WEBVTT - The Lost Cause

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tracy Vie Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. Holly, this

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<v Speaker 1>has been a weird year. What show that's a totally

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<v Speaker 1>normal I live in a closet. I mean, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>a weird year in general, has been a really weird

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<v Speaker 1>year to work on this podcast. We recorded an episode

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<v Speaker 1>back in March where we talked about some of that

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<v Speaker 1>and how just strange it was to be working on

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<v Speaker 1>the show and living in this moment that was clearly

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<v Speaker 1>historically significant, that moment being the pandemic at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>and that sense of strangeness has really continued. It also,

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<v Speaker 1>i think escalated with the other things that have also

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<v Speaker 1>happened since then. Yes, future historians will have quite a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of layers to peel on this onion that is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So like this whole sense of very surreal uh, stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that went on through the widespread protests against police

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<v Speaker 1>brutality and racism that started in the late spring and summer,

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<v Speaker 1>and now as we're recording this, the truly bizarre afterlife

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<v Speaker 1>of the presidential election. For most of this year has

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<v Speaker 1>really felt like either we just wrote an episode that's

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly not relevant anymore, or we've been working on episodes

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<v Speaker 1>feeling like they're just gonna come out in this black hole.

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<v Speaker 1>If we don't know what the world is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be like, then is this gonna seem really tone deaf

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<v Speaker 1>when it publishes in a week and a half. Yeah, so, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're recording this on December one. Who knows what the

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<v Speaker 1>world is going to be like when it actually gets

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<v Speaker 1>to people's feeds. In a way, with all this just bizarre, strange,

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<v Speaker 1>disorienting chaos that we have all been living through, the

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<v Speaker 1>election has felt uniquely disord orienting because there are clear

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<v Speaker 1>historical precedents for the pandemic and the protests and the

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<v Speaker 1>conditions that led to the protests, and we have talked

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<v Speaker 1>about a lot of those things on the show before.

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<v Speaker 1>But while there have been disputed elections in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really have a one to one comparison to

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<v Speaker 1>a sitting president having clearly lost the election making all

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of baseless and often verifiably false claims about having

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<v Speaker 1>actually won it in all caps yes. However, another piece

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<v Speaker 1>of this very strange post election season is this attempt

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<v Speaker 1>to just promote the idea that the election was somehow

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<v Speaker 1>rigged in favor of President elect Joe Biden. And so

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<v Speaker 1>if we look at things more generally and we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about attempts to create a narrative to reframe a loss

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<v Speaker 1>so that it will be more favorable to the losing side,

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<v Speaker 1>there are definite precedents for that in history, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of them is the subject of today's episode, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the myth of the Lost Cause of the Confederacy, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a distortion of the history of the US Civil

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<v Speaker 1>War that is still affecting the world today. Just a

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<v Speaker 1>heads up that we cannot possibly delve into every conceivable

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<v Speaker 1>nuance of this in an episode. UH. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>many books about how the Civil War is remembered is

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<v Speaker 1>called Race and Reunion The Civil War in American Memory.

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<v Speaker 1>That's by David W. Blight. And not counting the notes

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<v Speaker 1>and the index of that book, it is almost four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pages long, and the author describes that as a

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<v Speaker 1>quote synthetic and selective work on a vast topic. So

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<v Speaker 1>we are kind of looking at the big picture overview

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<v Speaker 1>of this and not every conceivable facet of it. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Lost Cause was part ideology, part social movement. Since

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<v Speaker 1>its purpose was to promote an a historical interpretation of

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<v Speaker 1>the U. S. Civil War, we gotta start with a

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<v Speaker 1>recap of what exactly the Lost Cause was trying to undermine.

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<v Speaker 1>Although there were other factors that played a much smaller role,

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<v Speaker 1>the primary issue that drove the U. S. Civil War was,

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<v Speaker 1>of course slavery. You can certainly make the argument that

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<v Speaker 1>the North went toward to preserve the union, but under

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<v Speaker 1>that argument, the reason the Union was in jeopardy in

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<v Speaker 1>the first place was still slavery. And this was not

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<v Speaker 1>a new division. Disagreements over slavery and efforts to accommodate

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<v Speaker 1>slave states for the sake of keeping the union together.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go all the way back to before the drafting

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<v Speaker 1>of the U. S. Constitution, and they're represented in the

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<v Speaker 1>Constitution itself. So all the language that we're about to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about still exists in the Constitution today, although the

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<v Speaker 1>thirteenth and fourteenth Amendments supersedes some of it. Article one,

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<v Speaker 1>Section two sets up the framework for the House of

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<v Speaker 1>Representatives and how members of that body will be apportioned.

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<v Speaker 1>It reads, in part quote, Representatives and directs taxes shall

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<v Speaker 1>be apportioned among the several states which may be included

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<v Speaker 1>within this Union, according to their respective numbers, which shall

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<v Speaker 1>be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons,

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<v Speaker 1>including those bound to service for a term of years,

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<v Speaker 1>and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other persons.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is known as the three fifths Compromise. And

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<v Speaker 1>even though it doesn't specifically mention slavery, everyone understood that

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<v Speaker 1>other persons here met enslaved Africans. Southern states wanted their

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved population to count for the purpose of apportionment, and

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<v Speaker 1>that would give those states more legislative power and help

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<v Speaker 1>protect the institution of slavery. They did not want their

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<v Speaker 1>tax burden to increase by that amount, though, so this

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<v Speaker 1>solution was to count three fifths of the enslaved population.

