

1302
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: you're not fatigued. It's a much much easier shot. That's

1303
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:18,919
Speaker 1: why it's not as simple as open verse not open.

1304
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: It's good process. You have to have good shot process,

1305
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: and throughout this entire game, I thought Boston's process of

1306
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: attacking the rim and kicking two shooters rather than settling

1307
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: for quick early shots and transition and out of ball

1308
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: screens was a huge part of why their shot quality

1309
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: was better. The textbook version of this tonight was Grant Williams,

1310
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: who was wide open all night, and some of that

1311
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 1: Game seven stuff was happening early right like Grant. I

1312
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: think Grant Williams started two for seven from three and

1313
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: the announcers were getting on them, but they were saying like, hey,

1314
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: these are the open shots. And as we've talked about,

1315
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 1: this is this is Milwaukee's defense. Milwaukee ranked twenty it

1316
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: than defense from the All Star break to the end

1317
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 1: of the season, and during the entire regular season, I

1318
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: think they were four and as if you looked at

1319
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 1: their numbers, they locked down the paint and they gave

1320
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 1: up wide open threes. They gave up more wide open

1321
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: threes than any team in the NBA. They gave up

1322
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: more than twenty wide open threes per game according to

1323
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: NBA dot Com, meaning the defenders at least six ft away.

1324
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: Those are wide wide open threes. And so that's that's

1325
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: what the Milwaukee defense gives up. Now, over the course

1326
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 1: of this series, Boston has neglected to generate those really

1327
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 1: high quality ones at stretches where they would take those

1328
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 1: quick shots. But when they when they had that process

1329
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: down and got into the paint and kicked out, they

1330
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: got great looks and they knocked them down. And here's

1331
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,759
Speaker 1: the thing you start too. For seven. To Grant Williams credit,

1332
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: he didn't get scared. We've talked a lot about this

1333
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 1: on the show. We were talking about it with Dylan

1334
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: Brooks and Clay Thompson after that Game six the other night.

1335
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that don't want to shoot

1336
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: in these environments. There's a lot of people that have fear.

1337
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that they miss a couple

1338
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: and they just think it's not their night and they

1339
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:12,520
Speaker 1: don't want to take them. Grant just kept taking them,

1340
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: and after starting two for seven, he caught fire in

1341
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 1: the second half and made a bunch of them and

1342
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 1: that blew the game open. But that's but that's the

1343
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: game is it's one of two things. Is gonna happen

1344
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: when you're giving your opponent wide open three, because Milwaukee

1345
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: got a lot of wide open threes tonight too. The

1346
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 1: differences is they were four for thirty three. The difference

1347
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,440
Speaker 1: is is as the miss is piled up, they seemingly

1348
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: got more and more discouraged and the shots were further

1349
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: and further off target, Whereas with Grant Williams, he just

1350
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: took those as opportunities to build his rhythm and then

1351
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: as the game progressed, he just started knocking them down.

1352
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 1: But it was that poor shooting from Milwaukee changed the

1353
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: game because everything in basketball is connected. The more your

1354
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: shooters are making teams pay for helping, the less teams

1355
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: can help on your star. Janice came out like like

1356
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 1: the Tasmanian Devil today. He had ten points and eight

1357
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 1: rebounds and six assists in the first quarter. He scored

1358
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: or assisted on twenty four of Milwaukee's twenty six first

1359
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 1: quarter points. He came out like a monster. But what

1360
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: did you guys notice over the course of that game,

1361
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: Because you didn't have to guard Pat Conaton, because you

1362
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 1: didn't have to guard Grayson Allen, because he didn't have

1363
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: to guard Wesley Matthews, because none of those guys were

1364
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:42,639
Speaker 1: making shots, they started helping more on Janice. I remember

1365
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: I saw this phenomena for the first time and that

1366
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: Son's Lakers series last year and the you know, everyone

1367
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: looks at Anthony Davis getting hurt, which obviously was a

1368
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: huge part of that series, but part of the issue

1369
01:10:56,200 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: too was every Laker just got outrageously cold. Kent David's

1370
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: call with Pope couldn't shoot, Kyle Kuzma couldn't shoot, you know,

1371
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: everybody on the Dennis Shrewder was like a wall, like

1372
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 1: he would pump bake at nobody out on the perimeter.

