1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Hi everybody, it is ten pm. You know what, let 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: me turn this off just to be on safe side. 3 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Here we are, How are you hie? It's ten pm. 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: It is the fifteenth of January twenty twenty two, ten 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: pm East Coast time. Anyway, my name is Luke Thomas. 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: I am one half of Morning Combat. This is our 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: UFC Vegas forty six post fight show. I will do 8 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: this for about thirty forty five minutes or so. I 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: have a I should have put it up on this one. 10 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: I didn't think to do it. I have a tweet up. 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: It's not at this one. It's at l Thomas News. 12 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: You can put a question in there. We'll get to 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: it at the end of the program, and yeah, we'll 14 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: talk about the main event. There's not a whole lot 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: to get to beyond the main event, quite candidly, but 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: actually a lot to talk about in that main event. 17 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: Just a remarkable one to start the year off, a 18 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: UFC's first main event of the year. Very very very good, 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: and Michael Bisping had a word for it. Inspirational was 20 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: one of the things he says. I don't think that's 21 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: an exaggeration or wrong. I quite agree with him. A 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: lot to say, so thumbs up on the video please. 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: I'm assuming there's sound, Jesus Christ. If there's not, well, 24 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: then there's not. Thumbs up on the video. Hit subscribe. 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: If you are new here, yes, or if you've been 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: around and you've not subscribed at this point, do me 27 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 1: a solid throw me a subscribe. Yeah. Okay, with that 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: out of the way, let's talk about it. Let me 29 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: pull the results up here. Okay. And by the way, 30 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: I'm assuming if you're watching this you don't mind that 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: there are spoilers or whatever the fuck at this point. Okay, okay, 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: so if you don't want spoilers, now it's time to 33 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: go five four three two one, okay. All right. This 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: was UFC whatever you want to call it, Fight Night 35 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: cada Versus Chikazi, UC Vegas forty six, UFC whatever whatever 36 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: took place at the Apex facility, quite obviously, and Calvin 37 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,920 Speaker 1: Cator defeats Giga Chikazi fifty forty five fifty forty five 38 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: fifty forty four. And frankly, I'm not sure that that's 39 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: that's wrong. I wasn't scoring in real time, so I 40 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: can't exactly co sign on it. But when I first 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: heard it, I was a little bit surprised, but then 42 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: I was like, no, not necessarily, especially the way the 43 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: truly dominant ending. It had a little bit of that 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: Adasanja Gastolin Vibe. I think the fifth round of that contest, 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: when he really began to took over nearly secure the finish, 46 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: it was something close to that. Whether it's fifty to 47 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: forty five or fifty forty four is really not the point. Actually, 48 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: the point is much different than that, which is I 49 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: have to tell you this is one of them, This 50 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: is the sport is just constantly remarkable. Man, It's constantly remarkable. 51 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: That's really. You know, a lot of people fall in 52 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: and out of love, which you and also with MMA, 53 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, Like they had these real, 54 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: like passionate relationships with MMA and they kind of burn 55 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: out on them. And I'm always like, man, if you 56 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: just stick around and just kind of write it out, 57 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: you begin to realize that you have not seen it all. 58 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: It is relentlessly surprising. It is not that I thought 59 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: that Calvin Cator's career was somehow done or something like that. 60 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't mean to suggest that, but obviously I don't 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: think it's irrational or wrong to have at a merror 62 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: minimum curiosity about how he's going to look subsequent too, Dude. 63 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: One of the most historic beatings I've ever seen. Now, 64 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: I mean I've seen people injured worse than that, So 65 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: it's not the worst beating in that sense where it 66 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: was like the most gruesome, but certainly one of the 67 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: more prolonged ones. I mean it was it was a show. 68 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,119 Speaker 1: Whether you want to say you've seen someone get hurt 69 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: more in the process, perhaps, but something we can all 70 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: agree in UFC history. It's a bad one. It's a 71 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: really bad one. And you know, ChIL Sana was the 72 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: one who has really been actually I think, pretty correct 73 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: and steady about reminding people it's not just that people 74 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: get injured more in a five round versus a three round. 75 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: Quite obviously there's two more rounds, right, you're gonna get more, 76 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: but that the rate of injury is like exponential in 77 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: those championship round moments. Now, to what extent that's been 78 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: measured and verified, I don't know, but the outcomes certainly 79 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: feel that way after the fact, right, Like, I mean, 80 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: that was fucking brutal. First of all, Calvin Cator's broken 81 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: his nose a million times, it looks like. And I've 82 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: had him on my various shows through the years, and 83 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: I've talked to him like he's talked about all the 84 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: flights he's been on where his nose has been broken, 85 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: and like all the pressure from you know, changing atmospheres 86 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: has fucked him up, and and how awful it is, 87 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: and you know, having to breathe through like a kN 88 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: ninety five mass the whole time through your mouth when 89 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: you can't. It's just it's just, you know, it could 90 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 1: be a nightmare. A look like he broke it again. 91 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: Look like he broke it again, which I would just like, 92 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,239 Speaker 1: oh poor guy, man, Fuck, that is a that's gonna 93 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: be another shitty flight home, you know what I mean? 94 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:23,119 Speaker 1: Breathing through your mouth and then get at ja Kazi dude, 95 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: what can you say? G Let Lord have mercy. These 96 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: guys continue to impress me to do just want to you, 97 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, just when you think, like the 98 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: bar of what is just so routine at this point 99 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: and what is so excellent is so high again, We've 100 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: had this conversation a million times. I understand mma fatigue. 101 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: I certainly understand MMA overload. But when you just kind 102 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: of learned to surf out a steady medium like I've done, 103 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: you just begin to realize that, like you know, at 104 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: that in the way in which I am consuming it, 105 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: you just see just these roof teen demonstrations of excellence, 106 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: excellence in what certainly occupational specialties jiu jitsu and kickboxing. 107 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: You saw a little bit of that tonight in certain respects, 108 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: but in Giga Chakanzi's case, which is what we're talking 109 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: about here, dude, is I mean I really hate the 110 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 1: fuck I'm me and my team we're built different. Like yes, 111 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, I bet, I bet, I bet You're different 112 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: in all kinds of ways. Uh. I really don't like it. 113 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: But then you know, it is sort of it is 114 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: sort of to the point, right, It's it's like intent, 115 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: it's you know, marketing has turned into this sort of 116 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: like ambiguous catch all kind of fun statement of you know, 117 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: excellence and defiance and a few other things. But you know, dude, 118 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: these some of these guys at the world class level, 119 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: I just don't think folks understand. Let me explain something. 120 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: In the in the Holloway fight with Cater, you'll get 121 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: people who walk into a gym and begin to spar 122 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: at some point, whether early or middle or late within 123 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: let's say a six to nine to a year month 124 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: to a year long period, they'll take one percent of 125 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: one percent of one, I mean a one percent of 126 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: nothing right to the nth degree of what Cater took 127 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: in that fight with Holloway, and they'll go out of 128 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: the gym and you'll never see him again. This is routine. 