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<v Speaker 1>Article one, section nine address us the international slave trade,

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<v Speaker 1>though again without using that language, it reads quote, the

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<v Speaker 1>migration or importation of such persons as any of the

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<v Speaker 1>states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not

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<v Speaker 1>be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred and eight, But attacks or duty may be

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<v Speaker 1>imposed on such importation not exceeding ten dollars for each person.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, while the government could impose attacks or

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<v Speaker 1>a duty on enslaved people brought into the country, it

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<v Speaker 1>could not ban the international slave trade. Before eight and then,

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<v Speaker 1>Article four came to be known as the fugitive slave clause. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>No person held to service or labor in one state

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<v Speaker 1>under the laws thereof escaping into another, shall, and consequence

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<v Speaker 1>of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such

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<v Speaker 1>service or labor, but shall be delivered up on the

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<v Speaker 1>claim of the party to whom such service or labor

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<v Speaker 1>maybe do Delegates from the slaveholding states would not have

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<v Speaker 1>accepted the Constitution without these provisions, each of which protected

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<v Speaker 1>slavery and the interests of enslavers and slave states, And

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<v Speaker 1>over time, the growth of anti slavery sentiments and abolition

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<v Speaker 1>movements in the northern states became increasingly threatening to the

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<v Speaker 1>slave states of the South. To be clear, there were

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<v Speaker 1>also abolitionists in the South, including enslaved people advocating for

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<v Speaker 1>their own liberation and liberating themselves, but the national balance

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<v Speaker 1>of power between North and South is what we're really

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<v Speaker 1>focused on here. Beginning in about eighteen twelve, the United

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<v Speaker 1>States started intentionally admitting new states into the Union in

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<v Speaker 1>pairs one slave and one free state to maintain this

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<v Speaker 1>purported balance, and this continued until eighteen fifty, when California

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<v Speaker 1>became the first free state admitted without a corresponding slave state.

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<v Speaker 1>The Compromise of eighteen fifty was a collection of laws

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<v Speaker 1>meant to diffuse some of the tension from this shift,

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<v Speaker 1>one of those being a much stronger Fugitive Slave Act.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen fifty four, the Republican Party was established to

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<v Speaker 1>try to resist the expansion of slavery into the western

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<v Speaker 1>territories of the United States. By the election of eighteen sixty,

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<v Speaker 1>it was widely believed that the election of a Republican

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<v Speaker 1>president would spell the end of slavery and would prompt

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<v Speaker 1>slave states to secede from the Union. This came to

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<v Speaker 1>pass after Republican Abraham Lincoln was elected as president on

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<v Speaker 1>November six, eighteen sixty. After Lincoln's election, Senator John J.

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<v Speaker 1>Crittenden of Kentucky proposed a collection of constitutional amendments and

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<v Speaker 1>Senate resolutions, some of which would make slavery permanent and

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<v Speaker 1>part of the country, to try to head off a

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<v Speaker 1>secession crisis. Unsurprisingly, this proposal was supported by the slave

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<v Speaker 1>states but denounced by the free states, so it failed.

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<v Speaker 1>And then on December eighteen sixty, South Carolina became the

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<v Speaker 1>first eight to announce that it was seceding from the Union.

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<v Speaker 1>South Carolina issued a declaration of the immediate Causes which

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<v Speaker 1>induce and justify the Secession of South Carolina from the

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Union. This document read, in part quote, an increasing

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<v Speaker 1>hostility on the part of the non slaveholding states to

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<v Speaker 1>the institution of slavery has led to a disregard of

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<v Speaker 1>their obligations, and the laws of the general Government have

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<v Speaker 1>ceased to affect the objects of the Constitution. Other states

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<v Speaker 1>issued similar documents when they succeeded. They're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of examples. This one's from Georgia. Quote. For

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<v Speaker 1>the last ten years, we have had numerous and serious

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<v Speaker 1>causes of complaint against our non slaveholding Confederate states with

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<v Speaker 1>reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored

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<v Speaker 1>to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility,

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<v Speaker 1>and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations

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<v Speaker 1>to us in reference to that property and by the

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<v Speaker 1>use of their power in the federal government have striven

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<v Speaker 1>to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common

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<v Speaker 1>territories of the Republic. This is from Mississippi quote. Our

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<v Speaker 1>position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery. The

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<v Speaker 1>greatest material interest in the world. Its labor supplies the

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<v Speaker 1>product which constitutes by far the largest and most important

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<v Speaker 1>portions of commerce on the earth. These products are peculiar

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<v Speaker 1>to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by

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<v Speaker 1>an imperious law of nature, none but the black race

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<v Speaker 1>can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have

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<v Speaker 1>become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery

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<v Speaker 1>is a blow at commerce and civilization. Texas and Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>issued similar documents containing similar sentiments as well, and while

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<v Speaker 1>some of these documents did also spend a significant amount

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<v Speaker 1>of space discussing states rights in general, the rights that

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<v Speaker 1>were being discussed all circled back to slavery. They included

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<v Speaker 1>things like the right to take enslaved people into free

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<v Speaker 1>states without there being freed as a consequence. So these

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<v Speaker 1>documents supported the slave states rights to maintain slavery, but

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<v Speaker 1>not really the free states rights to outlaw or restrict it.

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<v Speaker 1>A Constitution of the Confederate States was adopted on March eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen one. Unlike the US Constitution, this one made several direct,

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<v Speaker 1>specific references to slavery and enslaved people. Ten days later,

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<v Speaker 1>Alexander Stephens, vice President of the Confederate States of America,

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<v Speaker 1>delivered what came to be known as the Cornerstone Speech.

