1 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: All right, another episode of splash Hit. We're over in London, England. Still, 2 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm at Susan. It's Wade's World, Wade's World. Excellent, were 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: the same. We're in Susan's house. 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 2: Why isn't there a screen right here? 5 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in Susan's house in Camden and we just 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: got back from Liverpool. 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 3: We saw Premier League match. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna get to that later because I want to 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: talk about how cool that was. I'm not a soccer 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: guy all of a sudden a soccer guy, but you know, 11 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: this is a Giants podcast. We're gonna talk about Giants. 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of talk about the Winter 13 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: Meetings in trade chat. So we've talked about free agents. 14 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: We covered a lot of British baseball stuff last time, 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: but I think, you know, the Winter meetings are super interesting. 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: A lot of action tends to happen at the Winter Meetings. 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: So we're gonna touch on that to begin with. And 18 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: you know, Susan, the Giants have made it clear they're 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: not gonna commit long term to a pitcher. I still 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: have my about that because I would never want to 21 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: play my hands if I was in front office. I 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: would keep it close to the vest and maybe lead 23 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: somebody down a different road and then do the okie 24 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: dope and sign a guy. 25 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 3: That's how I would do it. I wouldn't put it 26 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 3: out in the media. 27 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: I have no offense, but maybe we talk about some 28 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: trade things with the Giants and the winter meetings coming up. 29 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: Well, I know we've you know, obviously chatted about this 30 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: a little bit beforehand. But the big question on everyone's 31 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: mind is would the Giants trade Bryce Eldridge? That came 32 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 2: up last year. The Giants were pretty clear, no, of 33 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: course not, We're not going to trade Bryce with Bryce Eldridge. 34 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: And teams that talked to the Giants that asked about 35 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: Bryce Eldridge and I talked to a few gms after 36 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: that got shut down pretty quickly. 37 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 3: What do you do? 38 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: You would you trade somebody, you know, twenty one year 39 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: old with potential thirty to forty home run poker? 40 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: You got to look at the twenty thousand foot view 41 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: of this, I think, and I jokingly said a couple 42 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: of podcasts ago with you that I would trade them 43 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: for Bryce Harper. But when you think about Tony Vitello 44 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: as his manager, and how Tony develops young guys, and 45 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: you know, the ceiling I thinks even greater with the 46 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: relatability with the young manager who's coach college kids. 47 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: And that's in essence what Bryce Eldridge is a college kid. 48 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: That said, I think anybody's on the table if you get. 49 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 3: The right package that you want from a different team. 50 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 1: And obviously with Bryce Eldridge, you're gonna name some names 51 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: here coming up, because we talked about this. 52 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 3: If it was a big. 53 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 1: Name, I would have to think about it a little bit, 54 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: even though he might be the future of first base, 55 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: I'd have to think about it. 56 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: If it was somebody that could help us. 57 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: Win right away now, it would have to be somebody 58 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: that's controllable in the long term. 59 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: You're not just writing a player for Bryce that just 60 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 3: say no. No, You did not say up more go go. 61 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: I you know it does have to be you know, 62 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: I know we've talked a little bit about Bryce Harper, 63 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: Bryce for Bryce trade. Whoo. To me, it's got to 64 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: can't be somebody on later in his career. I mean, 65 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: Bryce Harper has plenty left in him, don't get me wrong, 66 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: But you need more than that, do you. He's not 67 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: going to go for you know, some of the guys 68 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: that we've also mentioned before, like a Freddie Peralta. You'd 69 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: have to get more than that. You'd have to get, 70 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: you know, or a Joe Ryan and maybe a Byron Buxton. 71 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: That's the sort of like you'd have to get two 72 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: guys somebody on it with time remaining on like a 73 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: decent contract that the giants are willing to pay obviously 74 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: a position of need, or a young guy with a 75 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: very good contract, or it would have to be somebody 76 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: like a scoobl or A Schemes. You know, every once 77 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 2: in a while you see those names thrown out there. 78 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: I'm like, why would they do that? I mean, this 79 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: is some some outlets said ten percent chance that they'll 80 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: trade Scooble, Like that's a ninety chance or not. Like 81 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: these are names that are very unlikely to be available. 82 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: Sure I would trade a Bryce All and a few 83 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: other guys to get Scooball or A Schemes, But I 84 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 2: just don't see that happening. So I just don't. I 85 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: don't know if Eldridge is a guy who will go 86 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: simply because I don't see the big names with a 87 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: long term type deals available, doesn't mean, that's not possible, 88 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 2: but I think that there are going to be lots 89 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: of guys that the Giants could probably look at otherwise. 90 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: But I know mob trade rumors was running kind of 91 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 2: a pole on should the Giants would the Giants, which 92 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: I think is interesting. I think everybody's going to be 93 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: talking about this in the next week. You know that 94 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 2: because teams are so interested in Bryce Eldridge. But if 95 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: teams are interested in Bryce Eldridge, doesn't that tell you 96 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 2: maybe hang on to them. 97 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. We talked about this on the 98 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: train back from Liverpool. 99 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: This is my least favorite thing to talk about it 100 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: as a broadcaster, as a player, because these are real 101 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: lives we're talking about. 