WEBVTT - 10/20/21 DPS Hour 1 Marcus Hayes

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<v Speaker 1>recapping all the baseball If anyone leaves this sporting event

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<v Speaker 1>and miss is a great comeback, then that's on them,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the playoffs. But we do know some fans

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<v Speaker 1>have made mistakes before, and maybe some fans in Los

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<v Speaker 1>Angeles yesterday might have left. Dodgers were down five two

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighth inning. They'd never come back when they

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<v Speaker 1>were trailing by three or more after seven innings in

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<v Speaker 1>their long postseason history, so what's la do. They turned

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<v Speaker 1>to Cody Bellinger, the former MVP who hit just one

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five on the season, but Bellinger, putting that behind him,

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<v Speaker 1>a three run homer tied the game. Mookie Betts delivered

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<v Speaker 1>the game winner and they win six to five. They

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<v Speaker 1>now trail Atlanta two one in the series. Doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>like that that they're down to one, but after those wins,

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<v Speaker 1>those kind of winds, those sometimes feel like more than

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<v Speaker 1>just one victory. A few more outs in this series

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<v Speaker 1>could have been basically over, but now Los Angeles has

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<v Speaker 1>momentum and they head into Game four. Each game has

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<v Speaker 1>been decided late by just one run for the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 1>and Braves fans. It's exhausting for the rest of US.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fun baseball, and I started to wonder about Cody Bellinger.

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<v Speaker 1>Cody Bellinger, you know, when you're getting late into a game,

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<v Speaker 1>has been great in the postseason so far, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know that's what you want. He struggled but found a

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<v Speaker 1>way to somehow be able to come up with a

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<v Speaker 1>big hit. And you know, it was a rough regular

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<v Speaker 1>season for him. But the Dodgers, they're ten to o

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<v Speaker 1>against the Braves in their last ten meetings at Dodger Stadium,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three and four against the Braves and Dodger Stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>That goes back to the twenty thirteen National League Division Series.

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<v Speaker 1>The Astros, meanwhile, they tied their game at two two

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighth inning, then blew it open seven US

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<v Speaker 1>in the ninth inning, beating the Red Sox and evening

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<v Speaker 1>the American League Championship Series at two games apiece. And

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<v Speaker 1>once again the Astros do it. They scored all their

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<v Speaker 1>runs in the ninth inning with two outs, matching the

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<v Speaker 1>most runs in an inning with two outs in postseason history.

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<v Speaker 1>They're great with two outs. They've scored thirty six two

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<v Speaker 1>outruns this postseason. That's the most by any American League

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<v Speaker 1>team prior to the World Series in baseball history. That

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<v Speaker 1>clutched gene that they still had. And you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>can start to look at some of the calls because

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<v Speaker 1>in the postseason we care about this, a strike here,

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<v Speaker 1>a ball here, a misscall here, And it just felt

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<v Speaker 1>like it was bad for both teams last night in Fenway,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know there's going to be this cry for

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<v Speaker 1>all we need to have, you know, robotic umpires or

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<v Speaker 1>do what Tennis does where you have a strike zone

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<v Speaker 1>and you have a beep when it's in and you

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<v Speaker 1>know there's no beep when it's not. We're not there yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I would just love for these umpires to have to

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<v Speaker 1>answer after a game, just to say, give us an

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<v Speaker 1>idea of what you're looking at, because if you're missing

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen to twenty pitches in a game, including a big

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<v Speaker 1>one in the ninth inning, then you know, that can

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<v Speaker 1>change a series, That can change the fate for players, managers, gms,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly the fans. And I don't think we're there yet

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<v Speaker 1>with the robotic umpire or you're going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>strike zone, an automated strike zone, but I do think

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get to it, because if you have the technology,

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<v Speaker 1>why not use the technology, and I know you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get the old school, which I'm supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>part of the gonna go oh, you gotta that's part

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<v Speaker 1>of the flavor of the game where the umpire misses

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<v Speaker 1>a call. Okay, but then is it the flavor when

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<v Speaker 1>he misses a call at first base or at home

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<v Speaker 1>plate or second base. No, it's not the flavor. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's part of the folklore. That's what makes the game

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<v Speaker 1>so great. The interpretation of a strike zone really not

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<v Speaker 1>for me. If I'm a pitcher, do I go ah?

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<v Speaker 1>It's part of the game. It's part of the personality

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<v Speaker 1>of it. He just missed that call there, Nathan Vivaldi

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<v Speaker 1>is probably not going. Man, that's part of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm all right with that. I never understood

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<v Speaker 1>why umpires would give great pitchers more latitude or longitude

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<v Speaker 1>when it came to a strength zone. You know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to Greg Maddox, it's Greg Maddox, you gotta

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<v Speaker 1>give him that. Or Tom Glavin like, no, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a phantom foul that Michael Jordan would go to the

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<v Speaker 1>hoop and you knew somebody was going to get whistled

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<v Speaker 1>for a foul, whether he found him or not. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Michael Jordan. Don't you give that to the guys

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<v Speaker 1>who aren't as good to help him out a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is always going to be that curiosity of

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I just don't know why baseball doesn't go

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<v Speaker 1>this is how we call a strike, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>how we call a ball, not you know, I always