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<v Speaker 1>It said that this new constitution had quote put at

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<v Speaker 1>rest forever all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution,

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<v Speaker 1>African slavery as it exists amongst us, the proper status

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<v Speaker 1>of the Negro in our form of civilization. This was

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<v Speaker 1>the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there were, of course cultural and economic differences

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<v Speaker 1>between the North and the South, and other issues that

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<v Speaker 1>you can cite as contributing factors in all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is overwhelming documented evidence that the biggest issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and the one that was the most important, was slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems unlikely that the Confederate States would have shied

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<v Speaker 1>away from that stance had they won the war. Slavery

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<v Speaker 1>was right there in the Confederate States Constitution, including the

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<v Speaker 1>clause quote no bill of attainder ex post facto law

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<v Speaker 1>or law denying or impairing the right of property in

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<v Speaker 1>negro slaves shall be passed. But instead the Confederacy suffered

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<v Speaker 1>a humiliating defeat that left the question of how the

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<v Speaker 1>nation could possibly be whole again and how the South

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<v Speaker 1>could envision itself after this turn of events, And we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about that after we pause for a

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<v Speaker 1>sponsor break. After the US of A War, there were

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of questions about how to reunite the country,

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<v Speaker 1>like what would states have to do to be readmitted

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<v Speaker 1>into the Union? What would former confederates have to do

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<v Speaker 1>to earn some kind of pardon, How could the places

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<v Speaker 1>that had suffered material damage as a result of the

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<v Speaker 1>war be rebuilt? And how could the social, economic, and

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<v Speaker 1>political injustice that had both enabled and grown from the

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<v Speaker 1>existence of slavery be addressed and rectified. We have talked

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<v Speaker 1>about a lot of this in previous episodes of the

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<v Speaker 1>show that relate to the period of U s history

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<v Speaker 1>known as Reconstruction, and those episodes include our two part

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<v Speaker 1>on Robert Small's that we put out as a Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>Classic this summer, and our two part on the Wilmington's

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<v Speaker 1>coup that came out in a lot of these questions

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<v Speaker 1>were practical, like would former Confederate leaders have to stand trial?

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of services would be provided for formerly enslaved people?

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<v Speaker 1>Where would the money come from to pay for those services?

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<v Speaker 1>But some of these questions were a little bit more abstract,

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<v Speaker 1>like what did this mean for white Southern identity? How

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<v Speaker 1>could the Southern States defend themselves from mockery, shame, and

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<v Speaker 1>accusations of treason from the white Southern point of view.

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<v Speaker 1>Answers to a lot of these more nebulous questions rested

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<v Speaker 1>on a set of ideas that came to be known

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<v Speaker 1>as the Lost Cause. That's a term that was popularized

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<v Speaker 1>by the eighteen sixties six book of the same name

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<v Speaker 1>by Edward Pollard of Virginia. The biggest and most important

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<v Speaker 1>piece of the Lost Cause myth was that the Civil

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<v Speaker 1>War had not been about slavery. Southern States had succeeded

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<v Speaker 1>over the issue of states rights, and that had been

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<v Speaker 1>the cause of the war. According to this idea, still

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<v Speaker 1>here it on occasion. I don't know if on occasion

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<v Speaker 1>is even strong enough. And being super polite, even though

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<v Speaker 1>the Lost Cause narrative claimed that the Civil War was

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<v Speaker 1>not about slavery. It also reimagined slavery itself. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Lost Cause proponents, slavery was not an evil institution. Enslavers

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<v Speaker 1>in this version of the story are benevolent. They looked

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<v Speaker 1>after their enslaved workforce, providing housing, clothing, and food, and

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<v Speaker 1>generally giving enslaved people a better life than they would

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<v Speaker 1>have had otherwise. Also, according to this narrative, enslaved people

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<v Speaker 1>were happy, grateful, loyal, dedicated to their enslavers. Folded into

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<v Speaker 1>all of this was the idea that people of African

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<v Speaker 1>descent weren't capable of handling their own affairs, that they

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<v Speaker 1>somehow needed the guidance and supervision of their enslavers. Even

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<v Speaker 1>though the Lost Cause took great pains to minimize the

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<v Speaker 1>documented horrors of slavery, it also contended that slavery was

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<v Speaker 1>well on its way to dying out on its own.

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of a corollary to this reimagining of slavery was

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<v Speaker 1>the myth of the Black Confederate, which became way more

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<v Speaker 1>popular later on, uh in the nineteen seventies in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>like it had kind of a heyday. This was the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that enslaved black people were so loyal and cared

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<v Speaker 1>for that they willingly volunteered to fight for the Confederacy,

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<v Speaker 1>and enormous numbers estimates for how many Black Confederates they're

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<v Speaker 1>supposedly were are all over the place. There anywhere from

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred to a hundred thousands such soldiers, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>who you read. The reality is that enslaved Africans were

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<v Speaker 1>a massive source of labor within the Confederate army. They

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<v Speaker 1>worked as body servants, cooks, and manual laborers. But they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't soldiers and they were not volunteers. They were enslaved.

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<v Speaker 1>Confederate forces also captured and enslaved free black people in

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<v Speaker 1>the places they moved through or occupied during the war.

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<v Speaker 1>Historian Kevin m Levin has written a whole book about

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<v Speaker 1>this called Searching for Black Confederates. The Civil Wars most

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<v Speaker 1>persistent myths. Yeah, people like to use photos of soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>posing with their enslaved servants as like some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that there were a whole lot of soldiers and

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<v Speaker 1>that the person the picture is really depicting is enslaving.

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<v Speaker 1>The person next to them like that is not a

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<v Speaker 1>volunteer soldier who went with him. So the lost cause

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<v Speaker 1>ideology also framed the South's defeat as something that was inevitable.

