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Speaker 2: Episode three ninety eight with Corey Kent. The song went

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Speaker 1: The Windows.

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Speaker 2: Corey Kent is his name. I mean, he's been a hustle.

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Speaker 2: He did over one hundred shows in a year. He

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Speaker 3: I think when it comes to new artists sometimes you

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Speaker 2: There's a story inside of this I don't even want

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good man, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Big Spy? I've been to Bigsby?

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Speaker 1: I mean you could have. My house was not someplace

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, my mom was really good about like

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Speaker 2: What's the Willie encounter?

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Speaker 1: So I just got my driver's license, was sixteen, and

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Speaker 1: Don't really have the money. I'm sixteen. Every dollar I

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Speaker 1: I've always had that thought, but never, you know, never

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Speaker 1: I was like, can you find me some cardboard and

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Speaker 1: sign It said, uh, it's my dream to play a

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Speaker 1: The story gets better. I haven't really been able to

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Speaker 2: So we got all the room. Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: So the full story is. The short story is I

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm up in the nosebleed. It's like

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Speaker 1: I can hear, and he's like, okay, well you have

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Speaker 1: anything about my grandpa, makers Mark and Willie Nelson, like

433
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: that's the dream team. Okay. So he's feeling pretty good,

434
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: Like at this point, I think he's like eyes closed,

435
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 1: just listening, you know, vibeing to Willie. And so I

436
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 1: walked down there and I just walked past security like

437
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: fast enough that they don't ask for a wristband. Go

438
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 1: sit down there with my sign and they're like third row,

439
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: like their seats were good because this was like a

440
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: I think a birthday present or something for my grandpa.

441
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: And I just sitting there and he's vibing out and

442
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna hold this sign up. So I

443
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 1: hold the sign up and Willie leans over, takes the

444
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 1: bandana off his head, throws it at me like pretty

445
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 1: much saying, hey, I see you, but put the sign down.

446
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: So I took the bandana and I put him in

447
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 1: my pocket. And then I held the sign back up

448
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 1: and he comes over there again and throws me another bandana, like,

449
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: for real, dude, you gotta put the sign down, thanks

450
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 1: for coming, and I took the bandana and I can

451
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 1: feel the tension behind me at this point. You know,

452
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 1: I'm blocking very expensive seats with this sign, and so

453
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 1: I turn around to a guy behind me and I'm like,

454
00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, dude, I gotta do this. I hold the

455
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: sign back up again, and then Willie finally leans over

456
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 1: and he's like, all right, kid, what do you want

457
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 1: to sing? And I was like, because of that moment

458
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,719
Speaker 1: that I always had in all these shows that I

459
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: was like tormented by of, like that should be me.

460
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: What would I do? I was like instantly, I was

461
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: like Milkow Blues, and he was like, why does this

462
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: kid know a nineteen thirties dust bowl western swing song?

463
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: And is honestly, because I knew nobody at that concert

464
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 1: wanted to see Corey sing Blue Eyes Crying in the Rain.

465
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 1: They wanted to see Willy sing that, and that's not

466
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: a realistic expectation to have. So I was like, I'm

467
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: gonna play a song that I know that Willy knows

468
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: that I've seen him cover before that he loves that's

469
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: not his and the band's gonna know because it's a standard,

470
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: and so he goes, well, get up here, and dude,

471
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: the next you know, ten minutes is a complete blur.

472
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: I ended up walking past security. The song's already started,

473
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: like the band started the song, and I'm like running

474
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 1: up trying to get to the mic in time. And

475
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: I walk up to the mic and he goes, what's

476
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,719
Speaker 1: your name? I was like Corey, and he goes, this

477
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 1: is Corey. Everybody and the crowd's like ah. Like the

478
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: first thought across my mind is like, nobody is gonna

479
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: believe this. Like my uncle is on his way to

480
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,360
Speaker 1: the nosebleeds, like not paying attention. My grandpa has had

481
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 1: a lot of makers and he's kind of a storyteller anyway.

482
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: So I'm like, nobody's gonna believe him. And nobody my age,

483
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: nobody from my high school is at this Willie Nelson show,

484
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: like and this is before everybody has iPhones. So I'm like,

485
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna believe this. And so I walk up to

486
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: the mic and Willy looks over at me and he's

487
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 1: like standing really close to the mic, just I think

488
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: if I'm reading it properly, like if this kid just

489
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: completely freezes up, I have to take over. So he's

490
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: right by his mic, and I walk up and I

491
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: start singing the first few words and he's like, I'll

492
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: never forget this much, dude. He just gives me the

493
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: biggest ear to ear grin and backs off the mic

494
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: and nods and just like just plays, just plays and

495
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: lets me sing the whole song. And at one point,

496
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, I God, I really don't feel that old,

497
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: but I definitely am gonna like date myself with gen

498
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: Z right now. Of I definitely took out a flip

499
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: phone and tried to take a picture because I was like,

500
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna believe this. And I was shaking so bad

501
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 1: that the picture you can't even tell who's in the picture.