102 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: These are guys getting traded, going to different places, and I. 103 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: Know it's what you talk about in the winter, and 104 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: I know the Giants fans just reading on our and 105 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: on social media, we're really upset about the Japanese pitcher's name. 106 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: I learn how to say it, thank you, and and 107 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 3: maybe they're out on him. 108 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: I still don't think I'll react at the end of 109 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: the off season when it's time to react. 110 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 3: But I just hate sit here and playing GM and scenarios. 111 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 1: I know it's what people want to talk about in 112 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: the off season, but it's just my least favorite thing 113 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: to talk about. But with Bryce Eldridge, you have a 114 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: piece that could be a future All Star and maybe 115 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: a future MVP at age twenty four twenty five. And 116 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: then you're talking about, you know, a cornerstone of your 117 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: your franchise for a long long time. 118 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 3: And when you have a young manager that. 119 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: You could marry to this kid for a long amount 120 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: of time, and you're thinking Tony Vitello is going to 121 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: be around, that's why they hired a young manager. That's 122 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: that would be a hard one for me to sign 123 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: off on. That would take a lot of you know what, 124 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: like see, yeah, let's do that deal. But if it 125 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: makes sense to you and it helps you compete with 126 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: the Dodgers, and more importantly, it helps you makes you 127 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: a better team for a long time, not just I 128 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 1: guess it's something you think about, but the hot stove talk, I. 129 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 3: Know that's what we do. It's literally you know how 130 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 3: much I hate this? 131 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: Okay, well would you do? Would you do? You do 132 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: hate this? But it is it's fun and I know 133 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 2: it's what you giants fans like to talk about this 134 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:17,239 Speaker 2: time of year. What else are we going to talk about? 135 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 2: We will talk about some other things later. I think 136 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: we'll talk a little bit of Sam Hunches, maybe a 137 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 2: little bit of Casey Schmidt is his wrist. But you know, 138 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 2: would you do like a Hunter Green maybe for Bryce 139 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: Eldridge throwing someone else If they're going to get a 140 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: top line starter via a trade rather than a big deal, 141 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: they might have to trade somebody like like Bryce. You know, 142 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: there's it's kind of the next guy down who's a 143 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: prospect that's probably tradeable with someone like Carson wizen Hunt, 144 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 2: which a nice player, really nice player. I absolutely love 145 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 2: that curveball, love it. I mean, change up, but I 146 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 2: just don't. I don't think you're going to get a 147 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: huge hall unless you throw in. 148 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: You you trade for Bryce Harper, you sign Kyle Schrobert, 149 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: put him in and left, you signed j t Relmuto, 150 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: and then you call yourself the Philadelphia San. 151 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: Franciscans and then that's your team for the year. 152 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: But I mean jokingly, but if you had those guys, now, 153 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: you know, we've. 154 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 3: Seen this in the Premier League. 155 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: And I used to hate soccer before I came to 156 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: this trip, and now I'm starting to like it a 157 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: little bit. It's not always spending the most money. And 158 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: I know Giants fans are going to hate that comment 159 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: because of the Dodgers, but it's more about It's more 160 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: about people buying into their roles and trying to be 161 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: all stars at their roles and buying into the philosophy. 162 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: Of an organization. 163 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: Because you can go out and get all the best 164 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: players and if they don't mesh and they don't come together. 165 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: We talked about the Dodgers when they won the World Series. 166 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: The reason why the Dodgers won the World Series is 167 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: they had really good players, but players that keep each 168 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 1: other accountable and buy into playing winning baseball. If everyone's 169 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: just trying to put up their numbers and everyone's just 170 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: trying to like get their media endorsements over here, all 171 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you have a fractured group. I always 172 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: said the greatest thing about Joe Tory with the Yankees 173 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: in the ear late nineties and early two thousands was 174 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: he got everybody to check their egos at the door. 175 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: And I've told this story on air many times. First 176 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: day of spring training as a Yankee, Jason Giambi went 177 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: there in the big contract. I went as a non 178 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: roster invite and the very first day at camp, Joe 179 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: Torrey came in and he said, hey, look, if. 180 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 3: We win here, everything takes care of itself. 181 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: But mister Steinbrenner says, anything but a championship is a failure. 182 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: And he goes, I get too much credit as a manager. 183 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: He goes Jeter gets too much credit as a short stop. 184 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: He goes Jay Pisada and a rocket and he just 185 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: went around the room. He said, but if we win, 186 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: everything takes care of itself. And he was so magical 187 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: of getting all these egos to check themselves in at 188 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: the door and to be synergistic in an approach where 189 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: it's all we care about is winning a championship and 190 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: having him parade. And I think Dave Roberts has done 191 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: that brilliantly in Los Angeles, where you could have all 192 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: these this talent. You know, your team here, the soccer 193 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: team that you root for, Liverpool. They went outside the 194 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: million guys for a million dollars and all these guys 195 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: are making a lot of money and they can't win. 196 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: So while as Giants fans, we want them to go 197 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: out and do all these sexy deals and sign all 198 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: these big To me, it's more about a team that 199 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: comes together and buys in to what we're doing here, 200 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: and then you buy into your assigned role and try. 201 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: To be an all star in that role. 202 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: Whether you're a bench guy, whether you're a frontline player, 203 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: whether relief pitcher, whether you're a starting pitcher, you buy 204 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: into your role and you're going to do your role 205 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: the best you can. And everybody checks her egos at 206 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 1: the door. Where were we We're talking about free agents 207 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: the winner meetings. 