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<v Speaker 1>Under this ideology, Confederate generals were brilliant, they were gifted

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<v Speaker 1>in their strategy and their tactics, and the South was

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<v Speaker 1>defeated only because the North had superior numbers and resources.

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<v Speaker 1>So the ideas the South was just overwhelmed. So it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't that Robert E. Lee and other Confederate leaders failed

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<v Speaker 1>to develop an effective strategy to offset the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the Northern states were more industrialized and more densely populated.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just that there was no strategy that ever

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<v Speaker 1>would have been enough. This idea that the Confederate war

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<v Speaker 1>effort was doomed from the beginning is the source of

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<v Speaker 1>that lost cause Moniker. Within this reframing, Confederate generals were

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<v Speaker 1>universally gentlemen. All of the soldiers were noble and gallant.

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<v Speaker 1>White women were also perfect examples of Southern femininity. They

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<v Speaker 1>had sacrificed for the cause of freedom and had borne

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<v Speaker 1>up under immense struggle. More broadly, Antebellum life in the

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<v Speaker 1>South was described as universally genteel and refined, with plantations

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<v Speaker 1>romanticized as idyllic, expansive homes and fields rather than the reality,

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<v Speaker 1>which was that they were slave labor camps. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take a minute for like a more

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<v Speaker 1>personal note. I understand that for a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>this this history is very personally important to them and

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<v Speaker 1>their families. If you're about to write us an angry

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<v Speaker 1>email about your second or third great grandfather who served

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<v Speaker 1>for the South, I have second and third great grandfathers too,

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<v Speaker 1>So I get it. Like you want to think that

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<v Speaker 1>your ancestors were on the right side of history, but

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<v Speaker 1>they really just were not in this case. Eventually, proponents

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<v Speaker 1>of the Lost Cause ideology started to read frame the

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<v Speaker 1>period of reconstruction as well, and under this idea, reconstruction

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<v Speaker 1>was not an attempt to repair the damage of the

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<v Speaker 1>war and to address injustice. It was an effort to

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<v Speaker 1>just punish the South and exact retribution. And Northerners who

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<v Speaker 1>came to the South to assist with this whole process,

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<v Speaker 1>We're not, according to Lost Cause proponents, motivated by altruism

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<v Speaker 1>or philanthropy. According to the Lost Cause, they were unscrupulous,

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<v Speaker 1>corrupt carpetbaggers who were only in it for the money,

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<v Speaker 1>money that they were going to get illegitimately. So we

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<v Speaker 1>referenced Edward Pollard's book The Lost Cause earlier, and while

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<v Speaker 1>that book did popularize this term, the movement itself is

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<v Speaker 1>not something that just started and ended with one book.

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<v Speaker 1>It was much bigger. Glimmers of the Lost Cause ideology

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<v Speaker 1>were present at least as early as General Robert Elie's

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<v Speaker 1>farewell address, also called General Order Number nine, delivered the

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<v Speaker 1>day before he surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant, and that

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<v Speaker 1>began quote, after four years of arduous service, marked by

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<v Speaker 1>unsurpassed courage and fortitude, the Army of Northern Virginia has

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<v Speaker 1>been compelled to yield to overwhelming numbers and resources. I

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<v Speaker 1>need not tell the brave survivors of so many hard

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<v Speaker 1>fought battles, who have remained steadfast to the last, that

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<v Speaker 1>I have consented to this result from no distrust of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but feeling that valor and devotion could accomplish nothing that

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<v Speaker 1>would compensate for the loss that would have attended the

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<v Speaker 1>continuance of the contest, I determined to avoid the useless

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<v Speaker 1>sacrifice of those whose past services have endeared them to

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<v Speaker 1>their countrymen. After the war was over. White Southern women's

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<v Speaker 1>groups that had been focused on providing aid during the

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<v Speaker 1>war started instead focusing on memorializing the fallen and honoring

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<v Speaker 1>returning soldiers. And some of this certainly included absolutely legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>work like burying the dead and holding funerals and helping

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<v Speaker 1>to care for women and children who had lost their

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<v Speaker 1>husbands and fathers. But running alongside all of that work

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<v Speaker 1>were efforts to reinforce the idea of the Southern War

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<v Speaker 1>Effort as this noble, doomed endeavor that was not about slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>In the late eighteen sixties, men's veterans groups became part

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<v Speaker 1>of this effort as well. The Southern Historical Society was

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<v Speaker 1>established in April of eighteen sixty nine to ensure that

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<v Speaker 1>this version of Civil War history would be remembered. Former

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<v Speaker 1>Confederate General Jubil A. Early was the Southern Historical Society's

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<v Speaker 1>first president and was a major proponent of the Lost Cause.

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<v Speaker 1>Although many Confederate memorials were built much later, which we

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<v Speaker 1>will talk about, some were raised in the years immediately

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<v Speaker 1>after the war was over. In April of eighteen sixty six,

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferson Davis, who had been president of the Confederate States

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<v Speaker 1>went on a tour to dedicate memorials and multiple cities,

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<v Speaker 1>including Montgomery, Alabama, in Atlanta and Savannah, Georgia. Prominent Confederate

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<v Speaker 1>years were also lionized after their death, depicted as noble,

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<v Speaker 1>nearly flawless heroes and eulogies and early biographies. This included

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<v Speaker 1>Robert E. Lee, who died on October twelfth, eighteen seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>Biographies written shortly after his death characterized him as a

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<v Speaker 1>devout Christian who hated slavery, even though his cruelty to

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<v Speaker 1>his own enslaved workforce, including breaking up their families in

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<v Speaker 1>either ordering or carrying out the whipping of people who escaped,

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<v Speaker 1>was documented. His opinions on the supremacy of the white

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<v Speaker 1>race were also very well documented. Yeah, he was definitely

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<v Speaker 1>a Christian, but that did not somehow undo the other part.

