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Speaker 1: recapping all the baseball If anyone leaves this sporting event
Speaker 1: and miss is a great comeback, then that's on them,
Speaker 1: especially in the playoffs. But we do know some fans
Speaker 1: have made mistakes before, and maybe some fans in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles yesterday might have left. Dodgers were down five two
Speaker 1: in the eighth inning. They'd never come back when they
Speaker 1: were trailing by three or more after seven innings in
Speaker 1: their long postseason history, so what's la do. They turned
Speaker 1: to Cody Bellinger, the former MVP who hit just one
Speaker 1: sixty five on the season, but Bellinger, putting that behind him,
Speaker 1: a three run homer tied the game. Mookie Betts delivered
Speaker 1: the game winner and they win six to five. They
Speaker 1: now trail Atlanta two one in the series. Doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like that that they're down to one, but after those wins,
Speaker 1: those kind of winds, those sometimes feel like more than
Speaker 1: just one victory. A few more outs in this series
Speaker 1: could have been basically over, but now Los Angeles has
Speaker 1: momentum and they head into Game four. Each game has
Speaker 1: been decided late by just one run for the Dodgers
Speaker 1: and Braves fans. It's exhausting for the rest of US.
Speaker 1: It's fun baseball, and I started to wonder about Cody Bellinger.
Speaker 1: Cody Bellinger, you know, when you're getting late into a game,
Speaker 1: has been great in the postseason so far, and you
Speaker 1: know that's what you want. He struggled but found a
Speaker 1: way to somehow be able to come up with a
Speaker 1: big hit. And you know, it was a rough regular
Speaker 1: season for him. But the Dodgers, they're ten to o
Speaker 1: against the Braves in their last ten meetings at Dodger Stadium,
Speaker 1: twenty three and four against the Braves and Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 1: That goes back to the twenty thirteen National League Division Series.
Speaker 1: The Astros, meanwhile, they tied their game at two two
Speaker 1: in the eighth inning, then blew it open seven US
Speaker 1: in the ninth inning, beating the Red Sox and evening
Speaker 1: the American League Championship Series at two games apiece. And
Speaker 1: once again the Astros do it. They scored all their
Speaker 1: runs in the ninth inning with two outs, matching the
Speaker 1: most runs in an inning with two outs in postseason history.
Speaker 1: They're great with two outs. They've scored thirty six two
Speaker 1: outruns this postseason. That's the most by any American League
Speaker 1: team prior to the World Series in baseball history. That
Speaker 1: clutched gene that they still had. And you know, you
Speaker 1: can start to look at some of the calls because
Speaker 1: in the postseason we care about this, a strike here,
Speaker 1: a ball here, a misscall here, And it just felt
Speaker 1: like it was bad for both teams last night in Fenway,
Speaker 1: and I know there's going to be this cry for
Speaker 1: all we need to have, you know, robotic umpires or
Speaker 1: do what Tennis does where you have a strike zone
Speaker 1: and you have a beep when it's in and you
Speaker 1: know there's no beep when it's not. We're not there yet.
Speaker 1: I would just love for these umpires to have to
Speaker 1: answer after a game, just to say, give us an
Speaker 1: idea of what you're looking at, because if you're missing
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty pitches in a game, including a big
Speaker 1: one in the ninth inning, then you know, that can
Speaker 1: change a series, That can change the fate for players, managers, gms,
Speaker 1: certainly the fans. And I don't think we're there yet
Speaker 1: with the robotic umpire or you're going to have a
Speaker 1: strike zone, an automated strike zone, but I do think
Speaker 1: we'll get to it, because if you have the technology,
Speaker 1: why not use the technology, and I know you're going
Speaker 1: to get the old school, which I'm supposed to be
Speaker 1: part of the gonna go oh, you gotta that's part
Speaker 1: of the flavor of the game where the umpire misses
Speaker 1: a call. Okay, but then is it the flavor when
Speaker 1: he misses a call at first base or at home
Speaker 1: plate or second base. No, it's not the flavor. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's part of the folklore. That's what makes the game
Speaker 1: so great. The interpretation of a strike zone really not
Speaker 1: for me. If I'm a pitcher, do I go ah?
Speaker 1: It's part of the game. It's part of the personality
Speaker 1: of it. He just missed that call there, Nathan Vivaldi
Speaker 1: is probably not going. Man, that's part of the game.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm all right with that. I never understood
Speaker 1: why umpires would give great pitchers more latitude or longitude
Speaker 1: when it came to a strength zone. You know, when
Speaker 1: you're going to Greg Maddox, it's Greg Maddox, you gotta
Speaker 1: give him that. Or Tom Glavin like, no, it's like
Speaker 1: a phantom foul that Michael Jordan would go to the
Speaker 1: hoop and you knew somebody was going to get whistled
Speaker 1: for a foul, whether he found him or not. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's Michael Jordan. Don't you give that to the guys
Speaker 1: who aren't as good to help him out a little bit.
