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Speaker 2: It was actually pretty good. I called it my sad

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Speaker 2: the PAC twelve and the PAC twelve South because That's

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Speaker 2: where I'm from. Pack twelve South Country. But also I

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Speaker 2: like sitting back and letting Tye cook. Ty bringing the

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Speaker 1: PAC twelve South. This is our final conference preview. We've

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Speaker 1: very exciting. So much of what we've talked about here

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Speaker 2: Words have meaning I've said this before you cannot call

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Speaker 2: Week zero so exciting.

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Speaker 1: No, it is so exciting. Here's why. Okay, how many

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Speaker 1: of these previews have we just interjected with? Well, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty was the COVID year. Twenty twenty was a weird year.

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Speaker 1: Stanford dealt with a lot in twenty twenty. Are you

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Speaker 1: mocking Stanford's I'm not mocking anybody. We all had to

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm with you, I'm absolutely with you. And then

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Speaker 2: we're finishing with the headliner, the PAC twelve.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm mmmmmm. I'm excited to hear where we're going

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Speaker 1: from here. Where shall we start our PAC twelve South coverage?

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Speaker 1: Jan Where would you like me to go first?

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Speaker 2: Let's start with a team who I believe plays week zero, right,

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Speaker 2: the UCLA Bruins.

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Speaker 2: No longer taking a back seat to the Trojans across

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Speaker 2: So my proposal is we just figure out who has

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Speaker 1: See you later. Oh well, wow, God, I have some

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Speaker 1: So much of UCLA's season will be defined by this road.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, of course I could go deeper. I

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Speaker 1: Antonio Alfon Seika. Okay, so they have an Alfhon Saka problem. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they could improve. The running game I think is still

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Speaker 1: on offense, they need to figure out a solution out wide. Defensively, defensively,

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Speaker 1: it's tough to say, man I the defense last year

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Speaker 1: They couldn't tackle, which is a problem for a defense.

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Speaker 1: I really like Jayden Daniels. I know last year was

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Speaker 1: They should put those guys in on field goal coverage

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Speaker 2: they're eight and oe at Halloween. Okay, all in, baby,

431
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Speaker 2: I like it. I listen, listen, you have planted your

432
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Speaker 2: flag and the sparky Sharkers out there.

433
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Speaker 1: Hey, Sarka's going all gas, no breaks. We can too. Yeah.

434
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Speaker 2: Herm's track record is a lot of sort of playing

435
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Speaker 2: close games, winning some of them, not winning some of them.

436
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Speaker 1: I know. And maybe this is a breakthrough year.

437
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,479
Speaker 2: Giving away the USC game the way they did, now,

438
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Speaker 2: this was it was strange ear and it was the

439
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: first game whatever, but giving that away late was worrisome

440
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: to me. And some of the stretches they went and

441
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Speaker 2: they the loss to UCLA. It was down to, like

442
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: just some fundamental mistakes by that offense that just can't

443
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Speaker 2: happen if they're going to break through. So I get

444
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Speaker 2: where the crushes especially. I like those backslot, I like

445
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: their back seven. I think on defense good, very good.

446
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 2: But yeah, last year is sample size and the actual

447
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 2: teams they played, I don't know how much it does

448
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: for me. So I'm crazy curious about the Sun Devils.

449
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: It'd be a great story one where they are very,

450
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Speaker 1: very fascinating. Where do you want to go next?

451
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Speaker 2: Let's go USC, which I have concluded is another team

452
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Speaker 2: that might challenge for the division.

453
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Speaker 1: It's true the Pac twelve South is wide open, wide open.

454
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Speaker 1: You can make a case for a bunch of teams,

455
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Speaker 1: not the least of which is USC. Many folks like USC.

456
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 1: I don't dislike them. They were five and one last year.

457
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Speaker 1: They lost by seven to Oregon in the Pac twelve

458
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Speaker 1: title game. In a good season, all things is considered.

459
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Speaker 1: The problem, as ever, was that it just wasn't good enough.

460
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: It wasn't better right, And it feels like that's where

461
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: we inevitably get to every year. The team is loaded.

462
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: They should have done better last as they used to be. Yeah,

463
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: last year they had Keaton Slows at quarterback. I'm and

464
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: Ross Saint Brown, Tyler Vaughan's out wide, Elijah Vera tucker

465
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Speaker 1: along the line. The efficiency of the run game was

466
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Speaker 1: not great, but then again, the running game is not

467
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Speaker 1: the centerpiece of the offense. Almost seventy seven percent of

468
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: the total offense came through the air, given that they

469
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Speaker 1: were on that Graham harral system more of an air

470
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Speaker 1: eighty thing. So they have dudes out wide, they've got

471
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Speaker 1: a really good quarterback who's banged up. Yeah, Bru McCoy

472
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: not with the team right now. I believe after uh

473
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Speaker 1: he got into some trouble disciplinary issues, off the field stuff, yeah,

474
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Speaker 1: involving assault. Yeah, so you know, well, let's see what

475
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Speaker 1: happens this year with that running game. Again, the offense

476
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: is not predicated on the running game, but if they

477
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: could get a little squeeze, a little bit more efficiency

478
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Speaker 1: out of it, it would make him better. And that

479
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: was one of the blind items in I believe the

480
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Speaker 1: athletics preview of USC that Graham Harrold was stubborn, that

481
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Speaker 1: he should have run the ball more, he should have

482
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Speaker 1: given it to his backs a little bit more, and

483
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Speaker 1: he refuses to do so. So I don't know, right

484
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Speaker 1: for whatever that's worth, I'm not an ex as and

485
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Speaker 1: O's guy, but it seems like there's some conjecture out

486
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: there that there's something on the table that USC is

487
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Speaker 1: not taking advantage of.

488
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Speaker 2: Do you get the sense that And I don't know

489
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 2: of how much USC you watched last year. I'm sure

490
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: you watched the bigger games, maybe ASU and the PAC

491
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: twelve championship game. There's an element to me where given

492
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Speaker 2: how strong USC has recruited and how electric their receivers

493
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: can look if you remember back to like Michael Pittman

494
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: and the best of Tyler Vaughan's and you know there's

495
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: Aman Ross Saint Brown, there sometimes feels like there's an

496
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: element that USC is too much car for Graham Harrell,

497
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: like he doesn't in this back tied in with our theme,

498
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: but he doesn't fully know the gears, he doesn't fully

499
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: know how to shift, he doesn't full like how when

500
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: to break on the curves. Like it's just a little

501
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: too much car that he's not fully comfortable, he can't

502
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 2: handle the offense. Yeah, right, I don't know if you

503
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: ever did you watch The Sopranos, there's a great scene.