129 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: This is routine. Like when you look at the spectrum 130 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: of what tough looks like, like you know it's this 131 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: is what I mean. Man, You ever truly I've had 132 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: I've audited it. Man, I've audited it. You know, have 133 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: you ever really truly audited how tough you are? Like, 134 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: truly ever audited it? You know, I've I've tried, and 135 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to get the highest remarks 136 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: out there. That's reserved for folks like Gigashikazi didn't get 137 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: the war scores, you know, somewhere in a happy and 138 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: in a happy medium. But I at least know, man, 139 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: I know, you know, I know what the difference is 140 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: between between some of these groups. Man, I've seen it, 141 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: I've lived it. You know, and and there's been some 142 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: sorting that has happened, you know, and you can it's 143 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: it's unmistakable when it happens. Dude, Gigga Jakazi is fucking 144 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: built different man. That dude is tough as shit. And 145 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: Calvin Cator is too. He is tough physically, he is 146 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: tough mentally. Do both of those guys. That was just 147 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: a declaration of grittiness from both of you. It was 148 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: just fucking remarkable. Like this is what I mean. Like 149 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: it's a random Saturday. I don't even know how many 150 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: people are watching this shit. There's probably a lot of 151 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: MK fans are like, oh, Luke's doing a post by 152 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: show for this. Fuck that fucking fight card skip it. 153 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: You know, routine excellence and the way if you can 154 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: find the right the right way of length to get it. 155 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: And these two guys just it. I tweeted about it. 156 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: You know, these are the kind of fights. I haven't 157 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: gotten to the specific some of you yet. We'll get 158 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: into it. These are the kind of fights where you're 159 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: just watching in the middle of it, like, fuck, man, 160 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: I hope these guys are getting paid, you know. I 161 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: just I don't know if anyone else is that way. 162 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: If you are, you're like me. If not, I'm not. 163 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: You know, everyone's I'm not judging everyone's their own way, 164 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: you know. But that's just a natural thing that comes 165 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: to my mind. I'm watching Giga Chakaza get hit with, 166 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, spinning back elbows in the fifth landing with 167 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: the sound. You know, I don't know what the medical 168 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: diagnosis is, but it sounded like his face shattered when 169 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: it landed. And you're just like, and he stands and stumbles, 170 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: and then you know, is once more into the fucking breach. 171 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: You know, You're just like, dude, what are they getting paid? Man? 172 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: What are they getting paid? I don't I'm not going 173 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: to make this a huge hallmarker of a hallmark excuse 174 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: me of today's review of the results. Don't worry. I 175 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: will not be on a soapbox about it. But I'm 176 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: just being I'm leveling with the with the with the 177 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: with the audience here I'm watching this, I'm just going, fuck, 178 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: I I look, I'm gonna see if there's gonna be 179 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: what was in Nevada, Dave and Share payouts anymore. I 180 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: guess they don't. But you know, which is another problem 181 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: with the Apex is obviously great in many respects because 182 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: we get lots of MMA, but because Nevada has changed 183 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: the rules, we actually get a lot less information than 184 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,719 Speaker 1: we once got. So if they were on the road 185 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: any California more, we would have more information about this. 186 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: But you know, I guess we'll see what happens. But anyway, 187 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: sensational contest. Uh, And let's talk about Calvin cater I. 188 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: I I said before, he's got Michael Bisping's spirit to 189 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: to take a beating like that, and then you know 190 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: that long trip home and then you got to heal 191 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: from everything that happened. And I'm sure you know he's 192 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: gonna heal, probably better than a lot of us might. 193 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:52,319 Speaker 1: But nevertheless, that's just a lot of abuse. Man. It's 194 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: a ton you know, and and and a stinging rebuke 195 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: of the placement between you and and uh, you know, 196 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: and by his own acknowledgment, the young crowned king of 197 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: the of the division, that's a lot to come back from. Psychologically, dude, 198 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: people should not take that for granted. They should not. 199 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: He makes it look like it's just fucking ordinary. It's 200 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: like having a friend who could just walk over fire 201 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: and not get burned. He'd be like, dude, everyone can 202 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: do that shit. No no, no, no, no, he can 203 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: do that shit. You dumbasses cannot, Like Calvin Cater can 204 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: do that shit, You dumb asses cannot. People. It's just 205 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: the the level of conviction, self assuredness, appetite for brutality, 206 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: frankly is uh is on another level. So how did 207 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: he do it? As I meander around here, I'm just 208 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: pointing out, like, you know what he what? What the 209 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: the abuse that these guys tolerated more so obviously giga 210 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: chakazi tonight, but certainly you know what they are coming 211 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: from what he dished out tonight. People would take one 212 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: percent percent of that and never show up at the 213 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: gym again. They will, You'll never see him again. And 214 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: these guys just do the most elevated version of that, 215 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: and you know it is utterly remarkable. Okay, So how 216 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: did Calvincator do it? Let me pull up the fight 217 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: metric numbers while I situated myself. Let's see here, I 218 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: should have had them up beforehand. Sorry about that, y'all. 219 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: All right, so we will orient ourselves at the beginning 220 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: of this discussion around the numbers here. So how does 221 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: it look okay, I'm assuming these are final. Again, the 222 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: numbers on the broadcast are typically not great as a 223 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: reliable indicator of the final numbers, So these are the 224 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: final numbers. Obviously, a lot of grappling in the first 225 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: round from Calvincator. Do he right away? Man? Just setting 226 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: the tone with intensity. Chikazi slips on a kick and 227 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: he didn't just go for the takedown, dude. He pursued 228 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: that takedown with you know, absolute over zealousness, and in 229 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: that way, what I mean is like dogged determination to 230 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: get it high elevation, like there was no way he 231 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: was going to let that opportunity pass, and he didn't, 232 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: and he secured it. It was remarkable. So not a 233 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: lot of striking per se. There was a little bit of, 234 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, sort of minor work from Calvin Cator, but 235 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: we'll talk about the defensive grappling and the grappling overall. 236 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: In just a second. Second round. This is where you know, 237 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: it's sort of a no, not quite second round. Chikazi 238 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: landed more twenty eight strikes to excuse me, thirty eight 239 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: strikes to twenty eight strikes. It turns in the third numerically, 240 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,359 Speaker 1: this is not indicator of the qualitative difference, just numerical 241 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: twenty five to twenty two. That's what Cater takes the lead. 242 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: Then round four was and round five thirty six to 243 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: twenty eight in round four and then fifty one to 244 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: thirty two in round five. Also he is credited with 245 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: a takedown. Calvin Cator is in the first and the 246 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: second two of seven overall with a control time of 247 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: three minutes and forty two seconds. Great great work from 248 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: Calvncator and just sort of positionally staying one step ahead 249 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: of Chikazi on the mat, maintaining position, flowing with things, 250 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: letting the other guy work through them a little bit 251 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: harder as he kind of rolled through the state dominant 252 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: on top of making careful, good decisions about how to 253 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: maintain you know, not just a dominant position, but a 254 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: dominant position where, uh, if you're going to really commit 255 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: to it, you've committed to it because it's safe, you've 256 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 1: it's fully properly secured, and if not, you know, making 257 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more careful choices about it, you know, 258 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: navigating the choppy waters in that way expertly. And you know, 259 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: Jakase was was constantly looking for some way around this 260 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: for some way through this and Calvincator I think, you know, 261 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: no one's control was perfect, but it was a strong 262 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: start for him, in part because now Chakase has been 263 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, had to grapple for a round, right, which 264 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: is not like you know. Oh, and now he's all 265 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: of a sudden superman without his powers. He is still 266 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: quite formidable, but it is at least a little bit 267 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: of work you have put them. It is around you 268 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: have put him through where it's not the front half 269 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: of the second where you're gonna feel it unless they're 270 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: really out of shape, but you might start feeling it 271 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: at the back half of the second sometimes, right, sometimes 272 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: that shows up, and sure enough it did in this 273 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: one too. I thought we did see some of that 274 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: show up at the back half. But what Cater did 275 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: was essential about this, and we are essential to this. 276 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: We talked about this on I talked about this on 277 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: Friday's show slash Chat. I did not see away plausibly. 