Speaker 1: But this is always going to be that curiosity of
Speaker 1: I don't I just don't know why baseball doesn't go
Speaker 1: this is how we call a strike, and this is
Speaker 1: how we call a ball, not you know, I always
Speaker 1: give the high strike. You know, I never give that
Speaker 1: eye strike. You know I'll give you on the black,
Speaker 1: And I never understood that it shouldn't it be Do
Speaker 1: we do that in any other sport where you got
Speaker 1: an official, maybe a back judge in the NFL goes
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to I'd like to let you
Speaker 1: put your hands on the wide receiver, or I don't
Speaker 1: let you put your hand on the wide receiver. No,
Speaker 1: this is how you call a game. But for some reason,
Speaker 1: we've allowed Joe West and some of these other umpires
Speaker 1: for decades to be able to have their own personality.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if baseball's headed in that direction.
Speaker 1: But there were some pitches in the Red Sox Astros
Speaker 1: game where I went, man, oh man, this guy's and
Speaker 1: I don't want to mention names. He was consistently bad,
Speaker 1: you know, and he was consistent for both teams, just bad.
Speaker 1: And you go, how does baseball not and this is
Speaker 1: supposed to be your elite umpires, this is a postseason,
Speaker 1: this is a reward here, and you're going, I'm missing
Speaker 1: something here. And I know sometime as the angle that camera,
Speaker 1: that centerfield camera, it's not really right, you know, behind
Speaker 1: second base looking in it's off to the side a
Speaker 1: little bit, so it is deceiving. But they do have
Speaker 1: stats analytics of course, that will tell you what is
Speaker 1: a missed call, and miss call usually means it has
Speaker 1: to be six inches outside of the strike zone. If
Speaker 1: you miss a call, it's got to be kind of
Speaker 1: a blatant missed call, not just something that's on the edge.
Speaker 1: But watching last night yesterday, they see a different game
Speaker 1: than I do. And I don't think it's great for baseball,
Speaker 1: not when you're at this stage of the season and
Speaker 1: you had that on display last night. Yes, PAULI, it
Speaker 1: was interesting though. Red Sox fans are very upset because
Speaker 1: you have all these curveball they thought was a strike
Speaker 1: and the ending would have been over to been tied
Speaker 1: to two, but it's the ninth inning. If that umpire
Speaker 1: was having a tight strike zone side to side nine
Speaker 1: innings in, shouldn't the pitchers know this. Shouldn't they be
Speaker 1: discussing the dugout and realize you may not get that
Speaker 1: pitch that you and you by the ninth inning, you
Speaker 1: would know what that ump is doing. You're tracking every pitch.
Speaker 1: That's all the pitching coaches do. They should know what
Speaker 1: they can get in. Yeah, but that wasn't one of
Speaker 1: those where you go, yeah, he's not going to give
Speaker 1: that to me. That was one of those where that's strike.
Speaker 1: That's it, that's strike, and then they show it from
Speaker 1: up above and then you see it where it goes
Speaker 1: over the plate, because sometimes you can throw a breaking
Speaker 1: ball and it sort of comes around the plate and
Speaker 1: then where the catcher catches it. That was where's it
Speaker 1: going to go over the plate? Oh yeah, that's inside corn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's definitely a strike. Actually that was an outside part
Speaker 1: of the plate. But that was strike. Absolutely. Yeah. You
Speaker 1: gotta do like Kelley Jansen the Dodgers, just strike everybod
Speaker 1: take the umpire out of it. Yeah, that was great.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of drama there and I was busy.
Speaker 1: I was busy. I was La centric, although I flipped
Speaker 1: around a little bit. I was watching the Lakers. I
Speaker 1: watched the Bucks get their championship rings, and uh, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about that in a little bit. I thought it
Speaker 1: was wonderful. That was great, great night there in Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, you got the Nats in town
Speaker 1: and they rough them up. You honest look great, but
Speaker 1: flipping them back and forth. I'm watching the Dodgers game
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking man five two or they're not doing
Speaker 1: anything offensively, and Bellinger hits a ball and this is
Speaker 1: how it sounded on KLAC, the Dodgers Radio Network, with
Speaker 1: Charlie Steiner with the call, how don't fun all the
Speaker 1: right center field? It's well, hit is a pre run, Hollinger.
Speaker 1: We've put a new game. It's time of fun. You know,
Speaker 1: it's little things. Sometimes he got on bass in the
Speaker 1: Giant Series with a walk, and then Taylor hits the
Speaker 1: home run. And then this one that pitches up and
Speaker 1: went after it. I didn't think it was out and
Speaker 1: it just kept carrying into the night. And Charlie Steiner
Speaker 1: with the call, mcleviny got a pull question for me,
Speaker 1: do you want to put up. Should they computerize the
Speaker 1: strike zone just see what the fans are It's kind
Speaker 1: of like a negative question, but I still don't totally
Speaker 1: get why they're not doing it to some extent, I
Speaker 1: don't know how you know the rhythm of the game,
Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. The games are so
Speaker 1: long now, ye, I mean sometimes thirty forty five an
Speaker 1: hour longer than they used to be. The Dodgers using
Speaker 1: nine pitchers. I mean, the games are just long. I
Speaker 1: don't want them to go longer. I want them to
Speaker 1: get the call right. But I just don't know. If
Speaker 1: we remember, replay was instant replay and then it's now
Speaker 1: just called replay because it takes forever. And I think
Speaker 1: the game. You can have a four hour game, but
Speaker 1: I like a four hour game when it actually moves along,
Speaker 1: not let's start stop, start stop, start stop. And that
Speaker 1: would be my biggest apprehension here. How do you then
Speaker 1: signal a strike? Is there a sound effect? Is there
Speaker 1: a red light or a blue light that comes on? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how they would do that, but I'd
Speaker 1: be curious about it, and I'm open to it. It's
Speaker 1: just because I watched baseball or you know, a better
Speaker 1: part of fifty years. And you sometimes will watch and
Speaker 1: you know that umpire doesn't like that hitter or doesn't
Speaker 1: like that pitcher, plain and simple, I'm going to give
Speaker 1: you that pitch. I'm not giving you that pitch. I
Speaker 1: remember talking to somebody in baseball. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: want to even hint at who it was, but they
Speaker 1: talked about a hitter and said, he's always going to
Speaker 1: get if he takes a pitch, he's going to get
Speaker 1: that call always. And I want why because and I
Speaker 1: was told because he's bleeping Wade Bogs. And I went, so,
Speaker 1: Wade Boggs takes a pitch, the umpire knows Wade Bogs
Speaker 1: is going to be correct more than the umpire will be.