1373
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,200
Speaker 1: And as a result, every time Lebron caught the ball

1374
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,719
Speaker 1: on the wing and turned to face the basket, there'd

1375
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: be a defender right in front of him, and there'd

1376
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: be a defender in his left driving lane and a

1377
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: defender in his right driving lane. There there was no

1378
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: option other than to shoot over the top. And that's

1379
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: what happened to Janice in this game as it progressed.

1380
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: Even though he was phenomenal in that first quarter, the

1381
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: worst that Milwaukee shot, the more manifested in Boston building

1382
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: a more dramatic wall, and it took away those options,

1383
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: you know. Special shout out to Chris Mannix here at

1384
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: the volume he called this after game five. He was like,

1385
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 1: I want to see Boston put Marcus smart on on

1386
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 1: Janice more. And they actually did that starting in Game six,

1387
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: and they did it a lot again tonight. I'm not

1388
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 1: sure that it would have worked had Milwaukee shot better,

1389
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: because not because of the bad strategy, it just honest

1390
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: is the best basketball player alive. But I did think

1391
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: it was an interesting wrinkle over the course of the

1392
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,439
Speaker 1: last couple of games because of his quickness and his

1393
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: ability to stay in front of Janice and discourage some

1394
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: of the more like physically aggressive moves, the elbows that

1395
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 1: ripped throughs, the swim moves, the eurosteps and things like that,

1396
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: because he's gonna just flop every time and it just

1397
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 1: discourages your honest a little bit. But all of that

1398
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: piled up that the spacing the Marcus Smart getting up

1399
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:33,240
Speaker 1: underneath him, the lack of shooting in the way that

1400
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 1: it caused the wall to become more dramatic. And then

1401
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: I thought fatigue played a role. You know, Janice tapped

1402
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: into something in this series that we haven't seen in

1403
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: a really long time from any basketball player, and it

1404
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 1: it took a certain level of physical exertion that was

1405
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: inevitably going to take a toll on him. And I thought,

1406
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: especially in that second half, he started to look tired

1407
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: and he started to show some of that fatigue and

1408
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: he started started to manifest in a lack of willing

1409
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,840
Speaker 1: is to plow through that wall, because that's the whole

1410
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 1: thing with you, honest as, you just keep plowing through

1411
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 1: the wall because eventually it's gonna fatigue. Eventually it's gonna

1412
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: lead to guys getting out of your way, and that's

1413
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: when you have those opportunities. But you know, as far

1414
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 1: as as far as Milwaukee goes like, there's some serious

1415
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: stuff you gotta look at after the season. The league

1416
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: is stacked right now. Chris Middleton being out is a

1417
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 1: huge deal, obviously, but there was nowhere near enough offensive

1418
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: talent on the floor for Milwaukee to score against this

1419
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: Boston defense when they were loading up on your honest,

1420
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: that's something they're gonna have to figure out. But some

1421
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:40,800
Speaker 1: of its games, some of it's Game seven, and you know,

1422
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: this is the thing, and I was talking about this

1423
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 1: with some other people on Twitter during the game, but

1424
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 1: you know, Boston's gonna make you look bad. You know. Uh,

1425
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: Brooklyn actually put up a decent offensive rating in that

1426
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,799
Speaker 1: first round, but the context there was Katie and Kyrie

1427
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: on the floor in the regular season was giving you

1428
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: damn near a hundred points per hunter possessions. So it's

1429
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: like an unbelievably dominant offense that ran into Boston's defense

