1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Up next, The Truth with Lisa Booth, part of the 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Gang which So the past few months have been really 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: hard for Americans across the country with the coronavirus. We've 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: seen loss of life, lots of loved ones, loss of income, 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 1: loss of livelihood, riots over the summer, a political election 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,920 Speaker 1: that was tumultuous and is divided and fractured this nation. 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: If there was ever a time we all needed to laugh, 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: it's now. So why does the Left keep trying to 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: shut down my next guest. Come for the conversation, stay 10 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: for the laughs. This is The Truth with Lisa Booth. 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Truth with Lisa Booth. I've got 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: a really special show for you guys this week that 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: won't just make you think, but also will hopefully make 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: you laugh. That's because my next guest is Seth Dylan, 15 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: the CEO of The Babylon B. If you use social media, 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: you are probably familiar with The Babylon B. It's a 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: conservative satirical website that has been described as the rights 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: version of the Onion, and it is absolutely hilarious. I'm 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: such a fan. I'm constantly retweeting their work. It's just 20 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: so funny. So Dylan actually acquired the b from the 21 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 1: site's creator, Adam Ford, in two thousand eighteen. The Babylon 22 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: Be has been a massive success and attracts millions of 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: years each month with its wit and humor. Behind every 24 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: joke is powerful insight into our culture or politics and 25 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: the absurdity of the people who are in charge, and 26 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: it makes people laugh with headlines like this Mexico installs 27 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: stairs to keep Biden out that was after the fall 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:48,639 Speaker 1: that he had, or this powerful protesters spell out love 29 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: with burning homes and businesses and you guys can't see it, 30 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: but there's an image of love written out in flames. 31 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Or after a CNN reporter took aim at the Babylon B, 32 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: it ran a headline that said, CNN attacks Babylon B. 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,279 Speaker 1: The Internet is only big enough for one fake news site, 34 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: so you get the idea. Their content is clever, it's funny, 35 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: but it also serves as commentary on what's actually going 36 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: on in our country. But despite explicitly saying that it 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: writes satire and does not actually report the news, the 38 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Babel and B has somehow become a target of big 39 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: tech and the political left, Twitter, Facebook and mainstream media 40 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: outlets like the New York Times have absurdly accused the 41 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: b of trafficking and misinformation. Remember that this is a 42 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: site that on Twitter it actually describes itself as the 43 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: fake news you can trust. They call themselves a satirical website. 44 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: They make that explicitly clear, so they're not trying to 45 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: deceive anyone. And also, can I just repeat that it's 46 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: the New York Times accusing them of misinformation? That's pretty ironic. 47 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: But besides all that, big tech has taken aim at 48 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: the Babel on b and the left wing fat checker 49 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: snopes dot com actually fact checked the Bees headline that 50 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: read this CNN purchases industrial size washing machine to spin 51 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: news before publication. They really did this, and unlike the 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 1: be snoops, was not joking. I mean, do you all 53 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: actually think that the Onion gets targeted like this? Of 54 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: course they don't, because they're not conservative. We're going to 55 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: get into all of this with Seth Dylan, the Babel 56 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: and Bees CEO, and hopefully laugh a little sad. Thanks 57 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: so much for taking the time to join us today. 58 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for having Lisa so tell us a little 59 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: bit so that for the folks at home, if they're 60 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: not familiar with the Babel on Bee, just tell us 61 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: a little bit about it. So we're a satire set. 62 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you look at how we're 63 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: characterized and how you know, the media covers us, Um, 64 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: that varies quite a bit, but generally we're described as 65 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: like a conservative version of the Onion. So most people 66 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: know what the Onion is and can make that connection. 67 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: But um, you know, we write news satire, We cover 68 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: the stories of the day, and we do it for 69 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, a right of center conservative and also Christian perspective. 70 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: So we're just bringing a different worldview to the approach 71 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: of how we're doing the satire. But basically, we just 72 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, take whatever bad ideas are out there and 73 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: mock and ridicule the hell out of them, which there's 74 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: kind of an abundance these days, there is. There, truly is. Yeah, 75 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: And that's why that's kind of why when people ask me, like, 76 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: what's you know, why is satire so important today in 77 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: this day and age, and like, well, precisely for that reason. 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: Satire ridicules bad ideas well. I mean, it's a target 79 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: rich environment. I mean you've got like I remember over 80 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: the summer you had CNN telling us that the riots 81 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: were mostly peaceful and they're with the Kiroon said mostly 82 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: people peaceful and their fires burning in the background. It's like, 83 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: I mean, you you can't even you can't make that 84 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: stuff up. If we had, you know, that would have 85 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: been a really funny joke just to do is like 86 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: a skit or something like that, But it's hard to 87 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: be I mean, we try to exaggerate it. We did 88 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: an animation skit like that where the where the reporters 89 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: actually like getting stabbed by rioters and like having bricks 90 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: thrown at I mean, he's still insis thing it as 91 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: peaceful um. But it's hard to It's hard to exaggerate 92 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: reality when it's already a parody of itself. Yeah, exactly, 93 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 1: which is a sad statement and reflection of where we 94 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: are today in society. But you know here we are. 95 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: So so when did you become CEO? So it was 96 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: started before and then you acquired it? What what sort 97 