502
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 1: And I walked that was in the like solo section instrument.

503
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: I walked back up to the mic, finished the finish

504
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: the song, and Lucas Nelson was his guitar player on

505
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: that tour, so I got to meet Lucas, got to

506
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: meet Mickey, got to you know, talk with Willie for

507
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: a second. It was magical, and I just remember walking

508
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 1: off stage going okay, like if I needed a sign

509
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: this was it. Like I'm writing song, so I'm getting

510
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: back into music. And probably the wildest moment about this

511
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: whole thing is that when I make my way back

512
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: to my seat, I sit down in my uncle's seat. Really,

513
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: I sit down and the guy behind me taps me

514
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 1: on the shoulders and I'm like, oh god, this guy's

515
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: gonna lay into me. And he goes, Hey, if you

516
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: don't hold the sign up again, I'll send you the

517
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: video that I just took.

518
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: Oh come on, And I was.

519
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, no freaking way. And so he's

520
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 1: like the only dude in the whole crowd. They got

521
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 1: footage of this, and it's the only video that exists

522
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: is on YouTube, and it's super blurry because I think

523
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: it was like a handheld camera or something like I cam.

524
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: It was not an iPhone, but it was. That was

525
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: such a cool, like full circle moment of you know,

526
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: the guy that I totally have been pissing off for

527
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: the last hour.

528
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: That is a crazy story. And here's a clip from

529
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 2: that performance back in the day.

530
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 4: We interrupt this interview to bring you a message from

531
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 4: our sponsor, and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

532
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: And then so I graduated a year early from high

533
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: school because I wanted to go to Nashville, and so

534
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: I moved purposefully.

535
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: Did you cram hours? Yep, so you could leave.

536
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 1: I took dual credit at the local college, so it

537
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: was knocking out my high school stuff. But it was

538
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: also kind of giving me a jump start at college.

539
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: But that was because I was going to take a

540
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 1: whole year to go do the songwriting thing. So my

541
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: senior year of high school was spent crashing in my

542
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: truck and sleeping on friends' couches in Nashville.

543
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask, if you're seventeen and you move here,

544
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: I mean, you're not even an adult. So when your

545
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: parents like two thumbs up, go ahead hit it?

546
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty much.

547
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: Did they push back at all? Your mom pushed back

548
00:26:59,200 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: at all?

549
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: Not? Man, you know they I think they had been

550
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: exposed to the world, the music world, because I mean

551
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: they'd been Honestly, it was probably more like, thank god

552
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: you have keys, because we've been driving your butt to

553
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: all these shows for the last six years. Never again

554
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: will I take you to a show. Here's your keys.

555
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: Like I was already making trips at sixteen to Atlanta,

556
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: Georgia to play at Eddie's Addic because that was the

557
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: only spot outside of Oklahoma that would give me a

558
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: chance to play anywhere. There's a guy named Andy Hingley

559
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: there who's now like the Live Nation guy in the Southeast.

560
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: He runs everything down there, but at the time he

561
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: was booking Eddie's Attic and he's he's chance encounter saw

562
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: me play somewhere. It was like, Hey, you're in Oklahoma,

563
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: but I'll give you one hundred bucks and I'll put

564
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: you on sold out shows, on the front of sold

565
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: out shows, and you can come play and you can

566
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: stay on my couch. So I was already back and

567
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: forth to Atlanta every chance I got, So they knew

568
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: that I could drive there safely and back. But yeah,

569
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: I think they just they knew they could probably try

570
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: to stop me, but it wouldn't even work.

571
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: You know, what did you do when you got here?

572
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: Because I mean, did you have a system of friends

573
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: at all that also wrote?

574
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: And I knew I knew one person, actually I knew

575
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: I knew nobody that lived in Nashville. I knew the Halsey's,

576
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: which Jim and Sherman Halsey, who managed the Oakridge Boys

577
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: and Roy Clark and a lot of the acts that

578
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: we got to open for. I had met them through that,

579
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: and they brought me out here one time and introduced

580
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: me to one person really that helped me make my connections.

581
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: And he probably like if you were to ask him

582
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 1: about this, he probably doesn't remember this. But his name

583
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: is Daniel Lee, and I have no idea where he

584
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: is now. I know he's still in the music industry,

585
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: but he was at a place called ten Tin Publishing

586
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: at the time and they brought me in. They introduced

587
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: me to Daniel and he was like, well, what are

588
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: you to do. I was a sixteen year old kid.

589
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about the music industry outside of just

590
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: how to play a show. And I was like, well,

591
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: I want to learn how to write songs. And he goes, Okay,

592
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: I run a full on publishing company. I need to

593
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: put my guys with guys that are good at writing songs,

594
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: otherwise it's to waste their time. But here's a list.

