WEBVTT - Call-In Ep w/ George and Sam 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:18.880 What's up, everybody. It's Sam here with a quick little 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.320 show announcement, and that is that we have a Street 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.720 Lab live show in New York City at our homeway 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:27.520 from home, the Bellhouse, on March thirteenth. That is, I'm 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.280 being told close to selling out, so get those tickets quick. 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.680 We're going to have Joe Firestone and Patti Harrison and 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.360 potentially on another person there as special guests. And then 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.560 I'm doing an hour at Union Hall in New York 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.640 City on March eighteenth, and I also hear tickets are 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.960 low for that, so move quick. And then I'm doing 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.479 my hour two more times in Los Angeles, California, on 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.080 March twenty fourth and April first, And there's actually quite 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.960 a few tickets available for those other intimate little shows. 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.760 So I would love if you guys got tickets of those. 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:02.960 That would make my life much less humiliating. So see 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:08.160 you there. Enjoy the episode. Bye. Podcast starts now. What 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.039 is up everyone around the globe? We are at the 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:14.800 final George in La recording. We did it. 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:17.319 We did it, folks, We did it, Joe, We did 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:19.920 it Joe. Remember that, y'all, remember that, Remember we did it. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:21.000 Joe simpler times. 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:23.880 Take me back, me back what a day, Take me 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.240 back to just having like a knot in my stomach 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:28.520 that told me that it wasn't going to be okay. 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.039 But then at the surface, being like. 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:35.280 Well what if it is where it's now, it's its 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:37.560 surface all the way down to the knot. Yeah, now 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:39.920 it sucks to be like damn, So we're just going 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.200 to be sort of in a nightmare for the foreseeable future. 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:49.800 It's sort of interesting how the Charlie Brat era reflects 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:55.840 our political optimism then and also now what's happening with 0:01:55.880 --> 0:02:01.160 the Charlie movie explain, So Charlie Brat Summer coincided with 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:05.200 like this like forced optimism about Kamala Harris. Yes, now 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.239 Charlie is doing her movie which is like Brad Summer, 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:11.200 but through a lens of even more sarcasm and irony, 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:15.080 while we are all in the most cynical, scared, angry 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.480 place we've ever been. Yeah, and it's I don't think 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:22.519 it's intentional, And I also think people are people don't 0:02:22.560 --> 0:02:24.520 want to think back to the optimism of Brad Summer, 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:26.200 so they're sort of like rejecting the film. 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:27.800 So she's like getting ahead of it and being like 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.440 that was weird. I hope she's getting ahead of it, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:36.640 but I worry about that. I'm film yet, Yeah, I'm either, 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:39.480 but I hope that she can pull it off. If 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.600 she can pull it off, it would be a generational accomplishment. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.520 I gotta say, I believe there's something about I mean, obviously, 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.240 when she said Kamala is Brad, that was like the 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:54.520 furthest she's gone into, like quote unquote cringe. But it 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.040 was like but then she like immediately was like, what 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:58.720 am I doing? I'm not going to maintain that. 0:02:58.720 --> 0:03:01.400 That was like a funny, stupid thing to say. And 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:07.040 I really reject people, really reject people that like somehow 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:11.800 believe that that was her being like pussy hat limits March. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.720 But yeah, like come on, everything she says is like 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:18.200 through fifteen layers of irony then seven of which she 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:19.680 doesn't even she's not even fully aware. 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:24.519 I think she's gonna pull it off. But of course, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:28.200 this is amazing to batch episodes in a time when 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.440 you know the news changes so quickly. I mean, at 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.400 this rate, Charlie could be assassinated by the time this 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:35.320 episode comes out. 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.200 So let's hope not let's hope not, but of course 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.200 we will prepare a separate intro for if she's assassinated, 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.600 and it's going to be saved as intro Charlie Assassination 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:45.480 Version MP. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:45.840 Four. 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.920 We record over one hundred versions of our intro for 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.960 if any public figure that we discussed is assassinated within 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.560 the next month, just because we can't know because we're 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.040 releasing this a month from or two, like a month 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:57.480 and a half from. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.280 I just want to say if any of our last 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:03.480 eight to ten episodes none of them coincide with the 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.520 time period in which we're listening to them, so everyone 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.000 just has to sort of be chill about it. If 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.640 you think we're not commenting on any political events, that's 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.000 why we don't know. They don't know about them. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.120 And I just want to say that it's actually sad 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.159 that you guys won't hear the version of this intro 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.800 in which Amanda Seafreed got assassinated, because yeah, we both cry. 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.880 It's very emotional. I really felt it. I felt it 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.080 so hard. I mean, obviously we were it was an 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.760 acting extracise because we don't know what the future holds, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.080 but we both got to a place that was pretty 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:34.080 real and grounded. 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.360 Well, I think we accessed our feelings about her being 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.400 snubbed for the OSCAR and said, okay, like that's how 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.679 you're feeling now already on the verge of tears. Of course, 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.560 of course, I mean after learning the teachers of teachings 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.160 of Anne Lee, after I. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.880 Learned the teachings teachings, the teaches of an Lee, straight Shooter, 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.480 teaches of Peaches, or a testament of Van Lee, I'm 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:56.160 gonna have to go a testament of Anlein, go a 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.760 testament of Anile. No, I'm so inspired by the Shaker movement. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.360 I have not had sex since I've seen a movie, 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.320 and I plan on continuing that run or else God 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:07.320 will not come through me. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:09.760 Something interesting about me is that I actually, no joke, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.040 have not had sex and seeing seeing that movie, and so, 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:14.240 I mean a big part of it is that I 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.400 am I have been away from my husband in a 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:18.080 different city. 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:20.440 But you know, I'm allowed to if I want to. 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.719 Oh honey, I have it. I chose it not to, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.640 and it's because of Annley. A gay guy saying he's 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.040 away from his husband in a different city is not 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.000 an excuse for not having you know what, it is. 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.839 It's I wanted to say that just so people think 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.200 I'm not in a sexist marriage, but not as a 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:39.640 justification for not having sex. To be clear, it's my 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:41.320 choice that I'm not having sex. 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:42.520 Yeah. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:46.599 So anyway, I think we had a really big realization. 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:47.640 Did I forward you this? 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:48.800 Oh? 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:50.919 No, we talked about it how Ann Lee herself was 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.279 actually fugly as hell. 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.280 Everyone, if you're near a phone or a computer or 0:05:57.279 --> 0:05:59.720 a home tablet, google Ann Lee. 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.120 What to Wikipedia Wikipedia for Annlee and look at the 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:04.920 gorgeous illustration. 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:05.520 The amazing sketch. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.240 Absolutely this like it's made by like the most cruel 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.240 Coney Island sketch artist, caricature artist. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.360 You've heard of a five head when your forehead is 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.360 too big, Well, honey, this is like a ten head. 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.279 This is like, this is so gigantic. I've never seen 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.400 anything like it. And it's you know, it's pretty easy 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.560 to understand why she could forego sex in the film. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:29.200 It was like, oh, but she's married to the hot 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:31.880 guy from Girls, Why wouldn't she want to blow him 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:35.279 as he so insists he wants. And then now you 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.039 see the the Wikipedia drawing and you say, oh, I 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:38.800 get it. Yeah, you're saying, I don't think she would 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.000 have dated Charlie from Girls. I don't think. I don't 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.760 necessarily think. I don't even think she would have dated 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.800 Ray from Girls. To be honest, honey, she wishes no. 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:49.760 But of course the forehead. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.440 You know why it's so big so you can project 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.520 the testament of Anily on it and do a big 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.760 movie night with the gang after everyone is tired from 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:59.520 a day of blue ballsing themselves for the Lord, for 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:04.320 the Lord everyone. So what we're doing today is a 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.440 good old fashioned call in episode we This is like 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.240 one of my favorite batch of calls we've gotten. 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.920 I think, Wow, I don't rank them. I love all 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:12.960 batches of calls equally. 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.760 Well, something happens without us planning it, which is that 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.920 there's a certain identity that shines through with each batch, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:23.320 and I think this batch was much more queer woman oriented. 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:24.920 There was a batch recently that was like gay guy, 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.160 gay guy, gey guy, gay guy. This batch was much 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.240 more like, we just got back from a big potlck dinner. 0:07:30.360 --> 0:07:33.800 We made an amazing white bean stew and my girlfriend, 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.320 who I'm ethically non monogamous with, has a question for 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:37.480 you guys, and we love the pod. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:39.880 Well, there was a lot of like representation and not 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:41.920 in the like identity way, like in the way that 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.880 like someone is speaking for someone else. Yes, someone represents 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.240 someone else. I love that was my friend loves you, 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:50.600 and he wonders, and it was sort of like, one, 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:52.640 then why can't he pick up the damn phone and 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:53.640 call himself? 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.800 Well, I sort of like, I like kind of taking 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.520 the culture of legal representation into the social into your 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.400 social life and just be like, you know, we should 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.040 be able to be like I have a dinner with 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:05.640 an acquaintance I don't really want to see. I'm going 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.920 to send my friend and then she can kind of 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.040 be like yeah, So this is like mostly what George 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.400 wanted to say, and I'll relay back anything you have. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.400 Georgie's loving The Testament of Anilee. He has has been 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:19.480 ever since watching, and he still love diet Coke. 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:23.520 It's something that The Testament of anilely didn't quite hit, 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.840 was like, why the connection between celibacy and social justice 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:29.800 because her dupe her two big views were social justice 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.240 and celibacy. Yeah, who could forget she was the only 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.360 white person in America against slavery. 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.520 She really saw slaves happening, and she was like, I 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:40.520 don't like this. I do not like this. She was 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.680 so she was like what. She was like, hold on, 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:46.480 I'm going to call somebody. But then she didn't really 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:47.719 call it. No, she was like, I'm actually gonna go 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.160 to the She sort of just like protested very briefly 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:51.760 on the streets and then was like, it is time 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:53.560 for us to set up camp. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:54.880 No. 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.199 And she was nice in the Native Americans. That's true. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:03.880 She she she was awoke diva, but it is it 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.440 is very she's very I think I said after we 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:08.920 saw the movie, she's very tender queer where it's like 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.240 very sex negative but very social justice forward. 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:15.400 Oh that's a really interesting point. Yes, she's sex negative. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.560 She's like, no kink, get pride. Actually no kink at. 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.280 All, no kink at all, and no sex at all, 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:23.200 no sex at all. But everyone gets. But but this 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.640 is I'm running my business like a co op, like 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.040 I'm running everyone's a co owner. Yes, everyone is a 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:30.160 co owner of the Social Justice Coffee Shop. And we 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.200 do we have like a prayer a non denominational prayer room. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.280 As long as no one hooks up in there, you're fine. 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:41.360 Yeah. Yeah. I also just it was so funny how 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.760 much it's like as a gay guy to hear a 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:46.360 movie where they say the word mother that much. It 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.360 was like, it's like sometimes it feels like they're baiting 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:50.360 you into making a meme. 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:54.480 I know, I and I well, this goes back to 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:58.240 the to the Searchlight Pictures conversation. So much of the 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.520 movie is begging to be memed, and only now are 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:04.520 people catching up to that. We're recording January twenty eighth. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:05.839 I just want to you know, she's been snubbed for 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:07.760 the Oscar. No one has seen this film yet. I 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.079 think now it's getting some traction. But the fact that 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.000 there was no meme about Mother, no meme about the 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.520 dance that they do, no meme about you know, Charlie 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:18.800 from Girls, no meme about the fact that she's like 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.120 serving the entire time but playing someone who has you know, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:23.319 a horrible forehead. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.480 No, it's weird. It's weird. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.760 We've made memes about much less memorable things as all. 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.480 I'm so maybe they were just too heavy handed with 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.359 the memeability. Yeah, let you have a sense of discovery. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.720 That's right, that's true. They should, they could, They were 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.520 too heated rivalry with it. They want a bit heated rivalry. 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.800 That's what I'm saying about, ann Lee. Should we get 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.640 into our call. Let's get we haven't a million amazing calls. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:48.120 I can kick us off. 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:53.040 Hey, Sam and George? Do you who note here that 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:57.959 I did have to pause Lady Gaga's guy. 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:58.800 To leave this message? 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.960 Guy question here, I'm going through my photos on my 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.000 phone in an I cloud. I've got all these pictures 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.760 of hot men I don't know, jig pics that I 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:12.040 don't know for sure who they belonged to, and even 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.760 friends and lovers that I'm no longer close with. What 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.080 would you, glamorous gay guys do? Would you keep these 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:23.679 photos or would you delete them? What should I do? 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:28.600 I'm just curious. Also, I want to thank and give 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:33.560 a big shout out to George for his stand up special. 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.520 I watched it while I was sick with the flu, 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:40.199 So thank you so much. 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:41.600 Bye. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:44.360 You're saying you watched it when you were sick with 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.280 the flu, not saying whether you enjoyed it or not, 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.800 just saying thank you for providing something for me to 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:49.240 look at. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:50.840 That is so classic. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.559 But you know, often something you can do is rent 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:55.960 my special sense of urgency on Amazon or Apple if 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.640 you have the fluor even if you're healthy. 0:11:58.080 --> 0:11:59.720 No matter what state of mind you're in, Rent, George, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:00.720 that's right. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:05.360 Okay, So this is an interesting question, and I'm going 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.120 to actually take a step back. What is your stance 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.240 on saving other people's news? 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.559 So this is interesting. The context was a bit unclear 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:18.079 to me. Is he saying he's saving them from like Twitter, 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:19.720 like they're not sent to him directly? 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:19.959 Oh? 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.520 No, I'm pretty sure they're sent to him directly. And 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:23.960 I think he has a spank bank folder where he 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:29.560 puts them. He's he's acquired them consensually. I guess I say, 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.959 go off. You say just keep them, keep I mean, 0:12:33.000 --> 0:12:35.280 as long as you're not like sharing them abroad, like 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.240 I think, if you never know when you might need them. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.600 I think it's like sometimes it's fun when you're like 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.360 thinking back on your life. Imagine it's the notebook and 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:44.040 you're like, what's my life been? And then you can 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:46.720 be like, actually, remember that guy's dick. That's very true. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:48.439 And actually I would even go to fars to say 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:51.319 you should go through them and maybe even journal about them, 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.440 like write notes about each one, see how you feel, 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.240 and then do that again once a year and sort 0:12:56.280 --> 0:13:01.680 of track your own evolving tastes in Dicks and maybe 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.320 something will bring up a memory and you'll remember who a. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.880 Specific person was. That would be nice. I mean, I 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.440 have Dick pics that I treasure, Dick pics from like 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.400 ten years ago, where I'm like, isn't it so weird 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.480 that I can just look at this whenever I want. Yeah, 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.079 and I like that. I'm not sharing it, but I'm 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.200 saying that's nice to be able to access that. It 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:21.840 makes me feel like in the same way when you 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.719 hear a song from elementary school and you're like, no, whoa, 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.480 I'm taken back. I'm back in the backseat of the car. 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:29.720 Or even like looking at an old photo of yourself 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.040 and seeing something you were wearing that is so of 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:36.319 the times in terms of the style and styling. Even 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.480 you know you can look back and say, oh, that's 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.920 what I like. Then this was like my favorite one. 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.439 This Dick was my favorite one. Now not doing much 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:44.640 for me. 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.680 It doesn't do anything for me, but it's nice to 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:50.400 know that I can look at it. Next question, Okay, 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:52.600 I think I have. 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:57.360 This one Okay, Hey, Sam and George. I called before 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:02.000 from going to Chicago to see George's first show. But 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.000 I had something happen that is so stradio lab or 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.440 it happened to my son that I had to call and. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:08.080 Ask this question. 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.560 My son is twenty five, or one of my sons 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:13.840 is twenty five, and he went to New York City 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:18.080 to visit a former college roommate who lives in Manhattan 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:22.800 a week after Christmas, and to thank him for hosting him. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:29.920 He set up a sushi restaurant, Almacasse Meal. So while 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:33.920 they were there, an older man in his forties sent 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.920 them some sake, and they thought that was really nice. 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.640 And then my son's friend went to the bathroom towards 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.680 the end of the meal, and the man came over 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.360 to my son and was like, you know, introducing himself 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.560 and saying hey. And then the man said to my 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.600 son like, fuck it, let's go after this and do 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:54.120 a bunch of cocaine or a bunch of coke and 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.680 co oh okay, I no, thank you, but thank you 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.440 for the sake. So when my son told me this, 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:02.520 he was just kind of like, oh, New York wild 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.000 and crazy, and I was like I'm pretty sure like 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:05.880 I was hitting on you. 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.920 Guys, so you two would be the experts in New 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:11.160 York and gay guys. 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.720 Was my son and his friend getting hit on? 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:14.880 Thanks so much? 0:15:15.040 --> 0:15:15.440 Bye? 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.840 Okay, so off the bat, I want to say a couple. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:21.680 First of all, I really enjoyed the scene setting in 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.520 this call. Yeah, like I think there was it was 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.440 not necessary to know that it was the week after 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.600 Christmas that he was staying with a friend. In this 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.880 was like a thank you dinner. But I really appreciated 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.120 that we did know that because it actually painted a picture. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.080 And the thing that I most appreciated was that it 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:40.680 was a two straight guy Omakase dinner, because there's actually 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.320 nothing straighter in New York right now than Omakase. I 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.440 think this even happened after you left. If you go 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.720 on Rezi in New York right now, all you get 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:52.000 is Omakazi in Union Square. They are multiplying like like 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.080 an STD and it is crazy. There is just our 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.200 Omakazi places opening left and right, and all of them 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:02.120 inside are sort of like solitari foody types and or 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:07.160 like office like coworkers. Interesting, and so it's a very 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:10.960 it's very like twenty five year old in the city, 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.000 straight guy in the city who wants to have a 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:13.680 nice dinner. 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:15.400 And don't get me wrong, I love it. To my cousin, 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:15.960 I love it. 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:20.480 But I like that that's the environment we are navigating here. 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.480 So this could go either way. But what I think 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.160 is very telling is that the time of day it was, 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.840 which is dinner time. Yes, And I think your Solan 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.080 was being hit on hard. I think so as well 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.080 by a Kim Queen. No less, yes by Kim Queen. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.160 I like because in New York, like I have had 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.960 an experience where like I've been at say a bar 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.560 in Bushwick and it's like two am, and I'm waiting 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.480 in line for the bathroom. Like this guy started talking 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.800 to me once and he was like, you know, it 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.640 was his birthday and he was like, just it's tough. 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.360 You know, I'm really stressed out. I've got like a 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:58.080 kid at home and I never even thought I'd be 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.720 a dad, and like this is so like life is 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.280 so hard, and like you know, marriage is already hard, 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.679 and so much harder with a kid, and like this 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.200 is so common. We're like waiting for finally it's our 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:09.960 turn to go in and then he's like, by the way, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:11.480 do you want to go in with me and do cocaine? 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:13.959 And I was like no, no, no, no. See, he 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.720 was not hitting on me. He wanted a front. And this, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:19.680 on the other hand, because the guy is so sober 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.119 and so with it and it's dinner time, he was 0:17:23.680 --> 0:17:25.560 trying to hit on him, I think so too. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.520 And I also just think, you know, listen, part of 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.600 this curse of being a straight guy having amakazi with 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:34.760 your boy is that you are two men having a date. 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:40.359 And so it's gonna maybe if someone doesn't know about 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.920 the cultural significance of a makazi that I just described, 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.800 if someone is not familiar with the kind of semiotics 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.240 of Union Square omakazi in New York City in twenty 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.680 twenty five, because this was after Christmas, then they might 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.760 misread it. And yeah, I think that is a really 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:56.880 great learning experience for a young straight man to have. 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.360 Is like, how do I act when someone thinks I'm gay? 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:03.719 Because I think it's a sign of maturity to not 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.720 resort to, oh no, dude, I would never I would 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.000 never do that, I'm not gay, and to just sort 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:11.560 of be like, oh, that's sweet, but I'm straight. 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:17.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also like, God, I remember being 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:23.040 like so excited when like random old guys would hit 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.000 on me, even if I was never going to sleep 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.760 with them in a million years. Of course, I was like, 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:31.280 this is so fun, Like this is such a natural relationship. 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.320 Like old guy hits on me. I'm so much younger. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.360 I'm thirty years younger than him, forty years younger than him. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:39.399 And no, it's amazing. It's one of the best feelings 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:43.719 in the world. And if you can if the you know, 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:47.720 age gap, flirtation can be one of the most beautiful things, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.960 I mean in the entire universe. Yes, absolutely, as long 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.480 as there is an unspoken agreement that no one that 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:59.240 everyone is actually like in touch with the signs being sent. Yes, 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:02.679 because even enjoy a flirtation with no desire to do 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:03.200 anything after. 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.560 Of course, even if you are literally attracted with the person. 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:06.639 Like it has nothing to do with that. It just 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.920 has to do with what's appropriate at any given time. 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.520 And I think knowing that is one of the biggest 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.159 parts of being. 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.840 Okay, and you know what, while we're at it, bosses 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.120 should be able to hit on assistance. Okay, next question, 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.880 Next question, you know before we go to the next question, 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.479 something I realized, and we can keep this in. It's 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:27.920 going to be really funny to have the video of 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:29.639 this where we're both holding up our laptops to the 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:39.760 microphone at every call. I think it'll be funny. 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:49.960 Hi there, this is for George listening to that app 0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:57.080 with Coolio. I wanted to know has your life been 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:04.719 affected outside of the A podcast, of course, but when Julio 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:09.399 asked you or I don't even know if he asked 0:20:09.480 --> 0:20:13.120 or told you better without glasses or like why don't 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.480 you not wear glasses? I just wanted to know if 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:22.639 that's like completely I know your podcast personas you know, 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.320 I appreciate that you are separate from who you. 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:31.080 Are on this podcast, but did that like rattle you 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.840 or impact your day to day being? 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:41.879 I felt like stripped about myself and I've been constantly thinking, like, 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:46.280 do what I need to get contacts? But I absolutely 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.639 love my glasses, but I am like, I mean, they 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:55.280 are just naturally an obstruction of my face. And not 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.520 to make it all about me, I just but I 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:58.600 did want to know. 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:02.080 Like that felt so so and I wanted to know 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.119 if you, like in your day to day kind of 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.119 think of God, now, are you seeing yourself. 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:12.240 Wear glasses last? Or do you just not give a fuck? Okay, anyways, 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:13.360 let me too. 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:17.040 Sam, and maybe just give me your thoughts as well. 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:17.840 Bye. 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:20.680 First of all, I just want to say I appreciate 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.280 that this color recognizes that we play characters on the 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.600 podcast much like Lady Gaga and Joe Calderon or Beyond 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:31.120 San Sasha Fears, and it is all fully scripted. We 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:33.879 have a lot of script meetings with the execs beforehand, 0:21:34.000 --> 0:21:35.600 and I think we've been doing a really good job 0:21:35.600 --> 0:21:36.200 of the storylines. 0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:39.320 We've never dropped character. It's been so amazing to see 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.159 our characters grow and change. I also love. 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:47.400 That Julio's criticism is so powerful that this listener who 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.160 has never met Julio, I assume, is having a full 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:53.879 on identity crisis about whether or not you should keep 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:54.760 wearing glasses. 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.560 Sometimes, I actually think it's more powerful to overhear a 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.360 conversation that like somewhat pertains to you than how someone 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:01.120 directly tell you. 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:04.280 Well, undoubtedly, because it is completely unfiltered, like yeah, you 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.560 hear someone, It's like something simple as some hearing someone 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:11.080 being like I mean one of the most tragic things 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.760 you can do is wear a green polo, which, for 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:15.840 others not watching, is what I'm wearing now, and they're like, 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:17.480 oh my god, what. No one would ever say that 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:19.639 to my face. But that is just like suddenly you're like, oh, 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:21.399 I'm naked. Yeah, suddenly it's like, oh, I have to 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.160 change fast before anyone notices, you know, Whereas if you're 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.080 already being seen wearing the green polo, you're sort of like, Oh, 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:29.320 it's no big deal, the worst has happened, I'm wearing it. 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:30.760 That is really tough. 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.800 So to answer this question, you are correct to point 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:36.280 out that it felt like a pretty real moment at 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.400 the time. And I must say, in the spirit of earnestness, 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:42.080 which is what these call in shows were originally designed 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:46.080 to be, I was very taken aback by that interaction, 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.600 and I felt like I when I was trying to 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:51.480 sort of like lobby it back to Julu and be like, 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:53.400 have you ever considered not dyeing your hair? He wasn't 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:55.760 exactly engaging in the same way that I was engaging 0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:58.640 in a sort of comedic commentary about my persona. 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:04.119 Would well, it's so complex that interaction is obviously so 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:11.920 complex because yes, like Julio is being so direct, yeah, 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:15.440 and somewhat toxically direct, but at the same time he 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.479 thinks he's giving you like a compliment almost, and and 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:20.960 he's like thrown off that you think it's not a 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:23.760 good it's an insult. Yeah, and so he like doesn't 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.560 even know how to like process what you're saying. It 0:23:26.600 --> 0:23:30.040 was like watching it, I was like, I'm watching like 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:34.560 a fundamental disagreement that is, like the disagreement of worldview 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:38.840 rather than like opinions. Yes, and so I was like, huh, 0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:40.399 this is so interesting. 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:42.840 I know, it really felt like a rip in reality 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:44.399 where I was like, oh, no, we are we have 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:46.960 fundamentally different ways of viewing the world. 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:51.880 I always think, like I somewhat wrongly am like we're 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:55.080 all relatively the same, yeah, no matter our backgrounds, like, 0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.280 no matter, Like I'm sort of like, I'm like, well, 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:01.120 we're all brought together through comedy and this especially comedy 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:04.800 in New York City. We all know a similar worldview whatever. 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:07.639 And then it's like, nope, not even close. 