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: of drew you to UM the babel and be and 98 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: why did you choose to purchase it? I wish I 99 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: could take credit for starting it. I mean it's just 100 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: I was a fan UM. Early on, people were sharing 101 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: the articles with me all the time, and they were 102 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: going viral, and it was really funny, and it was 103 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: like quality comedy. It wasn't cheesy. It was like biting 104 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: and snarky and ironic and full of mockery. And I 105 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: loved it. I've always loved satirical humor, but I've never 106 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: really seen much of it from my political perspective, so 107 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: it was really refreshing to see not only that, but also, 108 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, the inside church jokes. I grew up as 109 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: a pastor's kids, so I have kind of you know, 110 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 1: the inside church knowledge, and those jokes all made sense 111 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: to me. They didn't go over my head. So um, 112 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: I would really attracted to it for those reasons. I 113 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,359 Speaker 1: thought it was really good quality stuff. But it was 114 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: like a small time, little blog running on WordPress that 115 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: clearly was like not a big time operation. It was 116 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: just getting off the ground but was but was really 117 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: being shared widely. So I mean I got involved just 118 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: because I originally reached out just to see if they 119 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: wanted an investor, you know, to kind of go to 120 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: the next level, if they wanted some some extra cash. 121 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: Um and Adam, who was running it, wanted to sell 122 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: the site. He didn't want to keep running it because 123 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: he was afraid of what might happen with big tech censorship, 124 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: and he didn't like the the spotlight that he was under. 125 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: He was getting a lot of attention he wasn't comfortable with. 126 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: So um, he wanted to kind of step out of 127 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: that role. UM. And I saw it just as a 128 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: great opportunity to get involved because I couldn't pass it up. 129 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: So I really didn't have the intention of running it. 130 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: I really had the intention just of investing in it, 131 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: but when I had the opportunity to buy it, I 132 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: couldn't pass it up. Well, And so take us through 133 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: the editorial process, because we as we've already discussed, it's 134 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: a it's a target rich environment right now, So kind 135 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: of take us through what that process looks like. Uh well, 136 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: I mean, so we wake up every day, we look 137 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: at what's going on in the news, and we have 138 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: our slack channel where all of our writers are and 139 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: we're just kind of chatting with each other and we 140 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: just throw out ideas, like the joke always starts with 141 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: the headline. It's always the headline. Um. You know, most 142 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: of the people I wish they would read the articles 143 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: and click through and then click on all of the 144 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: ads because that's how I get rich. Um. But they 145 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: but most people just read the headlines and that's all 146 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: you really need to get the joke because we we 147 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: we pump, we pump it in there, we include it 148 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: in the headline. So all of them back and forth 149 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: between the writers is just pitching and iterating on headlines 150 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: to try to narrow down something that's that's worded just right, 151 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: that we know is going to connect with our audience. So, um, 152 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: that's really what it is. Now. The liberal media will 153 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: tell you that we wake up every day thinking of 154 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: how many people can we deceive today with our malicious misinformation? Right, Um, 155 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: but really we're just going for laughs, and we are, 156 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: you know, trying to speak truth to culture in some ways, 157 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: but it's but it's just a process of taking what's 158 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: going on in the headlines and exaggerating it and and 159 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: again ridiculing the bad ideas, mocking the hypocrisy and the 160 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: double standards. Um that you see out there. And it 161 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: is a very rich environment. But um, you know a 162 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: lot of people you say it's a target rich environment. 163 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: That is true, Um, but there is an extent to 164 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: which is actually more challenging to do satire in this 165 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: kind of environment than it isn't any other, just because, 166 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: like I said, you know, parody, uh is everywhere in reality, 167 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: and so it's very difficult to exaggerate that which is 168 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: already so crazy and absurd. So we find it actually 169 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: challenging day to day to come up with stuff that's 170 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: even more crazy than what's actually out there in the 171 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: real headlines. But see to that point. I mean, look, 172 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: we had Senna and recently tell us that you can't 173 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: tell baby sex at birth. We have the Energy secretary 174 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: recently telling us that we don't use past definitions of 175 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: infrastructure because of their course trying to redefine the world 176 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: word because Biden's transportation proposal is only like six percent 177 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 1: actually infrastructure. You've got Marry and web Stir trying to 178 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: change the definition of sexual preference to stick it to 179 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: Amy Coney Barrett. But ironically, these are the people who 180 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: are trying to be the arbiters of the truth. Yeah, 181 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: it is ironic, isn't it. Um, They're they're they're changing 182 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: the definitions of words every like ten seconds. Um, you 183 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: know that everything is two plus two can equal five 184 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: if you want it. To history is racist. Math is racist. Yeah, So, um, 185 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: you do have this weird situation where they are trying 186 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: to be the arbiters of truth and so we actually 187 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: have to It's funny, you know. I sometimes I sometimes 188 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: describe satire as true lies, um, because we are. We're 189 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: actually telling the truth by exposing their lies. But we're 190 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: doing it using fiction. So it's a little a little 191 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: complicated what we do. But but but it is fun. 192 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: You're your Twitter bio says fake news you can try, 193 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: which is just for folks at home. Here are some 194 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: of the headlines. I mean, it's it's genuinely hilarious. So 195 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: they have one that says, Mexico installs Stais to keep 196 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: Joe Biden out. Uh. And then so this other one 197 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: that says Apple releases feminist series who refuses to listen? 