1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Alas I'm plugging is Forgotten Seasons. 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody to Forgotten Seasons now a part of the 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: Showtime Basketball Family. I am Dylan Dreyfus, your host and 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: the creator of Forgotten Seasons. Same drill as always, We're 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: gonna be bringing on NBA legends each week to relive 6 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: one of their best seasons. Today, we got one of 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: my favorite players ever, the man himself, Jamal Crawford, gonna 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: be taking us back to twenty ten with the Atlanta Hawks, 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: his first season as a true sixth man. He says 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: it completely transformed his career. Be sure to check out 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 2: Forgotten Seasons on Instagram and Showtime Basketball on all social platforms. 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: We're gonna be bringing you guys the fire five days 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 2: a week with Forgotten Seasons. All the smoke KG certified 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: and what's burning. So definitely definitely tap in if you 15 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: have not already. Let's get into this one. Forgotten Seasons 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: with Jamal Crawford on the ten and Atlanta Hawks begins 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: right now. Jamal Crawford, thank you for joining. Welcome to 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: the Showtime Basketball family. Man, how are you doing. 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 3: I'm great, Thank you, thanks for having me. I'm excited 20 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 3: to get into this one for sure. 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty ten Hawks, It's going to be a good one. 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: As always, one team, one season, the beginning of an 23 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 2: era for you. Really, this is your first year is 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: becoming a true sixth man? Right, you think of this 25 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: team and just think of this period window in your life. 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 2: What's the feelings, And maybe the first thing that comes 27 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: to mind. 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: I was going to a winning team. I was going 29 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,320 Speaker 3: to a team that had been to the playoffs and 30 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 3: I hadn't been. And I was at a point in 31 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 3: my career I think I was in the year nine 32 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 3: or ten. I was going into year ten there and 33 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: I hadn't been to the playoffs, and I started get 34 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 3: the label of being known as a good player on 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: bad teams. 36 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I've always won, you know, ever 37 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: since I. 38 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 3: Was a kid, from childhood to middle school, to win 39 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 3: high school state championship to college. I didn't play long, 40 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: but we had a winning record I was playing, so 41 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: to check that label, I'm like, you know what, I know, 42 00:01:59,160 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 3: I'm want to go. 43 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: To the playoff this year. I have a great film 44 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: about it. 45 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: And also it was the change in the course of 46 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: my career of how it was going. It was pretty 47 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: much a starter up until that point, and that was 48 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: the first team that says you're going to come off 49 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: the bench, and I'm like, man, I know it's going 50 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 3: to be a little bit more unusual for me, but 51 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: I've been to that point. I'm like, you know what 52 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 3: it's all about winning. They've been to the playoffs. I 53 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 3: willing to do whatever it takes. And that kind of 54 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,279 Speaker 3: helped changes the course of my career. 55 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 4: No doubt. 56 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: And before we get into that that twenty ten season, 57 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 2: I want to touch on those first nine years of 58 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: your career. You mentioned no playoff appearances. You played for Chicago, 59 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 2: New York briefly Golden State. You played for eleven coaches 60 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 2: in nine years, and you mentioned it, and I read 61 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: about you, like everybody from my life just just says 62 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: that you're the ultimate competitor. Is what is the mental 63 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: like when you're going through the first nine years of 64 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: your career, you're never keeping the same coach from year 65 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: to year, and maybe those labels are starting to be 66 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: thrown on you, like what is that? 67 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 4: What does that do to a player? 68 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: It can break a player or for me in my case, 69 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: I'll try to use it to make a player I 70 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 3: feel like if I can get comfortable being uncomfortable right, 71 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: think about like this, if you were playing high school 72 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: basketball and you're a freshman, you're really good. You have 73 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: this coach you said you're will play a lot, play 74 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: a lot, you have success. Your sophomore year is a 75 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: different coach that comes in. He's like, well, now it 76 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: needs to be more of a set up guy, I 77 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 3: need to get guys the ball. Okay, I'll do that. 78 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: I'll try to master that, try to buy into what's 79 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: good for the team. Junior or another coach comes like, 80 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: you know what, I want you to come off the bench. 81 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 3: I want you to be a punch off the pinch right. 82 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: And then after that you're like, okay, I figured this 83 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: part out. Now your senior the coach is like, well, 84 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: we're going younger. We're not very good at this season, 85 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 3: so we need to be a leader and mentor for 86 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 3: the younger guys and just show them the right way 87 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: to do things. 