Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network, the Troy Tiger's Podcast. I'm Kieren
Speaker 1: Steckley with me as always a man who puts the
Speaker 1: vet in corvette.
Speaker 2: He is Cody Stavenhagen, and how are we doing?
Speaker 3: All right? It was always more of a Mustang guy,
Speaker 3: but that's all right too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have to get into those wars here. Well,
Speaker 1: so we're recording this early Sunday evening. Obviously, the Tigers
Speaker 1: end up with a split against the Kansas City Royals
Speaker 1: after a couple disappointing one run losses late leads given
Speaker 1: up by the bullpen.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, felt a little repetitive there on Saturday and Sunday.
Speaker 1: But we'll break it all down, and I guess the
Speaker 1: place to start, in my opinion, Cody is just like,
Speaker 1: how what's the vibe right now? Because this this had
Speaker 1: to feel like I mean, it was like an opportunity
Speaker 1: and a lot of ways they still did like kind
Speaker 1: of gain some ground, get a little bit of momentum,
Speaker 1: but this was an opportunity to really kind of accelerate forward.
Speaker 1: And I think when you split against Kansas City and
Speaker 1: especially when you give up leads late and back to
Speaker 1: back games, it's hard for me to say that this
Speaker 1: was an acceleration forward, even if like it.
Speaker 2: You know, those numbers.
Speaker 1: Say that you're three and a half back or whatever
Speaker 1: in the wildcard and like everything's still kind of in
Speaker 1: front of you, but it doesn't feel as close as
Speaker 1: it really potentially should have been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Tigers are fortunate they actually didn't lose ground
Speaker 3: in the wild card standings this weekend, but disappointing is
Speaker 3: certainly the word that comes to mind. You're playing a
Speaker 3: Royals team without Bobby, with a team that's just pretty
Speaker 3: depleted right now, and you had the lead in both
Speaker 3: games and you coughed the lead away. You didn't really
Speaker 3: hit all that well Saturday or Sunday. You have four
Speaker 3: runs to show for it. Sunday thinks in large parts
Speaker 3: of some help from the Royals in the field. So
Speaker 3: it feels like an opportunity missed when you're in this
Speaker 3: juncture and every game matters and all these things we've
Speaker 3: been saying for a long time now, like this feels
Speaker 3: like a series you certainly would like to win. You're
Speaker 3: splitting with the Royals and you kind of come away. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you didn't lose ground in the wild card, but you
Speaker 3: didn't gain ground either. And there are only what seven
Speaker 3: games left until the trade deadline? Six? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I keeps losing count myself. I think we're nearing some clarity.
Speaker 3: Unless you win all those games or lose all those games,
Speaker 3: I don't think a lot is going to change. So
Speaker 3: I think maybe we should kind of drop consider dropping
Speaker 3: the narrative of like, well, what the front office does
Speaker 3: will be dictated by these next few games. If you
Speaker 3: really step back and think about it, I think the
Speaker 3: Tigers operate like in a way that's disciplined and for
Speaker 3: better or worse, like far too complex of a way
Speaker 3: to let their whole future be determined by whether they're
Speaker 3: four games back or two games back, you know, Like,
Speaker 3: I think things are becoming pretty solid in that this
Speaker 3: is kind of where you're at. You're likely to enter
Speaker 3: the deadline playing pretty well, having some some momentum, but
Speaker 3: slightly on the outside looking at And so what does
Speaker 3: that mean? Hard to say. We see the reports, we
Speaker 3: know what's out there. It certainly seems like the team
Speaker 3: has some interest in the thread, the needle idea and
Speaker 3: given where they're at. As much as personally I don't
Speaker 3: love that approach, it kind of does make some sense,
Speaker 3: you know, not a lot of tangible information. I haven't
Speaker 3: heard a lot, but you're starting to hear a little
Speaker 3: more chatters, a little more whispers and and I We'll
Speaker 3: see what happens in the next handful of days. But
Speaker 3: I wonder if that's all kind of starting to be
Speaker 3: the picture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1: And like, one of the things that we used to
Speaker 1: do a lot on this podcast was the whole like
Speaker 1: aren't the Tigers good thing? You know, and and and
Speaker 1: and this really this season is probably a perfect one
Speaker 1: to kind of bring it back.