198 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: So it's it's it's hilarious. I mean, do you have, 199 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, going through all the different headlines since you 200 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: came on board, do you have a favorite that stands out? Um? 201 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I get asked that question a lot, 202 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: and I do have one that really stands out. I 203 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: wanted I thought I thought it was an original question, 204 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: but I guess I get um uh. You know, I 205 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: had one headline when I first got involved. I was 206 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: pitching so many headlines over and over and over again. 207 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: I was pitching headlines, and like the guys were probably cringing, like, well, 208 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: oh no, this this guy, he doesn't want to run 209 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: the business. He wants to be a writer, you know. 210 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: But I just in the process of getting to know 211 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: the b and its voice and everything, I was really 212 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: trying to like get in that mindset where I was 213 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: able to do what they do. And I must have 214 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: pitched a hundred and fifty headlines before even like one 215 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: of them got published. But one of them did get published, 216 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: and it was um uh, something like uh, Democrats draft 217 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: legislation that would make it a hate crime to eat 218 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: at Chick fil a. In it was right at the 219 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: time when like Chick fil A was in the news, 220 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: you know, for some reason, they were attacking them for something. 221 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: Um And it was something that happened in New York, 222 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: I think. And that that article got snoped, got fact 223 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: checked because a viral a lot of people believed that 224 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: it was true, and so Snopes fact checked it. And 225 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: I was wearing that like a badge of honor, and 226 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: like my first headline got published and it was already snoked. So, um, 227 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: that was kind of cool. That one stands out in 228 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: my memory. Um, we've had a lot that went like 229 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: crazy viral or just meant this like it were like 230 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: this perfect nexus between like the Christian culture stuff and 231 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: like what's going on in the news. Um. We did 232 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: one about how Joel Osteen was handing out copies of 233 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: your Best Life Now to people in like the flooded 234 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: uh area of Houston while he was driving around in 235 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: his yacht, and and it was just critical commentary on 236 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: like his prosperity theology that like you can live your 237 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: best life now. You know when it's like that gospel 238 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: doesn't preach everywhere. Look at look around you and Houston 239 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: everyone's dealing with this flood from Hurricane Harvey. So know 240 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: that those kinds of things they can sometimes go really 241 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: viral and have a really big impact. And those those 242 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: ones make an impression. I mean, it's not like you're 243 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: just taking on democrats or liberals. I mean, you take 244 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: on conservatives. You you know, you took on Trump during 245 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: his administration, So I mean it's you're not just targeting 246 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: the left you sort of target and make fun of, 247 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, just any sort of absurdity that you see. Yeah, 248 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: and that's a lot. I think it's healthy to um, 249 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: hold your yourself up to the mirror, you know, put 250 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: put yourself in the crosshairs a little bit, and do 251 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 1: some self deprecating stuff. I think it's really healthy for 252 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: people to be able to laugh at themselves. We have 253 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: this weird issue going on today where everybody is so 254 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: offended by everything, and everybody takes themselves so seriously. No 255 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: one wants to laugh. You know, if anyone, God forbid, 256 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: you're the target of a stereotype. Oh, you know, that's 257 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,119 Speaker 1: world ending for you. Come on, you know it's stereotypes 258 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: can be funny sometimes and and sometimes they apply to us. Um, 259 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: So you know, I just think people need to lighten up. 260 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: I think levity is really healthy, and self deprecating humor, 261 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: especially kind of keeps keeps ourselves in check a little bit. 262 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: So we poke it ourselves all the time. And that's 263 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: one of the reasons to be was so refreshing to 264 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: me and I wanted to get involved, is because I 265 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: saw that self deprecating humor and thought it was really healthy. Yeah, 266 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: it's hilarious. But why do you think that can't or 267 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be able to exist as well in 268 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: today's society. Uh. I think people a bit, especially young people, 269 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: have been trained to find things offensive, you know, like 270 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,559 Speaker 1: we have we score points when we're offended for whatever reason. 271 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: You know, you see all this virtue signaling that happens, 272 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: And a lot of the virtue signaling comes from this 273 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: like sanctimonious place of oh, look at me, I'm better 274 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: than you. I I think this is offensive and you 275 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: don't there for I'm a better person than you. Like, 276 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: people have been trained to kind of think in those terms. 