WEBVTT - Classic Music Saved Me with Dylan Cartlidge 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:01.320 Music Saved Me. 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:03.000 The only way I can describe is that when I 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.320 walked up to the microphone, it literally felt as though 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.400 like I don't know I was there and I was 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:10.239 completely naked, and everybody was like, oh my god, this guy. 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:12.760 You know, it was so like, it's so shut Lily nervin, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:13.000 you know. 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:17.000 I'm Lynn Hoffman and welcome to another inspiring episode of 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.840 the Music Save Me Podcast, where we explore it the 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:24.320 transformative power of music and its ability to heal, uplift 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.200 and connect us all. Now, if you like this podcast, 0:00:27.200 --> 0:00:29.400 please share it with your friends and make sure you 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.600 follow us and subscribe so you never miss an episode. 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.839 And boy are you lucky. Today we are thrilled to 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.560 have with us the incredibly talented and dare I say 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:45.320 absolutely adorable Dylan Cartilage, a rising story in the music 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.720 world on Glass Note Records, whose unique sound and powerful 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.560 storytelling and the biggest smile you can hear it when 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:56.200 he sings, are making waves in the music industry. Hailing 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.120 from redcar which is a small town in the northeast 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:03.000 of England, Dylan's story is one of hope above adversity 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.199 for Sure, which is the title of his debut album 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.319 from twenty twenty one and his newest single, which is 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.240 so catchy. I dare you not to listen once and 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.319 you will never forget the song. It's called New Day, 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.800 a wonderful song of hope and redemption. Welcome Dylan cartlitche 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:21.960 to Music Save Me. It's so great to have you here. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:23.840 Oh my god, I don't think I've ever had a 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.920 better introiler. Thank you so so much. I really appreciate that. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.720 Well, You're welcome, and thank you for being here. Can 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:35.039 you start by telling our listeners about your early experiences 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.840 with music and how how it originally became a source 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:43.080 of healing for you growing up in Red Car one percent. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.720 So you know, I guess you know, my musical kind 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.840 of journeys, you know, is impacted very much by my 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.000 life experience. You know, it kind of like goes hand 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.400 in hand. So I've first started out like rapping when 0:01:54.400 --> 0:01:57.960 I was like, you know, thirteen fourteen, But it really 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.760 came from like I had a very very electric matic upbringing. 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:02.120 I was in and out of foster care. You know, 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.960 I had lots of things going on at home, you know, 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.160 and I was really faced with a decision. You know, 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.160 it's probably the hardest decision I've ever had to make, 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:13.079 which was kind of moving away from my town, my hometown, 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:14.960 everything that I've ever known at the age of you know, 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:19.360 fourteen fifteen and starting a brand new life with a 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.160 foster family, or you know, staying in everything that I 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.880 knew at the time, which was trauma, you know, addiction, struggle, 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.440 these kind of things. And although it was a really 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.600 really difficult decision, I made the decision to move away 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.040 and to really begin, yeah, I begin again and to 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:34.040 start again. 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:35.280 And it was really really difficult. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.400 When I first came to Red Car it was it 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.480 was like it was almost it was beautiful but terrifying 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.680 at the same time, because it was sort of like, yeah, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:44.800 just a totally clean slate, but there was lots of 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:46.880 people that I cared deally about that had to kind 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:48.480 of leave behind in a way or not be as 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.560 you know, locationally close to. And yeah, a lot of 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.280 healing to be done. And so that really was a 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.280 process of going from living in a kind of inter 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.240 city circumstance where you know, my school percentage was like 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.200 thirteen percent, to like living in a very rural coastal 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:04.799 area where I was the only black kid in a 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.919 school full of three hundred kids, and I went to 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.280 school ninety nine percent of the time and began this 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:13.079 musical journey. I started, you know, kind of burning CDs 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:15.200 at that time. I was writing albums, you know. I'll 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:16.840 go in between the lessons with a you know, a 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.000 piece of paper on like the break, you know, in 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.000 between the classes and be. 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:21.720 Like, hey, guys, I've written these lyrics. Can you read 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:22.560 these and get back to me? 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:24.680 You know. And I was doing the school talent shows 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:26.480 and stuff like that. But yeah, that's really where where 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.440 it kind of began for me. Is really that transition 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:29.840 which is the biggest point in my life, you know 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.000 at that time, which was to kind of you know, 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.440 to start that process of healing and really begin to yeah, 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:36.000 begin my life really now. 