595
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm going to print you off a list of ten

596
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: writers that don't have publishing deals that I think are good,

597
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: and here's their info. And he gave me a print

598
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: off and a cell phone numbers of ten writers that

599
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: he thought were good, and I cold called every one

600
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: of them and was like, I'm this new dude from Oklahoma.

601
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: I've written three songs, but Daniel says you're good, and

602
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: I'd love to write a song. And a couple of

603
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: those guys like songs have made my records are there,

604
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: you know, Like Josh Matheeni was on that list, and he's, uh,

605
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, he's like a crazy talented ACM of the

606
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: Year nominee for I don't know, instrumentalist I think anyways,

607
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: I don't know what he is, but he's a great,

608
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: great musician, great songwriter. Josh dor was on that list,

609
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: and from there I just kind of made friends and

610
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: then their friends became my friends, and I've crashed on

611
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: all those guys couches. And Josh Dore's roommate was Jordan

612
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: Davis at the time, so I'm like over at Josh's

613
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: house and then I met Jordan Davis and then I

614
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: was like, do you want to write? And he was

615
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: like sure, So then we wrote a few songs and

616
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: then that was like the first time I saw what

617
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: a guy from you know, the early days that like

618
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: blew up. I was like, oh my gosh, that's the

619
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: same guy, you know. And we're friends now, but just

620
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: cold called people. And one right turned into five and

621
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: by the end of the year, I was writing like

622
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: every day and working my way up.

623
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: You don't live here, no, I was just in Fresco

624
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: for ACMs. That's where you live.

625
00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: That's where I live.

626
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: Fresco. It's a good spot, you know, Yeah, why Frisco.

627
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: So in twenty nineteen, I got dropped from my pub

628
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: deal in Nashville, and my wife and I were living here.

629
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: We had our first baby, and we were just kind

630
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: of like, you know what, the only thing that was

631
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: keeping us here is gone. And we had our first

632
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: little little girl and we had another on the way.

633
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: Whe were like, we want to raise our kids around

634
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: family if we can, and there's nothing holding us back

635
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: from doing that now. So we decided on the FW

636
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: area and moved back and just kind of prioritized our family.

637
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, man at the time, like the

638
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: year spent in Nashville, I had nothing to show for it, Like,

639
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have any big cuts. I didn't I was

640
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: kind of waiting for the magic song to like change

641
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: my life, and it just never happened. So I was like, man,

642
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: you know what, at least back where we're from, you

643
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: can just go build it the old school way. You

644
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 1: just go play the honky tongs and get a van

645
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: and a trailer and you go do the thing. So

646
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: I was like, that seems more suited for my skill

647
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: set than anything else. So let's you know, move out there,

648
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,959
Speaker 1: work twice as hard at music. And she's just kind

649
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: of from that area, so that's why we chose that area.

650
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: And it's just a couple hours away from my folks

651
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: up in Oklahoma, so it just seemed like a good

652
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: happy medium. And then we basically everybody in Nashville's like, hey,

653
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: that's a horrible idea. If you want a music career,

654
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't leave Music City. We're like, yeah, but it's

655
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: not working here. We'll just work twice as hard on

656
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: the road from Texas and you know, let God figure

657
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: out the rest. And so we moved. And then right

658
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: about that time is the time the whole world shut down.

659
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: So it was a horrible time to move and be

660
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: out of work with two kids and music's not a thing.

661
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: So have you found yourself. I guess maybe, and maybe

662
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 2: you're not having to do that because you have I mean,

663
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 2: you're all on our record, But how did that come about?

664
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: Because you're on a big record label.

665
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, did just a long and winding road to write

666
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: here the thirty thousand foot views. When I got to Texas,

667
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: the world shut down and I had to figure out

668
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: something else because couldn't you know, pay the bills, have

669
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: a wife and two kids, and now I think at

670
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: this at this point, I got a third on the way,

671
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: and it was like file for unemployment or learn how

672
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: to do something new. Those were the two options. And

673
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: so I went to work for a pavement company in Dallas, Texas,

674
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: and didn't really think much of it. It wasn't like

675
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: a now I'm not a musician. It was like, there

676
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: are no musicians right now. It's not a not a thing.

677
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: You can't go play live music. So I just put

678
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: my head down, went to work, and I started playing

679
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: at this Mexican restaurant right down the road from our

680
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: house because it was the only place that I knew

681
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: of that would allow live music. So I was just

682
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: doing it because it had to like for my soul

683
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: and just kind of keeping the rust off that way,

684
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: and I think I was so motivated by the time that,

685
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, luckily I lived in Texas. Texas was kind

686
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: of like the first place to go. All right, we're

687
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: going back to normal, We're gonna try this. And so

688
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: honky Tonks and local bars and stuff started opening up

689
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: one by one and doing like seated shows, and I

690
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: start I got my first opportunity at a real show

691
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: to go open for Flatland Cavalry in like January of

692
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: twenty one, and I just remember thinking, Okay, the world

693
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: just gave us like a caution lap in Nascar, Like, no,

694
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: I'm not even a NASCAR fan. This is the best

695
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: analogy I could think of. I do love Nascar, but

696
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm not like a diehard. But I know what a

697
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: caution lap is. You know what a caution lap is.

