WEBVTT - Trump Discusses Deporting U.S. Born Citizens (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us as we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 2>He is Ramsy's Jah. I am still q Ward. You

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about Alligator Alcatraz. It is the nickname that

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<v Speaker 1>it's been given. And the President is now again discussing

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<v Speaker 1>deporting US citizens. And you know, these are things that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's our job to learn about and make

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<v Speaker 1>keep it in mind, all right. So for those that

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<v Speaker 1>don't know Q and I, we've had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>conversations behind the scene. This isn't just to show that

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<v Speaker 1>we do. We kind of live in this space. Once

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<v Speaker 1>upon a time we could kind of dip our toe

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<v Speaker 1>into to politics, or we could dip our toe into

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<v Speaker 1>really anything, and nowadays it's an all consuming sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. And this isn't the first time we've had

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation about, you know, what Trump was intending to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and to see it all happen and continue to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no really, there's really no one we can point

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<v Speaker 1>to and say I told you so. All the people

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<v Speaker 1>that chose to set home, all the people that I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a number of things that we could, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we could raise our fist and yell at a cloud

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<v Speaker 1>all we want. But the fact is is that we're here,

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<v Speaker 1>and we probably had more foresight than most most people.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet and still this is I'll speak for both

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<v Speaker 1>of us. I'm sure you'd agree these are still developments

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<v Speaker 1>that are deeply unsettling, despite us kind of knowing that

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<v Speaker 1>they were coming.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'll start us off.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna share a bit from the Black Information Network,

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<v Speaker 1>just giving a little bit of insight into some of

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<v Speaker 1>the more recent developments with respect to Donald Trump. Trump

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<v Speaker 1>floats deporting US citizens again. President Donald Trump has again

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<v Speaker 1>floated the idea of deporting US citizens who commit crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>On Tuesday, July first, Trump was touring a migrant detention

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<v Speaker 1>center in the Florida, Evergrades when he again claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>there are many US citizens who immigrated to this country

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<v Speaker 1>and are committing serious crimes. The president suggested that his

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<v Speaker 1>next job might be to support to deport these people. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not new to our country, They're old to our country.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of them were born in our country. I think

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<v Speaker 1>We ought to get them out of here too, if

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<v Speaker 1>you want to know the truth, he said, per ABC News.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes on to say, so maybe that will be

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<v Speaker 1>the next job. Trump's comments come after Assistant Attorney General

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<v Speaker 1>Brett Shoemate sent out a memo encouraging US attorneys to

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<v Speaker 1>pursue the denaturalization process to advance the administration's policy objectives.

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<v Speaker 1>Shoemate suggested that attorneys open cases against individuals who have

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<v Speaker 1>engaged in torture, war crimes, human trafficking, and human rights violations.

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<v Speaker 1>Many legal experts have said that Trump's proposal to deport

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<v Speaker 1>US citizens who commit crimes as on constitutional, citing the

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<v Speaker 1>Eighth Amendment prohibiting bull and unusual punishment. The president initially

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<v Speaker 1>floated the idea earlier this year, saying he would like

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<v Speaker 1>to send horrible criminals Toale Salvador. But we have some

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<v Speaker 1>horrible criminals American grown born. Trump told reporters on Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force One, noting that he is all for sending them

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<v Speaker 1>to prisons and Salvador. His quote continues, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what the law says on that. On Tuesday, Trump again

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledged that he didn't know if it was legal to

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<v Speaker 1>deport US citizens convicted of crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote. We'll have to find that out legally.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying if we had the legal right to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, I would do it in a heartbeat. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if we do or not. We're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>that right now. Okay, So before I get a little

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<v Speaker 1>too deep into these waters here, qu this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that you brought to my attention, so you know, why

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<v Speaker 1>not jump in and share your thoughts so far?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Rams, the hardest thing about weighing young on

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<v Speaker 2>this topic is that we have to like cover it

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<v Speaker 2>like journalists and talk about it like it's just news

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<v Speaker 2>and pretend that it's not horrifying personally horrifying. Yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's because we understand the endgame, right. The conversation started

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<v Speaker 2>with illegal criminals in this country that were eating the

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<v Speaker 2>cats and dogs and terrorizing our communities. It then shifted

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<v Speaker 2>to illegal criminals in general. It then shifted to illegal

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<v Speaker 2>people undocumented taking your jobs. It then went to just

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<v Speaker 2>immigrants in general. It then went to immigrants during their

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<v Speaker 2>citizenship hearings. It then went to citizens that look like

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<v Speaker 2>the immigrants we don't like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's then moved to.

