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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco, Elliot Flowing, and now your hosts

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips, and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 1: It is a wonderful Tuesday edition of Talking Cowboys at

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Speaker 1: CT Talking Cowboys Tuesday from the Star in Frisco in

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Speaker 1: the s WBC Studios. Welcome in, everybody, another offseason edition

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Speaker 1: of your favorite show on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Rob Phillips,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah stand Back, heck My Harrison. We've got Chris Beam

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Speaker 1: in the back. No, no bushwhack today. I'm Kyle Yeoman's.

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Speaker 1: Actually at the end of the show. Is that the end?

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Speaker 1: At the beginning, I thought, okay, I'm just I'm just saying, man,

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Speaker 1: Rob your muted? Yeah, yeah, you need to make sure

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Speaker 1: yours who mute you about that? That's probably Mickey, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was probably stone cold. I bet you that's what

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Speaker 1: Col came in here and stunned Rob with this mike button. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how was That's a dream of mine and gets stunned

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Speaker 1: by Steve. Really, you were sure that you probably one

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Speaker 1: of like seven in the stadium this weekend that did

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Speaker 1: good so much, pretty much stunned almost everybody. I think

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Speaker 1: heck might even got a stunt at one. No, no, now,

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Speaker 1: my insurance was not the bar go in there with that.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about? What do you think about

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame induction of of Taker. We call

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Speaker 1: him Undertaker, you call him take take my guy take.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't well, I didn't hear from name. Basis, I

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Speaker 1: didn't hear from him. It was a busy, it was

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Speaker 1: more of a nickname. It's not even I mean Mark

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Speaker 1: well Mark Mark call. But he prefers take, you know,

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Speaker 1: so I didn't hear from him. But hey man, that

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Speaker 1: was that was great. Bring him out. I thought they're

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Speaker 1: gonna make him go all the way down to the ring.

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Speaker 1: That is a long for those of you that are wondering,

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Speaker 1: we are not a wrestle podcast. But WrestleMania was at

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Speaker 1: at and T Stadium, and I think every one of

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Speaker 1: I mean if you missed it, I'm assuming it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be back at and T Stadium at some point. You yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta come. It was a lot of fun. I'm

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Speaker 1: not a wrestling guy. I know the stars, I know

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Speaker 1: the guys. I'm not big into it. I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: that now I might be. Now I loved it. That

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Speaker 1: might It was a lot of fun. Man, Let's see

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Speaker 1: baseball season coming up. I got I got a couple

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Speaker 1: of things. I'm pretty sure you can. You can get

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Speaker 1: Even we Man was in there. Somebody want McAfee whenever

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Speaker 1: I wore your jersey that one time when I lost

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Speaker 1: the bet and I wore the jersey, somebody called me

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Speaker 1: a retired I was built like a retired punter. McAfee

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Speaker 1: would absolutely do love to see, should we just who

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Speaker 1: would you want him to face? You see Kyle coming

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Speaker 1: out of the ring behind with the cheerleaders behind him,

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Speaker 1: like the absolutely absolutely I could. Can you do a

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Speaker 1: flip off? Get pal drive by? I can hurt myself?

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Speaker 1: Who would you face who do you think you have

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Speaker 1: a shot at beating? Oh dude, I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know any other than I think you can beat Mysterial. No, dude,

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Speaker 1: he was flying around you kidding me? He's like one

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Speaker 1: hundred seventy two years ago. He went likely he did

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Speaker 1: like he can still he can still move. I know, dude.

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Speaker 1: It was nuts. When you have a teenage son, you

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Speaker 1: get an opportunity to relive your childhood. So, dude, this

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Speaker 1: old junk yard dog days and it's just oh man, god,

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Speaker 1: this is that's when it was real, baby, It's still real. Nonet.

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Speaker 1: A lot of injuries. You see old boy get hurt.

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Speaker 1: Oh I hated that. Yeah. Towards patella, he blew his

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Speaker 1: he said, no, sir, no, sir. I could see Kyle

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Speaker 1: It's officially draft month. Isaiah has taken a look at

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Star Magazine Draft Guide, the official draft

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Speaker 1: guide of the twenty twenty two draft coming fast. He reads,

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Speaker 1: he just written it just right through the whole thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just a lot of alignment on his cover, rigging, largely

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Speaker 1: by Kyle Yon. Little U not have had something to

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Speaker 1: but it just didn't work, you know, just couldn't it

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Speaker 1: Didn't work. Rob. Before we get into draft stuff, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk plenty about the drafts, some strategies involved, and

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Speaker 1: like we got the is the magazine on sale yet?

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Speaker 1: before the draft. But again, I mean they're there. They

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Speaker 1: will drop hence by what they don't do. Like last

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Speaker 1: year in free agency, you know that. I think they

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Speaker 1: resigned Jordan Lewis at the cornerback position, but they didn't

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Speaker 1: really do much else. Well, they wanted a corner in

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Speaker 1: the first ten picks and it didn't work. But then

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Speaker 1: they got Kelvin Joseph right after that. So maybe they're

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Speaker 1: waiting for that in the first two three rounds, maybe

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Speaker 1: the first round, or maybe they're waiting too, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: to be able to meet these guys and see, hey

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Speaker 1: we like the wide receivers, or hey, we like these

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Speaker 1: guards Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green that we're bringing in.

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Speaker 1: Heckman brings up a phenomenal point. And the fact is

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Speaker 1: is there maybe a little bit of a lingering back

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Speaker 1: of the mind voice to Stephen Jones saying, I just

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Speaker 1: don't want to make the same mistake again. That's a

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Speaker 1: huge thing, because again, though what mistakes I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: like not maybe again, but no, I'm more no, no,

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Speaker 1: keep going the other point, keep throwing names in that

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Speaker 1: because you're not finished yet. And that did not fan out.

