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Speaker 1: show announcement, and that is that we have a Street

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Speaker 1: Lab live show in New York City at our homeway

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Speaker 1: from home, the Bellhouse, on March thirteenth. That is, I'm

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Speaker 1: being told close to selling out, so get those tickets quick.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have Joe Firestone and Patti Harrison and

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Speaker 1: potentially on another person there as special guests. And then

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Speaker 1: I'm doing an hour at Union Hall in New York

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Speaker 1: City on March eighteenth, and I also hear tickets are

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Speaker 1: my hour two more times in Los Angeles, California, on

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Speaker 1: March twenty fourth and April first, And there's actually quite

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Speaker 1: a few tickets available for those other intimate little shows.

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Speaker 1: So I would love if you guys got tickets of those.

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Speaker 1: That would make my life much less humiliating. So see

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Speaker 1: you there. Enjoy the episode. Bye. Podcast starts now. What

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Speaker 1: is up everyone around the globe? We are at the

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Speaker 1: final George in La recording. We did it.

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Speaker 2: We did it, folks, We did it, Joe, We did

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Speaker 2: it Joe. Remember that, y'all, remember that, Remember we did it.

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Speaker 1: Joe simpler times.

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Speaker 2: Take me back, me back what a day, Take me

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Speaker 2: back to just having like a knot in my stomach

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Speaker 2: But then at the surface, being like.

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Speaker 1: Well what if it is where it's now, it's its

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Speaker 1: surface all the way down to the knot. Yeah, now

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Speaker 1: it sucks to be like damn, So we're just going

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Speaker 2: It's sort of interesting how the Charlie Brat era reflects

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Speaker 2: our political optimism then and also now what's happening with

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Speaker 2: like this like forced optimism about Kamala Harris. Yes, now

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Speaker 2: Charlie is doing her movie which is like Brad Summer,

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Speaker 2: while we are all in the most cynical, scared, angry

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Speaker 1: So she's like getting ahead of it and being like

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Speaker 2: That was like a funny, stupid thing to say. And

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Speaker 2: I really reject people, really reject people that like somehow

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Speaker 2: believe that that was her being like pussy hat limits March.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, like come on, everything she says is like

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Speaker 1: I think she's gonna pull it off. But of course,

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Speaker 2: So let's hope not let's hope not, but of course

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be saved as intro Charlie Assassination

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Speaker 2: Version MP.

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Speaker 1: We record over one hundred versions of our intro for

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Speaker 1: Learned the teachings teachings, the teaches of an Lee, straight Shooter,

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Speaker 2: Something interesting about me is that I actually, no joke,

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Speaker 2: It's I wanted to say that just so people think

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Speaker 2: No, we talked about it how Ann Lee herself was

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Speaker 2: What to Wikipedia Wikipedia for Annlee and look at the

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Speaker 2: You know why it's so big so you can project

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite batch of calls we've gotten.

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Speaker 1: I think, Wow, I don't rank them. I love all

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Speaker 2: Well, something happens without us planning it, which is that

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Speaker 2: more like, we just got back from a big potlck dinner.

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Speaker 1: Well, there was a lot of like representation and not

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Speaker 2: Well, I sort of like, I like kind of taking

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Speaker 1: Georgie's loving The Testament of Anilee. He has has been

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Speaker 1: And she was nice in the Native Americans. That's true.

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Speaker 2: As long as no one hooks up in there, you're fine.

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Speaker 2: the to the Searchlight Pictures conversation. So much of the

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Speaker 2: We've made memes about much less memorable things as all.

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Speaker 5: Guy question here, I'm going through my photos on my

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Speaker 2: You're saying you watched it when you were sick with

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Speaker 1: No matter what state of mind you're in, Rent, George,

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Speaker 3: This one Okay, Hey, Sam and George. I called before

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Speaker 3: My son is twenty five, or one of my sons

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Speaker 4: Hi there, this is for George listening to that app

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Speaker 4: Wear glasses last? Or do you just not give a fuck? Okay, anyways,

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Speaker 2: podcast much like Lady Gaga and Joe Calderon or Beyond

438
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Speaker 2: San Sasha Fears, and it is all fully scripted. We

439
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 2: have a lot of script meetings with the execs beforehand,

440
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Speaker 2: and I think we've been doing a really good job

441
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Speaker 2: of the storylines.

442
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Speaker 1: We've never dropped character. It's been so amazing to see

443
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Speaker 1: our characters grow and change. I also love.

444
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Speaker 2: That Julio's criticism is so powerful that this listener who

445
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 2: has never met Julio, I assume, is having a full

446
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 2: on identity crisis about whether or not you should keep

447
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Speaker 2: wearing glasses.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes, I actually think it's more powerful to overhear a

449
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Speaker 1: conversation that like somewhat pertains to you than how someone

450
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Speaker 1: directly tell you.

451
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Speaker 2: Well, undoubtedly, because it is completely unfiltered, like yeah, you

452
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Speaker 2: hear someone, It's like something simple as some hearing someone

453
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Speaker 2: being like I mean one of the most tragic things

454
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Speaker 2: you can do is wear a green polo, which, for

455
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Speaker 2: others not watching, is what I'm wearing now, and they're like,

456
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Speaker 2: oh my god, what. No one would ever say that

457
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Speaker 2: to my face. But that is just like suddenly you're like, oh,

458
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 2: I'm naked. Yeah, suddenly it's like, oh, I have to

459
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,160
Speaker 2: change fast before anyone notices, you know, Whereas if you're

460
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Speaker 2: already being seen wearing the green polo, you're sort of like, Oh,

461
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 2: it's no big deal, the worst has happened, I'm wearing it.

462
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Speaker 1: That is really tough.

463
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Speaker 2: So to answer this question, you are correct to point

464
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Speaker 2: out that it felt like a pretty real moment at

465
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Speaker 2: the time. And I must say, in the spirit of earnestness,

466
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Speaker 2: which is what these call in shows were originally designed

467
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Speaker 2: to be, I was very taken aback by that interaction,

468
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Speaker 2: and I felt like I when I was trying to

469
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Speaker 2: sort of like lobby it back to Julu and be like,

470
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Speaker 2: have you ever considered not dyeing your hair? He wasn't

471
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Speaker 2: exactly engaging in the same way that I was engaging

472
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Speaker 2: in a sort of comedic commentary about my persona.

473
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Speaker 1: Would well, it's so complex that interaction is obviously so

474
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Speaker 1: complex because yes, like Julio is being so direct, yeah,

475
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: and somewhat toxically direct, but at the same time he

476
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Speaker 1: thinks he's giving you like a compliment almost, and and

477
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Speaker 1: he's like thrown off that you think it's not a

478
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 1: good it's an insult. Yeah, and so he like doesn't

479
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Speaker 1: even know how to like process what you're saying. It

480
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: was like watching it, I was like, I'm watching like

481
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Speaker 1: a fundamental disagreement that is, like the disagreement of worldview

482
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Speaker 1: rather than like opinions. Yes, and so I was like, huh,

483
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Speaker 1: this is so interesting.

484
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Speaker 2: I know, it really felt like a rip in reality

485
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Speaker 2: where I was like, oh, no, we are we have

486
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: fundamentally different ways of viewing the world.

487
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Speaker 1: I always think, like I somewhat wrongly am like we're

488
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Speaker 1: all relatively the same, yeah, no matter our backgrounds, like,

489
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Speaker 1: no matter, Like I'm sort of like, I'm like, well,

490
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Speaker 1: we're all brought together through comedy and this especially comedy

491
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: in New York City. We all know a similar worldview whatever.

492
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 1: And then it's like, nope, not even close.

493
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Speaker 2: I mean this is now not even about Julio, but

494
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 2: to your point about comedy, there's something about comedy, stand

495
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: up comedy, where you can come at it from completely

496
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 2: different entry points. So you can come at it through

497
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: wanting to be an actor and taking acting class and

498
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: discovering this different route of performance. You can come at

499
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Speaker 2: it because you want to be a writer and you

500
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 2: feel like this is a way to get your writing

501
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 2: out there. You can now, especially in this town, people

502
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: come at it through clowning. Through clowning and sort of

503
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 2: like you can come at it through like the art

504
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: world and like being like essentially like doing performance art.

505
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Speaker 2: So and I think that's not true of many, Like

506
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 2: that's not true of painters or sculptors or honestly even playwrights.

507
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: Like there is something specific it's it brings such a

508
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 2: diverse group of people together. There anyway, has my interaction

509
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: with Julio changed my view of my glasses.

510
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Speaker 1: I'm certainly more open to not wearing glasses after that interaction,

511
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Speaker 1: I will say, interesting. Yeah.

512
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Speaker 2: And the other reason I got so defensive about that

513
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: is because specifically with these glasses, I've been wanting to

514
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 2: replace them for a while and have like you know,

515
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: when you are overwhelmed with choices and you don't know

516
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 2: which one to pick and it's now been fully like

517
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Speaker 2: years of being like, okay, it's time to change, time

518
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: to change them, so to be for them to be

519
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: pointed out as a flaw, I was like, oh, so

520
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 2: everyone else sees this as well.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense that that was a big part of

522
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Speaker 1: that interaction. That makes sense. I will say glasses because

523
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Speaker 1: they do become part of one's identity. It's a very

524
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Speaker 1: difficult thing to switch up. I know. I even find

525
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Speaker 1: with sunglasses, I'm like, I get like, I don't want

526
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Speaker 1: to switch it up too much because I'm like, well,

527
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: people won't know who I am because those are my sunglasses.

528
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Speaker 1: But it's tough. It's tough. I'll play the next one.

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Speaker 8: Okay, I Sam and George, I love a pod. The

530
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 8: first one I want to say was a girl who

531
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Speaker 8: dragged my whole family around the Las Vegas strip to

532
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Speaker 8: see the meat dress and it was so worth it.

533
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Speaker 8: Thanks for putting me on.

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Speaker 12: So my question is as a lesbian.

535
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Speaker 13: When I realized I was a lesbian.

536
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Speaker 8: I figured I had no more use for men in

537
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Speaker 8: my life in any.

538
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Speaker 9: Sort of way.

539
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Speaker 8: But I'm kind of in the market for a gay guy.

540
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Speaker 8: BSF one do I really need one?

541
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Speaker 14: And two?

542
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Speaker 7: How do I get one?

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Speaker 1: Thanks by Wow, what a powerful call. We talked sort

544
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Speaker 1: of about the lesbian who goes to the gay guy

545
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Speaker 1: trips and like sort of is like I need gay

546
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Speaker 1: guys to like actually fucking lose my mind with. It's

547
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Speaker 1: the lesbian.

548
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Speaker 2: It's a specific kind of lesbian archetype, and I feel

549
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: comfortable theorizing about it because I know multiple of these

550
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: lesbians and it is it's sort of the equivalent of

551
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Speaker 2: a lesbian being like I was on the wrong body,

552
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: but only party wise, Like she's like I love women.

553
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not like a self hating lesbian, but

554
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: I just simply have the stamina of a gay guy

555
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 2: when it comes to drugs and alcohol and staying out late.

556
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Speaker 1: It's so I've become friends with a lesbian of this

557
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: ill Oh yes, I've met her, and she is so

558
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: to die for. And it's such a nice respite because

559
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: you get the like hard party, I'm being crazy, I'm

560
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: being fun, and you get like lesbian like groundedness completely

561
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's like every time I see her

562
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Speaker 1: at a party, I'm like, thank God, I can like

563
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Speaker 1: take a breath.

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00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: It's incredible to see her at a party after having

565
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: like fifteen interactions in a row that have felt like

566
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 2: everyone is like looking you up and down and trying

567
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: to like decide what they want from you. And then

568
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: suddenly you're having a genuine interaction with someone that's like

569
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: asking about your day. You're like, Oh, I didn't know

570
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: that was an option.

571
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Speaker 1: It's so nice. So I think you should get a

572
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: gay guy BFF or even just find sort of a

573
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: gay guy friend squad and hop into.

574
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hop into the friends squad and then hang

575
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: out with them, and then find the one you like most,

576
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: ask him to like a solo omakase even or you know,

577
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: just like a solo drink at a gay bar.

578
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Speaker 1: Yes, and I think it could be really huge.

579
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Speaker 2: And I also I really think friendships between lesbians and

580
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: gay guys are so important. Of course, some of my

581
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: most foundational and valuable friendships are with lesbians. And I

582
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 2: think that there needs to be more reaching across the aisle,

583
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Speaker 2: especially in an era where gay guys are getting more

584
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: and more isolated in their own groups because it's easier

585
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: than ever for them to meet.

586
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, very very insular. Yeah, it's nice to see you

587
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: know what fundamental differences are true? Yeah, and which ones

588
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: are not true and the.

589
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 2: Give and take of like having an alternative perspective on relationships,

590
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: on sex, on culture, on politics.

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Speaker 1: You know, it makes a difference. Folks, reach across the aisle.

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Speaker 9: Hey, gay guys, Lisaray from Seattle, I want to get

593
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Speaker 9: George's official on the record comment on Athena Dion and

594
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 9: her Greek representation this season on the group Pulse Rock Rites. Okay,

595
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 9: love you guys, by So.

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Speaker 1: My thoughts on Athena deon broadly speaking, because again this

597
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: will come out in a month or longer.

