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Speaker 1: John Schmulck, who's always joined by Tony Pauline from sports

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Speaker 1: key to dot com. As we are now when this

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Speaker 1: post about two weeks until the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: Tony Pauline, how are you man? We're in the stretch.

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Speaker 2: Run here, can't get here fast enough? I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: we literally you have the craziness of the Shrine Ball

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Speaker 2: and the Senior Ball, right and it's it's non stop

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Speaker 2: go and a little bit of time off or time off,

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Speaker 2: you're watching a lot of film, doing a lot of

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Speaker 2: scattering reports, and then it's from the combine on through

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Speaker 2: the month month of March. It's just insane. And now

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Speaker 2: it's waiting. I mean, Phil Matha, the running back from Clemson,

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Speaker 2: had his individual forte because he was injured, and he

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Speaker 2: did well with I believe next week you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: Jalen Walker. Mickel Williams. Michael Williams of George is supposed

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Speaker 2: to work out Cameron Williams, the big offensive lineman from Texas,

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Speaker 2: is gonna try and get a workout in. So Benjamin

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just got announced Ashley the twenty first. It

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Speaker 1: looks like so the Monday before the draft.

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Speaker 3: All right, So he had that hip injury and you know.

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Speaker 2: We'll wait and see it and then the draft is upon us.

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Speaker 2: The twenty first is the day after Easter for those

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Speaker 2: of us who celebrate the other at LA and I

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Speaker 2: know that they were trying to I spoke with their

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Speaker 2: The two guys are just mentioned, as well as Cameron Williams.

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Speaker 1: We are alive from the Hackensack and Meridian Health podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: Keep getting Better. Today we're gonna do a little more

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Speaker 1: news because we had the Colorido pore dlay last week.

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Speaker 1: We'll touch on that quickly, and then we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: our top tens on defense. Last week we did offense,

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Speaker 1: this week, we will do defense. I tried to get

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Speaker 1: safety positions, which those are the guys I always do last.

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Speaker 1: And glad to get Tony's top tens. And we'll debate

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Speaker 1: back and forth on some of these guys. But Tony.

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Speaker 1: Colorado's pro day was the last week. They called it

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Speaker 1: the showcase for shud Or Sanders, Travis Hunter, who didn't

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Speaker 2: Well, the big takeaway was, you know, with Travis Hunter

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Speaker 2: You know, was that a message that hey, I want

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Speaker 2: just a matter of circumstance Because Colorado has three other

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Speaker 2: swiped up quickly as a priority free agent. So what,

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Speaker 3: That's something that they emphasize that.

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Speaker 2: In fact, that's the first position drill that they do

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think I moved the needle either way.

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Speaker 1: When you talk to agents, Tony and scouts and stuff

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Speaker 1: Yeah, watching him, I had him somewhere between, like just

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Speaker 1: All right, so you already get to our defensive top

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Speaker 3: Tone, Let's do it all right.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it all right. As mentioned we did our

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Speaker 3: Well, let's start.

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Speaker 2: I wrote tradition rather than have defensive tackles defensive ends,

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Speaker 1: All right, So let's do it. What's your top ten?

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Speaker 2: Number one b Mason Graham, who is going to be

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Speaker 2: Sanders of South Carolina, Alfred Collins of Texas and Ty

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Speaker 1: All right, I think that's a really good list there.

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Speaker 1: And then just outside your top ten, we'll get to

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Speaker 1: as well. All right. Mason Graham of One Tony is

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Speaker 1: a really good football player. Grant, we've talked about really big.

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Speaker 1: then your other first round pick is Walter Nolan. Why

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Speaker 2: Maybe not a pure pass rusher, but we talked about

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Speaker 2: Williams helped himself as much, if not more than any

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Speaker 2: Well, because I think Turner was a better player. I

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Speaker 1: All right, Tony, Then the last two guys on your

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's sixteen players, Tony, you have with rounds

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Speaker 1: one through three grades of defensive tackle. That's a ridiculous number.

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Speaker 2: Eventually, I mean some of them will probably fall into

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Speaker 2: I mean deal Walker. You know, for all of that

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Speaker 2: was not forceful, he didn't play up the expectations. We

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Speaker 1: Hey, look and then, I mean there's a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Alfred Collins is your big run stuffer that if you're

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Speaker 1: then you have guys like Jamori Caldwell Tony He's not

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Speaker 2: You know a lot of people look at Jordan Phillips

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I think one hundred percent, right, Tony. I

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Speaker 1: he's three to fifteen A lot of times he's up

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Speaker 1: Where do you think he's gonna fit in for teams?

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Speaker 1: Where do they want to use him as a four

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Speaker 2: In fact, I talked to Ashton j a Lot briefly

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Speaker 1: Right, we didn't talk about Landon Jackson, so we should

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Speaker 1: do that now. He is the seventh player on your board. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Tony at the combine him as you watch him on tape.

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Speaker 2: Show himself to be a great edge rusher at Arkansas,

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Speaker 2: But as you said, he was a three down defensive end.

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Speaker 2: Six six, two hundred and sixty four pounds ran a

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Speaker 2: all over the field, high character guy, someone you want

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. Anything else in the defense of

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think we've talked about Rodgers. You

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Speaker 3: You know, we were both there.

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Speaker 2: Grant that it's not a great time these days, but

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Speaker 2: So he's a guy that's sneaky that is going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and where do you have Ty Hamilton? Tony, he's

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Speaker 3: I think he's a smaller guy. I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: He's quick, he's explosive, but he's a smaller guy. He

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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you on that all right again. I

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, and some of them are eventually

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Speaker 1: Now I'm with you on that, all right. For the

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Speaker 1: Give me your ten, Tony, what do you got?

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Speaker 2: I got Abdul Carter obviously from Penn Sate gonna be

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00:19:55,160 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 2: a top three pick. Mike kel Williams of Georgia. Lot tremendous,

433
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 2: this amount of upside. Jaylen Walker of Georgia one of

434
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 2: my favorites. I'll get back to him. Then, James Pierce

435
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 2: at Tennessee, Michael Greene of Marshall, Nick Scourton of Texas

436
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,239
Speaker 2: A and m Then Shamar Stewart. We'll talk about that

437
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,440
Speaker 2: for a while. J T two Meloa femi Ola Dayju

438
00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 2: ahead of Donovan as a rock gup of Boston College,

439
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,240
Speaker 2: which I know is going to freak some people out.