277 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: And I think that's just like, first of all, it 278 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: makes you terrible person, it makes you obnoxious, um, and 279 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,719 Speaker 1: it's just immoral. So I don't know, plus full so 280 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: you add all that up and uh, and it's not 281 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: a good idea to to train kids and young people 282 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: to think that way. But but I think that is 283 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: the reason that it's so hard. You know, like Jerry 284 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: Seinfeld won't even do comedy shows on college campuses anymore 285 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: because college kids are offended by everything. So, you know, 286 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: it's a really sad commentary on on where we're at 287 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's what people don't understand sometimes is 288 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: if they don't stand behind its sad hire like the 289 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: Babylon b it's not just the babble and be. That 290 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: kind of impact ripples down to all sorts of comedy, 291 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: ripples down to all sorts of speech. I mean, it's 292 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: a much broader issue. Yet, Uh, you know a lot 293 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: of people on the left don't seem to realize that, 294 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: or maybe they do, I don't know. I mean I 295 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: think they've maybe some of them realize it, but they 296 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: think that they're safe because their speech won't be effective, 297 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: because their speech is acceptable. Maybe, um, but maybe what 298 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: they're not seeming to realize is that the standards are shifting, 299 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: like every ten minutes, and whatever was acceptable that they 300 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: were saying yesterday is no longer acceptable. Um. So once 301 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: maybe they start to realize that, they'll realize that they've 302 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: created a app for themselves. Well, and so you you 303 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: guys have been the target. You know, as we've discussed before, 304 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: you've been a big target of Big TEP. I mean 305 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: they've suspended or demonetized you guys as well, which certainly 306 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: puts your business at risk. What's it actually like to 307 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: be on the receiving end of those kinds of efforts. Um, 308 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: what's it like in what sense? I mean, in one sense, 309 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: I think it's encouraging. Um. You know, if you've got people, 310 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: if you've got people attacking you from the left, then 311 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: you've made the right enemies, right. UM. I think that 312 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: I think that it's it's a good thing to be 313 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 1: on the receiving end of some of that, just because 314 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: it means that you're having an impact. That's one way 315 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: of gauging your success in the culture battle. I think 316 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: um as as difficult as it can be to deal with, 317 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: to deal with like smears and negative criticism and whatever. Um, 318 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: if you're not generating that, God forbid, they were praising us. 319 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: Imagine if The New York Times was praising us or 320 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: CNN was praising us, Um, I'd be I'd be second 321 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: guessing myself real quickly. So I welcome their criticism. But 322 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: you know, what's what's challenging is just in this era 323 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: that we're in where big tech has so much control 324 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: and the media has so much control. You know, these 325 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: are quote reliable sources that are out there smearing us, 326 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: mischaracterizing us, um, calling us UM, you know, fake new 327 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: fake satire, whatever that means, um and and spreading misinformation. 328 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: You know, we're we're really in a situation where we're 329 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: in an uphill battle where we're struggling to have uh, 330 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: we're struggling for the right to be on these platforms 331 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: and to defend ourselves against these attacks that are really baseless. 332 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: But the whole system is rigged against us because you know, 333 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: if the media can get this lie to stick that 334 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: we're a misinformation site, a far right misinformation site, then 335 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, the social networks won't want anything to do 336 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: with us. They're not gonna want us on their platforms. So, UM, 337 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: it's a constant battle. So that that's that's difficult, but 338 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: you know someone's got to be on the front lines 339 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: fighting it, so might as well be us, Right. Do 340 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: you know if The Onion has east any of that 341 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: kind of censorship? Um, If if there's anything that's ever 342 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: happened like them getting dinged on Facebook or something like that, 343 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm not aware of it. Um. I know for a 344 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: fact that the way the media treats them, you know, 345 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 1: the media never mischaracterizes them. Snopes will always when they 346 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: fact check them, say the Onion is a funny satire site. 347 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: You should laugh. In fact, they're the best and greatest 348 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: satire site. Like it's always it's always understood that they're 349 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 1: doing satire and comedy. It's never suggested that they have 350 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: ill motives. So they're not in a situation where they 351 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: would ever. I mean, look the New York Times piece 352 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: that was just done done on us, that that called 353 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: that said that we trafficked and misinformation. This is a 354 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, a few weeks ago. Um that 355 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: piece was originally it was really about a left wing 356 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: cartoonist who was sometimes misunderstood he did satire that was 357 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: sometimes taken down off of Facebook because it was misunderstood 358 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: as being real. Well, when we weren't cited as like 359 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: a conservative example of that is that also happens to us. 360 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: You know, instead of saying, oh, we are a conservative 361 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: satire site that sometimes has their content taken down because 362 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: people think it's real, it was. It was treated much differently. 363 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: You know, they treated us as a far right misinformation 364 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: site that somehow gets away with misleading people on these platforms. 365 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: Um and Facebook needs to figure out what to do 366 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: about that. And that's just that just goes to show 367 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: you how, you know, how disingenuous and unfair they are, 368 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: and how they treat the two different sides. You know, 369 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: a left wing satirist is just a misunderstood satirist. A 370 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: right wing satirist is a disinformation a deceptive deceiver, I'm sorry, 371 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: a deceptive source of miss disinformation. Um. It's a mouthful 372 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: to get out. UM. So you know, it's it's unfair 373 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: the way that they do it, but UM, you know, 374 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: obviously that's just the climate that we're dealing with. I mean, 375 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: is it coordinated because it seems like, you know, you've 376 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: got The New York Times attacking you, and O CNN 377 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: has gone after you. Guys, you've got big tech targeting you. 378 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: I mean, is it is there sort of like a 379 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: sense that there's sort of this coordination involved in some 380 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: of it. I don't know that like talking behind the scenes, 381 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: but someone has definitely figured out that that's the way 382 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: to get to to shut us up and shut us