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<v Speaker 2>Regular people impersonating law enforcement because law enforcement doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to wear uniforms, doesn't have to wear badges, doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to identify themselves, and can wear a mask. So regular

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<v Speaker 2>people impersonating those same people who hate the same people

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<v Speaker 2>that these people seem to also hate, and abducting them

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<v Speaker 2>off the streets. It's now moved to flat out, let's

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<v Speaker 2>just look into kicking anybody out that we don't like

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<v Speaker 2>or that speaks up against us, or that points out

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<v Speaker 2>all of the injustices an illegal, anti constitutional things we do,

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<v Speaker 2>all the illegal anti American things that we do. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>figure out a way to get them out of here too.

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<v Speaker 2>And that people keep not seeing themselves as the potential

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<v Speaker 2>victim to these crimes is why people seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>keeping such a cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Head about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Except a long time ago, I said on one of

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<v Speaker 2>these microphones on Tony Coles's airways, on Beyonce's Internet, that

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<v Speaker 2>this is how you end up back at slavery, and

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<v Speaker 2>personal friends of mine gaslit me and treated me like

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<v Speaker 2>I was being ridiculous, But I understood once they see

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<v Speaker 2>there's no guardrails, there's no checks and balances, and nobody's

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<v Speaker 2>coming to save us. What would make people like this

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<v Speaker 2>stop at whatever you thought the furthest extremity would be.

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<v Speaker 2>So he says it so casually and understands that there's

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<v Speaker 2>no decision he can make that'll lose him his base.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's also discovered that not just does his base

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<v Speaker 2>blindly support him, but everybody seems to be afraid of him,

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<v Speaker 2>Like everyone the people who we always thought would stand

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<v Speaker 2>up for us, and at least people who we thought

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't ben the need to someone like him, even if

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't benevolent, you know, good kind people who cared

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<v Speaker 2>about everybody else.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought they had enough self respect for themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>But you see men whose wives he's insulted, men who

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<v Speaker 2>he's called all different types of names, posing and pictures

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<v Speaker 2>him with him, with big smiles on their face, proud

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<v Speaker 2>of themselves for the evil and disgusting things they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>to tens of millions of people. We could talk about

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<v Speaker 2>this topic for two hours. We just don't have that

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<v Speaker 2>much time. But it's been a stark reality to me

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<v Speaker 2>because I saw it coming. I didn't have to wait

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<v Speaker 2>for him to get here to know that he would.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, one of the things that I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>important to share with our listeners is that we were

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<v Speaker 1>both in Arizona during the time when SB ten seventy

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<v Speaker 1>was the law of the land, or the purported law

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<v Speaker 1>the land. When you know, we have the capacity to

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<v Speaker 1>vote no on SB ten seventy. And for those that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, want a little bit more clarity on what

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<v Speaker 1>that is, you know, you're welcome to go back and

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<v Speaker 1>take a look google that and see what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>But in short, it was almost like a stop and

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<v Speaker 1>frisk sort of a law, but for people who looked.

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<v Speaker 3>Illegal.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we both Q and myself, but those

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<v Speaker 1>of us that all the people I knew, pushed back

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<v Speaker 1>against that just because we saw how slippery is slope

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<v Speaker 1>that was. You know, what does illegal look like in

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<v Speaker 1>a land that used to be Mexico? Right The people

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<v Speaker 1>that live here were here before the United States of

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<v Speaker 1>America was here, and people are trying to use this

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<v Speaker 1>SB ten seventy to I guess the premise was to

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<v Speaker 1>find illegal immigrants and deport them. This was I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell you what year, twenty eleven, twenty twelve, somewhere back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day, and we could see what that could

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<v Speaker 1>turn into. And you know, because there was at the