440
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 2: Jordan Burch of Oregon, then Kyle Canard of South Carolina.

441
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna give you my ten, and it's very similar.

442
00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 1: Just the guys are a little bit at order. And

443
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 1: we should note that like Green, scoured in, Stewart, even

444
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,439
Speaker 1: Pierce to an extent, are all fairly close together on

445
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 1: your rankings. There's not a whole lot of separation. Oh yes,

446
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: Pierce is a little bit higher than the other three.

447
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 1: So my group, I have Carter one. I got Jillan

448
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 1: Walker number two. I got Michael Williams number three, so

449
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 1: or top three in slightly different order, but the same.

450
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 1: I have Mike Green as my fourth guy. I have

451
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,119
Speaker 1: Stewart as my fifth, as Irakuho is my sixth, Pierce

452
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: is my seventh. I have Landon Jackson my edge category,

453
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: so I have him next. Then I have Nick Scarton,

454
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 1: Prince will Juman Mealen, and then I have Kyle Canard.

455
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,120
Speaker 1: And then you get into the Oldadejo's, the Tua Maylows,

456
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 1: the Sawyers. It's just another deep group, Tony. And again,

457
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 1: I think if you're picking at the bottom end of

458
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 1: the first round. Here top of the second round, you're

459
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: gonna have a very good edge player available to you.

460
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: I think you know.

461
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 2: I wrote an article about this sports ski to how

462
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 2: many edge rushers you're gonna go in the first round.

463
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 2: It depends on when that first guy in that second group, right,

464
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 2: the first group is Abdull Carter, Mikel Williams, Jaylen Walker.

465
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,959
Speaker 2: When that player is selected, do the Bengals take an

466
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: edge rusher at seventeen?

467
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: Well, real quick, real quick, those first three guys you mentioned, Carter, Walker,

468
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 1: william let's start there real fast. Do you think all

469
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: few of those guys are like top ten top twelve players.

470
00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 2: I think Carter and Mikel william are top ten players.

471
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 2: The guy to watch is Jalen Walker. I mean he's

472
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 2: six foot one to one. I love him as a player.

473
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 2: I mean, go back to what you said about Landon Jackson.

474
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 2: He's not the biggest guy in the world. A lot

475
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 2: of teams have him on their linebacker board. But that's

476
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 2: the in my opinion, that's the beauty of Jalen Walker.

477
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,479
Speaker 2: He can rush the pastor you can use him in space,

478
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 2: you can use him in pursuit. That's why I like

479
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: Jalen Walker. But the fact that he's six' to, one you,

480
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: know he's got a funky type of body has kind

481
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 2: of downgraded him on some team's. Boards BUT i expect

482
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: him to be a big time player On. Sunday where

483
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: does he? GO i don't know that he's going to

484
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: go top. Ten, obviously you got to look At. Carolina

485
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 2: do they Take Jalen? Walker did he take Mckkil. Williams

486
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: if he doesn't go top, ten he'll go top?

487
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 3: Fifteen?

488
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: Good all? Right so now once those three are, gone

489
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: you were, saying the key is when the next guy goes, right,

490
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,160
Speaker 1: Right but if.

491
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 2: The bengals who have the seventeen pick taken edge, rusher

492
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: you could cut see a lot of edge rushers quickly

493
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 2: come off the. BOARD i, mean you look at for

494
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: the last five picks in the round. One you Got

495
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: kansas The eagles who go edge. Rusher you Got Kansas

496
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 2: city you go edge. Rusher you Got washington who's very

497
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,360
Speaker 2: likely to go ahead. Rusher you got The ravens who

498
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 2: go ahead. Rusher and then teams from in between seventeen

499
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 2: and those last five, picks so you could get a

500
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: lot of edge rushers going and maybe some guys my

501
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 2: Board scourton be first round picks who you, know you,

502
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 2: know kind of like on the edge of first round.

503
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 2: Picks some people like Ezid, rok who is the first.

504
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 2: Round there's some people think he's more of a second

505
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: round he could go first. Round and then, again the

506
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 2: wild card is Probably Shamar. STEWART i, mean where does he.

507
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: GO i know some teams that have him as a

508
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 2: top fifteen. Pick others are, like, listen you, know great,

509
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: athlete but you know there's too much risk. There we're

510
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: really we wouldn't consider taking him into late in the first.

511
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: Round, Yeah, TONY i went back and forth on this

512
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: order last. Night in this, MORNING i kept like moving

513
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: a guy a point, here a point, there to get

514
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 1: my order right and get the feel. Well WHEN i

515
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: was all, said THEN i only had. FOUR i had

516
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: four first round, picks four first round. GRADES i should

517
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 1: say it's the same four you, had EXCEPT i Had

518
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: green in For. Pierce in terms of, THAT i really

519
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: Like green's. TAPE i think he's physical against the one,

520
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: two AND i know there's off the field. STUFF i

521
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: don't know anything about, that SO i can't take that

522
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: into consideration when WHEN i grade these, guys and THEN

523
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: i kind of have three of those borderline first second

524
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: round Guys, Stuart, aserako And. Pierce then ironically we've like

525
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: switched a year ago, TODAY i was like going nuts

526
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: About Nick scwardon and now you have him higher on

527
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: your board THAT. I i. Think my worry with Him

528
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: tony is the wild weight. Fluctuations that's a worry for.

529
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: Me we never saw him, Test so for a guy

530
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: that had some questions with weight and never seeing him

531
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: test and there was just too many questions for me

532
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 1: to keep him as a potential first round, PICK i

533
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: had to push him down a little.

534
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: BIT a couple things on that number, One remember he

535
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: was a good. Player he was an outstanding player. Perdue

536
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: OH i thought his tape was better than his tape this.

537
00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: Year.

538
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 2: OKAY i am asked about that two hundred and eighty

539
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: pounds and they said That TEXAS a AND n had

540
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 2: him up at two hundred eighty pounds and that's not

541
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 2: his playing. Weight they were basically forcing him to play

542
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 2: heavier than he should have been. Playing and WHEN i

543
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: asked what is his natural playing, weight they said probably

544
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 2: somewhere around two sixty five to two hundred and seventy.