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.240 I mean this is now not even about Julio, but 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.359 to your point about comedy, there's something about comedy, stand 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:15.840 up comedy, where you can come at it from completely 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:20.200 different entry points. So you can come at it through 0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:23.639 wanting to be an actor and taking acting class and 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:26.480 discovering this different route of performance. You can come at 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:28.399 it because you want to be a writer and you 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:30.159 feel like this is a way to get your writing 0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.879 out there. You can now, especially in this town, people 0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:37.080 come at it through clowning. Through clowning and sort of 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:39.719 like you can come at it through like the art 0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:43.320 world and like being like essentially like doing performance art. 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:46.520 So and I think that's not true of many, Like 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:53.400 that's not true of painters or sculptors or honestly even playwrights. 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:56.800 Like there is something specific it's it brings such a 0:24:56.840 --> 0:25:03.360 diverse group of people together. There anyway, has my interaction 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.040 with Julio changed my view of my glasses. 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:11.240 I'm certainly more open to not wearing glasses after that interaction, 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:14.440 I will say, interesting. Yeah. 0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:16.879 And the other reason I got so defensive about that 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.840 is because specifically with these glasses, I've been wanting to 0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:22.199 replace them for a while and have like you know, 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.399 when you are overwhelmed with choices and you don't know 0:25:24.440 --> 0:25:26.920 which one to pick and it's now been fully like 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.560 years of being like, okay, it's time to change, time 0:25:29.600 --> 0:25:31.520 to change them, so to be for them to be 0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.359 pointed out as a flaw, I was like, oh, so 0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:35.680 everyone else sees this as well. 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:37.840 That makes sense that that was a big part of 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:41.600 that interaction. That makes sense. I will say glasses because 0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.240 they do become part of one's identity. It's a very 0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:47.240 difficult thing to switch up. I know. I even find 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:51.840 with sunglasses, I'm like, I get like, I don't want 0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:53.480 to switch it up too much because I'm like, well, 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.040 people won't know who I am because those are my sunglasses. 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.680 But it's tough. It's tough. I'll play the next one. 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:04.119 Okay, I Sam and George, I love a pod. The 0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:06.000 first one I want to say was a girl who 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.520 dragged my whole family around the Las Vegas strip to 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.159 see the meat dress and it was so worth it. 0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:13.240 Thanks for putting me on. 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:18.119 So my question is as a lesbian. 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.399 When I realized I was a lesbian. 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:22.879 I figured I had no more use for men in 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:24.560 my life in any. 0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:24.920 Sort of way. 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.280 But I'm kind of in the market for a gay guy. 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:30.480 BSF one do I really need one? 0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:32.040 And two? 0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:33.040 How do I get one? 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:39.760 Thanks by Wow, what a powerful call. We talked sort 0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:43.920 of about the lesbian who goes to the gay guy 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:47.320 trips and like sort of is like I need gay 0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.240 guys to like actually fucking lose my mind with. It's 0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:50.840 the lesbian. 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:53.440 It's a specific kind of lesbian archetype, and I feel 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.240 comfortable theorizing about it because I know multiple of these 0:26:56.359 --> 0:26:58.879 lesbians and it is it's sort of the equivalent of 0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:00.640 a lesbian being like I was on the wrong body, 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:04.879 but only party wise, Like she's like I love women. 0:27:05.160 --> 0:27:08.320 I'm like, I'm not like a self hating lesbian, but 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.840 I just simply have the stamina of a gay guy 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.680 when it comes to drugs and alcohol and staying out late. 0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:18.280 It's so I've become friends with a lesbian of this 0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:20.560 ill Oh yes, I've met her, and she is so 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:24.800 to die for. And it's such a nice respite because 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.760 you get the like hard party, I'm being crazy, I'm 0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:32.119 being fun, and you get like lesbian like groundedness completely 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:33.919 and I'm like, it's like every time I see her 0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:35.679 at a party, I'm like, thank God, I can like 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:36.480 take a breath. 0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:39.960 It's incredible to see her at a party after having 0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:42.520 like fifteen interactions in a row that have felt like 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:44.920 everyone is like looking you up and down and trying 0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:46.639 to like decide what they want from you. And then 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.840 suddenly you're having a genuine interaction with someone that's like 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.040 asking about your day. You're like, Oh, I didn't know 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:52.720 that was an option. 0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:56.040 It's so nice. So I think you should get a 0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.760 gay guy BFF or even just find sort of a 0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.520 gay guy friend squad and hop into. 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:05.080 Yeah, I hop into the friends squad and then hang 0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:07.119 out with them, and then find the one you like most, 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:11.800 ask him to like a solo omakase even or you know, 0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:13.520 just like a solo drink at a gay bar. 0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:16.600 Yes, and I think it could be really huge. 0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:19.920 And I also I really think friendships between lesbians and 0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.359 gay guys are so important. Of course, some of my 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:28.840 most foundational and valuable friendships are with lesbians. And I 0:28:28.880 --> 0:28:32.200 think that there needs to be more reaching across the aisle, 0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.800 especially in an era where gay guys are getting more 0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.880 and more isolated in their own groups because it's easier 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:38.840 than ever for them to meet. 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.920 Yeah, very very insular. Yeah, it's nice to see you 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:45.040 know what fundamental differences are true? Yeah, and which ones 0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:46.120 are not true and the. 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:52.240 Give and take of like having an alternative perspective on relationships, 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.840 on sex, on culture, on politics. 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:59.960 You know, it makes a difference. Folks, reach across the aisle. 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:05.600 Hey, gay guys, Lisaray from Seattle, I want to get 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:10.800 George's official on the record comment on Athena Dion and 0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:16.040 her Greek representation this season on the group Pulse Rock Rites. Okay, 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.240 love you guys, by So. 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:24.320 My thoughts on Athena deon broadly speaking, because again this 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:25.880 will come out in a month or longer. 0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:27.280 Yeah, So I just don't. I have no idea if 0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:29.040 she's already been eliminated. I have no idea if she's 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.840 already won the whole season. And I got to say, 0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:34.680 I'm imagining an answer to the second one is no. 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:38.640 But my thoughts on her are that I think. 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:40.640 She is. 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:46.840 Literally, in like a pageant type way, amazing representation of 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:51.000 Greek people because she is clearly, you know, very sweet 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:54.400 and professional and you know, wears her heart on her 0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:57.440 sleeve and is not evil, and so I'm like, wow, 0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:02.239 like she is this is in the most literal way 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.160 good representation where you're like, wow, great people are nice, 0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:08.720 that's good. But I think my issue with her is 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:10.640 if you're gonna be Athena Deon, if you're gonna be 0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.280 you know, Athena is the goddess of wisdom. There's so 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.000 much imagery that has you know, there's a you know, 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:20.840 there's the owl, there's the armor, there's a you know, 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.040 a sort of a toga thing you could do. I'm like, 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:26.120 if your thing is Greek goddess, really commit to Greek goddess, 0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.280 like have it be in the same way that if 0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:35.400 you were I don't know, let's say, if you were 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:41.120 oh god, oh God, what's like another trope tied to 0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:44.080 an ethnicity that I am allowed to talk about, Like 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.080 you know what I mean. Yeah, Like if you were 0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.720 French and you were Joan of Arc, sure go Joan 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:55.920 of Arc. If you were you know, Mexican, and you 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:57.800 are free to call it and that's your thing, do 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.480 the eyebrow, go free to call it. Like you're clearly 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:04.360 playing with your own ethnic background and doing this kind 0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.760 of like this this kind of Greek thing. So like, 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:12.120 really go full toga, really go like big costume me 0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:14.000 Like that's sort of what I'm or if you want 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:19.120 to go the opposite direction goes super elegant and draping toga. 0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:19.760 That'd be nice. 0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:22.920 And I'm sort of I'm like, you are halfway between 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:29.920 Greek goddess and super professional host of the Big Drag Brunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:34.520 which I know she's known for hosting, so that's maybe 0:31:34.600 --> 0:31:36.680 exactly where she wants to be. I think she needs 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.080 to she needs to split. She's always splitting the difference 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:40.200 between host and goddess. 0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:42.840 Yeah, that's a tough and it's a tough but I mean, 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.360 talk about a Demi god. Is that where you're a 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:47.400 half human? Oh my god, she's very Demi goddess. 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:49.000 She's a Demi goddess. I think that's the issue with her. 0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:51.440 She's a Demi goddess because she's half host, half goddess. 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:56.240 And I think I know, yeah, I'm sorry to say, 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.880 but I think she has to get more in touch 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:02.920 with her goddess and leave the host identity behind because 0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:04.800 a host is not a winner of drag race. 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:07.240 That is one of the toughest things. Is like, when 0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:09.720 you're in a career and you're like, well, to start, 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:11.400 I need to be a host, I know, and then 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:14.560 she's like, now she's ascending to literally the TV heavens. Yeah, 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:16.360 and it's like, oh, you have to leave that part 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:18.520 of you behind, but it's so hard because it's so trained. 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:19.400 Yeah. 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:24.040 But I think that she seems really lovely. I love 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.520 that her thing is being a Mikonos. I think the 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:31.280 Mikonos girls have such a difficult task because they are 0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:34.440 dealing with the most annoying and rancid gay guys twenty 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.160 four to seven. Like, I know where she I know 0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:40.960 the club where she hosts and Mikonos. It is so 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:45.240 expensive and overpriced. It is like it is evil gay 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:48.320 guys on vacation. Like to deal with those and maintain 0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:50.840 your cool and host a show, Like, my heart goes 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:51.360 out to her. 0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:51.840 Well. 0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:54.520 I also wonder if when you are a Greek queen, 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.640 is it like in Greece hacked to be like I'm 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:02.280 doing Athena, I'm doinging the Goddesses, I'm doing well. 0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:09.080 The thing is she's not performing for Greek people. She's 0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.400 doing she's basically the equivalent of like going to you know, 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:17.880 like a revolutionary war re enactment and having people dress 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.320 this revolutionary war soldiers. 0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:23.880 Like she is. She's performing Greek for non Greek it's 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:25.200 cruise ship. 0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:28.480 It's cruise ship like it's like going to a Broadway 0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:32.320 themed drag show and someone whos dresses Alpha ba and so. 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.840 Because otherwise she's based in La Florida, I think she's 0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:39.680 not like he's not like from Greece. But I but 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:42.640 I really want to say that I support her and 0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.840 I it's a joy to have her on my television. 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:53.160 And I'm excited to see what she does at All Stars. Okay, 0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.520 next question, who do you who? 0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:02.000 I'm a longtime listener, first time caller. My name is 0:34:02.000 --> 0:34:05.960 Mollie and I'm calling because my childhood bestie Ray. Shout 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.160 out Ray, who is a huge fan, longtime Glimmer girl. 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:09.520 I have. 0:34:09.640 --> 0:34:13.000 Actually we went to see Guys Live Together in Summerville. 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:18.359 Loved it. She's getting lesbian married soon and we're having 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:19.799 her bachelorette party. 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:21.640 Coming up in like a week or so. 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.000 I scoured all your episodes and I didn't see like 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:27.160 bachelorette bachelor party as a straight topic. So if I 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:31.200 missed it, I'm sorry, but to me, it feels so straight. However, 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.880 at this batch, both brides will be going together and 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:38.319 everyone there is basically a lesbian beside me and we're 0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:41.760 even but like we're also doing one of the straightest 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:45.480 things one can even do, aka a PowerPoint party. And 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:50.040 I say this as a consultant, but like our bachelorette 0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:53.000 parties still the straightest thing one can do. Have we 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:56.840 gone full circle? Are they so straight in the past 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:58.520 and now they're kind of camp and it's fun? 0:34:58.560 --> 0:34:58.799 Again? 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:03.680 What's the verse? It's here? I'm just curious for your guys' thoughts. 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:05.360 Are if this was a topic that's come up and 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:08.360 I missed them, I'm so sorry, But yes, going to 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:12.879 a lesbian bachelora party in Miami. By the way, I'm 0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:17.080 doing a bunch of really traditional hetero in my opinion, 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.040 gotch things. So just thinking about it. 0:35:20.120 --> 0:35:21.000 Okay, I love you all. 0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:22.359 Hope everything's going well. 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:22.759 Bye. 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.120 By the way, I just want to say, like, when 0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.359 I think of the STRAIGHTI Lab listener, it is a 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:31.000 straight woman who works in consulting, who's friends with all 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.440 lesbians and going to a lesbian bacherette party and then 0:35:33.520 --> 0:35:36.080 is over analyzing despite the fact that she's the only 0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:37.640 non lesbian, she's the one over analyzing. 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:40.320 How heteronormative. That's amazing. 0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:42.799 I'm like, I could cry thinking about the fact that, like, 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:46.480 she can get entertainment from us talking, like, can you 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.600 imagine how difficult it is to find something she likes 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:50.320 in the pop culture landscape? 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:53.840 Yeah, those interests insane. 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.160 It makes me so happy that, like, we have found 0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.040 the people that we are meant to be talking to, 0:35:58.120 --> 0:35:58.560 and it's. 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:02.800 Her doing an amazing job. So we have never discussed 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:04.840 bachelor or bachelorette parties, is that true? 0:36:04.880 --> 0:36:07.400 We have had an episode with Natalie Ryder Lateman about 0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:08.160 Penis Straws. 0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:09.680 Her topic was Penis Straws. 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.120 I must admit it was years ago, and I don't 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:14.200 remember how much we really got into the meat of 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.719 the topic, but I imagine that since the topic was 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.520 Penis Straws, bacherette parties were mentioned, of course, But no, 0:36:19.600 --> 0:36:23.480 we've never done an episode about bachelrette parties. Which it's funny. 0:36:23.520 --> 0:36:27.400 It's one of those things, much like I don't know 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.160 various sports, like sports we haven't discussed that is so 0:36:31.280 --> 0:36:33.600 obviously straight that it seems a bit on the nose. 0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:35.959 But I would be down to have like a real 0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:39.320 town hall about the state of bachelorette parties. 0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:45.240 I find it so complicated because you know, sometimes I'm worried. 