down. UM. 383 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: You know, I think three years ago when Facebook really 384 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: started getting serious about um, misinformation spreading and and thriving 385 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: on their platform. Um, that's when this really started happening 386 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: with originally with Snopes and so I think that they 387 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: just see an opportunity. They're like, look, these guys like 388 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: they do fake news, they're trying to be satire. We 389 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: could if we mischaracterize them as actual fake news, then 390 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: we can shut them up. Um. I think it's just 391 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: an obvious I think it's kind of brilliant actually as 392 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: a tactic to to try to make that stick to us. 393 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: But it's just based on nothing, and so they can't 394 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: and they're frustrated. Do you feel like, do you think 395 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: it's maybe because some of the headlines are a little 396 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: too on the nose for them, like it brings a 397 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: little discomfort, as you mentioned, to kind of put the 398 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: mirror up and to take a look you. Yeah, I 399 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: think it's that they don't like the targets, right, the 400 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: targets were aiming at. Um. What they'll say is that 401 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: we are too close to the truth. We were we 402 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: were on this thin line between truth and in you know, satire, 403 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: and and we're way too close to the truth and 404 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: it's way too believable. But what they're what they're not 405 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: what they're not taking on board there, and this is 406 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: an important point that people need to realize, is that 407 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: satire just like when you hear that saying like there's 408 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: a grain of truth in every joke. Satire exaggerates the 409 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: truth to make its point. And if there's no truth 410 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: in the joke that you're making, then the joke won't land, 411 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: it won't be funny, it'll just come out of nowhere 412 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: and make no sense. So it's got to be rooted 413 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: in the truth. And if it's believable but not true 414 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: but believable, then that's an indictment of whoever we're satirizing. 415 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: It's not an indictment of satire. That just means that 416 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 1: whoever it is that we're making fun of, like deserves 417 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: to be made fun of that way they've done something 418 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: um so egregious, are so hypocritical or whatever that the 419 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: satirical piece we we were really resonated with people because 420 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: they thought it could possibly be true about that person. Well, 421 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: you know, that's an indictment of that person. So to 422 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: to turn around and say that satires the problem when 423 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: people believe that kind of stuff, I mean, that's silly. 424 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,959 Speaker 1: And and again if you look at the double standard 425 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: is glaring when you look at how they treat the onion. 426 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: The onion is believed all the time, UM, even by 427 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: heads of state. UM. And there's websites devoted to tracking 428 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: when people have taken Onion story seriously, but they never 429 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: consider that a problem. I mean, I remember, I think 430 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 1: it was two thousand and twelve, I believe it was 431 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: Congressman John Fleming tweeted out an Onion article about some 432 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: massive abortion plex that Planned Parenthood was creating, and it 433 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: talked about how there was like a three story nightclub 434 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: and a lazy river, and you're like, and I'm pro life, right, 435 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: but it's like, you know, and so it's like it's absurd, 436 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 1: but like you know, there's an element kerdle of truth 437 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: in there with you know, Planned Parenthood sort of taking 438 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: things to that length. But you know, he he thought 439 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: it was real and tweeted it out. To your point, 440 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: but if you have you ever heard from has anyone 441 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: from the Onion reached out in solidarity with you, because 442 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: you would think that of doing something in a similar 443 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: vein that they would feel protective over speech and supportive, 444 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: you would think. So there aren't many on the left 445 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: to have that mentality. I would say maybe Bill Maher 446 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: is one of them. Um, he really cares about speech 447 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: and protecting the right of people to say things that 448 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 1: are offensive even if you don't like them. Uh, nobody 449 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: from the Onion has reached out to us to communicate 450 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: anything like that. Now they should. And some of these 451 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: some of the fact checking and stuff is so dumb. 452 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: So like snopes dot Com fact checked one of your 453 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: headlines that said CNN purchases industrial sized washing machine to 454 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: spend news before publication, which as absolutely hilarious but clearly 455 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: a joke. Uh you know, so, so why even fact 456 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: check something like that? I mean, you would have to 457 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: read this and being moron to think that is true. 458 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they're fake news and it's hilarious to 459 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: poke fun at them, But do you think that they 460 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: actually you know, CNN purchased an industrial sized washing machine 461 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: machine to spend new is before publication. Just defies logic 462 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: and reason. Yet they still fact checked it. So why 463 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: that's remarkable, isn't it. I Mean, it's like, on the 464 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: face of it, that story is so silly, you know, 465 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: some of them When I when I made it comment 466 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: a moment ago about how our satire rides on the 467 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: back of the truth and it exaggerates it. That is 468 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: um that is one of the examples of how satire 469 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: can sometimes just be silly and absurd um and is 470 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: not really believable. So it's kind of funny that that 471 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: was one of the ones that got fact checked and 472 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: actually got us like threatened with demonetization and d platforming 473 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: on Facebook because Facebook was using Snopes as one of 474 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: their fact checkers at the time when that happened. Um. 475 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: But what Snopes will tell you if you ask Snopes, 476 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: you know that the founder of Snopes will say that 477 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: they fact check things based on reports, like things that 478 