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 1: You know, because I said after Friday's game, I was like,
Speaker 1: good team, you know, like and and I got a
Speaker 1: lot of I got a lot of pushback on that,
Speaker 1: and and look, that's fine. I understand like having watched
Speaker 1: this season, uh, you know, people feeling any type of
Speaker 1: way about this team.
Speaker 2: Uh, but I still maintain good team. Good enough. It does.
Speaker 1: It's hard for me to be like in the prisoner
Speaker 1: of the moment right now, but it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to be like I don't know, probably not good enough
Speaker 1: to get all the way there when you are putting
Speaker 1: out there Kyle Finn again and Drew Summers and they're
Speaker 1: blowing leads and and you know, and funny enough, we
Speaker 1: talked about is that's the kind of the core? Well,
Speaker 1: the cores was played out again and uh and the
Speaker 1: Tigers were not able to to hold leads.
Speaker 2: H Kyle Finnegan five point four oh e ra.
Speaker 1: In July, Cody we talked about he felt like a
Speaker 1: a regression candidate and uh, like what was like the
Speaker 1: worst looking two point something e ra in baseball And
Speaker 1: and we're and we're kind of getting yeah, and then
Speaker 1: and then Somers he's gotten some high leverage like opportunities
Speaker 1: of late like and this is AJ saying, you know,
Speaker 1: take here, you know, take it, and sorry for me
Speaker 1: to say that he has passed that test as well. So, uh,
Speaker 1: at a certain point you kind of look around, like
Speaker 1: if you're a j if you're Scott or you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a player on the team, and you kind
Speaker 1: of think like this does this weekend did kind of
Speaker 1: feel like it is what it is weekend? And maybe
Speaker 1: that's maybe maybe that's the new line Cody. That is
Speaker 1: what it is, Tigs. It's not that sexy, but it
Speaker 1: kind of feels appropriate.
Speaker 3: Let's say j been saying that Tigers are a good
Speaker 3: team with a bad record. I think they're a good
Speaker 3: team with a bad record and a bad back end
Speaker 3: of the bullpen. The stat on our screen sums it up. Man,
Speaker 3: it's pretty striking. Twenty three blown saves, twenty one saves.
Speaker 3: You have blown more saves than you have saved games
Speaker 3: this year. That is not a good recipe to contend
Speaker 3: whether before the playoffs. Are certainly not to win and
Speaker 3: make a run deep in the postseason. Yeah, the Tigers
Speaker 3: are ninth overall in bullpen era, but twenty ninth in
Speaker 3: win probability, added twenty ninth in their performance and leverage situations.
Speaker 3: You just like it's repeating the same thing at this point,
Speaker 3: but you just do not have a great ability to
Speaker 3: navigate the back into games. Aj Hinch does not have
Speaker 3: good enough options. And maybe again that's why the thread
Speaker 3: the needle thing could make sense. There's a world where
Speaker 3: you trade Scooble because it just is the right thing
Speaker 3: to do for your future if you get fair offers.
Speaker 3: But you could still add some bullpen helps still maybe
Speaker 3: keep the core of this thing together and hope you
Speaker 3: can get in the playoffs and see what happens and
Speaker 3: then set yourself up well for next year. Again, I
Speaker 3: don't know if that's what I would do if it
Speaker 3: were me, but that approach does make some sense. If
Speaker 3: you're going to not wave the white flag on this season,
Speaker 3: I think you got to get some bullpen help. We'll
Speaker 3: see what that maybe ends up looking like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like I tend not to get into
Speaker 1: the waters of like the Tigers need, like you know,
Speaker 1: swing and miss relievers, because it's so apparent.
Speaker 2: It's so apparent.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I'm not disagreeing with the notion, obviously, but it's
Speaker 1: also like that's a thing that almost every single team
Speaker 1: wants and would be and every contender would be looking
Speaker 1: for at the trade deadline. And so therefore, like as
Speaker 1: much as you would say this is a huge need,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that I would love the cost of
Speaker 1: getting a true difference maker in the back end of
Speaker 1: the bullpen. Given like, even if you do a Trek
Speaker 1: Skoogle and you do the thread to needle thing, it's
Speaker 1: probably not gonna be a good ROI and you talked
Speaker 1: about with the with the front office, like looking at things,
Speaker 1: you know, analytically, and you know, try to make sound that.