88 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: And this is every single year. 89 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: I'm only had the same coach in my twenty years, 90 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: back to back years twice in two years, and in 91 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: twenty year career, your play a whole career. I had 92 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: Isaiah Thomas more than one season, and I had doctor 93 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 3: Rivers everything, and I've had coaches, So just an adjustment 94 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: and that's and to be honest with you, I think 95 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: that's my most proud. 96 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 4: Of, no doubt. 97 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I I know that your top twenty in 98 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: games played. I got to look at the stats and 99 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: see if if do you know, like have you played, 100 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: has anybody played for more coaches than you? 101 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 4: Because I'd like to I'd like to leave. 102 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: That's a great question. I think. 103 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: I think when I was at like seventeen, I think 104 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 3: myself and roster were close. Maybe I think twenty. 105 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: I may have it. Now you have to look that up. 106 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: So getting back into things two thousand and eight nine, 107 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: you're in Golden State briefly and then you get traded 108 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 2: to Atlanta in the offseason for Speedy Claxon an Ac Law. 109 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 2: Hawks definitely got a good deal on that one. But 110 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: like you mentioned, like the Hawks backcourt is set. They 111 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: have Mike Bibbie and Joe Johnson as the one and 112 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 2: two guard. You would started pretty much seventy percent of 113 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: your games to this point. You were not labeled as 114 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: a sixth man. You touched on it briefly, but like, 115 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 2: how does that initial conversation go down? Who is it 116 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: with when basically they tell you like, we're gonna need 117 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: you to come off the bench. 118 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: So interesting point. 119 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: Rick's son, who was kind of running the Hawks at 120 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: the time, lives in Seattle as well, you know, so 121 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: he came over my house after the trade went through 122 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 3: and he was like, you know, we have a good 123 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: team in place. You feel like you can be a 124 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: third guard. That's how you kind of layel the third guard. 125 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: You can back up Mike, you can back up Joe, 126 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: and you could be that punch off the bench that 127 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: we need, you know. And and to be honest with you, 128 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 3: to be very very honest, at that point, I don't 129 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: think he believed I would go average eighteen points be 130 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: the second leading to score on the team. 131 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 1: Right. 132 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: So going back, he was like, you could be that punch. 133 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: You can have third guard for us, play big minutes, played, 134 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: meaningful minutes, and people really a chance to see you. 135 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: In a different light. 136 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 3: I'm being on the part of a winning team, and 137 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm all for it. And I said it 138 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: and I meant it, and it felt kind of weird 139 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 3: when I knew I was on six minute going there, going. 140 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 1: Into like playing pickup. 141 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: I'm in Seattle, right, so I'm usually one of the 142 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 3: first players on the court. 143 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: I was like, now, I'm gonna wait. 144 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: Two or three games, you guys get going, because I 145 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: want to start to see the game when it started. 146 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: But I wasn't out there. 147 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 3: That's kind of how I tricked myself into trying to 148 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 3: at least. 149 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: Prepare myself to get ready to be a six man. 150 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: And uh yeah, that saw the first initial conversation when 151 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 3: he came to my house in Seattle and we talked 152 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: about it. 153 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot for you starts on the pickup 154 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:18,559 Speaker 4: court trying not moves. 155 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and six man. So you mentioned, right, you're going 156 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 2: to a winning team. The Hawks are coming off back 157 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: to back playoff appearances. They got Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, 158 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: Al Horford. When you got there and you were talking 159 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: to reporters about your first experiences, you always commended, like 160 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 2: the togetherness. 161 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 4: Of the team. 162 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 2: Who is the leader in that locker room? 163 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 3: Oh man, I would say Josh Smith was like a 164 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: more vocal leader, right. He was one of let's go, 165 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: we gotta go, we gotta pick it up. I would 166 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: say Josh was the lout leader. I would say Alan, 167 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 3: Marvel and Bibbie were quint of the quiet leaders day 168 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: to day stuff. If you need somebody to talk to, 169 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: you need to pay on the back, you know it's 170 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 3: gonna be all right. Always positive reinforcement. I think Joe 171 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 3: led more by example. He didn't talk a lot, but 172 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: he led more by example. He'll talk once you get uncomfortable. 173 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 3: But up until when I first went there, you saw 174 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: his work ethic, You saw how he was always a 175 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: pros pro kind of always doing his thing. And they 176 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: all led in different ways, but I think Josh was 177 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: probably the more vocal of everybody. 