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<v Speaker 1>give the high strike. You know, I never give that

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<v Speaker 1>eye strike. You know I'll give you on the black,

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<v Speaker 1>And I never understood that it shouldn't it be Do

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<v Speaker 1>we do that in any other sport where you got

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<v Speaker 1>an official, maybe a back judge in the NFL goes

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'd like to I'd like to let you

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<v Speaker 1>put your hands on the wide receiver, or I don't

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<v Speaker 1>let you put your hand on the wide receiver. No,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how you call a game. But for some reason,

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<v Speaker 1>we've allowed Joe West and some of these other umpires

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<v Speaker 1>for decades to be able to have their own personality.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if baseball's headed in that direction.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were some pitches in the Red Sox Astros

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<v Speaker 1>game where I went, man, oh man, this guy's and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to mention names. He was consistently bad,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and he was consistent for both teams, just bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And you go, how does baseball not and this is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be your elite umpires, this is a postseason,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a reward here, and you're going, I'm missing

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<v Speaker 1>something here. And I know sometime as the angle that camera,

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<v Speaker 1>that centerfield camera, it's not really right, you know, behind

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<v Speaker 1>second base looking in it's off to the side a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, so it is deceiving. But they do have

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<v Speaker 1>stats analytics of course, that will tell you what is

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<v Speaker 1>a missed call, and miss call usually means it has

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<v Speaker 1>to be six inches outside of the strike zone. If

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<v Speaker 1>you miss a call, it's got to be kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a blatant missed call, not just something that's on the edge.

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<v Speaker 1>But watching last night yesterday, they see a different game

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<v Speaker 1>than I do. And I don't think it's great for baseball,

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<v Speaker 1>not when you're at this stage of the season and

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<v Speaker 1>you had that on display last night. Yes, PAULI, it

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<v Speaker 1>was interesting though. Red Sox fans are very upset because

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<v Speaker 1>you have all these curveball they thought was a strike

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<v Speaker 1>and the ending would have been over to been tied

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<v Speaker 1>to two, but it's the ninth inning. If that umpire

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<v Speaker 1>was having a tight strike zone side to side nine

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<v Speaker 1>innings in, shouldn't the pitchers know this. Shouldn't they be

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<v Speaker 1>discussing the dugout and realize you may not get that

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<v Speaker 1>pitch that you and you by the ninth inning, you

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<v Speaker 1>would know what that ump is doing. You're tracking every pitch.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all the pitching coaches do. They should know what

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<v Speaker 1>they can get in. Yeah, but that wasn't one of

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<v Speaker 1>those where you go, yeah, he's not going to give

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<v Speaker 1>that to me. That was one of those where that's strike.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it, that's strike, and then they show it from

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<v Speaker 1>up above and then you see it where it goes

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<v Speaker 1>over the plate, because sometimes you can throw a breaking

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<v Speaker 1>ball and it sort of comes around the plate and

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<v Speaker 1>then where the catcher catches it. That was where's it

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<v Speaker 1>going to go over the plate? Oh yeah, that's inside corn. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's definitely a strike. Actually that was an outside part

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<v Speaker 1>of the plate. But that was strike. Absolutely. Yeah. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta do like Kelley Jansen the Dodgers, just strike everybod

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<v Speaker 1>take the umpire out of it. Yeah, that was great.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of drama there and I was busy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was busy. I was La centric, although I flipped

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<v Speaker 1>around a little bit. I was watching the Lakers. I

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<v Speaker 1>watched the Bucks get their championship rings, and uh, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that in a little bit. I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was wonderful. That was great, great night there in Milwaukee,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, you got the Nats in town

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<v Speaker 1>and they rough them up. You honest look great, but

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<v Speaker 1>flipping them back and forth. I'm watching the Dodgers game

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm thinking man five two or they're not doing

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<v Speaker 1>anything offensively, and Bellinger hits a ball and this is

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<v Speaker 1>how it sounded on KLAC, the Dodgers Radio Network, with

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Steiner with the call, how don't fun all the

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<v Speaker 1>right center field? It's well, hit is a pre run, Hollinger.

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<v Speaker 1>We've put a new game. It's time of fun. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's little things. Sometimes he got on bass in the

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<v Speaker 1>Giant Series with a walk, and then Taylor hits the

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<v Speaker 1>home run. And then this one that pitches up and

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<v Speaker 1>went after it. I didn't think it was out and

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<v Speaker 1>it just kept carrying into the night. And Charlie Steiner

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<v Speaker 1>with the call, mcleviny got a pull question for me,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to put up. Should they computerize the

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<v Speaker 1>strike zone just see what the fans are It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a negative question, but I still don't totally

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<v Speaker 1>get why they're not doing it to some extent, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how you know the rhythm of the game,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I want to know. The games are so

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<v Speaker 1>long now, ye, I mean sometimes thirty forty five an

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<v Speaker 1>hour longer than they used to be. The Dodgers using

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<v Speaker 1>nine pitchers. I mean, the games are just long. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want them to go longer. I want them to

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<v Speaker 1>get the call right. But I just don't know. If

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<v Speaker 1>we remember, replay was instant replay and then it's now

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<v Speaker 1>just called replay because it takes forever. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>the game. You can have a four hour game, but

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<v Speaker 1>I like a four hour game when it actually moves along,