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Speaker 1: Big name free agents are big contracts to veterans. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily work out. Look at the way you're in

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Speaker 1: your salary cap trouble right now. Look at your running back.

447
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Speaker 1: Your running back has been banged up. See okay, that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's one of your keeping your own guys, because

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Speaker 1: you ain't got the big old line, but you want

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Speaker 1: to you you want the old lineback. You want the

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Speaker 1: old lineback. But the philosophy on offense is a little

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Speaker 1: bit different one. You can't do anything successful in this

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Speaker 1: league without having assauli offensive line. Cincinnati is the freaking

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Speaker 1: why why do you say that? Why? I mean, but

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Speaker 1: your quarterback took ten sacks a game and he just

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Speaker 1: happens to be a dog and have a receiver that

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Speaker 1: was a dog, he can make. The reason Cincinnati made

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Speaker 1: it is because Tennessee forgot to run the ball. Facts. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so there's but even if I they even got that far,

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Speaker 1: well in Cincinnati could run the ball too, even without

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Speaker 1: that offensive line. Kansas City, for Kansas City has done

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Speaker 1: it for years on the end, without that great wall

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Speaker 1: of Dallas that you talk personally, will be more than satisfied.

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Speaker 1: If Dallas had up to this point, now they still

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Speaker 1: may happen, right, well, we don't know the what ifs,

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Speaker 1: but up to this point, had Dallas just went all

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Speaker 1: in at old line, just drinking, just chip buttime to

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Speaker 1: this point said at that point we're in the second way.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be the draft if they're gonna make a

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Speaker 1: splash at this point. Um, But to your point, like

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Speaker 1: when if they spent tons and tons like as long

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Speaker 1: as I've been here. The last big signing they had

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Speaker 1: was Brandon Carr in twenty twelve is fifty million, ten

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Speaker 1: years ago, ten years ago. And then I got to

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Speaker 1: go back to like two thousand and five and I

476
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Speaker 1: was interning here and they signed Jason Ferguson, Jason Ferguson,

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Speaker 1: Marco Rivera, and Anthony Henry on the same day, and

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Speaker 1: they had press conferences for all three guys, Like that's

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Speaker 1: the last time they really dug deep and spent on

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Speaker 1: outside free agents, and they don't really do their count. No,

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Speaker 1: it didn't, didn't know it didn't. But like this is

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Speaker 1: why I think I'm not saying it's it's not a

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Speaker 1: sound strategy, because I think draft develop especially when you

484
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Speaker 1: are when you sign a quarterback to this much money,

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Speaker 1: you have to be mindful of the rest of your cap.

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Speaker 1: Like Dax's cap figures going to jump to almost like

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Speaker 1: fifty million next year apparently according to spoke Track and

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Speaker 1: all that, So you got to be mindful of that,

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Speaker 1: even with an expected cap spike maybe by ten fifteen

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Speaker 1: million again next year. But I do think to your point,

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Speaker 1: I think there can be a balance in Hey, let's

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Speaker 1: go be a little more aggressive because the guys that

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Speaker 1: guys to big deals and they're not here anymore. Amari Cooper,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Smith, Lyle Collins. It took Tank reworking his deal

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Speaker 1: to come back, Like, it doesn't always work with your

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Speaker 1: own guys that you draft and develop and resign. So

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Speaker 1: can you be a little bit more balanced, Like, I

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Speaker 1: think there is something to that. I think that's the

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Speaker 1: right answer is it's not one way or the owner.

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Speaker 1: There's no right answer. Everybody can look at the rams

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Speaker 1: and say they went one percent one direction and that's

503
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Speaker 1: just forget the draft only focus on free agency. That

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Speaker 1: worked one time doesn't mean it's a success for the

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Speaker 1: future sort of deal. However, you have to have a mixture.

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Speaker 1: You can't just rely on the draft and just completely

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Speaker 1: forget about free agency either. And right now up until

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Speaker 1: this point, like you said, things can change, and it

509
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Speaker 1: sure could change by the next time we're on air

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Speaker 1: next week. We could have some guys that we're talking about. However,

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Speaker 1: new stuff this week, you know exactly, Yeah, but you

512
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Speaker 1: haven't had that mixture at the moment. Yahips, All right,

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Speaker 1: let's take a break. When we come back, let's talk

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Speaker 1: everywhere he goes. I'm working on this a lot of it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I wrote one hundred and ten bios for that magazine.

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Speaker 1: Thanks man. Wait for third year, third year in draft coverage,

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Speaker 1: second year writing the bios. This was the Brian Broadest

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Speaker 1: roll back in the day Kyle's getting I am not

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Speaker 1: Brian Broddest, I'll tell you that much, but I try

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Speaker 1: my best man. Thanks doing what I can this. I

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Speaker 1: hope it I hope it helps. It's it's a lot

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Speaker 1: of information, for sure, and there's a lot of people

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Speaker 1: that contributed as well. You contributed, Rob, not much, not

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Speaker 1: much to cheer, Milo graphic designer, the whole graphics team. Real,

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Speaker 1: they put it all together. It's a great magazine, great look,

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Speaker 1: great information. Isaiah sold it with the van a white wheel.

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Speaker 1: My cousin went on that show and walked away with nothing,

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Speaker 1: really nothing, man, how do you get up there and

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Speaker 1: walk away with you? No? You hit the bankrupt, right?