Speaker 3: It just Yeah, Scott Harris probably agrees with you. I mean,
Speaker 3: we saw what happened last year, and again, if you
Speaker 3: want to criticize this front office, it's both last year
Speaker 3: at the deadline and all this season. They just have
Speaker 3: not constructed a good bullpen, a power bullpen, a bullpen
Speaker 3: that can get swing and miss and it's been one
Speaker 3: of their their fatal flaws dating to last year. But
Speaker 3: you're right. If they didn't add really high octane bullpen
Speaker 3: help last year, they're probably not going to do it
Speaker 3: this year. I mean, I think I would still want
Speaker 3: to target someone who can go out and miss bats.
Speaker 3: Is there someone on this between Rafael Montero and a
Speaker 3: worldist Chapman that you can target. They're not going to
Speaker 3: go get a dude a horse, but can you bring
Speaker 3: in someone with some interesting stuff who maybe can help
Speaker 3: you a little bit. The other question, also a right,
Speaker 3: is like if you're not if you're gonna trade Schooble
Speaker 3: and you're not really going for it, there's someone controllable
Speaker 3: you can get, well to get someone controllable, you're gonna
Speaker 3: have to trade a prospect hall. I don't think Scott
Speaker 3: Harris wants to trade valuable assets for for relief pitching.
Speaker 3: Although these guys see what Jim Jarvis is doing with
Speaker 3: the Braves for Raffael Montero, So that's really interesting. That's
Speaker 3: one of a million really interesting dynamics with the trade deadline.
Speaker 3: You guys probably seen all the luxury tax stuff, and
Speaker 3: I think that has to be a very real consideration
Speaker 3: for the Tigers. Again, Scooble is kind of the difference
Speaker 3: making guy that it's like, maybe you just have to
Speaker 3: trade him to me. I think maybe the most fascinating
Speaker 3: thing is becoming case he mice because he's kind of
Speaker 3: like he could get you a pretty good return, but
Speaker 3: maybe not a franchise altering return. Maybe you could keep
Speaker 3: him and if you can get that qualifying offer after
Speaker 3: the first round, is that you know, are you content
Speaker 3: with that or are you not? Myz is I think
Speaker 3: even less black and white than maybe what you do
Speaker 3: with Scooball. So yeah, there's a lot going on. And
Speaker 3: that's another thing. If the Tigers already do the thread
Speaker 3: the needle type deal, you have to kind of have
Speaker 3: multiple moves all lined up, you know, and that's not
Speaker 3: very easy to do. There are some potential really big
Speaker 3: pitfalls for the Tigers front office, especially given Scott Harris's
Speaker 3: reputation across the league, where that could go badly if
Speaker 3: not everything falls into place exactly how you want it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, man, it's you're gonna have a lot of
Speaker 3: action in the week ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, like like one of the things that
Speaker 1: I say all the time, especially and related to you know,
Speaker 1: like Saturday's game, where you know, you only score two runs,
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you know, you can't expect to win
Speaker 1: that many games alreadys scoring two runs. So as much
Speaker 1: as the bullpen stuff frustrates me, like how you got
Speaker 1: there frustrates me probably more, And I think the same
Speaker 1: could be said about the current construction of this roster
Speaker 1: and all these things that you just laid out that
Speaker 1: are like their level levers that need to be pulled now,
Speaker 1: all basically at the same time. Whereas how you got
Speaker 1: here is probably a bigger deal that you are forced yourself.
Speaker 2: Into this corner.
Speaker 1: And that's and that's on the front office, and they
Speaker 1: know a lot of things that they tried obviously did
Speaker 1: not work. That's why we're sitting here talking about.
Speaker 2: A team that is fifty and fifty six.
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Speaker 1: All right, Cody, Well, I'm glad that Trek Schooble. You
Speaker 1: know it looks like he's going to be starting Wednesday
Speaker 1: at America Park, because look, if it is his last start,
Speaker 1: we'll obviously be having planning to talk about. But it
Speaker 1: just would have been kind of funky if his last
Speaker 1: start was Friday night where in the orange alternate with
Speaker 1: the Cooper's down hat, it just would have been funky.