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<v Speaker 1>not let's start stop, start stop, start stop. And that

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<v Speaker 1>would be my biggest apprehension here. How do you then

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<v Speaker 1>signal a strike? Is there a sound effect? Is there

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<v Speaker 1>a red light or a blue light that comes on? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how they would do that, but I'd

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<v Speaker 1>be curious about it, and I'm open to it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just because I watched baseball or you know, a better

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<v Speaker 1>part of fifty years. And you sometimes will watch and

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<v Speaker 1>you know that umpire doesn't like that hitter or doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>like that pitcher, plain and simple, I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 1>you that pitch. I'm not giving you that pitch. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember talking to somebody in baseball. I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to even hint at who it was, but they

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<v Speaker 1>talked about a hitter and said, he's always going to

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<v Speaker 1>get if he takes a pitch, he's going to get

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<v Speaker 1>that call always. And I want why because and I

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<v Speaker 1>was told because he's bleeping Wade Bogs. And I went, so,

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<v Speaker 1>Wade Boggs takes a pitch, the umpire knows Wade Bogs

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be correct more than the umpire will be.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is coming from somebody who is a person

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<v Speaker 1>of authority who would say, yeah, that you have umpire.

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<v Speaker 1>Because when when this is brought up, when they have

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<v Speaker 1>these meetings and you know, somebody say, hey, you know

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<v Speaker 1>these pitches or the you know these are outside in

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<v Speaker 1>their minds, they're like, who's at the plate? Did they

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<v Speaker 1>take a pitch? And if they if Bonds took a pitch,

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<v Speaker 1>if Tony Gwynn took a pitch. If Wade Boggs took

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<v Speaker 1>a pitch, that umpire knows, man, I I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be I don't want to show up Wade Bogs,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Glenn Bert, you like these guys don't make mistakes. There,

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<v Speaker 1>that's Wade ff and Bons. Yes, Paul Tony Gwynn, the

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<v Speaker 1>great guy from the Padres. He only got kicked out

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<v Speaker 1>of one game in his career. And the story goes

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<v Speaker 1>that he was arguing with the umpire, which was Joe

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<v Speaker 1>West by the way, and he goes, you know how

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<v Speaker 1>I know that pitch was a ball because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>swing at it. And that was the opening line of

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<v Speaker 1>the argument. By the way, Cody Bellinger in the seventh

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<v Speaker 1>inning or later this postseason is batting five seventy one.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the highest average by any player with more than

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<v Speaker 1>five plate appearances. All right, we'll take a break. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to yet too, and we'll certainly talk to

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Costas about the baseball. This situation in Philadelphia is

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<v Speaker 1>not getting better anytime soon. Ben Simmons basically said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to practice, and now he's been suspended.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy day yesterday, I thought, okay, this is. This is

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<v Speaker 1>when Ben grows up and he shows he's tough, like

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<v Speaker 1>I still don't know why. Who is Ben mad At?

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I want to know. Marcus Hayes, who covers

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<v Speaker 1>this seventy six ers for the Philly Inquirer. He was

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<v Speaker 1>great last time he was on. Don't I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what is going to change here, but it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Simmons is trying to act like James Harden, except

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<v Speaker 1>for he's not as good as James Harden. Harden wanted

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<v Speaker 1>out of Houston, got out of Houston. Ben Simmons is

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<v Speaker 1>not as good. And we'll recap what happened with the

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<v Speaker 1>here's some comments yesterday, Doc Rivers on kicking Ben Simmons

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<v Speaker 1>out of practice. It was a distraction today. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think he wanted to do what everybody else was doing,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was early. It wasn't a big deal. Just

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<v Speaker 1>tell him he should leave. Then we went on with practice,

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<v Speaker 1>and then joe Llnbad talked to the media about Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Simmons at this fine. I don't care about that man. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>he does whatever he wants. Uh. You know that's not

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<v Speaker 1>my job. You know, that's those guys jobs. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm only focused on trying to make the team better. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>win some games. Uh, you know, play hard every night,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to lead the guys that we have here. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that feel the same way, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>our chemistry has been excellent despite you know, everything that's

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<v Speaker 1>been happening in the last few months. Uh So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, I don't I don't really care. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>but wait, there's one more from joe Ll nbad. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, our job is not

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<v Speaker 1>to babysite somebody. Uh. You know we got we get

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<v Speaker 1>paid up. We're just on the car, go on, play hard,

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<v Speaker 1>win some games. Uh, that's how we get paid for.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't get paid to come out here and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to baby see somebody. So I saw our job

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure that is courtesy MDC Sports Philadelphia. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>bring it in. Mark his Hayes to Philadelphia Inquire a columnist,

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<v Speaker 1>what the hell happened yesterday? They've had enough. They've just

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<v Speaker 1>had enough. I mean Ben's been there for, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>counting his quarantine, more than a week, and he hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>engaged with his teammates. He won't acknowledge people in the building.