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Speaker 1: I would have spent it. Always always picture myself getting

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Speaker 1: up there and spinning the heck out of that. Is

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Speaker 1: it will of fortune? Of the prices? Right, I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: prices right, are Yeah? No, yeah, you think of price,

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Speaker 1: Bob Barker. I feel like that will of fortune. My

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Speaker 1: fault that shows easier to walk away from with nothing

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Speaker 1: than wheel of fortune is will of fortune there at

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Speaker 1: least like hey, here's a grand like here's a thousand

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Speaker 1: dollars to cover your travel. But I used to want

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Speaker 1: to spend the crap out of that dog on wheel. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wanted, I wanted, I want to do a vertical

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Speaker 1: jump up there and just pull it all the way down,

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Speaker 1: eat like a whole steak. The day before you were

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Speaker 1: such a show off, dude, can you break the wheel?

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Speaker 1: The wheel? The wheel is the audience. You're up there

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Speaker 1: asking what is the record for the amount of time? Yeah, exactly, Lord, Um,

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Speaker 1: anybody running the draft day five k By the way,

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Speaker 1: I'll be out there. No, I don't run that far.

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Speaker 1: Me and my fiance will be running it. All right,

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Speaker 1: that's good, awesome support you. I will clap oh quickly.

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Speaker 1: How was in New York? Oh? It was great. It

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Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. First time up like your

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Speaker 1: photo shoot. Thanks man. Yeah, it was twenty three degrees

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Speaker 1: with a windshill of thirteen. I'm sorry, Yeah it was

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Speaker 1: third real field was thirteen degrees and I was in

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Speaker 1: a suit that was basically what last week? What I'm

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Speaker 1: in right now? Yeah, last week. H just a random

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Speaker 1: it was eighty five that day. It was the worst.

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Speaker 1: It was so cold, interesting, unbelievably cold. Though. Love will

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Speaker 1: make you do crazy thing. Yeah, I mean he we

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Speaker 1: So I was doing it a photos shoot though, how

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Speaker 1: don't you do that in those busy streets, which, by

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Speaker 1: the way, walking across the sidewalk puts me to shame again,

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Speaker 1: just like the engagement story put me to shame. Man

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Speaker 1: hat All for your engagement photos. He has film studied though,

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Speaker 1: from the best. That's what it was. You guys are

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Speaker 1: the best to My wedding photos were in black and white,

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Speaker 1: so you are. That's how long I didn't have waiting? Really,

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Speaker 1: I have to make that up this year. So if

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Speaker 1: are you getting? Wait? We never we never had a

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Speaker 1: what Wait a minute, So this is the year on

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Speaker 1: Lorena works at a wedding venue. I trained her boss.

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Speaker 1: That's true. What are you talking about? That place is

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Speaker 1: booked out for like the next seventeen years. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: why we're waiting. Um, all right, enough of that talk,

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Speaker 1: But let a Verse. Congratulations. Um, what if the roadmap

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys could use in the draft. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're looking at early picks, we just talked about offensive

636
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Speaker 1: line wide receiver as potentials there they'll use a book.

637
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: You can use a book, Yeah, for sure, use it.

638
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: Wide receiver. Offensive line? Is that the go to front

639
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: runner in the first round of this draft? And if

640
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: it's not, what else could it be? A line? Hopefully?

641
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: I just think those are the two spots that you

642
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: and you made differ in terms of how deep those

643
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: positions are. Yeah, but just in terms of looking at

644
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: the roster, those two spots jump out to me first

645
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: like guard maybe center competition, offensive tackle depth slash competition,

646
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 1: and then obviously the wide receiver depth jump out at

647
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: me first. Now, whether you want to go there with

648
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: one two in the in the draft rounds, that's another story.

649
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: What do you think need versus best player available? Has

650
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: always been the mystery leading up to the draft. And

651
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: when Ceedee Lamb failed and you needed a safety, you

652
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: needed an edge Russia, what did you do you got

653
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: a wide receiver? Jerry has already said it. You know,

654
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: unless we have some of those special players that are there,

655
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: and you know, how wacky the draft is. Some team

656
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: will bite off of a player that they think it's

657
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: potentially better, and a guy will fall. That's just how

658
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: we just got so lucky with Micah. I mean, that

659
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: draft could be done all over again. They would rethink

660
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: the whole thing from the heavens. You know you got

661
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: Come on, you just call it how it is, Pete.

662
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: You're on my side now, see you get it. You

663
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: get it, Pete. Anyway, sure, I'm just saying, though, you know,

664
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Speaker 1: if we've ever really disagreed on that honestly, like I mean,

665
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: I think you cannot reach, but just pecially the first round,

666
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: you get yourself in trouble doing. Just think if Micah

667
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to go to Indie and run and

668
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: go on those visits anyway, hypothetically, You're right. I'm just saying,

669
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: best player available. What we need right now is an

670
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. We have got to get that competitive going

671
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: back to Oxnard. And that's what made them good coming

672
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: out of Oxnard. It's just how competitive it was. I'm

673
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: not sold on Connor McGovern and I don't think any

674
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: of you guys. I don't think the coaching staff is either. Okay,

675
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: So that means that we definitely need to be looking

676
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Speaker 1: at the left guard position. I don't want a left

677
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: guard hybrid. I don't want a guy that was good

678
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: at this this This isn't it. Were you a left

679
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: guard in college and did you play the hell out

680
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: of it? That's what I want. I at that guy,

681
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: you know. And on the other Zion Johnson, Kenyan Green,

682
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: what'd you just name there? They played other positions, but

683
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: they were guards, like that was their d Yeah, Like

684
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: Kenny Green's not a tackle the pill, but they played it.