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.879 I'm literally ann Lee where I'm like. 0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:52.120 You have a syndrome and you syndrome where the patient 0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:53.480 thinks that he's ann Lee. 0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.040 Where I'm literally like, well, don't celebrate that. Like I'm 0:36:57.080 --> 0:37:01.480 sort of like like I get like weirdly like superfluous 0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:05.200 celebrations and I'm like, well that is not like it's 0:37:05.239 --> 0:37:07.080 sort of my like want to suffer or I'm like 0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:09.759 that is nothing to celebrate until you've earned it. 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.279 Well, we both have this in common. It's like how 0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.920 we it's like how we're uncomfortable with birthdays because we're 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:15.799 like I haven't earned this. 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:21.439 Yeah, And so I'm like, uh, I'm really surprised when 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.839 LGBTQ plus people do a bachelor or a bachelorette party. Yeah, 0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:29.759 because I'm like, like, in the straight narrative, it makes 0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:32.839 sense to me because you are like in theory, by 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:36.759 default we're monogamous. This is like our last wild night 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:39.879 as single people, and then we are like locked up 0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:43.719 my pathetic cock because in a cage. And this is 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:49.719 not like for gay people. It's so like everything is 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.160 a conversation, like we can be having new partners, you know, 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:56.000 two years from now or ten years from now, we're 0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:58.799 just sort of like building our own relationship structure at 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:01.919 all points. And I'm sort of like, so why keep 0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:05.800 this one traditional thing? I know, and I get partying 0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.000 that's fun, but I'm like, but I don't need a 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:09.000 reason necessarily. 0:38:09.840 --> 0:38:10.160 I know. 0:38:10.360 --> 0:38:13.160 It makes me think if there's a way to rebrand 0:38:13.200 --> 0:38:17.880 bachelor rett parties as like, I don't know, in the 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:22.759 same way that you would rebrand like a funeral as 0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:25.319 a celebration of life or something like, if there's a 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:27.680 way to rebrand it where it's not about chastity and 0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:31.920 it's not about your last chance to see boobs or 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.239 your last chance to see a cock, like if it's 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:37.000 just like friendship. Yes, And I think people do that 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:39.879 with when people have joint bachelor parties, like a couple 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.560 has joint bachelor party or or joint bachel rett party. 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:44.879 I think that is a step towards that where it's 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:47.160 like more of a celebration of community than a celebration 0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.600 of uh, you know, chastity. 0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:53.440 But that to me is the wedding. I know it's tough. 0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:55.640 I think that what happens is because of the wedding 0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:59.640 industrial complex, people try to fit in as much around 0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:01.920 the wedding as possible, whereas I actually think what we 0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:05.359 need more of is anniversary traditions. Yes, like it would 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:07.560 be so fun if there was a specific five year 0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:12.040 anniversary party or a specific ten year anniversary thing, or 0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:17.200 even like one year after a thing where you get 0:39:17.239 --> 0:39:21.960 a bunch of friends together and get dinner. I'm trying 0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:25.600 to think, like, I just think there's a way to 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.000 decouple all the wedding events, and that way you're also 0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:30.759 not spending so much money all in the span of 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:32.799 like a couple of months. You're not asking everyone to 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:33.360 do all these. 0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:35.520 Favors for you, because then by the time it's the wedding, 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:36.799 everyone's like sick of your shit. 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:39.520 No, well, this is my big thing with bachelor and 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:44.240 bacherette parties, And of course this is not about anyone 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:45.800 I know that has had them. And it's been a 0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:49.440 joy to attend everyone that I have attended, But I 0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:54.239 would feel so guilty asking people to do something for me. 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:59.319 Yeah, Like they also come from a time like like 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:01.799 when people would like get married earlier, so it was 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:03.759 like in theory, I think you're like even if they're 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:05.960 like college, like you met your partner in college. Yeah, 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:07.560 and it's like two years out of college. So then 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:09.960 all your friends get together again and it's like you 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:12.200 all kind of live in the same place still. I 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.000 think there's like but when everyone's like fully spread out 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.360 across the country, no one's in the same place. To 0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:21.719 travel twice in one year for a friend, I'm like, 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:22.840 this is crazy to me. 0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.200 You know what's funny? Actually, am I a grum? No, 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:27.759 You're not a grump. And this is what I'll say 0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:30.960 about it. I and I mean this. I mean this genuinely. 0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:32.080 I have never. 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:38.360 Not I have never begrudgingly attended a bachel rep party, 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:41.280 and personally speaking as a guest, I'm always like excited 0:40:41.280 --> 0:40:44.920 that I get to take a trip. However, if I 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:48.960 were to do one, my guilt that someone is begrudgingly 0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:52.200 attending would be so great that I could not enjoy myself. 0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:55.520 It is much more self inflicted than like speaking from 0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:58.000 my own experience as an attendee, you know what I mean, Like, 0:40:58.320 --> 0:41:01.480 I don't I can't think or a bachelor party I've 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:02.960 been to where I've been Like, I can't believe this 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:04.520 bitch is making me do this, Like I have to 0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:08.200 take off of work usually it's actually like a nice break. 0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:11.080 But again, if I did it, I would be I 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:13.960 would be legitimately constantly apologizing in a way that would 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:15.960 annoy everyone. I'd be like and thank you. I know 0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:17.120 that everyone has a lot to do and think you 0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:18.399 so much for being here, and oh no, of course 0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:20.200 I'll just like put this bill like no need to pay, 0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:21.960 and then I would just make things awkward for everyone. 0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.560 Yeah. Yeah, I'm very like I'm just gonna go by myself, 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:27.719 Like I'm going to go to the beach and like 0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:30.480 read a book and you guys have fun. Or combine it. 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:34.319 For example, let's say you're already going to a gate 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:37.239 like a Peetown trip and you have it every year. 0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:42.400 Let's say it's the year that you're getting married, do 0:41:42.480 --> 0:41:44.120 a big dinner and that's the bachelor dinner. 0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:44.560 Yeah. 0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:48.880 Or let's say you know you are going to a 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:51.759 music festival, make that the bachelor party. Like take something 0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.319 that's already celebratory and just like put a little sash on, 0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:56.480 have a nice time, because. 0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:59.480 That does make a difference. Yeah, with this col in particular, 0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:04.360 I do hope. I don't know how much lesbians like 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:08.440 fetishi is straight culture. Yeah, because I do know how 0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:10.440 much gay guys do, and I like could think it's 0:42:10.440 --> 0:42:14.880 funny for gay guys to like, uh, you know, go 0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:19.239 golfing or something like something like really straight guy. I 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.240 could see how that would be sort of erotically charged 0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:22.960 even yeah, fun But I don't know if that's what 0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:24.759 this lesbian is getting over. I don't know if that's 0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:25.919 what this lesbian is doing. 0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:29.319 But I do think lesbians fetishi is straight culture, not 0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:30.680 in fetishi is the wrong word. 0:42:30.719 --> 0:42:31.839 I don't think it's erotic for them. 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:33.759 I think it is like funny in camp, like I 0:42:33.800 --> 0:42:37.480 could imagine I can imagine lesbians, I know, being like 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:40.160 how funny would it be to literally have a penis 0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.360 straw at my bachelor red party? Sure, and to like 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:46.600 have a sash that says bride and like pinterest font. 0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:48.920 And to answer the question. 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:50.680 About whether bachel of red parties are still straight or 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:51.640 if they're camp. 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:52.520 They're still straight. 0:42:52.719 --> 0:42:55.680 Yeah, they're still like they're obviously camp viewed from a distance. 0:42:55.719 --> 0:42:58.880 But like I hate to say this, like when you 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:01.880 see a group of you know, blonde women that are 0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:04.839 at a batch red party, they are evil, Like there's 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:07.520 something in their eyes. They are out for blood. 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:08.400 It's scary. 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:11.360 It's scary, and it's honestly scarier than men at a 0:43:11.400 --> 0:43:12.040 bachelor party. 0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:13.120 I agree. 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.560 Like a group of lightly drunk women in a limo 0:43:16.680 --> 0:43:18.920 that are going from one event to another in Nashville, 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:23.319 they will murder you. And it's very rare that women 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:24.239 are more evil than men. 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:27.799 They're never find your They are organized, by the way, 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:29.680 because one of them, it's like Rebecca and she's the 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:31.319 one with a spreadshoot and she's like, okay, so we 0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.960 did murder someone. Here's step one and she is like, 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.799 just cut up the arms and legs. The ravine is 0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:38.360 on the way to the club, so we can just 0:43:38.400 --> 0:43:40.000 drop it in the water, just drop it off. 0:43:40.160 --> 0:43:42.160 Meanwhile, the limo drivers right there, but all of them 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:46.759 are like, he's not gonna say anything, right, No. I 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:50.920 think that it's really scary what happens. It's really scary 0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:55.640 what happens psychically, and it's also it makes you think 0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:59.640 what if women were able to channel that into like 0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:01.920 maybe assassinating a political figure. 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.279 Well, we need more female assassins. I've always said it's true, 0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.080 Just don't assassinate Amanda Seafree. 0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:11.759 No stick to like evil guys. I don't kill Bill mode, 0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:13.839 although I have to say she was not a girl's girl. 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.000 She assassinated all her female friends as well. 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:20.520 Do you know she's an equal opportunity offender. That's right, 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:27.920 kill Bill. Beatrice Kiddo was the first equal opportunity of bender. 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:45.279 So what's going on with George's hair? Did he hair 0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.799 transplant or has he just been doing ball? Guys still 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:52.239 in Valor for like all this time? We need to 0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:53.320 know nobody. 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:55.319 Okay, I love this. 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.480 I just want to say I did not get a 0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.879 hair transplant, but I have absolute no judgment to those 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:04.000 who do. Some of my best friends legitimately have gotten 0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:05.040 them in the recent past. 0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:06.440 And actually someone I know and I won't. 0:45:06.239 --> 0:45:09.279 Say who went to Greece to get one recently, which 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:10.920 I didn't even know it was discounted in Greece. 0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:12.319 I had heard of Turkey, but I never heard, of 0:45:12.320 --> 0:45:14.800 course a new Turkey. And I've even heard South Korea. 0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:19.680 Oh that's interesting. What about North Korea? I've also now 0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:23.239 heard through no, through someone else who I'm not gonna mention, 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:26.040 there is a person in La that three people you 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.839 know have gone to really yes, wow, two of them 0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.680 have been on this podcast. What yeah, I love that. 0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.960 I first of all, I love you being accused of this. 0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:39.279 I also think it does speak to the like normalizing 0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:39.600 of it. 0:45:39.800 --> 0:45:41.879 I think it used to be such a weird, crazy thing, 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:44.279 and now it's like people, everyone I know is a 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:47.440 hair transplant influencer. I love that it's normalized. Yeah, me too, 0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:47.919 It's cool. 0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:51.960 I think I worry sometimes about some of the results 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:55.680 that I'm seeing. Really, there are some hairlines. I think 0:45:55.680 --> 0:45:58.239 people are getting a little too confident and being like, 0:45:58.239 --> 0:45:59.920 what if the hairline is like an inch from my eyebrow, 0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:02.880 it has to still look normal. 0:46:03.160 --> 0:46:05.160 Stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to. 0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:06.120 That's correct. 0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:10.720 So I did not get a hair transplant, and I would, 0:46:11.840 --> 0:46:15.479 you know, I would assume that would be obvious based 0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:19.759 on the fact that it has happened gradually. It's sort 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:23.440 of not all at once. But yeah, I just sort of. 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:26.920 And by the way, I was never stealing bald valor 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:28.040 because I was never bald. 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:29.959 It was I had a busk. I was a buzz 0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.600 cut and you could see the hair on top. It 0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:37.360 was just buzzed. It is interesting. I think maybe you're underestimating, 0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:39.960 like the way it was short like the way it 0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.640 was buzzed. It did look like maybe it's like a 0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:44.719 balding thing, and you're just like getting ahead of it. 0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:49.880 I must say one thing, which is that already I 0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:52.600 look at photos of myself from the last eight years 0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:54.839 and I'm like, I can't believe I looked like that 0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:55.520 for eight years. 0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:56.680 I feel so much. 0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:59.239 I actually think I look so much better with long hair, 0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:02.360 and it it's crazy that, for whatever reason I decided 0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:04.319 for eight year it was it was like inertia. It 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:05.560 was just kind of like, Okay, well, this is what 0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:06.799 I do. This is what I asked for. When I 0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:08.759 get a haircut. It seems like such a more deal 0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:10.799 to grow it out, and I'm like, why the fuck 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.400 was I doing that? I mean, it looked good for 0:47:13.440 --> 0:47:15.680 the records, well, I think day to day I felt 0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:19.520 like I looked fine. But even now, I mean, I'm 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:22.440 forced to constantly watch clips of myself because I'm promoting 0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:24.960 the special, and I'm like, that looks bad, Like I 0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:25.640 should have hair. 0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:30.759 I mean, it wasn't seeing your hair now. It was 0:47:30.800 --> 0:47:33.640 an interesting choice. I knew you had hair, but I 0:47:33.760 --> 0:47:35.880 was like, but maybe, like I was like, because you 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:37.560 would describe it like Oh, you know it's so difficult 0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:39.920 because it's thick. Yeah, and now I'm seeing it, I'm like, 0:47:39.960 --> 0:47:42.319 it's not that difficult. It's literally like it's normal hair. 0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:43.080 I know. 0:47:43.239 --> 0:47:43.520 I think. 0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:45.400 I think what it was is the last time I 0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:49.040 really had longer hair, I was younger and more insecure 0:47:49.080 --> 0:47:51.920 in general, and every little thing that was imperfect, I 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.200 was like, oh, well I look bad, Like this looks bad. 0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:56.160 I need to fixure out the right haircut. 0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:58.439 And now I'm kind of like, I'm aware that it's 0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:00.960 sort of uneven and I I don't have product in it, 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:02.359 and I don't I don't care. 0:48:02.719 --> 0:48:04.720 Yeah, and no one is no one. 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:08.879 Notices, I mean, and it's more affordable. By the way, 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:10.400 I was getting haircuts every two weeks. 0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:15.359 Oh, and I know you weren't going cheap. I've had 0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:18.880 this happen before, where someone who like is ball presenting 0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:21.160 like suddenly just grows their hair out, and it does 0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:23.160 freak me out, Like I get why people are like, wait. 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:28.120 What it's also I have to say, uh, it is, 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:32.960 hair in general is something that like makes people excited, 0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:38.240 like I've never gotten Every single time I post anything, 0:48:38.719 --> 0:48:41.080 I get fifteen dms that are like okay. 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:43.399 Hair, hair, Okay, hair, what's going on with your hair? 0:48:44.160 --> 0:48:44.640 Hair looks? 0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:47.000 Hair looks fab hair looks amazing, by the way, And 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:48.759 I think the same thing would happen if I were 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:50.359 to go the other way, right, if if you were 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:52.320 to buzz your head, people be like, Okay, love the buzz. 0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:53.080 Interesting. 