278 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: I mean yes, theoretically, of course, but plausibly. I did 279 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: not see a way for Cater to win if it 280 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: did not involve strictly backing up at all times. Giga Jakazi, right, 281 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: it's the old fad or versus cro cop game plan 282 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: if you're facing a lot of different kinds of opponents, 283 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: but in this particular case and in that one referentially 284 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: from the historical note I'm making here, if you have 285 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: someone that is sort of kicking dominant crow cop or 286 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: in this case Kika Chikazi, really putting them on their 287 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: heels makes life difficult for them. One that is exhausting, 288 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: right to constantly be backing up because they really need 289 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: their space and their timing to set and throw, even 290 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: though you know they can throw it efficiently and economically, 291 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: like they don't need a ton of room, but they 292 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: need some and if you put them under a constant pressure, 293 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: it becomes very difficult for them. So it's taxing to 294 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: do that, and too it just sort of offensively mutes 295 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: them and then they begin to have to trade strictly 296 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: on hands, and that's when the problems begin to sort 297 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: of become visible. Between that, and also you notice there 298 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: was really patient footwork from both of them, Calvin Cator 299 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: doing a lot not just sort of Ford pressure, which 300 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: was key, right, So he under what conditions was he 301 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: going to work behind the jab one and forward pressure 302 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: those are the two ones that we talked we talked 303 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: about on Friday show, and I think you saw a 304 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: lot of that here now begin to show that he 305 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: needed a lot more or after the jab got cooking 306 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: and they were just sort of openly trading at that point, 307 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: did you have just lose its value but it takes 308 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: on a different role in that kind of environment and scenario, 309 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: still valuable, but differently valuable anyway. Point being is that 310 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: was one where Cater was just going to win over time. Anyway, 311 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: So you have this exhausting pressure, you have this pressure 312 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: that takes away these weapons because you're inside of this 313 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: kicking range. You have this offensively you know, sort of 314 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: muted scenario that this guy is under, and he just 315 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: begins to work it. Over time, he would follow with 316 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: the footwork where he would sometimes some of it what 317 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: he was doing to take away weapons. Obviously they talked 318 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: about switching stances to avoid getting hit with the giga 319 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: kick to the liver, but there could be other reasons 320 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: why he would switch from taking you know, hard caf kicks, 321 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: which by the way, he got away from those because 322 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: Cater was really on him, putting him on his heels 323 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: constantly it's sort of like the old Edson Barbosa approach, right. 324 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: You know, Ed's in Barbosa can be you know, insanely 325 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: formidable in the right circumstance, even against a great fighter 326 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: opposite him. But you know, it's just been shown that 327 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: like you know, easier said than done, but a well 328 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: pressure based approach just how it yields positive results, certainly 329 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: more than any other game plan against him. It seems 330 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 1: that at least four now, at this point in Giga 331 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: Chikazi's journey, he is susceptible to the same kinds of things, 332 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: although it should be noted it's not like any bum 333 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: off the street can just pull this off. That is 334 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: in no way what I am suggesting. What I am 335 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: suggesting though, is at the remember I think Cater was 336 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: sitting at five in the division in terms of ranking 337 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: and Giga eight, and again you can always qubble with 338 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: the exact placement, but that does speak to a little 339 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: bit of where they were that I agree that generally 340 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: there is a little bit more seniority, and Cater had 341 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: done better work to be ranked to that point. I 342 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: felt that that was appropriate and and you know it 343 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: was it was Man that was man infested here. I 344 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: think you saw there was there was a bit of 345 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: a difference there, and for him to do it off 346 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: the heels of that kind of a beaten is. I 347 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: just keep shaking my head because it's they make it 348 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: look so I just can never get over how routine 349 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: they make it look. Man, it's it's the It's like 350 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: it's just a it's like a magic show, you know, 351 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: like these are the magicians that actually do saw people 352 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: on half though. It's like it's fucking wild. I apologize 353 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: if I loudly swallowed on the microphone. I didn't mean to. 354 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: Let's look at some of the targeting Jesus Christ who 355 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: Calvin Caate or eighty eight percent targeting to the head, 356 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: just nine percent of the body, two percent to the leg. 357 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: There is a story about the way Calvin Cator fights 358 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: and uses kicking, but it's it's not a significant I 359 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: think most would agree it's not a significant components the 360 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: way he fights, it has a role, but it's a 361 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: fairly minor one. By contrast, Giga Chakazi as you could 362 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: understand going to the body right with the giga kick 363 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: and to the leg and everything else twenty one percent, 364 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: but even that I would say is low relative to 365 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: what he probably wanted. I bet he probably wanted. I 366 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: don't know if he put a nu miracle threshold on it, 367 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: but I'm guessing a little bit more than what he 368 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: ultimately got. Let's say, went to the head seventy three percent. 369 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: And then of course, as you can imagine, most of 370 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 1: the fight in terms of striking, took place at distance 371 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: versus the clinch and the ground man. And by the way, 372 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: I should also note that cater to end round five 373 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: the way he did. You know with this, I want 374 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 1: to say, the last minute, but you know, this triumphant 375 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: emphatic declaration of you know, basically victory, but without the 376 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: stoppage in you know, in official time in that fifth 377 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: round right where you know, Giga gets knocked down and 378 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: the whole thing is almost kind of over, you know, 379 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: before the before the time expires. I mean, that is 380 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: such a dude. Good for Calvin Cator. This business is 381 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: tough enough and bullshit enough and hard enough, and dude, 382 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: I mean, just look at look at the last ten 383 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: rounds of Calvin Cator's life. I mean, I knew you 384 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: know you well, these guys have to know that, like 385 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: this occupation carries significant health hazards and risks and difficulties 386 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: and the like. But like you know, the last ten 387 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: rounds that Calvin Cator's had to fight has been just 388 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: the most brutal World War One trench warfare slog man, 389 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: And you lose long stretches of it, and you win 390 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: long stretches of it. But either way, dude, you come 391 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: out with the fucking meat grinder on the other side. Man, 392 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: it's just I apologize. I know there's a people. Well 393 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: he's fucking sounded like a broken record. You're right, I am, 394 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: I apologize, You're right, but I just it's just, it's 395 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: just the the routineness is it's remarkable to witness. You 396 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: wish it was compensated with the riches that it is owed, 397 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 1: and you are humbled by the ability to watch something 398 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: like that and share of the joy as well as 399 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: some of the misapprehended are the I should say, the 400 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: apprehensions about it along with it. It's a complicated joy. 401 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: Fighting is a complicated joy, right is that not a 402 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: fair and you know, ultimately almost like nothing statement, but 403 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: enough to be true. It's good. It's a complicated joy. 404 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: It's an engrossing joy as well. That's why we're here. 405 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: So what can we say else about this? Oh? I 406 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: did have another thought. It's something I've been sort of 407 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: toying with for some time. If you've heard me, just oh, 408 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: two more thoughts. Actually, well, actually that one's about a 409 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:18,880 Speaker 1: different one, but this one. Calvin Cater and Max Holloway 410 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: are very very different fighters, right, different in style and 411 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: in many important respects, but there's a lot of things 412 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: that unite them too. These are guys who typically do 413 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 1: their best and most work in boxing range. You just 414 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: heard me describe the numbers of Calvin Cater and where 415 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: he's sort of I mean headhunting in general. But you know, 416 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: you can sort of look at how many of those 417 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: are kicks. It's not many, right, So this is a 418 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: guy who does his work in a very similar kind 419 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 1: of way in that respect. And what I've noted is, 420 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, another guy like this is Adrian Jannis, insanely talented, 421 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: delight to watch, seems like a wonderful guy. Same thing here, 422 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: Calvin Cator, I've interviewed him, seems like the nicest dude 423 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: on planet Earth. But that style, well, it is even 424 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: on the winning end of things. Man. It's a bit 425 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: of a blood and gut style, man. You know. It's 426 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: when you get guys like that, and they not only 427 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: tend to they tend to be the more cerebral versions 428 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: of it. And you know, Janez is quite bright, and 429 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: Max Holloway quite bright, and calnicated quite right, they tend 430 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: to have this influencing role on the fight itself, right, 431 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: They have this ability to and then the best fighters 432 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: do to define the fight on their terms. Well, their 433 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: terms are trading in these boxing ranges and angles and scenarios, 434 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: and again they get the best of it, usually by 435 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: a long shot. But nevertheless, it just involves being in 436 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: a place where contact is not just going to be inevitable, 437 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: but frankly frequent. It will be frequent. You know, I 438 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: don't know how long that style is. Of all the 439 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: styles in mma that keep you in it the longest, 440 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: I would not put that one at the top the list. 441 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: It seems to me that you get some of our 442 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: brightest and most talented A plus fighters that I'm excited about, 443 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: You're excited about, we're all excited about. I do question 444 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: you know, again, all the shots are of you know, 445 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: questionable damage certainly some are quite pronounced, obviously some are not. 446 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: But nevertheless, it's just the amount of just traffic is overwhelming, 447 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: I guess is what I would say. There's just a 448 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: traffic of strikes, that is I think. I worry anyway, 449 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: I worry that it will cause problems. The other one 450 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: was one of the other fights on the cart I 451 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: think it was at the Comaine. I don't even know 452 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,479 Speaker 1: if it was the Comane. No, it's not the Comaine. 453 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: I'll come back to that. I don't have a ton 454 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: of thoughts about the Kitlyn chu Kegen and Jennifer Maya fight, 455 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: although cheu Kegan it's a great win for her. These 456 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: are I think top five fighters in their division. I 457 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: don't have the rankings in front of me, but I 458 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: think they're either they're pretty close to it. Certainly they've 459 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: both fought for the title, so we're talking about, you know, 460 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: the pre eminent side of the women's flyweight division. And 461 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: Chukegan just was better overall thirty twenty seven across the board, 462 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: even in the grappling department. She was able to be 463 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 1: the kind of one in control a lot like Maya 464 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: wanted to do a little bit more. I won't say brawling, 465 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: but a little bit more. You know, Cheukegi was able 466 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,439 Speaker 1: to work at range when she had to, but it 467 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: was also great in the grappling scenarios as well. But 468 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: the thing that caught my attention was not really any 469 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: of those things, even though we should acknowledge this is 470 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: a great one by Chukegian, is that and I'm sure 471 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: someone else has said this before me, I don't in 472 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: any ways suggest that, Like, I'm sure some of you 473 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,719 Speaker 1: have noticed this and probably tweeted about it and shared it. 474 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: So I am no way, I'm like, oh, I've made 475 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: this grand discovery. It's not what I mean, but something 476 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: occurred to me today. However, late the first wave in 477 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: the modern era of wrestling, best practices like when people 478 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: are like, oh, this is how you wrestle in mma, 479 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,479 Speaker 1: wh when there was enough body of a work, there 480 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: was a teachable skill set that was pretty effective for 481 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 1: most people in most fights, even at the UFC level. 482 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: And that modern era and who was coming into the 483 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: sport and influencing some of those things. A lot of 484 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: collegial wrestling obviously, so see where there's some Olympic influence, 485 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: but it was generally leg attacks. It was. I mean, 486 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,439 Speaker 1: of course, there are exceptions. Early on there was the 487 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: Raw team with Rico Chipperelli and Randy Couture, and then 488 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: eternity of parts of that Tournati's team, quest that you 489 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: had Matt Linlin and a lot of those guys had 490 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 1: the Greco background. Of course there's Rulan Gardner even there's 491 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: always been a Greco influence. It's not what I'm suggesting. 492 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: What I am saying is in terms of the routine 493 00:27:54,600 --> 00:28:00,479 Speaker 1: wrestling scenarios that you're seeing in MMA now right, typically 494 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,199 Speaker 1: along the fence line. I'd have to go back and 495 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,399 Speaker 1: look and think about this a little bit more, but 496 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: typically along the fence line. But there it's upper body wrestling. 497 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: The first wave of best practices was all leg attacks, 498 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: and you know, or predominantly leg attacks. This new wave 499 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: is that. But I think because fence wrestling has become 500 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: such a like, Dude, it's hard if someone stands in 501 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: front of you, turns to the side, splits their base 502 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 1: and is good about like head pressure and underhooking. Dude, 503 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: you know, unless you're a habib or some shit, you're 504 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: not gonna get them off the the You're not gonna 505 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: get them down. It's not going to go for you. 506 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: You know, no, it's not gonna work. So what are 507 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: you gonna do? Like there's a but but like upper 508 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: body clinching. It turns out that actually can be pretty powerful, 509 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: in part because we've talked about this locked hands to lot. 510 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: There was another fight. We'll talk about that one too. 511 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: The was it the Bontin and Brandon Reuiville fight. I mean, 512 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: part of the reason that we got kind of close 513 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: to was Bonterin. You know, you can question what he 514 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: was doing with from a punishment standpoint. He's got locked hands, 515 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: you know, with these locked hand scenarios, man, you could 516 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: just write them out for a long periods of time 517 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: and anyway you get the idea. I'm just sort of 518 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: pointing out that I don't know where the fuck I 519 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: lost my train of thought. It doesn't matter who gives 520 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: a shit. It's ten thirty eight on a Saturday night 521 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: and I'm drinking water. M I forget where all will 522 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: go on with this. It doesn't really matter, Okay, Jake 523 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: Collier versus Chase Sherman. You know, people want to hate 524 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: on Jake Collier and fat shame. The guy looks to 525 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: me like he's got I mean, you know, listen, is 526 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: this the most optimal condition to be in athletically for 527 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: his career prospects. It certainly doesn't that this doesn't seem likely. 528 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: But he certainly looked great tonight, right, he looked great, 529 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: and you don't I don't want to deny that his 530 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: his hands look good. For pressure was overwhelming. He again, 531 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: he had Chase Sherman on the back foot. This is 532 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: just sort of another scenario with the same kind of 533 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: thing went in there, and you know, the grappling was 534 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: good too, Like there was a clear difference in the 535 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: grappling like Chase Sherman was. You know, you could see 536 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: him pressing and then his his like half guard just 537 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: comes wide open as he's pressing because he's not wrestling 538 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: in that moment anyway. Like again, this is not in 539 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,959 Speaker 1: any way suggesting high or you could do better just 540 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: watching what happens, Like just think about it. And if 541 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: if someone passes your guard, you failed to do something correctly, 542 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: someone takes your back, you failed to do something correctly. 543 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: So you had the just vicious ground pound because he 544 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: had moved to mount and uh, he moved him out effortlessly. 