598
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just don't. I have no idea if

599
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 2: she's already been eliminated. I have no idea if she's

600
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: already won the whole season. And I got to say,

601
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: I'm imagining an answer to the second one is no.

602
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: But my thoughts on her are that I think.

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Speaker 8: She is.

604
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Speaker 2: Literally, in like a pageant type way, amazing representation of

605
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: Greek people because she is clearly, you know, very sweet

606
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: and professional and you know, wears her heart on her

607
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: sleeve and is not evil, and so I'm like, wow,

608
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 2: like she is this is in the most literal way

609
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: good representation where you're like, wow, great people are nice,

610
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: that's good. But I think my issue with her is

611
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Speaker 2: if you're gonna be Athena Deon, if you're gonna be

612
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: you know, Athena is the goddess of wisdom. There's so

613
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: much imagery that has you know, there's a you know,

614
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: there's the owl, there's the armor, there's a you know,

615
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: a sort of a toga thing you could do. I'm like,

616
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Speaker 2: if your thing is Greek goddess, really commit to Greek goddess,

617
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Speaker 2: like have it be in the same way that if

618
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Speaker 2: you were I don't know, let's say, if you were

619
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Speaker 2: oh god, oh God, what's like another trope tied to

620
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Speaker 2: an ethnicity that I am allowed to talk about, Like

621
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Yeah, Like if you were

622
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Speaker 2: French and you were Joan of Arc, sure go Joan

623
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Speaker 2: of Arc. If you were you know, Mexican, and you

624
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: are free to call it and that's your thing, do

625
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: the eyebrow, go free to call it. Like you're clearly

626
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: playing with your own ethnic background and doing this kind

627
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: of like this this kind of Greek thing. So like,

628
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: really go full toga, really go like big costume me

629
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: Like that's sort of what I'm or if you want

630
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: to go the opposite direction goes super elegant and draping toga.

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Speaker 1: That'd be nice.

632
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Speaker 2: And I'm sort of I'm like, you are halfway between

633
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: Greek goddess and super professional host of the Big Drag Brunch. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

634
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: which I know she's known for hosting, so that's maybe

635
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: exactly where she wants to be. I think she needs

636
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: to she needs to split. She's always splitting the difference

637
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Speaker 2: between host and goddess.

638
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a tough and it's a tough but I mean,

639
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: talk about a Demi god. Is that where you're a

640
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: half human? Oh my god, she's very Demi goddess.

641
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Speaker 2: She's a Demi goddess. I think that's the issue with her.

642
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: She's a Demi goddess because she's half host, half goddess.

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Speaker 2: And I think I know, yeah, I'm sorry to say,

644
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Speaker 2: but I think she has to get more in touch

645
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Speaker 2: with her goddess and leave the host identity behind because

646
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: a host is not a winner of drag race.

647
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Speaker 1: That is one of the toughest things. Is like, when

648
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Speaker 1: you're in a career and you're like, well, to start,

649
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: I need to be a host, I know, and then

650
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Speaker 1: she's like, now she's ascending to literally the TV heavens. Yeah,

651
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, you have to leave that part

652
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: of you behind, but it's so hard because it's so trained.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

654
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Speaker 2: But I think that she seems really lovely. I love

655
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: that her thing is being a Mikonos. I think the

656
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 2: Mikonos girls have such a difficult task because they are

657
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: dealing with the most annoying and rancid gay guys twenty

658
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 2: four to seven. Like, I know where she I know

659
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: the club where she hosts and Mikonos. It is so

660
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: expensive and overpriced. It is like it is evil gay

661
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: guys on vacation. Like to deal with those and maintain

662
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: your cool and host a show, Like, my heart goes

663
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 2: out to her.

664
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 7: Well.

665
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: I also wonder if when you are a Greek queen,

666
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: is it like in Greece hacked to be like I'm

667
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: doing Athena, I'm doinging the Goddesses, I'm doing well.

668
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: The thing is she's not performing for Greek people. She's

669
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: doing she's basically the equivalent of like going to you know,

670
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: like a revolutionary war re enactment and having people dress

671
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: this revolutionary war soldiers.

672
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: Like she is. She's performing Greek for non Greek it's

673
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: cruise ship.

674
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 2: It's cruise ship like it's like going to a Broadway

675
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: themed drag show and someone whos dresses Alpha ba and so.

676
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: Because otherwise she's based in La Florida, I think she's

677
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: not like he's not like from Greece. But I but

678
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: I really want to say that I support her and

679
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: I it's a joy to have her on my television.

680
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: And I'm excited to see what she does at All Stars. Okay,

681
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: next question, who do you who?

682
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Speaker 8: I'm a longtime listener, first time caller. My name is

683
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 8: Mollie and I'm calling because my childhood bestie Ray. Shout

684
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 8: out Ray, who is a huge fan, longtime Glimmer girl.

685
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 7: I have.

686
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 8: Actually we went to see Guys Live Together in Summerville.

687
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 8: Loved it. She's getting lesbian married soon and we're having

688
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 8: her bachelorette party.

689
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 14: Coming up in like a week or so.

690
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 8: I scoured all your episodes and I didn't see like

691
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 8: bachelorette bachelor party as a straight topic. So if I

692
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 8: missed it, I'm sorry, but to me, it feels so straight. However,

693
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 8: at this batch, both brides will be going together and

694
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 8: everyone there is basically a lesbian beside me and we're

695
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 8: even but like we're also doing one of the straightest

696
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 8: things one can even do, aka a PowerPoint party. And

697
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 8: I say this as a consultant, but like our bachelorette

698
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 8: parties still the straightest thing one can do. Have we

699
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 8: gone full circle? Are they so straight in the past

700
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 8: and now they're kind of camp and it's fun?

701
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: Again?

702
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 8: What's the verse? It's here? I'm just curious for your guys' thoughts.

703
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 8: Are if this was a topic that's come up and

704
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 8: I missed them, I'm so sorry, But yes, going to

705
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 8: a lesbian bachelora party in Miami. By the way, I'm

706
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 8: doing a bunch of really traditional hetero in my opinion,

707
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 8: gotch things. So just thinking about it.

708
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 15: Okay, I love you all.

709
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 8: Hope everything's going well.

710
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 6: Bye.

711
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: By the way, I just want to say, like, when

712
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 2: I think of the STRAIGHTI Lab listener, it is a

713
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: straight woman who works in consulting, who's friends with all

714
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: lesbians and going to a lesbian bacherette party and then

715
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: is over analyzing despite the fact that she's the only

716
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: non lesbian, she's the one over analyzing.

717
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: How heteronormative. That's amazing.

718
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: I'm like, I could cry thinking about the fact that, like,

719
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: she can get entertainment from us talking, like, can you

720
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: imagine how difficult it is to find something she likes

721
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: in the pop culture landscape?

722
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, those interests insane.

723
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: It makes me so happy that, like, we have found

724
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: the people that we are meant to be talking to,

725
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: and it's.

726
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: Her doing an amazing job. So we have never discussed

727
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: bachelor or bachelorette parties, is that true?

728
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: We have had an episode with Natalie Ryder Lateman about

729
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: Penis Straws.

730
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: Her topic was Penis Straws.

731
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 2: I must admit it was years ago, and I don't

732
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: remember how much we really got into the meat of

733
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: the topic, but I imagine that since the topic was

734
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: Penis Straws, bacherette parties were mentioned, of course, But no,

735
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: we've never done an episode about bachelrette parties. Which it's funny.

736
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: It's one of those things, much like I don't know

737
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: various sports, like sports we haven't discussed that is so

738
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: obviously straight that it seems a bit on the nose.

739
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 2: But I would be down to have like a real

740
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: town hall about the state of bachelorette parties.

741
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:45,240
Speaker 1: I find it so complicated because you know, sometimes I'm worried.

742
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: I'm literally ann Lee where I'm like.

743
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: You have a syndrome and you syndrome where the patient

744
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: thinks that he's ann Lee.

745
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: Where I'm literally like, well, don't celebrate that. Like I'm

746
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: sort of like like I get like weirdly like superfluous

747
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: celebrations and I'm like, well that is not like it's

748
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: sort of my like want to suffer or I'm like

749
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: that is nothing to celebrate until you've earned it.

750
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: Well, we both have this in common. It's like how

751
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: we it's like how we're uncomfortable with birthdays because we're

752
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: like I haven't earned this.

753
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I'm like, uh, I'm really surprised when

754
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus people do a bachelor or a bachelorette party. Yeah,

755
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: because I'm like, like, in the straight narrative, it makes

756
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: sense to me because you are like in theory, by

757
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: default we're monogamous. This is like our last wild night

758
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: as single people, and then we are like locked up

759
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: my pathetic cock because in a cage. And this is

760
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: not like for gay people. It's so like everything is

761
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: a conversation, like we can be having new partners, you know,

762
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: two years from now or ten years from now, we're

763
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: just sort of like building our own relationship structure at

764
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: all points. And I'm sort of like, so why keep

765
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: this one traditional thing? I know, and I get partying

766
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: that's fun, but I'm like, but I don't need a

767
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: reason necessarily.

768
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 7: I know.

769
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: It makes me think if there's a way to rebrand

770
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: bachelor rett parties as like, I don't know, in the

771
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: same way that you would rebrand like a funeral as

772
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 2: a celebration of life or something like, if there's a

773
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: way to rebrand it where it's not about chastity and

774
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: it's not about your last chance to see boobs or

775
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: your last chance to see a cock, like if it's

776
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: just like friendship. Yes, And I think people do that

777
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: with when people have joint bachelor parties, like a couple

778
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: has joint bachelor party or or joint bachel rett party.

779
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: I think that is a step towards that where it's

780
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: like more of a celebration of community than a celebration

781
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: of uh, you know, chastity.

782
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: But that to me is the wedding. I know it's tough.

783
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: I think that what happens is because of the wedding

784
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: industrial complex, people try to fit in as much around

785
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: the wedding as possible, whereas I actually think what we

786
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: need more of is anniversary traditions. Yes, like it would

787
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: be so fun if there was a specific five year

788
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: anniversary party or a specific ten year anniversary thing, or

789
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: even like one year after a thing where you get

790
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: a bunch of friends together and get dinner. I'm trying

791
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: to think, like, I just think there's a way to

792
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: decouple all the wedding events, and that way you're also

793
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: not spending so much money all in the span of

794
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 2: like a couple of months. You're not asking everyone to

795
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 2: do all these.

796
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: Favors for you, because then by the time it's the wedding,

797
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: everyone's like sick of your shit.

798
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: No, well, this is my big thing with bachelor and

799
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: bacherette parties, And of course this is not about anyone

800
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 2: I know that has had them. And it's been a

801
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 2: joy to attend everyone that I have attended, But I

802
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: would feel so guilty asking people to do something for me.

803
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they also come from a time like like

804
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: when people would like get married earlier, so it was

805
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: like in theory, I think you're like even if they're

806
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: like college, like you met your partner in college. Yeah,

807
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: and it's like two years out of college. So then

808
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: all your friends get together again and it's like you

809
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: all kind of live in the same place still. I

810
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: think there's like but when everyone's like fully spread out

811
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: across the country, no one's in the same place. To

812
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: travel twice in one year for a friend, I'm like,

813
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: this is crazy to me.

814
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: You know what's funny? Actually, am I a grum? No,

815
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: You're not a grump. And this is what I'll say

816
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: about it. I and I mean this. I mean this genuinely.

817
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: I have never.

818
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: Not I have never begrudgingly attended a bachel rep party,

819
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 2: and personally speaking as a guest, I'm always like excited

820
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 2: that I get to take a trip. However, if I

821
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: were to do one, my guilt that someone is begrudgingly

822
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: attending would be so great that I could not enjoy myself.

823
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: It is much more self inflicted than like speaking from

824
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: my own experience as an attendee, you know what I mean, Like,

825
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: I don't I can't think or a bachelor party I've

826
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: been to where I've been Like, I can't believe this

827
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: bitch is making me do this, Like I have to

828
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: take off of work usually it's actually like a nice break.

829
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 2: But again, if I did it, I would be I

830
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: would be legitimately constantly apologizing in a way that would

831
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: annoy everyone. I'd be like and thank you. I know

832
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: that everyone has a lot to do and think you

833
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 2: so much for being here, and oh no, of course

834
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: I'll just like put this bill like no need to pay,

835
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: and then I would just make things awkward for everyone.

836
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm very like I'm just gonna go by myself,

837
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: Like I'm going to go to the beach and like

838
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: read a book and you guys have fun. Or combine it.

839
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: For example, let's say you're already going to a gate

840
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: like a Peetown trip and you have it every year.

841
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: Let's say it's the year that you're getting married, do

842
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: a big dinner and that's the bachelor dinner.

843
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 7: Yeah.

844
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: Or let's say you know you are going to a

845
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: music festival, make that the bachelor party. Like take something

846
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: that's already celebratory and just like put a little sash on,

847
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: have a nice time, because.

848
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: That does make a difference. Yeah, with this col in particular,

849
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: I do hope. I don't know how much lesbians like

850
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: fetishi is straight culture. Yeah, because I do know how

851
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: much gay guys do, and I like could think it's

852
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: funny for gay guys to like, uh, you know, go

853
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: golfing or something like something like really straight guy. I

854
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: could see how that would be sort of erotically charged

855
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: even yeah, fun But I don't know if that's what

856
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: this lesbian is getting over. I don't know if that's

857
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,919
Speaker 1: what this lesbian is doing.