208 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: Now, I was going to disagree with you about the 209 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 2: Dodgers because you were like, Oh, it's the winning attitude 210 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: and stuff. It's a lot of money they've got. Show hey, 211 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 2: o Toddy, they've got unlimited resources. And to me, one 212 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: of the main reasons that they win is they've got 213 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: like the best depth too. They don't just spend just 214 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: on four or five big long term contracts like some 215 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: teams do. They're spending on like all the role players too, 216 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: and they've got that's where the buy in is. The 217 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 2: role guys too, like they've got and they know they're 218 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: really good at picking and choosing those guys. The buy 219 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: in from those guys is great, but the talent level 220 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 2: and the depth, holy cow. 221 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 3: Well, that's why I think the Giants need to improve. 222 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: We're looking at all the sexy names, but seven, eight, 223 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: and nine have to be tough outs for the Giants 224 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: this year. 225 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 3: They can't be automatic outs. 226 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: And there was a long period throughout the season when 227 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: you got past six, seven, eight and nine, there was 228 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: just some non competitive at bats down there, if I'm 229 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: being honest, And when you have a guy like Miguel 230 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: Rojas who won the Dodgers of the World Series or 231 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: was a big part of it, or you know Key 232 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: ca Hernandez, and you look at guys like that, they 233 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: don't have to be three hundred hitters, but they have 234 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: to be able to bun. 235 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: A guy over. 236 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: Give me a good at seven, eight, nine, pitch at 237 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: bat files and draw a walk, hit behind the runner, 238 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: be adept. 239 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: With the bat to do it, per form a hit 240 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: and run, and just be a tough out. You can 241 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 3: hit two thirty, two forty, maybe two fifty and be 242 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 3: a tough out. But now you're making the pitcher fire bullets. 243 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: You're getting into bullpens, which I don't even know if 244 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: that's a good thing anymore because everybody throw one hundred 245 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: and ten in a bullpen, but like, just make the 246 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: lineup a little more tough to get through at the 247 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: bottom of the order. Those guys picked it up with 248 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: Drew Gilbert and Patrick Bailey toward the end of the 249 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: year where he started to grind out some at bats, 250 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: But that that would be the first thing. I mean, 251 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: we're talking about starting pitching, we're talking about bullpen, We're 252 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: talking about signing a. 253 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: Big bat, the guys that win you games over six months. 254 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 3: And obviously advice to this or the scrappy guys at the. 255 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: Bottom of the lineup, the bench, the bench, gyple position. 256 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 3: Depth, you gotta have depth. 257 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just since we're talking about trades today, mostly trades, 258 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: I think that's doable. So who do you go after 259 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: via trades? Who are guys that could just help? I 260 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: think the biggest emphasis and I keep saying, this is 261 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: the offense. You know, in past years, I've mentioned in 262 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: the paper a lot Luis Robert. He's still available, and 263 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure why he's still out there. We've talked, 264 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,239 Speaker 2: we've talked a little bit about Retchmand at different times. 265 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: I think he's somebody that could have could help them. 266 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: There's certainly some starting pitchers available potentially via trains. Again, 267 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to get names I mentioned 268 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: last year because I think there's still possibilities like Luis Castillo, 269 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: Luis Severino. I mean, he's got to have a bounce 270 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: back back year for me, and you think the A's 271 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 2: aren't going to trade him. So I think there's going 272 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: to be an awful lot of possibilities via trades that way. 273 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: And these are not guys who are going to take 274 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: a Bryce Eldridge to get at all. What are your 275 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: thoughts on picking up maybe a couple extra guys from 276 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 2: via trades who could just like you're saying, help somewhere. 277 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just trade for all the Luisa's. 278 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: According to you, everybody named Luis is a Giant next year, 279 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: and then according to me, everybody everybody in Philadelphia is 280 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: going to be. 281 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: A Giant this year. Rob Thompson's just named the bench coach. 282 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 3: But we've all got our things. I guess you could 283 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 3: be creative in trades with just to bolster your bench. 284 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: I just think depth and when you have injuries, and 285 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: the Giants just found out that Casey Schmid had surgery, 286 00:12:58,800 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: so we should probably. 287 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 3: Touch on that. Yeah, just all this stuff I said before. 288 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: I don't want to repeat myself like I do on 289 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 3: this podcast every single time. 290 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: Sure please, yes, And making the leadoff hitter, he puts 291 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: the ball in play, he's a gold glub left fielder. 292 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: He's got a cannon. He beat the Giants with his 293 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: arm last year. He's a local guy. Yeah, that to me, 294 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: that's your lead off hitter, and you just put them 295 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: there and it makes you go from here to here 296 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: immediately with one player. 297 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not surprised his name keeps coming up 298 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: in trade rumors, which it did last year at the 299 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: at the trade deadline. I'm surprised that it does keep 300 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 2: coming up because look what he's done for that team, 301 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: and that's a playoff team. I don't That's another one 302 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: where I don't see it happening, but people talk about 303 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: it so much. I always go like, is there something 304 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: to that? But then he stays, if I'm Steven Vote, 305 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: and we both know Steven Vote pretty well, I'm saying, like, 306 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: I know I'm hanging on to that. That's Steven like 307 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: they're hanging on to the Stevens. I'm gonna get all 308 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: the Luis's. They're hanging on to the Stevens in Cleveland. 