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: come in. There's a threshold they have and if there's 479 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: a certain number of reports, like if there's a huge 480 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: volume of people who are misunderstanding something are asking is 481 00:23:55,560 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: this real, then they fact check it. Um I I 482 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: I call bs on that because the story like that, 483 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: I don't think there's one person who thought that was 484 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: actually true. There can't even be one. So I have 485 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: no idea why they fact checked that one. It's just 486 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: silly that they picked that one. But there's other examples 487 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: of silly ones, like did you see that UH USA 488 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: Today fact checked US USA Today, by the way, funded 489 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: by Facebook. Um. Their fact checking department is funded by 490 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: Facebook fact checked us and and rated the claim the 491 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: satirical claim that Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death had been overturned 492 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: by the Ninth Circuit Court. They rated that false and 493 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 1: they cited fifteen sources in their lengthy refutation of that joke, 494 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: which is just the most absurd joke. Ever, how do 495 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: you overturn somebody's death like that? That doesn't even make sense? Yeah, 496 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,239 Speaker 1: who who are these people that? When? I mean like 497 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: also embarrassing for them. I mean like if if if 498 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: us today reached out to me as a as an 499 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: expert to go on the record talking about how that's fake, 500 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: I mean, when I would be like, this is the 501 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: dumbest thing ever, Like, I have more interesting things to 502 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: do with my day, and I'm not an idiot, So like, 503 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: why does anyone even take the time to do that? Like, 504 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: it's it's embarrassing. It's well, for one thing, it creates 505 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: a paper trail of us having been fact checked. I mean, 506 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: this is one of the things they can look at 507 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: in sight, and this is one of the things they 508 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: do site is these guys keep missing these they keep 509 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: misleading people, They keep getting people to believe things that 510 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: aren't true. Look at how many times they've had to 511 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: be fact checked, So it almost doesn't even matter which 512 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: stories they're fact checking as long as they're fact checking 513 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 1: us and reading our stuff false. Um, but if you 514 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: go and read that one, you should do it. I 515 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: mean it's it's they're straight faced saying we've checked the 516 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit Courts website and it says nothing about overturning 517 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: Ruth Bader Ginsburg's death. It's like, why would it? That 518 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: is absurd, that's ridiculous. You could have just gone to 519 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: our website and seeing that we're the most popular satire 520 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: site on the internet, and said this was satire and 521 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: called it a day, which yeah, I mean, it's like, 522 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: how does anyone ever believe that's real? But you know 523 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: they don't, and you're right, that's the point is there. 524 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: You know they're essentially trying to take you down. Do 525 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: you ever worry that you know they they do that 526 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: they will take us down? Uh? I don't know. I mean, 527 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: I so someone has asked me this before, like Tucker 528 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: Carlson asked me if it worries me, and my answer 529 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: to him was, uh no, because we get so much 530 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: support and there's so much pushback, and it usually bites 531 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: them in the ass, Like they end up regretting how 532 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: they came after us because they get so much negative 533 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: press out of it, and we get so much positive 534 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: coverage and we end up getting more subscribers or whatever. 535 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: You know, Like we kind of thrive off of the 536 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: controversy to some extent, but that will only last up 537 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: to a point. You know. I've started to get with 538 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: what has happened with the New York Times. You know, 539 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: I say this very emphatically, like we can't let these 540 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 1: lies stick. The minute a reliable source and I use 541 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: that very loosely when I'm describing New York Times, but 542 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: they're considered a reliable source for better or worse, the 543 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: moment they published something and it's allowed to stand that 544 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 1: says we traffic and misinformation. Well, then we are seriously 545 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: threatened with possibility that Facebook will look to that as 546 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: a reason to take us off the platform, um, regardless 547 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: of what our history is. You know, if New York 548 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: Times said it the reliable source, So there is a 549 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: very real threat of that potentially happening. Uh. And how 550 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: we fight back against that and what the end outcome 551 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: will be, I'm not sure, but it's a it's real 552 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: it's a realistic possibility, you know, because it's you know, 553 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: we're sort of at this interesting place where the left 554 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: has so much power in America. I remember, you know, 555 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: because the alternative always for conservatives was oh, just build 556 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 1: your own platform, and then you have Parlor that did that, 557 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,959 Speaker 1: and then they got d platform. Yet we see an 558 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 1: articles that a lot of the planning that took pace 559 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: for January six happen on places like Facebook, but nothing 560 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: happened to them, no recourse taken against Facebook. So I mean, 561 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: what's the path forward for conservatives and all this? As 562 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: you know, we we sort of have this wage, this 563 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: uphill battle against the almighty left. It might be above 564 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: my pay grade to that question, but I do have 565 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: an opinion, um that I'll take an opinion, okay, for 566 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: whatever it's worth, an opinion from fake news. You can trust, 567 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,479 Speaker 1: um that conservatives need to you know, for for for 568 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: better or worse, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, whatever. These main platforms 569 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: the primary social networks that everybody and you're, all of 570 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: your family members and all of your friends are on. 571 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: They are the public square that is in the century, 572 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: that is where um uh, meaningful discussions and discourse take place, 573 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: and where all sides are represented and where everyone should 574 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: be able to have a say. Um. Now, the laws 575 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: haven't caught up with that yet, you know, they're they 576 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: the courts haven't dealt with some of these questions, these 577 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: hard questions yet UM. Section to thirty comes into the conversation. 