545
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: Pounds, YEAH i THINK i asked them at the, Podium.

546
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: TONY i have to check my notes at the. COMBINE

547
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: i think he told me to sixty five.

548
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: Right and closer to to sixty. Five SO i understand

549
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: the concern about the. Weight the reason that was given

550
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 2: to me was it was more of A TEXAS a

551
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 2: AND m thing Than Nick scouerton going to all you

552
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: can eat buffets and just balluting up to two hundred

553
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: and eighty pounds when when he shouldn't have. Been u and,

554
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: again and by the, way let me just say. This

555
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: you know you, say, well that's a cheap. Excuse, well,

556
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: no go back to WHAT i said About Jamar. TURNER i,

557
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 2: mean At TEXAS a AND, M Jamart turner really shouldn't

558
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 2: have been on the field the first month of the

559
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: season because of the stress rapture in a.

560
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: Shin so it leads.

561
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: Me to believe, That, YEAH i, Mean TEXAS a AND

562
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: m had him get to two hundred and eighty, pounds

563
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: which was fifteen pounds heavier than he should have.

564
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: Been And i'll Throw Shamar stewart In. Tony he was

565
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: listed at like two eighty on their team website, too

566
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: and then he weighs in at to sixty something when

567
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: we ended up seeing him at the at The Senior

568
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: bowl and The. Combine so that's another guy WHO i

569
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 1: imagine they probably had play heavier than what his natural weight.

570
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 3: WAS i mean the issues With Shamar.

571
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 2: Stewart obviously you're not gonna AND i agree with, you

572
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be its.

573
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 3: Weight it's gonna be you, KNOW i wasn't saying it. Was.

574
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 3: Yeah is the production or the lack of?

575
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: Production and are you going to be able to turn

576
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: This olympic type type athlete into a football a three

577
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 2: down football player who can rush the, passer who can

578
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: make a lot of plays behind the line of, scrimmage

579
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: or As i've mentioned and written about multiple, times are

580
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 2: you getting the Next Vernon gulston which is a major.

581
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 1: Concern so you have two mail out on your, List,

582
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: tony he is number for eight on your edge rusher. List?

583
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: Right why him that? High but Not Jack?

584
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: Sawyer because number, one he's a better. Athlete he's got

585
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: he's a little bit. Bigger he's also he's six and

586
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 2: sixty five. Pounds he probably can get up to two seventy.

587
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: FIVE i think he's more, explosive BUT i think there's

588
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: there was a lack of consistency.

589
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 3: THERE i MEAN.

590
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 2: Jt twomloa a year ago we're talking about him is

591
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 2: potentially a late first round. PICK i don't think he

592
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: elevated his. GAME i think he played well during the

593
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: college football players as Did Jack, sawyer so you, know

594
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: when the lights were on and bazillions of people were,

595
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: watching both of those guys played really. WELL i just

596
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: think he's a better. Athlete he's got better growth. POTENTIAL

597
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: i think he's slightly more explosive and more sudden Than

598
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: Jack sawyer is Where sawyer is more of your more

599
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: of your, workman type of lunch pell type of. Whyman

600
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: that is a decent pass. Rusher you can put him

601
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: on the. Inside you know what you're getting from. HIM

602
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: i like the upside of to maloa better.

603
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: All right, Now. TONY i have not put my final

604
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: grade On Olomi oladejo, Yet AND i love your. BRAVERY

605
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: i love the boldness of it because we talked about it.

606
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: Together we loved him coming out of The Senior. BOWL

607
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: i have to finish my tape study on. Him when

608
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: all a said and done would have shocked. Me IF

609
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: i had him higher Than Kyle canard And prince hu Montme,

610
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: island it would not shock me at. All SO i

611
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: look forward to finishing that tape work this. Week but

612
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: what was it about we talked about The Senior. Bowl

613
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: what was it about what you saw on tape when

614
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: you went back and WATCHED ucla that made you, say,

615
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: LOOK i need that guy in my top.

616
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: Ten, well it was a variety of. Things number one,

617
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: six three and a, half two indred and sixty round

618
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: pounds runs of four to sixty five former inside linebacker

619
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: that really did took well to an edge rusher the

620
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: only year he played as an edge rusher standing up

621
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: over offensive tackle as we saw at The Senior. Bowl

622
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: was moved inside a couple of times and really beat

623
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: centers and beat offensive guards and those one on. Ones

624
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: also the athleticism to get out into space and make

625
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: plays to play backed off the line of.

626
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 3: Scrimmage love the, UPSIDE i love the.

627
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: ATHLETICISM i love the fact that he really only did

628
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: it one year as an edge, Rusher whereas as a

629
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: rocker was a really good air, dresser but for a

630
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: couple of, years so he's still learning the. Position AND

631
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: i got to spend a lot of time one on

632
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: one With femi old days you AT, ucla and he's

633
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 2: just a, likable interesting. Guy i've mentioned this a couple of.

634
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: TIMES i was out to dinner with him one time

635
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: and we're leaving the restaurant because he needed right back

636
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: to the player's, hotel and he would stop and talk

637
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: to everybody that he interviewed with over the course of

638
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: the prior to, days a practicer on the field or

639
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: did the me he would go up to them AND i,

640
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: said you, know that ability to be that observant is

641
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: just something that is really really. KEY i, mean he

642
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: went to cal so you, know he's got to be

643
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: a really pretty smart. Guy so that ability to just

644
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: be that observant tells me that he is going to

645
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: be able to absorb a potentially complex defensive game plan

646
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: if a defensive coordinator wants to put in front of.

647
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: Him As iraku as the final guy Ten tony AND

648
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: i have As iraku as the six guy on my,

649
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: list BUT i don't think there's really that much SEPARATING

650
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: i have like an really end of the first, round

651
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: beginning of the second round grade on. Him you have

652
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: a second round grade on him in your, thing SO

653
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: i don't think there's much distance separating. Them for, ME

654
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: i don't see the first round Pick. TONY i don't

655
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: think at that, size If i'm gonna pick you in

656
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: the first, round you better be a lights out. ATHLETE

657
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: i think he's a good, athlete maybe in a very good,

658
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: athlete but he's not like a lights out. Athlete SO

659
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: i think he's a really good variety of pass rush.