504
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: I didn't watch Theos.

505
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: I did watch Star Skiing Hutch with Ben Stiller and

506
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson, Okay, it's a scene in there too much Car.

507
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's there's a scene in the Soprano is

508
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: a really funny one where Johnny Sack, one of the

509
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: guys in the and the crew, buys a Maserati and

510
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: he's just showing it off and how impressive he is.

511
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: And then he gets in and tries to drive it

512
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 2: and it is a nightmare. He puts his foot on

513
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: the gas and he loses full control of the car.

514
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: It's a great scene. Okay, continue back to the Trojans. Yeah,

515
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if I pick that up.

516
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 2: I let me keep it within the context of what

517
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: we saw last year. Okay, well, we'll get to the

518
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: broader point. The line does need to improve upfront, and

519
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: whether that is to bolster a ground game or to

520
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: keep Keaton Slovas from getting hurt because Keaton Slovas has

521
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: hurt that right arm twice now mm hmm. The other

522
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: thing that they need to get better at on offense

523
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 2: is third and short, fourth and shorts. A lot of

524
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: situations like that last year where they really struggled, and

525
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's an effort thing. I don't

526
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: know if that's a strength and conditioning thing. I don't

527
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 2: know what that is in particular, but that came back

528
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: to bite them in many instances last year, and they

529
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: need they need to improve now as we go into

530
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: a full season, not just six games, right, that's very

531
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Speaker 2: obvious to me. On offense, defensively, they were learning Todd

532
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: Orlando's system after he came over from Texas, and we've

533
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: talked about it time and again here. He does run

534
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: that hyper aggressive system. Last year, USC had sixteen takeaways,

535
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 2: which was actually as many as they forced in all

536
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen.

537
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Speaker 1: So it works, step forward, it works, step forward, awesome stuff.

538
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: They're still really young on defense, by the way, going

539
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: into this year, so they do well this year. Hopefully

540
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: they can build on it moving forward. So look like

541
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: the appeal for USC, I think is pretty obvious. The

542
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: appeal is that they should win the South. There's really

543
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: no good reason why they shouldn't win the South. They

544
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: have sixteen guys back, including Slovis, including Drake London. They're

545
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: big target out wide, including Drake Jackson. On defense. They

546
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Speaker 1: add in Keyante Ingram who comes over from Texas. They

547
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Speaker 1: add in Corey Foreman, formerly the top player in the

548
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: twenty one class, who should be able to give them

549
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: some pop off the edge on defense. We'll see, you know,

550
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: we haven't seen him. Twenty four to seven Sports actually

551
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: graded him higher. They do the historical recruiting rankings. They

552
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: graded Corey Forman higher than both Leonard Fournette and Adrian Peterson. Wow,

553
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: so they're into him. He's like the twelfth highest recruit

554
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: of all time. There is so much back for this

555
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: team on both sides of the ball, and there are

556
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: no obvious killers in USC's path. And I think that's

557
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: why I'm excited. I think that's why I'm excited. It

558
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: doesn't take a killer, though it does modern right, Let's see,

559
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: You're right, Keaton's Slovis is so important to this thing

560
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: if it's going to take flight. He took a small

561
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: step back last year, not anything to be too concerned

562
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: about in a COVID year.

563
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: No, he had Oregon on this schedule. It sort of

564
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 2: wasn't a step back. It was just a normal thing

565
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Speaker 2: for him continue.

566
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Speaker 1: But I'm looking for a strong effort out of him

567
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 1: this year. He's a Heisman contender for good reason. He's

568
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: going to put up some numbers. He's going to go

569
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: way too high in the draft because he's good, he's

570
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: not great. Sorry, that's okay. We'll see how he holds

571
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: up because he's had both the elbow issue and the

572
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: shoulder issue on that right side, and I don't trust

573
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: the offensive line to keep him safe, so that to

574
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: me is an X factor. I like Slovas in this offense.

575
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: I think he'll be fine, but they need to keep

576
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 1: him up right and healthy. Defensively, I feel good about

577
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: Todd Orlando's system. I think it's going to help. I

578
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: think Drake Jackson to beast at linebacker, and he's the

579
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: best guy on the field on that side of the

580
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: ball for SC. That may change if Corey Foreman comes

581
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: in and makes an impact, but he's only a true freshman,

582
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: so we'll have to wait and see. I feel pretty

583
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: good generally speaking about their defense and the other thing

584
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: that I'll point out here, and I would hope that

585
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: this differentiates us at least to some small extent from

586
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: other USC previews out there. Okay, we haven't mentioned Clay

587
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: Helton's name until now correct. He is perpetually on the

588
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: hot seat. In part. I think it's because they never

589
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: really wanted him at coach to begin with. You just

590
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: happen to be the offensive guy who was nice and

591
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: stable amid all sorts of uncertainty, and he got the

592
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: job mm hm. And he's been there through the Kiffen

593
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: thing and the coach oh thing and the Sark thing.

594
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe nothing will ever be good enough

595
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: for people at USC, but Clay Helton's on the hot seat.

596
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: That does make it interesting on some level, but that

597
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: should not be the main reason why. The main reason

598
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: for me is that they have the talent. They have

599
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: the talent they have been building. If they can't put

600
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: it together this year, then maybe we can talk about Helton.

601
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: But they have what they need if they want to

602
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: try and build this thing and take another giant step forward.

603
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: So I think I largely agree. I think their offensive

604
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: line is not good. Like I I understand they've had

605
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: a couple of players drafted these past couple of year

606
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: years would buy and large and as a unit, and

607
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: where the recruiting of the offensive line has.

608
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: Gone, it's not gone to a great place along the way.

609
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: It's not that good and so on paper, like the

610
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: people who receive the majority of the attention, and I

611
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: think we are all old enough to remember their recruiting

612
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: class from two years ago, which was like a whole

613
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: bunch of unimpressive. I mean, maybe those guys will work out,

614
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: but it just in terms of the bar USC is

615
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: set for talent, USC it's easy to say they have

616
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: the talent. It's easily to say they have a big

617
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: talent advantage that is shrunken.

618
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: But with.

619
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Speaker 2: A solid defense and a now third year starter at quarterback,

620
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: it's fair that the expectations.

621
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Speaker 1: Are where they are totally.

622
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: But on on another level, I just I don't like

623
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: who is the big edge rusher for this USC team.

624
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: It could be a quarterback, it could be so it's

625
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: a true freshman. Who is you're counting on to just.

626
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Speaker 1: No no, no, no no no, I said, could I don't know,

627
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: could be.

628
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying like, in terms of if a team has

629
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Speaker 2: a talent advantage, then they should have a depth and

630
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: approven element to things or a next guy up kind

631
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: of thing that other teams don't have. And so I

632
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 2: don't know with.

