Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. It's Sam here with a quick little
Speaker 1: show announcement, and that is that we have a Street
Speaker 1: Lab live show in New York City at our homeway
Speaker 1: from home, the Bellhouse, on March thirteenth. That is, I'm
Speaker 1: being told close to selling out, so get those tickets quick.
Speaker 1: We're going to have Joe Firestone and Patti Harrison and
Speaker 1: potentially on another person there as special guests. And then
Speaker 1: I'm doing an hour at Union Hall in New York
Speaker 1: City on March eighteenth, and I also hear tickets are
Speaker 1: low for that, so move quick. And then I'm doing
Speaker 1: my hour two more times in Los Angeles, California, on
Speaker 1: March twenty fourth and April first, And there's actually quite
Speaker 1: a few tickets available for those other intimate little shows.
Speaker 1: So I would love if you guys got tickets of those.
Speaker 1: That would make my life much less humiliating. So see
Speaker 1: you there. Enjoy the episode. Bye. Podcast starts now. What
Speaker 1: is up everyone around the globe? We are at the
Speaker 1: final George in La recording. We did it.
Speaker 2: We did it, folks, We did it, Joe, We did
Speaker 2: it Joe. Remember that, y'all, remember that, Remember we did it.
Speaker 1: Joe simpler times.
Speaker 2: Take me back, me back what a day, Take me
Speaker 2: back to just having like a knot in my stomach
Speaker 2: that told me that it wasn't going to be okay.
Speaker 2: But then at the surface, being like.
Speaker 1: Well what if it is where it's now, it's its
Speaker 1: surface all the way down to the knot. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: it sucks to be like damn, So we're just going
Speaker 1: to be sort of in a nightmare for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 2: It's sort of interesting how the Charlie Brat era reflects
Speaker 2: our political optimism then and also now what's happening with
Speaker 2: the Charlie movie explain, So Charlie Brat Summer coincided with
Speaker 2: like this like forced optimism about Kamala Harris. Yes, now
Speaker 2: Charlie is doing her movie which is like Brad Summer,
Speaker 2: but through a lens of even more sarcasm and irony,
Speaker 2: while we are all in the most cynical, scared, angry
Speaker 2: place we've ever been. Yeah, and it's I don't think
Speaker 2: it's intentional, And I also think people are people don't
Speaker 2: want to think back to the optimism of Brad Summer,
Speaker 2: so they're sort of like rejecting the film.
Speaker 1: So she's like getting ahead of it and being like
Speaker 1: that was weird. I hope she's getting ahead of it,
Speaker 1: but I worry about that. I'm film yet, Yeah, I'm either,
Speaker 1: but I hope that she can pull it off. If
Speaker 1: she can pull it off, it would be a generational accomplishment.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, I believe there's something about I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: when she said Kamala is Brad, that was like the
Speaker 1: furthest she's gone into, like quote unquote cringe. But it
Speaker 1: was like but then she like immediately was like, what
Speaker 1: am I doing? I'm not going to maintain that.
Speaker 2: That was like a funny, stupid thing to say. And
Speaker 2: I really reject people, really reject people that like somehow
Speaker 2: believe that that was her being like pussy hat limits March.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like come on, everything she says is like
Speaker 2: through fifteen layers of irony then seven of which she
Speaker 2: doesn't even she's not even fully aware.
Speaker 1: I think she's gonna pull it off. But of course,
Speaker 1: this is amazing to batch episodes in a time when
Speaker 1: you know the news changes so quickly. I mean, at
Speaker 1: this rate, Charlie could be assassinated by the time this
Speaker 1: episode comes out.
Speaker 2: So let's hope not let's hope not, but of course
Speaker 2: we will prepare a separate intro for if she's assassinated,
Speaker 2: and it's going to be saved as intro Charlie Assassination
Speaker 2: Version MP.
Speaker 3: Four.
Speaker 1: We record over one hundred versions of our intro for
Speaker 1: if any public figure that we discussed is assassinated within
Speaker 1: the next month, just because we can't know because we're
Speaker 1: releasing this a month from or two, like a month
Speaker 1: and a half from.
Speaker 2: I just want to say if any of our last
Speaker 2: eight to ten episodes none of them coincide with the
Speaker 2: time period in which we're listening to them, so everyone
Speaker 2: just has to sort of be chill about it. If
Speaker 2: you think we're not commenting on any political events, that's
Speaker 2: why we don't know. They don't know about them.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say that it's actually sad
Speaker 1: that you guys won't hear the version of this intro
Speaker 1: in which Amanda Seafreed got assassinated, because yeah, we both cry.
Speaker 1: It's very emotional. I really felt it. I felt it
Speaker 1: so hard. I mean, obviously we were it was an
Speaker 1: acting extracise because we don't know what the future holds,
Speaker 1: but we both got to a place that was pretty
Speaker 1: real and grounded.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we accessed our feelings about her being
Speaker 2: snubbed for the OSCAR and said, okay, like that's how
Speaker 2: you're feeling now already on the verge of tears. Of course,
Speaker 2: of course, I mean after learning the teachers of teachings
Speaker 2: of Anne Lee, after I.
Speaker 1: Learned the teachings teachings, the teaches of an Lee, straight Shooter,
Speaker 1: teaches of Peaches, or a testament of Van Lee, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to go a testament of Anlein, go a
Speaker 1: testament of Anile. No, I'm so inspired by the Shaker movement.
Speaker 1: I have not had sex since I've seen a movie,
Speaker 1: and I plan on continuing that run or else God
Speaker 1: will not come through me.
Speaker 2: Something interesting about me is that I actually, no joke,
Speaker 2: have not had sex and seeing seeing that movie, and so,
Speaker 2: I mean a big part of it is that I
Speaker 2: am I have been away from my husband in a
Speaker 2: different city.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'm allowed to if I want to.
Speaker 1: Oh honey, I have it. I chose it not to,
Speaker 1: and it's because of Annley. A gay guy saying he's
Speaker 1: away from his husband in a different city is not
Speaker 1: an excuse for not having you know what, it is.
Speaker 2: It's I wanted to say that just so people think
Speaker 2: I'm not in a sexist marriage, but not as a
Speaker 2: justification for not having sex. To be clear, it's my
Speaker 2: choice that I'm not having sex.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I think we had a really big realization.
Speaker 2: Did I forward you this?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, we talked about it how Ann Lee herself was
Speaker 2: actually fugly as hell.
Speaker 1: Everyone, if you're near a phone or a computer or
Speaker 1: a home tablet, google Ann Lee.
Speaker 2: What to Wikipedia Wikipedia for Annlee and look at the
Speaker 2: gorgeous illustration.
Speaker 1: The amazing sketch.
Speaker 2: Absolutely this like it's made by like the most cruel
Speaker 2: Coney Island sketch artist, caricature artist.
Speaker 1: You've heard of a five head when your forehead is
Speaker 1: too big, Well, honey, this is like a ten head.
Speaker 1: This is like, this is so gigantic. I've never seen
Speaker 1: anything like it. And it's you know, it's pretty easy
Speaker 1: to understand why she could forego sex in the film.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, but she's married to the hot
Speaker 1: guy from Girls, Why wouldn't she want to blow him
Speaker 1: as he so insists he wants. And then now you
Speaker 1: see the the Wikipedia drawing and you say, oh, I
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, you're saying, I don't think she would
Speaker 1: have dated Charlie from Girls. I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily think. I don't even think she would have dated
Speaker 1: Ray from Girls. To be honest, honey, she wishes no.
Speaker 1: But of course the forehead.
Speaker 2: You know why it's so big so you can project
Speaker 2: the testament of Anily on it and do a big
Speaker 2: movie night with the gang after everyone is tired from
Speaker 2: a day of blue ballsing themselves for the Lord, for
Speaker 2: the Lord everyone. So what we're doing today is a
Speaker 2: good old fashioned call in episode we This is like
Speaker 2: one of my favorite batch of calls we've gotten.
Speaker 1: I think, Wow, I don't rank them. I love all
Speaker 1: batches of calls equally.
Speaker 2: Well, something happens without us planning it, which is that
Speaker 2: there's a certain identity that shines through with each batch,
Speaker 2: and I think this batch was much more queer woman oriented.
Speaker 2: There was a batch recently that was like gay guy,
Speaker 2: gay guy, gey guy, gay guy. This batch was much
Speaker 2: more like, we just got back from a big potlck dinner.
Speaker 2: We made an amazing white bean stew and my girlfriend,
Speaker 2: who I'm ethically non monogamous with, has a question for
Speaker 2: you guys, and we love the pod.
Speaker 1: Well, there was a lot of like representation and not
Speaker 1: in the like identity way, like in the way that
Speaker 1: like someone is speaking for someone else. Yes, someone represents
Speaker 1: someone else. I love that was my friend loves you,
Speaker 1: and he wonders, and it was sort of like, one,
Speaker 1: then why can't he pick up the damn phone and
Speaker 1: call himself?
Speaker 2: Well, I sort of like, I like kind of taking
Speaker 2: the culture of legal representation into the social into your
Speaker 2: social life and just be like, you know, we should
Speaker 2: be able to be like I have a dinner with
Speaker 2: an acquaintance I don't really want to see. I'm going
Speaker 2: to send my friend and then she can kind of
Speaker 2: be like yeah, So this is like mostly what George
Speaker 2: wanted to say, and I'll relay back anything you have.
Speaker 1: Georgie's loving The Testament of Anilee. He has has been
Speaker 1: ever since watching, and he still love diet Coke.
Speaker 2: It's something that The Testament of anilely didn't quite hit,
Speaker 2: was like, why the connection between celibacy and social justice
Speaker 2: because her dupe her two big views were social justice
Speaker 2: and celibacy. Yeah, who could forget she was the only
Speaker 2: white person in America against slavery.
Speaker 1: She really saw slaves happening, and she was like, I
Speaker 1: don't like this. I do not like this. She was
Speaker 1: so she was like what. She was like, hold on,
Speaker 1: I'm going to call somebody. But then she didn't really
Speaker 1: call it. No, she was like, I'm actually gonna go
Speaker 1: to the She sort of just like protested very briefly
Speaker 1: on the streets and then was like, it is time
Speaker 1: for us to set up camp.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: And she was nice in the Native Americans. That's true.
Speaker 1: She she she was awoke diva, but it is it
Speaker 1: is very she's very I think I said after we
Speaker 1: saw the movie, she's very tender queer where it's like
Speaker 1: very sex negative but very social justice forward.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a really interesting point. Yes, she's sex negative.
Speaker 1: She's like, no kink, get pride. Actually no kink at.
Speaker 2: All, no kink at all, and no sex at all,
Speaker 2: no sex at all. But everyone gets. But but this
Speaker 2: is I'm running my business like a co op, like
Speaker 2: I'm running everyone's a co owner. Yes, everyone is a
Speaker 2: co owner of the Social Justice Coffee Shop. And we
Speaker 2: do we have like a prayer a non denominational prayer room.
Speaker 2: As long as no one hooks up in there, you're fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I also just it was so funny how
Speaker 1: much it's like as a gay guy to hear a
Speaker 1: movie where they say the word mother that much. It
Speaker 1: was like, it's like sometimes it feels like they're baiting
Speaker 1: you into making a meme.
Speaker 2: I know, I and I well, this goes back to
Speaker 2: the to the Searchlight Pictures conversation. So much of the
Speaker 2: movie is begging to be memed, and only now are
Speaker 2: people catching up to that. We're recording January twenty eighth.
Speaker 2: I just want to you know, she's been snubbed for
Speaker 2: the Oscar. No one has seen this film yet. I
Speaker 2: think now it's getting some traction. But the fact that
Speaker 2: there was no meme about Mother, no meme about the
Speaker 2: dance that they do, no meme about you know, Charlie
Speaker 2: from Girls, no meme about the fact that she's like
Speaker 2: serving the entire time but playing someone who has you know,
Speaker 2: a horrible forehead.
Speaker 1: No, it's weird. It's weird.
Speaker 2: We've made memes about much less memorable things as all.
Speaker 1: I'm so maybe they were just too heavy handed with
Speaker 1: the memeability. Yeah, let you have a sense of discovery.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's true. They should, they could, They were
Speaker 1: too heated rivalry with it. They want a bit heated rivalry.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying about, ann Lee. Should we get
Speaker 1: into our call. Let's get we haven't a million amazing calls.
Speaker 1: I can kick us off.
Speaker 5: Hey, Sam and George? Do you who note here that
Speaker 5: I did have to pause Lady Gaga's guy.
Speaker 6: To leave this message?
Speaker 5: Guy question here, I'm going through my photos on my
Speaker 5: phone in an I cloud. I've got all these pictures
Speaker 5: of hot men I don't know, jig pics that I
Speaker 5: don't know for sure who they belonged to, and even
Speaker 5: friends and lovers that I'm no longer close with. What
Speaker 5: would you, glamorous gay guys do? Would you keep these
Speaker 5: photos or would you delete them? What should I do?
Speaker 5: I'm just curious. Also, I want to thank and give
Speaker 5: a big shout out to George for his stand up special.
Speaker 5: I watched it while I was sick with the flu,
Speaker 5: So thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Bye.
Speaker 2: You're saying you watched it when you were sick with
Speaker 2: the flu, not saying whether you enjoyed it or not,
Speaker 2: just saying thank you for providing something for me to
Speaker 2: look at.
Speaker 1: That is so classic.
Speaker 2: But you know, often something you can do is rent
Speaker 2: my special sense of urgency on Amazon or Apple if
Speaker 2: you have the fluor even if you're healthy.
Speaker 1: No matter what state of mind you're in, Rent, George,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is an interesting question, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to actually take a step back. What is your stance
Speaker 2: on saving other people's news?
Speaker 1: So this is interesting. The context was a bit unclear
Speaker 1: to me. Is he saying he's saving them from like Twitter,
Speaker 1: like they're not sent to him directly?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, I'm pretty sure they're sent to him directly. And
Speaker 2: I think he has a spank bank folder where he
Speaker 2: puts them. He's he's acquired them consensually. I guess I say,
Speaker 2: go off. You say just keep them, keep I mean,
Speaker 2: as long as you're not like sharing them abroad, like
Speaker 2: I think, if you never know when you might need them.
Speaker 1: I think it's like sometimes it's fun when you're like
Speaker 1: thinking back on your life. Imagine it's the notebook and
Speaker 1: you're like, what's my life been? And then you can
Speaker 1: be like, actually, remember that guy's dick. That's very true.
Speaker 2: And actually I would even go to fars to say
Speaker 2: you should go through them and maybe even journal about them,
Speaker 2: like write notes about each one, see how you feel,
Speaker 2: and then do that again once a year and sort
Speaker 2: of track your own evolving tastes in Dicks and maybe
Speaker 2: something will bring up a memory and you'll remember who a.
Speaker 1: Specific person was. That would be nice. I mean, I
Speaker 1: have Dick pics that I treasure, Dick pics from like
Speaker 1: ten years ago, where I'm like, isn't it so weird
Speaker 1: that I can just look at this whenever I want. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I like that. I'm not sharing it, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying that's nice to be able to access that. It
Speaker 1: makes me feel like in the same way when you
Speaker 1: hear a song from elementary school and you're like, no, whoa,
Speaker 1: I'm taken back. I'm back in the backseat of the car.