660
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: MOVES i think he's physical and he tries hard against the.

661
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: Run AND i originally had a pure second round grade

662
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: on him. Too we pushed it up for. ME i

663
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: had a chance to talk to him for about seven

664
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: minutes or so at The Senior, bowl and, LIKE i

665
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: could see that guy running gold been sacks one. Day

666
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: he is such just like a, smart put together, guy

667
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: and he was so. IMPRESSIVE i kind of bumped him

668
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: up a little bit of a half grade for.

669
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: Me and he also ran a GREAT i mean the

670
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: forty in the pre draft, ross but he ran a

671
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: great three code and he ran a good shorts. Shot

672
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 2: so you, know and you and that is prevalent on

673
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: film in the sense that you, know you Know he's

674
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: not just an up the field. Guy he can get

675
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: out laterally and make plays in. PURSUIT i love him

676
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: as a college football player the, film and, remember here's a.

677
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: Guy you may not know, this but as A rockery

678
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: was given late round grades coming into the. Season he

679
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: was not projected as a top forty five, pick which.

680
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: He's going to.

681
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: Be BUT i, mean six two and a half two

682
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: hundred and forty five, pounds how much weight can he

683
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: can he? Carry how is he going to hold up

684
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: against the run as opposed to Say oladaiju who's six

685
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: three and a half two hundred and sixty one, Pounds

686
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: and as we saw at the senior ball when he

687
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: was moved inside to go up against some of those

688
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: interior offensive linemens in the one on one he beat

689
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 2: the bigger guys on the inside he.

690
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: Did and then right. Outside but also with second round, Grades,

691
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: tony You Jordan, birch someone we've talked, ABOUT i think

692
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: for is this the thirty year we're talking About Jordan.

693
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: BIRCH i think said he's gonna come. Out and Then Kyle,

694
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: canard who was the not just THE sec defensive play

695
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: of the, year he was the college FOOTBALL. Bronckw Nogirski

696
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: award winner for Like Defensive player of The year in college.

697
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: Football And i'm not sure you're going to get a

698
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: dynamic pass rusher with, him but you're gonna get a,

699
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: really really good football. Player.

700
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah but, again you, know you compare him to as

701
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: a rock Who he's sixty four two and fifty four

702
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: pounds ran a four to seventh, three which is faster

703
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: than people expect that he. Was he was assumed to

704
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: be a four to eight. Guy runs a four to seventh,

705
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: three so it's fast some people. EXPECTED i, Mean Jordan

706
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: birch has got top twenty, measurables top twenty computer, numbers

707
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: six to four and a half two and seventy nine,

708
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: pounds ran a four to sixty seven at the. Combine

709
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 2: you'll lead up to the draft plays to those. Measurables

710
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,959
Speaker 2: but he's up and. Down he's very, streaky he's been.

711
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: Injured he'll make flash plays and then he. Disappears SO i,

712
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: mean if you Get Jordan birch in round two where

713
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: he's gonna, go you coach him, up he stays, healthy

714
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: and you get him to play to his, potential you've

715
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: got a first round pass rusher In day.

716
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 1: Two, yeah and then you know round three you got

717
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: guys Like josiah or a round four guys Like Josiah

718
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: stewart who's a really good. Player so it's just it's

719
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: just a really really you, know we Mentioned sawyer out

720
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: Of Ohio. STATE i think edge might even be deeper

721
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: than defensive Tackle. Tony but those two positions are going

722
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: to absolutely dominate the first three four rounds of this.

723
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: Draft and you.

724
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: Know edge rusher could dominate the bottom half of round.

725
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: One AS i, said the keep an eye on In

726
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 2: cincinnati BECAUSE i think that's the area where the one may.

727
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: Start if it doesn't start With, cincinnati there's gonna be

728
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: some real good pass rushers left over at the top

729
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: Of day.

730
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: Two all, right, now let's get to the off. Ball

731
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: Linebacker Tony Jiha campbell leads the. Way not a. Surprise

732
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: you don't have a true first round great on. Him

733
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: he's borderline for, you really good. PLAYER i know he

734
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: has a late injury, right a shoulder thing that came

735
00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: up with, him, right If i'm not, mistaken six to

736
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: two thirty. Five he's built like a, tank like you,

737
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: know they line up all the linebackers to talk at the,

738
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: combine and he just looked like a guy that played

739
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: a different position than a lot of these other. Guys

740
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: but you have. Him had One Carson sweessinger at HIS

741
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: ucla who was a walk on at number. Two great,

742
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: Story Danny stutsman out Of. Oklahoma you Have Kyle canard

743
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: as a crossover, Here Barrett carter out Of, clemson someone

744
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: we talked about a lot on last year's show heading

745
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: into the, Draft Demetrius, knight someone who had a really

746
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: nice senior. Ball Jeffrey boss also had a really nice

747
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: senior bought Of, Oregon Cody simon out Of Ohio, state

748
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: who we've talked about a bunch uh and Then Nick

749
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: martin out Of Oklahoma, state And Kobe, king brother of

750
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: The Klan king out Of Penn state with a fourth round.

751
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: Grade but this is this is not the best off

752
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: ball linebacker. Class.

753
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: No and it's because it's a it's a position or

754
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: an area that's been. DIMINISHED i mean most of you

755
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: Are You're Jalen, walkers You're Nolan smith's of the. World

756
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: they're used or used as pass. Rushers You're Abdul carter's

757
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: of the, world or used as pass. Rushers remember you go.

758
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: Back he watched twenty twenty three film even twenty twenty twenty.

759
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 2: Two Abdul carter was more of a traditional linebacker At

760
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: Penn state and he did a great. Job but they

761
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 2: moved him up at defensive end last year and he's

762
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: going to be a top three. Pick so it's not

763
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 2: the greatest class because it's been marginalized on the college,

764
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: level which carries over to THE. Nfl. NOW i, Mean

765
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: Jihad campbell is great in, space goes sideline to. Sideline

766
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: people think he's going to be or a kid develop

767
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: and to a great pass. Rusher, GREAT i don't care about,

768
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 2: That BUT i see a guy who can play three

769
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: downs on third and eight to cover tight ends or

770
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: running backs on third and, two the stack against the

771
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: run where he can get outside the box and make

772
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: plays in. Pursuit Carson schwesschinger is a guy who's coming

773
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 2: off a tremendous. CAMPAIGN i mean is his production went

774
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: through the roof last. Year and, again Like Jahad, campbell

775
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: he's very. Athletic he makes a lot of plays sideline to.