633
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Speaker 1: The guys who departed after last year, like they have

634
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: good like kind of tweener guys at like defensive tackle,

635
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: defensive end, but like that outside linebacker, edge rush like

636
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: disruptive force. Like I just there's not a lot that

637
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: I feel good about about USC and the trenches. There's

638
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: a couple guys on defense, but just otherwise, I think

639
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: the reason they get beat is because their talent is

640
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: probably overstated, especially on the offensive line. And that's what

641
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: I think brings them back down to earth. It's why

642
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 1: they can't consistently run. It's why against Oregon, Ketan Slovas

643
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: finds himself tearing across the field running for his life

644
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: while trying to complete passes because his tackles don't hold

645
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: up their end of the bargain. So that to me

646
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 1: is the concern with the experience at you know, ASU,

647
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: with the track record of Utah, and I don't know

648
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: what their current you know, defensive line looks like, but

649
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: I just benefit of the doubt, assume they've got guys waiting.

650
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 1: That that's the concern for me that brings USC back

651
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: down to Earth. Well. Look, another one of those blind

652
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:15,320
Speaker 1: items that I referenced earlier was the fact that speaking

653
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: of their defense, right that Drake Jackson is far and

654
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 1: away the best player on the defense and everyone else

655
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: is just sort of so so.

656
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Drake Jackson, and he's that guy I

657
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: suppose who can be a disruptive force. But yeah, yeah,

658
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: I mean it's a fair point, Dan, it's a fair point.

659
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: I do think the schedule's favorable. They get you taught

660
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 2: at home. If a bye week, then they go to

661
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. Later in the year, they're at Arizona State.

662
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: But otherwise I feel pretty good. And there's the UCLA

663
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 2: game to close out the year, of course, but you know,

664
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about this team. The Vegas over

665
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: unders eight and a half. If you like the under. Here,

666
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: here is why you're betting that. You were betting that

667
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: because you are saying sc is going to go oh

668
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: and three against Utah Notre Dame in ASU and then

669
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,399
Speaker 2: that they're also going to lose another one in there,

670
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: maybe to Ucla, I don't know who. But it's not

671
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: a schedule with a ton of killers. They don't play Oregon.

672
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 2: I would go over eight and a half. Nora Washington, Yeah,

673
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: I think I I think over is reasonable at this

674
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: point if you were just going to invest in a

675
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: team to put it all together. The Prey, Yeah, I mean,

676
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: I'm still down on the offensive line and some of

677
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 2: the elements up front on defense.

678
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: But who on the schedule is taking.

679
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 2: Advantage No, exactly, and that's Utah scoring thirty five thirty

680
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: eight points against USC. I don't like even like Keithan

681
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: slowas I believe. I believe he had a good game

682
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: against Notre Dame.

683
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: Two years ago. Yeah, right, your game.

684
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: So there's that element to things, and it's not like

685
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: Notre Dame right now is appearing to match where they

686
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: were last year just because of to compare Jack Cone

687
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: and uh and where they were with Ian Book. I

688
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 2: don't think it's an amazing to get Notre Dame because

689
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: I think they're still going to be really, really good.

690
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: They're the clear best team on their schedule, on sc schedule,

691
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 2: but outside of Notre Dame and you know, some combination

692
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: of UCLA and a SU, I think it's inexcusable that

693
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: with this schedule and this experience, USC goes anything less

694
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: than ten and two.

695
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would agree with that, totally agree with that. Again,

696
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: the over under is eight and a half. I would

697
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: go over Flying Colors.

698
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: They have BYU technically in a revenge spot because they

699
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: lost that game a couple of years ago. That's in

700
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: La Ucla is I mean, it's always in LA, but

701
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: that's you know, at the coliseum, and you know the

702
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: weekend or a Cal is going to be tough, and

703
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: that's consecutive road games with ASU. But I think they

704
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: should easily beat Cal if they are relatively on their game.

705
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: I think they have a really good shot at beating

706
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: ASU because I'm not as high on a su I

707
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: like ASU.

708
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: But I'm I just I don't know. I'll stand by

709
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: it inexcusable to win fewer than ten? Yeah, will me

710
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: to do Utah next? Since you mentioned them, I would

711
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: love to do the Utes. It lost the first two

712
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 1: games on their schedule to USC and a road game

713
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: at Washington. Saw a lot of Jake Bentley because Cam Rising,

714
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: their transfer starting quarterback, got knocked out for the year

715
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: in the third series of the season, came up from Texas,

716
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: right yeah, yep. And we also saw a breakout performance

717
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: from Ty Jordan, the true freshman who tragically lost his

718
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: life on Christmas Day, a horrible thing that this team

719
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: had to deal with. But Utah was Utah the appeal

720
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: here if you want to call it that, and to

721
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 1: use your maserati or too much car John Harrak, yep.

722
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: Utah is what Honda accord no.

723
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: I mean in its dependability, it's just a solid time.

724
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: I think they're more rugged. I think they're like the

725
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: Clint Eastwood deep Grand Cherokee.

726
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: Keep Grand Cherokee. Fine, fine, we can do that. But

727
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: they're solid. They're consistent, they're reliable year over year. You

728
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: know what you're going to get out of them. You

729
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: know they're going to contend for the South. Sorry, they're

730
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: a Volvo station Wagon Volvo station. They're never going to

731
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: break down. Never, That's just what they are. Kyle Winningham's

732
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: done a really good job of building this roster. He's

733
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,439
Speaker 1: got nineteen guys back. It's still a team that's fairly young.

734
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: And the other thing that I give him a lot

735
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: of credit for is he's been aggressive on the transfer portal.

736
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: He's really gone out and tried to plug gaps as

737
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: best he can. This season is going to be a

738
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: lot like all the other Utah seasons. Frankly, you don't

739
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: have many questions about their defense. They're absolutely loaded on

740
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: defense again, at least in the back seven. Devin Lloyd

741
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: could have gone pro, but he opted to come back.

742
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: He and Nafi Sewell are going to anchor that lineback

743
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: and cor quarterback to defen defense. They'll have a good defense. Again,

744
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,959
Speaker 1: this is just what Utah does. But speaking of quarterbacking,

745
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: we do need to talk about this. Yeah, the real

746
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: intrigue for me, the real appeal for me, is whether

747
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: or not Kyle Whittingham's going to give the keys over

748
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: to Chas Brewer. Yeah. Chas Brewer transferred over from Baylor.