Speaker 1: That was gonna be like our last like instance of
Speaker 1: seeing Schooble in a Home Tigers uniform. Obviously that looks
Speaker 1: like that will not be the case. But it even
Speaker 1: though it looks funky, it was kind of classic Schoobl
Speaker 1: there on Friday, seven point one innings. It gets into
Speaker 1: the eighth obviously, one earned run, four hits, twelve K's
Speaker 1: a couple of walks in there, but he kind of
Speaker 1: that game that every single concern if you were in
Speaker 1: the level of concern with Trek Schougle, like everything just
Speaker 1: kind of kicked out for a night.
Speaker 2: It was pretty special to watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Terrek Schougle was really good. It was it was
Speaker 3: vintage schoobl His last two outings have been pretty lights out,
Speaker 3: Like I thought, he's, yeah, he's all right, he's fine,
Speaker 3: he's good to go. Any even you know, other teams
Speaker 3: that might have had any doubts, I think he has
Speaker 3: certainly answered those with what he has done the last
Speaker 3: two outings.
Speaker 1: So, given everything that we've we've talked about, I have
Speaker 1: a new Tark Schoogl trade uh percentage, and I have it.
Speaker 1: I have fifty three Ark Schoogle will be traded and
Speaker 1: Wednesday could be his last game in ch America. Part
Speaker 1: But uh, like I guess now that we're steamrolling toward
Speaker 1: the deadline, Uh, does that is there a gravitational pull
Speaker 1: to the Schoogle situation right now? Given that, like the
Speaker 1: finality of it is kinda is kind of getting closer.
Speaker 1: Does it feel like that even just like around the
Speaker 1: team or just like you know, the way he talks.
Speaker 1: I know he does a good job. It's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get into that, you know, blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's a question being asked.
Speaker 3: Everything obviously got into a lot, uh in the in
Speaker 3: the past few days. Been a pretty exhausting week. I
Speaker 3: even got criticized on ninety seven to one A little bit, baby,
Speaker 3: That's that's how you know you've made it right? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean you know, he was asked, you want to
Speaker 3: be here next year? He said, I'm focused on this year.
Speaker 3: So again, I don't really know what you expect him
Speaker 3: to say some that may upset some people. It is interesting,
Speaker 3: you know that. I think there's a certain level of
Speaker 3: Schooble fatigue. People have maybe gotten tired of them, or
Speaker 3: don't like them anymore or whatever. I think Schoobl's ready
Speaker 3: for this to be over one way or another. I
Speaker 3: think I'm ready for this to be one, you know,
Speaker 3: over one way or another. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people probably feel that way. But one of the interesting
Speaker 3: kind of downstream effects. Do you think about it. Let's
Speaker 3: say the tight Yeers do do the thread the needle thing,
Speaker 3: they trade Schooble, but maybe no one else. Maybe they
Speaker 3: add a little bit. How will the clubhouse respond to that?
Speaker 3: IM not so sure. In a way, it's kind of
Speaker 3: this thing being taken out of the room. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe that could be good, even though from what I understand,
Speaker 3: school very popular teammate, one of the kind of leaders
Speaker 3: of this club. But also you take that dude out, Like,
Speaker 3: how does that make the other players feel? Like? I
Speaker 3: don't know, I think that could have a bad impact.
Speaker 3: Even if the Tigers aren't surrendering, it could still feel
Speaker 3: like a surrender in that room, I think if the
Speaker 3: front office were to move Schoogle. So that is certainly
Speaker 3: something to be cognizant of. You guys probably saw the
Speaker 3: Bob Nightingale report. You know, the Tigers are interested in
Speaker 3: trying to convince both their players and fans that they're
Speaker 3: not surrendering. And like, if you have to convince someone
Speaker 3: you're not surrendering, then that's that's probably not a great
Speaker 3: spot to be in. So that's one of the many
Speaker 3: factors kind of swirling right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look like everyone is entitled to their own
Speaker 1: perspective on that front office coaching players like I do
Speaker 1: think like there is something to like get portraying the
Speaker 1: right message of a Schooble trade does happen, and saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: look there's still all this in front of us, like
Speaker 1: we you know, this is just something that you know
Speaker 1: had to be done, but you can't also so sell
Speaker 1: them on you put your best foot forward if you
Speaker 1: trade Schooble like that, just that just it's blatantly false
Speaker 1: to to to say that, and they would know that,
Speaker 1: but I would, I would. I would also tell like
Speaker 1: the tough love piece of this is because it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you you're hitting two hundred.