Speaker 2: Or even like looking at an old photo of yourself
Speaker 2: and seeing something you were wearing that is so of
Speaker 2: the times in terms of the style and styling. Even
Speaker 2: you know you can look back and say, oh, that's
Speaker 2: what I like. Then this was like my favorite one.
Speaker 2: This Dick was my favorite one. Now not doing much
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: It doesn't do anything for me, but it's nice to
Speaker 1: know that I can look at it. Next question, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I have.
Speaker 3: This one Okay, Hey, Sam and George. I called before
Speaker 3: from going to Chicago to see George's first show. But
Speaker 3: I had something happen that is so stradio lab or
Speaker 3: it happened to my son that I had to call and.
Speaker 1: Ask this question.
Speaker 3: My son is twenty five, or one of my sons
Speaker 3: is twenty five, and he went to New York City
Speaker 3: to visit a former college roommate who lives in Manhattan
Speaker 3: a week after Christmas, and to thank him for hosting him.
Speaker 3: He set up a sushi restaurant, Almacasse Meal. So while
Speaker 3: they were there, an older man in his forties sent
Speaker 3: them some sake, and they thought that was really nice.
Speaker 3: And then my son's friend went to the bathroom towards
Speaker 3: the end of the meal, and the man came over
Speaker 3: to my son and was like, you know, introducing himself
Speaker 3: and saying hey. And then the man said to my
Speaker 3: son like, fuck it, let's go after this and do
Speaker 3: a bunch of cocaine or a bunch of coke and
Speaker 3: co oh okay, I no, thank you, but thank you
Speaker 3: for the sake. So when my son told me this,
Speaker 3: he was just kind of like, oh, New York wild
Speaker 3: and crazy, and I was like I'm pretty sure like
Speaker 3: I was hitting on you.
Speaker 8: Guys, so you two would be the experts in New
Speaker 8: York and gay guys.
Speaker 3: Was my son and his friend getting hit on?
Speaker 8: Thanks so much?
Speaker 9: Bye?
Speaker 2: Okay, so off the bat, I want to say a couple.
Speaker 2: First of all, I really enjoyed the scene setting in
Speaker 2: this call. Yeah, like I think there was it was
Speaker 2: not necessary to know that it was the week after
Speaker 2: Christmas that he was staying with a friend. In this
Speaker 2: was like a thank you dinner. But I really appreciated
Speaker 2: that we did know that because it actually painted a picture.
Speaker 2: And the thing that I most appreciated was that it
Speaker 2: was a two straight guy Omakase dinner, because there's actually
Speaker 2: nothing straighter in New York right now than Omakase. I
Speaker 2: think this even happened after you left. If you go
Speaker 2: on Rezi in New York right now, all you get
Speaker 2: is Omakazi in Union Square. They are multiplying like like
Speaker 2: an STD and it is crazy. There is just our
Speaker 2: Omakazi places opening left and right, and all of them
Speaker 2: inside are sort of like solitari foody types and or
Speaker 2: like office like coworkers. Interesting, and so it's a very
Speaker 2: it's very like twenty five year old in the city,
Speaker 2: straight guy in the city who wants to have a
Speaker 2: nice dinner.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, I love it. To my cousin,
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: But I like that that's the environment we are navigating here.
Speaker 1: So this could go either way. But what I think
Speaker 1: is very telling is that the time of day it was,
Speaker 1: which is dinner time. Yes, And I think your Solan
Speaker 1: was being hit on hard. I think so as well
Speaker 1: by a Kim Queen. No less, yes by Kim Queen.
Speaker 1: I like because in New York, like I have had
Speaker 1: an experience where like I've been at say a bar
Speaker 1: in Bushwick and it's like two am, and I'm waiting
Speaker 1: in line for the bathroom. Like this guy started talking
Speaker 1: to me once and he was like, you know, it
Speaker 1: was his birthday and he was like, just it's tough.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm really stressed out. I've got like a
Speaker 1: kid at home and I never even thought I'd be
Speaker 1: a dad, and like this is so like life is
Speaker 1: so hard, and like you know, marriage is already hard,
Speaker 1: and so much harder with a kid, and like this
Speaker 1: is so common. We're like waiting for finally it's our
Speaker 1: turn to go in and then he's like, by the way,
Speaker 1: do you want to go in with me and do cocaine?
Speaker 1: And I was like no, no, no, no. See, he
Speaker 1: was not hitting on me. He wanted a front. And this,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, because the guy is so sober
Speaker 1: and so with it and it's dinner time, he was
Speaker 1: trying to hit on him, I think so too.
Speaker 2: And I also just think, you know, listen, part of
Speaker 2: this curse of being a straight guy having amakazi with
Speaker 2: your boy is that you are two men having a date.
Speaker 2: And so it's gonna maybe if someone doesn't know about
Speaker 2: the cultural significance of a makazi that I just described,
Speaker 2: if someone is not familiar with the kind of semiotics
Speaker 2: of Union Square omakazi in New York City in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, because this was after Christmas, then they might
Speaker 2: misread it. And yeah, I think that is a really
Speaker 2: great learning experience for a young straight man to have.
Speaker 2: Is like, how do I act when someone thinks I'm gay?
Speaker 2: Because I think it's a sign of maturity to not
Speaker 2: resort to, oh no, dude, I would never I would
Speaker 2: never do that, I'm not gay, and to just sort
Speaker 2: of be like, oh, that's sweet, but I'm straight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also like, God, I remember being
Speaker 1: like so excited when like random old guys would hit
Speaker 1: on me, even if I was never going to sleep
Speaker 1: with them in a million years. Of course, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is so fun, Like this is such a natural relationship.
Speaker 1: Like old guy hits on me. I'm so much younger.
Speaker 1: I'm thirty years younger than him, forty years younger than him.
Speaker 2: And no, it's amazing. It's one of the best feelings
Speaker 2: in the world. And if you can if the you know,
Speaker 2: age gap, flirtation can be one of the most beautiful things,
Speaker 2: I mean in the entire universe. Yes, absolutely, as long
Speaker 2: as there is an unspoken agreement that no one that
Speaker 2: everyone is actually like in touch with the signs being sent. Yes,
Speaker 2: because even enjoy a flirtation with no desire to do
Speaker 2: anything after.
Speaker 1: Of course, even if you are literally attracted with the person.
Speaker 2: Like it has nothing to do with that. It just
Speaker 2: has to do with what's appropriate at any given time.
Speaker 2: And I think knowing that is one of the biggest
Speaker 2: parts of being.
Speaker 1: Okay, and you know what, while we're at it, bosses
Speaker 1: should be able to hit on assistance. Okay, next question,
Speaker 1: Next question, you know before we go to the next question,
Speaker 1: something I realized, and we can keep this in. It's
Speaker 1: going to be really funny to have the video of
Speaker 1: this where we're both holding up our laptops to the
Speaker 1: microphone at every call. I think it'll be funny.
Speaker 4: Hi there, this is for George listening to that app
Speaker 4: with Coolio. I wanted to know has your life been
Speaker 4: affected outside of the A podcast, of course, but when Julio
Speaker 4: asked you or I don't even know if he asked
Speaker 4: or told you better without glasses or like why don't
Speaker 4: you not wear glasses? I just wanted to know if
Speaker 4: that's like completely I know your podcast personas you know,
Speaker 4: I appreciate that you are separate from who you.
Speaker 10: Are on this podcast, but did that like rattle you
Speaker 10: or impact your day to day being?
Speaker 4: I felt like stripped about myself and I've been constantly thinking, like,
Speaker 4: do what I need to get contacts? But I absolutely
Speaker 4: love my glasses, but I am like, I mean, they
Speaker 4: are just naturally an obstruction of my face. And not
Speaker 4: to make it all about me, I just but I
Speaker 4: did want to know.
Speaker 10: Like that felt so so and I wanted to know
Speaker 10: if you, like in your day to day kind of
Speaker 10: think of God, now, are you seeing yourself.
Speaker 4: Wear glasses last? Or do you just not give a fuck? Okay, anyways,
Speaker 4: let me too.
Speaker 8: Sam, and maybe just give me your thoughts as well.
Speaker 11: Bye.
Speaker 2: First of all, I just want to say I appreciate
Speaker 2: that this color recognizes that we play characters on the
Speaker 2: podcast much like Lady Gaga and Joe Calderon or Beyond
Speaker 2: San Sasha Fears, and it is all fully scripted. We
Speaker 2: have a lot of script meetings with the execs beforehand,
Speaker 2: and I think we've been doing a really good job
Speaker 2: of the storylines.
Speaker 1: We've never dropped character. It's been so amazing to see
Speaker 1: our characters grow and change. I also love.
Speaker 2: That Julio's criticism is so powerful that this listener who
Speaker 2: has never met Julio, I assume, is having a full
Speaker 2: on identity crisis about whether or not you should keep
Speaker 2: wearing glasses.
Speaker 1: Sometimes, I actually think it's more powerful to overhear a
Speaker 1: conversation that like somewhat pertains to you than how someone
Speaker 1: directly tell you.
Speaker 2: Well, undoubtedly, because it is completely unfiltered, like yeah, you
Speaker 2: hear someone, It's like something simple as some hearing someone
Speaker 2: being like I mean one of the most tragic things
Speaker 2: you can do is wear a green polo, which, for
Speaker 2: others not watching, is what I'm wearing now, and they're like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, what. No one would ever say that
Speaker 2: to my face. But that is just like suddenly you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm naked. Yeah, suddenly it's like, oh, I have to
Speaker 2: change fast before anyone notices, you know, Whereas if you're
Speaker 2: already being seen wearing the green polo, you're sort of like, Oh,
Speaker 2: it's no big deal, the worst has happened, I'm wearing it.
Speaker 1: That is really tough.
Speaker 2: So to answer this question, you are correct to point
Speaker 2: out that it felt like a pretty real moment at
Speaker 2: the time. And I must say, in the spirit of earnestness,
Speaker 2: which is what these call in shows were originally designed
Speaker 2: to be, I was very taken aback by that interaction,
Speaker 2: and I felt like I when I was trying to
Speaker 2: sort of like lobby it back to Julu and be like,
Speaker 2: have you ever considered not dyeing your hair? He wasn't
Speaker 2: exactly engaging in the same way that I was engaging
Speaker 2: in a sort of comedic commentary about my persona.
Speaker 1: Would well, it's so complex that interaction is obviously so
Speaker 1: complex because yes, like Julio is being so direct, yeah,
Speaker 1: and somewhat toxically direct, but at the same time he
Speaker 1: thinks he's giving you like a compliment almost, and and
Speaker 1: he's like thrown off that you think it's not a
Speaker 1: good it's an insult. Yeah, and so he like doesn't
Speaker 1: even know how to like process what you're saying. It
Speaker 1: was like watching it, I was like, I'm watching like
Speaker 1: a fundamental disagreement that is, like the disagreement of worldview
Speaker 1: rather than like opinions. Yes, and so I was like, huh,
Speaker 1: this is so interesting.
Speaker 2: I know, it really felt like a rip in reality
Speaker 2: where I was like, oh, no, we are we have
Speaker 2: fundamentally different ways of viewing the world.
Speaker 1: I always think, like I somewhat wrongly am like we're
Speaker 1: all relatively the same, yeah, no matter our backgrounds, like,
Speaker 1: no matter, Like I'm sort of like, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: we're all brought together through comedy and this especially comedy
Speaker 1: in New York City. We all know a similar worldview whatever.
Speaker 1: And then it's like, nope, not even close.
Speaker 2: I mean this is now not even about Julio, but
Speaker 2: to your point about comedy, there's something about comedy, stand
Speaker 2: up comedy, where you can come at it from completely
Speaker 2: different entry points. So you can come at it through
Speaker 2: wanting to be an actor and taking acting class and
Speaker 2: discovering this different route of performance. You can come at
Speaker 2: it because you want to be a writer and you
Speaker 2: feel like this is a way to get your writing
Speaker 2: out there. You can now, especially in this town, people
Speaker 2: come at it through clowning. Through clowning and sort of
Speaker 2: like you can come at it through like the art
Speaker 2: world and like being like essentially like doing performance art.
Speaker 2: So and I think that's not true of many, Like
Speaker 2: that's not true of painters or sculptors or honestly even playwrights.
Speaker 2: Like there is something specific it's it brings such a
Speaker 2: diverse group of people together. There anyway, has my interaction
Speaker 2: with Julio changed my view of my glasses.
Speaker 1: I'm certainly more open to not wearing glasses after that interaction,
Speaker 1: I will say, interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the other reason I got so defensive about that
Speaker 2: is because specifically with these glasses, I've been wanting to
Speaker 2: replace them for a while and have like you know,
Speaker 2: when you are overwhelmed with choices and you don't know
Speaker 2: which one to pick and it's now been fully like
Speaker 2: years of being like, okay, it's time to change, time
Speaker 2: to change them, so to be for them to be
Speaker 2: pointed out as a flaw, I was like, oh, so
Speaker 2: everyone else sees this as well.
Speaker 1: That makes sense that that was a big part of
Speaker 1: that interaction. That makes sense. I will say glasses because
Speaker 1: they do become part of one's identity. It's a very
Speaker 1: difficult thing to switch up. I know. I even find
Speaker 1: with sunglasses, I'm like, I get like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to switch it up too much because I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: people won't know who I am because those are my sunglasses.
Speaker 1: But it's tough. It's tough. I'll play the next one.
Speaker 8: Okay, I Sam and George, I love a pod. The
Speaker 8: first one I want to say was a girl who
Speaker 8: dragged my whole family around the Las Vegas strip to
Speaker 8: see the meat dress and it was so worth it.
Speaker 8: Thanks for putting me on.
Speaker 12: So my question is as a lesbian.
Speaker 13: When I realized I was a lesbian.
Speaker 8: I figured I had no more use for men in
Speaker 8: my life in any.
Speaker 9: Sort of way.
Speaker 8: But I'm kind of in the market for a gay guy.
Speaker 8: BSF one do I really need one?
Speaker 14: And two?
Speaker 7: How do I get one?
Speaker 1: Thanks by Wow, what a powerful call. We talked sort
Speaker 1: of about the lesbian who goes to the gay guy
Speaker 1: trips and like sort of is like I need gay
Speaker 1: guys to like actually fucking lose my mind with. It's
Speaker 1: the lesbian.
Speaker 2: It's a specific kind of lesbian archetype, and I feel
Speaker 2: comfortable theorizing about it because I know multiple of these
Speaker 2: lesbians and it is it's sort of the equivalent of
Speaker 2: a lesbian being like I was on the wrong body,
Speaker 2: but only party wise, Like she's like I love women.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not like a self hating lesbian, but
Speaker 2: I just simply have the stamina of a gay guy
Speaker 2: when it comes to drugs and alcohol and staying out late.