Speaker 1: And this is coming from somebody who is a person
Speaker 1: of authority who would say, yeah, that you have umpire.
Speaker 1: Because when when this is brought up, when they have
Speaker 1: these meetings and you know, somebody say, hey, you know
Speaker 1: these pitches or the you know these are outside in
Speaker 1: their minds, they're like, who's at the plate? Did they
Speaker 1: take a pitch? And if they if Bonds took a pitch,
Speaker 1: if Tony Gwynn took a pitch. If Wade Boggs took
Speaker 1: a pitch, that umpire knows, man, I I don't want
Speaker 1: to be I don't want to show up Wade Bogs,
Speaker 1: Tony Glenn Bert, you like these guys don't make mistakes. There,
Speaker 1: that's Wade ff and Bons. Yes, Paul Tony Gwynn, the
Speaker 1: great guy from the Padres. He only got kicked out
Speaker 1: of one game in his career. And the story goes
Speaker 1: that he was arguing with the umpire, which was Joe
Speaker 1: West by the way, and he goes, you know how
Speaker 1: I know that pitch was a ball because I didn't
Speaker 1: swing at it. And that was the opening line of
Speaker 1: the argument. By the way, Cody Bellinger in the seventh
Speaker 1: inning or later this postseason is batting five seventy one.
Speaker 1: That's the highest average by any player with more than
Speaker 1: five plate appearances. All right, we'll take a break. There's
Speaker 1: a lot to yet too, and we'll certainly talk to
Speaker 1: Bob Costas about the baseball. This situation in Philadelphia is
Speaker 1: not getting better anytime soon. Ben Simmons basically said, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't want to practice, and now he's been suspended.
Speaker 1: Crazy day yesterday, I thought, okay, this is. This is
Speaker 1: when Ben grows up and he shows he's tough, like
Speaker 1: I still don't know why. Who is Ben mad At?
Speaker 1: That's why I want to know. Marcus Hayes, who covers
Speaker 1: this seventy six ers for the Philly Inquirer. He was
Speaker 1: great last time he was on. Don't I don't know
Speaker 1: what is going to change here, but it feels like
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons is trying to act like James Harden, except
Speaker 1: for he's not as good as James Harden. Harden wanted
Speaker 1: out of Houston, got out of Houston. Ben Simmons is
Speaker 1: not as good. And we'll recap what happened with the
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Speaker 1: before we check in with Marcus Hayes, the Philadelphia Inquire columnist,
Speaker 1: here's some comments yesterday, Doc Rivers on kicking Ben Simmons
Speaker 1: out of practice. It was a distraction today. I didn't
Speaker 1: think he wanted to do what everybody else was doing,
Speaker 1: and it was early. It wasn't a big deal. Just
Speaker 1: tell him he should leave. Then we went on with practice,
Speaker 1: and then joe Llnbad talked to the media about Ben
Speaker 1: Simmons at this fine. I don't care about that man. Honestly,
Speaker 1: he does whatever he wants. Uh. You know that's not
Speaker 1: my job. You know, that's those guys jobs. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm only focused on trying to make the team better. Uh,
Speaker 1: win some games. Uh, you know, play hard every night,
Speaker 1: trying to lead the guys that we have here. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure that feel the same way, because you know,
Speaker 1: our chemistry has been excellent despite you know, everything that's
Speaker 1: been happening in the last few months. Uh So, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't I don't really care. Oh
Speaker 1: but wait, there's one more from joe Ll nbad. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, our job is not
Speaker 1: to babysite somebody. Uh. You know we got we get
Speaker 1: paid up. We're just on the car, go on, play hard,
Speaker 1: win some games. Uh, that's how we get paid for.
Speaker 1: We don't get paid to come out here and you know,
Speaker 1: trying to baby see somebody. So I saw our job
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that is courtesy MDC Sports Philadelphia. Let's
Speaker 1: bring it in. Mark his Hayes to Philadelphia Inquire a columnist,
Speaker 1: what the hell happened yesterday? They've had enough. They've just
Speaker 1: had enough. I mean Ben's been there for, you know,
Speaker 1: counting his quarantine, more than a week, and he hasn't
Speaker 1: engaged with his teammates. He won't acknowledge people in the building.