578 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: But you have this effort, I think, for conservatives to 579 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: set up their own platforms and remove themselves from the 580 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: public square and say, if we're not welcome here, we're 581 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: gonna go. We're gonna take our conversation somewhere else. Imagine 582 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: an actual public square where you know, you get shouted down, 583 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 1: or you're or you're relegated to a corner somewhere, and 584 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: you have to whisper amongst yourselves because you're not welcome 585 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: to talk in the actual public square. That's not an 586 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:24,239 Speaker 1: acceptable solution, I don't think. And that's what you end 587 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: up with with some of these With these alternative platforms, 588 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: you're really just talking amongst yourselves and you're not involved 589 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: in the actual discourse that's happening in the real public square. UM. 590 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: So it's really more akin to like a very large 591 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: Trump supporting Facebook group rather than an actual alternative to Facebook, um, 592 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: something like that. So I don't think that's the answer. 593 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: I think we have to assert our right to be 594 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: on these platforms. This is where speech happens is it 595 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: is the public square. We have a right to be there, 596 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: and these platforms shouldn't be exercising viewpoint discrimination to knock 597 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: us off of them, and the and the government, the 598 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: big tech companies are in fact acting as an arm 599 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: of the government to do that. The government wants that happening, 600 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: at least, you know, the Democrats and government want that happening, 601 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 1: and the big the big tech companies are doing their 602 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: bidding um. And it would be unconstitutional if the government 603 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: did it, but the private companies that align with the 604 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: leftists are able to do it and incite these you know, 605 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: um exemptions that allow them to do it. And it's 606 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: just absurd how the these these loopholes are being used 607 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: against us. So I think we have to fight back 608 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: against that. And I don't know what the answer is 609 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: for how we do that, um, But I'm open to 610 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: suggestions and I'll get involved in shutting down of speech 611 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: and censorship seems to live so healthily on the left. 612 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: Why is that because Um, when you don't have really 613 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: good arguments, you have to shut up the people who 614 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: are saying things you don't like that you can't refute. 615 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately, that's what it seems to come down to, 616 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: kind of this childish I don't want to hear what 617 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: you have to say. You know, they don't want to 618 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: be they don't want to be convicted, they don't want 619 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 1: to be challenged, they don't want to be debated with. UM. 620 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: They want to engage in ad hominem argumentation where they 621 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: slander you, attack you personally. Uh. And they want to 622 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: keep you from responding or saying anything back that would 623 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: be you know, meaningful, or make them look bad or 624 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: might refute their position. Um. It's it's. It is a 625 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: very immature attitude towards discourse and UH and and policy 626 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: and everything. But you know, it's it's. It's certainly effective 627 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: when you control all of these platforms on which people 628 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: actually speak, UM, you can actually you can actually get 629 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: your way that way. UM. But it seems to just 630 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: come from a place of immaturity. In my view, it 631 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: makes me sad that people can't find the humor in things. 632 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've gone to you know, the comedy 633 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: seller in New York City when I used to live there, 634 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: and all the jokes were anti Trump, right, And I 635 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: sit there as a Trump supporter, and I laughed because 636 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: it's funny, because I can find humor even if the 637 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: attacks and even if the you know, the jokes are 638 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: aimed at me, I can still find humor in it 639 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: because I'm not a monster, and I have a sense 640 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: of humor, and it's still funny. But I don't understand 641 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: why it seems, you know, on the other side they 642 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: can't do that. But you know, the thing, isn't it 643 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 1: because I grew up, you know, as a Christian. You know, 644 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: I'm watching shows like The Simpsons or Family Guy or 645 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: South Park, and you know, like Jesus and his followers 646 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: in the Christian Church are just ruthlessly made fun of 647 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: in mainstream culture and television and movies and and sometimes, 648 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes the jokes are funny, sometimes they're deserved. Um. 649 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: And you know, we've learned to laugh at ourselves because 650 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: we're the butt of these jokes just all over the place. Um. 651 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: It's very uncomfortable for them though, when it comes back 652 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: at them, and maybe they just need to get used 653 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: to it. Yeah, I'm constantly making fun of myself because 654 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: that's also a target rich environment. So you know, it's 655 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: like whatever, I don't really care. It's you know, I mean, 656 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: it's it's like the real stuff that ends up hurting you. 657 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: If like your mom's like I'm disappointed by what you 658 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: said on TV and they're like, oh corrupt, you know. 659 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: But like, for instance, one of the Mina or you know, 660 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: not Mina's, but this lady tweeted me one time and 661 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: I thought it was hilarious and I was saying that 662 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton didn't have a message. This was like back 663 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: in sixteen, and this woman was her messages that you 664 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: should get or you should get paid the same as 665 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: a man for the shitty job that you do. And 666 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: I laughed because I was