698
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: I do, and I'll fall a Nascar at all, Okay,

699
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 2: but I get the analogy.

700
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: Okay, So I feel like the whole world like there

701
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 1: was a crazy wreck and everybody slowed down to the

702
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 1: same pace, and then this pace car is out there,

703
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: and then eventually that pace car leaves the track and

704
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: it's like may the best man win? Like the playing

705
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: fields are kind of even again, right, the people that

706
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: had these big leads, they had to start from ground

707
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: zero again too seemingly, And I just remember going, I'm

708
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: gonna take full advantage of the caution lap, like I

709
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 1: will not be out hustled from this moment on, and

710
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: Texas gave me the ability to start building again, Like

711
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: I started playing as much as I could, and eventually

712
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: my shows outweighed. I was having to take off work

713
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: at the pavement company to go play shows, and that

714
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: was kind of the tipping point. While I'm still working

715
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: at the pavement Company, I recorded Wild as Her. I

716
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: was just taking every opportunity I could to keep building

717
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: back because I wanted to get back to music so badly,

718
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: and it was such a far fetched thing that every

719
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: opportunity I got, I took for a whole year, lost

720
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: so much money, you know, just paying the band and

721
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: play one hundred and fifty dollars opening slots for a

722
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: whole year, played one hundred and five shows year, and

723
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: in January of twenty one we got one show, So

724
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: we played the first two or three months we got

725
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: maybe ten shows total. So the last nine months of

726
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: the year we played ninety plus shows. And just hustled

727
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: and it built into this thing, and Wild This Hurt

728
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: started growing, and it just I might have my timeline

729
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: off on that we recorded it, but we hadn't released it,

730
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: but our live show started growing. Then by the time

731
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: we released Wild This Hurt, we were like, I don't know,

732
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: eight singles in of consistently releasing music like every six

733
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: to eight weeks, and it just popped like a couple

734
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: weeks into being out, my manager called me. It was like, hey,

735
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: you're having extremes. Yes, yeah, you're having a moment. And

736
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: I was like, how and he said, you're not a

737
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: video like you not a video or something on your socials.

738
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: But the song itself has just gone viral, like everybody's

739
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: making videos to it. It's a thing. And I was like,

740
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And then you showed me the streaming

741
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: numbers and it was like ten times bigger than everything

742
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: we've done. And then we just kept building it on

743
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: the road. And you know, that's what we do that

744
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: we're live musicians. So I think the culmination of like

745
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: we essentially were a live act, like an old school

746
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: building on the road act that had a viral moment,

747
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: which doesn't really happen. Usually it's like, yeah, viral moments

748
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: from viral.

749
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 2: Acts, and you didn't even know you had a viral

750
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: moment til someone called to tell you had a viral moment.

751
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it was. It was hard to believe. And

752
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: then we started seeing, you know, everybody knowing every word

753
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: to the song at all of these shows that we

754
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: were playing.

755
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: Could you notice more people coming to shows just organically

756
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 2: or was there a growth but you just thought, hey,

757
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 2: we're moving, we're gathering fans because we're pretty good now.

758
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt more like that. It was in an

759
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: overnight like oh, shoot, this is where we've arrived. It

760
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: wasn't that. It was actually kind of a like when

761
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: we put the song out, there wasn't much of an

762
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: initial reaction. It was like a few months into the

763
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: song being out that it just took off. And then

764
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: we started to see, you know, ticket numbers are starting

765
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: to move. And but what was cool about that moment

766
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: is we already had two records out, so it was like,

767
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: who's this new guy. Oh, we have twenty something songs

768
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: we can go dive into. So then the live shows,

769
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: people were showing up for one song, but they also

770
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: knew seven other songs from a band that's brand new,

771
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: so it just grew really quick. It wasn't like people

772
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: were standing around waiting on one song, which happens a

773
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: lot with new acts that have their first thing. For us,

774
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: it was like people are singing along with us, like

775
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: a majority of the set, and then they we get

776
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: to the last song and they're just losing their minds

777
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: and everybody's posting about it. And now people got fomos.

778
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: So the next time we roll into it starts to

779
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: sell quick and just a big snowball at that point.

780
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: Can you trace back what actually happened with that song?

781
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: Like do you know the first person who posted in

782
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: a big video? Do you know, because there's always some

783
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: sort of genis some again, yeah lucky moment where somebody

784
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: likes it and shares it somewhere and then but before

785
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: you know it, other people go out is a good song?

786
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: Could you trace it back?