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<v Speaker 1>He talks to the d guess the G League coaches now,

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<v Speaker 1>but he won't talk to his own coaches. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's committing careers suicide because zan I mean, what

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<v Speaker 1>team is going to take a chance that he's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to do the same thing with them once he

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<v Speaker 1>lands there. Who is he mad at? He's mad at

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<v Speaker 1>Doc Rivers for not continuing to defend him and not

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<v Speaker 1>promoting him as a point guard. At the end of

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<v Speaker 1>last season when they lost Game seven, one of my colleagues,

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<v Speaker 1>David Murphy, he asked, Doc, do you think Ben can

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<v Speaker 1>be the point guard of a championships team? And Doc

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<v Speaker 1>clearly doesn't as Doc was a point guard himself in

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<v Speaker 1>a very similar point guard too Ben Simmons, And he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I can't answer that question. He didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say yes, that's the problem. And then after Doc spoke,

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<v Speaker 1>Joel Embiid was asked, what do you think the turning

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<v Speaker 1>point of the game was, and he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when we didn't make the when we didn't take the

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<v Speaker 1>dunk with three and a half minutes left. So he's

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<v Speaker 1>mad at down, he's embarrassed by the reaction from him

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<v Speaker 1>not taking that dunk, and he's kind of he's in

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<v Speaker 1>a spot, I think personally where he thinks a fresh

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<v Speaker 1>start changes everything, where Philadelphia is mean to him, and

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<v Speaker 1>if he gets out of Philadelphia everything will be better,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, we're in nineteen we're in eighteen fifteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody knows what happened in Philadelphia. Wherever he goes next.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what he's thinking there, what happens today.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing I mean he doesn't go. He didn't fly with

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<v Speaker 1>the team. He's not with them for their first game tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Sixers are weird because they never practice after

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<v Speaker 1>the day after the game, especially a road game, so

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<v Speaker 1>they won't practice tomorrow. Doc Rivers said, Hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see what happens Thursday. Well, nothing's gonna happen Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys come in for treatment if they want it. They

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<v Speaker 1>maybe do some film stuff. Ben won't be asking to

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<v Speaker 1>do the film stuff because he wasn't involved in the game,

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<v Speaker 1>So it'll be before the shoot around Friday before we

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<v Speaker 1>know kind of where the next shoe drops, because there

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<v Speaker 1>won't be another practice, so I don't expect him to

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<v Speaker 1>play anytime soon. I think Doc has had enough finally,

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<v Speaker 1>after a year of carrying water, lying for Ben Simmons,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and insulting anyone who deigned to ask, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Simmons has these deficiencies? Can you fix them? This way?

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<v Speaker 1>This way? That? Oh, you have to treasure him, he's special.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's embarrassed of how he acted last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Feels betrayed. So does Joel Embiide, who carried water for

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<v Speaker 1>him a lot. So I just don't think he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to play or get paid more importantly until he capitulates,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not sure that that's going to happen anytime

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<v Speaker 1>soon either. I just wonder he's trying to take the

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<v Speaker 1>James Harden approach. He's just not as good as James Harden.

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<v Speaker 1>Like James Harden is still valuable even if he's out

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<v Speaker 1>of shape and doesn't want to play for Houston. Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Simmons still can't shoot. He's still a liability in certain

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<v Speaker 1>areas here. Who's gonna want to trade for him? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have actual teams that would actually be interested

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<v Speaker 1>in him? I mean, I think Cleveland would be interested

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<v Speaker 1>in him, in him as a as a rebuilding centerpiece

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<v Speaker 1>to sort of do whatever he wants and market the team,

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<v Speaker 1>but certainly no contender. I mean, he's putting himself in

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<v Speaker 1>a position where no team that is viable can risk

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<v Speaker 1>his psychology, can risk his mental state. Not to mention

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<v Speaker 1>the shooting, I mean, I think he'd be a spectacular

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<v Speaker 1>powerful you know, Dennis Rodman with a handle, Draymond Green

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<v Speaker 1>with you know, better, even better passing ability. Maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>as good a defender as Draymond, but he wants to

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<v Speaker 1>be a point guard, and he wants to do things

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<v Speaker 1>his own way, and he wants to be a point

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<v Speaker 1>guard who doesn't have to shoot and doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be accountable. So it's it's a very very small box.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's a place like Cleveland where things

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<v Speaker 1>are horrible and they need they need a centerpiece is

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<v Speaker 1>a spot they just don't have anything the Sixers would

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<v Speaker 1>be interested in trading for to make them decent. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have pieces in Cleveland that can play, that

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<v Speaker 1>can break the starting lineup. Well, I look at Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't put him in a situation where it's a

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<v Speaker 1>high pressure situation. He really has to go to a

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<v Speaker 1>team that doesn't have any chance of winning. Therefore, he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't get into these situations where he doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot a big free throw or make a big play

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<v Speaker 1>a big dunk. And I agree with you, he's not

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<v Speaker 1>a point guard's he wants to be Magic Johnson. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Magic played at a time when he didn't need to

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<v Speaker 1>have a jumper. He did get a jumper, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least a said shot. Ben doesn't have that. You can

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<v Speaker 1>be six to nine and have a good handle, but

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<v Speaker 1>in today's NBA, if you're gonna play the point. You

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<v Speaker 1>got to be able to make free throws, and you

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<v Speaker 1>gotta at least be respectable from you know, fifteen to

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen feet or like Jannis, I mean, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be willing to fail. That's the issue with Ben. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not that he can't make free throws. I mean he

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<v Speaker 1>hasn't lately. But it's not that he can't make free

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<v Speaker 1>throws at a clip where you don't hack a Ben

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the game. I mean that that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of over and he's he's not a good shooter,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can shoot thirty one percent from fifteen feet

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<v Speaker 1>and out and still be a threat. I mean, your

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<v Speaker 1>head fake works, but he won't do it like Jannis

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<v Speaker 1>has is not a good shooter, is a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a ritual that you know, road teams go through

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<v Speaker 1>to embarrassed amount of free throw line. But he's so great. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's so courageous. He's such a man that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>care about that because he wants to win and he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to do what's right. He wants to do what's best.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the paradox with Ben. He wants to go

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere to win, but he doesn't want to do what

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<v Speaker 1>it takes to win. Yeah, well, when you've been coddled.