309 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: But you listen to everything as a president of baseball operation, 310 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: as a general manager. That's why nobody's off the table, 311 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: because you throw trades out there, You've put some lines 312 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: in the water, and if all of a sudden, somebody 313 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 1: bites and you're getting the best deal ever. 314 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 3: Like the Trede Turner deal the DC from the Padres. 315 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: Like that was Pedro Martinez got traded to the Montreal 316 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: Expos because of Mike Lansing playing in a ball for 317 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: the Miami Miracle. The Miami Miracle didn't even have a 318 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: big league affiliation. Mike Lansing played at Wichita State University 319 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: or Wichita, I forget which one. 320 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 3: He got drafted by the Marlins. 321 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: Can you imagine your whole life and you finally get 322 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: drafted by the Miami Miracle. 323 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, the Miami Miracle. Let me back up a 324 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: little bit. 325 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: He got drafted by the Miami Miracle with no affiliation, 326 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: just the a ball team in the Florida State Leaue. 327 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: The Expos scouts saw this kid at a ball and said, look, 328 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: he can really play. 329 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 3: We like this guy. 330 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: So Delino Deshields was the incumbent first baseman for the 331 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: Montreal Expos that was all star quality. They saw this 332 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: kid in a ball and they traded Delino Deshields to 333 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: the Dodgers for some kid named Pedro Martinez. Then he 334 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: was Ramon Martinez's little brother. He didn't know where the 335 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: ball was going. He had a big arm. So you 336 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: can make creative trades and all of a sudden they're 337 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: historic trades. In the trade turner one, I can't even 338 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: tell you who Mike Grizzo got from the or sent 339 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: to the Padres for him. But like so those are 340 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: the kind of things you always have feelers out there. 341 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: And if the fish bites and you're like in your room, going, 342 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: no way they're going to do this trade? 343 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? That's when you pull the trigger 344 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 3: on these. 345 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: And sometimes it's not the big names, but if you 346 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: rely on your scouting and your development department, and you 347 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: have boots on the ground and you've put all the 348 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: hay in the barn and done your homework, you can 349 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: really fleece some organizations with some great trades. 350 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you mentioned the Miami Miracle. By the way, 351 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 2: as an aside, the first player that the Miami Miracle 352 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: ever took in the big league draft was in nineteen 353 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: eighty eight. They took Paul Carey, a friend of mine 354 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: from Stanford won the College World First Series for the 355 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: first Stanford the year before. Fantastic dude. I think it 356 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: was eighty eight, somewhere in there, eighty nine. Maybe he 357 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: was a little younger than me, so it might begin 358 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: in the year round. This was a great player, really 359 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: great player, never to be heard of really basically again, 360 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: because he went to the Miami Miracle. He didn't get 361 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 2: drafted by a little like a real team with development program. 362 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: Such a shame man, and like I'm sure he never 363 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: complained about it, but oh yeah, that's crazy. 364 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: Who'd you get drafted by, I don't know, independent team 365 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: in the Florida State League named the Miami Miracle. 366 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: Were you going to get called up to nowhere? 367 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: So brutal, so brutal? What a dark kind of few 368 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: years in baseball history with a Miami Miracle somehow getting 369 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: into the draft. 370 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about the new player for the Giants, 371 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 3: a relief pitcher. 372 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: We both did our homework today once we got back 373 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: into your flat here in London. 374 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: About the lefty and the bullpen, Sam Henches, Did I 375 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: say that right? Good? 376 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: I'm a broadcaster that's bad with names. You guys should 377 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: see before the broadcast. I like, I'm running around the 378 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: boogor one. How do you see this guy's name? How 379 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: do you see this guy's name? But when I go 380 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: on air, I know all the name. So maybe you 381 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: want to talk about the newest lefty for the San 382 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: Francisco Giants. 383 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 2: Well, Sam Hinch's it's interesting. He's six foot six. 384 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: I like that. 385 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 2: I like that with a lefty, and uh, he's coming 386 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 2: off a couple surgeries, kind of a minor arthroscopic knee surgery, 387 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: but he's also coming off a shoulder capsule surgery. And 388 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 2: most of you and certainly you know that when you 389 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 2: talk about pictures and shoulders, that's the one you don't want. 390 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 2: It's not always in sort of an automatic return. There's 391 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: usually a cup. Look, this is a I think it 392 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 2: was a one point four million, one year deal. It's 393 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: not a huge investment. If they try it and it works, fantastic, 394 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 2: he could look great. The stuff where you're going to 395 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 2: talk about that in a second. The stuff sounds phenomenal, 396 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: And you know, I remember seeing him. He had a 397 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: great year in twenty twenty two, kind of like everybody 398 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 2: kind of took notice, but you know, he was released. 