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferson Davis was similarly eulogized after his death on December

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<v Speaker 1>six nine. More than a hundred thousand mourners paid their

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<v Speaker 1>respects as his body lay in state in New Orleans, Louisiana,

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<v Speaker 1>and then from there his remains were taken by train

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<v Speaker 1>to their final resting place in Richmond, Virginia, and in

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<v Speaker 1>the train made stops along the way, with the crowds

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<v Speaker 1>honoring his passing by laying magnolia blossoms on the tracks

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<v Speaker 1>and firing their guns into the air. At Sometimes these

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<v Speaker 1>crowds were so large the train had to stop so

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<v Speaker 1>they could be cleared away. Not every former Confederate figure

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<v Speaker 1>was similarly treated, though. For example, after the war, former

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<v Speaker 1>Confederate General William Mahone became one of the leaders of

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<v Speaker 1>the Readjuster Party in Virginia. This party was a coalition

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<v Speaker 1>of black and white political leaders that dominated Virginia politics

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<v Speaker 1>from eighteen seventy nine to eighty three, with many black

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<v Speaker 1>members of the coalition being elected into state and federal office.

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<v Speaker 1>Mahones presence at Confederate reunions had to be sort of

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<v Speaker 1>explained away, with organizers stressing that everyone should remember his

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<v Speaker 1>wartime service rather than focusing on his political career. By

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen nineties, the Lost Cause ideology was immensely popular

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<v Speaker 1>in the South, and it was gaining traction else are.

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<v Speaker 1>The magazine Confederate Veteran was launched in eighteen ninety three,

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<v Speaker 1>and by nineteen hundred it had more than twenty thousand subscribers,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was by far the most popular and widely

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<v Speaker 1>read journal in the South. The United Daughters of the

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<v Speaker 1>Confederacy was established in eighteen ninety four and was heavily

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<v Speaker 1>involved in promoting the Lost Cause myth. In eighteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>the Confederate Museum, which was initially focused on a Lost

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<v Speaker 1>Cause interpretation of the war, was opened in Richmond, Virginia.

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<v Speaker 1>Historians and commentators criticized the Lost Cause ideology. Throughout all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, there were grains of truth to it, such

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<v Speaker 1>as that there were white women who had made huge

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<v Speaker 1>sacrifices during the war and soldiers who had volunteered out

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<v Speaker 1>of a sense of patriotic duty, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it was just flatly false. Critics pointed out that the

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<v Speaker 1>Lost Cause narrative tried to erase all kinds of horrors,

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<v Speaker 1>including the existence of the Ku Klux Klan and the

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<v Speaker 1>practice of lynching, while also leaning on racist depictions of

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<v Speaker 1>black people that allowed the clan and lynching to flourish.

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<v Speaker 1>Black leaders and their white allies also noted that accepting

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<v Speaker 1>the false tenets of the Lost Cause meant abandoning Black

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<v Speaker 1>Americans in the work of reconstruction and erasing the horrors

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<v Speaker 1>and ongoing destructive legacy of slavery. Abolitionists and other reformers

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<v Speaker 1>called for the rejection of this entire narrative. At the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, though in a lot of the North and

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<v Speaker 1>at the federal level, there was also this sense that

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<v Speaker 1>accepting the Lost Cause narrative, or at least not pushing

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<v Speaker 1>back against it too hard, might help unify the nation

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<v Speaker 1>and allow it to heal from the war. However, this

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<v Speaker 1>purported reunification but the emotional healing of white people ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of everyone else, particularly black Americans. So in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>national politics, the Northern States were complicit and allowing this

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<v Speaker 1>fiction to stand for the sake of the Union at

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<v Speaker 1>the expense of some of the Union's most marginalized citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>I see this as a continuation of all those earlier

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<v Speaker 1>concessions and appeasements that go all the way back to

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<v Speaker 1>the drafting of the Constitution, and the Lost Cause was

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<v Speaker 1>still being reinforced well into the twentieth century. And we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get into that after a sponsor break. Much

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<v Speaker 1>of the national dialogue following the US Civil War had

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<v Speaker 1>been about reunification and reconciliation and coming together, and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>this included soldiers who had been on opposite sides of

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<v Speaker 1>the war. Although there had been smaller events earlier on,

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<v Speaker 1>the first major Civil War reunion involving soldiers from both

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<v Speaker 1>sides was the Manassas Piece Jubilee in July of nineteen eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>This happened at the start of a series of fiftieth

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<v Speaker 1>anniversary remembrances that would go on until nineteen fifteen. About

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<v Speaker 1>ten thousand people attended this event, including about three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>Confederate and about a hundred and twenty five United States veterans.

