WEBVTT - In Case You Missed It: #36 - Walker Hayes 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:05.640 All right, welcome to episode thirty six The Bobby Cast. 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:11.879 Here this episode with Walker Hayes. Hey boy, hey buddy. So, uh, 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:14.000 I guess now we spent a lot of time together 0:00:14.040 --> 0:00:16.800 because we're on the road right now together and so 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:19.560 now I get to ask the questions that I don't 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:22.280 get to ask, like when we're just sitting down, because 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:24.400 the people want to know, like the real stuff, and 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:26.200 so they'll be stuff like some of the stuff I 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.800 wouldn't ask you, like we're just hanging out before show, 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.320 will like tell me your deepest fear a stuff like yeah, 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.680 I don't know. Yeah, we just talked. Yeah, we're just talked. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:39.040 But we're always like getting ready for stuff too, because 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.800 you always got go want to play. Um. So here's 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:43.839 the the whole. What we'll do is we're kind of 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.680 encapsulate you and then we'll just work back. So right now, 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:50.800 you just signed a record deal to monu My Records. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:57.440 What does that mean? Uh? My goodness. Uh. I mean 0:00:57.480 --> 0:01:00.960 it means I have another chance and having a career, 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:05.120 you know, as an artist, and and that being my 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.720 full time job. I mean, that's what it means to me. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.920 It might sound simple, but that's exactly what it means. 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.679 It means I have a career, a chance at a career, 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:18.520 a long lasting career. Again, yes again, another shot for sure. 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:21.760 So you talk about other shots and and just quickly 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:23.160 here because then I want to go all the way 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:27.640 back through it. But you've been on labels before. Yeah, 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.920 this is my third record deal. I've been in Nashville 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:34.959 twelve years and I Will signed a Mercury got dropped. 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:38.600 I'll signed a Capital got dropped, and uh, you know, 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:40.280 I didn't think I was going to get another chance 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.640 because you don't really get that many um here. Most 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.240 people don't get too and so this is my third. 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:53.080 The thing about Walker too is that I we didn't 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:56.760 know each other and I we first moved here. It 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.040 was when my co host, Amy's mom was sick and 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:02.320 I got the song and say, hey, this's got any Walker. 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.600 He's what the song called joy like Judy and so 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:15.240 because and I heard the songs, so we'd be choosing 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:20.880 to use it to make up as the name's mom 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.480 was fighting cancer and we were doing a fundraiser and 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.280 it wasn't for her mom. It was just we were, 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.000 you know, doing a pimp and joy thing. That's how 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:31.080 we met, and so he came and the song actually 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.480 was downloaded a bunch of times, you know that kind 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.680 of thing happened, and then I didn't see it for 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.280 a bit, and see, I don't see anybody first of all, 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.280 if i didn't see it for a bit. And then 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.440 I'm on YouTube and I do the thing on YouTube, 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.920 I find an artist and it'll go also recommended, also recommended, 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:51.720 also recommended. And so until I find music and artists 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:55.600 and I'll go to SoundCloud, I'll do whatever, and I'm 0:02:55.639 --> 0:03:04.400 going through and I see this song right here, and 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.639 I was like that. I was like, you know, that's 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:12.240 a joy, like dude together shaking, and I was like, 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.960 I don't know what this is, but it sounds like 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.080 nothing else. I remember taking that was like, I sounds 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:24.560 like nothing else even stay. So I played it on 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.639 the radulo the next morning and I was like, I 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.320 was like this, you just hear something that it strikes 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:31.959 you oddly. And then from there I just started to 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:33.520 play all your stuff on the air because I sit 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:35.080 there and I'll be like, oh, you think that's good. 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:40.640 You got to hear this one star. I was like, 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.880 my favorite song is a comedian is too bad? Being fun. 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.560 So all these songs as I would hear them, I 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:49.680 would be like, this is not like anything I'm hearing 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:51.200 right now. I'm period. And I would talk to my 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:55.120 friends like Dan Smarts from Dan and Shay, Him and 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.840 I talked about music a lot, and I was like this, Walker, hey, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:02.640 stuff is like next level, like cerebral type stuff. And 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:04.400 I don't even think Aboudy even notices it right now, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.160 and he's like, well, you know, we talked about it. 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:08.360 Then you end up going on tour with them. Now 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.400 you're on tour with me, and it's like, that's where 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:13.960 we are right now. So that's where, That's where you are. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:15.920 What's where we're gonna come back to. But now I 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:17.760 whant to go back to the very beginning. So you 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.599 talk about you came to Nashville. You came to Nashville. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.760 How old were you when you came to Nashville twenty 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:27.159 let's see seven four? You go to school and study music. 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.280 I went to college and I did eventually change my 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:35.000 major to piano. I graduated with a degree in music 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.640 with an emphasis on piano. You're a good piano player, 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.880 are you? Are you a piano player? Ye? Sit down 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:43.400 at the piano and people be like, oh, that guy 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.279 could play piano. I could, Um, you know, I could. 