545 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: He put pressure right on top of him. You see 546 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: Sherman is actually pin himself underneath with his guard gets 547 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: put like that, and then Collier just uses that pressure 548 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: on top to just ride essentially into three quarter mountain, 549 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: then full mount and then he just absolutely hammered him 550 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,719 Speaker 1: through the canvas. After that he turned over and then 551 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: he got the tap. It's great work for a co 552 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: main event between two guys at heavyweight who you know, 553 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: are not at the top of the division. That's that's 554 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: the best case scenario. Fans should be grateful to Jake Collier, 555 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, good for him. Great win. Brandon 556 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: Reuville defeating Jujerio Bontarine. We talked about this a little bit. 557 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: There's a controversy in the in the in the third 558 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: about the tapping. Did he tap? There's two competing theories. Basically, 559 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: in real time, I thought he did okay. Upon review, 560 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm less certain, but leaning towards that. I asked people 561 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: to make an argument to me about which way they 562 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: felt about it. Did he tap? Did he not? To 563 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,719 Speaker 1: the armbar and people were split their sensible arguments that 564 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: were given to me from either side. And by the way, 565 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: it should be noted many of The people who say 566 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: he did tap were in the black belt, slash training, 567 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: officiating crew side of things, right, So these are not, 568 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, amateurs or something like that. That doesn't mean 569 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: that they automatically get like we just defer to them, 570 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: but you know, these are not people who are unaccustomed 571 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: to watching this kind of stuff. And the basically the 572 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: two arguments are, one is did he remove his hand 573 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: from being trapped to tap and then regret it once 574 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: there was a slightly different feeling? Perhaps that is that 575 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: as one theory. The other theory is that he removed 576 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 1: it and then in the process he kind of like flail, 577 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: and in flailing it looked like tapping. It does look 578 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: like it, but that's not actually what it is. You know, 579 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: you be the judge, you you I have. I'd have 580 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: to go back and look at it again. I've only 581 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,959 Speaker 1: seen it, you know, when it happened live and then 582 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: a handful of replay times. You know, it's I can't 583 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: Can I say, all right? Can I say perhaps you 584 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: are different? Can I conclusively say, uh, he was tapping? 585 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: Like because here's here's part of what the situation is. 586 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: When people say, oh, he tapped, you didn't tap what 587 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: are we saying, Like, if we're saying he's tapping, tapping 588 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: has to mean something. Now I understand, like there's a 589 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: sort of colloquial way of describing it. Oh, it's this 590 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: right here, right, and we all kind of know it 591 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: when we see it. But here's a clear cut case 592 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: where some kind of clearly defined parameters for helping us 593 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: understand what we're looking at and what is find as 594 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: a surrender. And I guess some say it's probably by 595 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: the way, have this, it should be noted, but that 596 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 1: that's all that matters when we say did he tap? 597 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what I'm looking for. One could be, 598 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: you know, a clear uh signal that someone is surrendering, right, 599 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, a very aggressive tap, let's say on the ground. Sometimes, 600 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 1: for example, Chase Sherman tapped to the floor. He didn't 601 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: tap to the hands of his opponent. But what you're 602 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: really looking for for me is intentionality. Because he tapped 603 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: once or again, either either on purpose or not. There 604 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: was one tap. People were like, oh, there has to 605 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: be three for it to be a tap, but that's 606 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: not really true. Like son and versus silva fad or 607 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: versus verdun these are clear one tap cases Son and Versus. 608 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: Was it Felio but no, Son and Versus. Was it 609 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: Felia the first time? Some shit like that. Who did he? 610 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: Who was that to? I can't remember this point, but anyway, 611 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: you get the idea does happen. It is rare, but 612 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: it's not and it's certainly rare in jiu jitsu tournaments. 613 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: Like when you do see tapping there, it's like very direct. 614 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: So it's like if you watch if you watch tapping 615 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: at the black belt level, you know, it's kind of funny, 616 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: right because sometimes people get it and it's you know, 617 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,479 Speaker 1: so there's really kind of painful, like estem a lock, 618 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, where you have to tap immediately to relieve 619 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: this unbearable fucking pain. Or when what was her face 620 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: when it was Tammy Musumecci got her fucking arm armbard 621 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: all the way behind her own back. You know, shit 622 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: like that. But usually what you see is a very 623 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: calculated surrender like checkmate and chess, you know, where you're 624 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: seeing two fucking grand masters and one guy goes boo. 625 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: It's tapping in the same way. It's like they know 626 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: when certain conditions are in place that the you know, 627 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: the jig is up and they just very matter of factly, 628 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: indirectly like and it's all calm. You know. There's obviously 629 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: a lot of exceptions to that rule, but there's a 630 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 1: lot of that that happens. Anyway. Where the fuck am 631 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 1: I going with this? Did he tap? Uh? It looked 632 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: like that in real time. I don't know, you'd be 633 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: the judge. It didn't matter. In the end, Brandon Royvel 634 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: got his hand raised. He deserved to get his hand raised. 635 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: He I thought was really good about keeping his sensible 636 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: defense underneath. Underneath. He was very good about always framing, 637 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: creating frames and separation underneath. He got to his feet, 638 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, not effortlessly, certainly, but it was never not 639 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: part of the action he was putting together unless he 640 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: had some got a really dominant grappling position, which certainly 641 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: at the end he did. Great show by him. I 642 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: think he was saying he wanted to come in and 643 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: show a little bit of patience, and I think that's 644 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: exactly what he showed. Split decision by the way here 645 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: twenty nine, nine, twenty eight. But that was a that 646 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: was a very you know, did he show like brand 647 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: new skills he never had before? No But did he 648 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: show a kind of competitive strategic application of them that 649 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: yielded better results, or it certainly yielded the kind of 650 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: results he wanted under significant duress or a very talented opponent. Yes, yes, 651 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: that's and that's that's very much important in something. Anyway, 652 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: I think I got lost and we're talking about Hukegan Andenmaya. 653 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: But Greco Roman wrestling appears to be much more important 654 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: in modern Nimede than it ever has been. How about 655 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: was was it Santa? Does it called himself Santa Slav? 656 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,320 Speaker 1: Is that what he calls himself? The Aslav Borshchev hits 657 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,919 Speaker 1: a fucking rib roasting liver shot to Dakota Bush, puts 658 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: him down three forty seven of the very first round. 659 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: Does a dance? I don't know what it's called, but 660 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: it was spectacular. Just crown this man already? Where is 661 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: I mean? Forget about giving this guy a post five bonus, 662 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: although certainly he is entitled to one. Is there a 663 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: crown that they could give as well? That he could 664 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: walk around with on ironically because he has earned it? 665 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: What a fantastic performance, What a memorable What a way 666 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 1: to stick out on a broadcast? Is what I would say, 667 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: and look good doing it, look look sensational. Dakota Bush 668 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: did not lay down. Uh, you know, prior to getting 669 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,839 Speaker 1: his liver deformed, you know, he was he was making 670 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: as competitive as possible. He was certainly you know, trying 671 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: great great win. Bill Algo defeating Joe. I didn't even 672 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: know how to say this guy's name, Joe. I was like, 673 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: what is it? Joanderson? Joe Anderson Brito thirty twenty seven, 674 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 1: nine twenty eight, and I'm sure I'm saying Brito wrong. 675 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: Nine twenty eight. Bill Lgo, Dude, Bill g O is 676 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: scrappy as ship man. That dude is scrappy. What was 677 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: this his fourth UFC fight? I remember the first time 678 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,759 Speaker 1: he fought Let's see, it was not the Contender Series one, 679 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: by the way, you know he fought against was Brandon Locknan. 680 00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: He lost to Brandon Lockton on the Contender Series. Dude, 681 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: Brandon Lockman is a good ass fighter, Like, that's the 682 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: that's the guy that we don't No one ever talks 683 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: about that. Everyone's always like the trivia question is always, oh, 684 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: who is the fighter that you know won on the 685 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: Contender Series but didn't because he went for a takedown 686 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: in the last second and rent in lockning. But no 687 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,279 Speaker 1: one ever asked, right, but who's the motherfucker who he beat? 688 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 1: Dude was Bill Algio? Bill Olgio is a good fighter. 