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<v Speaker 1>A much larger event took place in nineteen thirteen, with

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<v Speaker 1>more than fifty three thousand veterans assembling at Gettysburg. This

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<v Speaker 1>was a massive event, with states in the federal government

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<v Speaker 1>providing funding for everything from getting veterans to Gettysburg to

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<v Speaker 1>feeding them and providing emergency medical care while they were there.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the veterans attending this were very elderly, and

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<v Speaker 1>the weather was brutally hot, so that medical care was

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<v Speaker 1>a vital part of the plan. Yeah, and even with it,

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<v Speaker 1>there were there were people who died on the scene

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<v Speaker 1>at the reunion because they were in their advanced years

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<v Speaker 1>and the weather was just punishing again. The theme with

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<v Speaker 1>all this was reconciliation and healing, but again for white

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<v Speaker 1>people at the expense of black people who had been

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<v Speaker 1>harmed by slavery in the war and their descendants who

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<v Speaker 1>were still being harmed by ongoing racism and violence. And

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<v Speaker 1>the words of the Washington b which is a newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>with a pre dominantly black readership based in Washington, d c. Quote,

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<v Speaker 1>the occasion is to be called a reunion, a reunion

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<v Speaker 1>of whom only those who fought for the preservation of

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<v Speaker 1>the Union and the extinction of human slavery. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>to be an assemblage of those who fought to destroy

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<v Speaker 1>the Union and perpetuate slavery, and who are now employing

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<v Speaker 1>every artifice and argument known to deceit and sophistry to

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<v Speaker 1>propagate a national sentiment in favor of their nefarious contention

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<v Speaker 1>that emancipation, reconstruction, and enfranchisement are dismal failures. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>the most visible remnants of the Lost Cause ideology came

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>about during the presidency of Woodrow Wilson. He came into

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 1>office in n The first film screening at the White

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 1>House happened during his presidency. It was the film Birth

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>of a Nation, originally known as The Klansman, which included

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:56.800
<v Speaker 1>quotes from one of Wilson's history books, A History of

0:28:56.800 --> 0:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>the American People. Wilson was a proponent of the Lost

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Cause and the Dunning School, named for historian William A. Dunning,

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 1>who interpreted reconstruction as a failure. Birth of a Nation

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 1>embraced the Lost Cause ideology, using racist depictions of black

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Americans to frame reconstruction as deeply damaging to white people.

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 1>It is also credited with a resurgence in the Ku

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Klux Klan, which is depicted in the film, saving the

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>South from the horrors of reconstruction. By the time Wilson

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 1>became president, Reconstruction was long over and many of the

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.560
<v Speaker 1>gains and civil rights for black Americans that had been

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>implemented during that time had already been lost. Wilson was

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the first Southern president elected since Reconstruction, and he continued

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>that trend of rolling back civil rights, including segregating or

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:51.080
<v Speaker 1>allowing his cabinet to segregate a number of federal bureaus

0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and offices, as well as the U. S. Navy. Wilson

0:29:55.000 --> 0:29:57.719
<v Speaker 1>ran for a second term as president on a platform

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that included keeping the United States out of World War One,

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>but after he was elected, he began preparing to go

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 1>to war, including constructing new camps for training newly recruited

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 1>military personnel. This is when U. S. Military bases started

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>to be named after Confederate leaders, even though those leaders

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>fought against the U. S. Military during the Civil War.

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:24.360
<v Speaker 1>So after the end of the Civil War, the U. S.

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Army had occupied eleven Southern states, with troops being removed

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:32.680
<v Speaker 1>after the state had met with requirements to rejoin the Union.

0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>The last of these troops were removed after the eighteen

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 1>seventy six presidential election, and that was one of the

0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>disputed elections that we nodded to at the start of

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:46.200
<v Speaker 1>the show. The candidates in this election were Democrat Samuel

0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Tilden and Republican Rutherford be Hayes. Tilden had won the

0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>popular vote, but didn't have enough votes to be declared

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>the winner, and the Electoral College and then the electoral

0:30:56.080 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>College votes from three states were disputed. There were result

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>was the Compromise of eighteen seventy seven. Hayes would become president,

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>and in exchange, among other concessions, he agreed to place

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>a Democrat in his cabinet and to withdraw the federal

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 1>troops that were still occupying parts of the South. This

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 1>is generally seen as the end of Reconstruction, and for

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 1>decades there wasn't a large military presence in the South.

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:25.320
<v Speaker 1>Because of the legacy of Reconstruction, the idea of sending

0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>troops to the South had become something of a taboo.

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>But less than forty years later, the expansion of the

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>military and preparation for World War One meant that camps

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 1>had to be built in the South. We needed a

0:31:40.200 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of camps. We had to put them somewhere. So

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.920
<v Speaker 1>as part of the effort to make these encampments more

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 1>palatable in the places where they were being built, they

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>were named for former Confederate generals and other Confederate military figures,

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 1>including camps named for Robert E. Lee and Pierre G. T. Beauregard, which,

0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>along with others, were built in nineteen seventeen. Encampment's name

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:06.880
<v Speaker 1>for General Braxton Bragg and General Henry Lewis Benning followed

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighteen. It really became a standard practice for

0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>new encampments and forts built in the South to be

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 1>named after Confederate military leaders, even though again these were

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the enemy of the U. S. Army during the Civil War.

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 1>As these bases were being built, another trend was developing,

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 1>that of erecting statues to honor Confederate soldiers, many of

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>which were arranged and funded by the United Daughters of

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 1>the Confederacy. Although as we said earlier, some memorials were

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 1>built just after the Civil War, their number really started

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 1>to grow after about eighteen ninety, with the first Surgeon

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 1>statues peaking between nineteen ten and nineteen thirty. As we've

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:53.280
<v Speaker 1>talked about in our previous episodes on the Harlem hell

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:56.920
<v Speaker 1>Fighters and read Summer, there was an intense backlash against

0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the great migration of Black Americans to more northern states

0:33:00.440 --> 0:33:04.959
<v Speaker 1>and against Black Americans advocacy for equal rights. These newly

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:08.960
<v Speaker 1>erected statues were part of that backlash by the white majority,

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 1>and another smaller surge in their installations happened during the

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:16.800
<v Speaker 1>civil rights movement of the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties. YEA,

0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 1>they were sort of part reminder of who's in charge