399 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 2: This is a younger guy coming off of a release 400 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 2: and a major shoulder surgery. So the concerns there, And 401 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 2: I know there were a lot of eyebrows raised when 402 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: Joey La Caasey was not brought back. My feeling is, 403 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: you can still re sign Joey L Casey if he 404 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: doesn't go elsewhere. Obviously he's got that option to go 405 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: everywhere anywhere wants. He's local, all things being equal, you know, 406 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: I kind of hope he'd like to come back to 407 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: the Giants. He seemed like a good fit. He did 408 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 2: really kind of loose some steam in August and September, 409 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: not really surprising considering the workload in the middle of 410 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: the season, and his July was about as good a 411 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: July for a left hand or reliever as I've seen 412 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 2: in a long time. He didn't give up a run 413 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: eleven appearances. He was nails. He really you know, look, 414 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 2: it was a disappointing mirror for the Giants. But he 415 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: really did his part. He more than pulled his weight 416 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: for me. So i'd I'd love to see Joey Lukeasey 417 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: back somehow anyway. But clearly the Giants were kind of 418 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: looking at Sam Henches as a guy like this is 419 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: a high, high potential reward, very low risk guy for them, 420 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: which I like, what have you thought of the stuff? 421 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: Well, you know, just watch it on video today and 422 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: recently when they signed him. Six foot six, really downhill 423 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: lefty and fastball's ninety five ninety six. If he's healthy, 424 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: you guys say that, and it sounds. 425 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 3: Like he's going to be. 426 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: They wouldn't have taken this chance. But a one point 427 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: four million dollar chance is a smart chance in my book. 428 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: But it's the slider, it's tight, it's late, it's high eighties, nasty, 429 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: twelve six hammer to go with it, swagger on the mound. 430 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: You guys go check him out right now. He looks 431 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: like Tristan's Tristan Beck's left handed twin brother. Like they're 432 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: dead on. I was like, wait, is this Tristan Beck 433 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: throwing left handed? But they get the images of yeah, 434 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: but the stuff plays, man, this guy's filthy. So if 435 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,119 Speaker 1: he's healthy, and he's the guy that I just watched 436 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: in Arizona. In Cleveland, I think the Giants got to 437 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: steal here. And those are the kind of sneaky moves 438 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: that go under the radar where I know the Giants 439 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: want the big Giants, fans want the big sexy moves, right, 440 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: so we get all excited, but hey, I'm still reserving 441 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: my opinion to the end of the off season, when 442 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: they're in camp and they're in Scottsdale, and we'll see 443 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: what the body of work is here before we lose 444 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: our minds with a rumor we hear here or there. 445 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: But this guy's good. Joey Lucasey. I could talk about 446 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,879 Speaker 1: him all night. Great kid. Loved him in the clubhouse. 447 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: Got to know him this year. Wonderful guy. He's got 448 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 1: the churb right, the change up that breaks like a curve. 449 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 3: And he wasn't scared man. He came in the bullpen. 450 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: He was pumping strikes. 451 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: I always thought of him when he was a starter 452 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: for the Padres, kind of a thumbery guy and with 453 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: the elbows and knee caps and all this going on, 454 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 1: and he was more deception, but his stuff played out 455 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 1: of the bullpen man ninety five miles an hour, and 456 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: we talked to a lot of those guys toward the 457 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: end of the year. 458 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 3: Susan hit it right on the head. They were all 459 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 3: just gassed. 460 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: And my idea about bullpens, and I'm talking to a 461 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: lot of relievers this winter about how do you assemble 462 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: a good bullpen. You piece it together and try to pile. 463 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 3: Wins in April and May. 464 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: If you're going pedal the metal and you're using your 465 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: bullpen all night in April and. 466 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: May and June, check out eras of bullpens at. 467 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: The All Star break, and then after the All Star break, 468 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: the managers that go full throttle early in the season 469 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: to try to stockpile wins with their a guys and 470 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: use them. A lot those guys fall off in the 471 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: second half. So if you piece it together, ham and 472 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: egg it in the first half of the season, and 473 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: then you find yourself right there at the All Star break. 474 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: Now you can rev up your bullpen and have a 475 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: healthy bullpen at the end, or just have the trade 476 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: deadline go out and just get some pieces for your bullpen. 477 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: But Joey Lucasey, I think just found his way with 478 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,959 Speaker 1: the San Francisco Giants. I know he got non tendered, 479 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: but as you know, and I know, that doesn't mean 480 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 1: you can't sign back with the Giants. I love the 481 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: guy personally, I love what he did for the Giants, 482 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: and I hope they find some way to get him back. 483 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: Well, you know this is we have not talked a 484 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 2: lot about the bullpen. I feel like and since we've 485 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: been doing this show, and I feel like that's you know, 486 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: this was not a mystery last year. They were so 487 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 2: good early on that the bullpen. Really when the Giants 488 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 2: were at their best, it was because the bullpen was 489 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 2: so good. But then you you know, they go into 490 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 2: a funk, the whole team, and you trade a Tyler Rogers, 491 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: very good deal, by the way, excellent return. You trade 492 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: a Camilo Deval also pretty good return. Of course, the 493 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: rest of the bullpen the work cloudes, and then you loser, 494 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: Andy Rodriguez, Are you kidding me? 495 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 3: So? 496 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: I don't know. That leads to my next question. Do 497 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: they need to either trade for or sign a closer 498 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 2: or do they have the personnel right now? Do you 499 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: think two? I mean, you know I covered the age 500 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: for a long time. I'm sorry, I feel like I 501 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: always apologies, were always mentioning that, but Billy Bean was 502 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 2: kind of of the mind for a long time like 503 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: anybody could be a closer. You throw a decent reliever 504 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: in there, they can do that. I'm not sure that's 505 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: necessarily the case, and I think that some of the 506 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: A's closers during that time probably showed that too. But also, 507 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 2: you know, if you've got a guy with you know, 508 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: kind of that Nail's mentality and decent stuff, you know, 509 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 2: maybe you don't have to go out and find somebody 510 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: or trade for somebody. 