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<v Speaker 1>time stopping frisk in New York. Certainly black folks knew that, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is that's not cool because it fundamentally changes the

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<v Speaker 1>way life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>to those things. You know what I mean. If the

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<v Speaker 1>police can justifiably pull you over or hem you up

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<v Speaker 1>for vibes whatever, you know, reason that they deem appropriate

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<v Speaker 1>in the moment, and they can do it consistently, they

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<v Speaker 1>can do it with impunity. It makes life a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more challenging for people who are already over overly policed,

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<v Speaker 1>and who are already considered to be criminal and dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>and all that sort of stuff. Right, so we push back,

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<v Speaker 1>way back when and then Donald Trump comes along and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of more or less introduces similar a similar framework

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<v Speaker 1>that makes you know, life and liberty and the pursuit

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<v Speaker 1>of happiness very challenging for people who are somehow of

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<v Speaker 1>Latin descent perhaps and by extension, the rest of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, Q and I would both stand up and

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<v Speaker 1>fight for our brothers and sisters, regardless of how they

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<v Speaker 1>look or what part of the country their ancestors come from,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's our way. But also knowing that slippery slope exists,

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<v Speaker 1>it has a tendency to keep keep you up at

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<v Speaker 1>night in a different way, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>because instead of worrying about people in your community, you're

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<v Speaker 1>worrying about your actual children who are in your home

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<v Speaker 1>right And you know, again there's no big eyes in

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<v Speaker 1>little US. But you know, when you're talking about people

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<v Speaker 1>in your household, it hits different. And just this, this

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<v Speaker 1>administration's entire approach to immigration is like they're criminal first,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're like human maybe like twenty eighth on the list,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're criminal first, you know, their leeches second, non

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayers third, you know, on and on and on. And

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<v Speaker 1>that is a fundamentally flawed view of immigrants if we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about data, if we're talking about immigrants and mass

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we've shared this to stick many times over,

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<v Speaker 1>but immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than actual

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<v Speaker 1>US citizens are. And that is that that has not

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<v Speaker 1>made its way into the.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>The mentality, the MAGA mentality. You know that it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>very like I've seen the comments I have seen. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's just so heartbreaking that these people it's almost like

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<v Speaker 1>they needed something to be angry about, and this president

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<v Speaker 1>gave them something to be angry about, and now that

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<v Speaker 1>he sees their anger being directed in the same direction,

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to continue to ramp things up so that

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<v Speaker 1>he can show them some form of progress. And as

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<v Speaker 1>long as they see their anger being taken out on

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<v Speaker 1>a community, they're okay with it. Whether or not it

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<v Speaker 1>has any material effect on their reality is not something

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<v Speaker 1>that they seem to be concerned about. I'm sure in

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<v Speaker 1>the furthest recesses of their mind, they're hoping that somehow

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<v Speaker 1>all these people being deported is going to fundamentally change

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<v Speaker 1>their reality and they're going to make more money and

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<v Speaker 1>be able to dat a higher caliber partner and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>become a movie star. I'm not sure what these people's

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<v Speaker 1>aspirations are with respect to this, but you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>reality of the fact is that it's a it's a

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<v Speaker 1>waste of taxpayer money. It's it's a wasted effort. The

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<v Speaker 1>money would be better spent in reforming the immigration system

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<v Speaker 1>so that people can more easily come here legally, because

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<v Speaker 1>everybody wants to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>And the crazy thing about this is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this train is moving, you know, Q, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to tap you in right here. There was some elements

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<v Speaker 1>of the Big Beautiful Bill that you and I discussed recently.

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<v Speaker 1>That and I think all of this stuff kind of

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<v Speaker 1>works together. But you know, people need to know about this.

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<v Speaker 1>And before I let you, let you go, que there

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<v Speaker 1>are resources if you look for them. There are resources

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<v Speaker 1>that you can use in your own communities around the

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<v Speaker 1>country to support individuals you feel might be unfairly targeted

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<v Speaker 1>by ICE, immigration rates, people getting abducted up the streets,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just please look for them. Please know that

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<v Speaker 1>although this is a trying time for all of us,

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<v Speaker 1>there are still resources, and there are still people who

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<v Speaker 1>love and support you and your play and want to

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<v Speaker 1>help out because the only way we get through this

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<v Speaker 1>is together.