Speaker 1: It's so I've become friends with a lesbian of this
Speaker 1: ill Oh yes, I've met her, and she is so
Speaker 1: to die for. And it's such a nice respite because
Speaker 1: you get the like hard party, I'm being crazy, I'm
Speaker 1: being fun, and you get like lesbian like groundedness completely
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's like every time I see her
Speaker 1: at a party, I'm like, thank God, I can like
Speaker 1: take a breath.
Speaker 2: It's incredible to see her at a party after having
Speaker 2: like fifteen interactions in a row that have felt like
Speaker 2: everyone is like looking you up and down and trying
Speaker 2: to like decide what they want from you. And then
Speaker 2: suddenly you're having a genuine interaction with someone that's like
Speaker 2: asking about your day. You're like, Oh, I didn't know
Speaker 2: that was an option.
Speaker 1: It's so nice. So I think you should get a
Speaker 1: gay guy BFF or even just find sort of a
Speaker 1: gay guy friend squad and hop into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hop into the friends squad and then hang
Speaker 2: out with them, and then find the one you like most,
Speaker 2: ask him to like a solo omakase even or you know,
Speaker 2: just like a solo drink at a gay bar.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I think it could be really huge.
Speaker 2: And I also I really think friendships between lesbians and
Speaker 2: gay guys are so important. Of course, some of my
Speaker 2: most foundational and valuable friendships are with lesbians. And I
Speaker 2: think that there needs to be more reaching across the aisle,
Speaker 2: especially in an era where gay guys are getting more
Speaker 2: and more isolated in their own groups because it's easier
Speaker 2: than ever for them to meet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very very insular. Yeah, it's nice to see you
Speaker 1: know what fundamental differences are true? Yeah, and which ones
Speaker 1: are not true and the.
Speaker 2: Give and take of like having an alternative perspective on relationships,
Speaker 2: on sex, on culture, on politics.
Speaker 1: You know, it makes a difference. Folks, reach across the aisle.
Speaker 9: Hey, gay guys, Lisaray from Seattle, I want to get
Speaker 9: George's official on the record comment on Athena Dion and
Speaker 9: her Greek representation this season on the group Pulse Rock Rites. Okay,
Speaker 9: love you guys, by So.
Speaker 1: My thoughts on Athena deon broadly speaking, because again this
Speaker 1: will come out in a month or longer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just don't. I have no idea if
Speaker 2: she's already been eliminated. I have no idea if she's
Speaker 2: already won the whole season. And I got to say,
Speaker 2: I'm imagining an answer to the second one is no.
Speaker 1: But my thoughts on her are that I think.
Speaker 8: She is.
Speaker 2: Literally, in like a pageant type way, amazing representation of
Speaker 2: Greek people because she is clearly, you know, very sweet
Speaker 2: and professional and you know, wears her heart on her
Speaker 2: sleeve and is not evil, and so I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: like she is this is in the most literal way
Speaker 2: good representation where you're like, wow, great people are nice,
Speaker 2: that's good. But I think my issue with her is
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be Athena Deon, if you're gonna be
Speaker 2: you know, Athena is the goddess of wisdom. There's so
Speaker 2: much imagery that has you know, there's a you know,
Speaker 2: there's the owl, there's the armor, there's a you know,
Speaker 2: a sort of a toga thing you could do. I'm like,
Speaker 2: if your thing is Greek goddess, really commit to Greek goddess,
Speaker 2: like have it be in the same way that if
Speaker 2: you were I don't know, let's say, if you were
Speaker 2: oh god, oh God, what's like another trope tied to
Speaker 2: an ethnicity that I am allowed to talk about, Like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, Like if you were
Speaker 2: French and you were Joan of Arc, sure go Joan
Speaker 2: of Arc. If you were you know, Mexican, and you
Speaker 2: are free to call it and that's your thing, do
Speaker 2: the eyebrow, go free to call it. Like you're clearly
Speaker 2: playing with your own ethnic background and doing this kind
Speaker 2: of like this this kind of Greek thing. So like,
Speaker 2: really go full toga, really go like big costume me
Speaker 2: Like that's sort of what I'm or if you want
Speaker 2: to go the opposite direction goes super elegant and draping toga.
Speaker 1: That'd be nice.
Speaker 2: And I'm sort of I'm like, you are halfway between
Speaker 2: Greek goddess and super professional host of the Big Drag Brunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: which I know she's known for hosting, so that's maybe
Speaker 2: exactly where she wants to be. I think she needs
Speaker 2: to she needs to split. She's always splitting the difference
Speaker 2: between host and goddess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough and it's a tough but I mean,
Speaker 1: talk about a Demi god. Is that where you're a
Speaker 1: half human? Oh my god, she's very Demi goddess.
Speaker 2: She's a Demi goddess. I think that's the issue with her.
Speaker 2: She's a Demi goddess because she's half host, half goddess.
Speaker 2: And I think I know, yeah, I'm sorry to say,
Speaker 2: but I think she has to get more in touch
Speaker 2: with her goddess and leave the host identity behind because
Speaker 2: a host is not a winner of drag race.
Speaker 1: That is one of the toughest things. Is like, when
Speaker 1: you're in a career and you're like, well, to start,
Speaker 1: I need to be a host, I know, and then
Speaker 1: she's like, now she's ascending to literally the TV heavens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, you have to leave that part
Speaker 1: of you behind, but it's so hard because it's so trained.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I think that she seems really lovely. I love
Speaker 2: that her thing is being a Mikonos. I think the
Speaker 2: Mikonos girls have such a difficult task because they are
Speaker 2: dealing with the most annoying and rancid gay guys twenty
Speaker 2: four to seven. Like, I know where she I know
Speaker 2: the club where she hosts and Mikonos. It is so
Speaker 2: expensive and overpriced. It is like it is evil gay
Speaker 2: guys on vacation. Like to deal with those and maintain
Speaker 2: your cool and host a show, Like, my heart goes
Speaker 2: out to her.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: I also wonder if when you are a Greek queen,
Speaker 1: is it like in Greece hacked to be like I'm
Speaker 1: doing Athena, I'm doinging the Goddesses, I'm doing well.
Speaker 2: The thing is she's not performing for Greek people. She's
Speaker 2: doing she's basically the equivalent of like going to you know,
Speaker 2: like a revolutionary war re enactment and having people dress
Speaker 2: this revolutionary war soldiers.
Speaker 1: Like she is. She's performing Greek for non Greek it's
Speaker 1: cruise ship.
Speaker 2: It's cruise ship like it's like going to a Broadway
Speaker 2: themed drag show and someone whos dresses Alpha ba and so.
Speaker 2: Because otherwise she's based in La Florida, I think she's
Speaker 2: not like he's not like from Greece. But I but
Speaker 2: I really want to say that I support her and
Speaker 2: I it's a joy to have her on my television.
Speaker 1: And I'm excited to see what she does at All Stars. Okay,
Speaker 1: next question, who do you who?
Speaker 8: I'm a longtime listener, first time caller. My name is
Speaker 8: Mollie and I'm calling because my childhood bestie Ray. Shout
Speaker 8: out Ray, who is a huge fan, longtime Glimmer girl.
Speaker 7: I have.
Speaker 8: Actually we went to see Guys Live Together in Summerville.
Speaker 8: Loved it. She's getting lesbian married soon and we're having
Speaker 8: her bachelorette party.
Speaker 14: Coming up in like a week or so.
Speaker 8: I scoured all your episodes and I didn't see like
Speaker 8: bachelorette bachelor party as a straight topic. So if I
Speaker 8: missed it, I'm sorry, but to me, it feels so straight. However,
Speaker 8: at this batch, both brides will be going together and
Speaker 8: everyone there is basically a lesbian beside me and we're
Speaker 8: even but like we're also doing one of the straightest
Speaker 8: things one can even do, aka a PowerPoint party. And
Speaker 8: I say this as a consultant, but like our bachelorette
Speaker 8: parties still the straightest thing one can do. Have we
Speaker 8: gone full circle? Are they so straight in the past
Speaker 8: and now they're kind of camp and it's fun?
Speaker 1: Again?
Speaker 8: What's the verse? It's here? I'm just curious for your guys' thoughts.
Speaker 8: Are if this was a topic that's come up and
Speaker 8: I missed them, I'm so sorry, But yes, going to
Speaker 8: a lesbian bachelora party in Miami. By the way, I'm
Speaker 8: doing a bunch of really traditional hetero in my opinion,
Speaker 8: gotch things. So just thinking about it.
Speaker 15: Okay, I love you all.
Speaker 8: Hope everything's going well.
Speaker 6: Bye.
Speaker 2: By the way, I just want to say, like, when
Speaker 2: I think of the STRAIGHTI Lab listener, it is a
Speaker 2: straight woman who works in consulting, who's friends with all
Speaker 2: lesbians and going to a lesbian bacherette party and then
Speaker 2: is over analyzing despite the fact that she's the only
Speaker 2: non lesbian, she's the one over analyzing.
Speaker 1: How heteronormative. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I could cry thinking about the fact that, like,
Speaker 2: she can get entertainment from us talking, like, can you
Speaker 2: imagine how difficult it is to find something she likes
Speaker 2: in the pop culture landscape?
Speaker 1: Yeah, those interests insane.
Speaker 2: It makes me so happy that, like, we have found
Speaker 2: the people that we are meant to be talking to,
Speaker 2: and it's.
Speaker 1: Her doing an amazing job. So we have never discussed
Speaker 1: bachelor or bachelorette parties, is that true?
Speaker 2: We have had an episode with Natalie Ryder Lateman about
Speaker 2: Penis Straws.
Speaker 1: Her topic was Penis Straws.
Speaker 2: I must admit it was years ago, and I don't
Speaker 2: remember how much we really got into the meat of
Speaker 2: the topic, but I imagine that since the topic was
Speaker 2: Penis Straws, bacherette parties were mentioned, of course, But no,
Speaker 2: we've never done an episode about bachelrette parties. Which it's funny.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things, much like I don't know
Speaker 2: various sports, like sports we haven't discussed that is so
Speaker 2: obviously straight that it seems a bit on the nose.
Speaker 2: But I would be down to have like a real
Speaker 2: town hall about the state of bachelorette parties.
Speaker 1: I find it so complicated because you know, sometimes I'm worried.
Speaker 1: I'm literally ann Lee where I'm like.
Speaker 2: You have a syndrome and you syndrome where the patient
Speaker 2: thinks that he's ann Lee.
Speaker 1: Where I'm literally like, well, don't celebrate that. Like I'm
Speaker 1: sort of like like I get like weirdly like superfluous
Speaker 1: celebrations and I'm like, well that is not like it's
Speaker 1: sort of my like want to suffer or I'm like
Speaker 1: that is nothing to celebrate until you've earned it.
Speaker 2: Well, we both have this in common. It's like how
Speaker 2: we it's like how we're uncomfortable with birthdays because we're
Speaker 2: like I haven't earned this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I'm like, uh, I'm really surprised when
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus people do a bachelor or a bachelorette party. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, like, in the straight narrative, it makes
Speaker 1: sense to me because you are like in theory, by
Speaker 1: default we're monogamous. This is like our last wild night
Speaker 1: as single people, and then we are like locked up
Speaker 1: my pathetic cock because in a cage. And this is
Speaker 1: not like for gay people. It's so like everything is
Speaker 1: a conversation, like we can be having new partners, you know,
Speaker 1: two years from now or ten years from now, we're
Speaker 1: just sort of like building our own relationship structure at
Speaker 1: all points. And I'm sort of like, so why keep
Speaker 1: this one traditional thing? I know, and I get partying
Speaker 1: that's fun, but I'm like, but I don't need a
Speaker 1: reason necessarily.
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 2: It makes me think if there's a way to rebrand
Speaker 2: bachelor rett parties as like, I don't know, in the
Speaker 2: same way that you would rebrand like a funeral as
Speaker 2: a celebration of life or something like, if there's a
Speaker 2: way to rebrand it where it's not about chastity and
Speaker 2: it's not about your last chance to see boobs or
Speaker 2: your last chance to see a cock, like if it's
Speaker 2: just like friendship. Yes, And I think people do that
Speaker 2: with when people have joint bachelor parties, like a couple
Speaker 2: has joint bachelor party or or joint bachel rett party.
Speaker 2: I think that is a step towards that where it's
Speaker 2: like more of a celebration of community than a celebration
Speaker 2: of uh, you know, chastity.
Speaker 1: But that to me is the wedding. I know it's tough.
Speaker 2: I think that what happens is because of the wedding
Speaker 2: industrial complex, people try to fit in as much around
Speaker 2: the wedding as possible, whereas I actually think what we
Speaker 2: need more of is anniversary traditions. Yes, like it would
Speaker 2: be so fun if there was a specific five year
Speaker 2: anniversary party or a specific ten year anniversary thing, or
Speaker 2: even like one year after a thing where you get
Speaker 2: a bunch of friends together and get dinner. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think, like, I just think there's a way to
Speaker 2: decouple all the wedding events, and that way you're also
Speaker 2: not spending so much money all in the span of
Speaker 2: like a couple of months. You're not asking everyone to
Speaker 2: do all these.
Speaker 1: Favors for you, because then by the time it's the wedding,
Speaker 1: everyone's like sick of your shit.
Speaker 2: No, well, this is my big thing with bachelor and
Speaker 2: bacherette parties, And of course this is not about anyone
Speaker 2: I know that has had them. And it's been a
Speaker 2: joy to attend everyone that I have attended, But I
Speaker 2: would feel so guilty asking people to do something for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they also come from a time like like
Speaker 1: when people would like get married earlier, so it was
Speaker 1: like in theory, I think you're like even if they're
Speaker 1: like college, like you met your partner in college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like two years out of college. So then
Speaker 1: all your friends get together again and it's like you
Speaker 1: all kind of live in the same place still. I
Speaker 1: think there's like but when everyone's like fully spread out
Speaker 1: across the country, no one's in the same place. To
Speaker 1: travel twice in one year for a friend, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is crazy to me.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny? Actually, am I a grum? No,
Speaker 2: You're not a grump. And this is what I'll say
Speaker 2: about it. I and I mean this. I mean this genuinely.
Speaker 1: I have never.
Speaker 2: Not I have never begrudgingly attended a bachel rep party,
Speaker 2: and personally speaking as a guest, I'm always like excited
Speaker 2: that I get to take a trip. However, if I
Speaker 2: were to do one, my guilt that someone is begrudgingly
Speaker 2: attending would be so great that I could not enjoy myself.
Speaker 2: It is much more self inflicted than like speaking from
Speaker 2: my own experience as an attendee, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't I can't think or a bachelor party I've
Speaker 2: been to where I've been Like, I can't believe this
Speaker 2: bitch is making me do this, Like I have to
Speaker 2: take off of work usually it's actually like a nice break.
Speaker 2: But again, if I did it, I would be I
Speaker 2: would be legitimately constantly apologizing in a way that would
Speaker 2: annoy everyone. I'd be like and thank you. I know
Speaker 2: that everyone has a lot to do and think you
Speaker 2: so much for being here, and oh no, of course
Speaker 2: I'll just like put this bill like no need to pay,
Speaker 2: and then I would just make things awkward for everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm very like I'm just gonna go by myself,
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to go to the beach and like
Speaker 1: read a book and you guys have fun. Or combine it.
