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Speaker 1: This is the business of sports. Should Major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: the audience of the future. I don't think that most

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Speaker 1: players understand the power that they have. The future of

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Speaker 1: IndyCar racing is looking bright. Scottshnick very basic math here,

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Speaker 1: more bidders means more money, Evan Nobody Williams. The team

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Speaker 1: value has essentially quadrupled. And the leaders in the sports

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Speaker 1: industry time to bringing our guest, hal Steinbrunner, National Hockey

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Speaker 1: League Commissioner Gary Betman, Atlanta Braves president Derek Schiller, Patriots

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Speaker 1: President Jonathan Kraft. Bloomberg Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I'm Scott, I'm Evan, Novie Williams, and I'm Michael Barr.

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Speaker 1: And this is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast where

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Speaker 1: we didn't do it again. See now you're back and

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Speaker 1: you didn't mountain Man doesn't do anything. I traveled Canada,

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Speaker 1: I know the others are dangerous. We are are in

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Speaker 1: the big money issues in the world of sports. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna start Bob Costas he confirms something uh now to

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Speaker 1: his tenure with NBC. Right, like we all knew, we

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Speaker 1: all knew, I mean, y'all know. But it's still fun

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Speaker 1: to hear him detailing. You know, he said, you know

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Speaker 1: previous year, not this one, obviously, because what he said

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Speaker 1: about concussions and the NFL and how it's it's like,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's arguable whether it is the truth. Do

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Speaker 1: we have enough science? That's what the NFL will say,

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Speaker 1: even though the NFL has admitted there was a link. Um,

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Speaker 1: But this is, as he said, not a valuable property.

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Speaker 1: This is the most valuable property on TV. And when

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Speaker 1: you know, we would really rather your announcers not bash

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Speaker 1: we do have some renegotiations coming up for other parts

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Speaker 1: of the NFL. You see who backs down. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: Playmakers that the show the ESPN aired briefly that reportedly

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Speaker 1: playing a role in it being canceled. Think about less

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Speaker 1: moonvez and the way that he went after Janet Jackson

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Speaker 1: Moon vests troubles these days. Sure, um, but yes, this

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Speaker 1: just seems like another piece of evidence that that shows

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Speaker 1: Do people care like, are fewer people watching the NFL

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Speaker 1: if if they're absorbing Playmakers? And Bob Costa says, you know,

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Speaker 1: does that in any way diminish the audience? People are

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Speaker 1: still going to watch it, still watching? Right? What I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to what is the direct causal problem between the

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Speaker 1: what they want, As Brian Rolapp said on this show,

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Speaker 1: we want the biggest broadest audience out there. Who turns

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Speaker 1: it off? Does anyone see What I don't get though,

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Speaker 1: is no people watch the game because it's a violent game.

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Speaker 1: You're not watching people play flying football. It's a violent game.

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Speaker 1: The hits are violent. No, you don't want anybody hurt,

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Speaker 1: but you know the hits are violent, and NFL celebrates

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Speaker 1: and and now, well, look, Bob cost us. He told

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Speaker 1: marketing campaign for next year's tickets and renewal isnt ticket

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Speaker 1: renewal And they include a picture of Kevin Durant, of course,

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Speaker 1: this is perfect for the Knicks. And they put Kevin

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Speaker 1: how I mean? How elseo the Knicks supposed to sell

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Speaker 1: which and and it is, but they chose Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: at a time when like, if nothing else, if nothing else,

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Speaker 1: Like the Knicks are selling season tickets using my image

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Speaker 1: we have the words. The problem is what else best?

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