776
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: Sideline he covers a tremendous amount of area on the,

777
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: field six two and a half two hundred forty two,

778
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 2: pounds had a Good pro. Day he had an Individual

779
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 2: Pro day WHICH i recorded about about a week Ago april,

780
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: second so it's just about a week. Ago didn't run the,

781
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: forty but everything else was really. NICE i think the

782
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: thing With swettinger is it's a bit of a gamble

783
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: in the sense that he's only really done it for

784
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: one year he was on THE ucla. Team but he's

785
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: more of a special teamer and a rotational, guy excuse,

786
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: me rather than a starting the starting Linebacker Danny, STUTSMAN

787
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: i think a guy that's kind of gotten lost in

788
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: the shelfle here was a real good player At oklahoma

789
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: for three. Years more of a run, defender but can

790
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: also cover the. Pass he doesn't do it as, well

791
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 2: so you're looking more as an inside linebacker and a

792
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: three Four Barrett carter Of clemson your traditional week side

793
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: linebacker when we had traditional week side. Linebackers you, know

794
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: your four to three week side linebacker that you're using,

795
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: coverage you use in. Pursuit smaller guy six foot two

796
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: ndred thirty one, pounds runs and plays to a four

797
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: or five. FIVE i Think Barreck carter a lot of

798
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 2: people expected more from him this. Season people thought when

799
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 2: he went back To clemson after the twenty twenty three,

800
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: campaign it's potentially a first round.

801
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 3: PICK i don't think it.

802
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: Happened didn't happen to a lot of Those clemson guys

803
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: that kind of fell Off Dmetrious knight is the guy

804
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: that's the, flavor is the flavor of the. Month right,

805
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: now as you hear my dog going crazy in the,

806
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: BACKGROUND i, Apologize.

807
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: Tony he total he loves The Metrious. NIGHT i Understand

808
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 1: i'm pumped up, too or.

809
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 2: He's, not or she is not too happy about What

810
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: i'm saying about The Barreck. Carter BUT i Mean Demetrius

811
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 2: night six one and a half twenty forty five pounds

812
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: four or five eight plays faster than that, plays which is.

813
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: The violence in this.

814
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 2: GAME i mean he's a guy who you, know looks

815
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: to take on and attack, opponents whether it's stacking against

816
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: the run of the box or getting out to the.

817
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: SIDELINES i mean he looks for physical, contact no.

818
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: Question jeffrey Boss as they converted. Safety correct If i'm not,

819
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: Mistaken so we can move really, well really smart player,

820
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: Too and THEN i want to go down at your

821
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: list of the, post you Have Jack kaiser at. Thirteen

822
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: it's funny coming into The Senior, bowl he was one

823
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: of The Notre dame guys despite the fact there's season

824
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: in long playing The Senior bowl, anyway AND i was

825
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: expecting this like big stiff guy that couldn't. Move he

826
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: was actually really good in space and in coveras at

827
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: The Senior. Bowl he's AN. Ic talk to him for

828
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: about ten. Minutes he's a really smart. GUY i Think

829
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: Jack kaiser could be a LOG i know he's, small

830
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: only six one two, thirty BUT i think he's going

831
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: to be a good football player if you get him

832
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: in the right.

833
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 2: Spot more, ATHLETIC i believe than people give him credit.

834
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: For you mentioned the.

835
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: Instincts don't know if he's a three down a traditional

836
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 2: three down, player but a guy that's going to make

837
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: a lot of plays On. Sunday the one GUY i

838
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: didn't talk. About you talk about small. Linebackers Cody simon

839
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: out Of Ohio state six with two nine, pounds ran

840
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: in the four to sixes at his PRO. Da you,

841
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: know you talk about all, That we've talked, about all

842
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: that outstanding talent on The Ohio state. Defense we talked

843
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: about the frontline. Players you Got Caleb, downs the safety

844
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: who's going to be a very early. Pick when you

845
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: watch the when you watch The Ohio state, film It's Cody.

846
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: Simon make him play after play after play against the

847
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: run in. COVERAGE i think he's going to be a,

848
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 2: day a late day to steal that is quickly going

849
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: to find his way onto AN nfl roster and be

850
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 2: a productive. STARTER i like.

851
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,960
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Speaker 1: there right now in the financial, World, Tony So moodies

856
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: might be a good place to go to get a

857
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: little help with that sort of. Thing so there you.

858
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: Go that though things have been better today as far

859
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: AS i can, tell i'ven't looked at the old numbers

860
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: in the last couple of, hours but they look better

861
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: this morning for. Sure all, right let's go to let's

862
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: go to quarterback here to.

863
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: Listen you didn't sell you didn't. Lose so that's.

864
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: That's that, is that is if you're there for the long,

865
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: term sticking it with the long, term, baby exactly, right

866
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: and and just don't look daily because you're gonna drive yourself,

867
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: nuts all. Right quarterback, Here Will johnson number one for,

868
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: You Johnny baron number, two chavone revel AND i believe

869
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 1: it's like it's like this. IS i think it's. SAVONE

870
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: i don't think there's an eighth in. THERE i think

871
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: it's pronounced just savone revel. AS i figured some of

872
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: these guys, Out Maxwell harriston number, Four Trey amos number.

873
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: Five this is very similar to my list, Here tony

874
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 1: Of Benjamin morrison number, six as Are A thomas number,

875
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: Seven Jacob parrish, Eight Kobe bryant out Of kansas, nine

876
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: and Then Dorian strong at number ten out Of Virginia.

877
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: Tech i'll give you my list really. QUICKLY i Have

878
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: hunter as a corner, here SO i Have hunter as,

879
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: One baron, Two Will johnson, Three revel, Four trey almost,

880
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: Five Maxwell harriston, six as Are A thomas, Seven Benjamin morris.

881
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: Asn eight just because the, injury and THEN i have

882
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: A Jacob parrish And Darian porter round out my top.

883
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: TEN a lot of love For porter in the scouting.