0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>here and part ongoing whitewashing of the Civil War. Although

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:31.840
<v Speaker 1>some cities could afford to hire a professional sculptor to

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>create the monument. A lot of these were mass produced

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and ordered through the mail. One major supplier was Monumental

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Bronze Company of Bridgeport, Connecticut, whose US and Confederate soldier

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 1>statues were almost identical except for whether they had a

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>US or a CS on the belt buckle. Meanwhile, one

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.800
<v Speaker 1>of the most widely popular pieces of Lost Cause fiction

0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:58.160
<v Speaker 1>came into print, and then to the screen, Gone with

0:33:58.240 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 1>the Wind, which debuted in nineteenth d nine and was

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 1>based on the novel by Margaret Mitchell that came out

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 1>three years earlier. So, as we have alluded to, we

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:10.280
<v Speaker 1>still see glimpses of the city. But in the post

0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 1>World War two era, more historians started returning to the

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:17.080
<v Speaker 1>subject of the Civil War and the Lost Cause, which

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.600
<v Speaker 1>by this point had made its way into history textbooks

0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 1>all over the country. Historical sites and museums also started

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 1>re examining their collections and their missions after the war,

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 1>as these institutions started trying to more accurately represent the

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>war and its repercussions. This has really been an ongoing,

0:34:35.360 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>many year effort. The Museum of the Confederacy, which we

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:42.279
<v Speaker 1>mentioned earlier, merged with the American Civil War Center in

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>twent thirteen to form the American Civil War Museum, and

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.320
<v Speaker 1>that's a museum that tries to give a more honest

0:34:48.400 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 1>look at the Civil War. But you can still see

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 1>glimpses of the Lost Cause narrative all over the place,

0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 1>And this decade's long failure to honestly reckon with the

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Civil War has done so much damage. Polls about how

0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 1>many Americans know or don't know that the Civil War

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 1>was about slavery or regular occurrence. But it's not just

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 1>whether people know a particular fact about history. The lost

0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Cause ideology contributed to racist violence and discrimination all over

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 1>the United States, and as we've already mentioned, it put

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 1>the emotional healing of the idea of the nation and

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 1>of white people in the South ahead of justice for

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:29.640
<v Speaker 1>formerly enslaved people and their descendants. So this is a

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>great example about how this kind of false narrative is

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 1>not just about whether people know a particular intangible truth.

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 1>It also has real and ongoing consequences that we still

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:43.920
<v Speaker 1>feel today. Yeah, we still see them in our inbox

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 1>in response to episodes. From time to time, I have

0:35:47.600 --> 0:35:51.360
<v Speaker 1>gotten in arguments with friends about that whole state's rights

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:58.680
<v Speaker 1>business and I'm like to own slaves, That's what I can't. Yeah,

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 1>they're so we weard to me, I will say, it

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 1>is weird. The romanticism of that is strange to me

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 1>because I don't as much as I love history, I

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 1>don't tend to romanticize it in that way. Um, you

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:15.360
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. Like, it's not part of my

0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.360
<v Speaker 1>cultural identity that I am from lines of this or that,

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.839
<v Speaker 1>and I you know, I don't have that investment, So

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>it's a little hard sometimes for me to understand the

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>attachment to it. Yeah, I am pretty sure, Like I

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:30.480
<v Speaker 1>have not looked at every single person in the entire

0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:36.440
<v Speaker 1>family tree, but pretty sure on both sides of my

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 1>family in the eighteen sixties, everyone in the family tree

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 1>was living in North Carolina. There are definitely people in

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>my family tree and direct ancestors of mine who served

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>for the Confederacy. And like, I totally understand, as I

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:54.879
<v Speaker 1>said earlier that like people don't want to imagine bad

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 1>things about their ancestors. But to me, regardless of any

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>of those in the visual people's reasons for serving, they

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:07.919
<v Speaker 1>were still serving as part of, you know, a group

0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:12.320
<v Speaker 1>of states that had established themselves as a slave nation

0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:16.320
<v Speaker 1>in an army that was fighting a lord to extend

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 1>and protect slavery. Like, whatever your personal reasons for that,

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 1>that's still a side that you were on. Yeah. Yeah,

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:26.439
<v Speaker 1>uh well, and it's one of those things I don't

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>know if it will help people reconcile it. Right, the

0:37:29.120 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the nuance of the individual versus the individual's part in

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:37.879
<v Speaker 1>a larger group, how much they're influenced by what they

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:40.359
<v Speaker 1>grew up with, and how that has probably you know,

0:37:40.440 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>had probably warped their perception of right and wrong, particularly

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.399
<v Speaker 1>in regard to this issue. I mean, it's still as

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:48.359
<v Speaker 1>you said, it comes down to that is the side

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:52.439
<v Speaker 1>you were on. Um, yeah, I don't it's a little

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it's it's hard for people to to accept even now. Um,

0:37:57.000 --> 0:38:00.160
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know the way through that. I think

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of groups doing a lot of

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.439
<v Speaker 1>good effort, and some of the stuff that we talked

0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:06.319
<v Speaker 1>about right there at the end of like trying to

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:09.240
<v Speaker 1>really take an honest look at things and and reckon

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 1>with it is a big part of that. But yeah,

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 1>it's a weird it's a weird thing. Um. There's a

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of psychology to it to be unraveled. Yeah, you

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and I were talking about something totally different earlier this week,

0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:25.399
<v Speaker 1>and I was saying, how a lot of times when

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:27.280
<v Speaker 1>we look at things, we have to sort of hold

0:38:27.760 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>multiple contradictory truths about things in our heads at the

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>same time. Uh. And I think that's the case for