0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:55.279 It's like, because you know what it is, I'm having 0:48:55.280 --> 0:48:59.200 this realization. It's one of the few appearance based things 0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:00.560 that is more neutral. 0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:01.799 We're still allowed to comment on. 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:05.479 Literally, you can't talk about someone losing or gaining weight. 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:13.880 You can't talk about someone getting plastic surgery, you can't 0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:16.080 talk about like. It really is one of the very 0:49:16.160 --> 0:49:18.040 very few things that is safe. 0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:20.600 Yeah, if only we could get taller and shorter, then 0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:21.000 we could. 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:26.480 Talk about now well scream materialists. 0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:32.239 Wow, Okay, Okay, So I already sent another one, but 0:49:32.320 --> 0:49:33.520 I stuttered. 0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:33.920 And I hung up. 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:35.759 But I don't know if you actually got it. And 0:49:35.800 --> 0:49:38.120 I'm scared, but I'm gonna ask the same question. 0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:40.160 So today, it's going to be in a lot of 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:42.960 movies this year, and a lot of people are already 0:49:42.960 --> 0:49:46.399 predicting that there's going to be discourse asking why she's 0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:51.160 in every movie. Is there any conversation that's already happened 0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:53.839 in the past that you see making a comeback this year. 0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:58.120 Sorry, a lot of people, a lot of people are 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:01.400 predicting there is gonna be this of course about Zenda 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:03.520 being in too many movies is one of the most 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:06.600 amazing gig Guy sentences I've heard in my life. It's 0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:09.720 like I'm monitoring the situation and the markets are saying 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:12.319 that there is going to be discourse. I repeat, there's 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:15.000 gonna be discourse about Zendia being in too many movies. 0:50:15.080 --> 0:50:17.600 It's also Trump, It's gig Guy Trump. It's a lot 0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:19.279 of people are saying there's gonna be a lot of 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:23.160 particularly so amazing to confidently be like a lot of people. 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:25.520 Just I want everyone to be prepared. A lot of 0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.360 people are saying. 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:29.520 There's gonna be discourse about Zendia being into many movies. 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:32.960 That aside, what discourse do you think is gonna make 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:33.480 a comeback? 0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:43.240 I mean it's all dark sure, Like discourse is never fun. Yeah, 0:50:43.280 --> 0:50:45.360 I'm trying to give a playful discourse. 0:50:45.120 --> 0:50:46.640 Right well, I mean one of the big ones that's 0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:49.440 making a comeback is like, is racism good or bad? 0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:51.680 One of the big ones that's coming back is like 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.799 not seeing enough people posting about this, oh church in 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:57.520 a way where I'm like, I cannot believe we're doing 0:50:57.840 --> 0:51:01.359 that again. I know, like evening like like I saw 0:51:01.360 --> 0:51:02.920 a tweet. This is kind of informed by a tweet. 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:06.560 But somebody was like shared like a Billie Eilish thing 0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:09.600 where she's like looking to my other celebrities, why aren't 0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.880 people posting? And somebody was like, it's such an American 0:51:12.920 --> 0:51:17.600 concept for people wanting celebrities specifically to like post, yeah, 0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.279 because it's like it obviously, this is like a very 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:23.360 important time and we need to be making our voices heard. 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.839 But there's more ways to make your voice heard than 0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:31.040 just posting to stories and and so it's like such 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:34.799 a funny like they didn't post the stories, they don't care. Yeah, 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:37.000 And it's like we went through this already and it 0:51:37.080 --> 0:51:40.400 was so clearly the wrong way of thinking completely, and 0:51:40.440 --> 0:51:43.200 I think we learned that I thought we did. And 0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.000 it's so back. It's so back. 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:45.560 You know. 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:50.120 What's related to that is critiquing wearing a pin to 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:54.319 an award show. Yeah, and I think being like, well 0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:58.719 a pin means nothing, or posting a you know, a 0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:02.120 block of tech or something means nothing. It's like, yes, 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:06.680 it is a show of solidarity. It's like having a 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:10.359 bumper sticker. Like, no one is arguing that a pin 0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:15.680 is going to make material change. Yeah, in fact, you're 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:18.400 the dumb one for assuming that's what they thought they 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:19.160 were doing. 0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:20.759 Like if a celebrity. 0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:23.640 Is wearing a ice outpin at sun Dance, that is 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:27.319 just a small gesture they are doing to show that 0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:33.560 they care, and that's it. It is not worthy of critique. Well, 0:52:33.560 --> 0:52:34.120 it's sort of. 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:37.840 Like both of the It's like the conversation around like 0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:40.680 corporate pride, which I do think has like very much 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:44.400 died down. And part of that is obviously because corporations 0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:46.680 were like, Okay, we're gonna stop like fashion stems back, 0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:50.400 We're not doing pride anymore. And so now it's like 0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:52.680 this whole thing of like now I wonder if the 0:52:52.719 --> 0:52:54.560 discourse that will come back as being like we need 0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:58.759 corporations to support pride again, which is like it is 0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:00.640 one of those things where it's like both sides of 0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:04.480 that critique are stupid and I don't know what is right. 0:53:05.840 --> 0:53:08.719 Yeah, I in terms of discord is coming back. I 0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:11.520 also want to say I have done something really shocking recently, 0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:16.680 which is that I join Threads. I'm not posting on 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:19.719 it or using it really, but what happens is, when 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:21.920 you're scrolling on Instagram, you'll get a suggested one and 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.239 curiosity will get me, and then I'll click on it, 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:26.200 and then it'll take me to the threads homepage. 0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:27.839 Curiosity has almost gotten me, and. 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:30.799 Then I'll scroll for maybe two minutes, and the things 0:53:30.800 --> 0:53:34.399 that are happening in threads are shocking. I don't know 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:37.400 how to even express what I'm seeing. It is like 0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:44.960 a bacchanall of sort of it's like cancel culture drag. 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:47.360 It's like no one's heart is in it, but every 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:49.480 single hour they are canceling a new person. 0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:51.280 It is so weird. 0:53:51.800 --> 0:53:54.160 And of course, you know, it's kind of like fifty 0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:56.120 to fifty, like fifty percent of the time. I'm like, oh, sure, 0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:57.840 this person sucks fifty percent of the time. It's like 0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:01.560 completely random, but the tone is the same, and it's 0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:05.440 almost like people are ravenous for that kind of like 0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:06.840 gladiator like environment. 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:09.960 Again, Yeah, it was like a brain exercise, like it 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:12.399 was like fun to sort of examine why or why 0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:15.719 not someone should be canceled. It's like freelance lawyering completely. 0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:17.560 You're like, oh, I can like look at this thing 0:54:17.560 --> 0:54:19.200 they posted in twenty seventeen, but then look at what 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:22.000 they didn't say this. Yeah, and it's like so confirmed 0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:23.160 case they are bad. 0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:26.239 There's also I don't know how people don't get that 0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:30.120 they're coming across even if they are in the right morally, 0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:33.319 the act of like making a three minute video explaining 0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:37.040 why someone is bad, you are engaging in the logics 0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:40.319 of social media that are ruining the world. Like you are. 0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:43.759 You are like occupying this like real housewife in a 0:54:43.800 --> 0:54:48.600 confessional tone that is quite simply not how anything will 0:54:48.640 --> 0:54:53.880 be solved. It's definitionally it's not how anything will be solved. 0:54:54.000 --> 0:54:58.040 Like you are succumbing to the kind of behavior that 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:00.359 the algorithm wants you just to come to. You think 0:55:00.400 --> 0:55:02.840 you're being the good one. Yeah, and it like is 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:08.240 enough to make me like there was people were coming 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:11.959 for Whitney Cummings because she said something about miss Rachel. 0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:13.839 That sort of goes to show you where we are 0:55:14.239 --> 0:55:17.200 time wise right now. And to be fair, Whitney Comings 0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:18.360 is kind off the deep end. 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:23.600 No, no, completely, but that's the thing is like, we know 0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:25.680 she's off the deep end. Okay, she has been off 0:55:25.680 --> 0:55:29.600 the deep end for years. It is concerning. Yeah, However, 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:33.040 what happens is she'll say something and then people are like, oh, perfect, 0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:35.480 this is an amazing entryway for me to actually do 0:55:35.520 --> 0:55:37.840 my big monologue about how Whitney Comings is off the 0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:40.839 deep end. But then then you're doing your three minute 0:55:40.880 --> 0:55:43.959 monologue and you sound like a crazy person, yeah, because 0:55:44.000 --> 0:55:46.360 you sound like you're hearing voices. 0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:49.040 And then she shares it and is like, actually, that's 0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:52.160 not what I meant, and you're like, she's like bolstering 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:54.720 her fan base. It's just all like you're all playing 0:55:54.719 --> 0:55:56.160 into the game completely. 0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:59.279 You can be the good one, but you have to 0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:01.879 recognize yours all the good one within a reality show 0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:03.160 that is produced by Lucifer. 0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:10.600 His name is Mark Zuckerberg. So that was amazing. But 0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:14.680 for the record, post post post everybody, For the record, 0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:19.720 post post posts. Please share our reels. Never stop posting. 0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:25.160 Repost our tour dates, yes, yes, comment, Oh my. 0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:28.759 God, please like in comment engagement Yeah, let's wait. We 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:30.800 need to get her engagement. Seriously, you guys. 0:56:30.880 --> 0:56:32.719 Comment. That's why George is going out his hair to 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:33.480 get engagement up. 0:56:37.719 --> 0:56:44.120 George Patrick in Deluth, Minnesota, got a wedding related question. 0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:46.719 If you feel like you haven't that too much. My 0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:47.480 boyfriend and I. 0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:50.279 Have his voice, I have a. 0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:56.120 Boner recently and buy a house together. So most people assume, 0:56:56.360 --> 0:56:59.640 or a lot of people assume that wedding is next, 0:57:00.120 --> 0:57:03.800 or even a lot of people. We are already married 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:06.719 and we're not in a huge hurry. But honestly, when 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:11.080 I think about the idea of marriage, getting married, being married, 0:57:11.560 --> 0:57:15.319 one of the more exciting ideas is the possibility of, 0:57:16.000 --> 0:57:19.560 you know, incorporating some fasteful jewelry into our respective looks 0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:23.479 ie wedding band. So I was wondering how you two 0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:28.880 have navigated that in your respective mary lives, because obviously 0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:35.440 a wedding band traditionally a symbol of a woman being married, 0:57:35.760 --> 0:57:37.000 and it. 0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:37.720 Seems like. 0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.120 Traditional wedding bands are different for men and women, but 0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:44.120 for gay guys. 0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:47.880 Or is that the end of the call? Oh, I 0:57:47.880 --> 0:57:50.840 think that's the end of the call. Huh, Well, maybe 0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:51.560 he got cut off. 0:57:51.600 --> 0:57:54.560 But first of all, shout out to Duluth, Minnesota, and 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:55.960 shout out to Minnesota in general. 0:57:57.640 --> 0:58:03.080 That's all same. Yeah, yeah, shout out to Minneapolis. 0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:09.680 Of course maybe yeah, what about that? Okay, So basically, 0:58:09.720 --> 0:58:15.960 what is our relationship to our wedding bands? So I 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:18.840 agree that it is like one of the more appealing 0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:19.640 parts of marriage. 0:58:19.720 --> 0:58:23.080 I love it. It's like one of the It's like, 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:26.600 first of all, inherently hot. It implies that you're married. 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:29.600 It implies that you're married. That's something people don't tell 0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:30.720 you about wedding bands. 0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:33.160 And when you are a man wearing one, it sort 0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:36.280 of implies you're straight. Yeah, so it's sort of like, 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:38.959 who's the straight guy touching me? It's so. 0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:43.480 Like, I can't describe how much I love wearing a 0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:48.240 wedding band. It has like changed my entire swagger, especially 0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:50.440 like at the gym, taking it on and off and 0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:52.360 putting it in my locker. I know you're someone who lifts, 0:58:54.000 --> 0:58:56.960 but like I, I worry about scratching it. 0:58:57.000 --> 0:58:57.960 So I'll take it off. 0:58:57.760 --> 0:59:00.600 And then I'll put it back on in the locker room, 0:59:00.640 --> 0:59:03.320 and I'll see people being like, oh, what's going on there? 0:59:03.400 --> 0:59:07.120 I thought he was pretty queenie in the in the 0:59:07.120 --> 0:59:07.600 weight room. 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:09.160 This whole time he's married to a woman. 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:10.480 This whole time, he's ready to a woman. Her name 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:12.840 is Amber and they live in Duluth, Minnesota. 0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:15.840 I love this. I just to have to go back. 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:17.160 I love the gay guys live in Duluth. 0:59:17.400 --> 0:59:22.520 Oh my god, It's It's the biggest dream I can imagine. 0:59:22.600 --> 0:59:24.880 I have, Like my cousins and aunt and uncle live 0:59:24.920 --> 0:59:27.520 in a suburb of Minneapolis, and one of them went 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:29.320 to college in Duluth. And I was always like Duluth 0:59:29.440 --> 0:59:31.960 and what's going on there? And I've of course never been, 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:34.880 but I'm like to hear the gay guys live there. Yeah, 0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:37.160 I'm like, I need to go on a vacation there. 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:38.920 We should go to Duluth. We need to do a 0:59:39.000 --> 0:59:41.120 mini tour of just different venues in Duluth. 0:59:42.680 --> 0:59:46.600 I absolutely need that. And the way that I want 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:49.240 to draw this man, send us a photo of what 0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:49.720 you look like. 0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:54.440 Okay, I want to address I went thin with my 0:59:54.480 --> 0:59:56.280 wedding band. You went thick, and I think each of 0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:59.440 them suits us, and there's no neither is better. I 0:59:59.520 --> 1:00:01.160 just think like you were meant to go thick and 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:02.040 I was meant to go thin. 1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:04.640 Well, and to be fair, I mean you probably put 1:00:04.640 --> 1:00:06.880 more thought into it. I sort of like try it 1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:09.600 on like two and like, sure me too. Yeah, And 1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:13.360 I was like, I I almost, I mean, I don't 1:00:13.400 --> 1:00:14.760 think I would make a different decision if I thought 1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:16.040 about it more, But I wish I had thought about 1:00:16.040 --> 1:00:17.400 it more so I could say like I thought for 1:00:17.480 --> 1:00:20.160 weeks about what the right size is. No, I thought. 1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:22.720 To be honest, I almost I would say I regret 1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:25.680 my decision, but I'm the more time past, the more 1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:28.720 I'm like, maybe I should have gone thicker. My thing 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:32.320 was like this is so gig guy insecurity. I was 1:00:32.360 --> 1:00:35.440 sort of like, if I go too thick, it'll be 1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:37.360 like I'm being no homo, It'll be like I meaning 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:40.880 like I'm getting married, but I'm masculine. Yeah, and so 1:00:40.920 --> 1:00:45.320 I have to embrace my femininity and just like be 1:00:45.480 --> 1:00:51.680 comfortable going like almost like women's thickness. Yeah, but I 1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:53.920 do think there's some there is more gravitazed with a 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:59.919 thicker band. I will say say it, I don't love 1:01:00.600 --> 1:01:01.920 non traditional wedding bands. 1:01:02.120 --> 1:01:05.080 If you're gonna do it, get a traditional tradition, you're 1:01:05.080 --> 1:01:08.400 gonna regret it. If you get a funky one, don't 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:11.040 get a steampunk one. Don't get us, don't get like, 1:01:11.560 --> 1:01:14.840 don't I'm sorry. The thing that's tough about talking about this. Yeah, 1:01:14.880 --> 1:01:17.080 it's sort of the glasses conversation all over again. There's 1:01:17.120 --> 1:01:19.000 so many people that just do have these of course, 1:01:19.040 --> 1:01:20.400 and they're listening and they're like, what the fuck, and 1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:23.360 they're like, I'm committed to this for essentially my life, cletely. 1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:25.480 And also they're we're doing the thing where they're overhearing 1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:28.240 a conversation. Yeah, and they're like, oh, that means even 1:01:28.280 --> 1:01:29.760 more than someone telling me to my face. 1:01:29.760 --> 1:01:31.440 So I'm actually trying to be respectful. But at the 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:34.040 same time, if you're starting new, first of all, whatever 1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:36.720 decision you made is right for you in your family exactly. 1:01:36.720 --> 1:01:39.440 But if you're starting new, I would say go traditional. 1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:43.360 I think you will not regret it up there in Duluth. Yeah, 1:01:43.440 --> 1:01:44.000 I agree. 1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:46.920 That would be my That would be my suggestion if 1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:49.240 you are a gay guy with a really hot voice 1:01:49.240 --> 1:01:50.000 that lives in Duluth. 1:01:52.160 --> 1:02:18.600 Okay, put us on the close friends. 1:02:07.120 --> 1:02:08.120 Since I'm in George. 