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<v Speaker 1>And we talked about this the last time, that you

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<v Speaker 1>know why I love Jannis because he had to prove himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He works hard every mean, he's still working hard, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's not afraid of being laughed at embarrassed because he

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<v Speaker 1>just wants to be great. Ben gets laughed at and

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<v Speaker 1>then he wants to go into a show and then

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<v Speaker 1>say stop doing that to me. Instead of being a man,

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<v Speaker 1>step up and go, hey, I'm gonna be great. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be great. I want to prove everybody wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>And he just hey, send me someplace else, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>He'll send you someplace else. And then what happens when

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<v Speaker 1>things go wrong? Well, I mean, in your profession, you've

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<v Speaker 1>been at the pinnacle of your profession for years, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm near the top of my profession. I have looked

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous thousands of time, even you know, after I arrived

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. I'm sure there are types of Dan Patrick

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<v Speaker 1>out there you don't want anybody to see. But that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it takes to become better. And that's the other

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<v Speaker 1>thing that people don't realize about. Ben Simmons just because

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<v Speaker 1>he looks like an Adonis and he's ripped up and

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a good handle, it doesn't mean he's much

0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:21.320
<v Speaker 1>better than he was when he got here from LSU.

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:25.200
<v Speaker 1>He has not progressed as a player or a person.

0:24:25.680 --> 0:24:28.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, he went to LSU under you know protest,

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:32.720
<v Speaker 1>tanked for a year and was the number one overall pick.

0:24:32.840 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>His plan worked. But he's the same person that I

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.440
<v Speaker 1>met in New York City in the ballroom at to

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Hilton in the pre draft of media availability. Six years later.

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 1>It's the same guy. He's the same spoiled, entouraged, immature, narcissistic, smart,

0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 1>capable athlete that he was back then. He just hasn't

0:24:57.400 --> 0:25:01.119
<v Speaker 1>he hasn't grown. I remember when Obie got embarrassed when

0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:04.200
<v Speaker 1>he was eighteen years of age, the airball and the playoffs,

0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:07.879
<v Speaker 1>and but you know that was motivation. All the great

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:12.840
<v Speaker 1>players are motivated something. Jordan would you know, create something

0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to be motivated. You know, Magic was motivated. He wanted

0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>to beat Bird. Bird was motivated like the greats want

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:22.960
<v Speaker 1>to be motivated. I don't know what motivates Ben Simmons.

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Money and attention, that's all he cares about. That's all

0:25:27.200 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>he's ever cared about money and attention. I mean, Kobe

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.119
<v Speaker 1>misses a free throw, he builds a gym in his

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 1>house to practice free throws at three o'clock in the morning.

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, Michael Jordan gets beat up his first year

0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:39.520
<v Speaker 1>in the NBA. He goes back to UNC and he

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 1>starts working out with the track team and the football

0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.400
<v Speaker 1>team to get stronger and faster. You're not seeing Ben,

0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, working out with the Australian rules football team

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:51.199
<v Speaker 1>national team or the rugby team to get stronger and

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:53.920
<v Speaker 1>faster and better and tougher. You know, he's going to

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Wimbledon with pretty ladies. You know, he's buying a house.

0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>He's going on Instagram and he's showing you on Instagram

0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:06.639
<v Speaker 1>or Twitter a video of him making a jump shot

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:11.600
<v Speaker 1>that he never takes in the game. It's it's it's

0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:14.200
<v Speaker 1>it's insane. I mean, I don't care if you make

0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:17.159
<v Speaker 1>a thousand of them in this gym with your trainer,

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 1>take one in a game. What happens on Friday night.

0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.040
<v Speaker 1>I just think it's I think we're in this folding

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:28.680
<v Speaker 1>pattern for a while and he'll be fined more. And

0:26:29.520 --> 0:26:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it's some point the Sixers may seek relief,

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:35.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, like a breach of contract thing and try

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:36.399
<v Speaker 1>to get out of the deal, but they're not going

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 1>to trade him for nothing. They're not gonna let him win.

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Darryl Moore is a very difficult guy to deal with,

0:26:42.359 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the Sixers president, and you know, he'll stand on principle

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:50.119
<v Speaker 1>until he can't stand any longer. And he's gonna win this.

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>He really, he really is. I mean, clutch sports and

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Rich Paul and Lebron James is a conglomerate, are going

0:26:57.040 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>to take a big l here, and the the biggest

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 1>losers going to be bad because he's gonna be if

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 1>he if he plays again, and that's a possibility. If

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:10.879
<v Speaker 1>he plays again, he's never going to be respected. He's

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:13.520
<v Speaker 1>going to be a pariah no matter where he's at.