178 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 4: Shout out to Josh smith Man. 179 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to Josh smith for sure. So have 180 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 3: been an All Star too? Crazy? Yeah, Yeah, I think 181 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: Bibby too. 182 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: Him and Bibby are two of the probably the best 183 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: players that have never made an All Star game. So 184 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: getting more into their roster, I'm going to sort of 185 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 2: go down one by one, and I'd love if you 186 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: could just tell like one one phrase, word or story 187 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: that comes to mind when I when I say the player, 188 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: Let's start out with Joe Johnson, Uh, you know, the 189 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: the focal point of the offense, on the team. What 190 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: do you remember about io Joe from this time. 191 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: How good he was, how complete his game was, Like 192 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: obviously he was a focal point of offense, obviously the 193 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: average twenty plus points, but how unselfish he was, how 194 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: he had a workman like attitudes. You would never know 195 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: he was a star the way he carried himself. He 196 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: was sold low maintenance. Sometimes you even know if he 197 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 3: was in the room, you know what I mean. So 198 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: Joe was definitely a star in probably one of the 199 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: most underrated stars I've ever played with. 200 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he It's tough with Joe because he 201 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 2: was so consistent and he was so good. I almost 202 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: think like if he would be able to pair up 203 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: with another star like in that time of his life, 204 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 2: that they could have done a lot of damage. 205 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: But but he was just so consistent. 206 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 2: Moving on, Josh Smith at this time, like all around 207 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: defensive menace last twenty years, the only players that have 208 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 2: averaged two and a half blocks and one and a 209 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: half steals in a season are him, Ben Wallace, Carol Anko, 210 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 2: and Anthony Davis. So I don't think he realized, like 211 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 2: you know, he was a special player and ahead of 212 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: his time. 213 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: He absolutely was. 214 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: Multi dimensional, can do it all, great pass or underrated passer, 215 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: could really see the court, fiery, no backdown in him. 216 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 3: He was just he was a great player. Should have 217 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: made an All Star at least that was there two years. 218 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 3: I thought you should have made All Star both years 219 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 3: I was there. He was unbelievable part to the team. 220 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: Unbelievable piece of the team. Is someone who didn't get 221 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: the credit. I felt like nationally that he deserved because 222 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: he was a great all around. 223 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 4: Player, no doubt, no doubt. Mike Bibby. 224 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: Solid, super solid. Bibby always knew how to keep it 225 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 3: light like. He was never too serious, even though he 226 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: was a point guard. He's everything you could imagine from 227 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 3: a distance when I watched him and I was like, man, 228 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: he's solid, runs a pick and roll. He was the 229 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 3: first one that I played with it through the pocket 230 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: pass like that. 231 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: It was so consistent. 232 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: I kind of stole that from him, seeing his one 233 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: two jimble pull up, seeing how crafty he was, seeing 234 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 3: how I never seen him fluster, never seen him rush, 235 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: never seen him actually really upset, like he was just 236 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: always keeping the light and kept our team together. 237 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: I mean, he had been at some some massive games 238 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: before remember. 239 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: Lay against the Lakers. 240 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: Should have should have went to the finals and some 241 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: ship went down there. But shout out to baby. I 242 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 2: had him on the show like one of my first interviews. Like, 243 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: like you said, real solid keeps the light. I could 244 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: see how how that would be valuable just to have 245 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: out of your point guard. Next time I want to 246 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 2: talk about is actually the coach Mike Woodson. Uh he 247 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: gets fired after this season in Atlanta. 248 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 4: But yeah, every year in his. 249 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: Uh six years with the team, the wind total went up, 250 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: they went back down after he got fired. What was 251 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: what was playing underwood He like? I mean, you've got 252 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: a wide variety of people to compare him to, like 253 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 2: you were talking about, you got like twenty coaches, So 254 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 2: what was playing under Mike Woodson? 255 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: Like? Loved it? I absolutely loved it. 256 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 3: I remember the first game I came off the Bitch, 257 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: first official game playing the Pacers and I go one 258 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 3: for two. We end up winning the game, but I 259 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: have three points. I take two shots the whole game, 260 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: and so Joe is on me, you know, and he's like, man, 261 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: you gotta shoot one. 262 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: I need to score. I need you. But what's come 263 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: in my office? 264 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 3: He dropped me in his office right and he's like, 265 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: I need you to lead the league and scoring off 266 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 3: the bench. 