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<v Speaker 3>Are aq the Big Beautiful Bill. You shared some stuff

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<v Speaker 3>with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was so potent, So help me out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you got to be more specific, because that Beautiful Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't we don't have enough time to cover it

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<v Speaker 2>as in depth or as grossly general as that lead

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<v Speaker 2>in was.

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<v Speaker 3>We could. We could spend another twenty five minutes talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About the Big Beautiful Bill and how it's taking away

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<v Speaker 2>way you know, social security, healthcare, education for ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the people that voted for it, that that

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<v Speaker 2>elected this administration and gave their support. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Red States, unfortunately in this country, will be impacted by

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<v Speaker 2>these decisions the most. You know, those who have the

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<v Speaker 2>least will have even less than they had before.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, your.

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<v Speaker 2>Teachers, your doctors, your nurses, all the people that provide

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<v Speaker 2>care for you and your loved ones, your parents, your babies.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, some of those jobs don't exist anymore. And

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<v Speaker 2>the resources dedicated to those sectors of our society are

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<v Speaker 2>being stripped away so that people who already have everything

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<v Speaker 2>can have more.

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<v Speaker 3>Rething like, what's more than everything? More eything? I don't

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<v Speaker 3>even know what do you say that? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And we've now again you said this. This train is

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<v Speaker 2>already moving, This avalanche has already started. It's already rolling downhill.

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<v Speaker 2>You brought up to me, you know before, what this

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<v Speaker 2>is leading to?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? What are they doing now?

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<v Speaker 2>The merch that we saw that they're treating like a

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<v Speaker 2>theme park in Florida? Yeah, alligators immigrants, Alligator Alcatraz. They

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<v Speaker 2>gave it a theme park name. They're selling hats and

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<v Speaker 2>t shirts. They're smiling and celebrating at this disgusting thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not even pretending to not be Nazi like anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Ramses like they're following the playbook to a t, from

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<v Speaker 2>the salutes to the concentration camps, because that's what we

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<v Speaker 2>need to call it. It's not a theme park where

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<v Speaker 2>you go get souvenirs. And they're like making light of it,

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<v Speaker 2>cracking jokes. You know, the President maneuvering his hands to

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<v Speaker 2>show the type of running pattern that people need to

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<v Speaker 2>have as they run from alligators. You have lawmakers saying

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<v Speaker 2>that they're going to have forty five million pieces of

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<v Speaker 2>food for these alligators. And if you have to try

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out why that number, google the Hispanic population

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States. The number might tie into what

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<v Speaker 2>she said. So all of it is pretty disgusting. Man

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<v Speaker 2>taking everything from the least of us, just out of greed,

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<v Speaker 2>not out of need.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't need more.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're not even disguising these things they're doing to harmony,

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<v Speaker 2>to harm everyone. They're not even disguising them as things

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<v Speaker 2>designed to help everyone or anyone point zero zero zero

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<v Speaker 2>zero two percent of Americans will benefit from the Big

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<v Speaker 2>Beautiful Bill. But seventy seven million Americans thought that that

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<v Speaker 2>was a way to go.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the thing about this that I'm gonna say

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<v Speaker 1>this and not I have not vetted this. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that it's true. But you know, media comes to

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<v Speaker 1>us a number of ways, and you know, some information

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<v Speaker 1>came our way about people getting transported to other countries

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<v Speaker 1>and thrown off of the airplane into the ocean because

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<v Speaker 1>they're in the middle of their deportation process. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I pushed back and I said, hey, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can verify any of these stories, please, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let me know if this is something that's happening, because

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<v Speaker 1>I need a credible source. But I really worry that

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<v Speaker 1>it is. And the only reason I worry that it

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<v Speaker 1>is true is because of stories like the one you

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<v Speaker 1>just said. You know, people that are like, like the

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<v Speaker 1>point is to make it as mean as possible.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no cruelness, and the cruelty is the whole point.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really sad. But again, there's ways to push back

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<v Speaker 1>and to insulate your community, So you know, bear that

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<v Speaker 1>in mind and educate yourself, find the resources that's going

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