787
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: So I know that we were like I went to

788
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: school for business, like I run, and I enjoy that

789
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: side of the music business, and like I had, I

790
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: owned a merchandising company, So when we were at the shows,

791
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: like my company's printing the T shirts and we're so

792
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: we're looking at everything like a like a business, right,

793
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: And so we've tried a bunch of different marketing plans

794
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: at this point, and we didn't have a booking agent

795
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: playing you know, one hundred plus shows a year. We

796
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: did just get a manager who was really helping me,

797
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: who was like the mastermind behind all the social media stuff.

798
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, you know, how do you

799
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: feel about TikTok and all this stuff? And I was like, man,

800
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: if I could just play music, that's what I would do.

801
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: And I know a lot of artists feel that way.

802
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, so we have to find a

803
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: way to use this that's authentic to you. And I

804
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: was like, well, what if we have other people who

805
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: are naturally, like really good at this promote our song

806
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: for us instead of me trying to promote our song.

807
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: And so we started down that road and he every

808
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: release of those eight ten songs whatever, leading up to

809
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: Wild is Her, we were constantly just tweaking the knobs

810
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: on social media, like we started hiring I call it

811
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: like gorilla warfare of social media. We started hiring like

812
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: individuals I think probably before that was popular, Like we

813
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: were singing in other spaces, but not necessarily in country music,

814
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: like you know, people were hiring bloggers for their clothing lines,

815
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: but nobody was like, hey, social media guy, you know

816
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: sing this, do something to this song. And so we

817
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: started there of like, let's get this guy that seems

818
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: like they have some fan overlap their fans probably like

819
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: country music. Let's try them. Well, initially it started out

820
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: like let's try to give them an idea to do

821
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: something on their video, and that backfired. It was like

822
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: when we would try to create something that we thought

823
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: would work, it wouldn't work. But then when we by

824
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: wild as Her, we were like, hey, we're gonna hire

825
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: you to We're gonna throw you little money, and we

826
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: want you to do whatever you want with the song.

827
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: And that was like the magic recipe, Like they were

828
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 1: doing stuff that was on brand for them and there

829
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: and they're following. And it wasn't me doing a TikTok

830
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: dance that I sucked at and that like feeling like

831
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: way out of my room and never had to do

832
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: any of that. I never had to like be a

833
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: look at me personality. It was like, let's let the

834
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: people that are naturally like that do their thing and

835
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: let's let him use a song, and we hired a

836
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: handful of people. But what was I think the domino

837
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: that fell was that people felt freedom to do whatever

838
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: they wanted, and it made other people want to do

839
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: whatever they wanted, and it just became the sound to

840
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: all of these different videos that had really no theme.

841
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: It was just like a sound that became a trend,

842
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: which was cool because like for us, again, we're just

843
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: a live band rolling around in a red van that

844
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: we call Rooster, playing Oklahoma in Texas, and now our

845
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: song is like one of the most viral songs on

846
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: the Internet. And when people were like, I wonder who

847
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: that guy is, they got two records to go find.

848
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: So it's kind of this perfect storm of events. But

849
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: I don't really know if there was one person in particular,

850
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: as much as it was just like a theme of

851
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: people are using the song and making whatever they want

852
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 1: that's authentic to them, which is like the culmination of everything.

853
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: For us, is like authenticity. If you don't believe it,

854
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: then you're not going to share it.

855
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 4: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

856
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,840
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857
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: The record Jet coming out June second, Blacktop is that

858
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: because that's what you did whenever you had to do

859
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: something for a minute other than what you love to do.

860
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was almost almost a two year stint.

861
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: I worked at a motorcycle shop for a little bit

862
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: and then went to the pavement company, and this is

863
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: Blacktop is really like a way of me paying tribute

864
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: to like the industry and the people that gave me

865
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: a chance to put food on the table for my

866
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: wife and three kids during the absolute hardest time of

867
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: my life. That's that's one reason that it's called Blacktop.

868
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: But also I started recording this while I was still

869
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: working in the pavement company, and it's got me back

870
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: on the road full time. So between those two things,

871
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: it just felt like Blacktop was the right name of

872
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: the journey. There's nothing in the songs that has the

873
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: lyric Blacktop in it, but it just felt like if

874
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: I had to name this chapter of my life, that's

875
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: what it would be.

876
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: I was looking at the track list, and you wrote

877
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: most of the songs on here, but Wild is Her.

878
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: Kelly Archer, Brett Tyler, Morgan Wallen all wrote that song.

879
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 2: How did that get to you those years ago?

880
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, Fortunately, right before I moved to Texas, I

881
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: had gotten dropped right on my pub deal and on

882
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 1: my way out. Essentially, I had one publishing company reach

883
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: out to me that had interest and we ended up

884
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: working out a deal. And they know this now, but

885
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: I was so scared to tell them I was moving

886
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: to Texas that I was so afraid that they wouldn't

887
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: work with me, they wouldn't sign the deal, that I

888
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: just didn't tell them. And so for a whole year,

889
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: every Monday, I would fly in and every Wednesday, I

890
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: would fly out, Wow, and I would tell them, Hey,

891
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, I've got a family at home. Thursday and Friday,

892
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: I need to not write. I'm probably not gonna be available.