685
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: But and this is I'm sure this has been a

686
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: discussion on the Draft show. But then it brings up

687
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: the point of, Okay, what if Tyler Lenderbaum is sitting

688
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: there at twenty four, best center in the class, arguably

689
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: the best interior offensive lineman in the draft didn't really

690
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: he didn't play guard, but he could upgrade your center

691
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: spot potentially. I mean, that's that's a pickle, you know,

692
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Speaker 1: But I stay true to who I am and if

693
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: you believe in if you believe in your center, and don't,

694
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're sold on him as well,

695
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: but he comes acclaimed just as Linda Baum did out

696
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: of Iowa. And you still got to try and figure

697
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: out how to get better on defense. I think if

698
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: Linda Baum is there, you look to the defense and

699
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: say who's better on defense. That's just how I feel

700
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: about it. The one thing about Linderbaum that's different than

701
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: Tyler beatis just out of the fact that they both

702
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: won that trophy. They both won the Rimington Trophy. But

703
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: Linderbaum is a much more polished player coming out of

704
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: college than Beotish was. But now you've had two years

705
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: of Beotish and it's like, Okay, has he gotten more

706
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: polished the way that you kind of anticipated him too.

707
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: He's had the experience he started the majority of the

708
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: game since he came into the NFL. But Linderbaum is

709
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: still better, is the big thing. And he's of course younger,

710
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: and he's coming out of college. It's a first round

711
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: prospect versus a fourth round prospect. But really, you look

712
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: at the two compared, Linderbaum is better overall. However, I

713
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: agree with you and the fact that even if Linderbaum

714
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Speaker 1: is there, you still have to look at the rest

715
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Speaker 1: of your board and see how it lines up with

716
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: your knee. We need guys to play right now. Linder

717
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: Bamb's that guy. Okay, that's right about that. We need

718
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: right now, guys, we don't need a you are a

719
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: developmental guy. We're gonna see you like, can you get

720
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: off the bus with a helmet and ready to play?

721
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: That's that's period. I would say offensive lineman in that

722
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: category is Linder, Bam, ken Yon Green, and maybe Zion Johnson.

723
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson could do it, but he's a little bit

724
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: more of a project than the other two out of BC,

725
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: out of Boston College. Yes, so those are those are

726
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: the guys that are there. So Heckman's offensive line heavy,

727
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: which I'm right there with you. What are you thinking?

728
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: Two office, a lineman and a linebacker first three picks?

729
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I'm looking forward now. So you're

730
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: going guard, offensive tackle possibly, yes, okay, or maybe offensive

731
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Speaker 1: tackle Guarden. No wide receivers, leaving that up to you

732
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: can find for you can find wide receivers in free agency, okay,

733
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: I feel like you can. I feel like it's very

734
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: difficult to find office ave linemen in this league. It

735
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: is very freaking difficult. Is that is? That's tough. So

736
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: if you have a sure thing in terms of being

737
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: able to grab that in the draft. Grab it because

738
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: you can always find skill position always, and if your

739
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is as good as everybody's telling him to be,

740
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: then freaking you can find a skill guy that's sitting

741
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: on the street or sitting at the crib. No I hear,

742
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: and they usually wide receiver is not a position that

743
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: right off the bat. I mean, it can take some

744
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: time for guys to develop at that position, although they've

745
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: had success there and that's why I kind of think

746
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: they're going to go that route at some point. I

747
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: just think that's fact opposite about the wide receiver position. Really,

748
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: I think guys are ready to come in because of

749
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: the scheme. I think the college scheme and pro scheme aligned.

750
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: So that's why I think guys in college would be

751
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: ready to come in and contribute. I mean they've had

752
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: success though to your point, I mean CD came in

753
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: and played well. Gallup came in and it took him

754
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: a little time, but he got better and better his

755
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: rookie season and then took off in year two and

756
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: then Cedric Wilson in around six. Like, I think they

757
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: think they can hit on that position. I would say

758
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: offensive line, interior, offensive line and wide receiver, and this

759
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: appears to be a some what deep edge rusher class.

760
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: It is so um, I think they need to look

761
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: there too, because if you wait too long, you're not

762
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: gonna find a guy that's going to really be an

763
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: impact player. There. Yeah, is as deep as it usually is.

764
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: Even even if you wait later into first round, you

765
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 1: may not find a really impact guy. Just to add

766
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: to Isaiah's point, a couple of moments ago, free agent

767
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: wide receivers, these are just the top three names that

768
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: I could find Odell Beckham juniors out there, A J. Greene,

769
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: and Sammy Watkins. Those are the three big names that

770
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: are still there that will probably come in and be

771
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: starters on your team. The rest of the guys are

772
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: probably still dead. I mean, but I mean, but you know,

773
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: you just need a scheme guy. Landry is still out

774
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: there too, By the way, you just need a scheme guy.

775
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: I like Landry a lot. I think I mentioned that

776
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago play he could throw like Cedric Wilson. Yeah,

777
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: but Kellen Moore Andre has has made it very apparent

778
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: that I could take good players and fit them in

779
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: our system in initial work, right, So my whole thing

780
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: is where can you be dominant. We keep talking about

781
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,320
Speaker 1: this passing game, and we need to get dominant in

782
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: the running game. Okay, Dallas Cowboys can't win anything unless

783
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: they're dominant in the running I'm sorry, you can say

784
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: whatever the heck you want to. Dallas Cowboys historically and

785
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: now can't be dominant in this league unless they have

786
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 1: an efficient, effective, dominant running game. You got freaky Zeki

787
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: in the backfield, you got TP in the backfield. They

788
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: can't just make holes. They can make people miss. They

789
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: can run over a couple of guys, but guess what,

790
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: there's more guys coming, So you might want to get

791
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: off as a line that can move some people out

792
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: the freaking way. Once you get that, then your quarterback,

793
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: who we know is a play action quarterback, Dak Prescott.

794
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: He is most successful when he has play action. Then

795
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: he can be as effective as you want him to

796
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 1: be in terms of paying him with all his money.

