WEBVTT - AFC vs. NFC: Playoff QBs & Coaching Styles + Running Back Value 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:06.760 And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:11.039 What's up everybody, Happy New Year, Welcome to move the sticks. Buck. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:12.440 How are you doing, my friend. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.000 Man, I'm good, DJ I am happy and excited, grateful 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.000 for a terrific twenty twenty four, but looking forward to 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:21.760 everything that is on the horizon in twenty twenty five, 0:00:21.800 --> 0:00:24.239 particularly all the great stuff that we have been blessed 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.560 to do. Just so, I just want to be able 0:00:26.600 --> 0:00:29.480 to say gratitude and look, we've been doing this for 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:31.720 a long time and at a time when the industry 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.120 is topsy turvy. Look, man, I'm blessed and fortunate to 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:36.159 have such a great partner in you. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:39.240 Well, I'm very thankful for you as well. And it's cool. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:41.479 One of the things we both get to travel around 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:45.480 in all these different NFL stadiums every week, and I'm 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:47.479 sure you've experienced the same thing I have, which is 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.760 you run into people all the time. Hey, Neil love 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.280 the podcast. We'll listen to podcast. We're listening forever. They'll 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.960 reference something from a rookie draft, they'll reference something from 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.880 one of the conversations that we've had. So it's cool 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.440 when you know that people inside the industry or. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:04.479 I think that's the coolest thing in DJ. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.200 I would say the coolest thing is like some of 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.640 the young guys that adjusting to the industry, like talking 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.960 about Man, I've been listening to your podcasts forever and 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.160 all of that stuff, and so it just kind of 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.200 reminds me that this is not only where we express opinions, 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:18.880 but it's an opportunity to kind of pay it forward 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:20.880 and give back to kind of teach some of the 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:23.120 things that we've been taught along the way, and kind 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.760 of give it back to another generation of evaluators. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.040 No doubt. A couple of things I want to hit 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.640 on in this episode. Buck. We did some college football 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.640 stuff yesterday. Well again, be getting to a lot more 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.440 draft stuff as we go forward, especially once we finish 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:38.240 up the regular season, we'll kind of turn the page 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.959 a little bit, you know, not only folksing on the playoffs, 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.480 but also getting a lot more draft discussion in there. 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.360 But I was looking at the playoffs as we stand 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.960 right now, and these last few spots will be determined 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.240 going forward, but I wanted to just talk to you 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.880 about the different quarterbacks that we could be looking at 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:59.520 in the postseason and the stories there are fascinating. Let's 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.600 start first of all on the NFC side of things here. 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.360 So when you look at the NFC as we sit 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.520 right now, we've got the big one five game between 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:11.280 Minnesota and Detroit that'll determine who goes there. We've got 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:15.320 Tampa Bay, We've got the Rams, We've got the Commanders, 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.800 we've got the Packers, we've got the Eagles. So the 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:21.320 field is is pretty much set there in the NFC. 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:24.080 Just some seating to be handled there, particularly with what 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.720 happens in that one five game there with Detroit and Minnesota. 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:32.080 Huge huge implications there. But I'm looking at it going Detroit. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:36.040 Jared Goff second team, Baker Mayfield is on, He's been 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.280 on multiple teams there with the Bucks. Sam Darnold not 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:44.120 on his original team, Matthew Stafford not on his original team. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:49.079 Then you have, Okay, you've got Philadelphia with a quarterback 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.639 that they took outside of the first round. You've got 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:53.760 Green Bay who took a quarterback when they already had 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.000 a quarterback in Jordan Love. And then you've got maybe 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:59.120 the one that's different than everybody else. It's Jayden and 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.079 Daniels with the high picked the second overall pick as 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.400 a rookie. So really there's only I would say, one 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:10.120 traditional half quarterback, and that's what Jayden Daniels. The rest 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.040 of them have come later or have have come after 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:14.560 they've been on another team. 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.440 Yeah, I think what's interesting and that And this goes 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.400 all the way back to being in Green Bay with 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.080 Ron Wolf and he used to talk about this with 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.680 Al Davis and it wasn't just related to quarterbacks, but 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:27.840 it was related to all players. And the late Al 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.960 Davis used to always put a premium on pedigree. Where 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:34.240 someone was drafted mattered, and it didn't matter if it 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.320 flopped in their previous destination. But what mattered that the 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:41.080 league thought highly enough to pretty much give a person 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:43.400 the first round grade, because you know this DJ is 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.280 is rare that someone is taken in the first round 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.640 where the majority of the league doesn't have first round 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:50.760 grades on them. There may be some prizes, but they're 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.760 not these wide ranges. And so for Al Davis to 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.720 talk about if someone the league viewed this person as 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:58.920 this type talent, you at least want to bring him 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:00.839 into the building and kick the tires on him. 