267 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: He was like, just because you come off the bench 268 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mean not an important partly seam. I need you 269 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: to go fill it up. And hearing Joe said. 270 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: It was great. Obviously that's your best player. He's the 271 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 3: one you know you're out there with and you love 272 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 3: that confidence. But here your coach said, frees you mentally 273 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 3: because he's the one controlling the playing time, you know 274 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 3: what I mean. So he's the one saying, now go ahead, 275 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 3: you got the green light. And when he did that 276 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 3: empower me. I averaged eighteen the rest of the way 277 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: that season, made six man and has some All Star consideration. 278 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: But it's because of the coach Wilson. He played to 279 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: my strengths. He didn't, you know, say you can't do this, 280 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: I'm gonna hold it against you. Similar to Doc Rivers. 281 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: He was very, very and he was a scorer, you know, 282 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: so he understoods you to go through a streat where 283 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 3: you missed three, four or five shots. He didn't hope 284 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 3: that against you, and I I really enjoyed playing for him. 285 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: He's one of my most. 286 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 3: Underrated because I talked about Doc, I talked about Isaiah. 287 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 3: He's one of my most underrated coaches to ever played 288 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: for because he he played some matchups, he figured it out, 289 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 3: and he was a joy to play for. A funny 290 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 3: story about him, I don't think so. I walked past 291 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 3: his office one night and will was driving the rolls 292 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 3: worst at the time, like he was doing stuff you 293 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 3: didn't see coaches normally doing it. Yeah, I walked past 294 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 3: his office. When I peak in, it's like eight people 295 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 3: in there, and Kat Williams is standing up on a 296 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: chair telling the story, and everybody's around like a campfire. 297 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: Woods As officers cracking up, Like, man, what. 298 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 3: Coach has Kat Williams a comedian and here telling you 299 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 3: this cool by y'all story, which is crazy. 300 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, I've never told that, but yeah it was. 301 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: I love playing for Woody. 302 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 4: That's so important, man. 303 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: I don't think people realize like having a coach that 304 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: you can maybe relate to, and also that, like you know, 305 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 2: for a player like you also a scorer, like you 306 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: want to have confidence that if you miss three shots, 307 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: the coach isn't going to be looking to the end 308 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: of the bench, right. 309 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 3: Right, all right, because you're probably gonna miss four or 310 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: five if you think that he is going to do 311 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: that if you. 312 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: Miss right exactly. So you know, you mentioned like we 313 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 2: got Kat Williams, what was playing in Atlanta? Like it 314 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: sort of gets trapped like maybe not having the most 315 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 2: passionate fan base. You've obviously played for a ton of teams. 316 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: What was your experience just being a player in Atlanta? 317 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it because. 318 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: The fans that they didn't pack it out, but when 319 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 3: they did come, they were so supportive, right, and they 320 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: showed me a personally a lot of love because they 321 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: were already a good team and Joe being the best player, 322 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 3: he just got to it. 323 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: He didn't mess around. He got to it. Babe was solid. 324 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: Marvin Williams was solid, al solid. 325 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 3: Of course, Josh was I think the closest thing to 326 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: kind of having like a highlight reel player if they 327 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: had at the time. Then I brought a different wave 328 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 3: of that as well, you know what I mean. So 329 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 3: Josh is doing his stuff in the air, dunk and 330 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,719 Speaker 3: locking shots, like you said, being a defensive minutes, I'm 331 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: crossing over and shooting threes and not watching them go 332 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 3: in and doing types of stuff like that that the 333 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: fans really took to. 334 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: So I enjoyed playing. They showed me a lot of love. 335 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 2: You guys had a ton of game winners that season. 336 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember, you you hit one 337 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: against Phoenix. Uh, I think Josh had like two game 338 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: winning dunks. 339 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, winners right. 340 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: Always always, you know. Yeah, so you guys that that 341 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: was an exciting team. So to sort of zoom out 342 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: a little bit and look at the scope of the 343 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: East right now, I think that this is a really 344 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 2: interesting season in the league, particularly in the East because 345 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: if you remember, this is the year before Lebron goes 346 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: to Miami. Uh, We've got We've got Lebron in Cleveland 347 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: with Mo Williams and Jamison, we got the magic who 348 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: got your guys' number with Dwight and Vince, and we 349 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: got the Celtics still kicking with you know, their big 350 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: three if you could remember then, like, who did you 351 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: feel like was the best team in the East that year? 352 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: Because the Celtics ended up coming out Orlando got your 353 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: number and Lebron is there. 354 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt like the Celtics were they just they 355 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 3: just won a championship. 