893
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: And they would call me and I'd be like freaking out.

894
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh God, if I answer this and

895
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: they asked me where I'm at and if I can

896
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: come in, I'm done, They're gonna know. Well, turns out

897
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: they probably they probably wouldn't have cared, but it's hard

898
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: to know hindsight. They all know now, we all laugh

899
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: about it. But before I went to work for the

900
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: pavement company, before we knew that the world shutting down

901
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: was gonna be a thing for a while. That's what

902
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: I was doing, like flying in and out writing as

903
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: much as I could. And and Combustion is the name

904
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: of the publishing company, and wild just heard was a

905
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: Combustion song. So I learned because my friend Brett Tyler

906
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: wrote this song and Brett writes at Combustion. I was

907
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: the new guy at Combustion. Uh, and they just felt

908
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: like my brand and what I did live matched up

909
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: perfectly with this song and that we you know, if

910
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard the demo, but Morgan

911
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: obviously is like one of the best singers in the format,

912
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: if not the best. And I don't know, I think

913
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people just heard that and were like, oh,

914
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: it sounds like a Morgan song. I'm not gonna do it.

915
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: And I heard an opportunity to do it in the

916
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: style of our band, like we had a live thing,

917
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: and so we took a stab at it in the

918
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: studio and and it Uh, it came out pretty special

919
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: and sounding on brand with what we did and sounding

920
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: like our song. And uh yeah, people have people have

921
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: liked it has done pretty well for us.

922
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 4: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

923
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 4: Bobby cast.

924
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: Do you feel the need to move back to Nashville.

925
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: We've thought about it. Need No, I don't. I mean,

926
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: I'm on the road most of the time anyways, and

927
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: i have a lot of old friends here, and I've

928
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: started to bring people out to Texas to write, and

929
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: I've been writing a lot of my best stuff outside

930
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: of Nashville anyways, and it's always here, Like we have

931
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: a piece of land in Fairview that we bought in

932
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. That's like, if we ever need to go back,

933
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: that's where we're going to go. But right now it

934
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: makes more sense. All of our band increws from Oklahoma,

935
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: so they all live there except me and Bo, our

936
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: tour manager, live in Dallas. And it's just kind of

937
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: like a family thing that it just would feel weird to,

938
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, do this with a different family at this point.

939
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: So I think we're in Texas for the foreseeable future,

940
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: and that's where we want to raise our kids and

941
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: maybe when they get a little older, if it bought

942
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: us more time together, you know, if I could like

943
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: go to the studio and then come home at five

944
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: o'clock and see my family, I think that we would

945
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: really look at that, but right now, I'm just on

946
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: the road so much that I don't think it would

947
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: buy us much more time together. So we're we're in

948
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: Texas for now.

949
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: What did you do to celebrate when the song hit

950
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: number one? After all that? I mean, that's a lot,

951
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a lot for anybody, right This

952
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: is a business. Yeah, anything creative, it doesn't matter what

953
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 2: it is, because everybody wants to do it because it

954
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: looks fun. It really a lot of that's not and

955
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: it's very hard. That being said, a lot of people

956
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: go through crap. You went through a lot of crap

957
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: then you hit what'd you do well?

958
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: The first thing we did was we asked the venue.

959
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: We were playing in Lubbock, so we were like, it's

960
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: past the point of getting, you know, to the liquor

961
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: store to buy some champagne. And it was looking like

962
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: it was shaping up pretty good, and uh so we

963
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: asked the venue if they could track us down a

964
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 1: bottle of champagne. They did, and I did not feel

965
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: comfortable even with a lead. I mean, Morgan Wallin's in

966
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: the two spot, like that's the artist of a generation, man. Uh,

967
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: one of the best to ever do it, I'm not

968
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: comfortable until midnight and it's one hundred. So I think

969
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: my team was more that they were like, hey, congratulations.

970
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't don't say that till midnight, Like it's

971
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: not I'm not comfortable letting my guard down. And midnight

972
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: hit and you know we are. We're still in our van.

973
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: We get to go to a bus soon, but we

974
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: were playing in Love It and right by our van

975
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: and I jumped up on top of the van and

976
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, opened the bottle of champagne and we got

977
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: to have this moment as as a group that it's

978
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: the same guys from the moment that we recorded the

979
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: song to the time that it had a moment to

980
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: the time that it went number one, it's been the

981
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: same band and the same crew, and we just got

982
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: to like, I know these guys' wives, I know they're kids,

983
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: I know, like it's a family and it felt like

984
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: a huge family win and it was like super fitting

985
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: that I got to be there with them, these people

986
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: that have been on this journey from you know, that

987
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 1: Flatland Cavalry show that we opened up at Hurricane Harry's

988
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: where everybody was seated in socially distanced, and I remember

989
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: giving the pep top of like we are going to

990
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: we will never be out hustled from this point on,

991
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: like we have to build this thing and to be

992
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: there and to be standing there right next to like

993
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: not next to a tor boz, next to our van,

994
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: and be like, we have the number one song in

995
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: country music. It was such a powerful moment because it

996
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: was like against all odds, like the dude based out

997
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: of Texas working at the pavement company has the number

998
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: one song in country I mean.