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>When he's on the road, he's he's gonna be a

0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:19.879
<v Speaker 1>laughing stock and he's gonna lose hundreds of millions of

0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>potential dollars in earnings. It's just it's suicide. I mean,

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 1>he's got a small window in the next one month

0:27:27.359 --> 0:27:30.879
<v Speaker 1>to get over himself, come back and play here and

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>play well and get traded to a good team and refurbishes,

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 1>it refurbishes, it resurrect himself. But that's probably the end

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.119
<v Speaker 1>of the window. Great to talk to you has always

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 1>got a lot to write about there, Marcus, thanks for

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.359
<v Speaker 1>joining us again, buddy, Mike Pleasure, thanks for having me.

0:27:46.440 --> 0:27:49.919
<v Speaker 1>That's Marcus Hayes, Philadelphia Inquire a columnist. Yeah, I wondered.

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>I thought he would come back, he would play nice,

0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>he'd play hard, and then still everybody would know that

0:27:57.040 --> 0:27:59.679
<v Speaker 1>you're still going to move him. But seventy sixers are

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 1>probably going to have to budge off of what their

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:05.000
<v Speaker 1>demands are for him because they still want top dollar

0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:07.439
<v Speaker 1>for Ben Simmons. But you got to put yourself in

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.679
<v Speaker 1>a position if you're another team, like why do I

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 1>want to bring him to Cleveland? If I'm Cleveland? Okay,

0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:17.439
<v Speaker 1>we're nondescript. Hey, come out and watch the guy that

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:21.640
<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia didn't want. Is he gonna get better? And does

0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>he want to get better? And you know at some

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:31.200
<v Speaker 1>point he's got somebody has to help him, because that's

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 1>probably the biggest problem here. You have Lebron James's agency here,

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Rich Paul, Like, I don't know, how are you advising him? Hey,

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>this is what you're gonna do. How about you work out,

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:47.760
<v Speaker 1>but you have your cell phone in your pants while

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>you're you're warming up, And then he refused to check

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 1>in for a drill. Yeah, that'll do it. Yes, that'll

0:28:56.560 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>teach them. Okay, you know, maybe Philadelph is realizing what

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>we said three months ago. Can't have him come back.

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 1>You don't want him back. Don't act like you want

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>him back. And that everybody was like, no, we do,

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 1>we really want They were choosing their words carefully. Joel enbid, Yeah,

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of course we want him back. No, you don't doc No,

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>we want him back. You know all this nonsense. You

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.720
<v Speaker 1>don't want him, you didn't want him. You're stuck with him,

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and you should have moved him for whatever you can

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>move him for, because now it impacts your team. You know,

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 1>you got to play it. You got to play a

0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:38.520
<v Speaker 1>season here. But just because you can send him someplace

0:29:38.600 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 1>or he thinks he gets a rebirth restart, that doesn't

0:29:42.120 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 1>change who he is. When it gets down to a

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>serious moment or you're playing in a big game again,

0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:52.719
<v Speaker 1>what happens. Then you gotta get tough, gotta get tougher,

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 1>and you got to understand you need to work on

0:29:56.400 --> 0:30:00.840
<v Speaker 1>your game. It's just when you're so gifted, you're that tall,

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 1>that kind of handle, you've been coddled all your life.

0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 1>You're the number one pick, you go in. Hey, I've

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 1>been Defensive Player of the Year, I've been an All Star. Okay,

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:12.760
<v Speaker 1>all those things are great. What happens when a game

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 1>is on the line. Who are you? What are you?

0:30:15.720 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 1>And that's where you have to look at yourself in

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the mirror and say, I'm a failure. I'm afraid to shoot,

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to go to the line, I don't

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>want the ball. That's a failure. And that's where you

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 1>have to look at yourself. You could be mad at

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Doc because and I said at the time, Doc was

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.000
<v Speaker 1>honest with what he said, but it was a Musclice situation.

0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Can you win a championship with him? And Doc said,

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know because he doesn't know. But he should

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 1>have said absolutely, just lie absolutely, Joe lmbid, Hey, you

0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>know what, Ben will grow from this, and he should

0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>have taken it to the hoop and dunked it. And

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>if you get fouled, you go to line, you knock down.

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>As we know, he can't like must lie situations. They

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't do it, but Ben is going to hold them

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.440
<v Speaker 1>accountable for that. Yep. If your doc rivers, do you

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 1>play Ben Simmons and start him on Friday night? No? No, no, no,

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>so he it's a continued suspension. Yeah, you know, I

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know. You don't want him out there? I mean,

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.479
<v Speaker 1>come on, I would go the opposite. Yeah, like, if

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>you want to embarrass him, go ahead, what about there

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.400
<v Speaker 1>for forty eight minutes? Yeah, so you don't even let

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 1>him dress because you don't want him on the bank,

0:31:28.640 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>him in the building. Yeah, no, no, you quit on us.

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't want you. Yea, I completely I'm being facetious anymore.

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>I would absolutely start him and say go ahead, get

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:41.640
<v Speaker 1>your reception from the fans before you leave out. But

0:31:41.640 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to play. Then he could choose to

0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>walk out on the team. But I'm not suspending you.