1430
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: and became average. And what you're seeing here is an

1431
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: average offense. The Bucks this year without Chris Middleton average

1432
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: about a hundred and nine points per one hunder possessions,

1433
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: which is okay, right, it would have been it would

1434
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: have been towards the bottom of the league, obviously, but

1435
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: it's the offense depends on Chris Middleton, right, But it

1436
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: took it from a bad to blow average offense to

1437
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,920
Speaker 1: an absolutely untenable offense that could not score in the

1438
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:42,200
Speaker 1: half court. That's Boston and we we need to and

1439
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: we we need to stop making excuses for what has

1440
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: been transpiring in this in these playoffs series. It's not

1441
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 1: about Katie and him not being multifaceted enough to attack

1442
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: Boston's defense. It's not about Kyrie and him being kind

1443
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: of a weirdo that probably, you know, shouldn't be playing

1444
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: a team sport and should probably be in a soul No, no,

1445
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,799
Speaker 1: none of that, None of that is the case. Boston

1446
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: shut them down. That's what happened in that series. This

1447
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 1: is not about Chris Middleton being out. Obviously it plays

1448
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: a role, but Boston's defense is really, really good. They

1449
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,440
Speaker 1: caused Janice, literally the best player in the world's efficiency

1450
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: to tank in this series. Literally a Shaquille O'Neil type

1451
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:28,759
Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neal two point oh perimeter version. His shooting percentage

1452
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 1: is tanked in this series. That's that's Boston. And we're

1453
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: gonna talk a little bit more here in just a

1454
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: minute with Carson about Boston's ceiling and whether or not

1455
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 1: they have the capability to win the title. And that

1456
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,720
Speaker 1: gets more complicated because then we're diving back into those

1457
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 1: Boston offensive issues. But make no mistake, this Boston defense

1458
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 1: is by far the best defense in this field, arguably

1459
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 1: the best defense of this era, and that is a

1460
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: massive weapon looking forward in this playoffs, in these playoffs,

1461
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:04,799
Speaker 1: that is a dependable thing. Milwaukee shooting wide upen threes,

1462
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 1: they might go in, they might not. Tonight they didn't

1463
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,759
Speaker 1: go in. Boston's defense is the safest bet in sports

1464
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: right now. Every single night, they're gonna come out and

1465
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: make life a living hell for you. And they did

1466
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 1: it for seven games. Credit to Milwaukee for dragging it out,

1467
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 1: Credit to Janice for dragging it out. But Boston is

1468
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 1: really good man, and uh, I think we all need

1469
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: to be a little bit prepared for Boston potentially being

1470
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: around for a long time into June. All Right, we're

1471
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: gonna bring my guy Carson on. Let's talk about Jayson

1472
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: Tatum because we had a debate just the other day

1473
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 1: on whether or not he's been the second best guy

1474
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: throughout these playoffs. We've talked many times about his ascent

1475
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,440
Speaker 1: throughout the second half of this year. Has he officially

1476
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:52,719
Speaker 1: proven that he is a top tier superstar? Absolutely? I

1477
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: I think navigating through those two series the way he did,

1478
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: um it's it's undenied able at this point and again,

1479
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 1: it is a team effort. This Boston team has a

1480
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:09,000
Speaker 1: lot of talent, but to be clear, a huge portion

1481
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: of this Boston defense is what Jayson Tatum can do.

1482
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: A huge portion of what allows this Boston offensive function

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01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: is what Jayson Tatum can do. I know Marcus Smart

1484
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:21,240
Speaker 1: one defensive player of the Year, but I actually think

1485
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,679
Speaker 1: Jayson Tatum is the best defensive player on their roster.