797
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: Correct the mundo and I agree also with a blocking

798
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: tight end. I think when you can get a tight

799
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: end in later rounds, I'm not talking about those early rounds,

800
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: but later rounds. And you know, the guy that I'm

801
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: excited about from Iowa State, Charlie kolar let's go. I

802
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: just I just believe he's a willing blocker. And right now,

803
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: if there's any knock that you have on Schultze is

804
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: the fact that he is just not a blocker. All right.

805
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: The guy's great and what he does in coverage, but

806
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: anytime this team, going back to what you're talking about,

807
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: if you're gonna stay with the run, you recognize him

808
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: as a weakness out there on the line because he

809
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: just can't He hadn't been able to get it done

810
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: having I think sprinkle. Obviously, maybe he's a better blocker,

811
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: but if you can get a rookie to come in

812
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: and be that willing blocker, I think it changes the

813
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,280
Speaker 1: dynamic of your offense how you can block on the outside.

814
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: Quick addition, that Charlie Kohler there out of Iowa State,

815
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: This was a pro day time, but he's got a

816
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: lot of length, actually one of the longer, lengthier tight

817
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: ends in the entire draft, outside of maybe a Jelani

818
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: Woods out of Virginia who's just six foot seven, massive,

819
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: but he ran the quickest time or what would have

820
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: been the quickest time at the combine in his pro

821
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: day forty so he's got some quickness to him as

822
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: well as yards after the catch, the ability to break

823
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: tackles and as a blocker. So he's kind of a

824
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz ish type of player. I comped him in

825
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: the magazine to Hunter Long as a tight end. He's

826
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's a good player. I like them a lot.

827
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Speaker 1: What round probably fourth round, later round guy. I wrote down, Oh,

828
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: line wide receiver, interior, line wide receiver, edge tight end.

829
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Speaker 1: We haven't mentioned linebacker yet now. Stephen Jones was asked

830
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: about that last week and he said, they don't feel that.

831
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: I actually feel pretty good about their numbers, in part

832
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: because they kind of viewed round Curse as a linebacker

833
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 1: in their scheme, going back to that big nickel package

834
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: that they play so much. So I'm not agreeing with

835
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: that necessarily. I just I think I wrote it down

836
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 1: on my list. But but they're not. I guess they're

837
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: not looking at like they got to get a guy

838
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: in the first round necessarily. I wonder if the listeners

839
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: who are on the podcast side of things that listen

840
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: to this heard the eye roll from Isaiah because it

841
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: was massive. Just a second, you need an every day,

842
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: every down, solid linebacker. Man that just can't be too man.

843
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: You get hurt playing that position. Understand that. But that's

844
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: why you have to Yeah, that's why you got to

845
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: get a guy that that's what he does. Dude, you've

846
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: got Layton van Back the disrespect. Leyden's a good player

847
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: in terms of feeling in for what he does. But Layton,

848
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: whether it's a neck injury or whether it's what they

849
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: expected him to what they expect him to do, and

850
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: he's not that and they resigned him, so they have

851
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: some depth there. But is he You're a guy? Is he?

852
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: That's why I was so pissed off about Bobby. Bobby's

853
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah. You look at a guy like Nakobe

854
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: Deane from Georgia and the reason they keep mentioning him

855
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: is because of his IQ. He's a fast guy, he's

856
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: a plugger, he could do all of those things in

857
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: the SEC as a linebacker. I think he's a true

858
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: fit um whether they draft him that high or not,

859
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 1: because he's definitely should be gone first round, early second round.

860
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: He's just that talented. But for me, it's it's gonna

861
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: come down to who are the Dan Quinn types? And

862
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 1: you know he had Dan Quinn has a type. It's

863
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: sixty three, sixty five or better, you know, so he

864
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: cover and go sidelines. It's no reason why they play

865
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: what they play him. And that's one reason why he

866
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: tried to make count Neil a linebacker because he you know,

867
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: for the former safety, you can move around. So and

868
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: that's why Curse never comes off the field because he can.

869
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: He can do that and he could be a matchup guy.

870
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: So but from a depth perspective, their numbers don't look great,

871
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: not as good as it did going into last season.

872
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: So that's position to watch. We haven't talked about offensive tackle,

873
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: which who's the swing tackle at this point, Josh Ball

874
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: better be willing to have that position that might have

875
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: been spinning all last year trying to be the swing tackle.

876
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: Let's call it real, let's be let's do it how

877
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be done. Right now. Man, he's he's

878
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: got the opportunity to do it. You mentioned linebacker and

879
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. Those are the two sneaky needs that you're

880
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: covered right now. To a certain extent, you're covered, but

881
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: then you could go out and you can absolutely improve

882
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: in both of those positions. Devin Lloyd kway Walker are

883
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: both in the building. Devin Lloyd out of Utah. He's

884
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: a dan Quinn guy more so than then Kobe Dean,

885
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: because Dean out of Georgia's five eleven, two hundred and

886
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: thirty pounds. Devin Lloyd to six foot three almost two

887
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: forty bigger thirtier linebacker Quaywalker same way, six foot three,

888
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: two forty out of Georgia. They've got a couple guys

889
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: in the building that they like this week at that position.

890
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Then at offensive tackle, Charles Cross is reportedly in the

891
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: building with Mississippi State, one of the top offensive tackles

892
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: in the class that maybe is slipping a little bit.

893
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: A lot of people thought he was a top ten

894
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: guy and now he's kind of falling in. And then

895
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: Bernard Raymond or Rayman, excuse me, out of Central Michigan

896
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: is reportedly a thirty boot. Cause somebody to slip Kyle.