0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:48.560
<v Speaker 1>You walk out and don't show us already taking himself

0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 1>out of practice. He already quit on you. He was

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>suspended from practice, he was sent home. It's from a

0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 1>financial standpoint. If they say you're showing up Friday and

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>you're starting and let him eat whatever the fans send

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:00.959
<v Speaker 1>to him. He doesn't want to show up for the game.

0:32:00.960 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure financially that changes his contracts. Well, I'm sure

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the Sixers are gonna seek financial relief here with him

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that he doesn't want to play. And if you do

0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:15.120
<v Speaker 1>play him, does that make things any better? Yeah, mclub.

0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of worried that they're heading toward a scenario

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>where they get nothing for him, like absolutely, even the

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 1>point they might have to give up a first round

0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 1>to have someone take that contract, like where they Well,

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't feel like a trades happen. It feels like

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 1>a release has happened. Why didn't they do this back

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 1>in July when we when we talked about this, all

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>those trade offers that were out there might not be

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 1>out there anymore. I don't even know what was out

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>there because I don't want him as my point guard.

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 1>And I haven't heard many rumors where you go. You know,

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 1>I heard Golden State, but that was just a rumor.

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 1>And and you know, do you trade Draymond Green and

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the younger players and you get Ben's Like

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if that was true or not.

0:32:56.440 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 1>But Ben is not a point guard. He would be

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 1>a really good power forward. I don't he doesn't need

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to be on the perimeter. He can he's a point

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 1>forward right now. But I love him when he takes

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>to the hoop, all right. I love when he takes

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:16.400
<v Speaker 1>to the hoop. And he does have a great hand

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and he's a good passer. But I don't want him

0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 1>with that. They want me to shoot threes. He wants

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.239
<v Speaker 1>to be a point guard. He just doesn't know how

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>to act like a point guard. Yep, mclenn. Do you

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 1>think there was anything to that Kyrie Irving rumor? Was

0:33:30.840 --> 0:33:33.320
<v Speaker 1>that wishful report? I don't even know if anyone reporter

0:33:33.480 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>that's hey, we'll give you. If I'm Philly, I don't

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>want Kyrie Irving. It's better than Ben Simmons for nothing.

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 1>It is now until Kyrie says, I don't know if

0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I want to play on days that end, and why

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 1>they all do? Oh well, all right, I'm gonna play,

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, every full moon here. But do fans always

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 1>think this is the time Kyrie's got to straightened it

0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>out and give us a title. Well, good luck with that.

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Good luck that, Kyrie. It's a different kind of drama.

0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Kyrie can play. Does he want to play? Ben can't

0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 1>play the way he thinks he's supposed to play and

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>that's dangerous too. Yeah, mclemen. Also to the Calves. Have

0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>young guards. Everybody's got like Colin Sexton. I want those guys,

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't want them. Get some youth and some speed.

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Sexton's just a gunner. He's a way better shooter than

0:34:31.440 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Ben Simmage. Think I'm a better shooter than Ben. I

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>just say, get any young body in there that can

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 1>play some basketball instead of there's not even to play.

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.239
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<v Speaker 1>The Great Bob Costas doing hosting duties. Will join us

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit later on talk about the baseball and

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<v Speaker 1>recap that the Milwaukee Bucks got their championship rings last night.

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<v Speaker 1>They're awesome. Got the big deer on the front and

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<v Speaker 1>it's also a pendant, so it's out of a James

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<v Speaker 1>Bond movie, like you can take off the top of

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<v Speaker 1>it and then you can use it as a pendant

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<v Speaker 1>a necklace. There over under the cost of those rings, Paulie,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to set the over under? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do closest to the hall? We're gonna play

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<v Speaker 1>even tougher on you, Okay, I'll give you some details.

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<v Speaker 1>Three hundred and sixty diamonds on the ring total represents

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<v Speaker 1>the number of victories since the current ownership group took

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<v Speaker 1>over sixteen emerald shaped diamonds. I got four point one

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<v Speaker 1>four carrots total. Okay. Closest to the hall sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>my engagement ring. Then come my wife. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>an estimate, it's not an exact Okay, Todd start with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Two hundred and seventy three thousand and six hundred dollars. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's each all right. McLevin. Seventy five thousand right,

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<v Speaker 1>Seaton O'Connor, I'm gonna go twenty five thousand, twenty five thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's somewhere between Seaton and Fritzie of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five and two hundred and whatever. Todd said you were

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<v Speaker 1>seventy three. Okay, the franchise would have to close down

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<v Speaker 1>if they spent two hundred and five thousand a ring.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go fifty two five. The estimate is twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand. Just over, Sorry, what over? No, you were

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<v Speaker 1>closest to the whole. I don't think you said if

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<v Speaker 1>you went over, So I'll give that too. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>best ball. Yeah, that's all right. What was your goot? Friends?

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<v Speaker 1>Two hundred and seventy three thousand dollars six hundred. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember the steak dinner you took us to in Toronto?

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<v Speaker 1>The five of us went to a really nice steak dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>You bought wine for the table, I mean big steaks.

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<v Speaker 1>This was like a night out and we're playing guests.