1486
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 1: I think his versatility to be able to guard opposing wings,

1487
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: to play passing lanes, to help around the rim, I

1488
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: think I think Jayson Tatum is the best defender on

1489
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: the team. So he's the best defensive player and the

1490
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 1: best offensive player on the best team in basketball. And

1491
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: that's something that only a top tier two superstar could

1492
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: pull off. You know. His performance in Game six was,

1493
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 1: like we've talked about it on the show, the kind

1494
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,200
Speaker 1: of thing that when you're showing when when they make

1495
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: a documentary one day about Jayson Tatum, you know, thirty

1496
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: or forty years from now or whatever, like that game

1497
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: is gonna be on the reel as as the first

1498
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: signature playoff moment of Jayson Tatum's career. Tonight, he was

1499
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: very under control. He I put him in him and

1500
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: Marcus Smart were the two guys in particular. I thought

1501
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: that made the concerted effort to touch the paint before

1502
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: kicking the shooters, which I thought was hugely important. And

1503
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 1: then also when Boston wasn't shooting well early, Jason Tatum

1504
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: made his first four threes, and in a game like that,

1505
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:23,720
Speaker 1: kind of like with Milwaukee going for for thirty three,

1506
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: sometimes it just takes one guy that catches a heat

1507
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: or makes a few to change the psychology of those

1508
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: open shot opportunities, because when you're four for thirty three,

1509
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 1: usually everyone on the floor just feels like the rim

1510
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: is tiny, you know what I mean. But I thought

1511
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 1: Tatum coming out and knocking down his first four threes did.

1512
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,480
Speaker 1: I did a great job of just loosening up Boston's nervousness.

1513
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: He played a really controlled game tonight. They're not all

1514
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,040
Speaker 1: gonna be You're not always gonna make every step back

1515
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: three and pull up three that you take like he

1516
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: did in that fourth quarter in Game six, But you

1517
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: have to find ways to impact the game in other ways.

1518
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: He's great defensively, did a great job making plays first

1519
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: teammates and I made made enough offensive plays to to

1520
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, continue the offensive flow that they had. So yeah,

1521
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 1: I think it's well, we're gonna have to after this

1522
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: season really dive into where all these guys specifically land.

1523
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: But you know, I should say, when you say top

1524
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: tier superstar, I think the top tier is Joannice by himself.

1525
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 1: But I think I don't think it's because everyone else

1526
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,400
Speaker 1: got worse. I think it's because Joanna's elevated over everybody.

1527
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 1: So the the tier of superstars that has like the

1528
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: Lebron and the Kadi and stuff, I think Tatum is

1529
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: absolutely Like I think Jayson Tatum can look Lebron or

1530
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,240
Speaker 1: Katie in the I and be at the same level

1531
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: as them. Yeah, that's remarkable, but I think it's undeniable

1532
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: ities at that top tier superstar level. Now he has

1533
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: eliminated effectively every weakness that existed within his game, and

1534
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 1: there's still some inconsistency with maybe some decision making, and

1535
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 1: he still does rely on the difficult shot making, but

1536
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 1: less than before. He's great at it. And the production,

1537
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:05,240
Speaker 1: the two way ability, the efficiency, it's just all there.

1538
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he is undeniably at that level, I think,

1539
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: and the Celtics are undeniably at that top tier contender level,

1540
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: and you have been on that for a long time,

1541
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 1: an adamant lever in their ceiling and what they've been

1542
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 1: able to do. So is the Celtics season officially title

1543
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: or bust? Now? Oh? Absolutely? I think. I think if

1544
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 1: you're Boston, Miami, Golden State, or Phoenix in particular, it's

1545
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,679
Speaker 1: title or bust. The only teams that you should feel

1546
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 1: okay with not winning is this Dallas team, right because

1547
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily have enough talent to to compete. You know,

1548
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 1: Milwaukee shouldn't be hanging their heads either, because you were

1549
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: a massive underdog in this series without Chris. You know,

1550
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: after the Brooklyn series, I thought Boston was a the

1551
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: the the the number one contender like with everyone else