Speaker 2: For example, let's say you're already going to a gate
Speaker 2: like a Peetown trip and you have it every year.
Speaker 2: Let's say it's the year that you're getting married, do
Speaker 2: a big dinner and that's the bachelor dinner.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Or let's say you know you are going to a
Speaker 2: music festival, make that the bachelor party. Like take something
Speaker 2: that's already celebratory and just like put a little sash on,
Speaker 2: have a nice time, because.
Speaker 1: That does make a difference. Yeah, with this col in particular,
Speaker 1: I do hope. I don't know how much lesbians like
Speaker 1: fetishi is straight culture. Yeah, because I do know how
Speaker 1: much gay guys do, and I like could think it's
Speaker 1: funny for gay guys to like, uh, you know, go
Speaker 1: golfing or something like something like really straight guy. I
Speaker 1: could see how that would be sort of erotically charged
Speaker 1: even yeah, fun But I don't know if that's what
Speaker 1: this lesbian is getting over. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: what this lesbian is doing.
Speaker 2: But I do think lesbians fetishi is straight culture, not
Speaker 2: in fetishi is the wrong word.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's erotic for them.
Speaker 2: I think it is like funny in camp, like I
Speaker 2: could imagine I can imagine lesbians, I know, being like
Speaker 2: how funny would it be to literally have a penis
Speaker 2: straw at my bachelor red party? Sure, and to like
Speaker 2: have a sash that says bride and like pinterest font.
Speaker 1: And to answer the question.
Speaker 2: About whether bachel of red parties are still straight or
Speaker 2: if they're camp.
Speaker 1: They're still straight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still like they're obviously camp viewed from a distance.
Speaker 2: But like I hate to say this, like when you
Speaker 2: see a group of you know, blonde women that are
Speaker 2: at a batch red party, they are evil, Like there's
Speaker 2: something in their eyes. They are out for blood.
Speaker 1: It's scary.
Speaker 2: It's scary, and it's honestly scarier than men at a
Speaker 2: bachelor party.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: Like a group of lightly drunk women in a limo
Speaker 2: that are going from one event to another in Nashville,
Speaker 2: they will murder you. And it's very rare that women
Speaker 2: are more evil than men.
Speaker 1: They're never find your They are organized, by the way,
Speaker 1: because one of them, it's like Rebecca and she's the
Speaker 1: one with a spreadshoot and she's like, okay, so we
Speaker 1: did murder someone. Here's step one and she is like,
Speaker 1: just cut up the arms and legs. The ravine is
Speaker 1: on the way to the club, so we can just
Speaker 1: drop it in the water, just drop it off.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the limo drivers right there, but all of them
Speaker 2: are like, he's not gonna say anything, right, No. I
Speaker 2: think that it's really scary what happens. It's really scary
Speaker 2: what happens psychically, and it's also it makes you think
Speaker 2: what if women were able to channel that into like
Speaker 2: maybe assassinating a political figure.
Speaker 1: Well, we need more female assassins. I've always said it's true,
Speaker 1: Just don't assassinate Amanda Seafree.
Speaker 2: No stick to like evil guys. I don't kill Bill mode,
Speaker 2: although I have to say she was not a girl's girl.
Speaker 2: She assassinated all her female friends as well.
Speaker 1: Do you know she's an equal opportunity offender. That's right,
Speaker 1: kill Bill. Beatrice Kiddo was the first equal opportunity of bender.
Speaker 6: So what's going on with George's hair? Did he hair
Speaker 6: transplant or has he just been doing ball? Guys still
Speaker 6: in Valor for like all this time? We need to
Speaker 6: know nobody.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love this.
Speaker 2: I just want to say I did not get a
Speaker 2: hair transplant, but I have absolute no judgment to those
Speaker 2: who do. Some of my best friends legitimately have gotten
Speaker 2: them in the recent past.
Speaker 1: And actually someone I know and I won't.
Speaker 2: Say who went to Greece to get one recently, which
Speaker 2: I didn't even know it was discounted in Greece.
Speaker 1: I had heard of Turkey, but I never heard, of
Speaker 1: course a new Turkey. And I've even heard South Korea.
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. What about North Korea? I've also now
Speaker 2: heard through no, through someone else who I'm not gonna mention,
Speaker 2: there is a person in La that three people you
Speaker 2: know have gone to really yes, wow, two of them
Speaker 2: have been on this podcast. What yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: I first of all, I love you being accused of this.
Speaker 2: I also think it does speak to the like normalizing
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: I think it used to be such a weird, crazy thing,
Speaker 1: and now it's like people, everyone I know is a
Speaker 1: hair transplant influencer. I love that it's normalized. Yeah, me too,
Speaker 1: It's cool.
Speaker 2: I think I worry sometimes about some of the results
Speaker 2: that I'm seeing. Really, there are some hairlines. I think
Speaker 2: people are getting a little too confident and being like,
Speaker 2: what if the hairline is like an inch from my eyebrow,
Speaker 2: it has to still look normal.
Speaker 1: Stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.
Speaker 1: That's correct.
Speaker 2: So I did not get a hair transplant, and I would,
Speaker 2: you know, I would assume that would be obvious based
Speaker 2: on the fact that it has happened gradually. It's sort
Speaker 2: of not all at once. But yeah, I just sort of.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I was never stealing bald valor
Speaker 2: because I was never bald.
Speaker 1: It was I had a busk. I was a buzz
Speaker 1: cut and you could see the hair on top. It
Speaker 1: was just buzzed. It is interesting. I think maybe you're underestimating,
Speaker 1: like the way it was short like the way it
Speaker 1: was buzzed. It did look like maybe it's like a
Speaker 1: balding thing, and you're just like getting ahead of it.
Speaker 2: I must say one thing, which is that already I
Speaker 2: look at photos of myself from the last eight years
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I can't believe I looked like that
Speaker 2: for eight years.
Speaker 1: I feel so much.
Speaker 2: I actually think I look so much better with long hair,
Speaker 2: and it it's crazy that, for whatever reason I decided
Speaker 2: for eight year it was it was like inertia. It
Speaker 2: was just kind of like, Okay, well, this is what
Speaker 2: I do. This is what I asked for. When I
Speaker 2: get a haircut. It seems like such a more deal
Speaker 2: to grow it out, and I'm like, why the fuck
Speaker 2: was I doing that? I mean, it looked good for
Speaker 2: the records, well, I think day to day I felt
Speaker 2: like I looked fine. But even now, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: forced to constantly watch clips of myself because I'm promoting
Speaker 2: the special, and I'm like, that looks bad, Like I
Speaker 2: should have hair.
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't seeing your hair now. It was
Speaker 1: an interesting choice. I knew you had hair, but I
Speaker 1: was like, but maybe, like I was like, because you
Speaker 1: would describe it like Oh, you know it's so difficult
Speaker 1: because it's thick. Yeah, and now I'm seeing it, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's not that difficult. It's literally like it's normal hair.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I think what it was is the last time I
Speaker 2: really had longer hair, I was younger and more insecure
Speaker 2: in general, and every little thing that was imperfect, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, well I look bad, Like this looks bad.
Speaker 1: I need to fixure out the right haircut.
Speaker 2: And now I'm kind of like, I'm aware that it's
Speaker 2: sort of uneven and I I don't have product in it,
Speaker 2: and I don't I don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no one is no one.
Speaker 2: Notices, I mean, and it's more affordable. By the way,
Speaker 2: I was getting haircuts every two weeks.
Speaker 1: Oh, and I know you weren't going cheap. I've had
Speaker 1: this happen before, where someone who like is ball presenting
Speaker 1: like suddenly just grows their hair out, and it does
Speaker 1: freak me out, Like I get why people are like, wait.
Speaker 2: What it's also I have to say, uh, it is,
Speaker 2: hair in general is something that like makes people excited,
Speaker 2: like I've never gotten Every single time I post anything,
Speaker 2: I get fifteen dms that are like okay.
Speaker 1: Hair, hair, Okay, hair, what's going on with your hair?
Speaker 1: Hair looks?
Speaker 2: Hair looks fab hair looks amazing, by the way, And
Speaker 2: I think the same thing would happen if I were
Speaker 2: to go the other way, right, if if you were
Speaker 2: to buzz your head, people be like, Okay, love the buzz.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: It's like, because you know what it is, I'm having
Speaker 2: this realization. It's one of the few appearance based things
Speaker 2: that is more neutral.
Speaker 1: We're still allowed to comment on.
Speaker 2: Literally, you can't talk about someone losing or gaining weight.
Speaker 2: You can't talk about someone getting plastic surgery, you can't
Speaker 2: talk about like. It really is one of the very
Speaker 2: very few things that is safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if only we could get taller and shorter, then
Speaker 1: we could.
Speaker 2: Talk about now well scream materialists.
Speaker 12: Wow, Okay, Okay, So I already sent another one, but
Speaker 12: I stuttered.
Speaker 15: And I hung up.
Speaker 8: But I don't know if you actually got it. And
Speaker 8: I'm scared, but I'm gonna ask the same question.
Speaker 12: So today, it's going to be in a lot of
Speaker 12: movies this year, and a lot of people are already
Speaker 12: predicting that there's going to be discourse asking why she's
Speaker 12: in every movie. Is there any conversation that's already happened
Speaker 12: in the past that you see making a comeback this year.
Speaker 1: Sorry, a lot of people, a lot of people are
Speaker 1: predicting there is gonna be this of course about Zenda
Speaker 1: being in too many movies is one of the most
Speaker 1: amazing gig Guy sentences I've heard in my life. It's
Speaker 1: like I'm monitoring the situation and the markets are saying
Speaker 1: that there is going to be discourse. I repeat, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be discourse about Zendia being in too many movies.
Speaker 1: It's also Trump, It's gig Guy Trump. It's a lot
Speaker 1: of people are saying there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: particularly so amazing to confidently be like a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Just I want everyone to be prepared. A lot of
Speaker 1: people are saying.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be discourse about Zendia being into many movies.
Speaker 2: That aside, what discourse do you think is gonna make
Speaker 2: a comeback?
Speaker 1: I mean it's all dark sure, Like discourse is never fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give a playful discourse.
Speaker 2: Right well, I mean one of the big ones that's
Speaker 2: making a comeback is like, is racism good or bad?
Speaker 1: One of the big ones that's coming back is like
Speaker 1: not seeing enough people posting about this, oh church in
Speaker 1: a way where I'm like, I cannot believe we're doing
Speaker 1: that again. I know, like evening like like I saw
Speaker 1: a tweet. This is kind of informed by a tweet.
Speaker 1: But somebody was like shared like a Billie Eilish thing
Speaker 1: where she's like looking to my other celebrities, why aren't
Speaker 1: people posting? And somebody was like, it's such an American
Speaker 1: concept for people wanting celebrities specifically to like post, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's like it obviously, this is like a very
Speaker 1: important time and we need to be making our voices heard.
Speaker 1: But there's more ways to make your voice heard than
Speaker 1: just posting to stories and and so it's like such
Speaker 1: a funny like they didn't post the stories, they don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's like we went through this already and it
Speaker 1: was so clearly the wrong way of thinking completely, and
Speaker 1: I think we learned that I thought we did. And
Speaker 1: it's so back. It's so back.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: What's related to that is critiquing wearing a pin to
Speaker 2: an award show. Yeah, and I think being like, well
Speaker 2: a pin means nothing, or posting a you know, a
Speaker 2: block of tech or something means nothing. It's like, yes,
Speaker 2: it is a show of solidarity. It's like having a
Speaker 2: bumper sticker. Like, no one is arguing that a pin
Speaker 2: is going to make material change. Yeah, in fact, you're
Speaker 2: the dumb one for assuming that's what they thought they
Speaker 2: were doing.
Speaker 1: Like if a celebrity.
Speaker 2: Is wearing a ice outpin at sun Dance, that is
Speaker 2: just a small gesture they are doing to show that
Speaker 2: they care, and that's it. It is not worthy of critique. Well,
Speaker 2: it's sort of.
Speaker 1: Like both of the It's like the conversation around like
Speaker 1: corporate pride, which I do think has like very much
Speaker 1: died down. And part of that is obviously because corporations
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, we're gonna stop like fashion stems back,
Speaker 1: We're not doing pride anymore. And so now it's like
Speaker 1: this whole thing of like now I wonder if the
Speaker 1: discourse that will come back as being like we need
Speaker 1: corporations to support pride again, which is like it is
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like both sides of
Speaker 1: that critique are stupid and I don't know what is right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I in terms of discord is coming back. I
Speaker 2: also want to say I have done something really shocking recently,
Speaker 2: which is that I join Threads. I'm not posting on
Speaker 2: it or using it really, but what happens is, when
Speaker 2: you're scrolling on Instagram, you'll get a suggested one and
Speaker 2: curiosity will get me, and then I'll click on it,
Speaker 2: and then it'll take me to the threads homepage.
Speaker 1: Curiosity has almost gotten me, and.
Speaker 2: Then I'll scroll for maybe two minutes, and the things
Speaker 2: that are happening in threads are shocking. I don't know
Speaker 2: how to even express what I'm seeing. It is like
Speaker 2: a bacchanall of sort of it's like cancel culture drag.
Speaker 2: It's like no one's heart is in it, but every
Speaker 2: single hour they are canceling a new person.
Speaker 1: It is so weird.
Speaker 2: And of course, you know, it's kind of like fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty, like fifty percent of the time. I'm like, oh, sure,
Speaker 2: this person sucks fifty percent of the time. It's like
Speaker 2: completely random, but the tone is the same, and it's
Speaker 2: almost like people are ravenous for that kind of like
Speaker 2: gladiator like environment.
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, it was like a brain exercise, like it
Speaker 1: was like fun to sort of examine why or why
Speaker 1: not someone should be canceled. It's like freelance lawyering completely.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I can like look at this thing
Speaker 1: they posted in twenty seventeen, but then look at what
Speaker 1: they didn't say this. Yeah, and it's like so confirmed
Speaker 1: case they are bad.
Speaker 2: There's also I don't know how people don't get that
Speaker 2: they're coming across even if they are in the right morally,
Speaker 2: the act of like making a three minute video explaining
Speaker 2: why someone is bad, you are engaging in the logics
Speaker 2: of social media that are ruining the world. Like you are.
Speaker 2: You are like occupying this like real housewife in a
Speaker 2: confessional tone that is quite simply not how anything will
Speaker 2: be solved. It's definitionally it's not how anything will be solved.
Speaker 2: Like you are succumbing to the kind of behavior that
Speaker 2: the algorithm wants you just to come to. You think
Speaker 2: you're being the good one. Yeah, and it like is
Speaker 2: enough to make me like there was people were coming
Speaker 2: for Whitney Cummings because she said something about miss Rachel.