511 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: I think we all find out firsthand that anybody can't 512 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: be a closer this year, and I think Giants fans 513 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about it. It takes a different 514 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: mentality to get the last three outs of a ballgame. 515 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: You have to have a short memory if something goes 516 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 1: wrong the night before, you have to have the screw 517 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: it mentality in today's a new day. And then you 518 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: have to just you have to love that role. You 519 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: have to cherish it. You have to be a bad ass, 520 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, mentally more than the stuff. 521 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 1: Mentally I got this. We're shaking hands in three outs 522 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: and it's not about we're shaking hands in three outs, 523 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: because if you worry about that, it's pitch by pitch man. 524 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: I gotta I got to execute this pitch. I got 525 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: to execute this pitch. If you get into the mentality of, 526 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, if I get three outs, we're shaking hands, 527 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: or if I get three outs we win the World Series, 528 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna get away from what you need to do successful. 529 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: And that takes a special mentality. That's why Brian Wilson Man, 530 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: that guy just I just of all the closers I 531 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: can think of. Rob Nann I played with was a 532 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: bad ass, but Brian Wilson Man, he had a screw 533 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: loose in a great way where he would load the 534 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: bases and get us all nervous and then find a 535 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: way to punch three guys out because he didn't care. 536 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: And if he blew a safe, he's back out there 537 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: with the swagger and the cockiness. To me, it's more, yeah, 538 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: stuff plays, and if your closer throws a hundred with 539 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: a wipe out slider, great, But if your closer throws 540 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: a hundred with a wipeout slider and he's not mentally tough, 541 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: then you're in trouble. But if you get the combination 542 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: of those two and he's just a little bit cuckoo 543 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: out there, Like I want my closer to be a psychopath. 544 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: I really do. 545 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: And maybe that's old school, but to me, it's more 546 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: about the make up the mentality. 547 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta have stuff, but yeah I. 548 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: Would I would love for him to get to Edwin 549 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: Diaz or somebody at the back end that's just a 550 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: little bit kooky and a little bit nuts. 551 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: And keeps us all. 552 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: Maybe wouldn't be just cool to have a closer that 553 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: it was just boring and we just yelled like Tyler. 554 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: Tyler Rodgers came in. It was just like, oh, three 555 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: outs and the ninth edding and he's out there. Yeah, 556 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: but I don't look at Tyler Rodgers as a closer, 557 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: no offense, Tyler, Like I like power guys that miss 558 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: bat's late, because if you don't miss bats, weird stuff 559 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: can happen. So I do want the guy was with 560 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: the stuff I'm saying, But I also want the guy 561 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: that's a badass too. 562 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: I will say this about Camillo Davall. This time last year, 563 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 2: when a lot of people were saying the Giants should 564 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 2: trade Camillo daval or, there's going to be interested, and 565 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 2: there certainly was interested. Camilo Dovall and Buster Posey and 566 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: Zach Manazi and were saying, like, hang on, he's not 567 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: a guy that we're thinking about trading. Came the trade 568 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 2: deadline and he was gone. Like everybody to me is tradable, 569 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: and Camillo Duvall was kind of a good example of that. However, 570 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 2: in retrospect, once Randy Rodriguez goes down and go like, ah, shoot, 571 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 2: like man. 572 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Camillo ships sailed with the Giants, though. 573 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: Man, they gave him so many chances, and he was 574 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: the pitchclock thing and the balking thing and the tranquilo 575 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: Thing's cool when you're saving games, but it's not cool 576 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: when you're walking guys and giving up runs. So I 577 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: think there was a lot of frustration in the organization 578 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: with not the person in the clubhouse because he's the 579 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: nicest guy in the world, but maybe what was going 580 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: on on the mound and just you know, he tightened 581 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: up the running game thing with the slide step, but 582 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: there was just so lack of attention to detail when 583 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: he came out there that I think it got everybody, 584 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: including everyone watching this podcast right now, a little on edge, 585 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: and I thought that was a good trade, just because 586 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: sometimes in an organization, your time is up and it's 587 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 1: good to get a change of scenery. 588 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, this trick's rowing obviously became a real problem at times, 589 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: and you know, he'd fall in love with a slider 590 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: or the fastball and we'd just get a little predictable 591 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: one way or another. But man, I love a guy that. 592 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: Just one three with a nasty slider, especially the Rockies 593 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: last year. 594 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: We're doing the game and this just came out. 595 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,959 Speaker 1: You guys that have listened to know that every once 596 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: in a while it just comes out that the tying 597 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: run was on second for the Rockies with one out 598 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: and he just walked into third base with a stolen base. 599 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: So now like a sackfly, a groundball through the drawn 600 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: and infield, whatever scores him. 601 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 3: And on the air, I go, he didn't even pay 602 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: attention to him. 603 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: It was like there wasn't even a runner on second, 604 00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, like well, maybe I 605 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 1: shouldn't have that emphatically on the air, but like that 606 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: was my natural emotion coming out, and I think that 607 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: happened one too many. 608 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: Times for everybody involved. 609 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 1: So yeah, he's he's a Yankee now and but now 610 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: you got to find a closer. 