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of folks here. Yeah, And it's it's difficult

0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:42.400
<v Speaker 1>but doable and important to It's an important skill to

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.839
<v Speaker 1>learn to be able to see multiple facets that are

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:50.719
<v Speaker 1>not always comfortable. I mean, it's kind of what we're

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>working on all the time, right, Like, no one person

0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>is simple and easily summated. They all had problems. We

0:38:58.440 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 1>all do. They're all humans and fallible. Yeah. So, uh,

0:39:06.120 --> 0:39:10.480
<v Speaker 1>before I read listener mail, I just want to shout

0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 1>out to all of the people that have sent really,

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:19.279
<v Speaker 1>really lovely emails after our episodes on Vivian Thomas and

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:24.320
<v Speaker 1>Helen tausig Um. I did those episodes in part because

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I just needed an episode about saving babies. We have

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 1>talked before about how a lot of times I'll they'll

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:32.000
<v Speaker 1>have a point in working on the show where I'm like,

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>time to save some babies. So I kind of forgot

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 1>that every time we do that. We then hear from

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:40.560
<v Speaker 1>people who either they were saved or their babies were saved,

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>and I just kind of, uh, I forgot about that pattern.

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, we got a ton of really lovely emails

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:52.759
<v Speaker 1>from heart moms and other parents, and then people who

0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 1>were born with a congenital heart condition who had one

0:39:56.560 --> 0:40:01.040
<v Speaker 1>of these procedures, or who had other relatives who were

0:40:01.080 --> 0:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>affected and whose lives were saved or extended thanks to

0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:11.080
<v Speaker 1>surgeries that were We're pioneered by by Thomas and tausigin Blaylocks.

0:40:11.160 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 1>So I need to send thank you notes and replies

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 1>to all these folks I think still so thank you

0:40:17.560 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 1>so much to Jen, Kelsey, Kyle, Timmy, Sarah Asaki, a

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:26.240
<v Speaker 1>different Sarah, and Nicole. Jen also asked us to remember

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:29.040
<v Speaker 1>her aunt, Barbara Linda, who died from a congenital heart

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:32.279
<v Speaker 1>condition as a baby in the nineteen fifties. Um, thank

0:40:32.280 --> 0:40:33.919
<v Speaker 1>you so much to everybody who has sent all those

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:37.320
<v Speaker 1>email letters. I had. I had a hard time figuring

0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 1>out which of them to read, and so I just

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 1>wanted to thank everyone for sending them. And then I'm

0:40:42.120 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 1>gonna read an episode on a related topic but slightly

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:48.120
<v Speaker 1>different because it's about the listener mail that was on

0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 1>our Vivian Thomas episode. This is from Carrie, and Carrie says,

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 1>I have a possible solution to what your listener sean

0:40:53.400 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Or was referring to at the end of your eleven

0:40:56.200 --> 0:41:00.439
<v Speaker 1>eighteen episode on Vivian Thomas concerning how she had heard

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:03.440
<v Speaker 1>of incubator babies but couldn't find anything in your archive.

0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:07.279
<v Speaker 1>In your fort show Indian School Basketball Champions Part two

0:41:07.320 --> 0:41:11.560
<v Speaker 1>podcast from eleven fifteen seventeen, you gave a description of

0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the St. Louis World's Fair in which you mentioned that

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>babies and incubators were on display there. In response, I

0:41:18.000 --> 0:41:21.640
<v Speaker 1>wrote to you on eleven seventeen with information from an

0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:25.280
<v Speaker 1>article I had written about the incubator baby custody case

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 1>that made national news on and off for ten years

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 1>beginning in nineteen o four. You read my email at

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 1>the end of your twelve eleven podcast. Perhaps your reference

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:37.839
<v Speaker 1>to the St. Louis World's Fair and my email are

0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>at least part of what Seanna remembered. In addition, you

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:42.880
<v Speaker 1>had mistakenly referred to me as she. I wrote to

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 1>you on twelve twelve seventeen pointing this out. You wrote

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.920
<v Speaker 1>back and apologized, but the show's production had already wrapped

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:51.759
<v Speaker 1>until mid January, and you were not able to make

0:41:51.800 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 1>a public correction anyway. I thought this might help clear

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:58.359
<v Speaker 1>things up. Keep up the good work, Mr Carrie. I'll

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.640
<v Speaker 1>leave out the last name for privacy. So let's talk

0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:05.799
<v Speaker 1>about mistakes I made three years ago and still remember. Uh,

0:42:05.960 --> 0:42:08.879
<v Speaker 1>that is exactly what happened. Um. We had gotten this

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<v Speaker 1>email from Carrie immediately after we did our last recording

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<v Speaker 1>session for and because of the way our time off

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<v Speaker 1>schedule was following, and then immediately after I came back

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<v Speaker 1>from being away, you Holly were going to be away

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<v Speaker 1>recording drawn and so we had something like a month

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<v Speaker 1>of episodes already in the can and we were not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in this studio again for three or

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<v Speaker 1>four weeks. UM. And I was very embarrassed and felt

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<v Speaker 1>very bad about it, and also it was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to fix this. So I'm glad Carrie

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<v Speaker 1>that you sent this email. UM. Carrie had even noted

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<v Speaker 1>that he was a Mr. In the email that he

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<v Speaker 1>originally sent him. I just overlooked it. So I am

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for that. I am sorry that three years ago

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<v Speaker 1>I did not find a way to publicly correct that

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<v Speaker 1>and thank you again for sending this note. UM, we

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten a few hypotheses about what folks might be remembering. UM.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them are related to different podcasts, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of them are related to things that were on the

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