356 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 4: Right, and a yep, wait, yeah, yeah, yeah. 357 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, they just wanted championships they had together, and so 358 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: I feel like they were the best my first year 359 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 3: the if I'm not mistaken, I think they finished first, 360 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: but when they sucked at All Stars, they finished first 361 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: and we were like second or third, maybe we were 362 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: third behind Boston Orlando. And then I think at the 363 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 3: end of the season at the All Star break, because 364 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 3: I remember the Celtics got four All Stars, they got Rondo, Ray, Paul, 365 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: and KG, so I remember they were still really really good, 366 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 3: even though you know it's after the championship were but yeah, 367 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: I feel like they were the best. I feel like 368 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: Orlando was really good as well. For sure, those two 369 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: were the top, and that we're probably right where we're 370 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: supposed to be mm hmmmm. 371 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 2: And then just at the two guard position, obviously we 372 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: have d Wade and Kobe at the top. There, they 373 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: also had guys like yourself, Brandon, Roy, Monte, Ellis, Ray, 374 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: Allen Vince. Maybe aside from like Kobe and d Wade, 375 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: we know how tough they were, Like, who are some 376 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: of the guys that gave you trouble when you match 377 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: up against him? 378 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: Monte was really good. Obviously, Brandon Roy is really good. 379 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: You said those guys. Kevin Martin was still pretty good 380 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: at the times. I'm not mistaken. 381 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, shout out to Kevin Martin. I love it. He 382 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 4: was in Houston at this time. 383 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: Was hot. 384 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he was in Houston. 385 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: Okay, he got traded. 386 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 4: Sorry, he got traded from Sacramento to Houston to Houston. 387 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 3: This is when James Hard to start coming up as well. Yep, 388 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 3: like he was still younger. Okay, see, but he was good, man. 389 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: You got me put my thinking cap on. Ray Allen 390 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: obviously was still really good. 391 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: He made All Star and we had our guys Joe. 392 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: Joe was really really good at the time, right, So 393 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 3: he has some good guards out there at that time. 394 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, the two guard position. 395 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: Uh, it's not the same as it It isn't like now, 396 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: it isn't the same as it was. I think there's 397 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: coming up. But like two thousands tens, like. 398 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: It was crazy and. 399 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 4: You saw him every night. 400 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: So then going into the playoffs, you guys finish as 401 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 2: the three seed in the East, fifty three wins, the 402 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: number two offense in the league. First round, you get 403 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: the Milwaukee Bucks, led by their flashy dynamic rookie point Yeah, 404 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 2: mister tough crowd, what do you remember about that series? 405 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 2: Because you guys are down three to two, on the 406 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: brink of being upset, and right on the other side 407 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 2: is their rookie point guard really bringing it every night 408 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 2: and almost willing his team to an upset. 409 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 3: Well before even down through two. I remember one in 410 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 3: the first two. So we're up two, Oh yep, we 411 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 3: lose the next two, right, and so game five we 412 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 3: lose at home and Joe fouled out and uh either, yeah, 413 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 3: I believe you fouled out. 414 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: Well. 415 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 3: I know I was on the four kind of being 416 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: the main kind of creator, playmaker, and I felt so 417 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 3: dejected because I felt like I could of control that 418 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 3: that situation, being up three to go on the road, 419 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: give ourselves a couple of chances to do it. And 420 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: I didn't play well down the stretch and we didn't 421 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 3: get good shots. 422 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: And I remember sitting in. 423 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: The locker room for a long time after Game five, Right, 424 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: we're down two three, we got to go to Milwaukee, 425 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 3: where we hadn't won and the Hawks hadn't won a rod. 426 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: Playoff games forever. You can look that stat if I 427 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: remember that c yeah, I'm like, damn. And I remember 428 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: Scoop Jackson. 429 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 3: He wrote an article because I was kind of up 430 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: and down that series, and he said, this is what 431 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 3: Jamal Crawford was brought here for. I'm gonna find that 432 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: and send that to you. He's like, this is you know, 433 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 3: this is the time. And it challenged me. And I 434 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,159 Speaker 3: remember Game six, I scored twenty four, twenty three or 435 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 3: twenty four, but I let us to win, and they 436 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 3: thought Milwaukie thought they were gonna win. They had Jerry 437 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 3: Stackhouse singing the anthem. Game six, you had, you had 438 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 3: bog in the all white suit. They're like, it's over, 439 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,239 Speaker 3: We're gonna here. He got Scott Skiles. On the other end, 440 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 3: I played for we gonna win and shock them. They're shot. 441 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: That said, all I know we're winning games seven. I 442 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 3: think I led Game seven with twenty five. So Scoop 443 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: wrote an article that really resonated with me. I was like, 444 