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.240 I could play with the songs, my songs, you know, 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:50.680 I could play for myself. I had to do a 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.720 lot of classical stuff, you know, obviously to graduate. But 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:55.800 when I moved to Nashville, are you saying backing a 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:57.640 little bit like like a golfer would be like, I'm 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.640 not that good and he no, No, I mean honestly, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.320 I didn't. I didn't. I didn't really play piano until 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.520 college and I met you know, a met a professor 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:06.880 and I said, can I finish this on time? So 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:10.719 I got pretty proficient, you know, while I was in college. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:12.640 It's a lot of muscle memory and a lot of 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.440 cool stuff I learned. But now I could just cord 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.640 around kind of like I'm as good at piano as 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:22.480 I am a guitar. Songs. You knew the guitar then too, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:27.039 the right, Yeah, well you musical through like elementary school, 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:28.920 high school. You're growing up. My wife and I we 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.800 actually met in a in a school play, you know, 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.040 So I did that kind of stuff school theater and 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:39.280 sang in choirs and things like that. Music really, um, 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:42.560 my dad was a music minister before he started selling 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.920 real estate in Alabama. Yeah, in Alabama, and so uh yeah, 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:48.720 I mean he kind of gave me that music bug. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.240 I didn't really chase it as like a dream, you know, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.080 a job or anything like that. Then definitely didn't even 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.680 do that. Out of college. I went to kind of 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.160 go work for him. So when you finished, well you 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:02.520 went to work for your dad? Was yeah. So I 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.000 finished school, got my real estate license, and I got 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.920 engaged to Laney. You know, we've been dating on and 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.920 off for a bazillion years. And uh, that was my plan. 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.200 That was my answer to her her dad, you know, 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.560 what are you gonna do? And it was worked for 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:20.800 my dad, and uh, my dad encouraged me to go 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:24.560 play at a bar. It's called Mobile Yacht Club off 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.680 a Dolphin Island Parkway in Mobile, and he kept encouraging 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.920 me to do that. He thought it was funny kind 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.320 of how I would mimic people. I knew like a 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:34.320 couple of songs on the guitar and would play around 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:36.320 at the house. And he wanted me to do it, 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.080 and I didn't want to do because I had stage 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.919 fright that scared me to death, you know, getting up 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:45.520 in front of people and singing, and uh, finally I said, Dad, 0:06:45.560 --> 0:06:48.680 I'll do this if you'll leave me alone you know 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.040 about it, and stop asking me to do it. And 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.720 I went up there on a Friday night, sang some 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.400 songs and pretty much changed changed my mind about life. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:06:59.919 So you went and you performed. You were like, all right, 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.680 that's what I want to do it. I mean, crazy 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.280 whim called Laney, So we're moving. Then I had to 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.760 tell her parents really, and um, they weren't. You weren't 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:15.880 too excited. I wouldn't be either. Yeah, alright, two things. 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I mean I played, had such 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.840 a great time. I'm called Laney. So I don't want 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.120 to move to Nashville to sing? That was it? So 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.360 I want to go he uh, you know, I think 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:26.959 she was pretty adventurous. You know at the time we 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:31.120 were kids excited about you know, getting out of town. Um, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.080 she was with it. I mean, oddly enough, she there 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:37.079 was no second guessing on her part. She was ready 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.920 to go. And so what what was your style back then? 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.280 So my style back then? I remember two songs that 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.760 I played. One was h sitting on the dock of 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:51.480 the bay, and then Uh, didn't doubIe Gray drift Away? Yeah, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:55.520 drift I guess drift Away, And uh I only played 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.520 like five songs. I just played him over and over 0:09:57.840 --> 0:09:59.880 and um so yeah, I mean I was just gonna 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.439 home up and singing. You know, moved to Nashville, try 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:04.000 to be a rock star. Do you think you're gonna 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:06.559 make it? Yeah? I did. I was dumb enough to 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.000 to be like, yeah, I'm gonna go, you know, and 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:11.520 figure this out, be famous. I mean I knew nobody. 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.959 We had a great time picking out our apartment, um 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.920 and stuff like that. Honestly, meeting with their parents, they 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:22.400 were really frightened and just thought I was nuts. You know, 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.839 this was not This was on such a whim and 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:29.120 the security that I had, you know, in Mobile made 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.640 a lot more sense to them, and um so yeah, 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.920 I mean, man, we just found an apartment, got married, 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.120 and drove up here. So you move here. And what 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:39.839 does one do when you don't know anybody in a 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.640 town like Nashville and you want to make music, Like, 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.640 what's the first step? You go outside? And man, I mean, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:47.439 as cliche as it sounds, the absolute first thing I 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.719 did was go sign up for an open mic night 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.640 at the Bluebird. I was I don't remember exactly what 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.000 number I chose, you know, to get selected that night. 