Speaker 2: That's why we're traded.
Speaker 1: Tech Schooble, because like we we are, we are we
Speaker 1: we are Like you know, however many games below five
Speaker 1: hundred at that time, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: there's an in there's an inward aspectist that they would
Speaker 1: have to feel. Uh, in my opinion, uh as like
Speaker 1: you obviously have failed by this point because you know,
Speaker 1: like you're not good enough to keep the best picture
Speaker 1: in baseball from a from a front office perspective.
Speaker 3: I would love to see someone deliver that exact message.
Speaker 3: List of all these guys, why we just traded Schooble.
Speaker 3: It's your fault. It's your fault, it's your fault, and
Speaker 3: it's your fault. That probably wouldn't go over too well you.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, but.
Speaker 3: But it might not be wrong.
Speaker 1: Also but they but they would also have to know
Speaker 1: that too, Like you have to know that like we,
Speaker 1: like I haven't done enough to like put this team forward,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the guys that are struggled
Speaker 1: and and you know, believe me, there's.
Speaker 2: Quite a few.
Speaker 1: Uh so, so yeah, Wednesday, I'm sure will be It
Speaker 1: will be strange. It will be strange, Cody, because that's
Speaker 1: a day game, so obviously, you know, vives are different
Speaker 1: than a night game or whatever. And like, could Schoolbul's
Speaker 1: last start be at America Park, as I remember the
Speaker 1: Tigers be in front of a fraction of the crowd
Speaker 1: that normally is associated with Schooble days, You.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean? That almost that almost doesn't seem right, you.
Speaker 3: Know, liked game. If it's the last one that would be,
Speaker 3: I would be unfortunate. That would kind of add to
Speaker 3: the the I don't even know what the word is,
Speaker 3: just the awkwardness around this, this whole thing. If if
Speaker 3: it were to be the end, it's kind of a weird. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it would be a weird.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be It would feel you, you know, feeling make
Speaker 1: you feel longing and and you know that's another thing
Speaker 1: too with this team is that they just kind of
Speaker 1: make you feel longing for like it just just don't
Speaker 1: unnecessarily go to third base, you know, just just feel
Speaker 1: the ground ball, you know what I mean, Just just
Speaker 1: don't just just you know, just lay off, lay off
Speaker 1: the breaking ball out low and outside, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Just it's like, ah, because I know, I
Speaker 1: know it's in there, and and I do believe it
Speaker 1: is a good team with a bad record and a
Speaker 1: horrendous back end bullpen at times. But this felt like
Speaker 1: a settling weekend to me. And I guess that's kind
Speaker 1: of why I like, it's like affecting my mood a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 3: But we'll see that. You know, his momentum a real
Speaker 3: thing in baseball or not. You know, the Orioles are
Speaker 3: coming in, they're playing a lot better, but the Tigers
Speaker 3: are going to roll out Cater Montero and Troy Melton
Speaker 3: and Trek Scouble. So if they sweep art, is the
Speaker 3: mood back up? Like I don't know. Yeah, well, and
Speaker 3: that's kind of one of the things, like I think
Speaker 3: the front off is, especially this front off has to
Speaker 3: remove itself, removes or does remove itself from kind of
Speaker 3: those ebbs and flows that the players feel and that
Speaker 3: the fans feel, and that that we kind of go
Speaker 3: through as well. Their job is not really to get
Speaker 3: caught up in that. Their job is to kind of
Speaker 3: look at it more from from thirty thousand feet and
Speaker 3: so that just reinforces I'm not sure what happens in
Speaker 3: the Orioles series is actually going to impact their decision.
Speaker 3: I do think this past weekend might have been where
Speaker 3: you kind of have to draw that line and say,
Speaker 3: all right, this is our situation. We got to figure
Speaker 3: out how to proceed.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Now, now you talk about this, it's like they have
Speaker 1: to know exactly the kind of framework that they would
Speaker 1: accept for a Schoogle trade right there. It's like it's
Speaker 1: got it's gotta check. They've got to check these boxes, right.