Speaker 1: He talks to the d guess the G League coaches now,
Speaker 1: but he won't talk to his own coaches. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's he's committing careers suicide because zan I mean, what
Speaker 1: team is going to take a chance that he's not
Speaker 1: going to do the same thing with them once he
Speaker 1: lands there. Who is he mad at? He's mad at
Speaker 1: Doc Rivers for not continuing to defend him and not
Speaker 1: promoting him as a point guard. At the end of
Speaker 1: last season when they lost Game seven, one of my colleagues,
Speaker 1: David Murphy, he asked, Doc, do you think Ben can
Speaker 1: be the point guard of a championships team? And Doc
Speaker 1: clearly doesn't as Doc was a point guard himself in
Speaker 1: a very similar point guard too Ben Simmons, And he said,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't answer that question. He didn't
Speaker 1: say yes, that's the problem. And then after Doc spoke,
Speaker 1: Joel Embiid was asked, what do you think the turning
Speaker 1: point of the game was, and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: when we didn't make the when we didn't take the
Speaker 1: dunk with three and a half minutes left. So he's
Speaker 1: mad at down, he's embarrassed by the reaction from him
Speaker 1: not taking that dunk, and he's kind of he's in
Speaker 1: a spot, I think personally where he thinks a fresh
Speaker 1: start changes everything, where Philadelphia is mean to him, and
Speaker 1: if he gets out of Philadelphia everything will be better,
Speaker 1: because you know, we're in nineteen we're in eighteen fifteen,
Speaker 1: and nobody knows what happened in Philadelphia. Wherever he goes next.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's thinking there, what happens today.
Speaker 1: Nothing I mean he doesn't go. He didn't fly with
Speaker 1: the team. He's not with them for their first game tonight.
Speaker 1: And the Sixers are weird because they never practice after
Speaker 1: the day after the game, especially a road game, so
Speaker 1: they won't practice tomorrow. Doc Rivers said, Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens Thursday. Well, nothing's gonna happen Thursday.
Speaker 1: Guys come in for treatment if they want it. They
Speaker 1: maybe do some film stuff. Ben won't be asking to
Speaker 1: do the film stuff because he wasn't involved in the game,
Speaker 1: So it'll be before the shoot around Friday before we
Speaker 1: know kind of where the next shoe drops, because there
Speaker 1: won't be another practice, so I don't expect him to
Speaker 1: play anytime soon. I think Doc has had enough finally,
Speaker 1: after a year of carrying water, lying for Ben Simmons,
Speaker 1: you know, and insulting anyone who deigned to ask, well,
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons has these deficiencies? Can you fix them? This way?
Speaker 1: This way? That? Oh, you have to treasure him, he's special.
Speaker 1: I think he's embarrassed of how he acted last year.
Speaker 1: Feels betrayed. So does Joel Embiide, who carried water for
Speaker 1: him a lot. So I just don't think he's going
Speaker 1: to play or get paid more importantly until he capitulates,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that that's going to happen anytime
Speaker 1: soon either. I just wonder he's trying to take the
Speaker 1: James Harden approach. He's just not as good as James Harden.
Speaker 1: Like James Harden is still valuable even if he's out
Speaker 1: of shape and doesn't want to play for Houston. Ben
Speaker 1: Simmons still can't shoot. He's still a liability in certain
Speaker 1: areas here. Who's gonna want to trade for him? Like,
Speaker 1: do you have actual teams that would actually be interested
Speaker 1: in him? I mean, I think Cleveland would be interested
Speaker 1: in him, in him as a as a rebuilding centerpiece
Speaker 1: to sort of do whatever he wants and market the team,
Speaker 1: but certainly no contender. I mean, he's putting himself in
Speaker 1: a position where no team that is viable can risk
Speaker 1: his psychology, can risk his mental state. Not to mention
Speaker 1: the shooting, I mean, I think he'd be a spectacular
Speaker 1: powerful you know, Dennis Rodman with a handle, Draymond Green
Speaker 1: with you know, better, even better passing ability. Maybe not
Speaker 1: as good a defender as Draymond, but he wants to
Speaker 1: be a point guard, and he wants to do things
Speaker 1: his own way, and he wants to be a point
Speaker 1: guard who doesn't have to shoot and doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be accountable. So it's it's a very very small box.
Speaker 1: But I think it's a place like Cleveland where things
Speaker 1: are horrible and they need they need a centerpiece is
Speaker 1: a spot they just don't have anything the Sixers would
Speaker 1: be interested in trading for to make them decent. You know,
Speaker 1: they don't have pieces in Cleveland that can play, that
Speaker 1: can break the starting lineup. Well, I look at Ben.
Speaker 1: You can't put him in a situation where it's a
Speaker 1: high pressure situation. He really has to go to a
Speaker 1: team that doesn't have any chance of winning. Therefore, he
Speaker 1: doesn't get into these situations where he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: shoot a big free throw or make a big play
Speaker 1: a big dunk. And I agree with you, he's not
Speaker 1: a point guard's he wants to be Magic Johnson. Well,
Speaker 1: Magic played at a time when he didn't need to
Speaker 1: have a jumper. He did get a jumper, or at
Speaker 1: least a said shot. Ben doesn't have that. You can
Speaker 1: be six to nine and have a good handle, but
Speaker 1: in today's NBA, if you're gonna play the point. You
Speaker 1: got to be able to make free throws, and you
Speaker 1: gotta at least be respectable from you know, fifteen to
Speaker 1: eighteen feet or like Jannis, I mean, you have to
Speaker 1: be willing to fail. That's the issue with Ben. It's
Speaker 1: not that he can't make free throws. I mean he
Speaker 1: hasn't lately. But it's not that he can't make free
Speaker 1: throws at a clip where you don't hack a Ben
Speaker 1: in the middle of the game. I mean that that's
Speaker 1: kind of over and he's he's not a good shooter,
Speaker 1: but you can shoot thirty one percent from fifteen feet
Speaker 1: and out and still be a threat. I mean, your
Speaker 1: head fake works, but he won't do it like Jannis
Speaker 1: has is not a good shooter, is a you know,
Speaker 1: there's a ritual that you know, road teams go through
Speaker 1: to embarrassed amount of free throw line. But he's so great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's so courageous. He's such a man that he doesn't
Speaker 1: care about that because he wants to win and he
Speaker 1: wants to do what's right. He wants to do what's best.