858
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: But I do think lesbians fetishi is straight culture, not

859
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: in fetishi is the wrong word.

860
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: I don't think it's erotic for them.

861
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: I think it is like funny in camp, like I

862
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: could imagine I can imagine lesbians, I know, being like

863
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: how funny would it be to literally have a penis

864
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: straw at my bachelor red party? Sure, and to like

865
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: have a sash that says bride and like pinterest font.

866
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: And to answer the question.

867
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: About whether bachel of red parties are still straight or

868
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: if they're camp.

869
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: They're still straight.

870
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still like they're obviously camp viewed from a distance.

871
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: But like I hate to say this, like when you

872
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: see a group of you know, blonde women that are

873
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: at a batch red party, they are evil, Like there's

874
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: something in their eyes. They are out for blood.

875
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: It's scary.

876
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: It's scary, and it's honestly scarier than men at a

877
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: bachelor party.

878
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: I agree.

879
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: Like a group of lightly drunk women in a limo

880
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: that are going from one event to another in Nashville,

881
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 2: they will murder you. And it's very rare that women

882
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: are more evil than men.

883
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: They're never find your They are organized, by the way,

884
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: because one of them, it's like Rebecca and she's the

885
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: one with a spreadshoot and she's like, okay, so we

886
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: did murder someone. Here's step one and she is like,

887
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: just cut up the arms and legs. The ravine is

888
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: on the way to the club, so we can just

889
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: drop it in the water, just drop it off.

890
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the limo drivers right there, but all of them

891
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: are like, he's not gonna say anything, right, No. I

892
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: think that it's really scary what happens. It's really scary

893
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: what happens psychically, and it's also it makes you think

894
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: what if women were able to channel that into like

895
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: maybe assassinating a political figure.

896
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: Well, we need more female assassins. I've always said it's true,

897
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: Just don't assassinate Amanda Seafree.

898
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: No stick to like evil guys. I don't kill Bill mode,

899
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 2: although I have to say she was not a girl's girl.

900
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: She assassinated all her female friends as well.

901
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: Do you know she's an equal opportunity offender. That's right,

902
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: kill Bill. Beatrice Kiddo was the first equal opportunity of bender.

903
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 6: So what's going on with George's hair? Did he hair

904
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 6: transplant or has he just been doing ball? Guys still

905
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 6: in Valor for like all this time? We need to

906
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 6: know nobody.

907
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: Okay, I love this.

908
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 2: I just want to say I did not get a

909
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,879
Speaker 2: hair transplant, but I have absolute no judgment to those

910
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: who do. Some of my best friends legitimately have gotten

911
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: them in the recent past.

912
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: And actually someone I know and I won't.

913
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: Say who went to Greece to get one recently, which

914
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: I didn't even know it was discounted in Greece.

915
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: I had heard of Turkey, but I never heard, of

916
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: course a new Turkey. And I've even heard South Korea.

917
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. What about North Korea? I've also now

918
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 2: heard through no, through someone else who I'm not gonna mention,

919
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 2: there is a person in La that three people you

920
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 2: know have gone to really yes, wow, two of them

921
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: have been on this podcast. What yeah, I love that.

922
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: I first of all, I love you being accused of this.

923
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: I also think it does speak to the like normalizing

924
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: of it.

925
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: I think it used to be such a weird, crazy thing,

926
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: and now it's like people, everyone I know is a

927
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: hair transplant influencer. I love that it's normalized. Yeah, me too,

928
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: It's cool.

929
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: I think I worry sometimes about some of the results

930
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: that I'm seeing. Really, there are some hairlines. I think

931
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 2: people are getting a little too confident and being like,

932
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 2: what if the hairline is like an inch from my eyebrow,

933
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: it has to still look normal.

934
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: Stick to the rivers and the lakes that you're used to.

935
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: That's correct.

936
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 2: So I did not get a hair transplant, and I would,

937
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 2: you know, I would assume that would be obvious based

938
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: on the fact that it has happened gradually. It's sort

939
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: of not all at once. But yeah, I just sort of.

940
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: And by the way, I was never stealing bald valor

941
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: because I was never bald.

942
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 1: It was I had a busk. I was a buzz

943
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: cut and you could see the hair on top. It

944
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: was just buzzed. It is interesting. I think maybe you're underestimating,

945
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: like the way it was short like the way it

946
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: was buzzed. It did look like maybe it's like a

947
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: balding thing, and you're just like getting ahead of it.

948
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: I must say one thing, which is that already I

949
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: look at photos of myself from the last eight years

950
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I can't believe I looked like that

951
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 2: for eight years.

952
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: I feel so much.

953
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 2: I actually think I look so much better with long hair,

954
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: and it it's crazy that, for whatever reason I decided

955
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 2: for eight year it was it was like inertia. It

956
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 2: was just kind of like, Okay, well, this is what

957
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: I do. This is what I asked for. When I

958
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 2: get a haircut. It seems like such a more deal

959
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: to grow it out, and I'm like, why the fuck

960
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: was I doing that? I mean, it looked good for

961
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: the records, well, I think day to day I felt

962
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 2: like I looked fine. But even now, I mean, I'm

963
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 2: forced to constantly watch clips of myself because I'm promoting

964
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: the special, and I'm like, that looks bad, Like I

965
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: should have hair.

966
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't seeing your hair now. It was

967
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: an interesting choice. I knew you had hair, but I

968
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: was like, but maybe, like I was like, because you

969
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: would describe it like Oh, you know it's so difficult

970
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: because it's thick. Yeah, and now I'm seeing it, I'm like,

971
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: it's not that difficult. It's literally like it's normal hair.

972
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 4: I know.

973
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: I think.

974
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: I think what it was is the last time I

975
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: really had longer hair, I was younger and more insecure

976
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: in general, and every little thing that was imperfect, I

977
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 2: was like, oh, well I look bad, Like this looks bad.

978
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: I need to fixure out the right haircut.

979
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 2: And now I'm kind of like, I'm aware that it's

980
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: sort of uneven and I I don't have product in it,

981
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: and I don't I don't care.

982
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no one is no one.

983
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 2: Notices, I mean, and it's more affordable. By the way,

984
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: I was getting haircuts every two weeks.

985
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: Oh, and I know you weren't going cheap. I've had

986
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: this happen before, where someone who like is ball presenting

987
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: like suddenly just grows their hair out, and it does

988
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: freak me out, Like I get why people are like, wait.

989
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: What it's also I have to say, uh, it is,

990
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: hair in general is something that like makes people excited,

991
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 2: like I've never gotten Every single time I post anything,

992
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: I get fifteen dms that are like okay.

993
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: Hair, hair, Okay, hair, what's going on with your hair?

994
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: Hair looks?

995
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: Hair looks fab hair looks amazing, by the way, And

996
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: I think the same thing would happen if I were

997
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 2: to go the other way, right, if if you were

998
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 2: to buzz your head, people be like, Okay, love the buzz.

999
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: Interesting.

1000
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: It's like, because you know what it is, I'm having

1001
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: this realization. It's one of the few appearance based things

1002
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: that is more neutral.

1003
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: We're still allowed to comment on.

1004
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,479
Speaker 2: Literally, you can't talk about someone losing or gaining weight.

1005
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: You can't talk about someone getting plastic surgery, you can't

1006
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: talk about like. It really is one of the very

1007
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: very few things that is safe.

1008
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, if only we could get taller and shorter, then

1009
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: we could.

1010
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: Talk about now well scream materialists.

1011
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 12: Wow, Okay, Okay, So I already sent another one, but

1012
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 12: I stuttered.

1013
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 15: And I hung up.

1014
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 8: But I don't know if you actually got it. And

1015
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 8: I'm scared, but I'm gonna ask the same question.

1016
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 12: So today, it's going to be in a lot of

1017
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 12: movies this year, and a lot of people are already

1018
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 12: predicting that there's going to be discourse asking why she's

1019
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 12: in every movie. Is there any conversation that's already happened

1020
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 12: in the past that you see making a comeback this year.

1021
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: Sorry, a lot of people, a lot of people are

1022
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: predicting there is gonna be this of course about Zenda

1023
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: being in too many movies is one of the most

1024
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: amazing gig Guy sentences I've heard in my life. It's

1025
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: like I'm monitoring the situation and the markets are saying

1026
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 1: that there is going to be discourse. I repeat, there's

1027
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: gonna be discourse about Zendia being in too many movies.

1028
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: It's also Trump, It's gig Guy Trump. It's a lot

1029
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: of people are saying there's gonna be a lot of

1030
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: particularly so amazing to confidently be like a lot of people.

1031
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: Just I want everyone to be prepared. A lot of

1032
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: people are saying.

1033
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: There's gonna be discourse about Zendia being into many movies.

1034
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: That aside, what discourse do you think is gonna make

1035
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: a comeback?

1036
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: I mean it's all dark sure, Like discourse is never fun. Yeah,

1037
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give a playful discourse.

1038
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: Right well, I mean one of the big ones that's

1039
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: making a comeback is like, is racism good or bad?

1040
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: One of the big ones that's coming back is like

1041
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: not seeing enough people posting about this, oh church in

1042
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: a way where I'm like, I cannot believe we're doing

1043
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: that again. I know, like evening like like I saw

1044
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: a tweet. This is kind of informed by a tweet.

1045
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: But somebody was like shared like a Billie Eilish thing

1046
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: where she's like looking to my other celebrities, why aren't

1047
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: people posting? And somebody was like, it's such an American

1048
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: concept for people wanting celebrities specifically to like post, yeah,

1049
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: because it's like it obviously, this is like a very

1050
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 1: important time and we need to be making our voices heard.

1051
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: But there's more ways to make your voice heard than

1052
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: just posting to stories and and so it's like such

1053
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: a funny like they didn't post the stories, they don't care. Yeah,

1054
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: And it's like we went through this already and it

1055
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: was so clearly the wrong way of thinking completely, and

1056
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: I think we learned that I thought we did. And

1057
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: it's so back. It's so back.

1058
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 4: You know.

1059
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: What's related to that is critiquing wearing a pin to

1060
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: an award show. Yeah, and I think being like, well

1061
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 2: a pin means nothing, or posting a you know, a

1062
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 2: block of tech or something means nothing. It's like, yes,

1063
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: it is a show of solidarity. It's like having a

1064
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 2: bumper sticker. Like, no one is arguing that a pin

1065
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: is going to make material change. Yeah, in fact, you're

1066
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: the dumb one for assuming that's what they thought they

1067
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: were doing.

1068
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: Like if a celebrity.

1069
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 2: Is wearing a ice outpin at sun Dance, that is

1070
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: just a small gesture they are doing to show that

1071
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 2: they care, and that's it. It is not worthy of critique. Well,

1072
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: it's sort of.

1073
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: Like both of the It's like the conversation around like

1074
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: corporate pride, which I do think has like very much

1075
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: died down. And part of that is obviously because corporations

1076
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: were like, Okay, we're gonna stop like fashion stems back,

1077
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: We're not doing pride anymore. And so now it's like

1078
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: this whole thing of like now I wonder if the

1079
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: discourse that will come back as being like we need

1080
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: corporations to support pride again, which is like it is

1081
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like both sides of

1082
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: that critique are stupid and I don't know what is right.

1083
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I in terms of discord is coming back. I

1084
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: also want to say I have done something really shocking recently,

1085
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: which is that I join Threads. I'm not posting on

1086
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: it or using it really, but what happens is, when

1087
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: you're scrolling on Instagram, you'll get a suggested one and

1088
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: curiosity will get me, and then I'll click on it,

1089
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: and then it'll take me to the threads homepage.

1090
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: Curiosity has almost gotten me, and.

1091
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: Then I'll scroll for maybe two minutes, and the things

1092
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 2: that are happening in threads are shocking. I don't know

1093
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: how to even express what I'm seeing. It is like

1094
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 2: a bacchanall of sort of it's like cancel culture drag.

1095
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 2: It's like no one's heart is in it, but every

1096
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: single hour they are canceling a new person.

1097
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: It is so weird.

1098
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: And of course, you know, it's kind of like fifty

1099
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: to fifty, like fifty percent of the time. I'm like, oh, sure,

1100
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 2: this person sucks fifty percent of the time. It's like

1101
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: completely random, but the tone is the same, and it's

1102
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: almost like people are ravenous for that kind of like

1103
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: gladiator like environment.

1104
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, it was like a brain exercise, like it

1105
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: was like fun to sort of examine why or why

1106
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: not someone should be canceled. It's like freelance lawyering completely.

1107
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I can like look at this thing

1108
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: they posted in twenty seventeen, but then look at what

1109
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: they didn't say this. Yeah, and it's like so confirmed

1110
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: case they are bad.

1111
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: There's also I don't know how people don't get that

1112
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: they're coming across even if they are in the right morally,

1113
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: the act of like making a three minute video explaining

1114
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: why someone is bad, you are engaging in the logics

1115
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 2: of social media that are ruining the world. Like you are.

1116
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: You are like occupying this like real housewife in a

1117
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: confessional tone that is quite simply not how anything will

1118
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 2: be solved. It's definitionally it's not how anything will be solved.