749
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: Cam Rising is also still in the hunt. He is

750
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: the red shirt sophomore. He won the job last year,

751
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: then he got hurt. They also signed j Quinton Jackson

752
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 1: from Texas who could factor in as well. Chaz Brewer

753
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: is the veteran. And if Brewer has been a veteran

754
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: since he was eleven, he's he's been around forever. Yeah,

755
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: and Andy Ludley loves him. He loves Chaz Brewer, loves him.

756
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: Trip it over himself complimenting Chas Brewer and his veteran leadership.

757
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: I've only picked up the offense in the springtime, and

758
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: I didn't like this move at first. I still kind

759
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: of don't, but I have very slowly but surely talked

760
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: myself back into Chaz Brewer a because we can call

761
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: him Chaz and b because I remember, like two years ago,

762
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: I was all in on Charlie Brewer and back then

763
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: in the heyday of Baylor, and I guess that was

764
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: Matt Rule. Their line was terrible and he just got killed.

765
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: He was killed. He's on his back the whole year long,

766
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: and I felt bad for him. I thought he was

767
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: a good quarterback. I still think he's a good quarterback.

768
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk myself into this for one last ride. Okay,

769
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: just one last ride, Okay, one last ride. I've been

770
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: studying Utah for three weeks now. I've talked myself into

771
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: Chas Brewer. Why. It's like a TCU thing for me.

772
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: It's an Ole miss thing for me in Arizona State

773
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: thing for me where Britain Covey is still there though, right,

774
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: Briton Covey's still there. Yeah, yeah, Okay, that counts. I

775
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: think they have two decent quarterbacks here. I just don't

776
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: know what the ceiling is. And that's where the concern is.

777
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: For me. To be fair, Utah has gone places even

778
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: with substandard quarterback play. They're just solid, right, They're the

779
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: accord that Grand Cherokee. You just you know what you're

780
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: gonna get, but to get some better quarterback play would

781
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: really take them to a great spot. See, I thought

782
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: they were in.

783
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: They weren't a good place a couple of years ago

784
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: at quarterback. To me, it's where who was it that

785
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: that quarterback a couple of years ago who was really

786
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: accurate and was really good all year long and just

787
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: sort of ran into the buzz side?

788
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: Now, what are you talking about?

789
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: Utah's quarterback from twenty nineteen as we figure this out,

790
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: as we're talking Tyler Huntley.

791
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: Tyler hunt Yeah, he was Okay, it was.

792
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: They had a season of Darren Carrington, the Oregon transfer,

793
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: But it's that same element of the team's next step

794
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: is athletically running with the best of the conference when

795
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: they're able to stretch the field and be creative. And

796
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: they had a different oc then who I think is

797
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: now the head coach of sax State, and so they

798
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: hired Andy Ludwig, who's pretty good. I'm never going to

799
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 2: be a huge, huge Ludwick guy. But no, I don't

800
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: think it's QB. I don't think that's the issue. I

801
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: really do think it is receiver recruiting and development. They

802
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 2: lost one of their best receivers, right he transferred away

803
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: Brian Thompson. So it's just that room specifically, I think

804
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 2: has been lacking. I was sinking with five seven years.

805
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: Brian Johnson, by the way, quarterback from oh from two

806
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, who's now the Is he the offensive

807
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: coordinator at Florida something like that. Yeah, yeah, we're all

808
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: getting old here. But yeah, no, I'm with you. But yeah.

809
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: The other the other tidbit that I should point out

810
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: to the point of Kyle Whittingham being aggressive on the

811
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: transfer portal.

812
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: The quarterbacks coach of the Eagles, Now, yeah he was.

813
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:08,879
Speaker 2: He was the OC at Florida last year.

814
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: He got TJ. Pledger from Oklahoma, second leading rusher for

815
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: the Sooners last year, also brought over Chris Curry from

816
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: LSU to help in the rushing attack. So mm hmm,

817
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: it's those are the two open spots, frankly, the quarterback

818
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 1: and running back spot. And we'll see what they can do.

819
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: We'll see to what heights those that combination of those

820
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: two guys can can take Utah the over unders eight

821
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 1: and a half. I can't find more than three losses here,

822
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: I suppose if it all goes south, if they go

823
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: oh and three against you know, ASU and Oregon and whoever. Like,

824
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: that's still only nine and three, and they have a

825
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: SU and Oregon both at elevation elevation. Yeah, so if

826
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: they go, if they go zero and three to sc

827
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: and ASU and Oregon, that stills only nine and three.

828
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: They could lose to UCLA. Could they drop a dumb

829
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: one on the road at like Oregon State? Yeah, of course,

830
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: But I just I feel like this is a solid team.

831
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: I would be inclined to go over.

832
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: They also have Ucla a week after the Bruins have Oregon. Yeah,

833
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: and that's in rice Ecles.

834
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I go over with Utah eight point five. Again,

835
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: as you're over under, I think I'm squarely at eight.

836
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: Just under, I'm squarely at eight. I just I'm not

837
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 2: a Brewer guy like I think you are.

838
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: Sorry, Chaz Brewer, Baby, another year of the Chazz. Yeah.

839
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna win as much as they possibly can.

840
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: Scoring twenty four points, that's been the m Sometimes that'll

841
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 2: be good enough, sometimes.

842
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: It won't be. So far we've done sc Utah, Arizona State,

843
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: and Ucla.

844
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, have a Arizona and Colorado left. Arizona was the

845
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: clear bottom of the conference or at the end of

846
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: the division last year. Let's go Colorado right now, who

847
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: lost a bunch but were a very quiet success story

848
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty.

849
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: They were, all things considered right four and two really

850
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: good given the fact that mel Tucker left pretty late

851
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: in the game and went to Michigan State, and then

852
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: the pandemic happened and they gave the keys to Carl Durell. Yeah,

853
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: who had not been a head coach since his stint

854
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: at UCLA ended back in oh seven, so it's been

855
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: a while. We looked past the fact that his hiring

856
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere, mainly because Colorado was in a

857
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: buy and that they just needed a guy. But it

858
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: was not an inspiring move, at least not on the surface,

859
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: and we talked about it on the show. We didn't

860
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: know what to make of it. It felt very odd,

861
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 1: but lo and behold. They started out four to zho

862
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: lost handily in the last two games to both Utah

863
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: and Texas.

864
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: By the way, took BP against Colorado kill in that

865
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: pole killed, Yeah, Like, look up, how many pieces reference

866
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 2: what Bijon Robinson and Casey Thompson, the Texas running back

867
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: and quarterback like well, here's here's the case for Casey Thompson.

868
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: Look what he did against Colorado. Yeah, yeah, it was

869
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: it was BP.