Speaker 1: And that's the paradox with Ben. He wants to go
Speaker 1: somewhere to win, but he doesn't want to do what
Speaker 1: it takes to win. Yeah, well, when you've been coddled.
Speaker 1: And we talked about this the last time, that you
Speaker 1: know why I love Jannis because he had to prove himself.
Speaker 1: He works hard every mean, he's still working hard, and
Speaker 1: he's not afraid of being laughed at embarrassed because he
Speaker 1: just wants to be great. Ben gets laughed at and
Speaker 1: then he wants to go into a show and then
Speaker 1: say stop doing that to me. Instead of being a man,
Speaker 1: step up and go, hey, I'm gonna be great. I
Speaker 1: want to be great. I want to prove everybody wrong.
Speaker 1: And he just hey, send me someplace else, all right,
Speaker 1: He'll send you someplace else. And then what happens when
Speaker 1: things go wrong? Well, I mean, in your profession, you've
Speaker 1: been at the pinnacle of your profession for years, right,
Speaker 1: I'm near the top of my profession. I have looked
Speaker 1: ridiculous thousands of time, even you know, after I arrived
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm sure there are types of Dan Patrick
Speaker 1: out there you don't want anybody to see. But that's
Speaker 1: what it takes to become better. And that's the other
Speaker 1: thing that people don't realize about. Ben Simmons just because
Speaker 1: he looks like an Adonis and he's ripped up and
Speaker 1: he's got a good handle, it doesn't mean he's much
Speaker 1: better than he was when he got here from LSU.
Speaker 1: He has not progressed as a player or a person.
Speaker 1: You know, he went to LSU under you know protest,
Speaker 1: tanked for a year and was the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1: His plan worked. But he's the same person that I
Speaker 1: met in New York City in the ballroom at to
Speaker 1: Hilton in the pre draft of media availability. Six years later.
Speaker 1: It's the same guy. He's the same spoiled, entouraged, immature, narcissistic, smart,
Speaker 1: capable athlete that he was back then. He just hasn't
Speaker 1: he hasn't grown. I remember when Obie got embarrassed when
Speaker 1: he was eighteen years of age, the airball and the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and but you know that was motivation. All the great
Speaker 1: players are motivated something. Jordan would you know, create something
Speaker 1: to be motivated. You know, Magic was motivated. He wanted
Speaker 1: to beat Bird. Bird was motivated like the greats want
Speaker 1: to be motivated. I don't know what motivates Ben Simmons.
Speaker 1: Money and attention, that's all he cares about. That's all
Speaker 1: he's ever cared about money and attention. I mean, Kobe
Speaker 1: misses a free throw, he builds a gym in his
Speaker 1: house to practice free throws at three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: You know, Michael Jordan gets beat up his first year
Speaker 1: in the NBA. He goes back to UNC and he
Speaker 1: starts working out with the track team and the football
Speaker 1: team to get stronger and faster. You're not seeing Ben,
Speaker 1: you know, working out with the Australian rules football team
Speaker 1: national team or the rugby team to get stronger and
Speaker 1: faster and better and tougher. You know, he's going to
Speaker 1: Wimbledon with pretty ladies. You know, he's buying a house.
Speaker 1: He's going on Instagram and he's showing you on Instagram
Speaker 1: or Twitter a video of him making a jump shot
Speaker 1: that he never takes in the game. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's insane. I mean, I don't care if you make
Speaker 1: a thousand of them in this gym with your trainer,
Speaker 1: take one in a game. What happens on Friday night.
Speaker 1: I just think it's I think we're in this folding
Speaker 1: pattern for a while and he'll be fined more. And
Speaker 1: I think it's some point the Sixers may seek relief,
Speaker 1: you know, like a breach of contract thing and try
Speaker 1: to get out of the deal, but they're not going
Speaker 1: to trade him for nothing. They're not gonna let him win.
Speaker 1: Darryl Moore is a very difficult guy to deal with,
Speaker 1: the Sixers president, and you know, he'll stand on principle
Speaker 1: until he can't stand any longer. And he's gonna win this.
Speaker 1: He really, he really is. I mean, clutch sports and
Speaker 1: Rich Paul and Lebron James is a conglomerate, are going
Speaker 1: to take a big l here, and the the biggest
Speaker 1: losers going to be bad because he's gonna be if
Speaker 1: he if he plays again, and that's a possibility. If
Speaker 1: he plays again, he's never going to be respected. He's
Speaker 1: going to be a pariah no matter where he's at.