1552
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,160
Speaker 1: below them. And the main reason why was Devin Booker

1553
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 1: at the time was injured, right, So, like I didn't

1554
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 1: know what that was gonna due to the Western Conference

1555
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: situation and Steph Curry obviously we didn't know what to

1556
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 1: expect with his foot injury and and what all could

1557
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: happen there. Um. But one of the things I've learned

1558
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 1: in this series is you can't trust their offense, especially

1559
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:18,519
Speaker 1: against switching defenses. You know, Uh, this Miami matchup is

1560
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: gonna get super interesting like this, I would hammer the

1561
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: under on every single game of this Boston Miami series

1562
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 1: because I think both of these teams are gonna switch

1563
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: every single screen, and Miami in particular doesn't have nearly

1564
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 1: enough isolation shot creation I think in order to really

1565
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 1: have an affect to create generate enough offense. But I

1566
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 1: also think that Miami switching attack will stagnate Boston a

1567
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 1: lot and get them into those isolation contests. The difference

1568
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: was with Milwaukee, they were coming down after those switching possessions,

1569
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: after they forced Tatum to miss a fifteen footer, or

1570
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: they were coming down in honest was just barreling everybody

1571
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 1: over and going right to the rim. Miami doesn't have

1572
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 1: that luxury. As a matter of fact, I think Boston's

1573
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,960
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get away with pretty basic single

1574
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: coverage against every player on that roster, and as a

1575
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: result of that, like I think they're gonna be like, hey,

1576
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: if if if Jimmy Butler wants to pick on matchups

1577
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: all night long, be our guest, Like he's just not

1578
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: the same stratosphere a player as Johannest. So that series

1579
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: is gonna get really, really ugly, But I think Boston

1580
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: is going to control it. Will end up doing a

1581
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: preview of that series at some point in the future.

1582
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: That's a little bit more detailed. Hi, it's Colin Coward.

1583
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: I started the volume to bring you some of the

1584
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 1: most apathetic voices in sports. While you're here, make sure

1585
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:43,759
Speaker 1: you hit subscribe. Thanks. We've talked a lot about how

1586
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 1: spectacular he was throughout this series, trying to overcome the

1587
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,519
Speaker 1: Middleton absence and what you have called the best defense

1588
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,320
Speaker 1: of this era. But at the end of the day,

1589
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 1: the Bucks did fall short. So does Janice deserve any

1590
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: criticism for that? Hell, absolutely not. Now, he didn't have

1591
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: a great night tonight, but I did think it was

1592
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: a product of all those things that I talked about.

1593
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: He came out absolute gangbusters, doing everything to try to

1594
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: steal this game in that first quarter, and nobody else

1595
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,519
Speaker 1: on the team showed up, literally nobody. And then as

1596
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: the like we talked about, as the shooting started to

1597
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 1: pile up and become a problem, the wall just got

1598
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:28,600
Speaker 1: more and more dramatic and it just became impossible for

1599
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 1: Joannice at that point. Now, will there be if there

1600
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: ever comes a time where Jannie can start punishing people

1601
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: over the top by knocking down consistent jump shots, then

1602
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 1: then that's when that's when we're talking about potentially the

1603
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: best basketball player that's ever played the game. Right, But

1604
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: like in this in this specific case, like to me

1605
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: that the box score numbers tonight were more product of

1606
01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: just the way the game unfolded. But this is my

1607
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: biggest pet peeve because you know, I obviously I'm a

1608
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: Lebron fan, but this doesn't just apply to Lebron. This

1609
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: applies to all of the basket while players of this era.