689 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: He was a really good fighter. Anyway. He made his 690 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: debut against Ricardo Lomis, but I remember he was scrappy 691 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: as shit. Then he put a beaten on Spike Carlisle 692 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: uh hikardohamos is tough and he got overwhelmed in that one, 693 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: but he rebounded on this one and and Brito kind 694 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: of took the fight to him in spots, backing him up. 695 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: But overall, here was another guy using great grappling, great 696 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: use of the locked hands, you know, making a strategic 697 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: application out of it. You know, it's just very very 698 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: hard to break and if people don't know how to 699 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: break it, and the guy using it really knows how 700 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 1: to off balance an opponent and redirect them and move 701 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: them into you know, take down territories if that's what 702 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 1: they want, or into big strikes or just you know 703 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: and mentally kind of leaning on them do that. So 704 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: it's a brutal, awful place to be and he had 705 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: some of that going for him here, among other skills 706 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 1: as well. It was a nice well round of performance. 707 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,799 Speaker 1: He made it quite memorable at the end saying he 708 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: wanted to fight Giga Chikazi, which, by the way, gigolo 709 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 1: zing perhaps makes that more likely. I don't think they'll 710 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: make that fight, but perhaps they might. One never knows. 711 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: But accusing Gigachikazi of being a Biden voter, which I 712 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: thought was like, that's a very yeah, yes, I am 713 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,880 Speaker 1: watching m m A, yes, I am God bless it right, 714 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: Uh long may she long, may she last hold on. 715 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: But that's a very mm A moment. But he looked great. 716 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 1: Give him, give him his flowers. He looked great. He 717 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 1: is uh he is constantly They didn't they? Spike Carlisle 718 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: was an overmatched opponent, you know, because he's certainly a 719 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: physically tough and wild and that's its own kind of challenge. 720 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: But Bill al to me has shown, you know, great 721 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: well roundedness can really you know, this guy can be 722 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: in gritty, long drawn out, complicated, difficult grappling slash wrestling 723 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,279 Speaker 1: slash you know where you just get just getting beat 724 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 1: up every which way kind of scenarios, and he doesn't 725 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: for long periods. He does n't on the feet to 726 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,919 Speaker 1: where he's constantly pressing in two opponents. He's a tough guy. 727 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,439 Speaker 1: He's a tough guy. That was a solid win. And 728 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: you know, hey, memorable call out memberable call. I gotta 729 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: give him credit, uh from the prelim card, Jamie Pickett 730 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: defeating Joseph Holmes. The prelim card wasn't a lot of fun, 731 00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: I'll be honest. Cort McGee got a nice win over 732 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: Ramz Brahim a I think, as I say, Brian Kellaher 733 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: looked pretty good against late replacement Kevin Krume, who looked huge, 734 00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: by the way. And then TJ. Brown got a nice 735 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,040 Speaker 1: win over Charles Rosa as well. There you have it. 736 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 1: First one is in the books. All right. Let me 737 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: take a look at some of these questions that you 738 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: a lot have, and then we will call it a day, 739 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: all right. Do you think Cater and his team learned 740 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: from the pressure Max put on him into a degree 741 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,000 Speaker 1: tried to replicate it when building a game plan for Giga? 742 00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 1: Perhaps perhaps, you know, well, I would have to ask, certainly, 743 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: but I think strategically it wasn't necessarily Listen, that's not 744 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 1: like we talked about it on a Friday. I brought 745 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,879 Speaker 1: it up on the show. It's not some grand insight, right, 746 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,359 Speaker 1: it's just it's I won't call it obvious, but it's 747 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: just hard to imagine a counter striking scenario against a 748 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,799 Speaker 1: forward moving gigachikazi that's gonna yield you better results than 749 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: a difficult early start to backing him up, but one 750 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,319 Speaker 1: which once you break through, yields significantly good results. Right. 751 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: It's just a more rational game plan, And so I 752 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: think they rationally knew that was what was on the 753 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,839 Speaker 1: table for them, to the extent that getting backed up 754 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: in that way reinforced how powerful that could be. Or 755 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: perhaps he did learn some technical lessons from that, and 756 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:53,359 Speaker 1: also you know ways a retreating opponent could survive, right, 757 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: because he had to go through so many different scenarios 758 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: where he learned what worked and what didn't. There's no 759 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,600 Speaker 1: denying an experience like that could be potentially invaluable if 760 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 1: assuming they're not mentally scarred by it. But I would 761 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: also just caution that, like that was the rational insight, 762 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 1: the question is not that. The question is what do 763 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: you do technically and tactically to pull that off? And 764 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: I think it needs to be said Calvin Cator's footwork 765 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,399 Speaker 1: tonight was just excellent, consistently excellent footwork. It was very 766 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,839 Speaker 1: There's a few times, a few times, hey, twenty five 767 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: minute fight's gonna happen. A few times he's out of 768 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: position a lot of times. Man, he's right where he 769 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 1: needs to be. He's doing excellent work, dude. And and 770 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: he's he's intercepting Giga Chakazi, he's steering him. You know, 771 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:41,040 Speaker 1: he was doing really good work in that way. Why 772 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,200 Speaker 1: did so many people assume Cater was going to lose 773 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 1: to Giga just because Max crushed him. The reason why 774 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: is because a lot of times I don't think this 775 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: is a bad question. I actually think it's a really 776 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,400 Speaker 1: important question. Why do people like me harp on that? Okay, 777 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: the reason why people like me harp on that is 778 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: you got to be careful about just being an MMA fan. 779 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: Is is is difficult, man, It's actually difficult. One you 780 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,360 Speaker 1: get charged to the nth degree, but two, you get 781 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: asked to look at these fighters as these vessels of entertainment. 782 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: And you know, over time, if you have this, if 783 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,440 Speaker 1: you're if you become unmoored from the communit, if you're 784 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: not part of the community, if you're unmoored from it, 785 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: or you consume it at this almost like distant way, 786 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: you know, I think people can lose sight a little 787 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: bit about understanding the way. I'm not making any moral 788 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: judgment here, I'm not. It's not what I'm saying. But 789 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: I think at times if you're not, like, if you're not, 790 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it up close a lot, I 791 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,800 Speaker 1: just don't think you realize what the toll that these guys, 792 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,600 Speaker 1: I mean, these guys, it's slow motion maiming. It's slow 793 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: motion maiming. You know. It's like the worst bear attacks 794 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,600 Speaker 1: spread over or fifteen years you've ever seen, or something 795 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: like that, right, you know, And so each part you're 796 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 1: just you see it incrementally building, and you do these 797 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: come into cost These guys, I started the show with it. 798 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,919 Speaker 1: Here I am repeating it again. They make it look 799 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: like this is the thing that like, if you just 800 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: really try hard, you can get over it. No, dude, 801 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: these guys are fucking psychotically competitive in ways that the 802 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 1: average person off the street cannot even remotely comprehend. They 803 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,720 Speaker 1: just make it look effortless. And I really, I really, 804 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: if I say nothing else, I hope that people really 805 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: understand that, truly appreciate that. When you see a beating 806 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,600 Speaker 1: like what he took against Max, I understand why some 807 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,359 Speaker 1: people may not necessarily have that instinct to be like, well, 808 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:56,799 Speaker 1: you know, it's a bad beating, but you know he's 809 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,879 Speaker 1: young or whatever. That's a fair point as well. It's 810 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 1: turned out to be truer than any kind of panic 811 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,640 Speaker 1: about the immediate negative results it would have. But I 812 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,880 Speaker 1: think as well as just a general posture, if you 813 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,520 Speaker 1: see someone lose in a five round fight, and in 814 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,240 Speaker 1: this particular case, you're like, oh, well, what's the dividing 815 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,600 Speaker 1: line between way more concerned and when we're not, Well, 816 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 1: how about one that's historically the most significant, least quantitative 817 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: beating we've ever