897
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: It depends on the preference of the teams. Really, It's

898
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: it's is their trait or is their con too big

899
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: enough or too big for let's say the next guy, right,

900
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: and so then you kind of compare him to the

901
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: next guy, and it's like I'll flip them. And then

902
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: you can compare him to the guy after that, and

903
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: you flip them again, and then that's where they kind

904
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: of fall down the list. A lot of it also

905
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: is media sc scouts trying to find out where the

906
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: real scouts are, and they may be completely off at

907
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: the beginning, but they start to close the gap at

908
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: Raymond's interesting. I wrote about him today. He's former tight end.

909
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: He's kind of a developmental prospect and to a certain

910
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: extent because he's been a startup this out. I mean,

911
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: it is interesting. He's from Austria, he started two years

912
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: at tight end, or played two years at tight end,

913
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: started two years at left tackle at Central Michigan. He's

914
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: got a lot of upside, But like you said, you

915
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: need guys to come in and play, and not only

916
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: from just a talent readiness standpoint. You play if you

917
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: take a tackle in the first round or two. I mean,

918
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: where's he's backing up, Probably Terrence Steele and certainly Tyrn

919
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: Smith yep. So you're not drafting a starter at that position,

920
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: but it's still a need. It's still a need unless

921
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: you think it's Josh Balls ready or maybe you resigned

922
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: Tian Sky something like that. A lot of people have

923
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: him mocked in the first round. I think at twenty

924
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: four that would be a pin throw for me. I

925
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: think I would be a little upset, and by a little,

926
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: I mean visibly upset if it was Raymond at pick

927
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: number twenty four. But in the second round, if you

928
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: wanted to go get a guy like that, and if

929
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: you're telling me he would have a competition with Terrence Steele,

930
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: I think I can maybe go for that. It's gonna

931
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: make for a good TV if they take him at

932
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: twenty four, you'll be live on the air, so we will.

933
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: Let's see what you do. Wow, due players rock and

934
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: we've had two good picks in the in the three Yeah, gosh,

935
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: we've got two good picks in the two years that

936
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Speaker 1: I've covered Ceedee Lamb of course ran to the Star

937
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,120
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938
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Speaker 1: then you've got Michael Parsons. Of course you like that one,

939
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:42,800
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942
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946
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947
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948
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993
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Speaker 1: what we need, so name and again the three positions

994
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Speaker 1: you want dogs at? Off as a guard? Okay, off

995
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: as a tackle? Linebacker? Did you just go? What was

996
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: that accent? I don't know. Was that the buyoulas right now?

997
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Speaker 1: I like it? Let go? So is there a chance

998
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Speaker 1: that they could cover themselves in that position group or

999
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Speaker 1: one of those three position groups before the draft, or

1000
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Speaker 1: like Rob was saying earlier, are they trying to do?

1001
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: And I know, Cowboys Nation, this is a buzzword, and

1002
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: it is a say. It trigger words their due diligence

1003
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: on potential draft prospects before they go and address them.

1004
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't know who's free at the officeive Garden officsive

1005
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: tackle position right now, right tackle specifically. I don't know

1006
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: who's available on the market. Will Hernandez got signed by

1007
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: Arizona last week. I think he would have been a

1008
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: classic like Bridge play bridge, club, cover yourself. Dwayne Brown

1009
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: is still available, but he's thirty six. Ye. Eric Fisher's

1010
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: thirty one from the Colts offensive tackle there right tackle.

1011
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: H he played left tackle, but he could play right

1012
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: tackle too. I think Riley Reef from uh stop trying

1013
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: to convert the win, converting nobody converting the guy. No,

1014
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: those are the offensive tackles. I was like, that's a

1015
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: left shoe, but I think you put on your right.

1016
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Speaker 1: It'll work for a bag around hole exactly making work. Yeah.

1017
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: I don't. I think they missed a boat free agent

1018
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: wise on that. On those particular positions. I think linebacker,

1019
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: there might be some guys floating around, but everybody needs

1020
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: offensive linement. Everybody. So when there's veterans that are available,

1021
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: you got to grab them. Cats I don't care what

1022
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: you want to spend it. I'm telling you the teams

1023
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: are hoarding their offensive linemen, not letting those guys out

1024
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: if you can, hey, oh you can line block, you

1025
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: can all block. You're here, you're here, but oh you're here,

1026
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hide you so far down the practice

1027
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: squad roster that nobody finds joy and play in the preseason.

1028
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: You hear me, I'm gonna lock you in the dungeon.

1029
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: That's how they do things. Of course they do. We

1030
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: talked about this every year at camp, like when they've

1031
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: been leaning at that position, and it's like, well, wait

1032
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: till the first round of cuts, and nobody's gonna cut

1033
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: defensive offensive lineman. You gotta wait until maybe final cuts,

1034
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: but you know, you know how bad you gotta be

1035
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: to get cut. Look at Terence Steele, I mean, look

1036
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: at Steel. He's a great example of it, because initially

1037
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: everybody's like, why are you even signing this guy as

1038
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: an undrafted free agent? They were like, this is a

1039
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 1: waste of a sign And then and then he makes

1040
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: the camp roster, and of course he makes the real roster,

1041
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: and then of course he comes in and is not

1042
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: very good as a rookie, and now he's presumed to

1043
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: be the starter at right tackles, everything goes exactly what

1044
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: it is. He's everything you want out of an undrafted

1045
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: free agent. You want a guy to come in and

1046
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: work his tail off, and that's exactly what he did.

1047
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: And he worked Leo Collins out of a job. That's

1048
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: exactly what he did. He wasn't nothing shady or underhanded.

1049
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: He worked his tail off. He put his head down.

1050
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: Credit to him, you know. And that's what you and

1051
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: that's what you want to see. You have him now

1052
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: as a starter. How do you create that competitiveness? Do you?