1610
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,000
Speaker 1: Because there is no Michael Jordan in this field. We

1611
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: don't have a guy that went six and oh in

1612
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,919
Speaker 1: the finals, even though Michael Jordan lost plenty of playoffs

1613
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: series in his career. But how many of you guys

1614
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 1: are familiar with the the three six mafia phrase? I

1615
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 1: got used to get thrown around all the time referencing

1616
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 1: Lebron fans, right, and obviously four six mafia just doesn't

1617
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: quite have the same ring to it. But that phrase

1618
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 1: used to always bother me, just simply in the sense

1619
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: that it was such a weird way to look at

1620
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: this particular sport. Don't get me wrong, like, basketball is

1621
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,799
Speaker 1: unique in the sense that one player can impact winning

1622
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: more so than any other sports that I'm aware of

1623
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 1: in terms of team sports. You know, even if you

1624
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: are Clayton Kershaw, the best picture of this era, if

1625
01:24:49,160 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: you can shut the other team down in Game one

1626
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: of the World Series, that's great. We're not seeing you

1627
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 1: again until game five, you know, like if we we've

1628
01:24:57,200 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 1: seen Tom Brady with a bad offensive line lose in

1629
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: early playoff rounds, right, like you just the uniquely in basketball,

1630
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: one player can put a stamp on the game in

1631
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: ways that other other sports that's not the same. However,

1632
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 1: even that only goes so far. Tatum is really good,

1633
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: but Tatum is not nearly as good as Yournice, not

1634
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: in the same stratosphere. Be honest, I think he's on

1635
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: a tier by himself atop the league right now. And

1636
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: he literally had there was nothing he could have done

1637
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 1: tonight to win that game and there and there and

1638
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: too often anytime any individual player loses. And this is

1639
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: part of that stupid stand culture that's kind of taken

1640
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,040
Speaker 1: over with NBA fans, where it's like, no, everyone just

1641
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 1: really like kind of aligns behind one player and then

1642
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 1: everything that they do in the way they talk about

1643
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: the game is to denigrate all of his rivals and

1644
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: to uplift his It's like apologists for they're just all apologists, basically.

1645
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: And not only is it bad for just the way

1646
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 1: we talked about the game of basketball, but it's really

1647
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: unfair to these guys because it's just not realistic. It's

1648
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: not the way that this works. I thought Kevin Durant

1649
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 1: was the best basketball player in last year's playoffs. I

1650
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 1: thought he tapped into an incredible level of basketball last

1651
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: year in that series against the Bucks with his co

1652
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 1: star injured with an ankle and his other co star

1653
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:19,719
Speaker 1: on a bad hamstring, and he damn near stole that series.

1654
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 1: But he lost. And I had Janice fans calling me

1655
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: crazy for saying that I thought Katie was the better

1656
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 1: player in that series, but he was. He played better

1657
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: basketball than Yannie in that series, and damn near swung

1658
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,360
Speaker 1: the outcome of a series that he had no business

1659
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:38,719
Speaker 1: even being competitive in. And that's what happened here. Janice

1660
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: had no business even being competitive in this series. I

1661
01:26:41,600 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 1: picked Boston in five. They were a massive favorite before

1662
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 1: the series. There was no reason in the world why

1663
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 1: they should have even been playing this game today except

1664
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:55,679
Speaker 1: for how great Janice is two eighteen. That so many

1665
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 1: parallels between that that series with Lebron and the Celtics

1666
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand eighteen, same thing they're They're sitting in

1667
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: overtime of Game one of the NBA Finals against the

1668
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:11,280
Speaker 1: Golden State Warriors. They have no business being there except

1669
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:14,880
Speaker 1: for Lebron tapping into something that no basketball player in

1670
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen could tap into. All three of those

1671
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 1: guys and those specific scenarios I mentioned, I thought were

1672
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: the best players in the world in those seasons, and

1673
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,639
Speaker 1: none of them got the trophy. So as much as

1674
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: winning is all that matters within the team concept, and

1675
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm big on that, I don't like, you know,

1676
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not I'm not I don't like diminishing

1677
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: winning because winning is all that matters. But that's within

1678
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 1: the team concept. Criticizing individuals every time they don't hoist