seen, you know, or just go look 818 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,320 Speaker 1: at the tape. I mean, don't you remember there was 819 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: controversy about when that fight should have been stopped, I 820 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,239 Speaker 1: think as early as the third round. And you know, 821 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,799 Speaker 1: so again there was and there was debate at the time. 822 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: Not everyone thought it was a fight that should have 823 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: been stopped, so that should be clear as well, but 824 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: just pointing out it was a really bad beating, and 825 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: I think, then I've just seen what I've just you know, dude, 826 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,359 Speaker 1: it's it's Teddy Atlas has said it. Every time these 827 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: guys go do this, they are giving a part of 828 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,440 Speaker 1: themselves to this thing they there is they come out 829 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,640 Speaker 1: a little bit less, you know. And it sounds dramatic 830 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: and like you knows, almost hokey and maybe like poetic 831 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,520 Speaker 1: or something. But it's not true in the literal sense, 832 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 1: I suppose, or in some ways even that is true. 833 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,560 Speaker 1: But certainly it's a good way to describe the nature 834 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: of their sacrifice to you. Like, they come out of 835 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 1: these things, man, and it's a you know, it's the 836 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,840 Speaker 1: worst car crash you've ever seen over the course of 837 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 1: however along in their career is you know, it's like 838 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,319 Speaker 1: that's if you added up all the injuries they got 839 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: and then someone survived that in a car crash, they'd 840 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: be on the there would be like a news special 841 00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 1: about him on sixty minutes, you know what I mean. 842 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, torn both acls, broken femur, you know, 843 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: punctured lung, God knows how many lacerations and twisted ankles, 844 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: and you know, and now they're getting towards forty they 845 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: need a hip replacement and neck and back issues and 846 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: nerve damage. Right, someone survived all of that in a 847 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: car crash, you'd be like, God, damn, dude, God, you know, 848 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,520 Speaker 1: I don't always message he's trying to send, but he's 849 00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,480 Speaker 1: definitely trying to keep you around for now, you know. 850 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: So I just think you've got to put yourself to 851 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: the extent you can. You just got to really try 852 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,520 Speaker 1: to be as you got to see the humanity and 853 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,960 Speaker 1: these guys as much as you possibly can. And that's 854 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: why the last thing I'll say on the fighter pay 855 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: stuff is that's why the fire pay stuff matters to me. 856 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: It's not that the fighter pay makes up for it ultimately. 857 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 1: Ultimately it's still I think a kind of trade where 858 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,480 Speaker 1: the house, which is not the fighter still wins and 859 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 1: always wins, at least metaphorically. But but I think it's 860 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: the closest you can get to morally absolving yourself for 861 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: liking it, right, is making sure that the people doing 862 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 1: it get the kind of compensation that they're entitled to. 863 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,360 Speaker 1: That's that's my belief, basically, in a nutshell, Like if 864 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,760 Speaker 1: you're asking, why do I cover fighter pay with perhaps 865 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,359 Speaker 1: the fervor that I do relative to other issues, it's 866 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:14,359 Speaker 1: because I just think the unique nature of what they 867 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:25,520 Speaker 1: do can only be rewarded by the maximization of Okay, 868 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,360 Speaker 1: that in a nutshell, that's sort of what I believe basically. 869 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,319 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's a broader defense to it, 870 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 1: but that's the that is the basic idea, that's the 871 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,799 Speaker 1: basic that's the gist. I mean, it's a whole fuck 872 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:45,399 Speaker 1: a bunch of more than hanging on the best way 873 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 1: to nullify Ford pressure, like cater displayed tonight, other than clinching, Well, 874 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,520 Speaker 1: certainly you could have a retreating game plan. Carlos Kanda 875 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,799 Speaker 1: used a retreating game plan against Nick Diaz. It's not 876 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,720 Speaker 1: like a retreating game plan ultimately fails. It's just taxing 877 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,480 Speaker 1: and difficult and it and it uh and it you know, 878 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,800 Speaker 1: and it reduces you. You know, there's a lot of 879 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,319 Speaker 1: ways to do it. Yes, there's full work ways to 880 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,839 Speaker 1: absorb pressure, take angles, but you know, in some way 881 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:13,520 Speaker 1: you just have to kind of find you And I 882 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,440 Speaker 1: think again, you could sortify fire with fire. But there 883 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,279 Speaker 1: for any kind of issue like this, there's always going 884 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: to be uh god, it's this terrible answer. But the 885 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,799 Speaker 1: long story short is, you know, what is the best 886 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 1: way the best way depends on what the skill set 887 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,080 Speaker 1: is of the fighter and what the challenge calls for 888 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,800 Speaker 1: what they can reasonably reasonably be asked to pull off. 889 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,880 Speaker 1: And that's that sounds a little bit unfair of an answer, 890 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: but that's really the truth. So you're here here in 891 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,719 Speaker 1: this case is what would have been the best way 892 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:51,319 Speaker 1: for Giga Chakadzi in this case against Calvin Cater if 893 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,799 Speaker 1: you could have if he could have found a way 894 00:50:52,800 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 1: to really lead. I think with the calf kicks offensively 895 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 1: wrestling wrestling I thought may have been on the table 896 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:04,560 Speaker 1: as well, but that would have been that would not 897 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,840 Speaker 1: have worked. So here again it's the question is not 898 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: what could someone theoretically do, What did Max Holloway do 899 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,960 Speaker 1: to take away the ford pressure of Calvin Cator? Right? 900 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,839 Speaker 1: Calvcator wasn't trying to put as much forward pressure on him, 901 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,479 Speaker 1: but he tried a lot. Max Holloway and his team 902 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,839 Speaker 1: noticed that when you when you have Calvncator starting out, 903 00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 1: he's jabbing, he's got good footwork, he's setting things up, 904 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: he's faking, he's fainting, he's moving, but if you throw back, 905 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,240 Speaker 1: he'll just cover and move away. So what they realized 906 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: was Okay, soon as soon as he throws, we're gonna 907 00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 1: let him throw, and then as soon as he throw, 908 00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,839 Speaker 1: or we're gonna bait him to throw whatever. As soon 909 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: as he throws, whatever reason we baited it or redid it, 910 00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,399 Speaker 1: we're going to then basically just blitz him with four 911 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,439 Speaker 1: or five punch combinations. We're gonna pressure into him. We're 912 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,839 Speaker 1: gonna mix up high, low, left, right, body, head right, 913 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,440 Speaker 1: because he's just going to cover up like this. He doesn't, really, 914 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,400 Speaker 1: he doesn't. Josie, what does josiada do? Joze ado? Is 915 00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,319 Speaker 1: gonna slip and then come back and then throw. Now 916 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,440 Speaker 1: Max had a different answer for that problem, but you know, 917 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,799 Speaker 1: you get the idea. So he's not offering that kind 918 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:14,240 Speaker 1: of defense. He's not offering that kind of pull anyway. 919 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,080 Speaker 1: I forgot where I was even going with this fucking answer. Jesus, 920 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm off my game tonight. I'm tired. The answer is 921 00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 1: to this, Where was I even going with this? So disappointing. 922 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry about that. I did not take notes today. 923 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,680 Speaker 1: I took notes the last time. I did not take 924 00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,279 Speaker 1: notes today, and now I am regretting it because there's 925 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,319 Speaker 1: a bunch of shit. I wanted to say, fuck it. 926 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,040 Speaker 1: I will come back to it. I apologize to the audience. 927 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: All right, the elbows in the kickboxer seemed to be 928 00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 1: more of the more underrated strategies versus crossover kickboxers. That's interesting. 929 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I would say Cater's always been a 930 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,239 Speaker 1: pretty cl ever boxer and a surprisingly clever striker. Two 931 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: more than just that. He's had the elbow in the 932 00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,719 Speaker 1: Stevenson fight, right, Jeremy Stevens. Excuse me, not Stevenson, Jeremy Stevens. 933 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: He had the elbow in that fight. And where else 934 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,799 Speaker 1: did he have the elbow? Not sure where else, but oh, 935 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,240 Speaker 1: Carlos Condit had it against Thiago Alves. That's another good one. 936 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:29,360 Speaker 1: How good is Max? Yeah? Max is fucking good. But 937 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: that was his answer to the Ford pressure. So to 938 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,120 Speaker 1: answer the Ford pressure question once and for all, the 939 00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,720 Speaker 1: answer is lots of different ways. There's lots of different 940 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,280 Speaker 1: ways to do it, but it really kind of depends 941 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,520 Speaker 1: on the specific blueprint of what you have as a 942 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,359 Speaker 1: fighter in front of you and what reasonably they can 943 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,360 Speaker 1: be asked to do given what they're good at against 944 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,560 Speaker 1: a specific task. By the time they get to the 945 00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 1: UFC even after this incredible comeback performing some cater Do 946 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,040 Speaker 1: you see him beating Holloway or Volkanowski? Not yet, But dude, 947 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 1: as a rebound, you can't ask for more than that 948 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,319 Speaker 1: this time. Maybe next time in subsequent fights. But to 949 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,760 Speaker 1: do what he did after what happened to him amazing. 