870
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 1: But Carl Drell ended up winning the Pac twelve Coach

871
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: of the Year. Sure and a good year. The appeal,

872
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: I think is the combination of a normal off season

873
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: plus knowing what they need to fix, plus also having

874
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: some actual dudes on this team, right, which is important.

875
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 1: So like Jarck Broussard, they're running back Pac twelve offensive

876
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: Player of the Year, led the conference in rushing. He's

877
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: going to be the focal point twenty one. Not necessarily

878
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: a big kid, but a good fit for what they're

879
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: trying to do. Obviously, very productive, had almost i think

880
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: six yards to carry shade under that and that was

881
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: with a beat up offensive line.

882
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: I was going to say they finished I'm looking right now.

883
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: Colorado finished seventy ninth in terms of rushing success rate,

884
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: and yet they're starting running back was the offensive player

885
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: of the year. That's difficult. An inefficient running team, yet

886
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 2: you're running back finished as the top offensive player in

887
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: the conference this year.

888
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: The line brings back four starters. The only loss is

889
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: William Sherman at left tackle. They're going to replace him

890
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: with an Ohio State transfer Max Ray. I don't have

891
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: questions about them running this season. What I can't gauge

892
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: is the passing game. Okay, because Sam Noyer left, he

893
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 1: transferred out to be the backup at Oregon State. Back

894
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: up at Oregon State. Yeah, it's either going to be

895
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: j T. Shrout from Tennessee or Brendan Lewis the freshman.

896
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: And there are two different types of quarterbacks. It really

897
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: is a question. It's a fork in the road for

898
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: what kind of system Colorad wants to run. Shroud's going

899
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: to hang in the pocket. He's a pocket passer, and

900
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: Lewis is much more of a dual threat guy. It

901
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: is not a given that they're going to improve just

902
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: because these names are different. It never is. But it's

903
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: worth mentioning here because we really don't know. Like I think,

904
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: in either case, you'll probably get more efficiency than he

905
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: got last year, but it's not a given. It's never

906
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: a given. So I'm hopeful, but I'm skeptical. Out wide,

907
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: it's a good group to throw to. I don't know

908
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: if there are any killers out there, but they have options.

909
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: You have Dimitri Stanley, He's back Leviscus Channault's younger brother

910
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: is back. The son of Jerry Rice is also out wide,

911
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: so good pedigree out wide. And I think whoever the

912
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: quarterback is, they'll have weapons to work with. But it's

913
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: just who is it and what does that system look like?

914
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: That remains a question to me. You know. Defensively, Nate Landman,

915
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: Car and Wells are back, which is good. They've also

916
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: got Terrence laying up front, Isaiah Lewis in the back,

917
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: so there's some talent there, there, really is. They lost

918
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: Katie Nixon right he went to SC I believe, so, yeah,

919
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: I believe so out wide. Yeah. The big change though

920
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: on defense is that Carl Durrell fired Tyson Summers and

921
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: promoted from within with Chris Wilson. So we'll see what

922
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: that looks like. You know, it's hard to say. I

923
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: think moderate improvement, maybe if only due to the fact

924
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: that they've got eight guys coming back, but there is talent,

925
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: which is very important here to note there is talent.

926
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to improve upon going four

927
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: and two in the PAC twelve? I think their defense

928
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: will play better.

929
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 2: Okay, I think their defense I'll say that improving upon

930
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: Fouri and two means at least an.

931
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: Eight win team. The over runder is four and a half. Yeah,

932
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: that's why I ask with eyes askance. The over runners

933
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: four and a half schedule is number nine in the country.

934
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: It's hard. Yeah, they play A and M week two

935
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: in Denver, They've got Minnesota on the non conference sleep,

936
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: they go to ASU, They've got USC after ASU back

937
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,959
Speaker 1: to back weeks at the end of September, they go

938
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: to Oregon, and then they have a gauntlet to close

939
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: out the year at UCLA home against Washington at Utah

940
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: on a short week. So it's a hard schedule. It's

941
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: hard schedule. Yeah, four and a half of the team.

942
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: Four and a half is your over under. I'd go

943
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: under because I can't comfortably get to more than two

944
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: if I'm being.

945
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: Four, but it's I'm not feeling good at all about quarterbacks,

946
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: so I kind of put that down to three.

947
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't mistake mind, Colorado. Don't mistake my optimism

948
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: for the path forward with what the win loss record

949
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: is actually going to look like, because it's a really

950
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: tough schedule and they are still building this thing. But

951
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: there are some names here that I am excited to

952
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: see more.

953
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: Of I don't think this is a long term solution

954
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:16,800
Speaker 2: for Colorado, the Carl derell era, unfortunately, probably not, probably not.

955
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: I just I want more excitement on the recruiting trail.

956
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: I want more obvious growth points. And it really feels

957
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: like a they've already peaked the situation.

958
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: No, well it could be, could be close it out

959
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: with Arizona, Dan m HM and five last year, Kevin

960
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 1: someone got the axe. I think we saw it coming

961
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: a mile away last year. Sure they go out. They

962
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: hired Jed Fish. He was quarterback coach for New England,

963
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, a assistant for the Rams before that, quarterback

964
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: coach and offensive coordinator position all over yeah, all over

965
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: the place before the Rams gig we talked about on

966
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: the show. It's unclear who all was involved in the

967
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: decision making here. Some may have wanted him while others didn't.

968
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: But nonetheless he's there, and the appeal thus far I

969
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: think is twofold. First Off, people love the guy. They

970
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: love him. They can't get enough of this guy. He's

971
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: going out there, he's shaking hands, he's kissing babies, he's

972
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 1: doing whatever he can to win people over. He's re

973
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: recruiting his own roster to prevent guys from transferring out.

974
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,839
Speaker 1: He's made good hires to fill out his staff, which

975
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: actually is my second point of appeal. Walk me through.

976
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: Offensive coordinator is Brennan Carroll. It's Pete Carroll's son. He

977
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: comes over from the Seahawks. He said he wants to

978
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: play with tempo. Arizona's used to playing with tempo, but

979
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: that this is going to be a pro style offense.

980
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: And then defensively, he brings over Don Brown from Michigan.

981
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: You remember him. I think that's a good value higher

982
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: Don Brown's going to which things back up to more

983
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: of a four man front, which I think could also

984
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: be beneficial for this time. So, especially on the offensive side,

985
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: I find it refreshing because after nine years now of

986
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 1: running the Rich Rod system and Kevin Summons system, I

987
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: don't know if Brandon Carroll's any good frankly, but to

988
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:32,800
Speaker 1: maybe pull it back a little bit and to settle

989
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: into something that's a little bit more balanced and not

990
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: all gas no breaks, which clearly has not worked for Arizona.