1679
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: the trophy to me is super disingenuous, It's unfair, and

1680
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: it's just it's just low brow, you know, the unintelligent

1681
01:27:53,960 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 1: basketball conversation. It's just not something I'm interested in, Like

1682
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 1: your honest to me is unquestionably the bad basketball player

1683
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: in the world, and he lost in his second round

1684
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: this year. Here's what I don't want to hear us

1685
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: having a goat conversation in twenty years and someone going,

1686
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: remember when Janice lost in the second round two that,

1687
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: like that's weak, No, it's not. He he was the

1688
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: best player like that. That's just something that we got

1689
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 1: a ditch and in the entire way that we talked

1690
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:23,280
Speaker 1: about this game. Yeah, I totally agree with you philosophically,

1691
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 1: and we do see it very consistently. And I think

1692
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: to a specific debate, like after it was announced that

1693
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: Yoki was m VP, there was a lot of talk about, okay,

1694
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: but he isn't still here, and specifically EMBIID advocates and

1695
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,680
Speaker 1: stands pointed to that fact. But it really says a

1696
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 1: lot about the way that you lose. Obviously, EMBID lost

1697
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 1: in pretty humiliating fashion. Yokich lost playing basically an offensive masterpiece,

1698
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 1: and Janice lost averaging thirty fifteen and seven against the

1699
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,400
Speaker 1: best defense in the league. So I agree with you.

1700
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,160
Speaker 1: I'll try to play Devil's advocate a little bit. I

1701
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 1: think obviously this was a herculean task, right because this

1702
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 1: team is just not equipped in terms of shot creation,

1703
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: like you said, and it wasn't just be honest. I mean,

1704
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: I think Drew had to take on much more significant

1705
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: offensive volume for a lot of this series than he

1706
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: probably would have wanted because they don't have shot creators elsewhere.

1707
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: But it is an inefficient series from you, honest, there's

1708
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 1: probably too many of the bad jump shots and he

1709
01:29:18,439 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 1: only shoots from three and forty six percent from the field.

1710
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 1: I don't know that you could really say that he

1711
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: forced it because it did feel necessary. But I know

1712
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 1: you said that he did everything, and I think that

1713
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 1: I largely agree. But is there anything that you would

1714
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 1: look at from this series and say Janice should have

1715
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 1: done this better? And is there any part of you

1716
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 1: that resonates at all with the well, I mean, a

1717
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: guy really does have to be held accountable for if

1718
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 1: his team comes up short again. But here's the thing, Carson, Like,

1719
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 1: let's say, okay, let's say that Janice also has Kevin

1720
01:29:53,479 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 1: Durant's jump shot, so like he and mix in all

1721
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: these possessions is coming down and like pulling up three,

1722
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 1: he's off the dribble and making him you know, for

1723
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: first of all, now we're talking about a mon star. Okay,

1724
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:07,719
Speaker 1: we're not talking about an NBA player, We're talking about

1725
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: an alien. We're now we are now building a created

1726
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:13,439
Speaker 1: player in NBA two K with the sliders all the

1727
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 1: way up. Who seven ft tall? That's just not realistic. Okay,

1728
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: like that, If that guy ever exists, then I don't know.

1729
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen in the game

1730
01:30:20,160 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: of basketball. But the second thing is Milwaukee shop four

1731
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 1: for thirty three from three tonight and all of them

1732
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: were open because of Janice. So here's the thing. Like,

1733
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: I think the best basketball player that I have seen

1734
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: live in my lifetime is two thousand eighteen Lebron. I

1735
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:40,840
Speaker 1: still think MJ is the goat based on all of

1736
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 1: the film that I've read, all the books that I've read,

1737
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 1: and I trust people that were around during that time,

1738
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: But like I can't, I didn't see him with my

1739
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: own eyes live. Okay, I watched Lebron James live in

1740
01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: two thousand eighteen, and that was the best basketball player