Speaker 1: That sort of goes to show you where we are
Speaker 1: time wise right now. And to be fair, Whitney Comings
Speaker 1: is kind off the deep end.
Speaker 2: No, no, completely, but that's the thing is like, we know
Speaker 2: she's off the deep end. Okay, she has been off
Speaker 2: the deep end for years. It is concerning. Yeah, However,
Speaker 2: what happens is she'll say something and then people are like, oh, perfect,
Speaker 2: this is an amazing entryway for me to actually do
Speaker 2: my big monologue about how Whitney Comings is off the
Speaker 2: deep end. But then then you're doing your three minute
Speaker 2: monologue and you sound like a crazy person, yeah, because
Speaker 2: you sound like you're hearing voices.
Speaker 1: And then she shares it and is like, actually, that's
Speaker 1: not what I meant, and you're like, she's like bolstering
Speaker 1: her fan base. It's just all like you're all playing
Speaker 1: into the game completely.
Speaker 2: You can be the good one, but you have to
Speaker 2: recognize yours all the good one within a reality show
Speaker 2: that is produced by Lucifer.
Speaker 1: His name is Mark Zuckerberg. So that was amazing. But
Speaker 1: for the record, post post post everybody, For the record,
Speaker 1: post post posts. Please share our reels. Never stop posting.
Speaker 1: Repost our tour dates, yes, yes, comment, Oh my.
Speaker 2: God, please like in comment engagement Yeah, let's wait. We
Speaker 2: need to get her engagement. Seriously, you guys.
Speaker 1: Comment. That's why George is going out his hair to
Speaker 1: get engagement up.
Speaker 11: George Patrick in Deluth, Minnesota, got a wedding related question.
Speaker 14: If you feel like you haven't that too much. My
Speaker 14: boyfriend and I.
Speaker 1: Have his voice, I have a.
Speaker 11: Boner recently and buy a house together. So most people assume,
Speaker 11: or a lot of people assume that wedding is next,
Speaker 11: or even a lot of people. We are already married
Speaker 11: and we're not in a huge hurry. But honestly, when
Speaker 11: I think about the idea of marriage, getting married, being married,
Speaker 11: one of the more exciting ideas is the possibility of,
Speaker 11: you know, incorporating some fasteful jewelry into our respective looks
Speaker 11: ie wedding band. So I was wondering how you two
Speaker 11: have navigated that in your respective mary lives, because obviously
Speaker 11: a wedding band traditionally a symbol of a woman being married,
Speaker 11: and it.
Speaker 14: Seems like.
Speaker 11: Traditional wedding bands are different for men and women, but
Speaker 11: for gay guys.
Speaker 1: Or is that the end of the call? Oh, I
Speaker 1: think that's the end of the call. Huh, Well, maybe
Speaker 1: he got cut off.
Speaker 2: But first of all, shout out to Duluth, Minnesota, and
Speaker 2: shout out to Minnesota in general.
Speaker 1: That's all same. Yeah, yeah, shout out to Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: Of course maybe yeah, what about that? Okay, So basically,
Speaker 2: what is our relationship to our wedding bands? So I
Speaker 2: agree that it is like one of the more appealing
Speaker 2: parts of marriage.
Speaker 1: I love it. It's like one of the It's like,
Speaker 1: first of all, inherently hot. It implies that you're married.
Speaker 2: It implies that you're married. That's something people don't tell
Speaker 2: you about wedding bands.
Speaker 1: And when you are a man wearing one, it sort
Speaker 1: of implies you're straight. Yeah, so it's sort of like,
Speaker 1: who's the straight guy touching me? It's so.
Speaker 2: Like, I can't describe how much I love wearing a
Speaker 2: wedding band. It has like changed my entire swagger, especially
Speaker 2: like at the gym, taking it on and off and
Speaker 2: putting it in my locker. I know you're someone who lifts,
Speaker 2: but like I, I worry about scratching it.
Speaker 1: So I'll take it off.
Speaker 2: And then I'll put it back on in the locker room,
Speaker 2: and I'll see people being like, oh, what's going on there?
Speaker 2: I thought he was pretty queenie in the in the
Speaker 2: weight room.
Speaker 1: This whole time he's married to a woman.
Speaker 2: This whole time, he's ready to a woman. Her name
Speaker 2: is Amber and they live in Duluth, Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I love this. I just to have to go back.
Speaker 1: I love the gay guys live in Duluth.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, It's It's the biggest dream I can imagine.
Speaker 1: I have, Like my cousins and aunt and uncle live
Speaker 1: in a suburb of Minneapolis, and one of them went
Speaker 1: to college in Duluth. And I was always like Duluth
Speaker 1: and what's going on there? And I've of course never been,
Speaker 1: but I'm like to hear the gay guys live there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to go on a vacation there.
Speaker 2: We should go to Duluth. We need to do a
Speaker 2: mini tour of just different venues in Duluth.
Speaker 1: I absolutely need that. And the way that I want
Speaker 1: to draw this man, send us a photo of what
Speaker 1: you look like.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to address I went thin with my
Speaker 2: wedding band. You went thick, and I think each of
Speaker 2: them suits us, and there's no neither is better. I
Speaker 2: just think like you were meant to go thick and
Speaker 2: I was meant to go thin.
Speaker 1: Well, and to be fair, I mean you probably put
Speaker 1: more thought into it. I sort of like try it
Speaker 1: on like two and like, sure me too. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was like, I I almost, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think I would make a different decision if I thought
Speaker 1: about it more, But I wish I had thought about
Speaker 1: it more so I could say like I thought for
Speaker 1: weeks about what the right size is. No, I thought.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I almost I would say I regret
Speaker 2: my decision, but I'm the more time past, the more
Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe I should have gone thicker. My thing
Speaker 2: was like this is so gig guy insecurity. I was
Speaker 2: sort of like, if I go too thick, it'll be
Speaker 2: like I'm being no homo, It'll be like I meaning
Speaker 2: like I'm getting married, but I'm masculine. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: I have to embrace my femininity and just like be
Speaker 2: comfortable going like almost like women's thickness. Yeah, but I
Speaker 2: do think there's some there is more gravitazed with a
Speaker 2: thicker band. I will say say it, I don't love
Speaker 2: non traditional wedding bands.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do it, get a traditional tradition, you're
Speaker 1: gonna regret it. If you get a funky one, don't
Speaker 1: get a steampunk one. Don't get us, don't get like,
Speaker 1: don't I'm sorry. The thing that's tough about talking about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's sort of the glasses conversation all over again. There's
Speaker 1: so many people that just do have these of course,
Speaker 1: and they're listening and they're like, what the fuck, and
Speaker 1: they're like, I'm committed to this for essentially my life, cletely.
Speaker 2: And also they're we're doing the thing where they're overhearing
Speaker 2: a conversation. Yeah, and they're like, oh, that means even
Speaker 2: more than someone telling me to my face.
Speaker 1: So I'm actually trying to be respectful. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, if you're starting new, first of all, whatever
Speaker 1: decision you made is right for you in your family exactly.
Speaker 1: But if you're starting new, I would say go traditional.
Speaker 1: I think you will not regret it up there in Duluth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: That would be my That would be my suggestion if
Speaker 2: you are a gay guy with a really hot voice
Speaker 2: that lives in Duluth.
Speaker 1: Okay, put us on the close friends.
Speaker 11: Since I'm in George.
Speaker 7: I'm wondering what you think stand up can teach other
Speaker 7: art mediums and what can other art mediums teach stand up?
Speaker 2: Thanks by Okay, I actually have an answrop the top
Speaker 2: of my head for this. Something I really like about
Speaker 2: stand up is that there's no such thing as legitimate
Speaker 2: stand up and outsider art. Stand up, like any any
Speaker 2: stand up you see counts as stand up basically just
Speaker 2: as much. Yeah, Whereas if you are a painter, you
Speaker 2: sort of have to be like represented by a gallery
Speaker 2: and showing at at shows that are covered by the
Speaker 2: art press to be like, Okay, well that's the art world.
Speaker 2: And then there's outsider art, which is a different thing,
Speaker 2: and it's like maybe like more punk rock and more
Speaker 2: you know, you have to like really look to find it,
Speaker 2: and there's like a difference. And I think kind of
Speaker 2: same with theater, where there's like there's theater that's in
Speaker 2: major theaters, and then there's like, you know, someone doing
Speaker 2: like an underground thing at like an events space and
Speaker 2: their you know cousin does the lighting or whatever. There's
Speaker 2: something about stand up where even if you're at an
Speaker 2: open mic in a bar in Queens, that legitimately just
Speaker 2: is stand up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that there's like egalitarian ethos.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that the people that are successful
Speaker 2: don't suddenly make like a shit ton of money and
Speaker 2: there's like inequality and stuff, but like there is something
Speaker 2: I think also the lack of training goes into this,
Speaker 2: like there's no such thing as like.
Speaker 1: An MFA and stand up, Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 2: And so I think the kind of anything goes ethos
Speaker 2: I think could be useful in.
Speaker 1: Other art forms. I like that anything goes ethos. I
Speaker 1: like the but I think other mediums could learn is
Speaker 1: the sort of like work in progressness of stand up,
Speaker 1: where it's like any night you can be like and
Speaker 1: I'm going to try like these two things and see
Speaker 1: if there's anything there, like trying things in front of people.
Speaker 1: And I know you can't like paint in front of people,
Speaker 1: but I do think there's something so freeing about the
Speaker 1: immediate knowing if it's like expressing the way you thought
Speaker 1: it would in your mind. And that's my favorite part.
Speaker 1: And I wish that other mediums could experience that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I also think engaging with your audience
Speaker 2: in a more direct way is an exciting part of
Speaker 2: stand up that I don't know necessarily if I want
Speaker 2: every art forum to adopt, because I think it's kind
Speaker 2: of nice to have more timeless art that isn't like
Speaker 2: directly engaging with only the points of view of people
Speaker 2: present in one room. Yeah, in terms of things stand
Speaker 2: up can learn from other art forms.
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of the opposite for me, where it's
Speaker 1: like edit, edit, and even like presenting like a finished product.
Speaker 1: I really do with that myself, because it's always so
Speaker 1: working for everything is like, well I could switch this,
Speaker 1: and I could switch this and that. Who knows, in
Speaker 1: two years maybe I'll have something for that. And I
Speaker 1: really respect that other art forms go away. They're like
Speaker 1: I'm working on this idea for two years and then
Speaker 1: I'm putting it out.
Speaker 2: Yes, and now it's the big launch we're having, like
Speaker 2: the opening there's like little glasses of champagne. This is
Speaker 2: the body of work that I have been working on
Speaker 2: for the last like nine to eighteen months.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is like sort of ignoring almost
Speaker 1: audience reactions sometimes and being like it's more important that
Speaker 1: I'm expressing myself than that I'm getting a bigger audience,
Speaker 1: whereas like stand up, it's so not that. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think that's true, and you can see it when
Speaker 1: people get addicted only to audience reactions, they like forget
Speaker 1: who they are.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I want to say something about stand up that
Speaker 2: I like is unless you're like, you know, taping a
Speaker 2: special or something. Usually you're not the only person on
Speaker 2: a lineup. Even if you are touring by yourself, you'll
Speaker 2: have an opener or or there'll be like in a
Speaker 2: comedy club, there'll be like a host and then an
Speaker 2: opener and then you and then of course in most
Speaker 2: stand up shows, if you're not like a big celeb,
Speaker 2: it's like a lineup that's anywhere between like four to
Speaker 2: seven people. And there is a communal element that I think,
Speaker 2: especially other writers don't have. Yeah, Like, it's so many
Speaker 2: other forms of art are very isolating because you're like
Speaker 2: by yourself creating. You have no feedback, you have no
Speaker 2: one backstage being like that bit was really good? What
Speaker 2: if you added that at the end. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 2: kind of nice.
Speaker 1: No, that is nice.
Speaker 16: Hey boys, it's Kevin from San Diego. First, I just
Speaker 16: want to say that you guys are looking especially hot recently. Congratulations.
Speaker 17: I was hoping that you would weigh in on a
Speaker 17: prompt I was disgusting with my boyfriend, which is how
Speaker 17: do we order forms of protest on the spectrum of
Speaker 17: straight to gay.
Speaker 7: We decided that signs on a highway overpass are straight
Speaker 7: donations to the ACL. You are a gay guy and
Speaker 7: rest as an act of resistance? Is NB demisexual?
Speaker 3: What was.
Speaker 1: Damn ist of their ass? Shout out?
Speaker 2: Interestingly, I actually think this hot voice is more George
Speaker 2: coded and the dluthe hot voice is more Stam coded.
Speaker 1: Well, of course this hot voice is funny because it's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite types of gay guy, which is
Speaker 1: like exasperated already and like I'm so tired of what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: No, it's also just like sorry, my brain is going
Speaker 2: on my limited because I'm so smart, and like I
Speaker 2: could explain further, but you probably wouldn't get it. But
Speaker 2: this is like kind of the basic level of what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, and like you know, obviously there's like a
Speaker 2: lot more.
Speaker 1: Going on up there.
Speaker 2: And the reason why I wasn't able to finish grad
Speaker 2: school because I thought too much. Okay, so I have this.
Speaker 2: I made a little list on my uber on the
Speaker 2: way here of different forms of protests and I want
Speaker 2: to read it and we can.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what I have. This is in
Speaker 1: no particular order.
Speaker 2: Attending a rally or march, Community organizing domestic terrorism, radical
Speaker 2: self care, posting an infographic, donating to a nonprofit, donating
Speaker 2: to a GoFundMe, canvassing for a political candidate, reading a book,
Speaker 2: sharing a reading list, participating in a boycott, and finally
Speaker 2: presenting an academic paper at a conference called Subaltern Body
Speaker 2: of Subterranean Spaces. And so maybe we could Well that's
Speaker 2: a giant list. I know we can't really, I don't
Speaker 2: want to rank them, but maybe we go one by
Speaker 2: one and just do like straight gay, or by.
Speaker 1: One that jumped out to okay, yeah, let's go through.
Speaker 2: The attending a rally or march to me that's straight
Speaker 2: but not in a bad way, just like in a
Speaker 2: like sixties, you know, like we're protesting the Vietnam War.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like your kid and it's like this
Speaker 1: is fun and the kid is like dressed up as
Speaker 1: I don't know, and it's very it's like family friendly.
Speaker 1: It's wholesome.
Speaker 2: It is it's also very much like it is our
Speaker 2: right as Americans to protest. It's like it's a patriotic
Speaker 2: duty to protest. It's a little it's a mini Fourth
Speaker 2: of July. Yes, okay, community organizing gay gay it's communal.
Speaker 1: It is like uh un non hierarchical. It's also like
Speaker 1: first we're gonna all get together and like serve soup,
Speaker 1: then we go to the party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Okay, it's also so inclusive. Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: domestic terrorism. This is a tough one because I think
Speaker 2: on the one hand, you have like one battle after another,
Speaker 2: Leo being so kind of like toxic guy.