611 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I will be at the Winter Meetings next week, 612 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 2: as you know, I'll be. We'll be doing two shows 613 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: next week when when I'm in a beautiful Orlando, So 614 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll have to tons to talk about. Do 615 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 2: you have any Winter Meeting stories? You played long enough 616 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 2: that you must have some some good stuff coming out 617 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: of Winter Meetings. 618 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: Well, mine's not as a player, because nobody ever talked 619 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: about me in Winter meetings, Like, my name never came up. 620 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 3: Anywhere in a Winter meeting anywhere you were in. 621 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: The top ten possible trade guys or no, who's gonna 622 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 2: sign f B. 623 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: No if they didn't, my name never came up. But 624 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: as a broadcaster, I was telling you this the other 625 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: night at dinner. A strange thing happened to me when 626 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: I was in DC the Marlins and Jeffrey Laurie accorded 627 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: me as a broadcaster for the Marlins, and out of 628 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: nowhere just cold called me and said, we like the 629 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: way you do it. We want you to be our broadcaster. 630 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: What's your contractual status? And then I ran it through 631 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: the station that I was at, and then all the 632 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: Fox execs flew into Florida, and I flew in and 633 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: had this cloak and dagger meeting with all these high 634 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: ups for Fox and the owner of the Marlins, Jeffrey Lauria, 635 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: and apparently I did well in the interview process and 636 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: they offered me a four year deal. 637 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 3: In DC. When I was a broadcaster there, it was 638 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: like one year in an option. 639 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: There was never any security, So when you got done 640 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: with your dealer, are they going to pick up my option? 641 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 3: And we were. 642 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: Always on pins and needles because we never had any 643 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: job security there. 644 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: And so they came with this massive four year deal 645 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: after this and I had no idea that you could 646 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 3: make this kind of money and broadcast. 647 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: So I actually my agent called me and I got 648 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: a little teary eyed, and I was really thinking about going. 649 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: So the winter meetings that year is this where the 650 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: story kind of ties in was in d C at 651 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: the National Harbor Hotel, which was two miles from my 652 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: house and Jeffrey Laurier and is David sam David Sampson 653 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: calls me to a hotel suite and it's like I'm 654 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: in an episode of like a gangster movie to mafia. 655 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: So I go up to their hotel suite and like, 656 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: we need an answer, like we need an answer right 657 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: now on your deal. And I said, wow, this is 658 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: a big move for me. I've been in DC for 659 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: like six years now. I've had a friend group here 660 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: and this is my home and to kind of like 661 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: uproot it for this. And They're like, no, we needn't 662 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: answer right now. And I was getting pressured like they 663 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: were just gonna whack me if I said no. 664 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 3: So I said, you guys, give me two hours. 665 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: I've never told the story publicly, by the way, I said, 666 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: you got not that anybody gives a crap. 667 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 3: You guys, give me two hours and I will decide. 668 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: So I went back, talk to my family, talk to 669 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: all the most important people in my life. It was 670 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: life changing money like double what I was making there, 671 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: but with stability. And we decided that in the long haul, 672 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,239 Speaker 1: based on the stability of both organizations are where I 673 00:29:55,360 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: was that that what I couldn't make up my mind. 674 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: The Nationals made up my mind for me. They said 675 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 1: I couldn't go. So that was that, and it all 676 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: worked out, ended up being part of a world series 677 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: there but yeah, well that's some drama. The station said 678 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: I could go, the team said I couldn't go. They 679 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: had just lost Bryce Harper and there was a publicity 680 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: hit for losing Bryce Harper, and believe it or not, 681 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: they wanted to keep me, which I don't know. I'm 682 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: happy where I'm at right now, though, couldn't be more happy. 683 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: Believe baby, believe. 684 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: Little drama there. I didn't realize there was broadcaster drama there, 685 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 2: except for like the Frick Award, which you know, that's that. 686 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 3: That will be. 687 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 2: Announced next week and so will the results of the 688 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 2: ERAS Committee. The Contemporary Eras Committee is meeting. Interesting to 689 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: see that Juan Marishaal is on that list. So Barry 690 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: Bonds is back up again, so I'm sure we'll be 691 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: talking about that. 692 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: Kuk and kaite crew and Kaikreuk and kite kreuk and 693 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: kite kruk and kite. 694 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: Take another kuy please do let's say right, do it? 695 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: So we were just at a soccer game last night, 696 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: and Premier League soccer game. 697 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 3: And like I said earlier, soccer and I aren't friends, 698 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 3: but Susan's a big Liverpool fan, Liverpool FC. 699 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: And so we take a train to Liverpool and we 700 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 1: get to see one of the coolest sporty events I've 701 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: ever been to, and I've been to everything, you guys, 702 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm not going to bore you with. 703 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 3: All the things, but the passion in just the. 704 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: Atmosphere there, and everybody in this country talks about soccer 705 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: and third team no matter where you go. You mentioned Liverpool, 706 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: and so I tweeted this out. You guys check it 707 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: out on my Twitter at Fight and Hydrant. It's everybody 708 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: singing a song. I nun less Susan take it over 709 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 1: here because this is their team. But I've never seen 710 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: an atmosphere like this, so intimate, so passionate. 711 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: The fans are singing songs the whole game. 712 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: They're on their feet. We didn't sit in our seats. 