884
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: Community i'll tell you right, now he's down on my,

885
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: List but Teams i've talked to have him as a

886
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: Potential day two. PICK i mean six, three two hundred

887
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: and ten pounds ran the four ran what a four

888
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: to three to zero at the. Combine so he's got

889
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: the physical, skills there's no doubt about. It but he

890
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: needs a lot of work on his. Game where do

891
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 2: you take a guy like? That some teams could take

892
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: him in the third round because of the. UPSIDE i,

893
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: MEAN i.

894
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: Good grade on him. Myself that's WHAT i have on,

895
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: HIM a.

896
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 3: Three it's the overall it's not a strong cornerback. CLASS i,

897
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: mean there's a lot of.

898
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: Questions Will johnson is my number one, cornerback but it's

899
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: more based on the strength of what he should in

900
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three than his play in twenty twenty, four

901
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: where he was suffering with a turf toe. Injury his

902
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: play was up and, out gave up a lot of

903
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: underneath receptions. Again new defensive coordinator there In Wink, martindale

904
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 2: Guy giant fans are very familiar. With you, know was

905
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: it the.

906
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: Scheme was it the? System he wasn't playing, press he

907
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: was playing backed off the line of. Scrimmage was the

908
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 3: injury bothering?

909
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: HIM i Think Will johnson before the season, started we're

910
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: talking about as a top, ten potential top eight. Pick

911
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: he's fallen off. Significantly John day Barn is he a slot?

912
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 2: Guy is he a nickel? Guy is he an outside?

913
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: CORNERBACK i like him better Outside. TONY i thought his

914
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: outside tape was better than a slot, tape to be

915
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: honest with, YOU i really.

916
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: Did and the fact is, this you look at most depth,

917
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 2: charts nickel backs are starters, NOW i mean they start three.

918
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: Cornerbacks so And John Day. Baron he's, feisty he's, aggressive

919
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: he doesn't lack for. Confidence he rebounds well from, mistakes

920
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: which is what you want at the cornerback. Position and

921
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: his game is on the. Upswing Shannon, Revel Shavon. RAVEL

922
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: i apologize Whom He's, carolina however you pronounce. IT i

923
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: mean a guy who probably could have competed to be

924
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: the top cornerback in this year's, class, absolutely were it

925
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: not for a knee injury he suffered in. PRACTICE i

926
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 2: mean six two one hundred and ninety four pounds projected

927
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: to run under four to four and in my, opinion

928
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 2: showed a lot of progress early in the twenty twenty four,

929
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: season where in twenty twenty three he was doing a

930
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: lot of. FACEGUARDING i saw a guy who was getting

931
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: his head back around and tracking the pass in the.

932
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: Air but the injury is going to send him back

933
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: because obviously you don't know when he's going to be

934
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: one hundred, percent and it slowed his. Development, well a

935
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: lot of teams Like Maxwell, HARSHTON i mean that four

936
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: to two to eight that he ran at the. Combine

937
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: he's a lot Like john day barn and that he's

938
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 2: a feisty. Guy he likes to mix it, up he

939
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: rebounds quickly from, mistakes a little bit. Unpolished Trey, Amos

940
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: i'd like the progress that he showed in his game last.

941
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: Season went From louisiana to a part time player At

942
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: alabama to a guy who was a starter consistently last

943
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 2: year At mississippi and see to get better and. Better

944
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: then you Have Benjamin morrison and as A Ray thomas

945
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 2: A Florida State Benjamin, MORRISON i have a second round

946
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: great on. Him most teams view him right now as

947
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: a late second, rounder similar situation To Ben, johnson although

948
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 2: it's magnified some because his his injury is a bit more.

949
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 2: Severe Azuae thomas a guy who had a real good,

950
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: season had a Standing Senior ball and then ran four

951
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 2: or five eight at the during his pro day. Workout

952
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 2: he plays faster than, that but, STILL i mean four

953
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: or five. Eight you have to decide where you're going

954
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: to draft a player like. That are you gonna have

955
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: to put him in a scheme that protects him or

956
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 2: are you comfortable with him in man and press coverage

957
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: and man the man coverage even though he's Shown stopwatch

958
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: wise not to have the great.

959
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: Speed, YEAH i Think i'll just say one thing About Azaree,

960
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: Thomas tony he doesn't have great speed, EITHER i, Think

961
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: and it's weird because you think press man you need

962
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: to be really. FAST i don't like his side to

963
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: side Quicks. Thomas like we saw him try to Guard

964
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: Test johnson at The Senior bowl and it was and

965
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: it was a. DISASTER i, mean he just got. Destroyed

966
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: AND i worry about him in space against quicker. GUYS

967
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: i think he's really. Good he's, Big, strong he's got

968
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: he's got good, arms he can, press he can get people.

969
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: OFF i think that's if you want to be effective

970
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: With Azarrey. THOMAS i think you have to be a press.

971
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: Team yeah, YEAH i mean not too many people were

972
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: able to Cover Test johnson at the you know the other,

973
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: guy you know a similar situation Is Kobe, bryant who

974
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: we saw at The Shrine ball where he ate tremendous

975
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: for two days of. Practice he wouldn't shut. Up he

976
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: let everybody know when he made a good. Play but you,

977
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 2: know barely broke four or five, five and then lead

978
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: up to the to the draft and at the combine

979
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: at The pro. Day and he's a bit of a slimmer.

980
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: GUY i don't want to say smaller slimmer, guy six,

981
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: foot one hundred and eighty. Pounds when we saw, him you,

982
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: know he looks like a slimmer. Guy is he presses

983
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: his Own is he backed off the line of? Scrimmage

984
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 2: is He nicholas he the outside? Guy is he a

985
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: mix of all of? THEM i do think that the

986
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: Sleepers i'm concerned Is Dorian strong From Virginia, tech six to,

987
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 2: one one hundred and eighty five, pounds ran in the

988
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: high four to fours at the. COMBINE i think he's

989
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: got a lot of. UPSIDE I i think people are

990
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: sleeping on. Him it may take some. Time With Dorian,

991
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: strong he may not be a starter in twenty twenty,

992
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: five BUT i think he's going to be a real

993
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: good corner down the. Road same thing With Zaia Alexander

994
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: lsu a lot Like thomason says that he does have

995
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: great forty, speed but he's a real good player transferred

996
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 2: FROM i believe With Southeastern. LOUISIANA i may need to

997
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: be checked on, that but a guy that showed a

998
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: lot of ability last year playing for THE Lsu.