1053
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Speaker 1: You got to bring in guys? These dogs? Are you

1054
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: talking about the guys that are out there that can

1055
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: still be signed, that can make your offensive line better

1056
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: because you're gonna have to run the ball. Let's just

1057
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: call it how it is, you know. And for me,

1058
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: those dogs that you're talking about, let me just say this,

1059
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: anybody from Georgia please get him. Yeah, Obama, Yeah, any

1060
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: of those guys from Georgia's sign Jeremy Sawyers, the offensive

1061
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 1: lineman from Georgia that could probably No, No, that ain't

1062
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm on the defensive Jordan Davis, Jack Hamburger,

1063
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: He's probably not gonna be there. Probably. I think he's

1064
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: he's rising teams. He is way good. Yeah yeah, um.

1065
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: Some of those linebackers I went through the offensive line.

1066
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: It's pretty thin in free agency, but there are a

1067
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: couple names linebacker wise that are out there. Dante how

1068
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: High Tower from New England. A J. Johnson High Towers

1069
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: thirty two. You know what, Cole I just thought of

1070
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: something was that you're getting to the point as a

1071
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: writer and all this where you could plan a story

1072
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,919
Speaker 1: for us for a guy to actually start to fall.

1073
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: I could probably do that. Who do you want to fall? This?

1074
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis kid? You want me to do? Give me

1075
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: a second Holdupty, Hey, that's too big. He's not gonna

1076
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: move very well. Two things are really the biggest knocks

1077
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: on what I could do with Jordan Davis. First, his

1078
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: ability to stay on the field for more than two plays.

1079
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: He's just a two down player. He doesn't do a

1080
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: whole lot more than that. I mean, he's really good

1081
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: here in those two plays, but let's just forget about that.

1082
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: Third down is where you need him the most, and

1083
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: he's not gonna would your comp be, who'd your comparison plays.

1084
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: I compared him to Derek Brown, who went in the

1085
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: top ten a couple of years ago from Auburn. Yeah,

1086
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: compared him to this space eat. Yeah, he's pretty darn good.

1087
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: The second thing is he's not great off the snap.

1088
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: But I also in my con for him, I was like,

1089
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: but his strength makes up for it, so even Yeah,

1090
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: because he's just gonna move people out of the way.

1091
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be the first because it doesn't matter.

1092
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: And that goes back to that goes back to what

1093
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: I was saying about Belichick. What does he always have

1094
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: he has for He has a forklift in the middle

1095
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: of his defensive line. That's what he specialized in. Judahan

1096
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: on the outside, and he gets a guy that could

1097
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: play the cornerback position. You know why, Why because if

1098
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: your center in your guards can't work up to your linebackers.

1099
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: Second level stuff improves the run defense, which has been

1100
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 1: a problem here. Like the two things, if your most

1101
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: recent memory of this team was the San Francisco game,

1102
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: couldn't run the ball, Dak got pressured way too much

1103
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: so and you couldn't and you really couldn't stop the run. Either,

1104
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: and we don't talk about that enough's right, as we

1105
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: love dan Quinn, we could not stop the run to

1106
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: save our lives at the end of the season and

1107
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: we well, you know, dak was just six and five

1108
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: down the stretch and all those different we couldn't stop anybody.

1109
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: It's I think it's because it was better. But the

1110
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: bar was twenty twenty was the second most rushing yards

1111
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: allowed by a defense in NFL history, So that was

1112
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: you know, you just can't compare it to that. You

1113
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: can't compare it to the worst. But defenses are better

1114
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: when they forced offenses to be in third and long.

1115
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: If you're in third and long, I can bring pressure,

1116
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: if I could take take away to run, make you

1117
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: one dimensional. And those are the things that we couldn't

1118
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: do in the playoffs. We did not make semphasis you're

1119
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: not going to run outside, even just run outside. If

1120
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,280
Speaker 1: I can limit you to just taking things outside the hashes,

1121
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: I can control what you do. And Dallas just hasn't

1122
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: been able to do that as of late. And I

1123
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: think that was the whole purpose of bringing in big urban.

1124
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 1: He got hurt, unfortunately, so they didn't have that to

1125
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: rely on. I think they did their due diligence in

1126
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: terms of trying to feel that whole. Yeah, he just

1127
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: he just sucks that he got hurt. And you're not

1128
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: making it very easy on me to make Jordan Davis

1129
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: fault because you're talking about how like even the one

1130
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: cop that I had or the con that I had,

1131
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: you're saying, it's fine, let's go ahead and get him

1132
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 1: into day they do my fault of four, give him

1133
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: a different compo. Who would be your bad comp don

1134
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: Terry Poe. Let's tug. That was my guy on mail

1135
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: back today though, I said, because you mentioned earlier, heck

1136
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: like Jordan Davis. Yeah, yeah, like in a situation where okay,

1137
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: we want this position, this position, but if a guy

1138
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: just falls and you're just like, it's not a huge,

1139
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: huge need. Dan, he's in the building this week. He

1140
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: is a thirty visit guy reportedly throughout the week. Here,

1141
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: do something stupid, Jordan usually there. He's on our draft

1142
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: magaine or no he's not. He's not on the draft magazine.

1143
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: Please do something something up. You are No, we don't

1144
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: want there're a straight Cowboys guy. I'm not trying to

1145
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm not Look, I'm not sugarcoating this man. This is

1146
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: a guy. You can make this defense so much better.

1147
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 1: This is what will need to be. Come on, let's go, guys.