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:02.440 New environment, new. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.600 Scheme, different voices may bring about the talent that led 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.240 everyone to view him as that player. And I think 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.040 with quarterbacks it's very true. You just don't know how 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.400 someone will fit into another scheme, and so you want 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.440 to kick the tires and see, maybe he performs better 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:20.320 and our scheme did it then in his previous scheme, 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.760 Maybe it's the right coach whispering this week. Nothing's into 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.120 his ear that allows him to unlock that talent with 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.760 a Baker Mayfield, with the Sam Donald, with a Jerry Goff. 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.560 Even we have seen in new environments the player that 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.800 many of us so in college has finally been realized, 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:37.520 and so it's. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:38.200 A lesson that. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.320 Look, just because it doesn't work in one place doesn't 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.479 mean that we throw him out. Maybe he just needs 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.680 a different destination with a different play call that to 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.120 help him be the player that we envision when he 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:49.080 was in the draft process. 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:51.000 Yeah. No, I think that's what a lot of teams 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:52.920 are going to be trying to find in this upcoming offseason. 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.080 We'll spend more time on that as we get into 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.119 the spring. That's the quarterback side of a head coaching wise. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.120 In the NFC five offense guys two defensive guys. And 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:04.760 I say that while also, you know, Dan Campbell's technically 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.240 an offensive guy, but he doesn't call the plays and 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.640 he's you know, designates that that beneath him. So but 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:16.520 as you look at it, five offensive two defensive guys, well. 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.000 I mean, look, there's gonna be a lot made of that. 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:20.320 And with the play caller. 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.680 And we've had the conversation here and a little bit 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.359 of debate about like you have the consistency in the 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.120 play caller when the head coach is the offensive play caller, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.960 So the quarterback has the luxury of knowing that he 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.000 is going to be in the same system for as 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:34.520 long as the head coach is there. If you have 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.400 a defensive guy, the coordinators may change and that could 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.839 impact the quarterback because of changing system, changing play caller 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.960 and those things. I think it's important that if you 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:50.360 do have an offensive minded head coach, that the defensive 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.080 coordinator is able to kind of act as the head 0:05:54.080 --> 0:05:56.720 coach of the defense. Now that sounds crazy because it 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.400 sounds like a captain obvious statement, but I want everyone 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.680 to understand and the inner workings of when you're the 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.880 offensive play caller and the head coach you spend the 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:07.640 majority of your time in the offensive room. You may 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.039 not install the players. The coordinator organizes that and does that, 0:06:11.080 --> 0:06:13.080 but you spend a lot of your time and attention 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:17.440 getting the offense ready. That defensive coordinator has to have 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:20.120 a level of independence that he doesn't need to lean 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.560 on the head coach as much to control that side 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.040 of the team. And if you have a mature defensive 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.000 coordinator that does it. He acts as the head coaches 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.280 that squad. He'll run some things by the head coach, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.360 but he really has a lot of autonomy to kind 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.760 of handle that group as it is. And so when 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:40.440 you're the offensive coordinator, the most important hire is the 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.680 defensive coordinator. And that's why you will see young offensive 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:48.599 minded head coaches having older established defensive coordinator because you 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.479 would like to be able to hand them the defensive 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:51.960 thing and go with it. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.240 And so it's interesting to see that. 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:58.880 And I'm saying this even though I guess koc is young, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:01.520 but I just think the second time around, when he 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:02.280 got Brian. 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.360 Flores, Yeah, I think we've seen. 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.120 Kevin o'connall go to another level because I don't think 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.560 he has to worry as much about what the defense 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.720 is doing because he has a former head coach and 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:16.000 a really brilliant off defensive mind handling this out of 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:16.280 the bait. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.200 And they have history with each other, you know, going 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:19.240 back to New England. 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.160 So yeah, they see ball the same Well. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:24.880 They kind of were trained the same way, so and 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.400 I think that, yeah, that's a whole other discussion. I'm 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:30.640 fascinated once we get to talking about coaching openings, Flores 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.280 will be a fascinating case study to dig into. You know, 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.440 how he's he's grown and learned in different environments he's 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:37.960 been in, and maybe he'll have a better shot at 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.040 it the second time around. I want to do the 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:43.240 same exercise for the AFC, and let's start first of all, 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.440 the quarterbacks. So if we're looking at the maybe the 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:50.559 only traditional route in the NFC being Jaden Daniels, six 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:54.120 of the seven as we stand right now, and that's 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.560 the last spot is still to be determined, which I think, well, 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.920 it's gonna be fine because it's three teams. You've got Denver, 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.480 You've got Miami, and you've got Cincinnati. All three of 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.120 those are first round quarterbacks. The other teams outside Russell 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.680 Wilson's the only non original first round pick of the 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:13.000 playoff teams in the AFC. Think about how Stroud high 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:17.360 pick first round Mahomes, Herbert, Josh Allen, boneckx, Lamar Jackson 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:19.120 and Lamar Jackson being in the bottom of the first round. 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:21.400 But all those guys first round picks homegrown guys. 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.920 Yeah, homegrown guys And what would be interesting And we 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:26.680 won't do this now, but we can look at it 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.360 when the playoff field is set. Dj when we rank 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.280 all of the quarterbacks, the AFC would be represented near 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.520 the top of the charts in terms of talent pedigree 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.760 in those things. So the NFC has been able to 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:41.199 do it with recycle guys, but the AFC, you better 0:08:41.240 --> 0:08:43.040 have a heavy hitter. And some of that is just 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.520 the nature of the conference. Knowing that we always talk 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:46.920 about you got to build your team to not only 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.600 win your division, but to deal with the teams that 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:50.640 are in your conference. 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:52.720 And quarterback play is critical. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.640 In every quarterback that we talk about there, they have 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.040 the ability to take over the game in a variety 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:03.120 of ways, whether it's Joe Burrow playing the past first 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.880 point guard, the ultimate distributor with its Pat Mahomes and 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:10.760 his creativity, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen doing it as dual threats. 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.360 They all have the ability to put the cape on 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:18.240 and to jump into their superhero versions of themselves. It 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.079 just goes to show you that, man, it's coaching and quarterback. 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:23.560 We can talk about a lot of different things. But 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.439 and Brian dave Ball said this, and the funny he 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:28.880 said it with Drew Locke. You have good quarterback play, 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:30.880 you have a chance. And that is evident when we 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.920 get into the postseason. You have to have great quarterback 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:37.120 play to hoist the trophy. And these teams in the 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.439 AFC man about as good as it gets when it 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:40.120 comes to quarterback. 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:40.640 Yeah. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.640 My analogy is it's like going to a car lot 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:44.160 and then the NFC. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:44.280 They go hey. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.000 The guy goes, hey, show you these used cars over here. 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.280 We got it. I still used car a lot over here. 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.800 These AFC teams like, whoa, look at these shiny new cars. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:57.040 Get zero miles, no miles on that thing. That's a 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.559 high sticker. But we'll take it. They'll take the new car. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:03.040 I like the new car smell. I like the new 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.160 car smell. Yeah no, no, no, no, no, no one. 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.800 I like my dometer uh, under trouble digits, I don't 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:10.160 fresh off the lines. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:10.920 We will, we don't. 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:12.599 We don't want to have to deal with it. I 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:17.480 know exactly what I'm getting. It's fascinating. And when we 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.360 get to the Super Bowl and we finally see the 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.760 last two teams standing, and we talked about the quarterbacks 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.320 and we talked about how they get here, and you know, 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.840 we talked about trucks and trailers and that stuff. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.360 Will the quarterbacks that are trucks get to the. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.600 Final dance and where we have a trailer representing one 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:34.680 of them? 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.520 Well, let's let's yeah, that's a that's a great point, 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.080 you know, And they're two different ways to roster built there. 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.000 Let's let's look at the coaches here. This is the fascinating. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.520 So we talked about five to two right offense to 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.720 defense in the NFC. Let's flip it over to the 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:53.240 AFC Tom one defense, uh, Demico Ryan's defense, Uh Andy 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.720 Reid's offense. So that's two to one. Hardball is offense 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.880 but doesn't call the plays. But so let's sew three 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:03.360 to one Baltimore. I'll go John Harball with special teams 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.280 that also had a little but also had a little 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:09.280 defensive experience, so I'll give that to the defensive sides. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:14.000 That's for Sean Payton offense. But then you've got McDermott defense, 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:18.360 So there's more defensive head coaches in that side with 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:23.480 married up with all the premier quarterbacks. So it's fascinating, man. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.040 Okay, So maybe the trick is, if I'm gonna have 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.120 a defensive side of the ball, I gotta invest more 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:32.080 on offense with the quarterback, Whereas if I have an 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:36.040 offensive coach, I am saying, hey, you can fix whatever 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.160 quarterback we bring you, and then we'll pour our resources 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.160 into the other parts of the team. 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:42.559 Because that would be the. 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.920 Thing because Kevin O'Connell taking a you know, a reclamation project. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.080 You talked about some of the other guys kind of 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.360 working maybe with lesser talented guys at quarterback, whereas the 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:54.720 defensive guys like, yeah, give me the most talented quarterback. 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:57.240 You just going in what you need to do. You 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.000 go doing what you need to do, and I'm gonna 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.400 figure out how to fix this defense and get us 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.360 playing championship level ball on this side, and you just 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.240 kind of make enough place for us to win the game, 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:08.000 which is kind of weird. 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.679 You would think the defensive coach would maybe have the 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.520 recycled game manager esque quarterback, but now the defensive coaches 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.560 have the Ferraris. They got the Ferraris on offense, and 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.080 maybe the offensive coaches that are trying to make some 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.280 things happen with maybe not the you know, because. 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.920 Maybe maybe maybe the defensive coaches are saying, yeah, I 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:29.640 hear you playing with that lesser guy. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.000 I'm giving the guy that is really hard. 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.160 For me that I don't want to face. And so 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:35.839 it may be some of some of that. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:37.679 But it's just fascinating, and some of it's some of 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:39.920 it's happenstance, just how they ended up getting their guys. 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.040 But it is interesting to see the AFC and the 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.920 NFC literally poller opposites quarterbacks and coaches totally totally opposite. 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.640 So it'll be, uh, it'll be fascinating to see how 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.040 this thing shakes out. All right, Buckets time for Hot 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:56.240 or Not brought to you by with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage. 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.360 So looking at some guys who are hot right now, 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.760 let's let's switch over to the running back position. Coming 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.040 off of a week where you know, the weather gets worse, 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.600 we always talk about the run game, particularly as you're 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.440 getting ready to go into the postseason. And how about 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.280 a couple of these teams with the studs right here 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:13.480 at the very top. Sakuon Barkley goes for a buck 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:17.480 sixty seven thirty one, carries Derrick Henry twenty seven for 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.440 a buck forty seven. Absolute workhorses there at the very top. 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.840 Jayden Daniels at the quarterback position comes right in behind 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.000 him with one hundred and twenty seven yards. So all 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.480 three of those teams going to the postseason, all three 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.160 of those teams showing they can get it done on 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:32.960 the ground as we get into that time of year. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.120 Yeah, I think we're back at the point where we 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.400 talk about the value of running backs. I think running 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:41.520 backs are certainly valued, and I think what we're looking 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.400 for at the position. There was a time where we 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:45.960 were talking about the backpack committee situation, let's split the 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:48.719 load or whatever. I think teams are increasingly seeing the 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.560 value and having a legitimate workhorse. When we were in 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.680 the league at scals, that's what the league was about, 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:55.800 is about having the one guy that you be kind 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.679 of history wagon too, and he was going to kind 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:00.000 of carry you to the Promised Land. You in Baltimore 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.040 with Jamal Lewis. I spent time with the Carolina pans 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.199 Is when it was first Stephen Davis, then it was 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.520 Deshaun Fosterns, D'Angelo Williams. But it was a legitimate running 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.360 back that was kind of leading the way, not necessarily 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.440 the driving force of the offense, but you had a 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.840 bail cow. We're back to that and when you throw 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:17.560 in the Green Bay packs and what they were able 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.080 to get with Josh Jacobs. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.280 The running game is essential. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.160 Because what it does is it lightens the load on 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.040 the quarterback. It doesn't diminish the importance of the quarterback, 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:29.360 but it means that I don't need him to be 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:34.400 superman seventeen games out the year, maybe four or five games. 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:35.760 We have to put it in his hands and ask 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:36.880 him to do special stuff. 