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 3: this is what I was brought here for those two 445 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 3: games I played, well, we won both. 446 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, you had twenty four Game six, twenty two in 447 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 2: game seven, But that's what I mean. People love to 448 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: talk about maybe the downfalls of the media, but there 449 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 2: are those, you know, great reporters, like a Scoop Jackson 450 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: who maybe can light a fire that that's really cool 451 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: to hear. So you guys sneak by in seven, you 452 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: avoid the upset, and then you got a Matt Fame. 453 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: It was rolling, rolling U. 454 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 2: They had just swept the Bobcats. They took three out 455 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: of four against you in the regular season. You played 456 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: Orlando eight times, including the playoffs, and lost by double 457 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 2: digits seven of those times. I mean you got Dwight, 458 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 2: Vince Jamiir our guy, Matt Barnes, what do you remember 459 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 2: from going up against that team? And just like, how 460 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 2: did you guys have no chance? 461 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: If I'm be honest, I low key knew it was 462 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: over before it started. 463 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 3: Wow, Like getting out of Milwaukee was like we did 464 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 3: that Dwight Orlando at the time where Juggernaut they were 465 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: put together, Well, you had him in the middle, you 466 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: had shooters all around him. So it's almost a picture 467 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 3: poison type thing. Do we allow Dwight to play straight 468 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: up and nobody can stop him, or do we double 469 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: team every single time he knows where's coming from and 470 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 3: hope that their shooters have an off week? Right, We 471 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 3: chose the double team that series, and their shoots did 472 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 3: not have an off week, and they beat us by 473 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: average twenty plus points, which was like the highest first 474 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 3: round margin per game. 475 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: It was just ridiculous. 476 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 3: But I know we're not talking about the follow up season. 477 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: But we did play them again the following season the playoffs. 478 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 3: We did play them straight up. We did the opposite. Yeah, 479 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 3: beat them, But yeah, they were juggernaut in twenty nine ten. 480 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: I felt like they had a legit shot to go 481 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: to the finals and win it because I felt like 482 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 3: they were just so well put together. 483 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 484 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 2: Well, I had Barnes on a few months ago to 485 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 2: talk about that season, and he always talks about it. 486 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: He puts it on Van Gundy on stage of Van Gundhi. 487 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,239 Speaker 2: He said, when they got to the Celtics series, they 488 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: switched up their entire offense. But I definitely look at 489 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: like those teams, the Magic Team this year and the 490 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 2: year before when they had Turk lou. 491 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: Uh, those are tough. 492 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 2: Those are definitely two of the best teams that that 493 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: that that didn't get it done and didn't make and 494 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 2: didn't win a championship. All right, so they got your number. 495 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 2: It might have been number, they got it, they got 496 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: your number. It might have might have been over before 497 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: it started. And then the aftermath of that, like you said, you, guys, 498 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 2: you have one more year in Atlanta, another second round 499 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: exit and then correct me if I'm wrong, But Atlanta 500 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: didn't have any really cap space. They had committed a 501 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: ton of money to like Joe Johnson some of the 502 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 2: other guys. Uh, and then you sign a one plus 503 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: one in Portland and ended up declining the player option. 504 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 4: It's crazy, like you had. 505 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: Been in the league so many times, but but you said, 506 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 2: like you'd signed so many one year deals in the 507 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 2: previous years, like you owed it to your family to 508 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: try and get like a long term deal. How did 509 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: that whole free agency situation shake out? Obviously you end 510 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 2: up in LA I read that you were also talking 511 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: to like the Pacers, the Celtics, the Heat. 512 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 4: What was that decision process? Like? 513 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 3: For me, it was about fit at that time, because 514 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 3: the first year in Atlanta was a magical year, right 515 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 3: the year we're talking about the second year. I was 516 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 3: upset going into the season because I knew that they 517 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 3: didn't have cap space and I knew they weren't going 518 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 3: to do anything. But More importantly, I knew that the 519 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 3: lockout was coming yep, and everybody was like, this dreadful lockout. 520 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 3: It's gonna be like football contracts. It's gonna be crazy. 521 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 3: You want to have a deal in place before this happens, 522 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 3: so when it's over, what you're doing just continues on 523 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 3: because the contracts are being totally different. So I'm like, 524 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I'm putting pressure in Atlanta. Hey, maybe 525 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 3: you should move me before this happens. They didn't do it. 526 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm upset. 