991
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's refreshing a lot of

992
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: unknowns here. Yeah, Well, I'm playing quarterback. Well, I'll get

993
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: to that, okay, But I think it's I think it's

994
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: refreshing to maybe just take a take a chill here. Okay.

995
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: Who's playing quarterback? I don't know. Could be Will Plumber.

996
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: It'll probably be Gunner Ruse who comes over from Wazoo.

997
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: It could be Jordan McCloud who comes over from USS. Yeah,

998
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: but I think the general philosophy is right, and we'll

999
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: see what they can do in the field. The over

1000
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: unders two and a half, and I might still go under.

1001
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: Find me three, find me three optimal. I can't great here.

1002
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: Here are three wins right here? You ready.

1003
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 2: Arizona Football neutral site against BYU. BYU overlooks Arizona. They

1004
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: have Utah week two on the road or no, excuse

1005
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 2: me at home Holy War. Arizona is immediately overlooked, and

1006
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: BYU loses to Arizona and then Northern Arizona and then

1007
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 2: some either calor Wazoo.

1008
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: I'm going under. I'm going under. They they play.

1009
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: Oh, they're at Colorado as well, but that's a tough sandwich.

1010
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: That's a letdown. Look ahead UCLI Walkington. Yeah, the number

1011
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: seven schedule in the country. So it's hard it's a

1012
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: real toughee at Oregon at USC home against Utah at

1013
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: Arizona State. Okay, so who do you have winning your

1014
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: your crush ASU? I go as South, Yeah, I go ASU.

1015
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: I think second is USC, followed by Utah. I'm gonna

1016
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: take USC over a SU. Okay, where's that game? I

1017
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: don't know if USC ASU game is at Arizona State.

1018
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: It is at ASU, but it's after Arizona for SC.

1019
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: It looks like so not a terrible lead in And yeah,

1020
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take USC to win the division. Another USC

1021
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,720
Speaker 2: Oregon championship game, and I'll take Oregon.

1022
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: Well, I think you can make a credible case for USC,

1023
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 1: for Arizona State and for Utah in the South, and

1024
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: if you're talking more broadly, appeal for the PAC twelve,

1025
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: appeal for the South. That's it. That's it. It is

1026
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: kind of a wide open conference across the board. And

1027
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that they came from a

1028
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: really odd spot last year, got playing their games late,

1029
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: very asymmetrical and lumpy in terms of who's playing how

1030
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: many games ASU played four, some others played seven. It'll

1031
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: be good to get that out there again. And there's

1032
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,959
Speaker 1: a lot of talent out west. A lot of talent

1033
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: out west. There are a number of interesting teams in

1034
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve.

1035
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 2: So disagree on a lot of talent out West, but

1036
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: I'm with you. There's a lot of interesting games to

1037
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: watch and teams to watch. But yeah, I don't know,

1038
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: it gets real thin, real quick after like three of

1039
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: these teams. All right, all right, you want to talk

1040
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: a Mountain West West.

1041
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: Talking about the mww oh my god, I love the

1042
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: Mountain West West. Okay, I haven't even decided who I

1043
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: have coming out. I'm having to talk it through with you.

1044
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: But so this is the Western side of things. Are

1045
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 1: the teams largely, if not everybody not at altitude like

1046
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: the mount West Mountain Hawaii, San Diego State, Nevada, Fresno State,

1047
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: un LV, San Jose State. You're defending champion, albeit there

1048
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 1: were no divisions last year, but San Jose State. Where

1049
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 1: would you like to start? Nevada? Let's go Nevada. Okay, Nevada.

1050
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: Last year they lost a winnable game early to Hawaii.

1051
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: They blew the San Jose State game in which they

1052
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: were up twenty to seven, but otherwise in a division

1053
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 2: without a lot of offensive pop they've got it. Romeo

1054
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: Dubbs is the name to know out wide. Carson Strong

1055
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: was the offensive player of the Year in the Mountain

1056
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 2: West last year.

1057
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: He threw almost.

1058
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 2: Thirty touchdowns in a condensed season. That's pretty good. That's

1059
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 2: something that's a good starting point. The defense was actually

1060
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 2: pretty decent. They were led by a good defensive line,

1061
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 2: and that hopefully because they return everybody, that hopefully goes

1062
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: a long long way. Because they begin this season at

1063
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: cal at Kansas State and at Boise State with a

1064
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: bye in Idaho State in there, so that those are

1065
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: three of their first four games. Are those three teams

1066
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 2: they're you know, they have they have good experience back

1067
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: on all three levels of the defense. It's a lot

1068
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: of those times when I don't necessarily have the questions

1069
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: about the offense and I'm just going to look to

1070
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: the defense, like what is the what is the weak

1071
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: link for a team like the wolf Pack in Nevada,

1072
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: And it's not that week a link, to be honest.

1073
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: The big thing with Nevada is their road splits are

1074
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: especially tough. As mentioned, that's where things get especially dicey

1075
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 2: is here. I have the Nevada schedule right now, and

1076
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 2: I'll go through it quickly. But aside from at kalat

1077
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 2: Kansas State, at Boise that they're also at Fresno at

1078
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: San Diego State. So they're they're getting some tough games.

1079
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: I mean that those are five ultimately losable games for

1080
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 2: a good Nevada team. So but they should still be

1081
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: incredibly fun with that passing attack.

1082
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: Romeo dubs a ninety three. Pretty good name right last year? Yeah,

1083
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: went over one thousand yards nine touchdowns. Will love that name. Yep.

1084
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: Where do you want to go next? Next? Let's go

1085
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: to San Diego State.

1086
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: By the way, Also in Norvel, I don't believe related

1087
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 2: to Mike, but in j Norvell and Matt Mummy, son

1088
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: of hal So, we wanted to go to San Diego State.

1089
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: And Brady Hope State. So the voice you need to

1090
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: do that it's not that good. So they were just

1091
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: an incredible half team last year, no team. They were

1092
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: number one nationally in forcing three and out. You know

1093
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: how I feel about that. That that's just like an

1094
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: emotional arrow to the heart just forcing three or going

1095
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: three and out all the time. So San Diego State

1096
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: was especially adept at that, just that the three three

1097
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: five just did its thing. It absolutely did its thing.

1098
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: But on the other side of the ball, the offense

1099
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: needs a lot on both sides, and there were some

1100
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: moments midway through the year, but injury interrupted those moments.