713 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: You don't need seats there, but we didn't sit in 714 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: our seats. And then we're in a section like called 715 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: the cop which I found out what that meant today, 716 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: like right behind the goal. 717 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: Susan's friends got us amazing tickets. 718 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: But I was just thinking while I was watching the game, 719 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, I got a little emotional. 720 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 3: I'm a sensitive Italian man. 721 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: There's a couple times I was like, kind of doing 722 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: this last night, especially when they scored to tie the 723 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: game at one. 724 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 3: It was just one of the coolest things I've ever 725 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 3: been a part of. 726 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, I know, it's hundreds of years of 727 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: tradition that would be so cool if we had songs 728 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: in baseball at the stadiums where everybody was singing and 729 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: participating and into it like that. 730 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, the non stop singing, I love it. And we 731 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: went to a pub called the sand In beforehand, which 732 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: is kind of a pub of lore in Liverpool that 733 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 2: the team was actually sort of founded. There at the club, 734 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: the paperwork done and a guy was singing and playing 735 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: all of the sort of songs that they sing along 736 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 2: with during the game, so kind of got a preview. 737 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 2: I've been to a number of Liverpool games my buddy, 738 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: yet another of my British baseball fan buddies, Dom Clark, 739 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: who's fantastic. You're the second big league player he is 740 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 2: taking to a game because he took our friend Brandon 741 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 2: McCarthy to a Liverpool game and Brandon's a huge Liverpool fan, 742 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 2: so he loved it too. But yeah, I love the singing, 743 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: but you know what they do that. There's a lot 744 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: of singing and music when you go to winter ball 745 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 2: games anywhere in the the Dominican and in Mexico, and 746 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 2: when you go to Japan there's the singing and uh 747 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 2: flag waving and in all of those countries it's just 748 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: more a lot more lively. I remember when, of course 749 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: Oakland had the drummers. I remember during the playoffs against 750 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: the Yankees, George steinbren Are calling Billy Bean of all 751 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 2: people and saying, you got to shut that down. And 752 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 2: Billy's like, yeah, what I don't that's not something I'm 753 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: in charge of. You could complain somewhere else. Yeah, so, uh, 754 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 2: that's just not really a thing that they do. Why 755 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: not get let's let's get a little bit more color. 756 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 2: I know it's every day and maybe that's it. It's 757 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,479 Speaker 2: harder to get sort of groups of people that are 758 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,479 Speaker 2: sort of similar enough every day to do it. But 759 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 760 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: And winter ball in Mexico or I played for the 761 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: Navajo Miles for two years in the Winter Winter League 762 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: in Mexico, and instead of beats, balls bounced around this stands, 763 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: they had dead roosters. They're flipping dead roosters around and 764 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: you catch the ster, you flip it and there's like 765 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: three of them going around the like, wait, is that 766 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: a dead rooster in the stands? And like what happened 767 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: to like a beach volleyball and sometimes the dead roosters 768 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: made it on the field. 769 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 2: Hey, Peter would not like that that. I prefer the 770 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 2: dog bark in the park type type days. 771 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 3: I do have that. 772 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 2: That's good, you know what. The rules are a lot 773 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 2: looser in winter ball and some of these. When I 774 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 2: was in the Dominican writing stories and taking Spanish immersion, 775 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 2: that didn't really work well enough. I was in the 776 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 2: press box at least a and they kept offering me 777 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 2: rum in the press box and they were all rooting, 778 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 2: all the reporters. They were at the lease and camera. 779 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 2: I think it was probably Aggie Lasts and they were 780 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: they were like arguing in the pot and drinking rum. 781 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 2: And I thought, my Spanish is not good enough for 782 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 2: me to drink rum, and uh, certainly not. I did 783 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: not have a rooting interest in this. 784 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 785 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 1: One thing you couldn't have is cats in the park. 786 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: That would not work because they just be everywhere. And 787 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: then some guy would come to the gate with his 788 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: seventeen cats, and you'd be like, are you a serial killer? Bro? 789 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 3: Why do you have seventeen cats? So, yeah, I don't. 790 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,760 Speaker 3: I don't think cats in the park whatever work very well. 791 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 3: But Dog to the. 792 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: Park is a cat right there, and it's a great cat. 793 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 1: But you couldn't bring like all your cats to the 794 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: park because you have to wrangle cats. You have to 795 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: wrangle them. They would be on the field, they'd be 796 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: chasing mice. Not that I don't like cats, it would 797 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: just be tough to have cats in the park. On 798 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: that note, we should probably wrap this thing up. We're 799 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: at the thirty six minute mark. We're supposed to keep 800 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: it right around thirty because I'm add your add We're 801 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,479 Speaker 1: all add But. 802 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening today. 803 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: I'm going back to San Francisco tomorrow, which is probably 804 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: when you guys are going to see this. Susan's going 805 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: back on Saturday, so we'll be back in the stage 806 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: to Orlando. Yeah, she's going to the winter meetings. Yeah, 807 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: I heard that during the podcast somewhere. I'm going to 808 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: no meetings at my house and I just ready to 809 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,280 Speaker 1: get home. We've had a great time here in London together. 810 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for being the greatest host 811 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: in history ever and taking me to the Liverpool game 812 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: and taking me to the West Ham game the other day. 813 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: It's been a soccer trip. There's been a few pints 814 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: in vall. I've seen all the sites. Christmas in London, 815 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: you guys, there is nothing like it. So we will 816 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: see you guys soon back in the States. 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