like, Okay, that's actually really funny, 667 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: like touche, you know, like that that's funny or you know, 668 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: or I had simply tweet me one time and she 669 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: was like, is that is that your arm? Or is 670 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: your ombre hair trashy? Or is it my TV? And 671 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: I was like, it's your TV, you know. I mean, 672 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: it's obviously it's not there, but you know, it's funny, right, 673 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: like it's it's a humor should be uniting thing versus 674 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: you know, dividing thing, and should be some sort of 675 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: shared activity among all of us and being able to 676 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: laugh together. Right, if you look back at humor, like 677 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: the great comedians of the prior decades, you know, going 678 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: back into the seventies, eighties, and nineties, you know, like 679 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: they made fun of everybody, including themselves, but pretty pretty 680 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: ruthlessly stereotyped people and and and you know it was 681 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: you were able to make jokes of things that like 682 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: women typically do, or you're able to make jokes of 683 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: things about uh, that even certain minorities do. Like you're 684 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: able to all these jokes you know, like we're we're, we're. 685 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: You know, they were edgy, but they were they were 686 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 1: still people still considered them funny, and you were able 687 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: to make them without without considering you necessarily a misogynist 688 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: or a racist for making them. You're just trying to 689 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: be funny. Um. And people were willing to laugh at themselves. 690 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: You know, that was that was possible very recently, and 691 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: it's no longer possible now. Um. And so you know, 692 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: I don't consider that progress by any stretch of the imagination. 693 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't either, and we should all be able to laugh. 694 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: Particularly mean, a lot of people have had, you know, 695 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: a lot of hardships over the past few ones, durring COVID, 696 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: a loss of life, loss of income, and uh, you 697 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: know the people. The humor and laughing is good for 698 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: the soul and good for the country. And making a 699 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: joke at someone else's expense doesn't mean that you hate them, 700 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,919 Speaker 1: you know. Um, it's not necessarily said in a mean 701 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: spirit in some In some cases, it's just said because 702 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: it's a funny observation. Um, you know, you can make 703 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:13,959 Speaker 1: I saw a video the other day of a woman 704 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: trying to parallel park and it was going kind of viral. 705 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this one, but it 706 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: took her forever to parallel park, and there was another 707 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: woman who it was probably me. It was like her 708 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: hit the parking job done and then immediately got in 709 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: her car and left, and her car was one of 710 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 1: the cars that was making it difficult for the parallel 711 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: parking job to happen. So the whole thing was just 712 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: kind of this mess. But you know it, it's funny, 713 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: Like you can't even like you can't make fun of 714 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: a woman's ability to like park a car in a 715 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: in a parallel spot without being accused of hating women, 716 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: which is just silly. It's so silly, Like, come on, um, 717 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: these these types of jokes are so harmless, um, and 718 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,919 Speaker 1: and to act like they're super harmful is I think 719 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: in fact harmful. It's also just exhaust staying. I mean, 720 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: I don't understand how people could live each I mean 721 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: just waking up and you know what am I outraged 722 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: about today? I mean it's just exhausting, right, What little 723 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: thing that doesn't even apply to me personally? Can I 724 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: be bothered by? Today? I mean, what an unhealthy mentality 725 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: to have to be is if we don't have enough 726 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 1: unhealthy things. You know, we're addicted to scrolling our feeds, 727 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: our phones and and responding to notifications all the time, 728 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: and now we're also addicted to just being offended by 729 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,359 Speaker 1: every little thing that doesn't even apply to us. I mean, 730 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:32,439 Speaker 1: it's just so psychologically and emotionally draining. Well, seth leave 731 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: us on something positive. What what should people know about 732 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: the beer? Or just you know, leave us with something 733 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: good here. Well, I will say that if you want 734 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: to stay on top of like what is going on 735 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: in the news, but from more of like a fun 736 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: and funny perspective. We have a news site now called 737 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: Not the b which is like all the news that 738 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: should be satire but somehow isn't because it's so absurd. Um. 739 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: That is a fun and funny place to kind of 740 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: consume the news because we mocked silly stuff, just like 741 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: we do on The Babylon Be. But we're actually reporting 742 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,439 Speaker 1: real stories rather than doing satire. So um, and that's 743 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: growing like crazy, So I would check that out totally, 744 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: So everyone check that out. I also think that the 745 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: media when they attack you guys, ultimately end up discrediting 746 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: themselves and eroding trust in you know, there are publications 747 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: as well. But again to the listeners, I am a huge, 748 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: huge fan, you know, big endorser of the Babylon Be. 749 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: You guys are absolutely hilarious. I retweet your stuff constantly. 750 00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: It always makes me laugh and we need laughs these days. 751 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,920 Speaker 1: So keep up the good fight. You guys are killing it. 752 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, appreciate you. Thanks Seth, take care. 753 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 1: I want to thank Seth Dylan of The Babylon Be 754 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: once again for such a great interview and if you 755 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: enjoy today's show, please leave us a review and rate 756 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: us five stars on Apple Podcasts. You can also find 757 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: me on Twitter and Instagram at at least some Rebooth 758 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: also just want to give a special thanks to our 759 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 1: team producer John Cassio, researcher Margaret Smith, and executive producers 760 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: Debbie Myers and speaker New Gingrich, who are all part 761 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: of the sixty Network