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.080 You you had mentioned you grew up in the foster 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.560 care system and then you were adopted by a family. 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.840 You said somewhere I think I saw on this beautiful 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.680 documentary piece that you wrote songs to speak to your 0:03:48.680 --> 0:03:52.520 brothers because you couldn't do it verbally, so it was 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.320 easier for you to explain or express your feelings. Can 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:56.960 you talk a little bit about that. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:03:58.400 Yeah, one hundred percent. 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.440 So the hardest thing about moving away is that, you know, 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.160 I had I have a younger brother. But at the 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:05.880 time when I moved away, my younger brother was eight 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:07.960 years old, and you know, to kind of paint a 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.880 picture for the listeners, it was kind of like, you know, 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:11.840 I was really struggling, and there was times where it 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.200 was me and you know, in a house with no electricity, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:15.640 with a new born baby in my arms, you know, 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:19.080 trying to find a way through, you know, and no 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.760 matter how bad things have gotten on, regardless of what 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.839 I've been through, like when my brother was born, like 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:25.240 that was a ray of hope that was like, this 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.520 is something pure and innocent that needs to be protected, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:30.520 and I can't allow what's happened to me so far 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.680 to happen to my brother, you know. And so I 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.560 took this real responsibility, this real sort of like you know, 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.359 I guess parental type of role or that was you know, 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.120 a kid myself. You know, it's like it'd been eight 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.000 years old to kind of make sure that that didn't 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.520 happen to my brother. And I did everything that I can. 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.680 But the biggest factor of moving away was to have 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.359 to leave my brother, you know, with an uncertain life himself, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.000 because it was only myself that was able to move 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:57.320 away into this adoption and that was the most gut wrenching, 0:04:57.440 --> 0:04:59.680 heartbreaking experience. But I really told myself that if I 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.760 could move away and make something better myself, that ultimately 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.000 being a role model for my brother and showing them 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:07.360 that we can escape the circumstances and you know and 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:09.240 kind of like make something better of our lives would 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:13.400 be a better thing than to sacrifice any opportunity I 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.400 might be given just to stay, you know, in the 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:17.839 same situation as my brother. So a big part of 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.680 my early songwriting was kind of making sense to that 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.600 and trying to, yeah, make songs really to speak to 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:25.119 my brother, to speak to family members of a children 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.120 like us, you know, other children that would face you know, 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.480 crazy adversity, trauma, addiction, and kids you don't hear from. 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.159 It was really to you know, to give a voice 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.400 to the voiceless. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.799 And lead by example as a big brother, which is 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.920 is very powerful too, but you're doing it with music 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.880 is just it's like an extra level of example, which 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:48.600 is pretty amazing. You've described your sound besides creating new 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.599 musical genres, which I don't even know if you understood 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:56.080 that you were doing at the time, but your described 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:00.839 sounds hope above adversity. What does hope above aversity mean 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.000 to you? And how does it reflect in your music? 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.360 I think, you know, I think hope of adversity and 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.120 kind of like the style of music that I make 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.360 and the vibe that I hope to get across with 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.240 my songs. I really I'm a big believer in kind 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.080 of music encapsulating more than. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:17.159 Just what's on in MP three. 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.560 Like I absolutely love whenever I work people at big people, 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.000 small people, whatever it is. You know, I might just 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:23.760 collaborate with somebody I just met the other day, Like, 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:25.560 you know, there was a t where I got a 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.080 cab one time and that I ended up working with 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.120 a cab driver and he was taking photos and whatever 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.279 it is, and You're like, it's genuinely like a I 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.480 am that guy, Like I will talk to anybody anytime 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:34.719 and they're like, let's try something. 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:35.280 I'm game, man. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.279 I'm just like, I'm a very people person, and I 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.680 really see those moments as being like snapshots. So it 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.880 don't matter whether you're working in you know, Electric Lady 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:43.160 or I've we road with the biggest studos and real 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:44.119 smallert studies in your bedroom. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:44.640 It doesn't matter. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:48.000 Like I always see U, you know, collaboration and also 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.120 just making music as like a time stamp, a little cap, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:51.960 you know, a frozen piece of time and where that 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:53.760 person might be or where those people might be at 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.000 that time. Yeah, and I and I really get a 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.440 real cavarsitism from making music, and I've very much blend 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.200 that in so I try my best to think about, 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:05.320 you know, I guess the landscape at the time and 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.039 how I'm feeling in myself emotionally, but also in a 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.200 broader context of all the music that's come before me, 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.040 you know, soul artists, you know Rufa Franklin and Nina Simone, 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.680 as Fronk calld Is, like Stevie Wonder, you know, just 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.840 people who have laid the foundations for great musicians. 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:21.040 And it's given us. 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.080 Such a rich variety of history to delve into, like 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:25.880 to be able to draw on that but also put 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.760 it in the context of like, you know, I guess 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:31.040 the way that you know Quentin Tarantino, Like I'm a 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:32.480 big movie buff, and I feel like the way in 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.040 which he talks about movies and talks about his influences 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:36.840 in the old La cinemas and how he wanted to 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:38.680 kind of do his own thing with that and kind 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.160 of like, you know, take what had gone before him, 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:42.760 but kind of spin it in new way. Like I love, 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:44.200 like I feel to do that in the context of 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:46.520 the musicians that have come before me, but with my 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.400 own story and my own kind of emotional kind of regulation. 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:51.960 But yeah, in the context of like how I feel 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:52.840 today in the world I live in. 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.200 You know, well, you know you mentioned a few names. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:59.200 They're pretty big names. Nina Simon, Stevie Wonder. I'm just 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:02.280 curious when you would have a moment maybe that you 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.960 weren't quite as happy or you were feeling down, what 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.000 music did you listen to to help you to get 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:09.680 out of that mood. 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.400 Yeah, I think definitely, I think that I think that 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:16.320 would be that vibe. I think definitely Kick Cuddy was 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.160 a massive artist for me. Like there, Nina Simon too, 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.520 like artists like that, even like you know, Louis Armstrong. 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.520 And what I would find is that, like, you know, 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.920 when I was feeling when I was not feeling great, 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:27.160 So everybody knows that when you're. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:28.640 Not feeling so good. 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.360 I actually try my best to sort of like sit 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.400 with that feeling and embrace that and trying to learn 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.520 something from it. And I feel like, even like, you know, 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.880 there's been times throughout history or you know, with artists 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.680 where there's been, you know, horrific challenges that they've been facing, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.120 Nina Simone being a you know, quintessential. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.120 Kind of point in case there and just the way 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:46.760 in which way she. 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:50.439 Would encaptulate, you know, not not necessarily look away from 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.000 those feelings or you know, the hardship that she was 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:55.480 facing at the time, but actually would you know, express 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.760 it in a way that felt kind of timeless, you know, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.960 and and and it almost gave a blueprint for people 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.000 to listen to and and to kind of take take 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:02.599 some solace in. 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.040 You know, you are an old soul. 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.680 And so when were you first introduced to some of 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.800 these amazing artists that came long before you. 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.600 I kind of think it was, you know, very much 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.400 like in a mad way. My introduction was to music 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:22.760 was a bit of a strange one because I grew 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:24.880 up in a household that was very chaotic, and I 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:26.960 would just find like random, like I don't know, there 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.440 was a point in time where you know me, you know, 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.400 my biological mum were living in like a kind of 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:33.760 a rave house, like it was a state you know, 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:35.320 it's kind of a state house type thing, and there 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:37.079 was just like a house DJ and there's just tapes 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.560 of like random trance stuff and weird eighties and nineties 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.400 sort of you know, British pop bands like you know, 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:44.840 just lying around and I would just listen to this 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.000 stuff and you know, figure out. But I think I've 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.960 always been drawing to that stuff. I think the second 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.440 that I would you know, listen to you know, particular 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.720 radio station or you know, somebody would play. I always 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.040 remember one of the funniest things ever I ever to 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.640 remember is I remember going to my one of my 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.960 older brothers from my you know, adoptive family. I went 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.640 to one of his wedding and I never forget the 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.200 first time that I heard it's Tricky by run DMC. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:06.840 I must have. 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.800 I must have been about six years old, right, and 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.360 I was I was allowed to go to the party 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:12.920 my brother, you know, it was his wedding, and so 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:14.480 one of my over brothers like, okay, we're gonna look 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:15.760 after you and you can stay till late. So I 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.200 like get in No Bedtime today and then that song 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:20.439 I just requested over and over again and was dancing 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.959 and dancing and dancing. So just anything that I've always 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:24.319 been drawn to that kind of stuff, you know where 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:25.600 it's people just playing it on you. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:26.200 Have you heard this. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.000 I've always been drawn to that kind of old soul stuff, 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.600 you know, a lot of the northern soul stuff. 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:31.880 A big Frankie Valley fan too. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:38.680 Wow, fron DMC to Frankie Valley, that's amazing that that 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:42.200 truly is amazing you you really you know your stuff 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:48.000 and all just sup such uplifting stuff. Run DMC was 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.720 a huge band for me too, so I totally I 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:52.400 can hear that song right now. 0:10:52.280 --> 0:11:01.320 It's okay and then just that yes, that's d MC, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:03.600 actually believe it or not. Between us. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.960 On a side note, I'm dear old friends with with 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.959 Darryl Darryl Mack and I bet it would just make 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:12.400 him so thrilled to note that he influenced you and 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:17.439 and you're coming up through the ranks. Can you share 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:22.040 a specific moment or an experience where music saved or 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.480 helped you through a difficult time. 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:28.240 I definitely think I would say at the time when 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:29.760 you know, I did have to kind of you know 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:32.280 leave you know, kind of leave my hometown and really 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.520 kind of you know, leave everything behind. I would say 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.600 that for me, that's a you know, a big part 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.800 of you know, my kind of life. And I would 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.080 say that would definitely be one of the moments where 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:42.280 you know, it was sort of like there was so 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.280 much going on. I would say, you know, such hardship. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.400 It's such such a young age, and I just really remember, 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:52.160 you know, listening to Kick Cuddie, who was an artist 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:55.600 like you know who I been into rap heavily as 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:57.400 you know, starting out as a rapper myself, and listen 0:11:57.480 --> 0:12:00.000 to even like people like Common or Lupe Fiasco or 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:01.840 rappers that were maybe off the beaten track and kind 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:03.720 of did some kind of like more conscious hip hop. 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.920 But Kik Kuddy was the first rapper I heard that 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.800 kind of was like wrapping about depression or mental illness 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:11.599 or you know, all these types of things. And I 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:13.120 was the first time where it felt to me like, 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.319 you know, it was kind of safe to just like, oh, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.480 you know, it isn't just jay Z that I'm looking 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:18.960 at or can you wess and these people who were 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:20.640 kind of like, you know, they are having a great time, 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.240 they're in the club, you know that you know, whatever 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.240 it might be, which is great and there's something to 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.120 aspire to. But then there's also this guy that has 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.840 all of that seemingly, but it's also you know, talking 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:30.800 about how low he is and and you know, and 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.400 how he's feeling and in you know, in some dark topics, 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.760 you know. And I think that that really for me 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.079 is when I felt really music touched me, like really 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.480 really touched me and really made me feel in those 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.080 moments that I wasn't just observing somebody having a great 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.400 time or observing an artist living the best life, but 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.040 I was actually getting an insight into who that artist 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:50.640 was as a person. 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:52.520 It maybe really discover myself too. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.160 You know, how important is it to you to reach 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:57.320 people with your music? 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.760 I think as much as I hope to. Obviously that's 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.680 something that's outside of my control, but I definitely would love, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.960 like my wish, you know, for my music is, you know, 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.120 if I have any sort of bearing on that is 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.560 to be able to offer something that is kind of 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.160 musically a stude hopefully that you can listen to, you 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.200 can group to, you can dance to without you know, 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.320 or get something from without necessarily having to be a 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:25.160 music buff or like, you know, something like that, you 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:26.959 could just anybody could listen to it, you know, and 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:28.960 get something from it and be like, Yo, that's really cool. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.320 But also if you have you know, something else going on, 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.240 or you're really going for a tough time, or you're 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.320 just not in a great place, that you can also 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:37.200 get something from it too, you know, but it's not 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.360 necessarily exclusive to that. So I hope would be to 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.880 offer something that, like I say, sort of stands up 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:44.280 in its own kind of musicality and has something interesting 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.760 to offer to music. I mean, as crazy grandiose as 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.920 that sounds like in whatever capacity, but also you know, 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.960 has something to offer the soul, you know, if you 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:53.400 need that. 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:56.240 If you need that, well, how does it make you 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.360 feel when you witness someone who has experience into that 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:01.800 joy from your music. 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.520 I think it's a really humbling experience For me. I 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.319 think that is more important than anything else. Like if 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:11.640 somebody just, oh my god, dil you know, this song 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.360 just did this many streams, Oh my god, look at 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.760 the analytics on this or this just did this, Like 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:17.679 that stuff is great or you know, if oh, he's 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:19.560 an award for this like whatever, that stuff is great. 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.720 But I really feel like the one message or the 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:24.280 one DM I get from people like, oh my god, listen, 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:25.480 I've just been going for a really a tough time 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.800 and I heard this song and I can't even like 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.560 begin to tell you how that's connected with me or 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.640 how it's made me feel, because I feel like I 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.920 can relate to that. I've been been in that dark place, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.880 you know, and I've been yeah, and really that has 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:40.120 been my whole kind of mission with my music, and 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:41.720 what I'm doing is to be able to give back 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.000 what music has given me, you know. 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.280 So that's how I respond to that. 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:46.680 That's such a beautiful sentiment. 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:50.640 And you're just you're just so uplifting in person, let 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:55.080 alone all of your music. What role does live performance 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:59.000 play in your musical journey and how does it differ 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.560 from the studio experience, you know, in terms of healing 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.200 and connection with your fans and and with people. 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.360 You know what, This is a really interesting, interesting question 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.520 because I think as much as I can kind of like, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.760 you know, philosophize about you know, the kind of inner 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.080 workings of my you know sort of you know ethical 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.280 or like moral dilemmas with my music or you know, 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.200 my artistic vision or you know whatever it might be, 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.600 the cafarts of making music or you know, releasing music. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.880 Actually it's quite quite funny because when I actually began, 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:29.960 you know, doing a live show for the first time, 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:33.520 you know, just before my first album, and I actually 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:38.280 found that I was like terribly terribly, like like absolutely 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.800 nerve shatteringly terrified of being on stage, like so so 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.520 bad because not so not so much even performing, but 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.160 actually like I feel like almost like you know, putting 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:49.800 this in my music and putting that out there and 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.040 sort of you know, putting up on on a you know, 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.280 on a DSP or kind of you know, putting up 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.240 for people to listen to our streaming services or whatever. 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.720 It is like there's something safe about that, but you 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:00.960 don't have that same safety when you're in a crowd 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.840 of people, you know what I mean. Even now, you know, 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.120 talking talking to you here through the screen and being 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:06.800 able to you know, say that is one thing, but 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:08.240 you know, to be able to connect with people in 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.080 the room and do that is something that I didn't 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:11.800 even realize that I was. I was so I was 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:14.680 so so terribly scared of it. Actually felt like the 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.040 only way I could describe it is that when I 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:18.400 walked into the microphone, it literally felt as though like 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.280 I don't know, I was I was there and I 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:22.800 was completely naked, and everybody was like, oh my god, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:24.440 this guy. You know, it was so like it's so 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.200 shatter literally nerving, you know, but I kind of but yeah, 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:30.040 I really began to kind of lean into that I 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:31.640 had a you know, it took me a little while 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:32.880 to get there, and it took me a while to 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.320 really feel like I could have a live show that 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.240 not only brought something to like the live scene offered something, 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.520 you know, unique experience for somebody who's coming down and 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:43.560 getting tickets, but also I feel comfortable really me as 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.920 a person, like sharing my experience as people on stage, 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.360