Speaker 1: When he's on the road, he's he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: laughing stock and he's gonna lose hundreds of millions of
Speaker 1: potential dollars in earnings. It's just it's suicide. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got a small window in the next one month
Speaker 1: to get over himself, come back and play here and
Speaker 1: play well and get traded to a good team and refurbishes,
Speaker 1: it refurbishes, it resurrect himself. But that's probably the end
Speaker 1: of the window. Great to talk to you has always
Speaker 1: got a lot to write about there, Marcus, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us again, buddy, Mike Pleasure, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: That's Marcus Hayes, Philadelphia Inquire a columnist. Yeah, I wondered.
Speaker 1: I thought he would come back, he would play nice,
Speaker 1: he'd play hard, and then still everybody would know that
Speaker 1: you're still going to move him. But seventy sixers are
Speaker 1: probably going to have to budge off of what their
Speaker 1: demands are for him because they still want top dollar
Speaker 1: for Ben Simmons. But you got to put yourself in
Speaker 1: a position if you're another team, like why do I
Speaker 1: want to bring him to Cleveland? If I'm Cleveland? Okay,
Speaker 1: we're nondescript. Hey, come out and watch the guy that
Speaker 1: Philadelphia didn't want. Is he gonna get better? And does
Speaker 1: he want to get better? And you know at some
Speaker 1: point he's got somebody has to help him, because that's
Speaker 1: probably the biggest problem here. You have Lebron James's agency here,
Speaker 1: Rich Paul, Like, I don't know, how are you advising him? Hey,
Speaker 1: this is what you're gonna do. How about you work out,
Speaker 1: but you have your cell phone in your pants while
Speaker 1: you're you're warming up, And then he refused to check
Speaker 1: in for a drill. Yeah, that'll do it. Yes, that'll
Speaker 1: teach them. Okay, you know, maybe Philadelph is realizing what
Speaker 1: we said three months ago. Can't have him come back.
Speaker 1: You don't want him back. Don't act like you want
Speaker 1: him back. And that everybody was like, no, we do,
Speaker 1: we really want They were choosing their words carefully. Joel enbid, Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course we want him back. No, you don't doc No,
Speaker 1: we want him back. You know all this nonsense. You
Speaker 1: don't want him, you didn't want him. You're stuck with him,
Speaker 1: and you should have moved him for whatever you can
Speaker 1: move him for, because now it impacts your team. You know,
Speaker 1: you got to play it. You got to play a
Speaker 1: season here. But just because you can send him someplace
Speaker 1: or he thinks he gets a rebirth restart, that doesn't
Speaker 1: change who he is. When it gets down to a
Speaker 1: serious moment or you're playing in a big game again,
Speaker 1: what happens. Then you gotta get tough, gotta get tougher,
Speaker 1: and you got to understand you need to work on
Speaker 1: your game. It's just when you're so gifted, you're that tall,
Speaker 1: that kind of handle, you've been coddled all your life.
Speaker 1: You're the number one pick, you go in. Hey, I've
Speaker 1: been Defensive Player of the Year, I've been an All Star. Okay,
Speaker 1: all those things are great. What happens when a game
Speaker 1: is on the line. Who are you? What are you?
Speaker 1: And that's where you have to look at yourself in
Speaker 1: the mirror and say, I'm a failure. I'm afraid to shoot,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to the line, I don't
Speaker 1: want the ball. That's a failure. And that's where you
Speaker 1: have to look at yourself. You could be mad at
Speaker 1: Doc because and I said at the time, Doc was
Speaker 1: honest with what he said, but it was a Musclice situation.
Speaker 1: Can you win a championship with him? And Doc said,
Speaker 1: I don't know because he doesn't know. But he should
Speaker 1: have said absolutely, just lie absolutely, Joe lmbid, Hey, you
Speaker 1: know what, Ben will grow from this, and he should
Speaker 1: have taken it to the hoop and dunked it. And
Speaker 1: if you get fouled, you go to line, you knock down.
Speaker 1: As we know, he can't like must lie situations. They
Speaker 1: didn't do it, but Ben is going to hold them
Speaker 1: accountable for that. Yep. If your doc rivers, do you
Speaker 1: play Ben Simmons and start him on Friday night? No? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: so he it's a continued suspension. Yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. You don't want him out there? I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, I would go the opposite. Yeah, like, if
Speaker 1: you want to embarrass him, go ahead, what about there
Speaker 1: for forty eight minutes? Yeah, so you don't even let
Speaker 1: him dress because you don't want him on the bank,
Speaker 1: him in the building. Yeah, no, no, you quit on us.
Speaker 1: I don't want you. Yea, I completely I'm being facetious anymore.
Speaker 1: I would absolutely start him and say go ahead, get
Speaker 1: your reception from the fans before you leave out. But
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to play. Then he could choose to
Speaker 1: walk out on the team. But I'm not suspending you.
Speaker 1: You walk out and don't show us already taking himself
Speaker 1: out of practice. He already quit on you. He was
Speaker 1: suspended from practice, he was sent home. It's from a
Speaker 1: financial standpoint. If they say you're showing up Friday and
Speaker 1: you're starting and let him eat whatever the fans send
Speaker 1: to him. He doesn't want to show up for the game.