1101
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,959
Speaker 1: Just an average San Diego State offense, an average as

1102
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: Tech offense. As they build their new stadium and get

1103
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: people excited to join the Pac twelve, which is just

1104
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: something I'm making up, it gets them in contention for

1105
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: the conference when you have a defense that good that

1106
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 1: returns what they do on all three levels. They have

1107
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: Arizona and Utah in weeks two and three, and that's

1108
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: at Arizona and Utah. They lost to Colorado last year

1109
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: in the last minute game, but I mean Arizona is winnable,

1110
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: Utah probably not. They have a tough stretch this year

1111
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: of at San Jose State, at air Force Fresno, at

1112
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: Hawaii Nevada consecutively. But again, they play defense arguably better

1113
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: than any team does any one thing in the conference,

1114
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 1: which is an incredible starting point. So I have as

1115
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: Tech friends and I wish the best for them. So

1116
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: I think I think San Diego State has another nice year.

1117
01:01:55,560 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 1: What about San Jose State dan tough schedule tie. Yeah, tough,

1118
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: tough schedule they have.

1119
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 2: They're at USC early and the back half is broken

1120
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: up and they don't have Boise State. But they're in

1121
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: a fantastic spot in terms of what they you know,

1122
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: the defending champs, what they bring back. Nick Starkle, you

1123
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: may remember from I think both A and M and

1124
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 2: Arkansas had a nice year last year. The offensive line

1125
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 2: in front of him is intact. The receiving corp is

1126
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: a little bit new, but the defense is really what

1127
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 2: secretly I think drives this train. They finished thirteenth nationally

1128
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: in points per drive aloud and are especially stout up front.

1129
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 2: So you know how I feel about the Spartans in

1130
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 2: San Jose State, especially with the depths to which they

1131
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: fell and they were good with Mike McIntyre if you remember,

1132
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 2: was it David Fayle? Was that his name fails fail? Yeah,

1133
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm a San Jose State just believer and fan in

1134
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 2: the Spartans, especially given they are nearby California's best torta

1135
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: at Mexico Bakery, real.

1136
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: Name of the place. How old is the Starkle Putting

1137
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: over under a twenty two and a half with the

1138
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: same day feels a lot like a John Stocko Complex

1139
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: where he's been there since two thousand and eight.

1140
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 2: Nick starkele Age doesn't return much, but his first season

1141
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 2: in college football was twenty seventeen. Wow was a minute ago? Okay, okay,

1142
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 2: where should we go next?

1143
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: Why? Stock Rainbow Warriors.

1144
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 2: Hawaii one of the more interesting teams for sure in

1145
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 2: the Mountain West.

1146
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: So they have at they have games at UCLA, at

1147
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 1: Oregon State, and at Nevada. Nevada of course a conference matchup.

1148
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: Tough offense last year wasn't especially good, but they did

1149
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: have a Diy quarterback, which I can always appreciate when

1150
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 2: a guy kind of has to wally'szerbiak, the thing where

1151
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: he's just responsible for everything, Like wally'szerbiak was at Miami, Miami, Ohio, right,

1152
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 2: that's where he went. Yep, Okay, So Chavon Cordero, great

1153
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 2: name was up an okay, pretty good pass what ran

1154
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 2: the ball pretty well? Hawaii overall, which is better on

1155
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 2: the ground, which is strange, right to think about a

1156
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: Hawaii team given where they've been this past you know,

1157
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: fifteen years, at the best of their ability. The strength

1158
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: was the passing game, so better on the ground. The

1159
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 2: good news is they return a lot on defense, as

1160
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 2: most teams do, and they were especially good against the pass.

1161
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: Not that the conference is filled with incredible quarterbacks, but

1162
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: you know, guys like Nick Starkele, guys like Carson Strong,

1163
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: they will find it somewhat difficult to play against Hawaii.

1164
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: It's a good secondary, it's a good warrior secondary. So

1165
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: Hawaii is in a decent place, but they need more

1166
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: pop on offense, which again strange to say, but that's true.

1167
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 2: We got where are we going Fresno? And also I

1168
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: think Hawaii has seven road games, which is a brutal,

1169
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: brutal and the amount of flying that they're gonna have

1170
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:58,440
Speaker 2: to do Fresno State Klin de Borr I thought was

1171
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 2: a savvy hire once Jeff Tedford stepped down. Last year unexceptional.

1172
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: I think the highlight was the discovery and development of

1173
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: Jake Hayner at quarterback, the Washington transfer. Fresno beat the

1174
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 2: not so good teams on their schedule, and they lost

1175
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 2: to the better teams on their schedule, but Hayner did

1176
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: show promise. They got gashed way too often by bigger

1177
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 2: plays on defense, but otherwise the defense was in pretty

1178
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 2: good shape. Just a little bit leaky. So all of

1179
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 2: the underlying numbers with a small sample size about Fresno

1180
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: State point to quality. They're strong at receiver, but the

1181
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: problem with Jake Hayner is if he's going to continue develop,

1182
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: to develop, he has to stay up right. Offensive line

1183
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 2: was not at all good last year, so if they

1184
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: can get some protection, I mean, look, it's a not

1185
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 2: so good offensive line that opens the season with arguably

1186
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 2: the best edge rusher in football and cave On Thibadeau

1187
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: in Oregon on the road in Oudston Staium, it's not

1188
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: a nicety'll match up, and they also travel to Ucla.

1189
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 2: It's a backloaded schedule and the road split for sure

1190
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 2: is not good, not advantageous for Fresno. But all in all,

1191
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 2: with a develop and developing quarterback and a promising defense,

1192
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 2: they can win a bunch of games. They have novad

1193
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 2: at home and they have Boise at home. They do

1194
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 2: have San Jose State and San Diego State on the road,

1195
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 2: so it's it feels pretty balanced.

1196
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: Okay, where are we going from here? UNLV, let's close

1197
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: it out you and LV. It was they were not

1198
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: good last year.

1199
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 2: Marcus Royo's first year tough again, all head coaches in

1200
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty that were in their first seasons. It was

1201
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 2: it was just tough sledding. The good news for UNLV

1202
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 2: is here comes Tate Martel.

1203
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: Like that is not true.

1204
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: Tate Martel does have eligibility left and he is coming

1205
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: back home to Las Vegas and UNLV No. The good

1206
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: news is Marcus Arroyo has hit the transfer portal especially hard,

1207
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 2: and he's also recruited. All things considered, given the depths

1208
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 2: of where UNLV was and has been.

1209
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: He's recruited pretty well.

1210
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 2: This year, they have Arizona State on the road, a

1211
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: weird hosting of Iowa State, and the week after that

1212
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 2: they're at Fresnel. It should be another long year, but

1213
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 2: it should also be a proof of concept type year

1214
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 2: where they don't win zero games, if they can win

1215
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 2: two or three and be competitive and the sort of

1216
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 2: lose close before you win close era of the solid

1217
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 2: verbal conversation. Yeah, I think that's an impressive step forward.