1119
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 2: Like you are succumbing to the kind of behavior that

1120
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 2: the algorithm wants you just to come to. You think

1121
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 2: you're being the good one. Yeah, and it like is

1122
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 2: enough to make me like there was people were coming

1123
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,959
Speaker 2: for Whitney Cummings because she said something about miss Rachel.

1124
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: That sort of goes to show you where we are

1125
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: time wise right now. And to be fair, Whitney Comings

1126
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: is kind off the deep end.

1127
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: No, no, completely, but that's the thing is like, we know

1128
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: she's off the deep end. Okay, she has been off

1129
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: the deep end for years. It is concerning. Yeah, However,

1130
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 2: what happens is she'll say something and then people are like, oh, perfect,

1131
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 2: this is an amazing entryway for me to actually do

1132
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 2: my big monologue about how Whitney Comings is off the

1133
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: deep end. But then then you're doing your three minute

1134
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,959
Speaker 2: monologue and you sound like a crazy person, yeah, because

1135
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 2: you sound like you're hearing voices.

1136
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: And then she shares it and is like, actually, that's

1137
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: not what I meant, and you're like, she's like bolstering

1138
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 1: her fan base. It's just all like you're all playing

1139
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: into the game completely.

1140
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 2: You can be the good one, but you have to

1141
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 2: recognize yours all the good one within a reality show

1142
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: that is produced by Lucifer.

1143
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: His name is Mark Zuckerberg. So that was amazing. But

1144
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: for the record, post post post everybody, For the record,

1145
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 1: post post posts. Please share our reels. Never stop posting.

1146
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: Repost our tour dates, yes, yes, comment, Oh my.

1147
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 2: God, please like in comment engagement Yeah, let's wait. We

1148
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 2: need to get her engagement. Seriously, you guys.

1149
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: Comment. That's why George is going out his hair to

1150
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: get engagement up.

1151
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 11: George Patrick in Deluth, Minnesota, got a wedding related question.

1152
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 14: If you feel like you haven't that too much. My

1153
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 14: boyfriend and I.

1154
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: Have his voice, I have a.

1155
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 11: Boner recently and buy a house together. So most people assume,

1156
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 11: or a lot of people assume that wedding is next,

1157
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 11: or even a lot of people. We are already married

1158
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 11: and we're not in a huge hurry. But honestly, when

1159
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 11: I think about the idea of marriage, getting married, being married,

1160
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 11: one of the more exciting ideas is the possibility of,

1161
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 11: you know, incorporating some fasteful jewelry into our respective looks

1162
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,479
Speaker 11: ie wedding band. So I was wondering how you two

1163
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 11: have navigated that in your respective mary lives, because obviously

1164
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 11: a wedding band traditionally a symbol of a woman being married,

1165
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 11: and it.

1166
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 14: Seems like.

1167
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 11: Traditional wedding bands are different for men and women, but

1168
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 11: for gay guys.

1169
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: Or is that the end of the call? Oh, I

1170
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: think that's the end of the call. Huh, Well, maybe

1171
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: he got cut off.

1172
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 2: But first of all, shout out to Duluth, Minnesota, and

1173
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: shout out to Minnesota in general.

1174
00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: That's all same. Yeah, yeah, shout out to Minneapolis.

1175
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: Of course maybe yeah, what about that? Okay, So basically,

1176
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 2: what is our relationship to our wedding bands? So I

1177
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: agree that it is like one of the more appealing

1178
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: parts of marriage.

1179
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: I love it. It's like one of the It's like,

1180
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: first of all, inherently hot. It implies that you're married.

1181
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 2: It implies that you're married. That's something people don't tell

1182
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: you about wedding bands.

1183
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: And when you are a man wearing one, it sort

1184
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: of implies you're straight. Yeah, so it's sort of like,

1185
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,959
Speaker 1: who's the straight guy touching me? It's so.

1186
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: Like, I can't describe how much I love wearing a

1187
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 2: wedding band. It has like changed my entire swagger, especially

1188
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 2: like at the gym, taking it on and off and

1189
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: putting it in my locker. I know you're someone who lifts,

1190
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: but like I, I worry about scratching it.

1191
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: So I'll take it off.

1192
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 2: And then I'll put it back on in the locker room,

1193
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: and I'll see people being like, oh, what's going on there?

1194
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: I thought he was pretty queenie in the in the

1195
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: weight room.

1196
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: This whole time he's married to a woman.

1197
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 2: This whole time, he's ready to a woman. Her name

1198
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 2: is Amber and they live in Duluth, Minnesota.

1199
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: I love this. I just to have to go back.

1200
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: I love the gay guys live in Duluth.

1201
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: Oh my god, It's It's the biggest dream I can imagine.

1202
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 1: I have, Like my cousins and aunt and uncle live

1203
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: in a suburb of Minneapolis, and one of them went

1204
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: to college in Duluth. And I was always like Duluth

1205
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: and what's going on there? And I've of course never been,

1206
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: but I'm like to hear the gay guys live there. Yeah,

1207
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to go on a vacation there.

1208
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: We should go to Duluth. We need to do a

1209
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 2: mini tour of just different venues in Duluth.

1210
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: I absolutely need that. And the way that I want

1211
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: to draw this man, send us a photo of what

1212
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: you look like.

1213
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to address I went thin with my

1214
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: wedding band. You went thick, and I think each of

1215
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 2: them suits us, and there's no neither is better. I

1216
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 2: just think like you were meant to go thick and

1217
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: I was meant to go thin.

1218
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: Well, and to be fair, I mean you probably put

1219
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: more thought into it. I sort of like try it

1220
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: on like two and like, sure me too. Yeah, And

1221
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I I almost, I mean, I don't

1222
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: think I would make a different decision if I thought

1223
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: about it more, But I wish I had thought about

1224
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: it more so I could say like I thought for

1225
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: weeks about what the right size is. No, I thought.

1226
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 2: To be honest, I almost I would say I regret

1227
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: my decision, but I'm the more time past, the more

1228
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe I should have gone thicker. My thing

1229
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: was like this is so gig guy insecurity. I was

1230
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 2: sort of like, if I go too thick, it'll be

1231
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: like I'm being no homo, It'll be like I meaning

1232
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: like I'm getting married, but I'm masculine. Yeah, and so

1233
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: I have to embrace my femininity and just like be

1234
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: comfortable going like almost like women's thickness. Yeah, but I

1235
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 2: do think there's some there is more gravitazed with a

1236
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:59,919
Speaker 2: thicker band. I will say say it, I don't love

1237
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 2: non traditional wedding bands.

1238
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do it, get a traditional tradition, you're

1239
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: gonna regret it. If you get a funky one, don't

1240
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: get a steampunk one. Don't get us, don't get like,

1241
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: don't I'm sorry. The thing that's tough about talking about this. Yeah,

1242
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: it's sort of the glasses conversation all over again. There's

1243
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: so many people that just do have these of course,

1244
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: and they're listening and they're like, what the fuck, and

1245
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: they're like, I'm committed to this for essentially my life, cletely.

1246
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: And also they're we're doing the thing where they're overhearing

1247
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 2: a conversation. Yeah, and they're like, oh, that means even

1248
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: more than someone telling me to my face.

1249
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: So I'm actually trying to be respectful. But at the

1250
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: same time, if you're starting new, first of all, whatever

1251
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: decision you made is right for you in your family exactly.

1252
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,440
Speaker 1: But if you're starting new, I would say go traditional.

1253
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: I think you will not regret it up there in Duluth. Yeah,

1254
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: I agree.

1255
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 2: That would be my That would be my suggestion if

1256
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: you are a gay guy with a really hot voice

1257
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 2: that lives in Duluth.

1258
01:01:52,160 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: Okay, put us on the close friends.

1259
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 11: Since I'm in George.

1260
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 7: I'm wondering what you think stand up can teach other

1261
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 7: art mediums and what can other art mediums teach stand up?

1262
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: Thanks by Okay, I actually have an answrop the top

1263
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: of my head for this. Something I really like about

1264
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 2: stand up is that there's no such thing as legitimate

1265
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: stand up and outsider art. Stand up, like any any

1266
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 2: stand up you see counts as stand up basically just

1267
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 2: as much. Yeah, Whereas if you are a painter, you

1268
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 2: sort of have to be like represented by a gallery

1269
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 2: and showing at at shows that are covered by the

1270
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 2: art press to be like, Okay, well that's the art world.

1271
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 2: And then there's outsider art, which is a different thing,

1272
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,479
Speaker 2: and it's like maybe like more punk rock and more

1273
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 2: you know, you have to like really look to find it,

1274
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 2: and there's like a difference. And I think kind of

1275
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 2: same with theater, where there's like there's theater that's in

1276
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: major theaters, and then there's like, you know, someone doing

1277
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: like an underground thing at like an events space and

1278
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: their you know cousin does the lighting or whatever. There's

1279
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: something about stand up where even if you're at an

1280
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 2: open mic in a bar in Queens, that legitimately just

1281
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: is stand up.

1282
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that there's like egalitarian ethos.

1283
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that the people that are successful

1284
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 2: don't suddenly make like a shit ton of money and

1285
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 2: there's like inequality and stuff, but like there is something

1286
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: I think also the lack of training goes into this,

1287
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: like there's no such thing as like.

1288
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: An MFA and stand up, Yeah that's cool.

1289
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 2: And so I think the kind of anything goes ethos

1290
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: I think could be useful in.

1291
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: Other art forms. I like that anything goes ethos. I

1292
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: like the but I think other mediums could learn is

1293
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: the sort of like work in progressness of stand up,

1294
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: where it's like any night you can be like and

1295
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to try like these two things and see

1296
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: if there's anything there, like trying things in front of people.

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Speaker 1: And I know you can't like paint in front of people,

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Speaker 1: but I do think there's something so freeing about the

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Speaker 1: immediate knowing if it's like expressing the way you thought

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Speaker 1: it would in your mind. And that's my favorite part.

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Speaker 1: And I wish that other mediums could experience that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I also think engaging with your audience

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01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: in a more direct way is an exciting part of

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01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: stand up that I don't know necessarily if I want

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Speaker 2: every art forum to adopt, because I think it's kind

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Speaker 2: of nice to have more timeless art that isn't like

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Speaker 2: directly engaging with only the points of view of people

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Speaker 2: present in one room. Yeah, in terms of things stand

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Speaker 2: up can learn from other art forms.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of the opposite for me, where it's

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Speaker 1: like edit, edit, and even like presenting like a finished product.

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Speaker 1: I really do with that myself, because it's always so

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Speaker 1: working for everything is like, well I could switch this,

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Speaker 1: and I could switch this and that. Who knows, in

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Speaker 1: two years maybe I'll have something for that. And I

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Speaker 1: really respect that other art forms go away. They're like

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Speaker 1: I'm working on this idea for two years and then

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Speaker 1: I'm putting it out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and now it's the big launch we're having, like

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01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 2: the opening there's like little glasses of champagne. This is

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Speaker 2: the body of work that I have been working on

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Speaker 2: for the last like nine to eighteen months.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing is like sort of ignoring almost

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Speaker 1: audience reactions sometimes and being like it's more important that

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Speaker 1: I'm expressing myself than that I'm getting a bigger audience,

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Speaker 1: whereas like stand up, it's so not that. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I think that's true, and you can see it when

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Speaker 1: people get addicted only to audience reactions, they like forget

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Speaker 1: who they are.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I want to say something about stand up that

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Speaker 2: I like is unless you're like, you know, taping a

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Speaker 2: special or something. Usually you're not the only person on

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Speaker 2: a lineup. Even if you are touring by yourself, you'll

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Speaker 2: have an opener or or there'll be like in a

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Speaker 2: comedy club, there'll be like a host and then an

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Speaker 2: opener and then you and then of course in most

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01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 2: stand up shows, if you're not like a big celeb,

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Speaker 2: it's like a lineup that's anywhere between like four to

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Speaker 2: seven people. And there is a communal element that I think,

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Speaker 2: especially other writers don't have. Yeah, Like, it's so many

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Speaker 2: other forms of art are very isolating because you're like

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Speaker 2: by yourself creating. You have no feedback, you have no

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Speaker 2: one backstage being like that bit was really good? What

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Speaker 2: if you added that at the end. Yeah, so that's

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Speaker 2: kind of nice.

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Speaker 1: No, that is nice.

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Speaker 16: Hey boys, it's Kevin from San Diego. First, I just

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Speaker 16: want to say that you guys are looking especially hot recently. Congratulations.

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Speaker 17: I was hoping that you would weigh in on a

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01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 17: prompt I was disgusting with my boyfriend, which is how

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Speaker 17: do we order forms of protest on the spectrum of

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Speaker 17: straight to gay.

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Speaker 7: We decided that signs on a highway overpass are straight

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01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 7: donations to the ACL. You are a gay guy and

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Speaker 7: rest as an act of resistance? Is NB demisexual?

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Speaker 3: What was.

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Speaker 1: Damn ist of their ass? Shout out?

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Speaker 2: Interestingly, I actually think this hot voice is more George

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Speaker 2: coded and the dluthe hot voice is more Stam coded.

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Speaker 1: Well, of course this hot voice is funny because it's

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite types of gay guy, which is

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Speaker 1: like exasperated already and like I'm so tired of what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: No, it's also just like sorry, my brain is going

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01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: on my limited because I'm so smart, and like I

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01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 2: could explain further, but you probably wouldn't get it. But

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Speaker 2: this is like kind of the basic level of what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, and like you know, obviously there's like a

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Speaker 2: lot more.