Speaker 1: But then I think domestic terrorism is straight. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think so too, because gay people like it's they're like
Speaker 1: all talk. Gay people are like, I'm gonna blow that
Speaker 1: building up, and then it's like, okay, like when do
Speaker 1: you want want to do it? And they're like they're like,
Speaker 1: I have dinner. Yeah, They're like my my gym membership
Speaker 1: actually is like goes until the end of the year,
Speaker 1: So I don't want to do it until that's over.
Speaker 1: I get my money's work before I blow up the
Speaker 1: big data center. I actually, yeah, I think I are
Speaker 1: kind of willing to throw it all away in a
Speaker 1: different way.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I also think what we're saying is like
Speaker 2: morally neutral. But I also just simply think thinking about
Speaker 2: things in a warlike way is straight.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, radical self care Okay, obviously that's gay.
Speaker 1: Well, because gave me love this thing, which I love
Speaker 1: where they're like, well, I already came out of the closet,
Speaker 1: Like do you know how hard it was for me
Speaker 1: in high school? Completely? So now like when things are
Speaker 1: really hard, like the most radical thing you can do
Speaker 1: is like wash my face. Yes.
Speaker 2: And also on the other side of things, of course,
Speaker 2: there's also the stereotype of like I'm sorry, but a
Speaker 2: liberal white woman reading Audrey Lord and getting all the
Speaker 2: wrong drawing all the wrong conclusions from it and being
Speaker 2: like going to get a massage and then a pedicure
Speaker 2: and then a facial is basically like blowing up a
Speaker 2: data center.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it can you know, it can be straight
Speaker 1: in that way. That's true.
Speaker 2: Posting an infographic this is tough. This is tough because
Speaker 2: it's everyone. This is I'm trying to think who I
Speaker 2: see do this more? I know in like the negative way,
Speaker 2: like who does it wrong?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you who's not posting an infographic. Straight men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's mostly straight women and the LGBTQ plus straight
Speaker 2: men are posting infographics, but they're about like basketball stats.
Speaker 2: They're like, can you believe this is the first guy
Speaker 2: to ever have this many blah blah blah in the
Speaker 2: in the off season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, I think the infographic doesn't like fit
Speaker 1: with their eyes in the same way.
Speaker 2: There's something even though you would think an infographic, because
Speaker 2: it's data based and numbers based, is more masculine, because
Speaker 2: you know, of course men can only understand things when
Speaker 2: they're they're numbers. But I think what it is is
Speaker 2: that infographics are always a little misleading.
Speaker 1: They tell they tell a story.
Speaker 2: They tell a story, so it's much more storytelling than
Speaker 2: just bar chart. Yeah, so maybe it's straight woman.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's straight woman, all.
Speaker 2: Right, donating to a nonprofit versus I mean this is easy.
Speaker 2: Donating to a nonprofit is straight? Go fund me is gay?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes. Canvassing for a political candidate that is straighter, yea.
Speaker 2: I think that's straight in the way that attending a
Speaker 2: rally or march is straight. I think it's still like
Speaker 2: believes in the system, he believes this, which again good,
Speaker 2: you should canvas for a progressive candidate you believe in,
Speaker 2: but it is it is a respectable way to get involved. Yeah,
Speaker 2: reading a book and and versus sharing a reading list, those.
Speaker 1: Are sort of the two that were sharing a reading
Speaker 1: list to me, is actually straighter. I agree, it's du
Speaker 1: alipa completely and reading a book is exactly reading a
Speaker 1: book without posting about it. That's like, that's like tender queer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I'm actually, I really it's not performative,
Speaker 1: and I really believe in this and I want to learn.
Speaker 1: I just want to be better. I just want to
Speaker 1: be better. I'm in grad school.
Speaker 2: I'm like doing my book club, and I've also the
Speaker 2: scary thing of I actually stilluzling on social media. Took
Speaker 2: it to heart, and I'm now going to do the homework. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm almost done. Participating in a boycott.
Speaker 1: This is interesting. Yeah, it's tough. So at the time
Speaker 1: we're recording, there's uh, the boycott is supposed to be
Speaker 1: on Friday, Oh the general strike general strike, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: which is different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess maybe we could add, like, yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: we could add participating in a strike. Boycott is interesting
Speaker 2: because it's like the implication is like put your money
Speaker 2: where your mouth is. Boycott to me reminds me of like,
Speaker 2: for example, gay guys canceling their Equinox subscriptions because the
Speaker 2: CEO is right wing. Also so it's you know, in
Speaker 2: a more meaningful way, it's people participating in bds. It
Speaker 2: is saying, like, I am making a choice that materially
Speaker 2: impacts a company that is on the wrong side of.
Speaker 1: Things boycotting at this point. The way that I mean
Speaker 1: part of the issue with our world is the way
Speaker 1: that it works is that like, all the corporations are
Speaker 1: so gigantic that literally getting like let's say, five thousand
Speaker 1: people to cancel their subscription does not affect them at all.
Speaker 1: They literally won't notice. And so it is confusing because before, like,
Speaker 1: a boycott is an amazing way. If you're like, this
Speaker 1: factory in town produces a thing that's bad, we're all
Speaker 1: gonna boycott it. Now, I'm like, so wait, we'd have
Speaker 1: to get like a million people to cancel this for
Speaker 1: them to notice at all. I know.
Speaker 2: It's funny. One of the elements of the concentration of
Speaker 2: wealth is that a boycott of a small business works
Speaker 2: much better than the boycott of like, oh, large proporation.
Speaker 1: So, like, let's say there's.
Speaker 2: A small coffee shop that is being accused of having
Speaker 2: bad labor practices, but it's owned by three people, and
Speaker 2: maybe one of them is evil, but like, ultimately they
Speaker 2: are doing their best that will be shut down by
Speaker 2: a boycott. Oh yeah, but then like Amazon will never
Speaker 2: be shut down by a boycott.
Speaker 1: It's obviously And I'm sorry to be like cynical, but
Speaker 1: it's like this is it's such a it's why things
Speaker 1: are so bad, Like it's so hard to make an impact.
Speaker 1: And I think it's good that people are trying, of course,
Speaker 1: but I'm sort of like, I don't do anything.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: The other thing is when people are like, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: when people are like we're boycotting on Friday if not
Speaker 1: the strike. If people when there was like we're doing
Speaker 1: a boycott, yeah day, I'm like, well, who's buying that much?
Speaker 1: Every day? Like I personally like every day is a boycott,
Speaker 1: Like I shop so little. I'm sort of like, I'm
Speaker 1: not like it's it's literally no material sacrifice for me
Speaker 1: to boycott on a given day. Yeah. I did have
Speaker 1: a moment.
Speaker 2: I was like during the Starbucks strike when people were like,
Speaker 2: boycott Starbucks during the during the strike, I was I
Speaker 2: was like, well, that's a simple enough thing, and I
Speaker 2: was like really taking it to heart. And then I
Speaker 2: was at the airport and there was like a giant
Speaker 2: line at Starbucks. I was like, did these people not
Speaker 2: read the news? But it also it was like I
Speaker 2: was just like right there in black and white. I
Speaker 2: was like nothing, I'm doing mad, Like this is yeah,
Speaker 2: there was another shop right next to Starbucks, Like you
Speaker 2: could have just gone to that one.
Speaker 1: We live in a damn bubble. It also is like
Speaker 1: I thought it was so funny. I mean, this was
Speaker 1: like what two months ago when this was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we were I think we were on tour.
Speaker 2: I was on like I was traveling for work, and
Speaker 2: I was like it was always a struggle, not to
Speaker 2: you know martyr myself, but it was always a struggle
Speaker 2: at every airport is the only thing they have a
Speaker 2: Starbucks to find like a non traditional coffee place.
Speaker 1: I thought it was so funny people that like live
Speaker 1: in La Yeah, like we're posting like their non Starbucks coffee.
Speaker 1: I mean, like that all it's not that easy, y'all.
Speaker 1: Like we got to get out there and not buy Starbucks.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you're living in a city and
Speaker 1: you're buying Starbucks, Like, I'm sorry, but Starbucks is for airport.
Speaker 1: Why did you buy that? Ever, I was like this
Speaker 1: is like, you're actually revealing something deeper and more insidious,
Speaker 1: which is you go to Starbucks when you live in
Speaker 1: your Starbucks drinking, reveal something evil and more sinister. What
Speaker 1: is the quote from nataman fall? Yeah, reveal something selfish? Selfish? Oh,
Speaker 1: I forget Oh exactly, we'll put the clip in here. No,
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I had to really laugh at myself because as this
Speaker 2: was happening, I was like, well, this is impacting me
Speaker 2: more than anyone because I'm at airports. Like if I
Speaker 2: was at home, I would never be forced to make
Speaker 2: the choice.
Speaker 1: About George should have gotten extra points for boycotting harder.
Speaker 2: Extra Starbucks points. I'll send you my my user I
Speaker 2: d okay. And then last one sorry, last one is,
Speaker 2: of course, presenting an academic paper at a conference called
Speaker 2: Subaltern Body of Subterranean.
Speaker 1: Spaces, Hell's LGBTQ plus you guys, I'm pro the strike,
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm pro like all of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I sometimes worry that because we like to make fun
Speaker 2: of people similar to us, we come across as bubble. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we come across as somehow like rejecting that the consensu
Speaker 2: of the bubble. You will not find two gay guys
Speaker 2: more pro boycotting and striking than us. We are literally
Speaker 2: ready to start the revolution at any second. Just let
Speaker 2: us know, send the signal and we will be there.
Speaker 1: And I just let me know soon because I have
Speaker 1: to cancel my gym membership before the fifteenth.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I didn't want to cance the mine because
Speaker 2: it would have been performative. And so I actually am
Speaker 2: sort of stuck into I'm stuck in my current plan
Speaker 2: until the end of the year.
Speaker 1: Maybe you cut this too, but I'm like, but like
Speaker 1: with the strike, yes, I have to I have to
Speaker 1: confess something that I said that was completely insane. Please.
Speaker 1: But I was like, so we don't. So we're like
Speaker 1: it's like, don't buy anything and don't go to work.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so a restaurants open, Like they're not
Speaker 1: doing anything wrong, right.
Speaker 2: It's well, you would hope that they would be closed
Speaker 2: because all the workers would be striking, Like if enough people.
Speaker 2: It's not that you're thinking about it as a consumer,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You're thinking like, well, that's because.
Speaker 1: I can't not go to work. I don't have a
Speaker 1: job to go to. And that's an interesting point that
Speaker 1: I have considered. But yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's like it's less like our restaurants open
Speaker 2: and more like if it succeeds, no one will go
Speaker 2: to work. Therefore the economy will be shut down. M
Speaker 2: So maybe get a little get a little ceramic pour
Speaker 2: over thing for your coffee.
Speaker 1: Because oh look, I make my own coffee. Now it's
Speaker 1: the food I'm worried about. I'm gonna start to.
Speaker 18: III. I was just thinking if you had ever considered
Speaker 18: what Lizzo's pass is for actresses, and I'm specifically thinking
Speaker 18: about Sydney Swing me versus Mikey Monroe kind of obvious there,
Speaker 18: and like what that would be? What is what is
Speaker 18: past for actresses?
Speaker 1: Okay, well, well, Diva, we have some bad news.
Speaker 2: It's Mikey Madison not mikeel Monroe. So I think answer
Speaker 2: your own question there.
Speaker 1: I want to say this podcast, you know, on one hand,
Speaker 1: it's about straight culture. On the other hand, it's about
Speaker 1: New York West LA. On a third hand, even it's
Speaker 1: about not knowing actors and actress name. Yes, the fourth
Speaker 1: level is just about Lizzo's past.
Speaker 2: So we did every time we get a lot of
Speaker 2: Lizzo's Pass calls, we did get one about whether Kat's
Speaker 2: I uh is the fastest act ever to choose target
Speaker 2: and whether they were ever at Loso's Pass. We don't
Speaker 2: know enough about Catsie to comment on that, but we
Speaker 2: can comment on whether actresses have Lozo's pass. What is
Speaker 2: your take as the inventor of Lizzo's Past. I think
Speaker 2: I think they definitely do. But the thing with them
Speaker 2: is it's confusing because Sidney Sweeney, for example, like, I
Speaker 2: think it's so easy to be like she's target.
Speaker 1: She's targeted. She target because she's doing like every ad possible,
Speaker 1: Like she is doing ads for products I didn't even
Speaker 1: know existed. But then she'll also be in like the
Speaker 1: Weirdest Movie where it's like, yep, she plays a lesbian
Speaker 1: wrestlers and boxer. I think, if that's it boxer, I
Speaker 1: forget they're different and that no one on earth sees.
Speaker 1: And she was the Reality winner and Jamie Reality Winner,
Speaker 1: Like I'm sort of like Lizzer's pass is more complicated
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 2: Here's the complicated thing with actresses. It is actually much
Speaker 2: easier for your artistic output to be completely different than
Speaker 2: your pop culture celebrity output output as an actor than
Speaker 2: it is as a musician if you're a musician, if
Speaker 2: you're a Chapel Roone and you do a target ad,
Speaker 2: that really is going to affect your brand and how
Speaker 2: people perceive your music. Every prestige actress that has won
Speaker 2: an oscar also does a perfume. You know, a Landcombe
Speaker 2: campaign also does a Super Bowl commercial where she like
Speaker 2: reunites with some when she was in a teen movie
Speaker 2: with I just saw I didn't even know this, but
Speaker 2: I just saw that Kirson Dunston and Gabriel Union did
Speaker 2: an ad where they like reunited for bring It On. Oh,
Speaker 2: and it was like for Google or something like that
Speaker 2: does not affect either of their brands in any way. No,
Speaker 2: So I think Sidney Sweeney is someone who flew too
Speaker 2: close to the sun because she counted on that precedent.
Speaker 2: She was like, well, I can be a reality winner
Speaker 2: and be a lesbian boxer and also do nail polish
Speaker 2: and bath soap. But she like did one too many
Speaker 2: and it like fucked her up. I mean, she did
Speaker 2: so many it even affected her other brand endorsements. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I was like, well, you can't love jeans that
Speaker 2: much because you also love shoes that much. Like, at
Speaker 2: some point you're like loving too many things, and I
Speaker 2: don't believe you. Yeah, it's actually very rare that someone's
Speaker 2: brand life is.
Speaker 1: Coordinated super well with their art.
Speaker 2: I think Gwyneth Paltrow is a really good example of
Speaker 2: someone who somehow has managed to have a coherent brand
Speaker 2: and maintain like like as an actor and as a
Speaker 2: public figure. But then, of course, the other thing with
Speaker 2: actors versus musicians is that you don't create your own
Speaker 2: material as an actor.
Speaker 1: Right, and you almost are lauded for being like I
Speaker 1: can't believe they were able to look like this exactly.
Speaker 1: Like if you actually look shitty in an ad and
Speaker 1: you're doing an ad for like Plato or something, and
Speaker 1: you look like a loser, then you're in like a
Speaker 1: prestige movie. People are almost more impressed because they're like,
Speaker 1: oh I thought they were a loser. Yeah, they actually
Speaker 1: are a lesbian boxer. There is just way more There
Speaker 1: was just much more flexibility. However, that said, that's why
Speaker 1: it's more shocking when someone manages to fuck it up
Speaker 1: so much that they choose target. I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of a good example, like I have a kind of one. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know whose target is Kristin Bell and you know,
Speaker 1: I but it works for her. It works for her.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that's unintented. I don't think Kristin Bell
Speaker 2: wants to be a lesbian boxer.