Speaker 3: And I would say there is some value in them
Speaker 3: pretending that they're they have not completely you know, conceded
Speaker 3: that they're going to trade Schoogle.
Speaker 1: They better have like a like and it's and it's
Speaker 1: going to be specific to each team that they you
Speaker 1: know that figure would be interested. But they they have
Speaker 1: to play it close to the vest because they don't
Speaker 1: want it out there, like you said that they're like
Speaker 1: engaged in conversations or whatever, because it will leak probably
Speaker 1: not from the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's already happening a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Yankees are gonna love to tell their fans
Speaker 1: that they're like in the tear schoobl sweepstakes.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The Dodgers are gonna love the villain arc of saying
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know, you know you could you go
Speaker 1: get school.
Speaker 2: You know, those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: So like this could be a very quick developing trade
Speaker 1: whenever it does happen, because I do think in addition
Speaker 1: to just you want to take it to the last second,
Speaker 1: they don't want to engage and tip their hand into
Speaker 1: the last second, and so like they they they better
Speaker 1: have their formulas all ready to go just to kind
Speaker 1: of enter in you know, the players and their stats
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, yep, that's a good trade because
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen really fast in my finion, maybe right.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to a break Cody.
Speaker 1: Then after that we'll talk about Labor Tourres Little Labor
Speaker 1: Torres action, the guy that kind of needs to get
Speaker 1: going here a little bit.
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Speaker 2: All right, coming back here, you know it.
Speaker 1: It's obviously never a great time to get injured, right,
Speaker 1: But looking at some of the glabor tors his numbers
Speaker 1: when he had his second oblique injury of the season,
Speaker 1: you know, in the month of June. Cody so his
Speaker 1: last game was the fifteenth of June. In the month
Speaker 1: of June, he was hitting three forty one, like like
Speaker 1: for the month, for the month, obviously not for the
Speaker 1: whole year, but for the month he was hitting three
Speaker 1: forty one. And since he's come back, he had the
Speaker 1: two hits in his first game back, but only two cents.
Speaker 1: And so like it's a you know, one ninety ballion average.
Speaker 1: I know, it's only a week's worth of games, but like,
Speaker 1: this is somebody who like all those great things that
Speaker 1: we talk about with Glaber Torres, like it's absent right
Speaker 1: now and and and and it's felt and you know,
Speaker 1: we talk about urgency. Kind of need to get going
Speaker 1: here because like you you, what you do impacts winning,
Speaker 1: and you're not bringing it right now. But I will
Speaker 1: say this, he does kick the crap out of sinkers.
Speaker 1: Cody of five ninety five slug against singers four run
Speaker 1: value and Kyle Bradish loves the sinker forty one percent
Speaker 1: to right handed hitters. So maybe maybe maybe Monday's a
Speaker 1: launching pad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, write that one down. That's a good stat Yeah.
Speaker 3: Gliber just still looks a little bit rusty to me,
Speaker 3: to be honest. I mean, we've seen like the day
Speaker 3: just fair like. I think they're kind of trying to
Speaker 3: ease him back into this thing, so he hasn't quite
Speaker 3: looked right. The bat speed just at least feels a
Speaker 3: little bit slow right now, and that's an interesting thing.
Speaker 3: Hovey Bias is nearing a return, and asking aj Hinch
Speaker 3: about Hovey, it was like he mentioned Glaber. He's like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, we we love to have him back. Hovey
Speaker 3: probably is ready to be back asap, but you have
Speaker 3: to make sure the hamstrings are good and the obliques
Speaker 3: are good and like that you're all the way back
Speaker 3: in playing shape. And he pointed to Glaber as an
Speaker 3: example of that. So, yeah, look, Labor is a professional hitter,
Speaker 3: all right. I'm not too worried about him, but yeah,
Speaker 3: sure there's urgency. And he's a fascinating player. In the
Speaker 3: trade discussion too, we haven't really talked about that a
Speaker 3: ton with him, but another guy on an expiring deal.