1741
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 1: that I had ever seen. I could have dropped him

1742
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 1: into this game tonight and he's losing because his teammates

1743
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,799
Speaker 1: are gonna a four for thirty three from three there's

1744
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: this is a team sport. There is a dynamic. We

1745
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 1: always talk about that, like cascading effect. It's like the

1746
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 1: more guys, the more shots you guys make, the more

1747
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,040
Speaker 1: things are opened up. The more the more they miss,

1748
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,480
Speaker 1: the more things closed down on you. What would inevitably

1749
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: happen if I dropped two thousand eighteen Lebron into this

1750
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: game is he'd be turned into a jump shooter because

1751
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 1: there'd be absolutely no driving lanes because nothing would be

1752
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 1: open around the basket because his teammates aren't often aren't

1753
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: knocking down open threes, and he might go he might

1754
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: make two or three of the threes that Janice smissed

1755
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: and two or three of the midrange pull ups that

1756
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 1: Janice missed, and they lose by nine instead of by

1757
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen or whatever. It was, Like you just

1758
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 1: it's just not a realistic it's it's people, and I

1759
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:45,800
Speaker 1: get it. I like to me, where it becomes an

1760
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,880
Speaker 1: issue is when you're looking at the Joel Embiide situation,

1761
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,519
Speaker 1: where it's like, dude, you're you're playing a minami heat

1762
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: team that's not as talented as you like. Now I

1763
01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 1: have to look at the results with you Okay, did

1764
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 1: you did some of your teammates not play well? Yeah,

1765
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,400
Speaker 1: that's true, but you should have been able to overcome that.

1766
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: You had the talent. You know, last year when uh

1767
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,600
Speaker 1: and beat in the Sixers lost the Atlanta Hawks, Like,

1768
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: you know, it's Lane Blaman, Ben Simmons when you were

1769
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,720
Speaker 1: playing you know, Trey Young and a bunch of role

1770
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 1: players and you lost at home in a game seven

1771
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 1: like that, I can't look at But like when you're

1772
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: watching a game and there's a clear talent chasm, it's

1773
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,920
Speaker 1: just it's not real. It's not it's not fair criticism.

1774
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:28,040
Speaker 1: Like the my least favorite example of this is people

1775
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: will point to k D hitting a pull up three

1776
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,879
Speaker 1: over Lebron in Game three of the two thousand seventeen

1777
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Finals as like some huge marker of him out playing

1778
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:40,520
Speaker 1: Lebron in the series, when literally that was the fifteen

1779
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:44,880
Speaker 1: consecutive game that Golden State team had won in the playoffs,

1780
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:50,559
Speaker 1: they were undefeated in the playoffs. That's not That's not

1781
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: any sort of mono imano type of battle between Katie

1782
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 1: and Lebron. That's the greatest basketball team ever assembled going

1783
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 1: against that caste. It's a totally different vibe, and so

1784
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: again with this kind of stuff, it's just I understand

1785
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:06,599
Speaker 1: that it's part of like the take culture, and I

1786
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 1: understand that we as a society we love to lift

1787
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: people up when they win and burn them down when

1788
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: they lose. But sometimes it's more complicated than that. And

1789
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 1: that's all I'm saying. All Right, guys, that is all

1790
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: I have for tonight. As always, I sincerely appreciate your support.

1791
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,720
Speaker 1: I am super excited for these Conference Finals. It's going

1792
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:25,839
Speaker 1: to be incredible. Stay tuned either late tomorrow or early

1793
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. I'll have a couple I'll watch some film

1794
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning, and I'll have a couple of Conference Finals

1795
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 1: previews coming out that you guys will see. As always,

1796
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 1: I sincerely appreciate your support and we will see you

1797
01:33:35,560 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: on Tuesday night. After the final buzzer of Heat Celtics,

1798
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:02,799
Speaker 1: the volume