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Speaker 1: Going on up there.

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Speaker 2: And the reason why I wasn't able to finish grad

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Speaker 2: school because I thought too much. Okay, so I have this.

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Speaker 2: I made a little list on my uber on the

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Speaker 2: way here of different forms of protests and I want

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Speaker 2: to read it and we can.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what I have. This is in

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Speaker 1: no particular order.

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01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 2: Attending a rally or march, Community organizing domestic terrorism, radical

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Speaker 2: self care, posting an infographic, donating to a nonprofit, donating

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01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 2: to a GoFundMe, canvassing for a political candidate, reading a book,

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01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,839
Speaker 2: sharing a reading list, participating in a boycott, and finally

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01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 2: presenting an academic paper at a conference called Subaltern Body

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01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 2: of Subterranean Spaces. And so maybe we could Well that's

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Speaker 2: a giant list. I know we can't really, I don't

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01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: want to rank them, but maybe we go one by

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Speaker 2: one and just do like straight gay, or by.

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Speaker 1: One that jumped out to okay, yeah, let's go through.

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Speaker 2: The attending a rally or march to me that's straight

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01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 2: but not in a bad way, just like in a

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01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 2: like sixties, you know, like we're protesting the Vietnam War.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like your kid and it's like this

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01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: is fun and the kid is like dressed up as

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and it's very it's like family friendly.

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01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 1: It's wholesome.

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01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 2: It is it's also very much like it is our

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 2: right as Americans to protest. It's like it's a patriotic

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Speaker 2: duty to protest. It's a little it's a mini Fourth

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Speaker 2: of July. Yes, okay, community organizing gay gay it's communal.

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Speaker 1: It is like uh un non hierarchical. It's also like

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01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: first we're gonna all get together and like serve soup,

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01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:31,719
Speaker 1: then we go to the party.

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01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Okay, it's also so inclusive. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: domestic terrorism. This is a tough one because I think

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01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 2: on the one hand, you have like one battle after another,

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01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 2: Leo being so kind of like toxic guy.

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Speaker 1: But then I think domestic terrorism is straight. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think so too, because gay people like it's they're like

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01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: all talk. Gay people are like, I'm gonna blow that

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01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: building up, and then it's like, okay, like when do

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Speaker 1: you want want to do it? And they're like they're like,

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Speaker 1: I have dinner. Yeah, They're like my my gym membership

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Speaker 1: actually is like goes until the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: So I don't want to do it until that's over.

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Speaker 1: I get my money's work before I blow up the

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Speaker 1: big data center. I actually, yeah, I think I are

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01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: kind of willing to throw it all away in a

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01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 1: different way.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I also think what we're saying is like

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01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 2: morally neutral. But I also just simply think thinking about

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01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: things in a warlike way is straight.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 2: Okay, radical self care Okay, obviously that's gay.

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01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: Well, because gave me love this thing, which I love

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01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,799
Speaker 1: where they're like, well, I already came out of the closet,

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01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: Like do you know how hard it was for me

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Speaker 1: in high school? Completely? So now like when things are

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01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: really hard, like the most radical thing you can do

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01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 1: is like wash my face. Yes.

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Speaker 2: And also on the other side of things, of course,

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01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,640
Speaker 2: there's also the stereotype of like I'm sorry, but a

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01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 2: liberal white woman reading Audrey Lord and getting all the

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01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 2: wrong drawing all the wrong conclusions from it and being

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01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 2: like going to get a massage and then a pedicure

1434
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: and then a facial is basically like blowing up a

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Speaker 2: data center.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it can you know, it can be straight

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01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: in that way. That's true.

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Speaker 2: Posting an infographic this is tough. This is tough because

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01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 2: it's everyone. This is I'm trying to think who I

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01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: see do this more? I know in like the negative way,

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01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:21,759
Speaker 2: like who does it wrong?

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you who's not posting an infographic. Straight men.

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01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's mostly straight women and the LGBTQ plus straight

1444
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: men are posting infographics, but they're about like basketball stats.

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01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 2: They're like, can you believe this is the first guy

1446
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 2: to ever have this many blah blah blah in the

1447
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Speaker 2: in the off season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, I think the infographic doesn't like fit

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01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:46,400
Speaker 1: with their eyes in the same way.

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Speaker 2: There's something even though you would think an infographic, because

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Speaker 2: it's data based and numbers based, is more masculine, because

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01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,439
Speaker 2: you know, of course men can only understand things when

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01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: they're they're numbers. But I think what it is is

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01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 2: that infographics are always a little misleading.

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01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: They tell they tell a story.

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01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 2: They tell a story, so it's much more storytelling than

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01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 2: just bar chart. Yeah, so maybe it's straight woman.

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01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: Maybe it's straight woman, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, donating to a nonprofit versus I mean this is easy.

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Speaker 2: Donating to a nonprofit is straight? Go fund me is gay?

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01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: Yes? Yes. Canvassing for a political candidate that is straighter, yea.

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01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 2: I think that's straight in the way that attending a

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01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 2: rally or march is straight. I think it's still like

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01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 2: believes in the system, he believes this, which again good,

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01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 2: you should canvas for a progressive candidate you believe in,

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 2: but it is it is a respectable way to get involved. Yeah,

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01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: reading a book and and versus sharing a reading list, those.

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Speaker 1: Are sort of the two that were sharing a reading

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Speaker 1: list to me, is actually straighter. I agree, it's du

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Speaker 1: alipa completely and reading a book is exactly reading a

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Speaker 1: book without posting about it. That's like, that's like tender queer. Yeah,

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01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, it's like I'm actually, I really it's not performative,

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01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: and I really believe in this and I want to learn.

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01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 1: I just want to be better. I just want to

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Speaker 1: be better. I'm in grad school.

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Speaker 2: I'm like doing my book club, and I've also the

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Speaker 2: scary thing of I actually stilluzling on social media. Took

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01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 2: it to heart, and I'm now going to do the homework. Yeah, okay,

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01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 2: I'm almost done. Participating in a boycott.

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Speaker 1: This is interesting. Yeah, it's tough. So at the time

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Speaker 1: we're recording, there's uh, the boycott is supposed to be

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01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: on Friday, Oh the general strike general strike, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: which is different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess maybe we could add, like, yeah, maybe

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01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 2: we could add participating in a strike. Boycott is interesting

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01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 2: because it's like the implication is like put your money

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Speaker 2: where your mouth is. Boycott to me reminds me of like,

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01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:57,639
Speaker 2: for example, gay guys canceling their Equinox subscriptions because the

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01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: CEO is right wing. Also so it's you know, in

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01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 2: a more meaningful way, it's people participating in bds. It

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01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 2: is saying, like, I am making a choice that materially

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 2: impacts a company that is on the wrong side of.

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Speaker 1: Things boycotting at this point. The way that I mean

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01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 1: part of the issue with our world is the way

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01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: that it works is that like, all the corporations are

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01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 1: so gigantic that literally getting like let's say, five thousand

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01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: people to cancel their subscription does not affect them at all.

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01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 1: They literally won't notice. And so it is confusing because before, like,

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Speaker 1: a boycott is an amazing way. If you're like, this

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01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: factory in town produces a thing that's bad, we're all

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01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: gonna boycott it. Now, I'm like, so wait, we'd have

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01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: to get like a million people to cancel this for

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01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 1: them to notice at all. I know.

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Speaker 2: It's funny. One of the elements of the concentration of

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01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: wealth is that a boycott of a small business works

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01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 2: much better than the boycott of like, oh, large proporation.

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01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:01,839
Speaker 1: So, like, let's say there's.

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01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 2: A small coffee shop that is being accused of having

1509
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 2: bad labor practices, but it's owned by three people, and

1510
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 2: maybe one of them is evil, but like, ultimately they

1511
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 2: are doing their best that will be shut down by

1512
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: a boycott. Oh yeah, but then like Amazon will never

1513
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 2: be shut down by a boycott.

1514
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,559
Speaker 1: It's obviously And I'm sorry to be like cynical, but

1515
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 1: it's like this is it's such a it's why things

1516
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: are so bad, Like it's so hard to make an impact.

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01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: And I think it's good that people are trying, of course,

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,839
Speaker 1: but I'm sort of like, I don't do anything.

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01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 7: Well.

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01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 1: The other thing is when people are like, I'm sorry

1521
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: when people are like we're boycotting on Friday if not

1522
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: the strike. If people when there was like we're doing

1523
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: a boycott, yeah day, I'm like, well, who's buying that much?

1524
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: Every day? Like I personally like every day is a boycott,

1525
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: Like I shop so little. I'm sort of like, I'm

1526
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 1: not like it's it's literally no material sacrifice for me

1527
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: to boycott on a given day. Yeah. I did have

1528
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: a moment.

1529
01:15:56,680 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 2: I was like during the Starbucks strike when people were like,

1530
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 2: boycott Starbucks during the during the strike, I was I

1531
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: was like, well, that's a simple enough thing, and I

1532
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:10,439
Speaker 2: was like really taking it to heart. And then I

1533
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: was at the airport and there was like a giant

1534
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 2: line at Starbucks. I was like, did these people not

1535
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 2: read the news? But it also it was like I

1536
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 2: was just like right there in black and white. I

1537
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,000
Speaker 2: was like nothing, I'm doing mad, Like this is yeah,

1538
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 2: there was another shop right next to Starbucks, Like you

1539
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 2: could have just gone to that one.

1540
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: We live in a damn bubble. It also is like

1541
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: I thought it was so funny. I mean, this was

1542
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: like what two months ago when this was yeah, yeah,

1543
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: and we were I think we were on tour.

1544
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 2: I was on like I was traveling for work, and

1545
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 2: I was like it was always a struggle, not to

1546
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 2: you know martyr myself, but it was always a struggle

1547
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 2: at every airport is the only thing they have a

1548
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,759
Speaker 2: Starbucks to find like a non traditional coffee place.

1549
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was so funny people that like live

1550
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,719
Speaker 1: in La Yeah, like we're posting like their non Starbucks coffee.

1551
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like that all it's not that easy, y'all.

1552
01:17:01,960 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: Like we got to get out there and not buy Starbucks.

1553
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, you're living in a city and

1554
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: you're buying Starbucks, Like, I'm sorry, but Starbucks is for airport.

1555
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: Why did you buy that? Ever, I was like this

1556
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,799
Speaker 1: is like, you're actually revealing something deeper and more insidious,

1557
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,720
Speaker 1: which is you go to Starbucks when you live in

1558
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: your Starbucks drinking, reveal something evil and more sinister. What

1559
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 1: is the quote from nataman fall? Yeah, reveal something selfish? Selfish? Oh,

1560
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: I forget Oh exactly, we'll put the clip in here. No,

1561
01:17:31,640 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: I was.

1562
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 2: I had to really laugh at myself because as this

1563
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 2: was happening, I was like, well, this is impacting me

1564
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 2: more than anyone because I'm at airports. Like if I

1565
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 2: was at home, I would never be forced to make

1566
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 2: the choice.

1567
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: About George should have gotten extra points for boycotting harder.

1568
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 2: Extra Starbucks points. I'll send you my my user I

1569
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 2: d okay. And then last one sorry, last one is,

1570
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 2: of course, presenting an academic paper at a conference called

1571
01:17:57,200 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: Subaltern Body of Subterranean.

1572
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: Spaces, Hell's LGBTQ plus you guys, I'm pro the strike,

1573
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm pro like all of it. Yeah.

1574
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 2: I sometimes worry that because we like to make fun

1575
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 2: of people similar to us, we come across as bubble. Yeah,

1576
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 2: we come across as somehow like rejecting that the consensu

1577
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 2: of the bubble. You will not find two gay guys

1578
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,759
Speaker 2: more pro boycotting and striking than us. We are literally

1579
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 2: ready to start the revolution at any second. Just let

1580
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 2: us know, send the signal and we will be there.

1581
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 1: And I just let me know soon because I have

1582
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: to cancel my gym membership before the fifteenth.

1583
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 2: Yes, And I didn't want to cance the mine because

1584
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 2: it would have been performative. And so I actually am

1585
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 2: sort of stuck into I'm stuck in my current plan

1586
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:45,200
Speaker 2: until the end of the year.

1587
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,640
Speaker 1: Maybe you cut this too, but I'm like, but like

1588
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,600
Speaker 1: with the strike, yes, I have to I have to

1589
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 1: confess something that I said that was completely insane. Please.

1590
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: But I was like, so we don't. So we're like

1591
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: it's like, don't buy anything and don't go to work.

1592
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so a restaurants open, Like they're not

1593
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: doing anything wrong, right.

1594
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: It's well, you would hope that they would be closed

1595
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 2: because all the workers would be striking, Like if enough people.

1596
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 2: It's not that you're thinking about it as a consumer,

1597
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,679
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You're thinking like, well, that's because.

1598
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,240
Speaker 1: I can't not go to work. I don't have a

1599
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,720
Speaker 1: job to go to. And that's an interesting point that

1600
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: I have considered. But yeah.

1601
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 2: I think it's like it's less like our restaurants open

1602
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 2: and more like if it succeeds, no one will go

1603
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 2: to work. Therefore the economy will be shut down. M

1604
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 2: So maybe get a little get a little ceramic pour

1605
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 2: over thing for your coffee.