Speaker 3: Right handed bats are at a real premium right now,
Speaker 3: and you could argue a right handed bat remains one
Speaker 3: of the Tigers needs. I don't know that they're going
Speaker 3: to really be able to get one if they're doing
Speaker 3: the thread the needle things. There not a lot of
Speaker 3: great options out there, and it seems like the prices
Speaker 3: are already really high if you look at the Red
Speaker 3: Sox Nationals trade that went down, so Glaber could have
Speaker 3: a lot of value to some other teams. At the
Speaker 3: same time, he's one of the most valuable players on
Speaker 3: the Tigers. When he's going right, their order just has
Speaker 3: a much different feel to it. We'll see if he
Speaker 3: can get going right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, does Lee play into that at all? His
Speaker 1: play of late eleven games streak? You know, it just
Speaker 1: seems like every every time you look, Lee's doing something
Speaker 1: you like.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's an interesting thing too. I mean
Speaker 3: I don't yeah, because you still want how You Lee
Speaker 3: in this lineup. We talked about that, right, you want
Speaker 3: this kid playing He's he's crushing it. I remain I
Speaker 3: want to acknowledge what how You Lee has done again,
Speaker 3: like been really impressive, been that kind of surprise the
Speaker 3: Tigers have needed. I'm a little skeptical what it's looking
Speaker 3: like going forward. You look at the advanced stats right now,
Speaker 3: they're really not great. Still a lot of whiff and
Speaker 3: that's always been one of the biggest concerns both chase
Speaker 3: and end zone with he's not walking right now. He
Speaker 3: did walk more in the minor leagues, so I think
Speaker 3: that's encouraging. He was his whole thing was kind of
Speaker 3: exit vlo and being able to barrel up the ball.
Speaker 3: He actually hasn't done that at quite the rate you
Speaker 3: would want, despite his pretty clear success results wise, He's
Speaker 3: going to start getting pitched a lot harder. I think
Speaker 3: opposing teams are going to really start trying to get
Speaker 3: him to chase more. We saw him chase above the
Speaker 3: zone with really good success on Saturday, but you know,
Speaker 3: is he going to start seeing everything above or spin below.
Speaker 3: That's a recipe that can trick a lot of guys
Speaker 3: as they make their adjustment to the big leagues. I
Speaker 3: think how you Lee is about to have to be
Speaker 3: able to make an adjustment, and that will maybe give
Speaker 3: us a much better idea of kind of how much
Speaker 3: this is for real. But you're right what he's done lately.
Speaker 3: If the Tigers were to trade Gliber Toerez, you might
Speaker 3: not feel terrible about it because you would have someone
Speaker 3: who has at least at least proved their metal a
Speaker 3: little bit in how you lead to take over that
Speaker 3: playing time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my dad's favorite players. I loved him from
Speaker 1: the first time I saw him play and we were
Speaker 1: watching the game on Saturday. He was getting up to
Speaker 1: uh to go to the bathroom. He came back in
Speaker 1: right after the home run.
Speaker 2: He's like, who hit the home run? I was like,
Speaker 2: your boy, your boy did it again.
Speaker 3: He's pulling the ball. Now, he's pulling fastballs. He's he's
Speaker 3: doing a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tough play there, fielding, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's never going to be pretty. But again,
Speaker 3: the Tigers always think he's grated out better than he
Speaker 3: has looked. So take that for what it's worth.
Speaker 2: Do we have an idea of what the roster move
Speaker 2: would be with Hovey.
Speaker 3: And add that to the long list of mysteries. Kerry
Speaker 3: Carpenter came out of Sunday's game this heel injury. He's
Speaker 3: still nagging at him. He's going to get evaluated. So
Speaker 3: it's possible it's carry to the IL have up in
Speaker 3: the big leagues. Let's say karp is able to avoid
Speaker 3: the IL. I think you then have a pretty interesting
Speaker 3: decision between James Outman and Ben mal Jerry. Hopefully we're
Speaker 3: not completely overlooking anything like we were with the Valencia
Speaker 3: thing a while back. That was a bad one because
Speaker 3: if you bring Hovey buyas up, like how committed are
Speaker 3: you to playing him in center field almost every day?
Speaker 3: That sounds great in theory, but we just talked about
Speaker 3: the rust thing, the health thing. That's kind of asking
Speaker 3: a lot. Now you could still mix some some Veerling
Speaker 3: or even McKinstry, but do you view Hovey as your
Speaker 3: center fielder or do you still want him playing some shortstop?
Speaker 3: That's one question. Outman has done some nice things for you.