950 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,399 Speaker 1: How much of an impact was that first round takedown? Huge? 951 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:18,919 Speaker 1: I think, what are the chances of seeing Vulcan max 952 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:25,480 Speaker 1: five to six times? That's a little much. Who was 953 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:31,640 Speaker 1: being How much more impressive? Does this mean what Halloway did? Yeah? Again, dude, 954 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:37,560 Speaker 1: Halloway is pretty special. Dude, He's very, very good. And 955 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,200 Speaker 1: this is the other part about Holloway. It's like everyone's like, oh, 956 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,160 Speaker 1: he's skilled as a boxer or whatnot. Dude, I keep 957 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:47,040 Speaker 1: going back to this. His team, Eugene Barman himself has 958 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,160 Speaker 1: told me multiple times on the record it should be 959 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,399 Speaker 1: noted him and his team might be the best strategists 960 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,960 Speaker 1: in the game, certainly some of the very best at 961 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,200 Speaker 1: the top of the fucking food chain level of ability. 962 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,680 Speaker 1: Do those guys are clever? You ever notice they don't 963 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,239 Speaker 1: do any interviews, They don't talk about shit over there? Man, 964 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 1: I constantly. I would. I used to try to ask 965 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,200 Speaker 1: those guys on their great shots to them. They're great guys, 966 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,799 Speaker 1: I get it, man, They're not trying to you know, 967 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,080 Speaker 1: they're trying to do their thing. I used to try 968 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,480 Speaker 1: to get those guys on, and every time I get 969 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 1: them on, Man, they were nice as shit, and they're 970 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 1: very friendly and they're gracious with their time. But they 971 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,399 Speaker 1: would never tell me a thing. They would never tell 972 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,719 Speaker 1: me a thing. They might tell me some of the 973 00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,880 Speaker 1: stuff about their theory on fighting, but they wouldn't. They 974 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,560 Speaker 1: would never spill their the beans. But dude, they're they're 975 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:34,600 Speaker 1: very clever. They're very clever, smart people. And so you've 976 00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 1: got a guy like Max who's got all this ability, 977 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,080 Speaker 1: who's got all that fighting mojo and spirit, and he's 978 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,480 Speaker 1: got a team that comes up with a game plan 979 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,279 Speaker 1: that is you know, a lot of you think was 980 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,759 Speaker 1: when a winning game plan for his two fights with 981 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: Volkanoski at a bare minimum, but has put him exceedingly close. 982 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,880 Speaker 1: And Volkanowski is another one who's got top of the 983 00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,200 Speaker 1: chain people behind him. So you know, you're talking about 984 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,280 Speaker 1: guys who have the bases covered as fighters in ways 985 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,680 Speaker 1: that you know even most other pro fighters couldn't even 986 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:14,040 Speaker 1: imagine was Giga looking past Cater. No, I don't think 987 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:23,560 Speaker 1: so at all. What a bigger surprise Giga unable to 988 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,360 Speaker 1: adjust his game plan or Cater's ability to absorb the 989 00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:32,520 Speaker 1: Giga punishment. It's a bigger surprise for me. I guess 990 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,840 Speaker 1: I should not have been this way. I was wrong, 991 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,160 Speaker 1: But I'll say for me, the bigger surprise was Cater 992 00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,799 Speaker 1: being like walking into a lot of punishment to pull 993 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,680 Speaker 1: that off. That's a hard game plan to pull off, 994 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 1: Like you know what it is, man, dude, Sometimes battle 995 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,840 Speaker 1: plans are very sophisticated people then like the more sophisticated 996 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,040 Speaker 1: it is like the more dangerous and like high level. 997 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,719 Speaker 1: But dude, sometimes that's not really what the challenge is about. 998 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes the challenge is like, it's not complex what we 999 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,840 Speaker 1: have to do strategically, It's just it's just gonna be brutal. 1000 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,640 Speaker 1: It's just gonna be brutal. There's really no other way 1001 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 1: to do this. There is no I can smart my 1002 00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,200 Speaker 1: way around the punishment and difficulty of this all. No, 1003 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,160 Speaker 1: you cannot. You just have to have a hard, difficult slog, 1004 00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:25,959 Speaker 1: you know. And that's the reality, all right, Uh, what's 1005 00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get to that one. Some of these 1006 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: questions are a little bit unfair, cater or taken next Woo. 1007 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,800 Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of it. I should have thought of it. Man, 1008 00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,600 Speaker 1: that's a great fight. That's a great go Lee dude. 1009 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,600 Speaker 1: They put an or take it through the meat grinder. Woo. 1010 00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:52,800 Speaker 1: Man that that division. These guys are absolutely I keep 1011 00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,960 Speaker 1: saying it, but it's so true. Man. It's like, oh, 1012 00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,680 Speaker 1: you're here's your reward. Brian Ortaga, I mean, and he's 1013 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,200 Speaker 1: talented to help with a beat on Calvin. Dude, here's 1014 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,000 Speaker 1: what I know about Brian Ortaker. Wanna lose. He's gonna 1015 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: put a beating on Calvin Cator, you know what I mean? Like, 1016 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,960 Speaker 1: that's just what it's gonna be got, Lee. Man, these guys, 1017 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:17,960 Speaker 1: it's it's just brutal. It's brutal. So it says Calvin's 1018 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 1: boxing didn't seem as sharp tonight. He was much more 1019 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 1: interested in a game of kind of speed chess than chess. 1020 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,640 Speaker 1: He did have some nice boxing. I thought he had 1021 00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,440 Speaker 1: some uppercuts that adjusted some of the kind of like 1022 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,480 Speaker 1: leaning pressure that was showing. He did a good job, 1023 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:35,640 Speaker 1: I thought, But dude, a lot of what he was 1024 00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:39,320 Speaker 1: doing again was chasing uh Giga. A lot of it 1025 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,440 Speaker 1: was angling Giga and forcing him to just move and 1026 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 1: constantly in this sort of state of tension. A lot 1027 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,080 Speaker 1: of it was you know, pressuring through so it wasn't 1028 00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:51,800 Speaker 1: designed to yield like the prettiest boxing in that way. 1029 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,800 Speaker 1: And again, just a very difficult game plan, A very 1030 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,480 Speaker 1: simple game plan, but an insanely difficult one. I mean, 1031 00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:58,880 Speaker 1: there was more to it with the way in which 1032 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,240 Speaker 1: he approached and he was angles Like I don't want 1033 00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,640 Speaker 1: to say that there was no thought process to it, 1034 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,080 Speaker 1: Please don't misunderstand me, but you get the idea. Part 1035 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,040 Speaker 1: of it was like, you're just going to get hit 1036 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:08,840 Speaker 1: a lot by Giga and you have to accept that. 1037 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,520 Speaker 1: And he did. He accepted it fully and it worked. 1038 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:18,160 Speaker 1: That's impressive. I figure the high guard of cater would 1039 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:19,840 Speaker 1: leave him right to the body for the taking. When 1040 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,400 Speaker 1: Giga stopped kicking, did he steal his fate? Yeah? But 1041 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,000 Speaker 1: I think part of the reason why he stopped kicking 1042 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: was because he just could never set his feet under 1043 00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,760 Speaker 1: constant duress. All right, Well, I apologize for all the 1044 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,600 Speaker 1: times that I meandered into a state of nothingness. Surely 1045 00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:35,320 Speaker 1: that is worthy of being lampooned, and I'm I'm sure 1046 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,080 Speaker 1: that I will. But I want to thank you guys 1047 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,320 Speaker 1: for watching like the video, hit subscribe. If you have 1048 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,240 Speaker 1: an email for me, you can shoot me an email. 1049 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,680 Speaker 1: Luke Thomas news at gmail dot com. I try to 1050 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,120 Speaker 1: respond to everyone. I don't always get the opportunity to 1051 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: do that, but right now is a good time. So 1052 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:58,640 Speaker 1: there you go. All right, love you. Let's see no 1053 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,840 Speaker 1: show on Monday, but Monday resume review will be out, 1054 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,480 Speaker 1: which is gonna be great. And then Tuesday we have 1055 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,479 Speaker 1: another video for you that you're gonna love. That's gonna 1056 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,919 Speaker 1: set the tone for UFC two to seventy fight week 1057 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,360 Speaker 1: basically well also resume review. I do that as well. 1058 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,400 Speaker 1: I guess we'll see, but you get the idea. So 1059 01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 1: Monday and Tuesday fresh content headed your way. Yeah, it 1060 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,720 Speaker 1: should be a good time. Thank you so much for 1061 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,400 Speaker 1: spending some time with me tonight. Again, apologies for me entering. 1062 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,400 Speaker 1: I should have taken some note taking some notes. I 1063 01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,280 Speaker 1: did it last time, I forgot this time. I will 1064 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:31,000 Speaker 1: not do that make that mistake again. So I appreciate 1065 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,800 Speaker 1: you sticking with me. I hope you enjoyed the fights, 1066 01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:37,520 Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed watching this. Until next time, get some sleep. 1067 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:38,520 Speaker 1: By all.