1606
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: Because oh look, I make my own coffee. Now it's

1607
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: the food I'm worried about. I'm gonna start to.

1608
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:53,440
Speaker 18: III. I was just thinking if you had ever considered

1609
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:58,719
Speaker 18: what Lizzo's pass is for actresses, and I'm specifically thinking

1610
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 18: about Sydney Swing me versus Mikey Monroe kind of obvious there,

1611
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 18: and like what that would be? What is what is

1612
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 18: past for actresses?

1613
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: Okay, well, well, Diva, we have some bad news.

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01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 2: It's Mikey Madison not mikeel Monroe. So I think answer

1615
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 2: your own question there.

1616
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 1: I want to say this podcast, you know, on one hand,

1617
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 1: it's about straight culture. On the other hand, it's about

1618
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: New York West LA. On a third hand, even it's

1619
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: about not knowing actors and actress name. Yes, the fourth

1620
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: level is just about Lizzo's past.

1621
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 2: So we did every time we get a lot of

1622
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 2: Lizzo's Pass calls, we did get one about whether Kat's

1623
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 2: I uh is the fastest act ever to choose target

1624
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 2: and whether they were ever at Loso's Pass. We don't

1625
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 2: know enough about Catsie to comment on that, but we

1626
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 2: can comment on whether actresses have Lozo's pass. What is

1627
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 2: your take as the inventor of Lizzo's Past. I think

1628
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 2: I think they definitely do. But the thing with them

1629
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 2: is it's confusing because Sidney Sweeney, for example, like, I

1630
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 2: think it's so easy to be like she's target.

1631
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: She's targeted. She target because she's doing like every ad possible,

1632
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: Like she is doing ads for products I didn't even

1633
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 1: know existed. But then she'll also be in like the

1634
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,839
Speaker 1: Weirdest Movie where it's like, yep, she plays a lesbian

1635
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 1: wrestlers and boxer. I think, if that's it boxer, I

1636
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 1: forget they're different and that no one on earth sees.

1637
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: And she was the Reality winner and Jamie Reality Winner,

1638
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm sort of like Lizzer's pass is more complicated

1639
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 1: for them.

1640
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 2: Here's the complicated thing with actresses. It is actually much

1641
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 2: easier for your artistic output to be completely different than

1642
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 2: your pop culture celebrity output output as an actor than

1643
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: it is as a musician if you're a musician, if

1644
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 2: you're a Chapel Roone and you do a target ad,

1645
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 2: that really is going to affect your brand and how

1646
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:05,680
Speaker 2: people perceive your music. Every prestige actress that has won

1647
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:10,480
Speaker 2: an oscar also does a perfume. You know, a Landcombe

1648
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 2: campaign also does a Super Bowl commercial where she like

1649
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 2: reunites with some when she was in a teen movie

1650
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 2: with I just saw I didn't even know this, but

1651
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 2: I just saw that Kirson Dunston and Gabriel Union did

1652
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 2: an ad where they like reunited for bring It On. Oh,

1653
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 2: and it was like for Google or something like that

1654
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,680
Speaker 2: does not affect either of their brands in any way. No,

1655
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 2: So I think Sidney Sweeney is someone who flew too

1656
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:34,959
Speaker 2: close to the sun because she counted on that precedent.

1657
01:22:35,040 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 2: She was like, well, I can be a reality winner

1658
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,919
Speaker 2: and be a lesbian boxer and also do nail polish

1659
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 2: and bath soap. But she like did one too many

1660
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 2: and it like fucked her up. I mean, she did

1661
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 2: so many it even affected her other brand endorsements. Yeah,

1662
01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 2: but I was like, well, you can't love jeans that

1663
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 2: much because you also love shoes that much. Like, at

1664
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: some point you're like loving too many things, and I

1665
01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 2: don't believe you. Yeah, it's actually very rare that someone's

1666
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: brand life is.

1667
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 1: Coordinated super well with their art.

1668
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 2: I think Gwyneth Paltrow is a really good example of

1669
01:23:10,760 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 2: someone who somehow has managed to have a coherent brand

1670
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 2: and maintain like like as an actor and as a

1671
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 2: public figure. But then, of course, the other thing with

1672
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 2: actors versus musicians is that you don't create your own

1673
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 2: material as an actor.

1674
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: Right, and you almost are lauded for being like I

1675
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,719
Speaker 1: can't believe they were able to look like this exactly.

1676
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:31,600
Speaker 1: Like if you actually look shitty in an ad and

1677
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: you're doing an ad for like Plato or something, and

1678
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: you look like a loser, then you're in like a

1679
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 1: prestige movie. People are almost more impressed because they're like,

1680
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: oh I thought they were a loser. Yeah, they actually

1681
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 1: are a lesbian boxer. There is just way more There

1682
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: was just much more flexibility. However, that said, that's why

1683
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: it's more shocking when someone manages to fuck it up

1684
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: so much that they choose target. I'm trying to think

1685
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 1: of a good example, like I have a kind of one. Okay,

1686
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 1: you know whose target is Kristin Bell and you know,

1687
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: I but it works for her. It works for her.

1688
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that's unintented. I don't think Kristin Bell

1689
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 2: wants to be a lesbian boxer.

1690
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: It's definitely the goal. But it's confusing because at first,

1691
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 1: like being Veronica Mars, yes, it was like, wow, this

1692
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: is like an interesting character, an interesting show. It's kind

1693
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:29,520
Speaker 1: of niche, but it's also mainstream and it's like wow,

1694
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: how is this happening? And then so quickly it was like, oh,

1695
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,000
Speaker 1: you want to literally be a target commercial at all times.

1696
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 2: You know who's like that is Mark Wahlberg, Like he

1697
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 2: started in Boogie Knights, like yeah, if he had gone

1698
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,400
Speaker 2: a different direction, he could have been like I guess

1699
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 2: the comparison would be like a Leo because he wouldn't

1700
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 2: have been an indie darling. He would have still been

1701
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 2: like mainstream star but in Prestigio movies. And he decided,

1702
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:57,759
Speaker 2: you know, because he's so crazy like that, he's gonna

1703
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: commit to being target and.

1704
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: And a pitchfork person who could have gone target and

1705
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: was like almost going to Target. Yeah, Nick Cage.

1706
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 2: Yes, he easily could have been Like I would even

1707
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,799
Speaker 2: say he chose target and then went back to Lizo's

1708
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 2: past he now on Pitchfork.

1709
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1710
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:15,719
Speaker 2: I think also Emma Stone did that. I think mimic

1711
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 2: Stone went full target with easy a and like all

1712
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 2: her early and crazy stupid lover you kidding me. Imagine

1713
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 2: her doing that now and then just walk right back

1714
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 2: and said never mind, I actually wanted to go this way.

1715
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 2: If he did a quick U turn. Yeah, Amanda sy

1716
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 2: freed from Ama Mia to a testament of Endily, I.

1717
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: Mean an amazing point. Yeah. I think it's just the

1718
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 1: the path Lizzo's pass for actors is not nearly as

1719
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: icy or treacherous, and you can actually just sort of

1720
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 1: walk back and forth.

1721
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 2: It's a different like part of the game. Yeah, Like

1722
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 2: it's a it's a different video game in in with musicians,

1723
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 2: it's like it really is Chapelone in full armor, like

1724
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 2: going hard to get through, and it's hard to get through,

1725
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: and there are like snakes, and there are there's trickster

1726
01:26:02,280 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 2: figures that can accidentally like give you a stink ball

1727
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 2: and then it blows up and suddenly you find yourself

1728
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 2: at target. Whereas you know, with actors, it's much more

1729
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 2: of like a seamless. It's very like paved streets. You're

1730
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 2: in like gentrified Williamsburg and you're kind of like holding your.

1731
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: Coffee and on your phone. You took her on and

1732
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, fuck, this is not where I was going. Yeah,

1733
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:22,559
Speaker 1: You're like I had to backtrack? Is gonna take me

1734
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 1: ten minutes?

1735
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 2: Okay, well all right whatever, Like it's fine, I'll just

1736
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 2: be And then you're texting, you're ghosting, like, sorry, I'm

1737
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:29,280
Speaker 2: running fifteen minutes late.

1738
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,760
Speaker 1: It's a long story. I'll like, you know, I get away. Sorry,

1739
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 1: I went the wrong wayanded, crazy, stupid love. Isn't that

1740
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: so random? I'm gonna tell you all about it. My

1741
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 1: feet are gonna hurt when I get there, So have

1742
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:39,560
Speaker 1: a stool for me.

1743
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 19: Hi, George and Sam, hope you both are doing well

1744
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 19: the pod. George I was the tiff guy had to

1745
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 19: sketch feesh last week. If you remember me, the one

1746
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 19: person who had seen Testa Vanlei in the crowd, just

1747
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 19: want to echo that Testina Vanili was deep robbed. My

1748
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,520
Speaker 19: question for you guys is, of all the film festivals,

1749
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,320
Speaker 19: which are the gayest and which are the straightest? In

1750
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 19: your opinions, Okay, thank you, love you both.

1751
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:18,160
Speaker 7: Bye.

1752
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:24,480
Speaker 2: I think for simplicity's sake, let's do tiff Can Venice Sundown.

1753
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:29,719
Speaker 1: Because obviously there's countless film festivals, all of which are beautiful, stunning, perfect.

1754
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: We would love to speak at them.

1755
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 2: I would adore to do a panel, to moderate a panel,

1756
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 2: and it's about Lizzo's past.

1757
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe about comedy.

1758
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,600
Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, maybe I can do one about comedy. You

1759
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 2: can do one about Lozzo's past where it's Amanda seyfrid

1760
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 2: Emma Stone, Sydney Sweeney, Yah and Zendia and then they

1761
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 2: each talk about their journey.

1762
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,680
Speaker 1: With Lozzo's past. God, that would be so amazing.

1763
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 2: So I would say, hey, what were you for you Sundance?

1764
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 2: Tiff Can Venice. Venice is gayest. Venice is gayest because

1765
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 2: of the boat.

1766
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,479
Speaker 1: Because of the boat, and because it's like a place

1767
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 1: for like literally actresses to like wear a fun outfit,

1768
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 1: arrive on a boat and get photographed.

1769
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 2: And it's also can is you know, Can is the

1770
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 2: Beyonce and Venice is the slange like can. Yes, you

1771
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 2: take people do take fashion risks and look crazy and

1772
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,760
Speaker 2: like it means it is a big thing to win

1773
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 2: the pump door and all this stuff, but Venice can

1774
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:30,480
Speaker 2: be a little more unexpected.

1775
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 1: Well the way it's less prestigious. You know, it's still

1776
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: very prestigious, but it's like less than Can. It like

1777
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 1: is like Brooklyn. It's Brooklyn, Whereas I almost want to

1778
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:45,120
Speaker 1: put Can straighter, like because it's the default. It's the default,

1779
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,759
Speaker 1: and it's so like that got an eight minute standing ovation,

1780
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: which means it's eight minutes worth of good back out

1781
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: twelve minutes standing oovation. Like it's like statistically like what's

1782
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: coming out about it? Yeah, let's say Can is the straightest. Now.

1783
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 2: Tiff and Sentance are interesting. Both of them are the

1784
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 2: indie darlings. Both of them are like Zoeydachannel.

1785
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is tough, this is Tiff, This is Tiff.

1786
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 1: I think so Sundance has an element which I know

1787
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: it's no longer going to be in Park City, yeah,

1788
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: but I think the fact that it was was pretty

1789
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: gay of it. Yeah, to take over like you're essentially

1790
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: going on a vacation and writing it off completely like

1791
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: you're being like, well, I it's actually not a vacation

1792
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: because the festival's here, but like you go there and

1793
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 1: like seeing your outfits like ski even though you're not skiing. Yeah,

1794
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,960
Speaker 1: it's like it's all very like campy and tongue in cheek.

1795
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: It is.

1796
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:47,320
Speaker 2: It's also very like Sundance is the film festival equivalent

1797
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 2: of a business that is made to look independent but

1798
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 2: is actually owned by Amazon, like it is. It's like

1799
01:29:56,360 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 2: Blank Street Coffee or something like it is it Everyone

1800
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: is like self consciously dressed a little more casual and

1801
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 2: pretending that they're like they just like stumbled into there

1802
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 2: with their hot tea. And then every background, every step

1803
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 2: and repeat has like Dropbox on it. Yeah, yeah, and

1804
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:21,320
Speaker 2: so and I think there's something about Tiff that's a

1805
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 2: little more down to earth.

1806
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: Now Yeah, no, I think that's true. Sundance has like

1807
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 1: a it's neoliberal, Yeah, you know what I mean.

1808
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so does that mean Tiff is Gayer? I so

1809
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:43,759
Speaker 2: it goes from straight to gate. Can Sundance Tiff Venice?

1810
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with that. I'm comfortable with that. Okay, Okay,

1811
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 1: this one, I must say that George wanted to play

1812
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: without comment, and I said, no, it requires a comment.

1813
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 14: And Sam aim in here and I call in as

1814
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 14: a literal subject of the discourse. I need to start

1815
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 14: with a confession. Sam. I believe I am the Takia

1816
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 14: solid bear from the episode Survivor. I was the guy

1817
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:13,559
Speaker 14: standing right next to you at the good room who

1818
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 14: ordered that's the new beverage, and this is that bare backlash. However, George,

1819
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:20,799
Speaker 14: I'm really calling because of a massive lapse in alignment

1820
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 14: I witnessed back in June. I was listening to the

1821
01:31:23,479 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 14: weightlifting episode of g M.