1:02:08.240 --> 1:02:11.760 I'm wondering what you think stand up can teach other 1:02:11.960 --> 1:02:15.960 art mediums and what can other art mediums teach stand up? 1:02:16.480 --> 1:02:21.080 Thanks by Okay, I actually have an answrop the top 1:02:21.080 --> 1:02:23.760 of my head for this. Something I really like about 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:29.320 stand up is that there's no such thing as legitimate 1:02:29.440 --> 1:02:33.320 stand up and outsider art. Stand up, like any any 1:02:33.360 --> 1:02:37.520 stand up you see counts as stand up basically just 1:02:37.560 --> 1:02:43.280 as much. Yeah, Whereas if you are a painter, you 1:02:43.360 --> 1:02:45.320 sort of have to be like represented by a gallery 1:02:45.560 --> 1:02:49.800 and showing at at shows that are covered by the 1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:51.800 art press to be like, Okay, well that's the art world. 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:53.760 And then there's outsider art, which is a different thing, 1:02:53.800 --> 1:02:56.479 and it's like maybe like more punk rock and more 1:02:56.560 --> 1:02:59.000 you know, you have to like really look to find it, 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:01.480 and there's like a difference. And I think kind of 1:03:01.520 --> 1:03:04.040 same with theater, where there's like there's theater that's in 1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:08.280 major theaters, and then there's like, you know, someone doing 1:03:08.360 --> 1:03:12.480 like an underground thing at like an events space and 1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:15.600 their you know cousin does the lighting or whatever. There's 1:03:15.600 --> 1:03:18.840 something about stand up where even if you're at an 1:03:18.880 --> 1:03:24.240 open mic in a bar in Queens, that legitimately just 1:03:24.360 --> 1:03:25.040 is stand up. 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:29.360 Yeah, So that there's like egalitarian ethos. 1:03:29.440 --> 1:03:31.800 And I'm not saying that the people that are successful 1:03:31.880 --> 1:03:34.000 don't suddenly make like a shit ton of money and 1:03:34.040 --> 1:03:37.280 there's like inequality and stuff, but like there is something 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:39.400 I think also the lack of training goes into this, 1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:40.640 like there's no such thing as like. 1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:42.840 An MFA and stand up, Yeah that's cool. 1:03:43.160 --> 1:03:47.520 And so I think the kind of anything goes ethos 1:03:47.600 --> 1:03:49.520 I think could be useful in. 1:03:49.480 --> 1:03:52.280 Other art forms. I like that anything goes ethos. I 1:03:52.520 --> 1:03:55.800 like the but I think other mediums could learn is 1:03:55.840 --> 1:03:59.600 the sort of like work in progressness of stand up, 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:02.400 where it's like any night you can be like and 1:04:02.440 --> 1:04:04.720 I'm going to try like these two things and see 1:04:04.720 --> 1:04:08.200 if there's anything there, like trying things in front of people. 1:04:08.280 --> 1:04:10.840 And I know you can't like paint in front of people, 1:04:10.880 --> 1:04:14.200 but I do think there's something so freeing about the 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:18.640 immediate knowing if it's like expressing the way you thought 1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:23.080 it would in your mind. And that's my favorite part. 1:04:23.120 --> 1:04:25.800 And I wish that other mediums could experience that. 1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:28.800 Yeah, I mean, I also think engaging with your audience 1:04:28.800 --> 1:04:32.520 in a more direct way is an exciting part of 1:04:32.600 --> 1:04:35.240 stand up that I don't know necessarily if I want 1:04:35.280 --> 1:04:37.320 every art forum to adopt, because I think it's kind 1:04:37.360 --> 1:04:40.240 of nice to have more timeless art that isn't like 1:04:40.320 --> 1:04:45.000 directly engaging with only the points of view of people 1:04:45.040 --> 1:04:47.960 present in one room. Yeah, in terms of things stand 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:50.080 up can learn from other art forms. 1:04:50.040 --> 1:04:52.120 Well, it's kind of the opposite for me, where it's 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:58.000 like edit, edit, and even like presenting like a finished product. 1:04:58.480 --> 1:05:02.440 I really do with that myself, because it's always so 1:05:02.680 --> 1:05:05.160 working for everything is like, well I could switch this, 1:05:05.240 --> 1:05:07.000 and I could switch this and that. Who knows, in 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:09.920 two years maybe I'll have something for that. And I 1:05:10.000 --> 1:05:14.440 really respect that other art forms go away. They're like 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:16.960 I'm working on this idea for two years and then 1:05:16.960 --> 1:05:17.920 I'm putting it out. 1:05:17.880 --> 1:05:20.240 Yes, and now it's the big launch we're having, like 1:05:20.280 --> 1:05:23.760 the opening there's like little glasses of champagne. This is 1:05:24.240 --> 1:05:26.280 the body of work that I have been working on 1:05:26.360 --> 1:05:28.080 for the last like nine to eighteen months. 1:05:28.320 --> 1:05:32.320 And the other thing is like sort of ignoring almost 1:05:32.360 --> 1:05:35.720 audience reactions sometimes and being like it's more important that 1:05:35.840 --> 1:05:39.120 I'm expressing myself than that I'm getting a bigger audience, 1:05:39.120 --> 1:05:42.520 whereas like stand up, it's so not that. Yeah, no, 1:05:42.600 --> 1:05:45.480 I think that's true, and you can see it when 1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:49.080 people get addicted only to audience reactions, they like forget 1:05:49.080 --> 1:05:49.560 who they are. 1:05:50.400 --> 1:05:52.520 Anyway, I want to say something about stand up that 1:05:52.600 --> 1:05:57.240 I like is unless you're like, you know, taping a 1:05:57.280 --> 1:06:00.440 special or something. Usually you're not the only person on 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:02.440 a lineup. Even if you are touring by yourself, you'll 1:06:02.480 --> 1:06:04.600 have an opener or or there'll be like in a 1:06:04.600 --> 1:06:06.400 comedy club, there'll be like a host and then an 1:06:06.400 --> 1:06:08.640 opener and then you and then of course in most 1:06:08.680 --> 1:06:10.440 stand up shows, if you're not like a big celeb, 1:06:10.480 --> 1:06:12.560 it's like a lineup that's anywhere between like four to 1:06:12.600 --> 1:06:15.760 seven people. And there is a communal element that I think, 1:06:17.320 --> 1:06:21.960 especially other writers don't have. Yeah, Like, it's so many 1:06:22.040 --> 1:06:24.360 other forms of art are very isolating because you're like 1:06:24.560 --> 1:06:28.120 by yourself creating. You have no feedback, you have no 1:06:28.160 --> 1:06:30.120 one backstage being like that bit was really good? What 1:06:30.200 --> 1:06:33.600 if you added that at the end. Yeah, so that's 1:06:33.640 --> 1:06:34.280 kind of nice. 1:06:34.480 --> 1:06:35.280 No, that is nice. 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:44.960 Hey boys, it's Kevin from San Diego. First, I just 1:06:45.000 --> 1:06:52.440 want to say that you guys are looking especially hot recently. Congratulations. 1:06:52.520 --> 1:06:53.960 I was hoping that you would weigh in on a 1:06:54.000 --> 1:06:59.520 prompt I was disgusting with my boyfriend, which is how 1:06:59.840 --> 1:07:04.120 do we order forms of protest on the spectrum of 1:07:04.720 --> 1:07:05.560 straight to gay. 1:07:06.040 --> 1:07:10.400 We decided that signs on a highway overpass are straight 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:15.440 donations to the ACL. You are a gay guy and 1:07:16.600 --> 1:07:20.840 rest as an act of resistance? Is NB demisexual? 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:21.520 What was. 1:07:23.040 --> 1:07:25.640 Damn ist of their ass? Shout out? 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:28.760 Interestingly, I actually think this hot voice is more George 1:07:28.760 --> 1:07:31.200 coded and the dluthe hot voice is more Stam coded. 1:07:31.280 --> 1:07:34.360 Well, of course this hot voice is funny because it's 1:07:34.560 --> 1:07:36.240 one of my favorite types of gay guy, which is 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:40.640 like exasperated already and like I'm so tired of what 1:07:40.640 --> 1:07:41.120 I'm saying. 1:07:41.160 --> 1:07:43.600 No, it's also just like sorry, my brain is going 1:07:43.640 --> 1:07:45.560 on my limited because I'm so smart, and like I 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:47.880 could explain further, but you probably wouldn't get it. But 1:07:47.920 --> 1:07:49.520 this is like kind of the basic level of what 1:07:49.560 --> 1:07:52.360 I'm saying, and like you know, obviously there's like a 1:07:52.360 --> 1:07:52.880 lot more. 1:07:52.760 --> 1:07:53.480 Going on up there. 1:07:53.520 --> 1:07:56.040 And the reason why I wasn't able to finish grad 1:07:56.040 --> 1:07:59.760 school because I thought too much. Okay, so I have this. 1:08:00.040 --> 1:08:01.600 I made a little list on my uber on the 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:04.240 way here of different forms of protests and I want 1:08:04.280 --> 1:08:05.440 to read it and we can. 1:08:06.520 --> 1:08:09.200 Okay, So this is what I have. This is in 1:08:09.280 --> 1:08:10.120 no particular order. 1:08:10.520 --> 1:08:16.439 Attending a rally or march, Community organizing domestic terrorism, radical 1:08:16.520 --> 1:08:22.000 self care, posting an infographic, donating to a nonprofit, donating 1:08:22.000 --> 1:08:26.439 to a GoFundMe, canvassing for a political candidate, reading a book, 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:31.839 sharing a reading list, participating in a boycott, and finally 1:08:31.920 --> 1:08:35.200 presenting an academic paper at a conference called Subaltern Body 1:08:35.240 --> 1:08:39.559 of Subterranean Spaces. And so maybe we could Well that's 1:08:39.600 --> 1:08:41.920 a giant list. I know we can't really, I don't 1:08:41.920 --> 1:08:43.960 want to rank them, but maybe we go one by 1:08:44.000 --> 1:08:47.360 one and just do like straight gay, or by. 1:08:47.479 --> 1:08:49.479 One that jumped out to okay, yeah, let's go through. 1:08:49.360 --> 1:08:53.160 The attending a rally or march to me that's straight 1:08:53.200 --> 1:08:55.160 but not in a bad way, just like in a 1:08:55.240 --> 1:08:59.200 like sixties, you know, like we're protesting the Vietnam War. 1:08:59.360 --> 1:09:01.360 Yeah, and you're like your kid and it's like this 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:03.200 is fun and the kid is like dressed up as 1:09:03.280 --> 1:09:05.840 I don't know, and it's very it's like family friendly. 1:09:05.880 --> 1:09:06.519 It's wholesome. 1:09:07.000 --> 1:09:09.800 It is it's also very much like it is our 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:12.960 right as Americans to protest. It's like it's a patriotic 1:09:13.080 --> 1:09:15.040 duty to protest. It's a little it's a mini Fourth 1:09:15.080 --> 1:09:20.240 of July. Yes, okay, community organizing gay gay it's communal. 1:09:20.560 --> 1:09:27.720 It is like uh un non hierarchical. It's also like 1:09:28.040 --> 1:09:30.479 first we're gonna all get together and like serve soup, 1:09:30.600 --> 1:09:31.719 then we go to the party. 1:09:31.880 --> 1:09:36.360 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Okay, it's also so inclusive. Yes, okay, 1:09:36.360 --> 1:09:38.880 domestic terrorism. This is a tough one because I think 1:09:38.880 --> 1:09:42.120 on the one hand, you have like one battle after another, 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:47.000 Leo being so kind of like toxic guy. 1:09:48.360 --> 1:09:51.280 But then I think domestic terrorism is straight. Yeah. I 1:09:51.280 --> 1:09:54.240 think so too, because gay people like it's they're like 1:09:54.320 --> 1:09:56.960 all talk. Gay people are like, I'm gonna blow that 1:09:57.000 --> 1:09:59.760 building up, and then it's like, okay, like when do 1:09:59.760 --> 1:10:01.600 you want want to do it? And they're like they're like, 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:04.640 I have dinner. Yeah, They're like my my gym membership 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:07.200 actually is like goes until the end of the year, 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:08.800 So I don't want to do it until that's over. 1:10:09.160 --> 1:10:11.120 I get my money's work before I blow up the 1:10:11.120 --> 1:10:16.040 big data center. I actually, yeah, I think I are 1:10:16.080 --> 1:10:17.240 kind of willing to throw it all away in a 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:17.760 different way. 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:20.519 Yes, And I also think what we're saying is like 1:10:20.560 --> 1:10:24.400 morally neutral. But I also just simply think thinking about 1:10:24.479 --> 1:10:27.200 things in a warlike way is straight. 1:10:27.720 --> 1:10:27.960 Yeah. 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:33.400 Okay, radical self care Okay, obviously that's gay. 1:10:33.640 --> 1:10:37.000 Well, because gave me love this thing, which I love 1:10:37.000 --> 1:10:38.799 where they're like, well, I already came out of the closet, 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:39.840 Like do you know how hard it was for me 1:10:39.880 --> 1:10:42.360 in high school? Completely? So now like when things are 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:44.280 really hard, like the most radical thing you can do 1:10:44.360 --> 1:10:45.719 is like wash my face. Yes. 1:10:45.760 --> 1:10:48.479 And also on the other side of things, of course, 1:10:48.960 --> 1:10:51.640 there's also the stereotype of like I'm sorry, but a 1:10:51.680 --> 1:10:54.200 liberal white woman reading Audrey Lord and getting all the 1:10:54.280 --> 1:10:57.280 wrong drawing all the wrong conclusions from it and being 1:10:57.320 --> 1:11:00.560 like going to get a massage and then a pedicure 1:11:00.880 --> 1:11:04.120 and then a facial is basically like blowing up a 1:11:04.200 --> 1:11:04.719 data center. 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:08.519 Yeah, so it can you know, it can be straight 1:11:08.560 --> 1:11:09.240 in that way. That's true. 1:11:09.360 --> 1:11:13.519 Posting an infographic this is tough. This is tough because 1:11:13.520 --> 1:11:17.200 it's everyone. This is I'm trying to think who I 1:11:17.240 --> 1:11:20.800 see do this more? I know in like the negative way, 1:11:20.880 --> 1:11:21.759 like who does it wrong? 1:11:24.080 --> 1:11:26.639 I'll tell you who's not posting an infographic. Straight men. 1:11:27.240 --> 1:11:32.080 Yeah, it's mostly straight women and the LGBTQ plus straight 1:11:32.080 --> 1:11:34.920 men are posting infographics, but they're about like basketball stats. 1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:36.559 They're like, can you believe this is the first guy 1:11:36.600 --> 1:11:38.320 to ever have this many blah blah blah in the 1:11:38.479 --> 1:11:40.160 in the off season. 1:11:40.439 --> 1:11:43.960 Yeah, you're right, I think the infographic doesn't like fit 1:11:44.040 --> 1:11:46.400 with their eyes in the same way. 1:11:46.479 --> 1:11:49.719 There's something even though you would think an infographic, because 1:11:49.720 --> 1:11:53.200 it's data based and numbers based, is more masculine, because 1:11:53.240 --> 1:11:55.439 you know, of course men can only understand things when 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:58.840 they're they're numbers. But I think what it is is 1:11:58.880 --> 1:12:01.200 that infographics are always a little misleading. 1:12:02.200 --> 1:12:03.360 They tell they tell a story. 1:12:03.400 --> 1:12:06.599 They tell a story, so it's much more storytelling than 1:12:06.720 --> 1:12:11.120 just bar chart. Yeah, so maybe it's straight woman. 1:12:11.320 --> 1:12:13.880 Maybe it's straight woman, all. 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:17.320 Right, donating to a nonprofit versus I mean this is easy. 1:12:17.360 --> 1:12:19.880 Donating to a nonprofit is straight? Go fund me is gay? 1:12:20.000 --> 1:12:26.559 Yes? Yes. Canvassing for a political candidate that is straighter, yea. 1:12:26.680 --> 1:12:28.280 I think that's straight in the way that attending a 1:12:28.360 --> 1:12:30.439 rally or march is straight. I think it's still like 1:12:30.439 --> 1:12:33.360 believes in the system, he believes this, which again good, 1:12:33.400 --> 1:12:36.040 you should canvas for a progressive candidate you believe in, 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:40.160 but it is it is a respectable way to get involved. Yeah, 1:12:41.560 --> 1:12:48.320 reading a book and and versus sharing a reading list, those. 1:12:48.200 --> 1:12:49.800 Are sort of the two that were sharing a reading 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:51.800 list to me, is actually straighter. I agree, it's du 1:12:51.840 --> 1:12:58.240 alipa completely and reading a book is exactly reading a 1:12:58.240 --> 1:13:03.080 book without posting about it. That's like, that's like tender queer. Yeah, 1:13:03.160 --> 1:13:06.720 you know, it's like I'm actually, I really it's not performative, 1:13:06.760 --> 1:13:09.120 and I really believe in this and I want to learn. 1:13:09.200 --> 1:13:10.519 I just want to be better. I just want to 1:13:10.520 --> 1:13:11.759 be better. I'm in grad school. 1:13:12.160 --> 1:13:16.120 I'm like doing my book club, and I've also the 1:13:16.160 --> 1:13:18.599 scary thing of I actually stilluzling on social media. Took 1:13:18.600 --> 1:13:23.240 it to heart, and I'm now going to do the homework. Yeah, okay, 1:13:23.360 --> 1:13:28.439 I'm almost done. Participating in a boycott. 1:13:27.439 --> 1:13:29.679 This is interesting. Yeah, it's tough. So at the time 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:33.360 we're recording, there's uh, the boycott is supposed to be 1:13:33.360 --> 1:13:37.400 on Friday, Oh the general strike general strike, yes, yes, yes, 1:13:37.800 --> 1:13:38.439 which is different. 1:13:39.280 --> 1:13:44.160 Yeah, I guess maybe we could add, like, yeah, maybe 1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:46.800 we could add participating in a strike. Boycott is interesting 1:13:46.800 --> 1:13:49.080 because it's like the implication is like put your money 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:52.960 where your mouth is. Boycott to me reminds me of like, 1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:57.639 for example, gay guys canceling their Equinox subscriptions because the 1:13:57.680 --> 1:14:01.519 CEO is right wing. Also so it's you know, in 1:14:01.560 --> 1:14:06.200 a more meaningful way, it's people participating in bds. It 1:14:06.280 --> 1:14:10.280 is saying, like, I am making a choice that materially 1:14:10.640 --> 1:14:15.240 impacts a company that is on the wrong side of. 1:14:15.200 --> 1:14:20.000 Things boycotting at this point. The way that I mean 1:14:20.080 --> 1:14:22.240 part of the issue with our world is the way 1:14:22.280 --> 1:14:25.120 that it works is that like, all the corporations are 1:14:25.160 --> 1:14:29.759 so gigantic that literally getting like let's say, five thousand 1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:33.160 people to cancel their subscription does not affect them at all. 1:14:33.240 --> 1:14:36.920 They literally won't notice. And so it is confusing because before, like, 1:14:36.920 --> 1:14:39.439 a boycott is an amazing way. If you're like, this 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:41.840 factory in town produces a thing that's bad, we're all 1:14:41.920 --> 1:14:44.760 gonna boycott it. Now, I'm like, so wait, we'd have 1:14:44.800 --> 1:14:46.960 to get like a million people to cancel this for 1:14:47.000 --> 1:14:49.519 them to notice at all. I know. 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:54.840 It's funny. One of the elements of the concentration of 1:14:54.880 --> 1:14:58.000 wealth is that a boycott of a small business works 1:14:58.120 --> 1:15:00.439 much better than the boycott of like, oh, large proporation. 1:15:00.600 --> 1:15:01.839 So, like, let's say there's. 1:15:01.640 --> 1:15:04.599 A small coffee shop that is being accused of having 1:15:04.640 --> 1:15:07.800 bad labor practices, but it's owned by three people, and 1:15:08.080 --> 1:15:10.680 maybe one of them is evil, but like, ultimately they 1:15:10.720 --> 1:15:13.000 are doing their best that will be shut down by 1:15:13.000 --> 1:15:15.439 a boycott. Oh yeah, but then like Amazon will never 1:15:15.479 --> 1:15:16.679 be shut down by a boycott. 1:15:16.720 --> 1:15:19.559 It's obviously And I'm sorry to be like cynical, but 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:22.320 it's like this is it's such a it's why things 1:15:22.320 --> 1:15:25.080 are so bad, Like it's so hard to make an impact. 1:15:25.160 --> 1:15:27.479 And I think it's good that people are trying, of course, 1:15:27.600 --> 1:15:30.839 but I'm sort of like, I don't do anything. 1:15:30.880 --> 1:15:31.040 Well. 1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:33.719 The other thing is when people are like, I'm sorry 1:15:33.800 --> 1:15:36.519 when people are like we're boycotting on Friday if not 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:38.120 the strike. If people when there was like we're doing 1:15:38.200 --> 1:15:41.120 a boycott, yeah day, I'm like, well, who's buying that much? 1:15:41.160 --> 1:15:44.200 Every day? Like I personally like every day is a boycott, 1:15:44.200 --> 1:15:47.720 Like I shop so little. I'm sort of like, I'm 1:15:47.760 --> 1:15:52.680 not like it's it's literally no material sacrifice for me 1:15:52.800 --> 1:15:55.680 to boycott on a given day. Yeah. I did have 1:15:55.720 --> 1:15:56.320 a moment. 1:15:56.680 --> 1:16:02.080 I was like during the Starbucks strike when people were like, 1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:06.720 boycott Starbucks during the during the strike, I was I 1:16:06.800 --> 1:16:08.519 was like, well, that's a simple enough thing, and I 1:16:08.600 --> 1:16:10.439 was like really taking it to heart. And then I 1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:12.320 was at the airport and there was like a giant 1:16:12.360 --> 1:16:14.760 line at Starbucks. I was like, did these people not 1:16:14.800 --> 1:16:19.600 read the news? But it also it was like I 1:16:19.800 --> 1:16:21.320 was just like right there in black and white. I 1:16:21.360 --> 1:16:24.000 was like nothing, I'm doing mad, Like this is yeah, 1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:27.479 there was another shop right next to Starbucks, Like you 1:16:27.479 --> 1:16:28.639 could have just gone to that one. 1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:31.160 We live in a damn bubble. It also is like 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:33.439 I thought it was so funny. I mean, this was 1:16:33.479 --> 1:16:35.479 like what two months ago when this was yeah, yeah, 1:16:35.520 --> 1:16:37.080 and we were I think we were on tour. 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:40.000 I was on like I was traveling for work, and 1:16:40.040 --> 1:16:42.519 I was like it was always a struggle, not to 1:16:42.760 --> 1:16:45.080 you know martyr myself, but it was always a struggle 1:16:45.080 --> 1:16:46.920 at every airport is the only thing they have a 1:16:46.960 --> 1:16:51.759 Starbucks to find like a non traditional coffee place. 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:54.120 I thought it was so funny people that like live 1:16:54.200 --> 1:16:58.719 in La Yeah, like we're posting like their non Starbucks coffee. 1:16:58.760 --> 1:17:01.920 I mean, like that all it's not that easy, y'all. 1:17:01.960 --> 1:17:04.160 Like we got to get out there and not buy Starbucks. 1:17:04.240 --> 1:17:06.040 And I was like, you're living in a city and 1:17:06.040 --> 1:17:09.200 you're buying Starbucks, Like, I'm sorry, but Starbucks is for airport. 1:17:09.560 --> 1:17:12.160 Why did you buy that? Ever, I was like this 1:17:12.240 --> 1:17:15.799 is like, you're actually revealing something deeper and more insidious, 1:17:15.800 --> 1:17:17.720 which is you go to Starbucks when you live in 1:17:17.800 --> 1:17:21.439 your Starbucks drinking, reveal something evil and more sinister. What 1:17:21.560 --> 1:17:27.000 is the quote from nataman fall? Yeah, reveal something selfish? Selfish? Oh, 1:17:27.040 --> 1:17:31.439 I forget Oh exactly, we'll put the clip in here. No, 1:17:31.640 --> 1:17:32.000 I was. 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:36.120 I had to really laugh at myself because as this 1:17:36.240 --> 1:17:37.840 was happening, I was like, well, this is impacting me 1:17:37.920 --> 1:17:40.800 more than anyone because I'm at airports. Like if I 1:17:40.840 --> 1:17:43.320 was at home, I would never be forced to make 1:17:43.360 --> 1:17:44.040 the choice. 1:17:43.760 --> 1:17:46.720 About George should have gotten extra points for boycotting harder. 1:17:46.520 --> 1:17:49.960 Extra Starbucks points. I'll send you my my user I 1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:54.519 d okay. And then last one sorry, last one is, 1:17:54.560 --> 1:17:57.160 of course, presenting an academic paper at a conference called 1:17:57.200 --> 1:17:59.040 Subaltern Body of Subterranean. 1:17:58.560 --> 1:18:04.960 Spaces, Hell's LGBTQ plus you guys, I'm pro the strike, 1:18:05.000 --> 1:18:08.360 by the way, I'm pro like all of it. Yeah. 1:18:08.439 --> 1:18:11.680 I sometimes worry that because we like to make fun 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:14.880 of people similar to us, we come across as bubble. Yeah, 1:18:14.880 --> 1:18:19.599 we come across as somehow like rejecting that the consensu 1:18:19.600 --> 1:18:22.599 of the bubble. You will not find two gay guys 1:18:23.040 --> 1:18:26.759 more pro boycotting and striking than us. We are literally 1:18:26.840 --> 1:18:29.360 ready to start the revolution at any second. Just let 1:18:29.439 --> 1:18:31.559 us know, send the signal and we will be there. 