Speaker 1: It's definitely the goal. But it's confusing because at first,
Speaker 1: like being Veronica Mars, yes, it was like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is like an interesting character, an interesting show. It's kind
Speaker 1: of niche, but it's also mainstream and it's like wow,
Speaker 1: how is this happening? And then so quickly it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you want to literally be a target commercial at all times.
Speaker 2: You know who's like that is Mark Wahlberg, Like he
Speaker 2: started in Boogie Knights, like yeah, if he had gone
Speaker 2: a different direction, he could have been like I guess
Speaker 2: the comparison would be like a Leo because he wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been an indie darling. He would have still been
Speaker 2: like mainstream star but in Prestigio movies. And he decided,
Speaker 2: you know, because he's so crazy like that, he's gonna
Speaker 2: commit to being target and.
Speaker 1: And a pitchfork person who could have gone target and
Speaker 1: was like almost going to Target. Yeah, Nick Cage.
Speaker 2: Yes, he easily could have been Like I would even
Speaker 2: say he chose target and then went back to Lizo's
Speaker 2: past he now on Pitchfork.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think also Emma Stone did that. I think mimic
Speaker 2: Stone went full target with easy a and like all
Speaker 2: her early and crazy stupid lover you kidding me. Imagine
Speaker 2: her doing that now and then just walk right back
Speaker 2: and said never mind, I actually wanted to go this way.
Speaker 2: If he did a quick U turn. Yeah, Amanda sy
Speaker 2: freed from Ama Mia to a testament of Endily, I.
Speaker 1: Mean an amazing point. Yeah. I think it's just the
Speaker 1: the path Lizzo's pass for actors is not nearly as
Speaker 1: icy or treacherous, and you can actually just sort of
Speaker 1: walk back and forth.
Speaker 2: It's a different like part of the game. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: it's a it's a different video game in in with musicians,
Speaker 2: it's like it really is Chapelone in full armor, like
Speaker 2: going hard to get through, and it's hard to get through,
Speaker 2: and there are like snakes, and there are there's trickster
Speaker 2: figures that can accidentally like give you a stink ball
Speaker 2: and then it blows up and suddenly you find yourself
Speaker 2: at target. Whereas you know, with actors, it's much more
Speaker 2: of like a seamless. It's very like paved streets. You're
Speaker 2: in like gentrified Williamsburg and you're kind of like holding your.
Speaker 1: Coffee and on your phone. You took her on and
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, fuck, this is not where I was going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: You're like I had to backtrack? Is gonna take me
Speaker 1: ten minutes?
Speaker 2: Okay, well all right whatever, Like it's fine, I'll just
Speaker 2: be And then you're texting, you're ghosting, like, sorry, I'm
Speaker 2: running fifteen minutes late.
Speaker 1: It's a long story. I'll like, you know, I get away. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I went the wrong wayanded, crazy, stupid love. Isn't that
Speaker 1: so random? I'm gonna tell you all about it. My
Speaker 1: feet are gonna hurt when I get there, So have
Speaker 1: a stool for me.
Speaker 19: Hi, George and Sam, hope you both are doing well
Speaker 19: the pod. George I was the tiff guy had to
Speaker 19: sketch feesh last week. If you remember me, the one
Speaker 19: person who had seen Testa Vanlei in the crowd, just
Speaker 19: want to echo that Testina Vanili was deep robbed. My
Speaker 19: question for you guys is, of all the film festivals,
Speaker 19: which are the gayest and which are the straightest? In
Speaker 19: your opinions, Okay, thank you, love you both.
Speaker 7: Bye.
Speaker 2: I think for simplicity's sake, let's do tiff Can Venice Sundown.
Speaker 1: Because obviously there's countless film festivals, all of which are beautiful, stunning, perfect.
Speaker 1: We would love to speak at them.
Speaker 2: I would adore to do a panel, to moderate a panel,
Speaker 2: and it's about Lizzo's past.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe about comedy.
Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, maybe I can do one about comedy. You
Speaker 2: can do one about Lozzo's past where it's Amanda seyfrid
Speaker 2: Emma Stone, Sydney Sweeney, Yah and Zendia and then they
Speaker 2: each talk about their journey.
Speaker 1: With Lozzo's past. God, that would be so amazing.
Speaker 2: So I would say, hey, what were you for you Sundance?
Speaker 2: Tiff Can Venice. Venice is gayest. Venice is gayest because
Speaker 2: of the boat.
Speaker 1: Because of the boat, and because it's like a place
Speaker 1: for like literally actresses to like wear a fun outfit,
Speaker 1: arrive on a boat and get photographed.
Speaker 2: And it's also can is you know, Can is the
Speaker 2: Beyonce and Venice is the slange like can. Yes, you
Speaker 2: take people do take fashion risks and look crazy and
Speaker 2: like it means it is a big thing to win
Speaker 2: the pump door and all this stuff, but Venice can
Speaker 2: be a little more unexpected.
Speaker 1: Well the way it's less prestigious. You know, it's still
Speaker 1: very prestigious, but it's like less than Can. It like
Speaker 1: is like Brooklyn. It's Brooklyn, Whereas I almost want to
Speaker 1: put Can straighter, like because it's the default. It's the default,
Speaker 1: and it's so like that got an eight minute standing ovation,
Speaker 1: which means it's eight minutes worth of good back out
Speaker 1: twelve minutes standing oovation. Like it's like statistically like what's
Speaker 1: coming out about it? Yeah, let's say Can is the straightest. Now.
Speaker 2: Tiff and Sentance are interesting. Both of them are the
Speaker 2: indie darlings. Both of them are like Zoeydachannel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is tough, this is Tiff, This is Tiff.
Speaker 1: I think so Sundance has an element which I know
Speaker 1: it's no longer going to be in Park City, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think the fact that it was was pretty
Speaker 1: gay of it. Yeah, to take over like you're essentially
Speaker 1: going on a vacation and writing it off completely like
Speaker 1: you're being like, well, I it's actually not a vacation
Speaker 1: because the festival's here, but like you go there and
Speaker 1: like seeing your outfits like ski even though you're not skiing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like it's all very like campy and tongue in cheek.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It's also very like Sundance is the film festival equivalent
Speaker 2: of a business that is made to look independent but
Speaker 2: is actually owned by Amazon, like it is. It's like
Speaker 2: Blank Street Coffee or something like it is it Everyone
Speaker 2: is like self consciously dressed a little more casual and
Speaker 2: pretending that they're like they just like stumbled into there
Speaker 2: with their hot tea. And then every background, every step
Speaker 2: and repeat has like Dropbox on it. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: so and I think there's something about Tiff that's a
Speaker 2: little more down to earth.
Speaker 1: Now Yeah, no, I think that's true. Sundance has like
Speaker 1: a it's neoliberal, Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Okay, so does that mean Tiff is Gayer? I so
Speaker 2: it goes from straight to gate. Can Sundance Tiff Venice?
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with that. I'm comfortable with that. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: this one, I must say that George wanted to play
Speaker 1: without comment, and I said, no, it requires a comment.
Speaker 14: And Sam aim in here and I call in as
Speaker 14: a literal subject of the discourse. I need to start
Speaker 14: with a confession. Sam. I believe I am the Takia
Speaker 14: solid bear from the episode Survivor. I was the guy
Speaker 14: standing right next to you at the good room who
Speaker 14: ordered that's the new beverage, and this is that bare backlash. However, George,
Speaker 14: I'm really calling because of a massive lapse in alignment
Speaker 14: I witnessed back in June. I was listening to the
Speaker 14: weightlifting episode of g M.
Speaker 8: Marco.
Speaker 14: On my way to a certain high end, you lift
Speaker 14: a scented Jim in Brooklyn. I had literally just reached
Speaker 14: the part when he explained that changing in the locker
Speaker 14: room with a towel around your waist is inherently straight behavior.
Speaker 14: As I proceeded into the locker room, go to my corner,
Speaker 14: and whom do I find at the very next locker George?
Speaker 14: And what is he doing? He is standing there, completely
Speaker 14: shrouded in a towel, actively engaged in the exact straight
Speaker 14: behavior he had just finished pathologizing in my ear. George,
Speaker 14: I was a listener trying to live my values and
Speaker 14: more move toward a more enlightened, power free existence. And
Speaker 14: there you were the architect of the discourse, clinging to
Speaker 14: your modesty like a suburban dat at a YMCA. My
Speaker 14: question is was this a one time performance of straightness
Speaker 14: or do we need to have a serious conversation about
Speaker 14: the integrity of our values. How can we as a
Speaker 14: community move forward when the call is coming from inside
Speaker 14: the locker room?
Speaker 1: You know this is George, Thank you.
Speaker 2: This is so interesting because you think that you are
Speaker 2: gotcha in me, but what you're actually doing is making
Speaker 2: these definitions so rigid, which goes against the entire ethos
Speaker 2: of the podcast, and saying like you said this, but
Speaker 2: you did this.
Speaker 1: That's hypocritical.
Speaker 2: I'll have you know that, depending on my mood, how
Speaker 2: like good I feel, you know, how horny I am, whatever,
Speaker 2: I am doing various different kinds of performances in the
Speaker 2: locker room. Sometimes I'm talel on, sometimes I'm tele off.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I even will walk towel off from a locker
Speaker 2: room from locker to shower. Sometimes I'll put my toil
Speaker 2: on for the walk. Sometimes I'll have two towels.
Speaker 1: George, just face it. You have been exposed as a hypocrite,
Speaker 1: and in these trying times it is so important that
Speaker 1: we live our values. I think this bear is very
Speaker 1: correctly coming for you. And I cannot believe you wrap
Speaker 1: a towel around you and then slide the underwear up
Speaker 1: the towel. I do not do that always. I sometimes
Speaker 1: do that depending on how crowded my little corner is,
Speaker 1: and if I don't want to like risk touching someone
Speaker 1: with my ass.
Speaker 2: I cannot believe it. This is just saying. And I
Speaker 2: actually think this is part a general a more general
Speaker 2: like it's more generally mamblematic of me being not one
Speaker 2: hundred percent at home in a gym setting is that
Speaker 2: I don't have specific habits, like I really go back
Speaker 2: and forth between being like completely free and being completely covered,
Speaker 2: and it's almost to tell. It's like he doesn't belong
Speaker 2: here because he doesn't know exactly what his like. It's
Speaker 2: the same way I would never shave in a gym
Speaker 2: because I'm like, what if I do it wrong? What
Speaker 2: if I suddenly it's not allowed.
Speaker 1: I love shaving at the gym, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Anyway, but you know what, I am taking your feedback,
Speaker 2: and I vow from now on to just sort of
Speaker 2: be cock out constantly at the gym, maybe even on
Speaker 2: the way lifting floor.
Speaker 1: Well that's what happened to Nicole byer.
Speaker 2: I, and I want to say I appreciate the poetic
Speaker 2: nature of this call.
Speaker 1: I mean, if it is attacking me, that was an
Speaker 1: amazing call. But I will say this, I think a
Speaker 1: big theme of this call list is George.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't want to say anything, but a lot
Speaker 2: of them are addressing me, and you.
Speaker 1: Are addressing you this time around. It's actually very interesting.
Speaker 1: The big challenge for next time is ask address Sam
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm just feeling so invisible in a way
Speaker 1: that is interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm sorry to tell you this, but
Speaker 2: we have more listeners in New York than LA and
Speaker 2: so they're more likely at this point to see me
Speaker 2: and think about me.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 1: Also, of course your hair is going out. It's like
Speaker 1: maybe it's time for me to do a big uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how are you gonna keep up? I think I have
Speaker 1: to die my hair. You have to dye your hair
Speaker 1: and then put your towel all the way up to
Speaker 1: your booby. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what I have to do.
Speaker 15: I this is a very periant question, but I feel
Speaker 15: like you two can speak to it intelligently.
Speaker 8: Do you think that.
Speaker 15: In a conversation with friends, women were saying that they
Speaker 15: pretty much tell each other when they're dating some dating
Speaker 15: a man.
Speaker 13: They tell the other person everything.
Speaker 15: About that gentleman.
Speaker 11: Cock.
Speaker 13: Is that I feel like there's a level of privacy
Speaker 13: among gay men Or am I wrong? Is like disclose
Speaker 13: up all.
Speaker 15: The details about your partner's dick purely straight?
Speaker 8: Or does it.
Speaker 13: Learn a line?
Speaker 7: All?
Speaker 13: Right, have a good one.
Speaker 2: Well, we were talking about this with them jeans, Oh,
Speaker 2: remind me what we said. He was saying, how we
Speaker 2: were talking about straight women versus straight men, and how
Speaker 2: straight women, ironically, even though straight men have the reputation
Speaker 2: of objectifying women, straight women ironically are more likely to
Speaker 2: talk about like specifics of their husband's dick, whereas a
Speaker 2: straight man would never be like, this is what my
Speaker 2: wife's private parts are like?
Speaker 1: Right right, right, right right.
Speaker 2: So that's sort of men versus women. But this one
Speaker 2: is interesting because it's straight the gay.
Speaker 1: I think I think there's something about gay men talking
Speaker 1: about other men's dicks where there almost is a little
Speaker 1: bit more empathy in every direction. And like, I think
Speaker 1: they will talk about it, but the stats they're sharing
Speaker 1: are different, Like it's more like how was sex? Like,
Speaker 1: I think it's very like sex was good sex, This
Speaker 1: was fun, this was the energy this yeah, this was weird,
Speaker 1: this blah blah blah. But like I think, like literally
Speaker 1: just being like dick was this long, this wide is
Speaker 1: like very not the culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well men versus women is much more warlike. It's
Speaker 2: like give me, It's like it's comparison based. It is
Speaker 2: like it's very like, Okay, this is the biggest dick
Speaker 2: I've ever seen and the spotlest dick I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And I also think the specific question was about partners,
Speaker 2: and I do think what happens with gay men is
Speaker 2: I think I will much more freely discuss non partin
Speaker 2: men I hook up the same thing, and I would
Speaker 2: never I don't think i've I would never go into
Speaker 2: like super lurid details about like me and my partner.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe with like a close friend, but but
Speaker 2: it is that does seem weirdly way more private or sacred,
Speaker 2: Whereas I'm like, if.
Speaker 1: It's a hook cup, I'm like, well as cock was there,
Speaker 1: If it's like Misha, I'm like, only my most trusted
Speaker 1: friends who I really get into it with.
Speaker 2: So I think maybe that's the difference, is that if
Speaker 2: a straight couple is monogamous. That's the one dick she
Speaker 2: has to talk about, so she's gonna bring it up.
Speaker 1: The only time I really bring up size of someone's
Speaker 1: deck is if it's like notably large, whor it's just
Speaker 1: like I actually haven't seen one that big very often.