1822
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 8: Marco.

1823
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,679
Speaker 14: On my way to a certain high end, you lift

1824
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 14: a scented Jim in Brooklyn. I had literally just reached

1825
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 14: the part when he explained that changing in the locker

1826
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,799
Speaker 14: room with a towel around your waist is inherently straight behavior.

1827
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 14: As I proceeded into the locker room, go to my corner,

1828
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 14: and whom do I find at the very next locker George?

1829
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 14: And what is he doing? He is standing there, completely

1830
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 14: shrouded in a towel, actively engaged in the exact straight

1831
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 14: behavior he had just finished pathologizing in my ear. George,

1832
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 14: I was a listener trying to live my values and

1833
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 14: more move toward a more enlightened, power free existence. And

1834
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 14: there you were the architect of the discourse, clinging to

1835
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:09,000
Speaker 14: your modesty like a suburban dat at a YMCA. My

1836
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 14: question is was this a one time performance of straightness

1837
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 14: or do we need to have a serious conversation about

1838
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 14: the integrity of our values. How can we as a

1839
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,759
Speaker 14: community move forward when the call is coming from inside

1840
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:21,320
Speaker 14: the locker room?

1841
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: You know this is George, Thank you.

1842
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 2: This is so interesting because you think that you are

1843
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 2: gotcha in me, but what you're actually doing is making

1844
01:32:33,640 --> 01:32:36,759
Speaker 2: these definitions so rigid, which goes against the entire ethos

1845
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,080
Speaker 2: of the podcast, and saying like you said this, but

1846
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 2: you did this.

1847
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:40,520
Speaker 1: That's hypocritical.

1848
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 2: I'll have you know that, depending on my mood, how

1849
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 2: like good I feel, you know, how horny I am, whatever,

1850
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 2: I am doing various different kinds of performances in the

1851
01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 2: locker room. Sometimes I'm talel on, sometimes I'm tele off.

1852
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes I even will walk towel off from a locker

1853
01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 2: room from locker to shower. Sometimes I'll put my toil

1854
01:32:59,800 --> 01:33:02,440
Speaker 2: on for the walk. Sometimes I'll have two towels.

1855
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:06,600
Speaker 1: George, just face it. You have been exposed as a hypocrite,

1856
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:10,760
Speaker 1: and in these trying times it is so important that

1857
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 1: we live our values. I think this bear is very

1858
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:21,280
Speaker 1: correctly coming for you. And I cannot believe you wrap

1859
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 1: a towel around you and then slide the underwear up

1860
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:28,480
Speaker 1: the towel. I do not do that always. I sometimes

1861
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:31,360
Speaker 1: do that depending on how crowded my little corner is,

1862
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: and if I don't want to like risk touching someone

1863
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:34,879
Speaker 1: with my ass.

1864
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 2: I cannot believe it. This is just saying. And I

1865
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:43,480
Speaker 2: actually think this is part a general a more general

1866
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 2: like it's more generally mamblematic of me being not one

1867
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,400
Speaker 2: hundred percent at home in a gym setting is that

1868
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 2: I don't have specific habits, like I really go back

1869
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:58,639
Speaker 2: and forth between being like completely free and being completely covered,

1870
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:02,320
Speaker 2: and it's almost to tell. It's like he doesn't belong

1871
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 2: here because he doesn't know exactly what his like. It's

1872
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 2: the same way I would never shave in a gym

1873
01:34:06,920 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 2: because I'm like, what if I do it wrong? What

1874
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:10,799
Speaker 2: if I suddenly it's not allowed.

1875
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 1: I love shaving at the gym, Oh my god.

1876
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,280
Speaker 2: Anyway, but you know what, I am taking your feedback,

1877
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:21,160
Speaker 2: and I vow from now on to just sort of

1878
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 2: be cock out constantly at the gym, maybe even on

1879
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 2: the way lifting floor.

1880
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,720
Speaker 1: Well that's what happened to Nicole byer.

1881
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 2: I, and I want to say I appreciate the poetic

1882
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 2: nature of this call.

1883
01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:38,439
Speaker 1: I mean, if it is attacking me, that was an

1884
01:34:38,439 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 1: amazing call. But I will say this, I think a

1885
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: big theme of this call list is George.

1886
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't want to say anything, but a lot

1887
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 2: of them are addressing me, and you.

1888
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,600
Speaker 1: Are addressing you this time around. It's actually very interesting.

1889
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 1: The big challenge for next time is ask address Sam

1890
01:34:56,520 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm just feeling so invisible in a way

1891
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 1: that is interesting.

1892
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:05,600
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm sorry to tell you this, but

1893
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 2: we have more listeners in New York than LA and

1894
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 2: so they're more likely at this point to see me

1895
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 2: and think about me.

1896
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 7: Well.

1897
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,800
Speaker 1: Also, of course your hair is going out. It's like

1898
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:16,519
Speaker 1: maybe it's time for me to do a big uh. Yeah,

1899
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:17,960
Speaker 1: how are you gonna keep up? I think I have

1900
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 1: to die my hair. You have to dye your hair

1901
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 1: and then put your towel all the way up to

1902
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:25,840
Speaker 1: your booby. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's what I have to do.

1903
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:33,719
Speaker 15: I this is a very periant question, but I feel

1904
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 15: like you two can speak to it intelligently.

1905
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 8: Do you think that.

1906
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 15: In a conversation with friends, women were saying that they

1907
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 15: pretty much tell each other when they're dating some dating

1908
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 15: a man.

1909
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:51,680
Speaker 13: They tell the other person everything.

1910
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:54,040
Speaker 15: About that gentleman.

1911
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 11: Cock.

1912
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:01,600
Speaker 13: Is that I feel like there's a level of privacy

1913
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 13: among gay men Or am I wrong? Is like disclose

1914
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:08,719
Speaker 13: up all.

1915
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 15: The details about your partner's dick purely straight?

1916
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 8: Or does it.

1917
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 13: Learn a line?

1918
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 7: All?

1919
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 13: Right, have a good one.

1920
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 2: Well, we were talking about this with them jeans, Oh,

1921
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:32,680
Speaker 2: remind me what we said. He was saying, how we

1922
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 2: were talking about straight women versus straight men, and how

1923
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:38,839
Speaker 2: straight women, ironically, even though straight men have the reputation

1924
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 2: of objectifying women, straight women ironically are more likely to

1925
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 2: talk about like specifics of their husband's dick, whereas a

1926
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 2: straight man would never be like, this is what my

1927
01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 2: wife's private parts are like?

1928
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:50,639
Speaker 1: Right right, right, right right.

1929
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 2: So that's sort of men versus women. But this one

1930
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 2: is interesting because it's straight the gay.

1931
01:36:55,720 --> 01:37:00,840
Speaker 1: I think I think there's something about gay men talking

1932
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 1: about other men's dicks where there almost is a little

1933
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 1: bit more empathy in every direction. And like, I think

1934
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 1: they will talk about it, but the stats they're sharing

1935
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 1: are different, Like it's more like how was sex? Like,

1936
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,920
Speaker 1: I think it's very like sex was good sex, This

1937
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: was fun, this was the energy this yeah, this was weird,

1938
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:25,520
Speaker 1: this blah blah blah. But like I think, like literally

1939
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: just being like dick was this long, this wide is

1940
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 1: like very not the culture.

1941
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, well men versus women is much more warlike. It's

1942
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 2: like give me, It's like it's comparison based. It is

1943
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 2: like it's very like, Okay, this is the biggest dick

1944
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 2: I've ever seen and the spotlest dick I've ever seen.

1945
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 2: And I also think the specific question was about partners,

1946
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 2: and I do think what happens with gay men is

1947
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 2: I think I will much more freely discuss non partin

1948
01:38:00,520 --> 01:38:02,920
Speaker 2: men I hook up the same thing, and I would

1949
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:06,000
Speaker 2: never I don't think i've I would never go into

1950
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 2: like super lurid details about like me and my partner.

1951
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:13,320
Speaker 2: I mean maybe with like a close friend, but but

1952
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 2: it is that does seem weirdly way more private or sacred,

1953
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,719
Speaker 2: Whereas I'm like, if.

1954
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:24,960
Speaker 1: It's a hook cup, I'm like, well as cock was there,

1955
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: If it's like Misha, I'm like, only my most trusted

1956
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:30,760
Speaker 1: friends who I really get into it with.

1957
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 2: So I think maybe that's the difference, is that if

1958
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 2: a straight couple is monogamous. That's the one dick she

1959
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:40,479
Speaker 2: has to talk about, so she's gonna bring it up.

1960
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:44,759
Speaker 1: The only time I really bring up size of someone's

1961
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 1: deck is if it's like notably large, whor it's just

1962
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: like I actually haven't seen one that big very often.

1963
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,120
Speaker 1: Like then I'm sort of like, wow, that was, like,

1964
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 1: that's like seeing the Grand Canyon.

1965
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Speaker 20: Hi, Simon George. I'm Martin gla mcgirl from the Netherlands.

1966
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 20: I've always wondered that if your listeners are glamour girls,

1967
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 20: then your title should be Glamour Divas or something more

1968
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:12,080
Speaker 20: stupid sounding anywhere. I don't know if you know this,

1969
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 20: but your podcast has a high listenability quality. I don't

1970
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 20: know if that's a word. And I often revisit old episodes.

1971
01:39:21,000 --> 01:39:23,839
Speaker 20: Which do you prefer episodes where the topic is discussed

1972
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,280
Speaker 20: in length and you go along theorizing tangents and are

1973
01:39:27,320 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 20: often creating binaries, or the episodes where the topic brings

1974
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 20: up a different conversation and barely even touch.

1975
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:37,840
Speaker 1: The question the guests topic. Love them both and love

1976
01:39:37,880 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 1: you too, XO, so love you another hot voice. I

1977
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:46,640
Speaker 1: know something is going on, something's up. Maybe you're just

1978
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 1: rock hard yeah, maybe, Okay, this is an interesting question.

1979
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 1: Do we care. Do we prefer to talk about the

1980
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:57,839
Speaker 1: topic a lot, or to just go fully off topic

1981
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 1: and be crazy. I think it really depends on if

1982
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: the guest actually cares about their topic, because there's something

1983
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 1: that's happening where our guests, if they like have never

1984
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 1: listened to the pod before we'll come on, they won't

1985
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. They're like, oh, I have

1986
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: to have a straight topic. What do you guys want

1987
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 1: to Oh, you know, I've always done it, And we're

1988
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: like either intimidated or or we just don't feel like

1989
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 1: arguing with them and they don't seem to care about

1990
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Speaker 1: the topics or just like sure that works, and then

1991
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 1: we like don't talk about it much because they don't care.

1992
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 1: And if they don't care, we don't care. Yeah uh,

1993
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Speaker 1: and we just don't want to like argue with them

1994
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 1: basically beforehand. And I like those episodes to an extent.

1995
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 1: But when a guest does care about the topic, I

1996
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:44,920
Speaker 1: really do prefer it because their enthusiasm I think leads

1997
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,640
Speaker 1: us and we get to then like really dive in

1998
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 1: and get deeper and deeper. Whereas it's so clear when

1999
01:40:50,200 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 1: the guest doesn't care about the topic, we try to

2000
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 1: go deeper. They're like, okay, moving on, yeah, and we're

2001
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 1: like no, the point is we like kind of dig

2002
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Speaker 1: in yeah.

2003
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 2: And you know, to bring ourselves in to it a

2004
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 2: little bit, and not to only blame the guests, not

2005
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 2: that that's what you were doing, but guest blaming, you're

2006
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 2: guest blaming. I would say, well, I would say, first

2007
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 2: of all, definitively, I do prefer episodes where we go

2008
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 2: into theorizing like that is in my dream world, every

2009
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 2: episode would be mostly theorizing about a topic, and we

2010
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 2: would get to a point where, like when we have

2011
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 2: someone like theta On who's really smart, where we're like,

2012
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 2: we're really like to taking a topic like photography and

2013
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,800
Speaker 2: theorizing about when when is photography gay? When photography straight?

2014
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 2: What is the evolution of it? We're doing this kind

2015
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:37,200
Speaker 2: of comedic, idiotic philosophizing that I just think it's when

2016
01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:39,120
Speaker 2: we get in that role, I'm it really feels like

2017
01:41:39,160 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 2: we're in a flow state and it feels like so

2018
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 2: fun and it feels like improv and all this stuff.

2019
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 2: So yes, in an ideal world, that is what every

2020
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,240
Speaker 2: episode would be like. But I think both of us

2021
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:52,559
Speaker 2: are worried about forcing it. So if it's not going

2022
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 2: there organically, oftentimes we won't push it. And maybe if

2023
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 2: we're like twenty percent more pushy, we could get it there.

2024
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, this is the big internal debate to get

2025
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 1: a peek behind the curtain. Is we're wondering how pushy

2026
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 1: to be and that's how almost rude to be.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is like a legitimate, not even debate, because

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01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 2: I think neither of us is. It's not like we're

2029
01:42:16,960 --> 01:42:19,679
Speaker 2: each one side and we're arguing, right, we are both

2030
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 2: undecided about how much we want to go combative interviewer

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01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 2: mode as a bit and like alienate the guests for

2032
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 2: the sake of the audience having a better time, like

2033
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 2: perform for the audience rather than perform for the guests.