Speaker 3: He's also hitting what one fifty, and that's kind of
Speaker 3: becoming more apparent that that's and so if you're not
Speaker 3: playing Outman really for the defense every single day, even
Speaker 3: though he's a left handed bat like that, pretty quickly
Speaker 3: to me, becomes an empty roster spot, a guy who
Speaker 3: maybe he's like a base running replacement and an occasional
Speaker 3: defensive sub, but not a guy you're pinch hitting. You're
Speaker 3: kind of taking away a bench bat option from aj
Speaker 3: Hinch if you leave Outman on this roster. I think
Speaker 3: now same thing could go. Let's say you get rid
Speaker 3: of Outman, but Hobby's playing more outfield? What is Ben
Speaker 3: mal Jerry's role? And that's a young guy you probably
Speaker 3: do want, you don't want him just stashed on the bench.
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure there's a perfect solution. I do
Speaker 3: think those are the options that play, though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the whole carry thing, like, you know, if you.
Speaker 3: Lose carry, you're gonna want to find another left handed
Speaker 3: bat somehow, And who is it? Like can you work
Speaker 3: that's a puzzle? Can you work Jace Young back into
Speaker 3: this thing? But I don't know that you can play
Speaker 3: Young and Lee and Labor and Hobby?
Speaker 1: Oh lord, yeah, I have some fun not so fun
Speaker 1: thoughts on that one, Cody uh And and then you know,
Speaker 1: kind of wrap up this this injury segment here Jack
Speaker 1: Flaherty like what do we what we what do we
Speaker 1: know about him? Because again talk about talk about guys
Speaker 1: that you know, future at least with the teams could
Speaker 1: be up in the air, you know.
Speaker 3: Like, so I'm I'm stressed right now. They are all
Speaker 3: these questions and I don't have any of the answers,
Speaker 3: and I don't necessarily think the Tigers quite know every
Speaker 3: answer yet either. Talk to Jack a little bit today
Speaker 3: and he said, you know, I probably could be throwing.
Speaker 3: It seems like we're playing it a little slower. He
Speaker 3: didn't seem to be thrilled with that. He's ready to
Speaker 3: basically get back. Then asked aj Hinge about it, and
Speaker 3: he's like, well, we're getting more, you know, further evaluations,
Speaker 3: different opinions. So I guess that's kind of standard operating procedure.
Speaker 3: But that also makes me think, Okay, I was always
Speaker 3: skeptical that a forearm inflammation was just going to be
Speaker 3: fifteen days and everything was fine, and this is are
Speaker 3: we already seeing signs that maybe it's something a little
Speaker 3: bit more I don't know. And then yeah, flarity a
Speaker 3: huge trade deadline component. A guy that if they are
Speaker 3: going to inter cell mode you would want to sell.
Speaker 3: Even if they're entering thread the needle mode, he could
Speaker 3: be you know, some salary you would want to offload.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be pretty hard to offload if he's dealing
Speaker 3: with a forearm injury. That's up in the air. So
Speaker 3: not sure. Jack at least seems seemed to think, you know, hey,
Speaker 3: no big deal, I'm ready to get going. But he
Speaker 3: also said Tuesday, you know, he thinks I guess that
Speaker 3: would be his bullpen day. He kind of hopes to
Speaker 3: have more answers by Tuesday and maybe some clarity on
Speaker 3: all these trickle down effects will come after that.
Speaker 1: Man, Well, I'll tell you, I mean split with the
Speaker 1: royals with you know, like I said at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the pie like and just all this other stuff
Speaker 1: going on, just it feels more and more muddy Cody,
Speaker 1: and is coming.
Speaker 2: That's if you.
Speaker 1: Want to have a smile on your fav We want
Speaker 1: to make Cody smile, Like remind the media, I remind
Speaker 1: Cody that clarity is coming. Clarity is around the corner,
Speaker 1: and all these things that we spent months in some
Speaker 1: cases years like discussing, are all gonna be And we
Speaker 1: don't have.
Speaker 3: To get August fourth, all right, We're gonna get there.
Speaker 3: Calendar will keep turning August fourth. I don't know what
Speaker 3: exactly what's gonna happen, but that dust will settle and
Speaker 3: we will get there and and then then we can
Speaker 3: really break it all down and what it means.
Speaker 2: Yeah, then we can move forward. All right.
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