Speaker 1: Like then I'm sort of like, wow, that was, like,
Speaker 1: that's like seeing the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 20: Hi, Simon George. I'm Martin gla mcgirl from the Netherlands.
Speaker 20: I've always wondered that if your listeners are glamour girls,
Speaker 20: then your title should be Glamour Divas or something more
Speaker 20: stupid sounding anywhere. I don't know if you know this,
Speaker 20: but your podcast has a high listenability quality. I don't
Speaker 20: know if that's a word. And I often revisit old episodes.
Speaker 20: Which do you prefer episodes where the topic is discussed
Speaker 20: in length and you go along theorizing tangents and are
Speaker 20: often creating binaries, or the episodes where the topic brings
Speaker 20: up a different conversation and barely even touch.
Speaker 1: The question the guests topic. Love them both and love
Speaker 1: you too, XO, so love you another hot voice. I
Speaker 1: know something is going on, something's up. Maybe you're just
Speaker 1: rock hard yeah, maybe, Okay, this is an interesting question.
Speaker 1: Do we care. Do we prefer to talk about the
Speaker 1: topic a lot, or to just go fully off topic
Speaker 1: and be crazy. I think it really depends on if
Speaker 1: the guest actually cares about their topic, because there's something
Speaker 1: that's happening where our guests, if they like have never
Speaker 1: listened to the pod before we'll come on, they won't
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. They're like, oh, I have
Speaker 1: to have a straight topic. What do you guys want
Speaker 1: to Oh, you know, I've always done it, And we're
Speaker 1: like either intimidated or or we just don't feel like
Speaker 1: arguing with them and they don't seem to care about
Speaker 1: the topics or just like sure that works, and then
Speaker 1: we like don't talk about it much because they don't care.
Speaker 1: And if they don't care, we don't care. Yeah uh,
Speaker 1: and we just don't want to like argue with them
Speaker 1: basically beforehand. And I like those episodes to an extent.
Speaker 1: But when a guest does care about the topic, I
Speaker 1: really do prefer it because their enthusiasm I think leads
Speaker 1: us and we get to then like really dive in
Speaker 1: and get deeper and deeper. Whereas it's so clear when
Speaker 1: the guest doesn't care about the topic, we try to
Speaker 1: go deeper. They're like, okay, moving on, yeah, and we're
Speaker 1: like no, the point is we like kind of dig
Speaker 1: in yeah.
Speaker 2: And you know, to bring ourselves in to it a
Speaker 2: little bit, and not to only blame the guests, not
Speaker 2: that that's what you were doing, but guest blaming, you're
Speaker 2: guest blaming. I would say, well, I would say, first
Speaker 2: of all, definitively, I do prefer episodes where we go
Speaker 2: into theorizing like that is in my dream world, every
Speaker 2: episode would be mostly theorizing about a topic, and we
Speaker 2: would get to a point where, like when we have
Speaker 2: someone like theta On who's really smart, where we're like,
Speaker 2: we're really like to taking a topic like photography and
Speaker 2: theorizing about when when is photography gay? When photography straight?
Speaker 2: What is the evolution of it? We're doing this kind
Speaker 2: of comedic, idiotic philosophizing that I just think it's when
Speaker 2: we get in that role, I'm it really feels like
Speaker 2: we're in a flow state and it feels like so
Speaker 2: fun and it feels like improv and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: So yes, in an ideal world, that is what every
Speaker 2: episode would be like. But I think both of us
Speaker 2: are worried about forcing it. So if it's not going
Speaker 2: there organically, oftentimes we won't push it. And maybe if
Speaker 2: we're like twenty percent more pushy, we could get it there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, this is the big internal debate to get
Speaker 1: a peek behind the curtain. Is we're wondering how pushy
Speaker 1: to be and that's how almost rude to be.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is like a legitimate, not even debate, because
Speaker 2: I think neither of us is. It's not like we're
Speaker 2: each one side and we're arguing, right, we are both
Speaker 2: undecided about how much we want to go combative interviewer
Speaker 2: mode as a bit and like alienate the guests for
Speaker 2: the sake of the audience having a better time, like
Speaker 2: perform for the audience rather than perform for the guests.
Speaker 1: And it's tough because we have done that in the past,
Speaker 1: but only with like close friends. Yeah, and so when
Speaker 1: it's not someone we know very well, it's always like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be mean to a random person
Speaker 1: I don't know. But then it's like should we like, uh,
Speaker 1: like it's an interesting thing. And also it's just like
Speaker 1: it's so easy for us to be mean to our friends.
Speaker 1: But both of us are like polite people, and it's
Speaker 1: very hard for us to be rude to someone one
Speaker 1: who we barely know.
Speaker 2: I know it makes me feel like a fraud sometimes
Speaker 2: because I'm just like, if if I was listening to
Speaker 2: someone else, be so different differential, sure is that the
Speaker 2: right word? I think, so deferential to a big guess
Speaker 2: that they're intimidated by, I'd be like, I'm turning.
Speaker 1: This off right, I'd be like, grow up.
Speaker 2: But it is difficult in the moment to like humiliate
Speaker 2: yourself and or take a risk, and you also do
Speaker 2: genuinely risk because the other person if that if a
Speaker 2: person is going on the Adam Friedlin Show, they sort
Speaker 2: of know that that's what they're in for because they've
Speaker 2: like maybe seen past clips. They know that he plays
Speaker 2: this character. Where I think for us, because we don't
Speaker 2: necessarily play that character, it would be like really jarring
Speaker 2: to have to have like, you know, uh, Jennifer Lopez
Speaker 2: on and suddenly be like screaming at her.
Speaker 1: I also, this is something I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is true, but tell me what you think. Where I
Speaker 1: think as gay guys were expected to stand I know
Speaker 1: in a different way, and I think it's a little
Speaker 1: bit unfair. And I think like our guests come on
Speaker 1: and being like, oh, two gay guys, they're going to
Speaker 1: love me, and it's like, oh, we kind of want
Speaker 1: to like be able to pretend to be mean to you,
Speaker 1: and you're okay with it, but they're just so used
Speaker 1: to like like everyone's just like, well it's gay guys
Speaker 1: on a microphone. They're going to be actually too nice
Speaker 1: to me. And we're like and we're like what we
Speaker 1: do is like worse where we're like we don't want
Speaker 1: to be too nice, nor do we want to be rude,
Speaker 1: so we're just like normal down the middle. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, that's that's exactly it. It's like I think being
Speaker 2: down the middle is the worst thing you can do.
Speaker 2: I would rather just be like, okay, I'm going to
Speaker 2: bunk my head and just be stand mode. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then it can be like fun in a sort of
Speaker 2: like you know Evan ross Katz interviewing the heated rivalry
Speaker 2: guy's way, yeah totally, or you know, or you go
Speaker 2: Adam Friedlin mode, but like yeah, and so I think
Speaker 2: that's why oftentimes we will not want to have bigger
Speaker 2: slubs on Yeah.
Speaker 1: But don't worry. We're gonna have Amanda syfreed on and
Speaker 1: we are going to tell her that her forehead is
Speaker 1: too fucking small to play that character and that she
Speaker 1: was stealing roles from four Hedges women.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta say not to bring up my experience
Speaker 2: at the Golden Globes yet again, but this was something
Speaker 2: that was very apparent there where it's like we would
Speaker 2: write questions that are clearly meant in jest and then
Speaker 2: celebrities like wouldn't know how to deal with them, so
Speaker 2: then you just get like an awkward interaction. I mean
Speaker 2: where like we asked Claire Danes, like, you know, you're
Speaker 2: really smart? Is it hard for you to be the
Speaker 2: smartest person in the room at these events, which is
Speaker 2: like such a layup, and she's just like, very sweetly like, Oh,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that's what makes it hard. I think
Speaker 2: it's just more it's just stressful for there's.
Speaker 1: So many smart creative people in the field, and no,
Speaker 1: I think I really underestimate pr training. Yeah, because like
Speaker 1: there have been some interviews where I'm like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna ask them like a somewhat biting question and they're
Speaker 1: gonna like get it and run with us, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: the pr training is like in the bones sometimes, you
Speaker 1: know what.
Speaker 2: Else to be more empathetic to those celebrities, they are
Speaker 2: forced to do so much stupid bullshit now as part
Speaker 2: of their press tours, of course, like they have to
Speaker 2: eat hot wings, they have to like, you know, go
Speaker 2: on some like random TikTok show where someone like forces
Speaker 2: them to you know, walk on one leg while like
Speaker 2: you know, touching their head or something like they have
Speaker 2: to do a lie detector test. They have to be
Speaker 2: constantly reminded of their movies they made when they were seventeen,
Speaker 2: and it's like, unless we're doing something super different, all
Speaker 2: we're doing is adding to that cacophony.
Speaker 1: Don't say that we're not doing that. We're not adding
Speaker 1: to that. I want to say that. It's like, this
Speaker 1: is why, like Jennifer Lawrence gets to be such a
Speaker 1: because it's like when you find someone who is both
Speaker 1: good at acting, which is a lot of actors, but
Speaker 1: then also has like a fun personality and can do
Speaker 1: hot wings and actually be charming, can do a podcast
Speaker 1: where people are weird and actually kind of get the bit.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, well, you are God now literally, and
Speaker 1: we haven't really found one since then. We literally haven't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Ivy Woke is obviously going to
Speaker 1: be that, but she's doing it the opposite way, where
Speaker 1: she's crushing the comedy podcast circuit and then we'll win
Speaker 1: an oscar by the time she is twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Which is in fifteen years. In fifteen years. Yeah, it's complicated,
Speaker 2: but I sort of like that. The show is always
Speaker 2: a work in progress.
Speaker 1: Oh honey, we're growing, we're changing.
Speaker 2: And I'm much more into the idea of being looser
Speaker 2: and sort of like playing it fast and loose with
Speaker 2: segments and with topics and.
Speaker 1: Doing special episodes and things like that. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: This is our ending call. Actually me too, it's reflective. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we no longer call these shows earnestness bonanzas,
Speaker 1: buta this ending was, Well, it's because we've we're just
Speaker 1: more real. We're more real, I know than we once more.
Speaker 1: I know it's true, we've dropped the act. We should
Speaker 1: have a year when we're bad. I know I'm ready
Speaker 1: to be bad. To be honest, I'm ready to be bad.
Speaker 1: We need to be bad.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny even with our friends now, we
Speaker 2: used to be more mean to them. I think the
Speaker 2: older we get, the more I'm like, well, it seems
Speaker 2: cool to ask someone to come on a podcast and
Speaker 2: then be mean to them.
Speaker 1: I mean we were mina Jewelers. Oh yeah, that was
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe we should just have Joe Firestone on once a
Speaker 2: month and just verbally abuse her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then maybe we need to have Yeah, get ready,
Speaker 1: we're going back to our roots. It's time to you mean. Okay.
Speaker 2: I love that and earnestly thank you everyone for calling
Speaker 2: these work, and we did. We got to a small
Speaker 2: fraction of the not to rag, but there are a
Speaker 2: lot of other ones that I thought were really great,
Speaker 2: some very thoughtful calls. This time around, I think our
Speaker 2: audience is growing with us in a very sweet way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, next time, if you want to
Speaker 1: be asked me about anything that's going on in my life,
Speaker 1: you know I wouldn't be opposed. I do have a
Speaker 1: rich in her life. If you care about those sorts
Speaker 1: of topics. Would you like questions about you know, hair,
Speaker 1: body face, you know, dreams, wants, wishes, et cetera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: favorite color, favorite food, vacation, destinations in the coming year
Speaker 1: top bottom verse, just questions such as that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you guys could just write in and
Speaker 2: maybe ask Sam if he's top bottom or verse, he
Speaker 2: would really appreciate that. It's something he's always wanted to
Speaker 2: answer on air.
Speaker 1: Because I, you know, I'm currently giving sidekick and that's
Speaker 1: a bit tough.
Speaker 2: I do not think you're currently giving side giving. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, Andy Richter asked, I cannot believe this.
Speaker 1: No JK. I don't actually feel that way. Just trying
Speaker 1: practicing being bad.
Speaker 2: Well that's all we have to say. And I just
Speaker 2: want to say that it's time to change things politically now.
Speaker 1: Literally, you guys strike and boycott wherever you can. I
Speaker 1: will not be going to a restaurant on Friday, even
Speaker 1: though I don't know if it's allowed. I'm never eating again.
Speaker 2: That's called a hunger literally hunger strike until the entire
Speaker 2: system is dismantled.
Speaker 1: I have been on a hunger strike recently, but only
Speaker 1: because all my meals have been so small. I keep
Speaker 1: being like, whatever happened to portions calling dieting a hunger strike.
Speaker 2: I'm actually you're just dieting because you're like going to
Speaker 2: the Oscars, and you're like, I'm on a hunger strike.
Speaker 1: I feel like every every meal I have, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the big one? Is this big?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm starving.
Speaker 2: I want to say, it is so stressful when you
Speaker 2: go out to dinner with a friend and you know
Speaker 2: they're not a big eater and they refuse to order
Speaker 2: enough food. I went out to dinner with a friend recently.
Speaker 2: Actually I'm gonna I want not to say dinner with
Speaker 2: my friend in April. She initially suggested getting one appetizer and
Speaker 2: one entree to share. I had to step in. I
Speaker 2: had to say, April, I know you are a skin
Speaker 2: delicious diva who of course has a healthy relationship with food,
Speaker 2: but just like doesn't need more.
Speaker 1: Than that I do. And I actually put my foot
Speaker 1: down and I said, ordering another entree and then we
Speaker 1: got dessert. Well, Misha and I went out for birthday
Speaker 1: dinner with my brother and his girlfriend, and you better
Speaker 1: believe we ordered over one hundred things. Turns out they're
Speaker 1: all this big.
Speaker 2: Oh well yeah, I mean the top us, the topacification
Speaker 2: of everything needs to end.
Speaker 1: We order a steak, they say, how big it's going
Speaker 1: to be? An ounces, and then I get the thing
Speaker 1: and I say, bring out the scale. Yeah, because this
Speaker 1: is not that big.
Speaker 2: When they do ounces, but it's bone in you're saying, oh, so,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, two thirds of this was bone.
Speaker 1: I'm paying for the bone. So I'm paying for the bone.
Speaker 1: Just just to be clear, I'm paying for the bone. Unbelievable, tip,
Speaker 1: but not for the bone. You can bone fee do
Speaker 1: the math, and you tip only for the barth that
Speaker 1: isn't bone, I mean the bone that was insane. Tip
Speaker 1: your servers. I'm gonna domestic terrorist thou restaurant. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you should, and I will.
Speaker 2: As we said, it's easier to take down small businesses
Speaker 2: than big ones, and so let's start there and then
Speaker 2: you know, maybe in a few years we'll get to
Speaker 2: Amazon after there are no small business is left.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I could talk forever, but we unfortunately, I
Speaker 1: have to pee so bad.
Speaker 2: And I have to go to the gym fully naked.
Speaker 2: Goodbyebye podcast and now.
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