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Speaker 1: And it's tough because we have done that in the past,

2035
01:42:36,520 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 1: but only with like close friends. Yeah, and so when

2036
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Speaker 1: it's not someone we know very well, it's always like, well,

2037
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:44,559
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be mean to a random person

2038
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. But then it's like should we like, uh,

2039
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 1: like it's an interesting thing. And also it's just like

2040
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 1: it's so easy for us to be mean to our friends.

2041
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,639
Speaker 1: But both of us are like polite people, and it's

2042
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,120
Speaker 1: very hard for us to be rude to someone one

2043
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:00,880
Speaker 1: who we barely know.

2044
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:02,759
Speaker 2: I know it makes me feel like a fraud sometimes

2045
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:06,479
Speaker 2: because I'm just like, if if I was listening to

2046
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:11,439
Speaker 2: someone else, be so different differential, sure is that the

2047
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:16,559
Speaker 2: right word? I think, so deferential to a big guess

2048
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 2: that they're intimidated by, I'd be like, I'm turning.

2049
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:21,280
Speaker 1: This off right, I'd be like, grow up.

2050
01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 2: But it is difficult in the moment to like humiliate

2051
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 2: yourself and or take a risk, and you also do

2052
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 2: genuinely risk because the other person if that if a

2053
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 2: person is going on the Adam Friedlin Show, they sort

2054
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 2: of know that that's what they're in for because they've

2055
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,599
Speaker 2: like maybe seen past clips. They know that he plays

2056
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:45,719
Speaker 2: this character. Where I think for us, because we don't

2057
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 2: necessarily play that character, it would be like really jarring

2058
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 2: to have to have like, you know, uh, Jennifer Lopez

2059
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:55,599
Speaker 2: on and suddenly be like screaming at her.

2060
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Speaker 1: I also, this is something I don't know if this

2061
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 1: is true, but tell me what you think. Where I

2062
01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: think as gay guys were expected to stand I know

2063
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:08,160
Speaker 1: in a different way, and I think it's a little

2064
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:10,640
Speaker 1: bit unfair. And I think like our guests come on

2065
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 1: and being like, oh, two gay guys, they're going to

2066
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Speaker 1: love me, and it's like, oh, we kind of want

2067
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 1: to like be able to pretend to be mean to you,

2068
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:19,559
Speaker 1: and you're okay with it, but they're just so used

2069
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:22,719
Speaker 1: to like like everyone's just like, well it's gay guys

2070
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:25,559
Speaker 1: on a microphone. They're going to be actually too nice

2071
01:44:25,600 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 1: to me. And we're like and we're like what we

2072
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 1: do is like worse where we're like we don't want

2073
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 1: to be too nice, nor do we want to be rude,

2074
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 1: so we're just like normal down the middle. Yeah.

2075
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 2: No, that's that's exactly it. It's like I think being

2076
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 2: down the middle is the worst thing you can do.

2077
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:43,680
Speaker 2: I would rather just be like, okay, I'm going to

2078
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:47,439
Speaker 2: bunk my head and just be stand mode. Yeah, and

2079
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:49,400
Speaker 2: then it can be like fun in a sort of

2080
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 2: like you know Evan ross Katz interviewing the heated rivalry

2081
01:44:53,080 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 2: guy's way, yeah totally, or you know, or you go

2082
01:44:57,280 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 2: Adam Friedlin mode, but like yeah, and so I think

2083
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 2: that's why oftentimes we will not want to have bigger

2084
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 2: slubs on Yeah.

2085
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: But don't worry. We're gonna have Amanda syfreed on and

2086
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:16,280
Speaker 1: we are going to tell her that her forehead is

2087
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 1: too fucking small to play that character and that she

2088
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 1: was stealing roles from four Hedges women.

2089
01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta say not to bring up my experience

2090
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 2: at the Golden Globes yet again, but this was something

2091
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:37,720
Speaker 2: that was very apparent there where it's like we would

2092
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 2: write questions that are clearly meant in jest and then

2093
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 2: celebrities like wouldn't know how to deal with them, so

2094
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 2: then you just get like an awkward interaction. I mean

2095
01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:49,479
Speaker 2: where like we asked Claire Danes, like, you know, you're

2096
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:51,320
Speaker 2: really smart? Is it hard for you to be the

2097
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 2: smartest person in the room at these events, which is

2098
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,720
Speaker 2: like such a layup, and she's just like, very sweetly like, Oh,

2099
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,519
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that's what makes it hard. I think

2100
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 2: it's just more it's just stressful for there's.

2101
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:03,559
Speaker 1: So many smart creative people in the field, and no,

2102
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:08,240
Speaker 1: I think I really underestimate pr training. Yeah, because like

2103
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 1: there have been some interviews where I'm like, oh, we're

2104
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 1: gonna ask them like a somewhat biting question and they're

2105
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:16,240
Speaker 1: gonna like get it and run with us, and it's like, no,

2106
01:46:16,479 --> 01:46:19,760
Speaker 1: the pr training is like in the bones sometimes, you

2107
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 1: know what.

2108
01:46:20,040 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 2: Else to be more empathetic to those celebrities, they are

2109
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:25,519
Speaker 2: forced to do so much stupid bullshit now as part

2110
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 2: of their press tours, of course, like they have to

2111
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:31,120
Speaker 2: eat hot wings, they have to like, you know, go

2112
01:46:31,200 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 2: on some like random TikTok show where someone like forces

2113
01:46:34,360 --> 01:46:38,519
Speaker 2: them to you know, walk on one leg while like

2114
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,120
Speaker 2: you know, touching their head or something like they have

2115
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 2: to do a lie detector test. They have to be

2116
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:45,400
Speaker 2: constantly reminded of their movies they made when they were seventeen,

2117
01:46:45,800 --> 01:46:49,720
Speaker 2: and it's like, unless we're doing something super different, all

2118
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,480
Speaker 2: we're doing is adding to that cacophony.

2119
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 1: Don't say that we're not doing that. We're not adding

2120
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 1: to that. I want to say that. It's like, this

2121
01:46:56,479 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: is why, like Jennifer Lawrence gets to be such a

2122
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 1: because it's like when you find someone who is both

2123
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: good at acting, which is a lot of actors, but

2124
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:07,760
Speaker 1: then also has like a fun personality and can do

2125
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,240
Speaker 1: hot wings and actually be charming, can do a podcast

2126
01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 1: where people are weird and actually kind of get the bit.

2127
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,240
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, well, you are God now literally, and

2128
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:19,520
Speaker 1: we haven't really found one since then. We literally haven't.

2129
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Ivy Woke is obviously going to

2130
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:24,720
Speaker 1: be that, but she's doing it the opposite way, where

2131
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 1: she's crushing the comedy podcast circuit and then we'll win

2132
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:30,320
Speaker 1: an oscar by the time she is twenty seven.

2133
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:37,000
Speaker 2: Which is in fifteen years. In fifteen years. Yeah, it's complicated,

2134
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:39,519
Speaker 2: but I sort of like that. The show is always

2135
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:40,320
Speaker 2: a work in progress.

2136
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: Oh honey, we're growing, we're changing.

2137
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 2: And I'm much more into the idea of being looser

2138
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 2: and sort of like playing it fast and loose with

2139
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,679
Speaker 2: segments and with topics and.

2140
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 1: Doing special episodes and things like that. Yeah, I like that.

2141
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:06,599
Speaker 1: This is our ending call. Actually me too, it's reflective. Yeah, well,

2142
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, we no longer call these shows earnestness bonanzas,

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Speaker 1: buta this ending was, Well, it's because we've we're just

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Speaker 1: more real. We're more real, I know than we once more.

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Speaker 1: I know it's true, we've dropped the act. We should

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Speaker 1: have a year when we're bad. I know I'm ready

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Speaker 1: to be bad. To be honest, I'm ready to be bad.

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Speaker 1: We need to be bad.

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Speaker 2: You know what's funny even with our friends now, we

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Speaker 2: used to be more mean to them. I think the

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Speaker 2: older we get, the more I'm like, well, it seems

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Speaker 2: cool to ask someone to come on a podcast and

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Speaker 2: then be mean to them.

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Speaker 1: I mean we were mina Jewelers. Oh yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: really good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we should just have Joe Firestone on once a

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Speaker 2: month and just verbally abuse her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then maybe we need to have Yeah, get ready,

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Speaker 1: we're going back to our roots. It's time to you mean. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I love that and earnestly thank you everyone for calling

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Speaker 2: these work, and we did. We got to a small

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Speaker 2: fraction of the not to rag, but there are a

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Speaker 2: lot of other ones that I thought were really great,

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Speaker 2: some very thoughtful calls. This time around, I think our

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Speaker 2: audience is growing with us in a very sweet way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, next time, if you want to

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Speaker 1: be asked me about anything that's going on in my life,

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Speaker 1: you know I wouldn't be opposed. I do have a

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Speaker 1: rich in her life. If you care about those sorts

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Speaker 1: of topics. Would you like questions about you know, hair,

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Speaker 1: body face, you know, dreams, wants, wishes, et cetera. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: favorite color, favorite food, vacation, destinations in the coming year

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Speaker 1: top bottom verse, just questions such as that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you guys could just write in and

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Speaker 2: maybe ask Sam if he's top bottom or verse, he

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Speaker 2: would really appreciate that. It's something he's always wanted to

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Speaker 2: answer on air.

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Speaker 1: Because I, you know, I'm currently giving sidekick and that's

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Speaker 1: a bit tough.

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Speaker 2: I do not think you're currently giving side giving. Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, Andy Richter asked, I cannot believe this.

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Speaker 1: No JK. I don't actually feel that way. Just trying

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Speaker 1: practicing being bad.

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Speaker 2: Well that's all we have to say. And I just

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Speaker 2: want to say that it's time to change things politically now.

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Speaker 1: Literally, you guys strike and boycott wherever you can. I

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Speaker 1: will not be going to a restaurant on Friday, even

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Speaker 1: though I don't know if it's allowed. I'm never eating again.

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Speaker 2: That's called a hunger literally hunger strike until the entire

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Speaker 2: system is dismantled.

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Speaker 1: I have been on a hunger strike recently, but only

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Speaker 1: because all my meals have been so small. I keep

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Speaker 1: being like, whatever happened to portions calling dieting a hunger strike.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually you're just dieting because you're like going to

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Speaker 2: the Oscars, and you're like, I'm on a hunger strike.

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Speaker 1: I feel like every every meal I have, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: this is gonna be the big one? Is this big?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I'm starving.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, it is so stressful when you

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Speaker 2: go out to dinner with a friend and you know

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Speaker 2: they're not a big eater and they refuse to order

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Speaker 2: enough food. I went out to dinner with a friend recently.

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Speaker 2: Actually I'm gonna I want not to say dinner with

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Speaker 2: my friend in April. She initially suggested getting one appetizer and

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Speaker 2: one entree to share. I had to step in. I

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Speaker 2: had to say, April, I know you are a skin

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Speaker 2: delicious diva who of course has a healthy relationship with food,

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Speaker 2: but just like doesn't need more.

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Speaker 1: Than that I do. And I actually put my foot

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Speaker 1: down and I said, ordering another entree and then we

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Speaker 1: got dessert. Well, Misha and I went out for birthday

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Speaker 1: dinner with my brother and his girlfriend, and you better

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Speaker 1: believe we ordered over one hundred things. Turns out they're

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Speaker 1: all this big.

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Speaker 2: Oh well yeah, I mean the top us, the topacification

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Speaker 2: of everything needs to end.

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Speaker 1: We order a steak, they say, how big it's going

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Speaker 1: to be? An ounces, and then I get the thing

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Speaker 1: and I say, bring out the scale. Yeah, because this

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Speaker 1: is not that big.

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Speaker 2: When they do ounces, but it's bone in you're saying, oh, so,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, two thirds of this was bone.

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Speaker 1: I'm paying for the bone. So I'm paying for the bone.

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Speaker 1: Just just to be clear, I'm paying for the bone. Unbelievable, tip,

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Speaker 1: but not for the bone. You can bone fee do

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Speaker 1: the math, and you tip only for the barth that

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Speaker 1: isn't bone, I mean the bone that was insane. Tip

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Speaker 1: your servers. I'm gonna domestic terrorist thou restaurant. Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you should, and I will.

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Speaker 2: As we said, it's easier to take down small businesses

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Speaker 2: than big ones, and so let's start there and then

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe in a few years we'll get to

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Speaker 2: Amazon after there are no small business is left.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I could talk forever, but we unfortunately, I

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Speaker 1: have to pee so bad.

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Speaker 2: And I have to go to the gym fully naked.

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Speaker 2: Goodbyebye podcast and now.

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Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel and subscribe to our Patreon for

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Speaker 1: two extra episodes a month at patreon dot com. Slash

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Speaker 1: Stradio Lab Stradio Lab is a production by Will Ferrell's

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Speaker 1: Big Money Players Network and iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Created and hosted by me George Severis and Sam Taggart.

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01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:57,879
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Speaker 1: edited by Laurence Thump, and mixed and mastured by Doug Bain.

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Speaker 1: Artwork by Michael Philes and Matt Grubb. Theme music by

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