Speaker 1: I'm sure financially that changes his contracts. Well, I'm sure
Speaker 1: the Sixers are gonna seek financial relief here with him
Speaker 1: that he doesn't want to play. And if you do
Speaker 1: play him, does that make things any better? Yeah, mclub.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of worried that they're heading toward a scenario
Speaker 1: where they get nothing for him, like absolutely, even the
Speaker 1: point they might have to give up a first round
Speaker 1: to have someone take that contract, like where they Well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like a trades happen. It feels like
Speaker 1: a release has happened. Why didn't they do this back
Speaker 1: in July when we when we talked about this, all
Speaker 1: those trade offers that were out there might not be
Speaker 1: out there anymore. I don't even know what was out
Speaker 1: there because I don't want him as my point guard.
Speaker 1: And I haven't heard many rumors where you go. You know,
Speaker 1: I heard Golden State, but that was just a rumor.
Speaker 1: And and you know, do you trade Draymond Green and
Speaker 1: one of the younger players and you get Ben's Like
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that was true or not.
Speaker 1: But Ben is not a point guard. He would be
Speaker 1: a really good power forward. I don't he doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be on the perimeter. He can he's a point
Speaker 1: forward right now. But I love him when he takes
Speaker 1: to the hoop, all right. I love when he takes
Speaker 1: to the hoop. And he does have a great hand
Speaker 1: and he's a good passer. But I don't want him
Speaker 1: with that. They want me to shoot threes. He wants
Speaker 1: to be a point guard. He just doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to act like a point guard. Yep, mclenn. Do you
Speaker 1: think there was anything to that Kyrie Irving rumor? Was
Speaker 1: that wishful report? I don't even know if anyone reporter
Speaker 1: that's hey, we'll give you. If I'm Philly, I don't
Speaker 1: want Kyrie Irving. It's better than Ben Simmons for nothing.
Speaker 1: It is now until Kyrie says, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I want to play on days that end, and why
Speaker 1: they all do? Oh well, all right, I'm gonna play,
Speaker 1: you know, every full moon here. But do fans always
Speaker 1: think this is the time Kyrie's got to straightened it
Speaker 1: out and give us a title. Well, good luck with that.
Speaker 1: Good luck that, Kyrie. It's a different kind of drama.
Speaker 1: Kyrie can play. Does he want to play? Ben can't
Speaker 1: play the way he thinks he's supposed to play and
Speaker 1: that's dangerous too. Yeah, mclemen. Also to the Calves. Have
Speaker 1: young guards. Everybody's got like Colin Sexton. I want those guys,
Speaker 1: I don't want them. Get some youth and some speed.
Speaker 1: Sexton's just a gunner. He's a way better shooter than
Speaker 1: Ben Simmage. Think I'm a better shooter than Ben. I
Speaker 1: just say, get any young body in there that can
Speaker 1: play some basketball instead of there's not even to play.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, all right, let me take a break.
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Speaker 1: recap that the Milwaukee Bucks got their championship rings last night.
Speaker 1: They're awesome. Got the big deer on the front and
Speaker 1: it's also a pendant, so it's out of a James
Speaker 1: Bond movie, like you can take off the top of
Speaker 1: it and then you can use it as a pendant
Speaker 1: a necklace. There over under the cost of those rings, Paulie,
Speaker 1: do you want to set the over under? Do you
Speaker 1: want to do closest to the hall? We're gonna play
Speaker 1: even tougher on you, Okay, I'll give you some details.
Speaker 1: Three hundred and sixty diamonds on the ring total represents
Speaker 1: the number of victories since the current ownership group took
Speaker 1: over sixteen emerald shaped diamonds. I got four point one
Speaker 1: four carrots total. Okay. Closest to the hall sounds like
Speaker 1: my engagement ring. Then come my wife. And this is
Speaker 1: an estimate, it's not an exact Okay, Todd start with you.
Speaker 1: Two hundred and seventy three thousand and six hundred dollars. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's each all right. McLevin. Seventy five thousand right,
Speaker 1: Seaton O'Connor, I'm gonna go twenty five thousand, twenty five thousand.
Speaker 1: I think it's somewhere between Seaton and Fritzie of twenty
Speaker 1: five and two hundred and whatever. Todd said you were
Speaker 1: seventy three. Okay, the franchise would have to close down
Speaker 1: if they spent two hundred and five thousand a ring.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go fifty two five. The estimate is twenty
Speaker 1: three thousand. Just over, Sorry, what over? No, you were
Speaker 1: closest to the whole. I don't think you said if
Speaker 1: you went over, So I'll give that too. We're going
Speaker 1: best ball. Yeah, that's all right. What was your goot? Friends?
Speaker 1: Two hundred and seventy three thousand dollars six hundred. Do
Speaker 1: you remember the steak dinner you took us to in Toronto?
Speaker 1: The five of us went to a really nice steak dinner.
Speaker 1: You bought wine for the table, I mean big steaks.
Speaker 1: This was like a night out and we're playing guests.
Speaker 1: The price of the bill and Friendzye goes one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty three dollars something like that. I learned my lesson.