999
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: And the length of this and the amount of time

1000
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: it took to get there too. Yeah, because you know

1001
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,720
Speaker 2: from March of twenty twenty two, I believe I'm guessing.

1002
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm not guessing, I'm educatedly guessing. Right, was it like

1003
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 2: March or Zone Kata single to What Are We In Now?

1004
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: May of twenty twenty three. Most times this song is

1005
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: given up on or giving up on out the word

1006
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: You're you celebrate that it May thirteen, because you're not

1007
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 2: going to put another seven weeks into it, right that? Also, Yeah,

1008
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 2: well it's not common.

1009
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: You know what was really cool about it is we We,

1010
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: which at the time wasn't cool because I didn't really

1011
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: know Parker McCollum all that well at the time, and

1012
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: he put out a song the same like, put a

1013
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: song to radio the same day as Wild as Her,

1014
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: and I'm going, oh, like he got most added, he

1015
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,439
Speaker 1: got all the things that I was hoping to get.

1016
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: And now we're really good friends, like we play a

1017
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: lot of shows together. He's like big brother, and we

1018
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 1: paced with him the whole way, And I think that

1019
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: is a huge reason why they were like, oh, this

1020
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: thing's doing well right, Like Parker's going for his third

1021
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: number one and he just got it the week before us,

1022
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: And we just followed a guy that had a track

1023
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: record and a big fan base and was established. Our

1024
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: song was pacing with his, So I think that that

1025
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: that helped us kind of. You know, if ever there

1026
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 1: was a moment of like, ah, do we keep going,

1027
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 1: I think that that was enough to go, well, Parker's

1028
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 1: crushing it and we're right there, like let's hang on.

1029
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: And the amount of time was like the song the

1030
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: song had been out for a little bit, but it

1031
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: hadn't been at radio super long either, so it's kind

1032
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: of had two lives. Like we released it independently and

1033
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: it went gold before any record deal. Was done, and

1034
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: then we signed with Sony RCA and they did their

1035
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they are some of the hardest workers. I'd

1036
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: never anticipated signing a major label deal and finding people

1037
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: that worked equally as hard as I did. And I've

1038
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: found that, Like there are killers in this organization. And

1039
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: they went to work and they doubled how big the

1040
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: song was and now it's you know, they worked at

1041
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: radio and it was a hard fought battle to get

1042
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: to that one spot and I'm just super proud that

1043
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: we I was telling them, look, even if we get

1044
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: to number two and that's where it dies. The fact

1045
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: that how it was done, like fans demanded it to

1046
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: go to radio really because it was it was consuming

1047
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: huge and people were screaming it on the other side

1048
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: of the world. We played in Australia and people are

1049
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: screaming this song to the point that we just let

1050
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: them sing it like it was amazing. The song has

1051
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 1: already done what it needed to do. I just wanted

1052
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: to know that the team that I had signed with

1053
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: was going to fight as hard as I was going

1054
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: to fight. And I saw that and then I was like,

1055
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: you know what, wherever it ends up is where it

1056
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: ends up. And thankfully, I like winning a lot more

1057
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 1: than not winning, and getting to one is just super gratifying.

1058
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: But I was really pleased with how just everybody's work ethic.

1059
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 2: Do you have the next single be announced it yet?

1060
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 2: Do you know it is a secret?

1061
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: It's not a secret. I mean, I think we're just

1062
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: we've got gut feelings, but you know, the record comes

1063
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: out June second, and we our most recent single is

1064
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: definitely our top performing release that we've ever had, which

1065
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: is called Something's Gonna Kill Me, And uh, I think

1066
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 1: it's I would love for that one to go to radio.

1067
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: What do they wait on?

1068
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: Like?

1069
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 2: What what are you waiting on for that to be official?

1070
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: Are they gonna let it all come out? And look

1071
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: at consumption?

1072
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it. I mean, I think

1073
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Speaker 1: that these days it's a little more calculated what you

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Speaker 1: take to radio, it seems again, I know, not like

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Speaker 1: I am learning on the fly. I know nothing about

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Speaker 1: the radio world. Like this is our first stab at

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Speaker 1: radio and it worked out really well, but that doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean I know much about it.

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Speaker 2: That's how worked to everybody though, Okay, gradually, well first time, yeah,

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Speaker 2: no problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's easiest from what I hear, so no,

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00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: but I think that's part of it, is like they

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00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: want to see how how the the fans like the song.