1148
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: We gotta get something here because we gotta get a

1149
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: dude that could stop plug that middle up. I mean,

1150
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: as much as we talk about how good the defense was,

1151
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: it's creating turnovers. We could not get stops, and there

1152
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: are defenses out there in the league that can't get

1153
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 1: off the field that it makes you mediocre. I don't

1154
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: care how good your offense is. Jordan David, you're listening.

1155
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: Come on, there happened? Can't wait? Fans? You know what

1156
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: to keep your seal phones out? Any interest in secondary

1157
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:21,919
Speaker 1: at all, or you want to try and stay away

1158
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: from that. This draft, I just think secondary take It's

1159
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: so hard to put your finger on an impact player,

1160
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: and that's right now. But you don't think you drafted

1161
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: that last year. I know you don't. You don't, no, no, no,

1162
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying these guys could be developed into players this year. Yeah. Development,

1163
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Development, Yes, because that's a one

1164
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: or two year project, right, one two or three year project.

1165
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm talking about guys that you usually gonna find in

1166
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: a draft right now to see Yep, he's gonna shut down.

1167
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: Some guys don't really see it happen from you doub

1168
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: you doube. I mean, of course you doube. Players are

1169
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: gonna do it. But I mean, but he's like whatever,

1170
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: chill okay, Sauce Gardner, Devin Stanley. Yeah, no, we need

1171
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: trying to make because it doesn't matter because if the

1172
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: guy the quarterback has time to throw the ball, I

1173
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: don't care who the quarterback is, the receiver's gonna get open.

1174
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: These receivers are too good, too fast, too agile nowadays

1175
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: with great hands to be able to guard these guys

1176
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: for three, four or five seconds. If you can't stop

1177
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: the run, you're gonna be in for a long day.

1178
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: If you can't get to the quarterback, you're gonna be

1179
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: in for a long day. So if you don't have

1180
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: either one of those areas sewed up, and I don't

1181
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: care if you've got Jalen Ramsey and Neon Dion outside,

1182
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Like the four or five seconds this

1183
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: is too long to be covering anybody, but that still

1184
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: is time. But let me ask you this, do you

1185
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: think any of the guys that we had from last

1186
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: year's draft will be impactful this season. I think the

1187
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: time is now for both Kelvin Joseph and Nashan. Right

1188
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: those top one hundred picks, they didn't really do a

1189
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: whole lot. In your one, Calvin Joseph's kind of sprinkled

1190
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: in there towards the end, but that wasn't the expectation

1191
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: expectation last year. I feel like pressure is more on

1192
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: who Nashan then Kelvin. Kelvin Joseph do you think so well?

1193
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a top fifty pick that didn't get

1194
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: to play much, and I think to your point, like

1195
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: why they probably won't invest a high pick is because

1196
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: they have him there. They have high hopes for him.

1197
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't discuss, but like that expectation. But I also

1198
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: put you on to what's your name. Nashan has a

1199
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: shorter leash. He has a way shorter leash. Look at

1200
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: Reggie Robinson from two years ago. He was drafted in

1201
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: the fourth round. No, no, no, no, I'm just saying

1202
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: it's the same thing though that was trying to make

1203
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: him a safety. That was That's all I'm saying. The

1204
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: thing that difference with Nashan and I believe is because

1205
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: he's a better special teams player in my opinion. Good point,

1206
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: so point, good point, so come on, But you don't

1207
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: draft a guy in the top one hundred to be

1208
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: a special teams point. But he's contributing. He made a

1209
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: contribution last year. Listen, that's all I'm pointing too. He

1210
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: was His contribution was landing on the football one time,

1211
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: like on a pop swear that look at it, go

1212
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: look at it. He didn't do anything. He was on

1213
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: special teams. That doesn't mean he's a contributor. He was

1214
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: just there. So it was Kelvin Joseph. Doesn't mean he

1215
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: was great. Not bones thought he did well. Yeah, I

1216
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: mean yeah, the e Hondas. Come on, man, I'm a

1217
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: Nation fan. I am a Nation fan. But about guys

1218
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: like Izzy Mukuamo. Mcquamo has learned how to be willing

1219
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: to hit. I talked about that all last year and

1220
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: once we saw him at camp, he doesn't want to hit.

1221
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: At that point in time, he did not want to

1222
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: hit anybody. If he changes that, he'll be a hell

1223
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: of a player. But it's hard when you're twenty some

1224
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: odd years old, all of us, all of a sudden

1225
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: turn to switch on and say all right, I'm whoo,

1226
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: let's go. I'm gonna hit somebody. A guy that went

1227
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,439
Speaker 1: from corner to safety. Also, so yeah, I think having

1228
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 1: Jamaron Curse is a guy that Mukuamo can kind of

1229
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: learn from because they're both bigger bodied safeties quote unquote,

1230
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: they that could potentially help. But it's a willingness. Man.

1231
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: It's no different than I'm being on Kickoff back in

1232
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 1: the day with the Wedge. Either wanted they bust the

1233
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: wedge or you just didn't and it showed up on

1234
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: film every time. Yeah, that's a kama Kazi job right there. Yeah,

1235
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: so were you a big fan of that? That role? Man?

1236
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 1: I had to. I had to stay on the roster,

1237
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: didn't I. So you were a big fan of that.

1238
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: I was a fan on anything that I could have

1239
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: an impact on. If they've required me jumping in betweenix

1240
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, I'm grow man. And on the next show

1241
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: of Talking Cowboys, we'll be out of the Tostitos Championship Plaza.

1242
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: It'll be Isaiah just absolutely flattening Rob Phillips k Yeah,

1243
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: Phillips over the middle. Here comes Isaiah Special. Let's that's

1244
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:27,280
Speaker 1: it for us here I'll talk about cowboys, probably fair,

1245
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand Back, heck My Harrison. I'm Kyle Yumans.

1246
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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week talking cowboys. This has been

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