Speaker 1: I went way over this time. And then you said
Speaker 1: to me something like that's like the cost of like
Speaker 1: a couple of cups of the wine. I said, the
Speaker 1: wine wasn't even that it was more than that. Well,
Speaker 1: obviously you don't pick up checks that. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: you go to Applebee's and then I realize while there
Speaker 1: was a couple of desserts involved, that if your appetizers
Speaker 1: and maybe it's like three hundred dollars. The Lakers lost
Speaker 1: last night. Now, I'm not going to overreact because I
Speaker 1: said I wasn't going to overreact when people were going
Speaker 1: to overreact. Now in January, I would overreact to what
Speaker 1: I saw last night. Russell Westbrook is going to have
Speaker 1: an adjustment period and it's going to be a couple
Speaker 1: of months. They don't have a healthy team right now.
Speaker 1: They don't have depth. Golden State took advantage of that.
Speaker 1: Their bench scored like fifty five points last night. Lebron
Speaker 1: and Ad had good statistical games. But I just don't
Speaker 1: want to jump shooting team. I want Russ getting to
Speaker 1: the hoop. I want Lebron getting to the hoop. Lebron
Speaker 1: as he gets older, relies on that jumper a lot
Speaker 1: more more than I would like him to. But I
Speaker 1: understand doesn't want to go to the hoop get fouled ad.
Speaker 1: I don't want him floating outside. I want him inside dominating.
Speaker 1: But Golden State didn't play a great game and Golden
Speaker 1: State won, So you've got to factor that in as well.
Speaker 1: You can't just look at it from through a Laker lens.
Speaker 1: You have to look at it through Golden State as well.
Speaker 1: Steph Curry had a triple double, but he didn't play well.
Speaker 1: But you're looking at Russell Westbrook and if you're surprised
Speaker 1: that he can shoot, that you have forgotten about the
Speaker 1: last decade of Russell Westbrook. I would my strategy would
Speaker 1: be I'm gonna let Russ shoot all he wants. In fact,
Speaker 1: I'll let just about everybody shoot as much as they want.
Speaker 1: I don't want Mellow. You know, if I'm a defender,
Speaker 1: I still have to respect Mellow's ability to hit jumpers.
Speaker 1: But you know they're gonna it's gonna be an adjustment period.
Speaker 1: I'm playing simple. Let's wait till everybody is back. It's
Speaker 1: a healthy roster. But I think you know what to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on is when does Lebron say to Russ,
Speaker 1: I'll take the ball because Russ always has to have
Speaker 1: the ball, and he's not good with his pull up jumpers.
Speaker 1: He's not a good three point shooter. He can get
Speaker 1: to the hoop, and that's where I would want from him,
Speaker 1: get to the hoop or get to the hoop and
Speaker 1: kick it out. But it was only one game. I'm
Speaker 1: going to wait until after Christmas before I'm going to
Speaker 1: actually give you a true assessment of what I think
Speaker 1: will happen with the Lakers because there are so many
Speaker 1: new bodies there, different bodies there. Not sure what Dwight
Speaker 1: Howard was doing last night or why they got DeAndre Jordan.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, but you have to be
Speaker 1: fair to a team that adds new pieces like this.
Speaker 1: But that's not the debut that you thought you were
Speaker 1: gonna have. You thought, Okay, they might not look great,
Speaker 1: but they're still going to pick up a victory. But
Speaker 1: Golden State didn't look good when they got the victory
Speaker 1: last night. Yeah, po Lakers shot forty seven percent from
Speaker 1: the free throw line. That was fun. That's not good.
Speaker 1: They were from three, they were thirty six percent. Ben
Speaker 1: Simmons thinks they shot well from the free throw line.
Speaker 1: I have a basketball idea, but I think it's probably dumb.
Speaker 1: Could you ever see a situation where Russell Westbrook and
Speaker 1: the Lakers, he was used like Andre Iguodala when he
Speaker 1: went to the Warriors. Igadala was a starter the first
Speaker 1: ten years of his career, then went to the bench,
Speaker 1: but he was the bench player and the guy off
Speaker 1: the bench. Image that second unit came in with Russell Westbrook,
Speaker 1: Carmelo Anthony, Rajon Rondo, and the other team gets that
Speaker 1: as the next unit instead of the first unit, and
Speaker 1: then rus can be full blast. Yeah, but Andrea Gudala
Speaker 1: was a really good defender for Golden State and they
Speaker 1: didn't have to rely on him offensively like he was.
Speaker 1: He's a former great scorer and had that ability, but
Speaker 1: he was known as a defender as much as anything. Yeah, McLevin,
Speaker 1: I would worry about this stability of the basket from
Speaker 1: the Rondo Westbrook Anthony. I mean, come on, all right,
Speaker 1: that is a rough shooting ship. Rido. By the way,
Speaker 1: it's all of a sudden a better three point shooter
Speaker 1: than Westbrook. It's weird. I'm a better three point shooter
Speaker 1: than Westbrook, but he keeps shooting and it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm wide open. There's a reason why you're wide you know,
Speaker 1: great players normally aren't wide open. Great shooters normally aren't
Speaker 1: wide open. When you're wide open, that doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: should be shooting. There's a reason why you're wide open.
Speaker 1: Like Lonzo Ball, I'm wide open. Yeah, don't shoot. Ben Simmons,
Speaker 1: I'm a wide open don't shoot, although Ben doesn't shoot
Speaker 1: all right. One hour in the books, Two more to go,
Speaker 1: Bob costs us a little bit later on, and what
Speaker 1: the Dodgers achieved last night. Who's got momentum going into
Speaker 1: these games? Today? And tonight? Our two? Dan Patrick Shall
Speaker 1: after this