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Speaker 1: But I think the other part of it was like

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00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: we just had time because while the Serve is still

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00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: on the chart, it's not like we're gonna throw another

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00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: one at it. So now we're kind of in crunch

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00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: time to figure out what are we gonna do next,

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Speaker 1: And it seems like something's gonna kill me. Makes it

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Speaker 1: makes sense. It's doing well, it's on Exum right now,

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00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: it's performing well, it's streaming really well, fans are singing

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00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: it back to us live like it's got all the indicators.

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Speaker 1: But also this record, I just I could not pick one.

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Speaker 1: If I had to pick one, I don't. We have

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Speaker 1: a lot of radio worthy songs on the back half

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Speaker 1: of this record that hasn't come out yet, and as

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Speaker 1: a new artist, I think you only it's not like

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Speaker 1: I can go have eight singles off of the first

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Speaker 1: record with ten songs on it, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So we do need to be careful on how we pick,

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Speaker 1: but I don't I would be lying to you if

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Speaker 1: I said I could predict what people are gonna.

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Speaker 2: Like last question, does your rate go up now you're

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Speaker 2: guaranteed now that you have number one?

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Speaker 1: And I hope so?

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Speaker 2: I mean is that because for me, mine would go

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Speaker 2: up once I would sell comedy shows. They do like

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Speaker 2: you know fifteen hundred, you do that consistently. I never

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Speaker 2: had to chart. Mine was always my rate would go

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Speaker 2: up or my guarantee would go up once I had

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Speaker 2: been able to sustain ticket success has now that you

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Speaker 2: have a number one, that I mean that should be

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Speaker 2: like an automatic let's let's turn it up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would hope so. But like you, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we we've been building tickets like that's.

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Speaker 2: What hard tickets, which are the hardest thing to do

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Speaker 2: and also the most valuable.

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Speaker 1: Yep. So you know we can sell a few thousand

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Speaker 1: tickets in Oklahoma and Texas and uh and elsewhere too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, our our ticket sales have been really solid

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00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: and always on the upward trajectory. And now it's to

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Speaker 1: the point where it's like, you know, we're going on

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Speaker 1: tour with Jason Aldan and like the exposure was a

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Speaker 1: no brainer, but it was like, man, well shoot headlining shows,

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Speaker 1: like we can go make a great living doing that

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Speaker 1: should we should.

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Speaker 2: We'll make less money. I'll say it. You'll make less

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Speaker 2: money opening for Al Dan than you would have done

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Speaker 2: your own shows. Yes, but but there's currency also on

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00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: exposure on a big, massive show.

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Speaker 1: It's like investment seasons and then like reap the rewards seasons,

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00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: and you got to find a way to balance them.

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Speaker 1: And I never want to be the guy that is

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Speaker 1: just like stuck as an opening act. So you got

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00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: to you gotta pick and choose when you accept those things.

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Speaker 1: But this was we actually had turned down a tour

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00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: prior that was great exposure, same same pay, it just

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00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: didn't align with the brand as well, and so we

1139
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: were like, you know what, in this particular situation, we

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00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: feel like it's more valuable for our brand to go

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00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: back to the clubs and just build our headline stuff.

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Speaker 1: And then the Al Dene tour came along and it

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00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: was like, this feels pretty on brand with with what

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00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: we've got going, and I feel like this is an accelerator.

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00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: It's it became an investment season, right, And so I always,

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00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I would guess that it's almost always based

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00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: off of tickets, Like it doesn't matter if you have

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00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: ten number ones. If you can't sell three tickets, you think.

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Speaker 2: First of all, if you sell hard tickets already, that's me,

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00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: that's the key. So it's almost like you don't need

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Speaker 2: a number one because they are artists that tour that

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00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 2: don't have number one songs, right, that's guarantee is massive

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00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: because they can sell tickets, right, true, heard, tickets are

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00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: the hardest thing that if you have that data, you

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00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 2: can do whatever you want. Yeah, so yeah, your rate

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Speaker 2: is probably already defined by tickets and that's awesome because

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00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: you've created that. Well, look, dude, that's awesome. Congratulations on everything.

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Speaker 1: Thank you brother.

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Speaker 2: Have you met Willie?

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Speaker 1: Since No, I'm still I'm hoping for the day man,

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Speaker 1: just to just to be able to say thank you, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, he's not gonna I doubt he would

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00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: even remember that. That's probably happened a million times to him,

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Speaker 1: but to me, it happened once and it changed the

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00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: course of my life, Like it was a thing that

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Speaker 1: got me to go try my hand at writing songs.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, hopefully someday I can I can cross paths

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Speaker 1: with them, just shake his hand and tell them thank you.

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Speaker 2: Mine was the Wiggles when they called me up. Remember that, Mic,

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that you were so excited? I knew

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00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: ever since, oh ever since, I was like, this is

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00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 2: for me, this is it for me.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations man, And I know you're head from home and

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Speaker 2: have safe your poem and looking forward to seeing you again.

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 2: Heck y'all all right there he is.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Corey Kat.

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