527 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 3: So my numbers were down the second year, but my 528 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: playoffs were actually better. It's just you go back and look, 529 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: it's crazy, but my my numbers are down. I'm not 530 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: really into it. I'm like, why don't they just move me? 531 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 3: If you want me this bad to sign me. I 532 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 3: don't want this lockout. Think it's coming. So I get 533 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 3: out of Atlanta. I go to Portland. I signed really 534 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 3: really late. I think like a week before the season starts, 535 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 3: maybe less than that. 536 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: We go to Portland. It's not really a great fit. 537 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 3: I played a little bit more point guard and I 538 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 3: thought I would, and it wasn't like a point guard 539 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: like you see. 540 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: Now you can still go score and do your thing. 541 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 3: It was like more of a traditional role that he 542 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 3: kind of looked for me, and it didn't really fit 543 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:27,880 Speaker 3: the time. 544 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: No disrespect to anybody, and then. 545 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, so people are looking at the 546 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 3: end of my Atlanta season, which was a down year. 547 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: Now looking at Portland it's another down year. I'm like, 548 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: this next place has to be the perfect fit or 549 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 3: else they're gonna start looking like I'm on the b 550 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: side of what I'm doing. I know I can still 551 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: do it right. So I went into that LA Clippers 552 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 3: season on a mission. I worked out even more. I 553 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 3: was locked in even more. I talked to Chris Blake 554 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 3: and DJ and Johnson was guys early about want me. 555 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 3: They were the first team actually calling that free agency. 556 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: They were looking at me and ray Aalen, and so 557 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 3: ray Allen had a meeting schedule I believe on like 558 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 3: a Saturday, right and I got in there like a Wednesday. 559 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 3: They're like, hey, well, if you commit, we'll cancel on 560 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: the relitan situation. So I committed I think the next 561 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 3: step or maybe that that night, and then they canceled 562 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 3: ray Al and ray Allen goes to Miami after that, 563 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: So I. 564 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 4: Have you were talking to Miami too though, right. 565 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was talking to Miami, Indiana the Clippers, So. 566 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 4: We were talking to Celtics. 567 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit Celtics too, Yeah, a little bit. 568 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 4: That's a crazy what if? Maybe maybe you're the one 569 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 4: that gets that pass from Bosh? 570 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: Right, so maybe I'm in Miami, he's in LA. That's 571 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 3: a crazy like switcher. Yeah, that's a crazy twitch. 572 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: Well, like I talked about the beginning, Like the reason 573 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: that I was so excited to talk to you about 574 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: this year is because it's like the complete beginning of an. 575 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 4: Era for you. 576 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 577 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 2: I mean, in like ten years, you put together a 578 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 2: resume that is probably the best sixth man resume of 579 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: all time. You and lou Will are the only players 580 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: to win it three times. But it's crazy how events unfold, right, 581 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: Like the first ten years of your career, you're seeing 582 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 2: labels of is this a winning player? And then the 583 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 2: situation flips and you're the whole arc and storyline of 584 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: your of your career changes. When you like put all 585 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 2: that into perspective, like what goes through your mind, like realizing, man, 586 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 2: like that one decision to really embrace that sixth man 587 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: role change changes the next ten years of my career. 588 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 3: It changes not only it changed so many different things, right, 589 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 3: and so there's layers to it. It changed the course 590 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 3: of my career. It probably allowed me to play longer 591 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 3: und right, it viewed me differently because now I'm not 592 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 3: looking at it's a score that's uh. 593 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: Not value in the winning teams. 594 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: Now look at this piece almost kind of how Manu 595 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: was looked at with the Spurs, like as far as 596 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: being that punch right. And so now I'm looking at this, 597 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 3: I can be a contributor, a high level contributor on 598 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 3: the winning team. Now, people in my community, I go 599 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: to camps all the time, people like I didn't want 600 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 3: to be a six minutes I saw you. I'm like, 601 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: that's crazy because that wasn't even like the scope. When 602 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 3: I'm looking at it, right, I'm like, I'm trying to 603 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 3: figure out how I can show I have value being 604 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 3: a good player on a good team and being confident 605 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 3: enough for my skills that I can start or coming 606 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: off the bench, whatever. And so all these different layers 607 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 3: who knew that they would play out this way, that 608 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: I'd be mentioned whether I'm the best or not, I 609 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 3: don't know. 610 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I would never say that because I have. 611 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: Too much respect for people that came before me, Kevin 612 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 3: Mchal's Della strengths, right, like Ricky Pierce Microwave, like so 613 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 3: many other people that did it before me. But to 614 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 3: be in the conversation right the last ten years, it's 615 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: like unbelievable, and it's that was not to go at all. 616 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean that's probably the best, like you said, ten 617 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: year run. 618 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 3: Besides getting a championship with it, right, Like, so it's crazy. 