1:18:31.600 --> 1:18:33.559 And I just let me know soon because I have 1:18:33.640 --> 1:18:36.040 to cancel my gym membership before the fifteenth. 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:38.120 Yes, And I didn't want to cance the mine because 1:18:38.120 --> 1:18:40.880 it would have been performative. And so I actually am 1:18:40.920 --> 1:18:44.280 sort of stuck into I'm stuck in my current plan 1:18:44.360 --> 1:18:45.200 until the end of the year. 1:18:45.560 --> 1:18:47.640 Maybe you cut this too, but I'm like, but like 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:49.600 with the strike, yes, I have to I have to 1:18:49.640 --> 1:18:52.120 confess something that I said that was completely insane. Please. 1:18:53.080 --> 1:18:55.040 But I was like, so we don't. So we're like 1:18:55.120 --> 1:18:57.240 it's like, don't buy anything and don't go to work. 1:18:57.760 --> 1:19:05.400 And I'm like, so a restaurants open, Like they're not 1:19:05.400 --> 1:19:06.360 doing anything wrong, right. 1:19:06.800 --> 1:19:10.519 It's well, you would hope that they would be closed 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:13.360 because all the workers would be striking, Like if enough people. 1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:16.080 It's not that you're thinking about it as a consumer, 1:19:16.680 --> 1:19:18.679 you know what I mean. You're thinking like, well, that's because. 1:19:18.520 --> 1:19:20.240 I can't not go to work. I don't have a 1:19:20.320 --> 1:19:22.720 job to go to. And that's an interesting point that 1:19:22.800 --> 1:19:24.519 I have considered. But yeah. 1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:27.080 I think it's like it's less like our restaurants open 1:19:27.120 --> 1:19:29.680 and more like if it succeeds, no one will go 1:19:29.720 --> 1:19:32.000 to work. Therefore the economy will be shut down. M 1:19:34.720 --> 1:19:37.120 So maybe get a little get a little ceramic pour 1:19:37.160 --> 1:19:38.760 over thing for your coffee. 1:19:38.360 --> 1:19:41.760 Because oh look, I make my own coffee. Now it's 1:19:41.760 --> 1:19:43.320 the food I'm worried about. I'm gonna start to. 1:19:47.560 --> 1:19:53.440 III. I was just thinking if you had ever considered 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:58.719 what Lizzo's pass is for actresses, and I'm specifically thinking 1:19:58.960 --> 1:20:05.160 about Sydney Swing me versus Mikey Monroe kind of obvious there, 1:20:05.320 --> 1:20:07.400 and like what that would be? What is what is 1:20:07.840 --> 1:20:10.000 past for actresses? 1:20:10.520 --> 1:20:14.840 Okay, well, well, Diva, we have some bad news. 1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:18.320 It's Mikey Madison not mikeel Monroe. So I think answer 1:20:18.400 --> 1:20:19.400 your own question there. 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:23.760 I want to say this podcast, you know, on one hand, 1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:26.679 it's about straight culture. On the other hand, it's about 1:20:26.720 --> 1:20:29.280 New York West LA. On a third hand, even it's 1:20:29.280 --> 1:20:32.840 about not knowing actors and actress name. Yes, the fourth 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:34.400 level is just about Lizzo's past. 1:20:37.240 --> 1:20:39.960 So we did every time we get a lot of 1:20:39.960 --> 1:20:42.479 Lizzo's Pass calls, we did get one about whether Kat's 1:20:42.560 --> 1:20:47.439 I uh is the fastest act ever to choose target 1:20:47.479 --> 1:20:49.439 and whether they were ever at Loso's Pass. We don't 1:20:49.439 --> 1:20:51.040 know enough about Catsie to comment on that, but we 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:54.400 can comment on whether actresses have Lozo's pass. What is 1:20:54.439 --> 1:20:57.200 your take as the inventor of Lizzo's Past. I think 1:20:57.439 --> 1:21:03.360 I think they definitely do. But the thing with them 1:21:03.600 --> 1:21:07.760 is it's confusing because Sidney Sweeney, for example, like, I 1:21:07.800 --> 1:21:09.559 think it's so easy to be like she's target. 1:21:09.600 --> 1:21:13.320 She's targeted. She target because she's doing like every ad possible, 1:21:14.000 --> 1:21:16.000 Like she is doing ads for products I didn't even 1:21:16.040 --> 1:21:19.120 know existed. But then she'll also be in like the 1:21:19.120 --> 1:21:21.839 Weirdest Movie where it's like, yep, she plays a lesbian 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:25.080 wrestlers and boxer. I think, if that's it boxer, I 1:21:25.120 --> 1:21:29.320 forget they're different and that no one on earth sees. 1:21:29.400 --> 1:21:32.000 And she was the Reality winner and Jamie Reality Winner, 1:21:32.320 --> 1:21:38.040 Like I'm sort of like Lizzer's pass is more complicated 1:21:38.120 --> 1:21:38.599 for them. 1:21:39.200 --> 1:21:45.679 Here's the complicated thing with actresses. It is actually much 1:21:45.760 --> 1:21:50.479 easier for your artistic output to be completely different than 1:21:50.520 --> 1:21:53.800 your pop culture celebrity output output as an actor than 1:21:53.840 --> 1:21:56.200 it is as a musician if you're a musician, if 1:21:56.200 --> 1:21:58.639 you're a Chapel Roone and you do a target ad, 1:21:58.680 --> 1:22:00.960 that really is going to affect your brand and how 1:22:00.960 --> 1:22:05.680 people perceive your music. Every prestige actress that has won 1:22:05.720 --> 1:22:10.480 an oscar also does a perfume. You know, a Landcombe 1:22:10.479 --> 1:22:14.040 campaign also does a Super Bowl commercial where she like 1:22:14.080 --> 1:22:16.360 reunites with some when she was in a teen movie 1:22:16.439 --> 1:22:18.200 with I just saw I didn't even know this, but 1:22:18.240 --> 1:22:20.360 I just saw that Kirson Dunston and Gabriel Union did 1:22:20.400 --> 1:22:22.680 an ad where they like reunited for bring It On. Oh, 1:22:22.920 --> 1:22:24.840 and it was like for Google or something like that 1:22:24.880 --> 1:22:27.680 does not affect either of their brands in any way. No, 1:22:27.840 --> 1:22:30.439 So I think Sidney Sweeney is someone who flew too 1:22:30.479 --> 1:22:34.959 close to the sun because she counted on that precedent. 1:22:35.040 --> 1:22:36.960 She was like, well, I can be a reality winner 1:22:37.000 --> 1:22:40.919 and be a lesbian boxer and also do nail polish 1:22:41.040 --> 1:22:44.400 and bath soap. But she like did one too many 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:46.880 and it like fucked her up. I mean, she did 1:22:46.920 --> 1:22:49.760 so many it even affected her other brand endorsements. Yeah, 1:22:49.800 --> 1:22:51.240 but I was like, well, you can't love jeans that 1:22:51.320 --> 1:22:55.280 much because you also love shoes that much. Like, at 1:22:55.320 --> 1:22:57.400 some point you're like loving too many things, and I 1:22:57.560 --> 1:23:02.800 don't believe you. Yeah, it's actually very rare that someone's 1:23:03.400 --> 1:23:05.200 brand life is. 1:23:06.760 --> 1:23:08.680 Coordinated super well with their art. 1:23:08.800 --> 1:23:10.720 I think Gwyneth Paltrow is a really good example of 1:23:10.760 --> 1:23:13.479 someone who somehow has managed to have a coherent brand 1:23:14.080 --> 1:23:17.880 and maintain like like as an actor and as a 1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:20.640 public figure. But then, of course, the other thing with 1:23:21.000 --> 1:23:23.680 actors versus musicians is that you don't create your own 1:23:23.720 --> 1:23:24.960 material as an actor. 1:23:25.160 --> 1:23:27.400 Right, and you almost are lauded for being like I 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:29.719 can't believe they were able to look like this exactly. 1:23:29.760 --> 1:23:31.600 Like if you actually look shitty in an ad and 1:23:31.640 --> 1:23:35.160 you're doing an ad for like Plato or something, and 1:23:35.200 --> 1:23:37.280 you look like a loser, then you're in like a 1:23:37.320 --> 1:23:39.760 prestige movie. People are almost more impressed because they're like, 1:23:39.840 --> 1:23:42.320 oh I thought they were a loser. Yeah, they actually 1:23:42.400 --> 1:23:47.720 are a lesbian boxer. There is just way more There 1:23:47.800 --> 1:23:50.960 was just much more flexibility. However, that said, that's why 1:23:50.960 --> 1:23:55.479 it's more shocking when someone manages to fuck it up 1:23:55.520 --> 1:23:58.280 so much that they choose target. I'm trying to think 1:23:58.320 --> 1:24:04.000 of a good example, like I have a kind of one. Okay, 1:24:04.120 --> 1:24:08.680 you know whose target is Kristin Bell and you know, 1:24:08.960 --> 1:24:11.200 I but it works for her. It works for her. 1:24:11.240 --> 1:24:13.519 I wouldn't say that's unintented. I don't think Kristin Bell 1:24:13.680 --> 1:24:14.880 wants to be a lesbian boxer. 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:18.120 It's definitely the goal. But it's confusing because at first, 1:24:18.160 --> 1:24:21.160 like being Veronica Mars, yes, it was like, wow, this 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:25.800 is like an interesting character, an interesting show. It's kind 1:24:25.800 --> 1:24:29.520 of niche, but it's also mainstream and it's like wow, 1:24:29.240 --> 1:24:33.280 how is this happening? And then so quickly it was like, oh, 1:24:33.400 --> 1:24:37.000 you want to literally be a target commercial at all times. 1:24:37.240 --> 1:24:39.920 You know who's like that is Mark Wahlberg, Like he 1:24:40.040 --> 1:24:42.800 started in Boogie Knights, like yeah, if he had gone 1:24:42.800 --> 1:24:46.400 a different direction, he could have been like I guess 1:24:46.920 --> 1:24:49.000 the comparison would be like a Leo because he wouldn't 1:24:49.000 --> 1:24:50.439 have been an indie darling. He would have still been 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:54.200 like mainstream star but in Prestigio movies. And he decided, 1:24:54.439 --> 1:24:57.759 you know, because he's so crazy like that, he's gonna 1:24:57.960 --> 1:24:59.800 commit to being target and. 1:25:00.000 --> 1:25:02.800 And a pitchfork person who could have gone target and 1:25:02.880 --> 1:25:05.920 was like almost going to Target. Yeah, Nick Cage. 1:25:05.920 --> 1:25:08.639 Yes, he easily could have been Like I would even 1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:10.799 say he chose target and then went back to Lizo's 1:25:10.800 --> 1:25:12.400 past he now on Pitchfork. 1:25:13.080 --> 1:25:13.559 Yeah. 1:25:13.800 --> 1:25:15.719 I think also Emma Stone did that. I think mimic 1:25:15.800 --> 1:25:19.000 Stone went full target with easy a and like all 1:25:19.040 --> 1:25:21.439 her early and crazy stupid lover you kidding me. Imagine 1:25:21.479 --> 1:25:24.040 her doing that now and then just walk right back 1:25:24.080 --> 1:25:27.080 and said never mind, I actually wanted to go this way. 1:25:27.479 --> 1:25:30.559 If he did a quick U turn. Yeah, Amanda sy 1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:33.000 freed from Ama Mia to a testament of Endily, I. 1:25:33.040 --> 1:25:36.479 Mean an amazing point. Yeah. I think it's just the 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:39.960 the path Lizzo's pass for actors is not nearly as 1:25:40.120 --> 1:25:42.040 icy or treacherous, and you can actually just sort of 1:25:42.040 --> 1:25:42.920 walk back and forth. 1:25:43.280 --> 1:25:47.400 It's a different like part of the game. Yeah, Like 1:25:47.439 --> 1:25:51.040 it's a it's a different video game in in with musicians, 1:25:51.200 --> 1:25:54.840 it's like it really is Chapelone in full armor, like 1:25:54.960 --> 1:25:58.040 going hard to get through, and it's hard to get through, 1:25:58.160 --> 1:26:02.120 and there are like snakes, and there are there's trickster 1:26:02.280 --> 1:26:04.840 figures that can accidentally like give you a stink ball 1:26:04.880 --> 1:26:06.360 and then it blows up and suddenly you find yourself 1:26:06.320 --> 1:26:09.880 at target. Whereas you know, with actors, it's much more 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:13.679 of like a seamless. It's very like paved streets. You're 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:16.960 in like gentrified Williamsburg and you're kind of like holding your. 1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:18.880 Coffee and on your phone. You took her on and 1:26:18.920 --> 1:26:21.120 you're like, wait, fuck, this is not where I was going. Yeah, 1:26:21.120 --> 1:26:22.559 You're like I had to backtrack? Is gonna take me 1:26:22.560 --> 1:26:23.040 ten minutes? 1:26:23.360 --> 1:26:26.120 Okay, well all right whatever, Like it's fine, I'll just 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:28.360 be And then you're texting, you're ghosting, like, sorry, I'm 1:26:28.400 --> 1:26:29.280 running fifteen minutes late. 1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:32.760 It's a long story. I'll like, you know, I get away. Sorry, 1:26:32.800 --> 1:26:34.880 I went the wrong wayanded, crazy, stupid love. Isn't that 1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:37.320 so random? I'm gonna tell you all about it. My 1:26:37.320 --> 1:26:38.880 feet are gonna hurt when I get there, So have 1:26:38.920 --> 1:26:39.560 a stool for me. 1:26:52.400 --> 1:26:55.000 Hi, George and Sam, hope you both are doing well 1:26:55.560 --> 1:26:59.360 the pod. George I was the tiff guy had to 1:26:59.400 --> 1:27:02.960 sketch feesh last week. If you remember me, the one 1:27:03.000 --> 1:27:05.840 person who had seen Testa Vanlei in the crowd, just 1:27:05.880 --> 1:27:09.320 want to echo that Testina Vanili was deep robbed. My 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:12.520 question for you guys is, of all the film festivals, 1:27:12.840 --> 1:27:15.320 which are the gayest and which are the straightest? In 1:27:15.360 --> 1:27:17.719 your opinions, Okay, thank you, love you both. 1:27:17.840 --> 1:27:18.160 Bye. 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:24.480 I think for simplicity's sake, let's do tiff Can Venice Sundown. 1:27:24.160 --> 1:27:29.719 Because obviously there's countless film festivals, all of which are beautiful, stunning, perfect. 1:27:30.040 --> 1:27:31.599 We would love to speak at them. 1:27:31.720 --> 1:27:34.599 I would adore to do a panel, to moderate a panel, 1:27:35.040 --> 1:27:36.080 and it's about Lizzo's past. 1:27:36.200 --> 1:27:37.479 Maybe maybe about comedy. 1:27:37.640 --> 1:27:40.600 Ooh yeah, maybe I can do one about comedy. You 1:27:40.600 --> 1:27:43.000 can do one about Lozzo's past where it's Amanda seyfrid 1:27:43.040 --> 1:27:47.439 Emma Stone, Sydney Sweeney, Yah and Zendia and then they 1:27:47.479 --> 1:27:48.920 each talk about their journey. 1:27:48.680 --> 1:27:50.680 With Lozzo's past. God, that would be so amazing. 1:27:51.840 --> 1:27:56.200 So I would say, hey, what were you for you Sundance? 1:27:56.320 --> 1:28:02.439 Tiff Can Venice. Venice is gayest. Venice is gayest because 1:28:02.479 --> 1:28:02.880 of the boat. 1:28:03.800 --> 1:28:06.479 Because of the boat, and because it's like a place 1:28:06.560 --> 1:28:09.599 for like literally actresses to like wear a fun outfit, 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:12.760 arrive on a boat and get photographed. 1:28:13.240 --> 1:28:15.880 And it's also can is you know, Can is the 1:28:15.920 --> 1:28:18.880 Beyonce and Venice is the slange like can. Yes, you 1:28:19.000 --> 1:28:21.479 take people do take fashion risks and look crazy and 1:28:21.640 --> 1:28:24.760 like it means it is a big thing to win 1:28:24.760 --> 1:28:28.559 the pump door and all this stuff, but Venice can 1:28:28.600 --> 1:28:30.480 be a little more unexpected. 1:28:30.800 --> 1:28:33.479 Well the way it's less prestigious. You know, it's still 1:28:33.560 --> 1:28:36.360 very prestigious, but it's like less than Can. It like 1:28:36.439 --> 1:28:40.080 is like Brooklyn. It's Brooklyn, Whereas I almost want to 1:28:40.080 --> 1:28:45.120 put Can straighter, like because it's the default. It's the default, 1:28:45.160 --> 1:28:47.759 and it's so like that got an eight minute standing ovation, 1:28:47.800 --> 1:28:49.559 which means it's eight minutes worth of good back out 1:28:49.560 --> 1:28:52.360 twelve minutes standing oovation. Like it's like statistically like what's 1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:57.519 coming out about it? Yeah, let's say Can is the straightest. Now. 1:28:57.560 --> 1:29:01.400 Tiff and Sentance are interesting. Both of them are the 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:06.720 indie darlings. Both of them are like Zoeydachannel. 1:29:07.200 --> 1:29:12.400 Yeah, this is tough, this is Tiff, This is Tiff. 1:29:13.960 --> 1:29:17.320 I think so Sundance has an element which I know 1:29:17.400 --> 1:29:20.240 it's no longer going to be in Park City, yeah, 1:29:20.280 --> 1:29:24.439 but I think the fact that it was was pretty 1:29:24.520 --> 1:29:28.240 gay of it. Yeah, to take over like you're essentially 1:29:28.360 --> 1:29:30.519 going on a vacation and writing it off completely like 1:29:30.560 --> 1:29:33.000 you're being like, well, I it's actually not a vacation 1:29:33.120 --> 1:29:35.680 because the festival's here, but like you go there and 1:29:35.720 --> 1:29:40.160 like seeing your outfits like ski even though you're not skiing. Yeah, 1:29:40.200 --> 1:29:42.960 it's like it's all very like campy and tongue in cheek. 1:29:43.040 --> 1:29:43.439 It is. 1:29:43.680 --> 1:29:47.320 It's also very like Sundance is the film festival equivalent 1:29:47.560 --> 1:29:52.479 of a business that is made to look independent but 1:29:52.560 --> 1:29:56.000 is actually owned by Amazon, like it is. It's like 1:29:56.360 --> 1:30:01.040 Blank Street Coffee or something like it is it Everyone 1:30:01.160 --> 1:30:05.240 is like self consciously dressed a little more casual and 1:30:05.280 --> 1:30:07.800 pretending that they're like they just like stumbled into there 1:30:07.880 --> 1:30:12.599 with their hot tea. And then every background, every step 1:30:12.600 --> 1:30:16.639 and repeat has like Dropbox on it. Yeah, yeah, and 1:30:16.760 --> 1:30:21.320 so and I think there's something about Tiff that's a 1:30:21.320 --> 1:30:23.160 little more down to earth. 1:30:25.479 --> 1:30:27.760 Now Yeah, no, I think that's true. Sundance has like 1:30:27.800 --> 1:30:31.639 a it's neoliberal, Yeah, you know what I mean. 1:30:33.520 --> 1:30:37.880 Okay, so does that mean Tiff is Gayer? I so 1:30:37.920 --> 1:30:43.759 it goes from straight to gate. Can Sundance Tiff Venice? 1:30:44.320 --> 1:30:48.040 I'm comfortable with that. I'm comfortable with that. Okay, Okay, 1:30:48.120 --> 1:30:52.880 this one, I must say that George wanted to play 1:30:52.920 --> 1:30:57.200 without comment, and I said, no, it requires a comment. 1:30:57.960 --> 1:31:00.360 And Sam aim in here and I call in as 1:31:00.360 --> 1:31:03.679 a literal subject of the discourse. I need to start 1:31:03.720 --> 1:31:06.679 with a confession. Sam. I believe I am the Takia 1:31:06.760 --> 1:31:11.840 solid bear from the episode Survivor. I was the guy 1:31:11.840 --> 1:31:13.559 standing right next to you at the good room who 1:31:13.640 --> 1:31:18.240 ordered that's the new beverage, and this is that bare backlash. However, George, 1:31:18.280 --> 1:31:20.799 I'm really calling because of a massive lapse in alignment 1:31:20.880 --> 1:31:23.479 I witnessed back in June. I was listening to the 1:31:23.479 --> 1:31:24.760 weightlifting episode of g M. 1:31:24.840 --> 1:31:25.160 Marco. 1:31:25.400 --> 1:31:27.679 On my way to a certain high end, you lift 1:31:27.680 --> 1:31:31.160 a scented Jim in Brooklyn. I had literally just reached 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:33.320 the part when he explained that changing in the locker 1:31:33.400 --> 1:31:36.799 room with a towel around your waist is inherently straight behavior. 1:31:37.760 --> 1:31:40.400 As I proceeded into the locker room, go to my corner, 1:31:40.680 --> 1:31:43.720 and whom do I find at the very next locker George? 1:31:44.240 --> 1:31:47.320 And what is he doing? He is standing there, completely 1:31:47.360 --> 1:31:50.679 shrouded in a towel, actively engaged in the exact straight 1:31:50.720 --> 1:31:55.400 behavior he had just finished pathologizing in my ear. George, 1:31:55.560 --> 1:31:57.760 I was a listener trying to live my values and 1:31:57.800 --> 1:32:01.720 more move toward a more enlightened, power free existence. And 1:32:01.760 --> 1:32:05.280 there you were the architect of the discourse, clinging to 1:32:05.320 --> 1:32:09.000 your modesty like a suburban dat at a YMCA. My 1:32:09.120 --> 1:32:11.960 question is was this a one time performance of straightness 1:32:12.439 --> 1:32:14.280 or do we need to have a serious conversation about 1:32:14.320 --> 1:32:17.320 the integrity of our values. How can we as a 1:32:17.360 --> 1:32:20.759 community move forward when the call is coming from inside 1:32:20.760 --> 1:32:21.320 the locker room? 1:32:21.800 --> 1:32:25.080 You know this is George, Thank you. 1:32:25.760 --> 1:32:29.519 This is so interesting because you think that you are 1:32:30.200 --> 1:32:33.599 gotcha in me, but what you're actually doing is making 1:32:33.640 --> 1:32:36.759 these definitions so rigid, which goes against the entire ethos 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:39.080 of the podcast, and saying like you said this, but 1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:39.559 you did this. 1:32:39.640 --> 1:32:40.520 That's hypocritical. 1:32:40.560 --> 1:32:43.719 I'll have you know that, depending on my mood, how 1:32:44.040 --> 1:32:48.160 like good I feel, you know, how horny I am, whatever, 1:32:48.680 --> 1:32:51.120 I am doing various different kinds of performances in the 1:32:51.160 --> 1:32:53.720 locker room. Sometimes I'm talel on, sometimes I'm tele off. 1:32:53.760 --> 1:32:57.320 Sometimes I even will walk towel off from a locker 1:32:57.400 --> 1:32:59.760 room from locker to shower. Sometimes I'll put my toil 1:32:59.800 --> 1:33:02.440 on for the walk. Sometimes I'll have two towels. 1:33:03.560 --> 1:33:06.600 George, just face it. You have been exposed as a hypocrite, 1:33:07.200 --> 1:33:10.760 and in these trying times it is so important that 1:33:10.800 --> 1:33:14.040 we live our values. I think this bear is very 1:33:14.080 --> 1:33:21.280 correctly coming for you. And I cannot believe you wrap 1:33:21.320 --> 1:33:24.400 a towel around you and then slide the underwear up 1:33:24.439 --> 1:33:28.480 the towel. I do not do that always. I sometimes 1:33:28.600 --> 1:33:31.360 do that depending on how crowded my little corner is, 1:33:31.479 --> 1:33:34.120 and if I don't want to like risk touching someone 1:33:34.120 --> 1:33:34.879 with my ass. 1:33:35.320 --> 1:33:39.479 I cannot believe it. This is just saying. And I 1:33:39.520 --> 1:33:43.480 actually think this is part a general a more general 1:33:43.680 --> 1:33:48.720 like it's more generally mamblematic of me being not one 1:33:48.800 --> 1:33:51.400 hundred percent at home in a gym setting is that 1:33:51.439 --> 1:33:54.920 I don't have specific habits, like I really go back 1:33:54.920 --> 1:33:58.639 and forth between being like completely free and being completely covered, 1:33:59.080 --> 1:34:02.320 and it's almost to tell. It's like he doesn't belong 1:34:02.360 --> 1:34:05.080 here because he doesn't know exactly what his like. It's 1:34:05.120 --> 1:34:06.880 the same way I would never shave in a gym 1:34:06.920 --> 1:34:08.400 because I'm like, what if I do it wrong? What 1:34:08.479 --> 1:34:10.799 if I suddenly it's not allowed. 1:34:10.920 --> 1:34:13.120 I love shaving at the gym, Oh my god. 1:34:14.200 --> 1:34:17.280 Anyway, but you know what, I am taking your feedback, 1:34:17.400 --> 1:34:21.160 and I vow from now on to just sort of 1:34:21.160 --> 1:34:24.080 be cock out constantly at the gym, maybe even on 1:34:24.120 --> 1:34:25.519 the way lifting floor. 1:34:26.240 --> 1:34:28.720 Well that's what happened to Nicole byer. 1:34:29.439 --> 1:34:35.360 I, and I want to say I appreciate the poetic 1:34:35.880 --> 1:34:36.639 nature of this call. 1:34:36.720 --> 1:34:38.439 I mean, if it is attacking me, that was an 1:34:38.439 --> 1:34:41.000 amazing call. But I will say this, I think a 1:34:41.080 --> 1:34:44.519 big theme of this call list is George. 1:34:45.120 --> 1:34:46.840 Well, I didn't want to say anything, but a lot 1:34:46.840 --> 1:34:49.200 of them are addressing me, and you. 1:34:49.760 --> 1:34:52.600 Are addressing you this time around. It's actually very interesting. 1:34:53.560 --> 1:34:56.479 The big challenge for next time is ask address Sam 1:34:56.520 --> 1:35:02.080 and I'm I'm just feeling so invisible in a way 1:35:02.120 --> 1:35:04.080 that is interesting. 1:35:04.160 --> 1:35:05.600 Well, you know, I'm sorry to tell you this, but 1:35:05.640 --> 1:35:07.320 we have more listeners in New York than LA and 1:35:07.360 --> 1:35:09.519 so they're more likely at this point to see me 1:35:09.640 --> 1:35:10.360 and think about me. 1:35:10.600 --> 1:35:10.760 Well. 1:35:10.800 --> 1:35:13.800 Also, of course your hair is going out. It's like 1:35:14.120 --> 1:35:16.519 maybe it's time for me to do a big uh. Yeah, 1:35:16.520 --> 1:35:17.960 how are you gonna keep up? I think I have 1:35:18.000 --> 1:35:20.599 to die my hair. You have to dye your hair 1:35:20.920 --> 1:35:22.640 and then put your towel all the way up to 1:35:22.680 --> 1:35:25.840 your booby. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what I have to do. 1:35:27.840 --> 1:35:33.719 I this is a very periant question, but I feel 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:36.720 like you two can speak to it intelligently. 1:35:38.720 --> 1:35:39.720 Do you think that. 1:35:41.920 --> 1:35:45.439 In a conversation with friends, women were saying that they 1:35:45.479 --> 1:35:48.080 pretty much tell each other when they're dating some dating 1:35:48.280 --> 1:35:49.080 a man. 1:35:49.520 --> 1:35:51.680 They tell the other person everything. 1:35:51.320 --> 1:35:54.040 About that gentleman. 1:35:55.280 --> 1:35:55.479 Cock. 1:35:57.320 --> 1:36:01.600 Is that I feel like there's a level of privacy 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:08.240 among gay men Or am I wrong? Is like disclose 1:36:08.320 --> 1:36:08.719 up all. 1:36:08.560 --> 1:36:14.400 The details about your partner's dick purely straight? 1:36:16.800 --> 1:36:17.240 Or does it. 1:36:19.000 --> 1:36:21.080 Learn a line? 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:22.360 All? 1:36:22.439 --> 1:36:23.479 Right, have a good one. 1:36:25.040 --> 1:36:28.439 Well, we were talking about this with them jeans, Oh, 1:36:28.479 --> 1:36:32.680 remind me what we said. He was saying, how we 1:36:32.680 --> 1:36:35.160 were talking about straight women versus straight men, and how 1:36:35.240 --> 1:36:38.839 straight women, ironically, even though straight men have the reputation 1:36:38.880 --> 1:36:41.800 of objectifying women, straight women ironically are more likely to 1:36:41.840 --> 1:36:44.880 talk about like specifics of their husband's dick, whereas a 1:36:44.880 --> 1:36:46.920 straight man would never be like, this is what my 1:36:47.040 --> 1:36:49.160 wife's private parts are like? 1:36:49.560 --> 1:36:50.639 Right right, right, right right. 1:36:50.680 --> 1:36:52.439 So that's sort of men versus women. But this one 1:36:52.520 --> 1:36:54.840 is interesting because it's straight the gay. 1:36:55.720 --> 1:37:00.840 I think I think there's something about gay men talking 1:37:00.880 --> 1:37:04.639 about other men's dicks where there almost is a little 1:37:04.680 --> 1:37:08.920 bit more empathy in every direction. And like, I think 1:37:08.960 --> 1:37:11.960 they will talk about it, but the stats they're sharing 1:37:12.040 --> 1:37:15.120 are different, Like it's more like how was sex? Like, 1:37:15.160 --> 1:37:17.920 I think it's very like sex was good sex, This 1:37:18.080 --> 1:37:20.880 was fun, this was the energy this yeah, this was weird, 1:37:20.960 --> 1:37:25.520 this blah blah blah. But like I think, like literally 1:37:25.600 --> 1:37:29.320 just being like dick was this long, this wide is 1:37:29.360 --> 1:37:31.439 like very not the culture. 1:37:32.280 --> 1:37:35.720 Yeah, well men versus women is much more warlike. It's 1:37:35.760 --> 1:37:41.200 like give me, It's like it's comparison based. It is 1:37:41.240 --> 1:37:44.080 like it's very like, Okay, this is the biggest dick 1:37:44.120 --> 1:37:45.960 I've ever seen and the spotlest dick I've ever seen. 1:37:46.520 --> 1:37:51.400 And I also think the specific question was about partners, 1:37:51.439 --> 1:37:54.559 and I do think what happens with gay men is 1:37:55.280 --> 1:37:59.920 I think I will much more freely discuss non partin 1:38:00.520 --> 1:38:02.920 men I hook up the same thing, and I would 1:38:03.000 --> 1:38:06.000 never I don't think i've I would never go into 1:38:06.080 --> 1:38:11.080 like super lurid details about like me and my partner. 1:38:11.600 --> 1:38:13.320 I mean maybe with like a close friend, but but 1:38:14.160 --> 1:38:20.400 it is that does seem weirdly way more private or sacred, 1:38:20.800 --> 1:38:22.719 Whereas I'm like, if. 1:38:22.640 --> 1:38:24.960 It's a hook cup, I'm like, well as cock was there, 1:38:26.000 --> 1:38:29.280 If it's like Misha, I'm like, only my most trusted 1:38:29.280 --> 1:38:30.760 friends who I really get into it with. 1:38:31.040 --> 1:38:34.840 So I think maybe that's the difference, is that if 1:38:34.880 --> 1:38:37.920 a straight couple is monogamous. That's the one dick she 1:38:37.960 --> 1:38:40.479 has to talk about, so she's gonna bring it up. 1:38:42.640 --> 1:38:44.759 The only time I really bring up size of someone's 1:38:44.800 --> 1:38:47.040 deck is if it's like notably large, whor it's just 1:38:47.120 --> 1:38:50.240 like I actually haven't seen one that big very often. 1:38:50.520 --> 1:38:53.120 Like then I'm sort of like, wow, that was, like, 1:38:54.040 --> 1:38:55.320 that's like seeing the Grand Canyon. 1:38:56.840 --> 1:39:01.080 Hi, Simon George. I'm Martin gla mcgirl from the Netherlands. 1:39:01.720 --> 1:39:04.360 I've always wondered that if your listeners are glamour girls, 1:39:04.400 --> 1:39:07.800 then your title should be Glamour Divas or something more 1:39:07.840 --> 1:39:12.080 stupid sounding anywhere. I don't know if you know this, 1:39:12.160 --> 1:39:16.479 but your podcast has a high listenability quality. I don't 1:39:16.479 --> 1:39:19.840 know if that's a word. And I often revisit old episodes. 1:39:21.000 --> 1:39:23.839 Which do you prefer episodes where the topic is discussed 1:39:23.880 --> 1:39:27.280 in length and you go along theorizing tangents and are 1:39:27.320 --> 1:39:31.559 often creating binaries, or the episodes where the topic brings 1:39:31.640 --> 1:39:34.479 up a different conversation and barely even touch. 1:39:34.360 --> 1:39:37.840 The question the guests topic. Love them both and love 1:39:37.880 --> 1:39:43.800 you too, XO, so love you another hot voice. I 1:39:43.840 --> 1:39:46.640 know something is going on, something's up. Maybe you're just 1:39:46.880 --> 1:39:51.960 rock hard yeah, maybe, Okay, this is an interesting question. 1:39:52.960 --> 1:39:55.200 Do we care. Do we prefer to talk about the 1:39:55.200 --> 1:39:57.839 topic a lot, or to just go fully off topic 1:39:58.000 --> 1:40:04.080 and be crazy. I think it really depends on if 1:40:04.080 --> 1:40:07.240 the guest actually cares about their topic, because there's something 1:40:07.280 --> 1:40:10.680 that's happening where our guests, if they like have never 1:40:10.720 --> 1:40:13.200 listened to the pod before we'll come on, they won't 1:40:13.200 --> 1:40:15.320 know what we're talking about. They're like, oh, I have 1:40:15.360 --> 1:40:16.840 to have a straight topic. What do you guys want 1:40:16.840 --> 1:40:18.840 to Oh, you know, I've always done it, And we're 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:22.200 like either intimidated or or we just don't feel like 1:40:22.280 --> 1:40:23.840 arguing with them and they don't seem to care about 1:40:23.840 --> 1:40:25.840 the topics or just like sure that works, and then 1:40:25.880 --> 1:40:28.200 we like don't talk about it much because they don't care. 1:40:28.240 --> 1:40:30.880 And if they don't care, we don't care. Yeah uh, 1:40:31.320 --> 1:40:33.240 and we just don't want to like argue with them 1:40:33.280 --> 1:40:37.559 basically beforehand. And I like those episodes to an extent. 1:40:38.120 --> 1:40:40.240 But when a guest does care about the topic, I 1:40:40.320 --> 1:40:44.920 really do prefer it because their enthusiasm I think leads 1:40:45.000 --> 1:40:47.640 us and we get to then like really dive in 1:40:47.680 --> 1:40:50.200 and get deeper and deeper. Whereas it's so clear when 1:40:50.200 --> 1:40:51.720 the guest doesn't care about the topic, we try to 1:40:51.760 --> 1:40:54.120 go deeper. They're like, okay, moving on, yeah, and we're 1:40:54.160 --> 1:40:56.240 like no, the point is we like kind of dig 1:40:56.280 --> 1:40:58.240 in yeah. 1:40:57.760 --> 1:41:00.280 And you know, to bring ourselves in to it a 1:41:00.280 --> 1:41:03.000 little bit, and not to only blame the guests, not 1:41:03.040 --> 1:41:04.800 that that's what you were doing, but guest blaming, you're 1:41:04.800 --> 1:41:07.000 guest blaming. I would say, well, I would say, first 1:41:07.000 --> 1:41:10.240 of all, definitively, I do prefer episodes where we go 1:41:10.280 --> 1:41:13.160 into theorizing like that is in my dream world, every 1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:16.120 episode would be mostly theorizing about a topic, and we 1:41:16.120 --> 1:41:19.040 would get to a point where, like when we have 1:41:19.360 --> 1:41:22.160 someone like theta On who's really smart, where we're like, 1:41:22.439 --> 1:41:26.800 we're really like to taking a topic like photography and 1:41:27.600 --> 1:41:30.800 theorizing about when when is photography gay? When photography straight? 1:41:30.840 --> 1:41:32.639 What is the evolution of it? We're doing this kind 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:37.200 of comedic, idiotic philosophizing that I just think it's when 1:41:37.200 --> 1:41:39.120 we get in that role, I'm it really feels like 1:41:39.160 --> 1:41:40.840 we're in a flow state and it feels like so 1:41:41.040 --> 1:41:44.240 fun and it feels like improv and all this stuff. 1:41:44.800 --> 1:41:47.000 So yes, in an ideal world, that is what every 1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:49.240 episode would be like. But I think both of us 1:41:49.280 --> 1:41:52.559 are worried about forcing it. So if it's not going 1:41:52.600 --> 1:41:59.400 there organically, oftentimes we won't push it. And maybe if 1:41:59.840 --> 1:42:03.280 we're like twenty percent more pushy, we could get it there. 1:42:03.680 --> 1:42:06.840 Yeah. Well, this is the big internal debate to get 1:42:06.840 --> 1:42:09.400 a peek behind the curtain. Is we're wondering how pushy 1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:11.559 to be and that's how almost rude to be. 1:42:11.760 --> 1:42:14.920 Yes, this is like a legitimate, not even debate, because 1:42:14.920 --> 1:42:16.960 I think neither of us is. It's not like we're 1:42:16.960 --> 1:42:19.679 each one side and we're arguing, right, we are both 1:42:19.760 --> 1:42:24.920 undecided about how much we want to go combative interviewer 1:42:25.000 --> 1:42:29.640 mode as a bit and like alienate the guests for 1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:31.840 the sake of the audience having a better time, like 1:42:31.920 --> 1:42:34.040 perform for the audience rather than perform for the guests. 1:42:34.560 --> 1:42:36.479 And it's tough because we have done that in the past, 1:42:36.520 --> 1:42:39.720 but only with like close friends. Yeah, and so when 1:42:39.720 --> 1:42:42.240 it's not someone we know very well, it's always like, well, 1:42:42.280 --> 1:42:44.559 I'm not going to be mean to a random person 1:42:44.600 --> 1:42:48.080 I don't know. But then it's like should we like, uh, 1:42:49.040 --> 1:42:52.280 like it's an interesting thing. And also it's just like 1:42:53.360 --> 1:42:55.280 it's so easy for us to be mean to our friends. 1:42:55.280 --> 1:42:57.639 But both of us are like polite people, and it's 1:42:57.840 --> 1:43:00.120 very hard for us to be rude to someone one 1:43:00.160 --> 1:43:00.880 who we barely know. 1:43:00.960 --> 1:43:02.759 I know it makes me feel like a fraud sometimes 1:43:02.800 --> 1:43:06.479 because I'm just like, if if I was listening to 1:43:06.520 --> 1:43:11.439 someone else, be so different differential, sure is that the 1:43:11.479 --> 1:43:16.559 right word? I think, so deferential to a big guess 1:43:16.600 --> 1:43:20.040 that they're intimidated by, I'd be like, I'm turning. 1:43:19.840 --> 1:43:21.280 This off right, I'd be like, grow up. 1:43:22.240 --> 1:43:25.360 But it is difficult in the moment to like humiliate 1:43:25.400 --> 1:43:30.479 yourself and or take a risk, and you also do 1:43:30.680 --> 1:43:33.200 genuinely risk because the other person if that if a 1:43:33.240 --> 1:43:37.679 person is going on the Adam Friedlin Show, they sort 1:43:37.680 --> 1:43:39.760 of know that that's what they're in for because they've 1:43:39.760 --> 1:43:42.599 like maybe seen past clips. They know that he plays 1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:45.719 this character. Where I think for us, because we don't 1:43:45.720 --> 1:43:48.040 necessarily play that character, it would be like really jarring 1:43:48.160 --> 1:43:53.360 to have to have like, you know, uh, Jennifer Lopez 1:43:53.439 --> 1:43:55.599 on and suddenly be like screaming at her. 1:43:56.640 --> 1:43:58.639 I also, this is something I don't know if this 1:43:58.680 --> 1:44:02.040 is true, but tell me what you think. Where I 1:44:02.040 --> 1:44:05.360 think as gay guys were expected to stand I know 1:44:05.680 --> 1:44:08.160 in a different way, and I think it's a little 1:44:08.200 --> 1:44:10.640 bit unfair. And I think like our guests come on 1:44:10.680 --> 1:44:12.960 and being like, oh, two gay guys, they're going to 1:44:13.000 --> 1:44:15.240 love me, and it's like, oh, we kind of want 1:44:15.240 --> 1:44:17.400 to like be able to pretend to be mean to you, 1:44:17.439 --> 1:44:19.559 and you're okay with it, but they're just so used 1:44:19.600 --> 1:44:22.719 to like like everyone's just like, well it's gay guys 1:44:22.720 --> 1:44:25.559 on a microphone. They're going to be actually too nice 1:44:25.600 --> 1:44:28.559 to me. And we're like and we're like what we 1:44:28.640 --> 1:44:30.680 do is like worse where we're like we don't want 1:44:30.680 --> 1:44:32.599 to be too nice, nor do we want to be rude, 1:44:32.640 --> 1:44:34.400 so we're just like normal down the middle. Yeah. 1:44:34.479 --> 1:44:39.880 No, that's that's exactly it. It's like I think being 1:44:39.920 --> 1:44:41.280 down the middle is the worst thing you can do. 1:44:41.400 --> 1:44:43.680 I would rather just be like, okay, I'm going to 1:44:43.720 --> 1:44:47.439 bunk my head and just be stand mode. Yeah, and 1:44:47.479 --> 1:44:49.400 then it can be like fun in a sort of 1:44:49.479 --> 1:44:53.080 like you know Evan ross Katz interviewing the heated rivalry 1:44:53.080 --> 1:44:57.240 guy's way, yeah totally, or you know, or you go 1:44:57.280 --> 1:45:00.960 Adam Friedlin mode, but like yeah, and so I think 1:45:01.000 --> 1:45:06.559 that's why oftentimes we will not want to have bigger 1:45:06.960 --> 1:45:10.280 slubs on Yeah. 1:45:10.479 --> 1:45:14.320 But don't worry. We're gonna have Amanda syfreed on and 1:45:14.360 --> 1:45:16.280 we are going to tell her that her forehead is 1:45:16.320 --> 1:45:18.479 too fucking small to play that character and that she 1:45:18.600 --> 1:45:21.920 was stealing roles from four Hedges women. 1:45:25.560 --> 1:45:29.960 Yeah, I gotta say not to bring up my experience 1:45:30.000 --> 1:45:32.920 at the Golden Globes yet again, but this was something 1:45:32.960 --> 1:45:37.720 that was very apparent there where it's like we would 1:45:37.760 --> 1:45:40.800 write questions that are clearly meant in jest and then 1:45:40.840 --> 1:45:43.320 celebrities like wouldn't know how to deal with them, so 1:45:43.360 --> 1:45:45.840 then you just get like an awkward interaction. I mean 1:45:45.920 --> 1:45:49.479 where like we asked Claire Danes, like, you know, you're 1:45:49.560 --> 1:45:51.320 really smart? Is it hard for you to be the 1:45:51.320 --> 1:45:53.479 smartest person in the room at these events, which is 1:45:53.520 --> 1:45:56.720 like such a layup, and she's just like, very sweetly like, Oh, 1:45:56.840 --> 1:45:58.519 I wouldn't say that's what makes it hard. I think 1:45:58.520 --> 1:46:01.000 it's just more it's just stressful for there's. 1:46:00.840 --> 1:46:03.559 So many smart creative people in the field, and no, 1:46:03.760 --> 1:46:08.240 I think I really underestimate pr training. Yeah, because like 1:46:08.280 --> 1:46:09.760 there have been some interviews where I'm like, oh, we're 1:46:09.800 --> 1:46:12.880 gonna ask them like a somewhat biting question and they're 1:46:12.880 --> 1:46:16.240 gonna like get it and run with us, and it's like, no, 1:46:16.479 --> 1:46:19.760 the pr training is like in the bones sometimes, you 1:46:19.800 --> 1:46:19.960 know what. 1:46:20.040 --> 1:46:23.360 Else to be more empathetic to those celebrities, they are 1:46:23.360 --> 1:46:25.519 forced to do so much stupid bullshit now as part 1:46:25.560 --> 1:46:27.519 of their press tours, of course, like they have to 1:46:27.520 --> 1:46:31.120 eat hot wings, they have to like, you know, go 1:46:31.200 --> 1:46:34.280 on some like random TikTok show where someone like forces 1:46:34.360 --> 1:46:38.519 them to you know, walk on one leg while like 1:46:39.040 --> 1:46:41.120 you know, touching their head or something like they have 1:46:41.160 --> 1:46:42.800 to do a lie detector test. They have to be 1:46:42.920 --> 1:46:45.400 constantly reminded of their movies they made when they were seventeen, 1:46:45.800 --> 1:46:49.720 and it's like, unless we're doing something super different, all 1:46:49.760 --> 1:46:51.480 we're doing is adding to that cacophony. 1:46:51.560 --> 1:46:54.120 Don't say that we're not doing that. We're not adding 1:46:54.120 --> 1:46:56.320 to that. I want to say that. It's like, this 1:46:56.479 --> 1:47:00.200 is why, like Jennifer Lawrence gets to be such a 1:47:00.800 --> 1:47:02.920 because it's like when you find someone who is both 1:47:02.960 --> 1:47:05.360 good at acting, which is a lot of actors, but 1:47:05.400 --> 1:47:07.760 then also has like a fun personality and can do 1:47:08.000 --> 1:47:10.240 hot wings and actually be charming, can do a podcast 1:47:10.280 --> 1:47:12.559 where people are weird and actually kind of get the bit. 1:47:12.880 --> 1:47:15.240 You're like, oh, well, you are God now literally, and 1:47:15.280 --> 1:47:19.520 we haven't really found one since then. We literally haven't. 1:47:19.680 --> 1:47:22.800 I mean, I think Ivy Woke is obviously going to 1:47:22.880 --> 1:47:24.720 be that, but she's doing it the opposite way, where 1:47:24.720 --> 1:47:28.160 she's crushing the comedy podcast circuit and then we'll win 1:47:28.200 --> 1:47:30.320 an oscar by the time she is twenty seven. 1:47:31.000 --> 1:47:37.000 Which is in fifteen years. In fifteen years. Yeah, it's complicated, 1:47:37.439 --> 1:47:39.519 but I sort of like that. The show is always 1:47:39.520 --> 1:47:40.320 a work in progress. 1:47:40.360 --> 1:47:42.360 Oh honey, we're growing, we're changing. 1:47:42.280 --> 1:47:47.040 And I'm much more into the idea of being looser 1:47:47.200 --> 1:47:49.360 and sort of like playing it fast and loose with 1:47:49.400 --> 1:47:51.679 segments and with topics and. 1:47:53.160 --> 1:47:57.599 Doing special episodes and things like that. Yeah, I like that. 1:47:57.680 --> 1:48:06.599 This is our ending call. Actually me too, it's reflective. Yeah, well, 1:48:06.960 --> 1:48:09.160 you know, we no longer call these shows earnestness bonanzas, 1:48:09.200 --> 1:48:13.840 buta this ending was, Well, it's because we've we're just 1:48:13.960 --> 1:48:17.360 more real. We're more real, I know than we once more. 1:48:17.520 --> 1:48:19.960 I know it's true, we've dropped the act. We should 1:48:19.960 --> 1:48:22.320 have a year when we're bad. I know I'm ready 1:48:22.360 --> 1:48:24.040 to be bad. To be honest, I'm ready to be bad. 1:48:24.400 --> 1:48:25.160 We need to be bad. 1:48:26.040 --> 1:48:28.840 You know what's funny even with our friends now, we 1:48:28.920 --> 1:48:30.680 used to be more mean to them. I think the 1:48:30.720 --> 1:48:32.880 older we get, the more I'm like, well, it seems 1:48:32.880 --> 1:48:34.560 cool to ask someone to come on a podcast and 1:48:34.560 --> 1:48:35.439 then be mean to them. 1:48:35.760 --> 1:48:38.280 I mean we were mina Jewelers. Oh yeah, that was 1:48:38.320 --> 1:48:41.280 really good. Yeah. 1:48:41.280 --> 1:48:43.680 Maybe we should just have Joe Firestone on once a 1:48:43.720 --> 1:48:45.240 month and just verbally abuse her. 1:48:45.920 --> 1:48:50.519 Yeah, and then maybe we need to have Yeah, get ready, 1:48:50.520 --> 1:48:53.040 we're going back to our roots. It's time to you mean. Okay. 1:48:54.200 --> 1:48:56.679 I love that and earnestly thank you everyone for calling 1:48:56.720 --> 1:48:59.320 these work, and we did. We got to a small 1:48:59.360 --> 1:49:02.000 fraction of the not to rag, but there are a 1:49:02.000 --> 1:49:04.120 lot of other ones that I thought were really great, 1:49:04.680 --> 1:49:07.080 some very thoughtful calls. This time around, I think our 1:49:07.080 --> 1:49:09.120 audience is growing with us in a very sweet way. 1:49:09.320 --> 1:49:11.600 Yeah, and you know, next time, if you want to 1:49:11.640 --> 1:49:13.400 be asked me about anything that's going on in my life, 1:49:13.479 --> 1:49:15.400 you know I wouldn't be opposed. I do have a 1:49:15.479 --> 1:49:18.320 rich in her life. If you care about those sorts 1:49:18.320 --> 1:49:22.599 of topics. Would you like questions about you know, hair, 1:49:22.760 --> 1:49:29.479 body face, you know, dreams, wants, wishes, et cetera. Yeah, 1:49:29.560 --> 1:49:34.240 favorite color, favorite food, vacation, destinations in the coming year 1:49:35.200 --> 1:49:39.840 top bottom verse, just questions such as that. 1:49:40.000 --> 1:49:41.519 Yeah, so if you guys could just write in and 1:49:41.560 --> 1:49:44.360 maybe ask Sam if he's top bottom or verse, he 1:49:44.400 --> 1:49:47.920 would really appreciate that. It's something he's always wanted to 1:49:47.960 --> 1:49:48.839 answer on air. 1:49:48.840 --> 1:49:52.639 Because I, you know, I'm currently giving sidekick and that's 1:49:52.680 --> 1:49:53.120 a bit tough. 1:49:53.200 --> 1:49:55.800 I do not think you're currently giving side giving. Oh 1:49:55.880 --> 1:49:59.040 my god, Andy Richter asked, I cannot believe this. 1:50:01.760 --> 1:50:06.719 No JK. I don't actually feel that way. Just trying 1:50:06.840 --> 1:50:07.760 practicing being bad. 1:50:08.960 --> 1:50:11.840 Well that's all we have to say. And I just 1:50:11.840 --> 1:50:18.759 want to say that it's time to change things politically now. 1:50:19.360 --> 1:50:23.080 Literally, you guys strike and boycott wherever you can. I 1:50:23.160 --> 1:50:25.160 will not be going to a restaurant on Friday, even 1:50:25.200 --> 1:50:27.280 though I don't know if it's allowed. I'm never eating again. 1:50:28.320 --> 1:50:31.599 That's called a hunger literally hunger strike until the entire 1:50:31.680 --> 1:50:33.960 system is dismantled. 1:50:34.080 --> 1:50:35.880 I have been on a hunger strike recently, but only 1:50:35.880 --> 1:50:39.080 because all my meals have been so small. I keep 1:50:39.120 --> 1:50:42.400 being like, whatever happened to portions calling dieting a hunger strike. 1:50:43.360 --> 1:50:45.280 I'm actually you're just dieting because you're like going to 1:50:45.280 --> 1:50:47.400 the Oscars, and you're like, I'm on a hunger strike. 1:50:47.520 --> 1:50:49.600 I feel like every every meal I have, I'm like, 1:50:49.600 --> 1:50:51.120 this is gonna be the big one? Is this big? 1:50:51.200 --> 1:50:51.439 Yeah? 1:50:51.520 --> 1:50:52.200 I'm starving. 1:50:52.800 --> 1:50:56.720 I want to say, it is so stressful when you 1:50:56.720 --> 1:50:58.519 go out to dinner with a friend and you know 1:50:58.560 --> 1:51:02.200 they're not a big eater and they refuse to order 1:51:02.320 --> 1:51:05.799 enough food. I went out to dinner with a friend recently. 1:51:06.360 --> 1:51:08.600 Actually I'm gonna I want not to say dinner with 1:51:08.600 --> 1:51:12.000 my friend in April. She initially suggested getting one appetizer and 1:51:12.040 --> 1:51:14.559 one entree to share. I had to step in. I 1:51:14.600 --> 1:51:18.360 had to say, April, I know you are a skin 1:51:18.479 --> 1:51:21.840 delicious diva who of course has a healthy relationship with food, 1:51:21.880 --> 1:51:24.200 but just like doesn't need more. 1:51:24.000 --> 1:51:27.559 Than that I do. And I actually put my foot 1:51:27.560 --> 1:51:29.519 down and I said, ordering another entree and then we 1:51:29.560 --> 1:51:33.439 got dessert. Well, Misha and I went out for birthday 1:51:33.439 --> 1:51:37.240 dinner with my brother and his girlfriend, and you better 1:51:37.240 --> 1:51:40.760 believe we ordered over one hundred things. Turns out they're 1:51:40.800 --> 1:51:41.759 all this big. 1:51:41.840 --> 1:51:45.760 Oh well yeah, I mean the top us, the topacification 1:51:45.800 --> 1:51:46.680 of everything needs to end. 1:51:46.720 --> 1:51:48.479 We order a steak, they say, how big it's going 1:51:48.560 --> 1:51:50.400 to be? An ounces, and then I get the thing 1:51:50.400 --> 1:51:52.479 and I say, bring out the scale. Yeah, because this 1:51:52.680 --> 1:51:54.120 is not that big. 1:51:53.880 --> 1:51:56.800 When they do ounces, but it's bone in you're saying, oh, so, 1:51:56.840 --> 1:51:58.240 I'm sorry, two thirds of this was bone. 1:51:58.240 --> 1:52:01.120 I'm paying for the bone. So I'm paying for the bone. 1:52:01.200 --> 1:52:04.439 Just just to be clear, I'm paying for the bone. Unbelievable, tip, 1:52:04.479 --> 1:52:07.360 but not for the bone. You can bone fee do 1:52:07.479 --> 1:52:09.360 the math, and you tip only for the barth that 1:52:09.479 --> 1:52:13.120 isn't bone, I mean the bone that was insane. Tip 1:52:13.160 --> 1:52:16.559 your servers. I'm gonna domestic terrorist thou restaurant. Oh my god, 1:52:16.600 --> 1:52:17.960 you should, and I will. 1:52:18.080 --> 1:52:20.439 As we said, it's easier to take down small businesses 1:52:20.439 --> 1:52:22.400 than big ones, and so let's start there and then 1:52:22.400 --> 1:52:23.600 you know, maybe in a few years we'll get to 1:52:23.600 --> 1:52:25.599 Amazon after there are no small business is left. 1:52:26.840 --> 1:52:29.920 Okay, Well, I could talk forever, but we unfortunately, I 1:52:29.960 --> 1:52:31.200 have to pee so bad. 1:52:31.200 --> 1:52:33.240 And I have to go to the gym fully naked. 1:52:33.600 --> 1:52:36.920 Goodbyebye podcast and now. 1:52:36.840 --> 1:52:39.840 For our visual learners. You can watch full video episodes 1:52:39.880 --> 1:52:42.720 on our YouTube channel and subscribe to our Patreon for 1:52:42.800 --> 1:52:46.200 two extra episodes a month at patreon dot com. 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