999
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 3: Tigers all, right.

1000
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: Final, Position, tony let's go to. Safety you Have nick

1001
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: mnoire as your number one, safety so DO. I you

1002
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: Have Malachi starks as your number two Guys Xavier wats

1003
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: as your. THIRD i actually have those two guys. SWAPPED

1004
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: i have some issues With. STARKS i want to talk

1005
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: to you. About Maybe i'm missing, something BUT i want

1006
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: to have that. Conversation andrew mccuba number four for you

1007
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: watched by the way in mccuba along With Billy bowman AND. Rj,

1008
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: mickens who are next all third round grades for. You Lathan,

1009
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: Ransom Kevin Winston, junior WHO i think might be the

1010
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: best run support safety in this.

1011
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 3: Draft.

1012
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: Tony my, GOSH i watched his twenty twenty three tap

1013
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: against the. Run it is. Fantastic oh my, god he's

1014
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: a great. Tackler Malachi moore and Then Jonas sanker And Dante.

1015
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: Trader so not a great safety class, Here, Tony, no

1016
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: go back To Kevin.

1017
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: Winston watch the early. FILM i think it was The

1018
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: West virginia. GAME i, mean you see. Explosion you see

1019
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: a guy who crazes his physical. Contact he fires up

1020
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: the field and throws his shoulder pads into the. Pile

1021
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,479
Speaker 2: the thing is he had that, injury only played two

1022
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: games last. Season the ball skills are very rough around the.

1023
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 1: Edges and by the, Way, tony he only had one

1024
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: year starting before this year. Too he didn't really start

1025
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: as a, freshman so he only is one year of starting.

1026
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 2: So and the ball skills are very rough around the,

1027
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: edges so he's a bit. Limited where you Do where

1028
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 2: do you draft a guy like? That i'll tell you,

1029
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: THIS a lot of teams Like Jonas. SANKER i have

1030
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: him down my list in the fifth. ROUND a lot

1031
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: of teams have him as A day two. Pick tested

1032
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: very well To, combine played well to The Senior. Bowl

1033
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: we saw him at The Senia, bowl made some really nice,

1034
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: plays good, size six foot a half six foot one half,

1035
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 2: inch two hundred and six. POUNDS i have him later.

1036
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: On teams have him more so In day. Three you

1037
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 2: know you started at the. Top Mmin, OWARI i, mean

1038
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 2: had a great workout at The, combine ran four three.

1039
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 2: Eight really didn't do much testing after, that even at

1040
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: The Pro, day but was a good player At South

1041
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: carolina for two.

1042
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: YEARS i believe he had like four.

1043
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: Interceptions he is not A Schamar stewart type in the

1044
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 2: sense that he's a great athlete who doesn't have the

1045
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: production on the.

1046
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 3: Field em And awari has that. Production he's got at that.

1047
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: Size Unlike Kevin, WINSTON i don't think is a great run.

1048
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: DEFENDER i almost think he's better running in space and

1049
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: coverage at two hundred and twenty pounds Than, starks's which is.

1050
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 2: Weird, well that could also just be the system as,

1051
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: well because you know he's a and those interceptions were

1052
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 2: not opportunistic. Inceptions they were the result of good ball

1053
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: Skills and the thing with M andwari the four to,

1054
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: three it's not just straight line. Speed he's fast out

1055
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: to the, sidelines he is fast laterally a little bit

1056
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: hesitating with the balls in the. Air but the thing

1057
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 2: is that two hundred and twenty. Pounds can you play

1058
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: him over the slot? Receiver is he a strong? Safety you?

1059
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 2: Know is he just a much faster version Than Kyle,

1060
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: hamilton who's turned out to be a real good.

1061
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 3: Player, uh you, know where are you going to use?

1062
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: Him that's gonna be your.

1063
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 2: Concerns Malachi, starks you said you've got some concerns about

1064
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: him laya mombie, Brother.

1065
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: YEAH i got. You so for a guy that's his,

1066
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: size not the biggest guy, right just six one. SEVEN

1067
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: i was expecting somebody a lot twitch. Here, LIKE i

1068
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: don't think the speeds are. PROBLEM i think four or

1069
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 1: five is. FINE i didn't see speed as an issue with.

1070
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: HIM i think when you line them up in a

1071
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: slot against, receivers he he was not, Good like he

1072
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: is not very good covering in the. Slot he had

1073
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: a couple of bad miss tackles on. Tape but, actually

1074
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 1: do you think he's actually a pretty good tackle? Overall

1075
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: i'm not worried about. NECESSARILY i do you think he's

1076
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: a smart. PLAYER i like him going, DOWNHILL i don't

1077
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: like him going like changing direction and stuff like. That

1078
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: and coverage you when you're people have made The Brian

1079
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: branch comparison with. HIM i Think Brian branch is a

1080
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: far better coverage player Than.

1081
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: Starks's, yeah and some people Had Brian branch because of

1082
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: the size listened as a. Cornerback if you remember the

1083
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: year leading up to his, draft you KNOW i would

1084
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: agree with. YOU i still Think starks is going to

1085
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: be a darn good free, safety darn a real good

1086
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 2: center field that.

1087
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: Keeps yet and by the, way you have a one

1088
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: to two on, HIM i have a second round grade on,

1089
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: Him so there's not that much different. THERE i just

1090
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: have him to really Like Xavier. WATTS i was expecting

1091
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: not to like. Him where quarterbacks are just making bad

1092
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: throws are going right to. Him there were a couple

1093
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: of those on. Tape but he really drives on the ball,

1094
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: well even his pass, breakups like he gets his arm

1095
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: around these receivers to knock the ball. AWAY i just

1096
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: think he does a great job locating and attacking the.

1097
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 3: Ball stouter Than, starks probably not as, FAST i.