1218
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: Impressive step forward. Hey, you know what's an impressive step forward.

1219
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,800
Speaker 1: We finished all the damn previews. Damn give yourself a week.

1220
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we did it. We sure, hold on,

1221
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: let me make sure. Let's go through. Let's just rifle at.

1222
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we forgot the We forgot Kevin. Okay,

1223
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: did we do the American? We did? We did.

1224
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: Did we do the ACC Yes, yeap, the Big twelve, yep,

1225
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 2: big ten.

1226
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: Yes.

1227
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:17,520
Speaker 2: Conference USA affirmed confirmed we did. We did every FBS independent.

1228
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 2: We didn't really spend that much time on UMass yukon

1229
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 2: New Mexico State, and that's their fault. We did the MAC.

1230
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 2: We just concluded the Mountain West and just concluded the

1231
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: PAC twelve, the SEC YEP, the Sun Belt. Of course,

1232
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 2: that's it. One hundred and twenty nine hundred and thirty teams.

1233
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 1: Ty did a bit too shabby. Whoa okay, well, we

1234
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 1: barely made fun of any coach's hair. I only yawned once.

1235
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: I believe it was during.

1236
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 2: The Colorado preview. I apologize. It has nothing to do

1237
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 2: with what Carl Drel is building in Boulder. How many

1238
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 2: of how many of the Mountain West West towns.

1239
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: Have you been to? None have been any of these places? No,

1240
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: you've been to Vega. I've been in Vegas. Yeah, that's right.

1241
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: You've never been to San Diego. Have been to San Diego?

1242
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 2: Actually, come on, that's a third of the West. Have

1243
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: you been to the Fresno State Bulldog campus or area.

1244
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 1: No, Presno's fine. I think I think people bash on

1245
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,759
Speaker 1: Fresno a little bit too much. It's fine. Central Valley's fine.

1246
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 1: Have you been to Reno? No, not fine.

1247
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that Reno is not great. San Jose No,

1248
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,839
Speaker 2: never made your way up to like the Silicon Valley area. Okay,

1249
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: So you've been to UNLV San Diego. And have you

1250
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:33,679
Speaker 2: been to Hawaii?

1251
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: I have been Hawaii, actually Honolulu specifically TI drove by

1252
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: the stadium, so we're.

1253
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 2: Honolulu, Vegas, San Diego. You've been to half of the

1254
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 2: mountain West.

1255
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 1: West, I suppose I have. Yeah. Have you been to Phoenix?

1256
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: I have been to Phoenix, Tucson, No, Boulder, No, La.

1257
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 2: You've been too, so that that knocks out us USC

1258
01:09:58,360 --> 01:09:59,759
Speaker 2: and UCLA, Salt Lake City.

1259
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: No, okay, man, we got to get you places out west.

1260
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: What is going on here? All right? Well, the West

1261
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 1: Coast tour at some point coming to what.

1262
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 2: Is appealing to you, Like if you look at mount

1263
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: the mountain and West Coast, what it's got to be mountains. So, yeah,

1264
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 2: I remember you took pictures when we were driving through

1265
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,520
Speaker 2: Phoenix because you were so just new to typography.

1266
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: I gotta be mountains.

1267
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: So do you want to do like a Colorado swing?

1268
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 2: Denver's great boulders.

1269
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 1: We're going to do an l a swing that didn't

1270
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 1: work out. I gonna do La Swing. Well, you've been

1271
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,760
Speaker 1: in La, been La. I mean Colorado would be fun,

1272
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: really good. Suck Colorado. It's a good time. Yeah. Yeah,

1273
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 1: Boulder would be fun. We've talked about that for eons.

1274
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 2: Do you like beer? There's beer breweries and such. All right,

1275
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 2: have some pizza at the Sink. That's the name of

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Speaker 2: the place in Boulder.

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Speaker 1: All right. Cool. I'm glad we did this, TI I

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Speaker 1: am too. Thank you one and all. Hopefully you had

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Speaker 1: a chance to listen to all of our previews. If not,

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Speaker 1: you can go on out to our website, solid verbal

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Speaker 1: dot com and hear more of them. Catch up on

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Speaker 1: all of them in time for week zero, Week one.

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Speaker 1: This thing is going to start cranking up before you

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Speaker 1: know it. We will be back next week to give

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Speaker 1: our national preview, and it's not going to be as

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Speaker 1: in depth. I think we've covered most of the in

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Speaker 1: depth stuff already. We're going to take some zoomed out

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Speaker 1: bigger picture looks at the college football landscape as a whole,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to draw some conclusions, draw some conclusions,

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Speaker 1: We're going to ask some questions. Again, we have some

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Speaker 1: other shows that we're excited to bring forth here into

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Speaker 1: the college football or baller sphere. But in due time

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Speaker 1: we will get to that.

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Speaker 2: Ty, I have a trivia question for you. Yeah, just

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Speaker 2: because I mentioned Boulder and I mentioned a pizza place

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Speaker 2: called the Sink. Okay, I'm looking at his awards. This

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Speaker 2: Academy Award winning actor and director in nineteen fifty five

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Speaker 2: was a janitor at the Sink. Would you like me

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Speaker 2: to start reading you his filmography?

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Speaker 1: Uh, nineteen fifty five, Robert de Niro, Oh, you were

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Speaker 1: actually like not that far off, don't know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you got the first name correct, Robert Duval.

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Speaker 1: Nope. He produced the movie Quiz Show.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I think he also directed it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: He did direct it in nineteen ninety four. He then

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Speaker 2: went on to direct The Horse Whisperer. He then went

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Speaker 2: on to direct the Legend of Bagger Vance Well Golf.

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Speaker 2: He then went on to direct Lions for Lambs. Before

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Speaker 2: Quiz Show, he directed a river runs through it.

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Speaker 1: I just keep thinking, Robert zamechis can't I'm blanking he is.

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Speaker 2: He is an all time classic twentieth century handsome actor.

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Speaker 1: H God, why can't I think of his name? He

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Speaker 1: played the Sundance Kid in Butch Cassidy on The Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Now I know, I know, Robert Redford. Robert Redford, look

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Speaker 1: at you going out with a bang.

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Speaker 2: Should just said the natural Ha'd have gotten it right away.

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Speaker 2: That would have been Yeah, that would have been too obvious.

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Speaker 2: That's why I didn't.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, good job, my brain is fried. Yep.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for downloading, for listening, for playing

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Speaker 1: along at home. We will be back next week. College

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Speaker 1: football is getting close. I hope m you can feel

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Speaker 1: it too, for that guy over there, my good friend

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hildebrandt. Catch you all pretty

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Speaker 1: soon the meantimes day so peace