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<v Speaker 1>The price of the bill and Friendzye goes one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and sixty three dollars something like that. I learned my lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>I went way over this time. And then you said

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<v Speaker 1>to me something like that's like the cost of like

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of cups of the wine. I said, the

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<v Speaker 1>wine wasn't even that it was more than that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you don't pick up checks that. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you go to Applebee's and then I realize while there

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<v Speaker 1>was a couple of desserts involved, that if your appetizers

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe it's like three hundred dollars. The Lakers lost

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<v Speaker 1>last night. Now, I'm not going to overreact because I

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<v Speaker 1>said I wasn't going to overreact when people were going

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<v Speaker 1>to overreact. Now in January, I would overreact to what

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<v Speaker 1>I saw last night. Russell Westbrook is going to have

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<v Speaker 1>an adjustment period and it's going to be a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of months. They don't have a healthy team right now.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have depth. Golden State took advantage of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Their bench scored like fifty five points last night. Lebron

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<v Speaker 1>and Ad had good statistical games. But I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to jump shooting team. I want Russ getting to

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<v Speaker 1>the hoop. I want Lebron getting to the hoop. Lebron

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<v Speaker 1>as he gets older, relies on that jumper a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more more than I would like him to. But I

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<v Speaker 1>understand doesn't want to go to the hoop get fouled ad.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want him floating outside. I want him inside dominating.

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<v Speaker 1>But Golden State didn't play a great game and Golden

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<v Speaker 1>State won, So you've got to factor that in as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just look at it from through a Laker lens.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to look at it through Golden State as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Steph Curry had a triple double, but he didn't play well.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're looking at Russell Westbrook and if you're surprised

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<v Speaker 1>that he can shoot, that you have forgotten about the

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<v Speaker 1>last decade of Russell Westbrook. I would my strategy would

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<v Speaker 1>be I'm gonna let Russ shoot all he wants. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll let just about everybody shoot as much as they want.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want Mellow. You know, if I'm a defender,

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<v Speaker 1>I still have to respect Mellow's ability to hit jumpers.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know they're gonna it's gonna be an adjustment period.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm playing simple. Let's wait till everybody is back. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy roster. But I think you know what to

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<v Speaker 1>keep an eye on is when does Lebron say to Russ,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take the ball because Russ always has to have

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<v Speaker 1>the ball, and he's not good with his pull up jumpers.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not a good three point shooter. He can get

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<v Speaker 1>to the hoop, and that's where I would want from him,

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<v Speaker 1>get to the hoop or get to the hoop and

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<v Speaker 1>kick it out. But it was only one game. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to wait until after Christmas before I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>actually give you a true assessment of what I think

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<v Speaker 1>will happen with the Lakers because there are so many

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<v Speaker 1>new bodies there, different bodies there. Not sure what Dwight

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<v Speaker 1>Howard was doing last night or why they got DeAndre Jordan.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know, but you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>fair to a team that adds new pieces like this.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not the debut that you thought you were

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have. You thought, Okay, they might not look great,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're still going to pick up a victory. But

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<v Speaker 1>Golden State didn't look good when they got the victory

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<v Speaker 1>last night. Yeah, po Lakers shot forty seven percent from

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<v Speaker 1>the free throw line. That was fun. That's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>They were from three, they were thirty six percent. Ben

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<v Speaker 1>Simmons thinks they shot well from the free throw line.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a basketball idea, but I think it's probably dumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you ever see a situation where Russell Westbrook and

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<v Speaker 1>the Lakers, he was used like Andre Iguodala when he

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<v Speaker 1>went to the Warriors. Igadala was a starter the first

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<v Speaker 1>ten years of his career, then went to the bench,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was the bench player and the guy off

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<v Speaker 1>the bench. Image that second unit came in with Russell Westbrook,

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<v Speaker 1>Carmelo Anthony, Rajon Rondo, and the other team gets that

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<v Speaker 1>as the next unit instead of the first unit, and

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<v Speaker 1>then rus can be full blast. Yeah, but Andrea Gudala

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<v Speaker 1>was a really good defender for Golden State and they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have to rely on him offensively like he was.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a former great scorer and had that ability, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was known as a defender as much as anything. Yeah, McLevin,

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<v Speaker 1>I would worry about this stability of the basket from

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<v Speaker 1>the Rondo Westbrook Anthony. I mean, come on, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a rough shooting ship. Rido. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all of a sudden a better three point shooter

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<v Speaker 1>than Westbrook. It's weird. I'm a better three point shooter

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<v Speaker 1>than Westbrook, but he keeps shooting and it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wide open. There's a reason why you're wide you know,

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<v Speaker 1>great players normally aren't wide open. Great shooters normally aren't

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<v Speaker 1>wide open. When you're wide open, that doesn't mean you

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<v Speaker 1>should be shooting. There's a reason why you're wide open.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Lonzo Ball, I'm wide open. Yeah, don't shoot. Ben Simmons,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a wide open don't shoot, although Ben doesn't shoot

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<v Speaker 1>all right. One hour in the books, Two more to go,

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<v Speaker 1>Bob costs us a little bit later on, and what

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<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers achieved last night. Who's got momentum going into

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<v Speaker 1>these games? Today? And tonight? Our two? Dan Patrick Shall

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<v Speaker 1>after this