1098
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: Think you, know on A No dame defense that didn't

1099
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: have great, talent you talked About kaiser before you, know

1100
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: they had guys up front into r J oben And

1101
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 2: Riley mills And Howard cross WHO i think overachieved got

1102
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 2: the most from their. ABILITY i thought he was really

1103
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 2: the straw that stirred to, drink you, know the skill

1104
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 2: of term in a sense that he was there each

1105
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: and every. Weekend we saw it through the college football,

1106
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: players very. CONSISTENT i don't know what kind of upside he,

1107
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 2: has but that's okay because you're gonna get a guy

1108
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 2: who could potentially produce early on as AN nfl.

1109
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: Rookie.

1110
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: YEAH i see both him And starks as guys that

1111
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: are going to be better playing playing deep than than

1112
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: playing close to the line of. Scrimmage and, then the

1113
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: only GUY i want to throw out that you have

1114
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,399
Speaker 1: him at five on your list, Here, tony and, look

1115
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: he's only five, ten one ninety. Two Billy bowman is

1116
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: a hell of a football. Player he can, cover he

1117
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: knows how to locate the, football he's smart and LOOK

1118
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: i stood next to him at the. Combine he is,

1119
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: small like he. Is he looks like a slot, corner

1120
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: that's what he looks. Like but that dude can play. Football,

1121
00:51:58,680 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: man he is a good football.

1122
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 2: Player the irony IS nfl teams were not real happy

1123
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: with the twenty twenty four. Film in, fact he ended

1124
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 2: the season with lower grades and then he came into the.

1125
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: Season but the fact is, THIS i agree with you

1126
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: as a sideline to sideline center, fielder as a guy

1127
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: that's got excellent. Range it's a guy who tracks the

1128
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 2: pass in the. Air not the biggest, safety but we've

1129
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 2: seen Small you Mentioned Brian, branch guys who are smaller

1130
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: safeties who are very productive On, sunday AND i Think

1131
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: bowman fills that.

1132
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: Hole all, Right, tony in, conclusion, here just give me

1133
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: your basic rundown of what we just talked. About what

1134
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 1: does this defensive class in the twenty twenty FIVE nfl

1135
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: draft look?

1136
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: Like if you're looking for a guy in the defensive,

1137
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: backfield you, know it's a roll of the. Dice your

1138
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: front line, players your interior defensive, linemen your edge. RUSHERS

1139
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: a lot of talent there quality as well as. Quantity

1140
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: so that's the place to. BE i do like some

1141
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: of the linebackers although you're off ball linebackers although they're.

1142
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 3: Limited SO i think the deeper this in the defense you.

1143
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: Get you, know when you go from first to, second

1144
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: second to third, level the more risk there.

1145
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: Is who are your favorite guys up front that you

1146
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: think people a little bit too?

1147
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 2: Sleepy Ond, WELL i mean all of the e femio

1148
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: of the day's you as spoken, about keep an eye on.

1149
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: HIM i think a linebacker that people aren't talking about

1150
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 2: Is Dumis johnson Of kentucky by way Of, georgia who

1151
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: a lot of people aren't speaking. About he's more of a,

1152
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: stouter punching the mouth type of a. Linebacker i'm a

1153
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: big fan Of Nick, martin a little bit, smaller five

1154
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 2: to eleven and a. Half but you want to talk

1155
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: about a guy that goes sideline to the sideline and

1156
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: a guy that plays much bigger than his listed, SIZE

1157
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: i mean he's someone who plays lights. Out Carson brunner Of,

1158
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 2: washington who's probably gonna be an Early day three. Pick

1159
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: smaller guy six twenty seven, pounds but read down linebacker

1160
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: that can play in, space pursues well against the, run

1161
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: can cover in certain. Situations and a guy who gets

1162
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: the most from his. ABILITY i Mentioned Zi alexander OF,

1163
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 2: lsu who's going to be A day three.

1164
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 3: Pick if you're looking for a.

1165
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: Safety Dante trader probably gonna be a fifth round. Pick

1166
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: not the greatest athlete in the, world doesn't time that,

1167
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: well but it's a terrific lacrosse. Player so you know

1168
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: he's got some, uh he's got some athleticism or he's

1169
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 2: got some explosion in his. Game he's also very, aggressive

1170
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: has been a consistent performer At. MARYLAND i think he's

1171
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: going to be a solid selection in the middle Of day.

1172
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 3: Three.

1173
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: YEAH i thought he was pretty goodt the senior ball.

1174
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: Too Dante traday made some plays in that. Game all, Right,

1175
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 1: Tony you've been doing a great job keeping track of

1176
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: all the latest rumors and news and everything in the

1177
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 1: pro days at Sports. Kita what do you have coming

1178
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: up that people who keep their eyes.

1179
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: On a lot of, news a lot of rumors will

1180
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: have a couple more articles this. Week as we get

1181
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 2: closer to the, draft the articles will be more. Frequent

1182
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: we've got the Mock draft, simulator which is constantly. Updated

1183
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: there's gonna be five hundred plus players in. There with scouting,

1184
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: reports so even after the, draft you, know when The

1185
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 2: giants or The jets or The eagles or whoever signed

1186
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 2: those priority free, agents you'll be able to get information on.

1187
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: Them, yeah and, Look tony's reports are the. Best they're

1188
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: all very, complete they're. Excellent next, week, folks we're going

1189
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: to get do an All questions. SHOW i know you

1190
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: guys have questions about the. Draft we're getting into, it

1191
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: so me AND toni will both put up tweets about

1192
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 1: trying to get questions from, you and we will try

1193
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: to get as many of those as we can and

1194
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: get all the latest news From tony as. Well tomorrow

1195
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: will be a big intel week as teams finish their draft,

1196
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: meetings scouts are in the buildings their meeting with general.

1197
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: Managers we'll talk about that What tony's, hearing and then

1198
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: we will Have tony's final mock draft the following week

1199
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: up up before the, draft and Then tony will be

1200
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: joining us for a couple of our draft things over

1201
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: the weekend. Too we'll do a couple of draft season.

1202
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: Episodes we're gonna have some special shows on wf and

1203
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: That tony's gonna be a part. Of so it'll be a,

1204
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: busy busy. Week as we get moving here On draft, Season,

1205
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: tony good, stuff my. FRIEND i appreciate it as, always, Absolutely.

1206
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: John it's getting.

1207
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: Here a little bit of, anxiety a little bit of,

1208
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 2: pensiveness and let's get this thing.

1209
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,920
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00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,880
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