619 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 2: It's almost like like I really do think that you 620 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: changed the whole stigma of a sixth man. Like maybe 621 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: before that it was like maybe he's not good enough 622 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: to come off the bend right or to start excuse me, 623 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 2: But now it's like you look at all these teams 624 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 2: and they purposely don't start players so they can play 625 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 2: in that second unit. Now you have like sixth man 626 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 2: lines being dropped in rap songs like really rock with. 627 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 4: Like this is crazy, it's crazy. It's crazy. 628 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 2: So, just like a few quick hitter questions before we go, 629 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: I want to I want to quickly ask you about 630 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: Seattle Man. When do you think that that team is 631 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: coming back and if they do come back, would you 632 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 2: want a role, and if so, what type of role? 633 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 2: I feel like you might want to play for them 634 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 2: if it comes comes back. 635 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: I think I think it's more realistic now that it 636 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 3: comes back than ever before, like ten years ago, like oh, 637 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 3: in five years to five years, we kept saying that, 638 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 3: kept hearing it, but getting the hockey. 639 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: Scene here I think was instrumental. 640 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 3: It's set in the tone of how we move forward, 641 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: seeing the fan base, seeing the arena change the different things. 642 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: I think we definitely get a back in the next 643 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: five ye for sure. 644 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 3: And I would love to be in the front office 645 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 3: putting teams together. I don't think anybody's invested in the city, 646 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 3: in the community, uh, seeing players, knowing the NBA landscape, 647 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 3: knowing how teams work, be in those locker rooms, seeing 648 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: different organizations because not only different coaches, I got a 649 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 3: chance to see how different organizations operate and how they 650 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: move as well, and how they connect people and connect 651 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 3: their community and connect everybody as one. So I would 652 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 3: definitely rather be a higher up in that position. 653 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: If that's dope, Yeah, I know you do so much 654 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: for the community. You got the crossover prom there that 655 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 2: that gets live and it's just it's criminal that there's 656 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 2: no team in Seattle, Like, yeah, I think of it, 657 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: like you listed maybe five cities in the country that 658 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: are true hotbeds for basketball, like Seattle is one hundred 659 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: percent In that conversation to Jontay Murray, Michael Porter, Isaiah Thomas, 660 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: like the list can go on, so. 661 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: Zach Lavine, Kevin Porter, Brandon Roy. It's so many. It's crazy. 662 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like selfishly, I think if they 663 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: did an expansion, like can you imagine how crazy that 664 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: would be in the media? 665 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 4: What what? 666 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: What? 667 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 4: What players? Is this team going to teach? 668 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:00,239 Speaker 1: Keep? 669 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: This team isn't keeping this player? Like I think it 670 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 2: would just be I think, like I need that. It'd 671 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 2: be a frenzy. It would be a frenzy, all right. 672 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 4: J C. 673 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you coming on anything that you have. 674 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 2: Anything you want to plug real quickly. I know you 675 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: got a ton of like charitable endeavors. Any anything you 676 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: want to plug. 677 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: Only be unplugged is forgotten. 678 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: Season I was checking it out, like just on ig 679 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 3: and checking out all this time. 680 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, damn it. 681 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,479 Speaker 3: Like the information that you go and how deep you 682 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 3: dive it brings back memories for players for fans. It 683 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: sheds a light on teams that definitely should get mentioned 684 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: a lot more, you know, especially in social media. The 685 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: way things are now, things happen fast, everything's going. But 686 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 3: Forgotten Season is really really dope. So I was just 687 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 3: excited to work with you on this before I even 688 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 3: knew exactly that it was you i'd be working with 689 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: because I was a fan of Forgotten Season. 690 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: So keep going, That's what it's all about, man. I mean, like, 691 00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 2: I truly appreciate that. And you mentioned so many guys 692 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: in this interview, like Kevin Martin Montelis. Those guys are 693 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: dope and they deserve you know, especially the younger generation. 694 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 4: Like I think it teaches people. 695 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: And so many people are just like talking these days 696 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: on Twitter and arguing about basketball, but they don't even 697 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: know anything about the history. 698 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 4: So those words truly mean a lot, and I appreciate that. 699 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 3: Man, no doubt, Dyla. Keep all check it out, y'all. 700 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 2: All right, we'll have to bring you back maybe some 701 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 2: time later. Jamal will be a part of Showtime Basketball, 702 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: so definitely keep your eye out for stuff involving him. 703 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 4: Be well, man, stay safe. I appreciate you as well. 704 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: Thanks Dale Appreciation