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.680 And it allows them to kind of keep control of 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.200 the game, preserve your quarterback to when you need him, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:46.400 and ultimately, a more balanced attack gives you an opportunity 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.600 to have more consistent winning play. 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:50.840 When we look at the way those teams are constructed. 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.800 The other one I should mention what a big game 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.240 on Sunday night or sorry. On Monday Night was Jamior 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.680 Gibbs with the Lions and Jamior Gibbs, Wow, that's somebody 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.920 like if you look at key players in the postseason, especially, 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:07.640 think about this. If they can beat Minnesota and get 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.600 the buy, you get to me like a guy like 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.720 that fresh legs, that's a key player for them, the 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:15.560 key player for that. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.720 And look, let's I remember when Jamior Gibbs runs across 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.040 the ticker that he is drafted for the Detroit lines 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.880 and just the collective when he was taking because no 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.720 one necessarily saw him coming off the board at that point. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:31.360 But Brad Gibbs and those guys understand the value in 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.960 a running back and we're seeing these very talented running 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:37.600 backs how they can change the offense. And we've said 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.360 the common denominator, Yeah, you can be a terrific guy 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.280 tote in the ball, but you also need to enhance 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:43.160 the passing game. 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:48.120 Jamiir Gibbs dubs Dad and that speed, that explosiveness that 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.240 he displays when he gets into open field tough to 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:54.040 deal with. And you're right if he gets a week 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.120 off and he has some fresh legs. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:59.560 In the tournament, Man Night nine, Yeah, speaking of the 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.240 running back position. And you're right, Brad Holmes, tip of 0:16:02.280 --> 0:16:04.480 the cap for the job that he's done. But a 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.000 couple interesting notes here on the AFC side of things. 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:09.840 It looks like Pacheco is gonna be fine once we 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.640 get to the playoffs, and that's a lot of rest 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.840 for him to recover because they can their rest. Everybody 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:16.440 really have a They're gonna have a it's gonna be 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.920 a rest versus rust conversation with the Chiefs because they 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.280 have that Christmas Day game. So then that gives them 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.120 extra rest to get to Week eighteen. Week eighteen not 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.400 gonna play anybody against Denver. Then you're gonna get to buy. 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.560 That is a long long layoff there, rest versus rust. 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.560 So now that you say to DJ, because of that, 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.720 and we know that Andy Reid always does really well 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.600 after buys, he might play as guys in Week eighteen. 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.600 He may play them a little longer than we think. 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:45.280 I don't know if it would be oh man, I 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:45.520 don't know. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.600 If I don't know if it'd be a Haad and 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:51.240 jacket game. That's a long time to be off, very 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:51.800 long time. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.040 I mean, that's a long time for the rust to 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.920 kind of sit in maybe maybe preseason game. 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.360 Maybe they played a half, maybe give them half work. 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.400 I don't think what we'll find out. I don't think so. 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:03.760 Man. 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.199 I think he thinks he's got a veteran group and 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.200 that at this point time just get off your feet. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.800 Get Chris Jones off his feet. Mahomes just had ankle stuff, like, 0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:16.159 just get those guys very, very fresh. So I mean, 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.080 that's gonna be fascinating. But my point was that Pacheco 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.399 will be back. The other thing is another team and 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:23.679 that I see every week with the Chargers. JK. Dobbins 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.200 makes a major difference for them, and the benefit of 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:28.840 having a running back get hurt in the second half 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:30.879 of the season. You get him back healthy, and then 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:32.719 I'm watching him, I'm like, man, he looks fresh as 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.280 a daisy out there running around. 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.040 I think we had this conversation. Maybe we had the conversation. 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:39.960 If they go to eighteen games, how you just have 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:43.280 some designated weeks where you're like, hey, look, week eleven, 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.960 you're off, Well, you're off. 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.040 This is a low management. We're gonna make sure we 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:48.640 get you back. 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:52.280 We're gonna bring you because there is something to having 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:55.280 your guys fresh and ready to go down the stretch. 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:59.080 And we can talk about changing your practice times and 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:02.280 how you go about those things. But a full week 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.560 of rest where you kind of relaxing, you're off your feet, 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.600 you come back recharged and ready to go. If you 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:10.240 have a mature team, you certainly can do it. And 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.480 so when you talk about the Kancity Chiefs, yeah, j 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:14.800 You're probably right, because if you sit down, you only 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.560 can sit down six to eight guys. You sit down, 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.480 Travis Gills, you sit down, Pat Mahomes, you sit down, 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.680