0:10:57.120 --> 0:10:58.880 But so you played the first night you went. I 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.920 came on a Monday night. It stood in line, got selected. 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.240 Uh they they were about to call my name, but 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.120 I realized that everybody in there was playing songs that 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:11.880 they had written, and I showed up to play cover. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:14.520 So we left and then I came back the next 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.040 Monday with a couple of songs that I wrote that 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.000 week and then performed. And it was the same rush. 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:24.040 You know. So the first time you went, you end 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.960 up not playing. Well, I check it out. I wasn't 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:29.280 about to get up and play that. I was gonna 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.600 play drift away. Everybody give me the bet boy free 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:38.360 enough if you write that something I wrote. So the 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:40.560 first time you don't do it, the second time you're going, 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.040 you do? What did you play? What song? You remember? 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.600 I do? I remember? I played a song about as 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.080 short of a time period as we have been married. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.559 I learned very quickly that when you bring up the 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:54.280 in laws that your significant other gets really pissed, and 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.079 so I wrote a song about that, and it was 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.679 kind of a joke. You know, a funny song and 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.880 uh on remember the title of it. And I played too, 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.000 and I just remember the crowd reacting. You know, they laughed, 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:07.600 they had a great time. I mean, they went nuts. 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:10.040 It's a real supportive crowd at the blue Bergs. They're 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.600 there to hear the writer performing their songs, so they 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.839 went nuts. I mean, it wasn't I didn't like get 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:18.280 a deal or anything quick. You know, did you feel 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.599 like after that night though, that you had submitted a 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.760 little more in your head, like I can do this. Uh? 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:27.400 I didn't really think about whether I could or not. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.719 I just did, you know what I'm saying. And I 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:33.680 also it was like a drug. I mean I honestly, 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.000 But since then, I haven't stopped writing songs. It's just 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.720 I fell in love with that, that conceiving the idea, 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.000 putting it together, playing it for somebody, getting their reaction, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.480 moving on to the next one. You know, my favorite 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.240 song is always the one I'm working on right now, 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.079 And that's kind of how I've been since then. It 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:59.160 just it pretty much consumes my life and has since then. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:01.600 So how long until you get and I'm assuming you're 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:03.520 getting a publishing deal first, which is what happened to 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.320 get there? They pay you to write songs? How long 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.439 did it take from you playing that bluebird til you 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.120 getting a publish and deal? So I had a I 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:13.000 had a day job. I booked motivational speakers at Premier 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:17.160 Speakers Bureau, Uh in Franklin, Like what motivational speakers ran 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.720 through in Franklin. A lot of right wing conservatives, old 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.960 Steelers player Rocky Blyer, a couple of authors, um, Oliver 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:29.199 North there, Sean Hannity. We booked them. Uh some of 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:34.640 those were exclusive. Um sorry again, trying to get rid 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:38.959 of that tick. But yeah, just I booked them and 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.760 uh lost, actually lost my job in a year. And 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.040 then I got a pub deal. So it took me 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.480 a year and a couple of months to secure a 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.839 pub deal. So in that year, you're just writing and 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:51.800 singing songs to people are going, hey, check it out. 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.559 I know in that year I was working, you know 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.200 that was none, none to five. My clientele was West 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.480 Coast event planners. So I got to show up a 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:03.240 little bit later and stay a little longer. But I 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.719 was writing songs while I was working, you know, on 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:08.960 my computer, just loading it up, and yeah, I mean 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.839 playing open mic nights anybody could I could ever get 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.520 my songs in front of Obviously I was trying to 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.319 do that, playing all the local um you know songwriter 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.960 nights that I could and um yeah, I wasn't really 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.840 comparing myself to other people. I just loved, Like I said, 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:29.440 I loved, loved, loved writing, I mean obsessed with writing. 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.080 So you're right, and you start to get paid to write, 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:37.160 and what did you What were your first cut? Shoot? Man, 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.840 I mean my my first pub deal actually got me 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.520 a record deal first. I mean I didn't get a cut. 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.880 So your pub deal got your record deal first? Is 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.240 this the key Thurban demo story? No, that's that's capital. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.520 That's the second deal. The first pub deal I ever 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.080 got was from a neighbor heard me messing around on 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.440 the porch. He said, man, I really like what you do. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:00.800 I'm gonna take you into douce you to two or 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.520 three people. He brought me into town. I met two 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:07.400 big time producers neighbor where Franklin and Franklin. Here's your 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:09.560 playing on your porch. Here's me on the porch. Yeah, 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.680 He's like, dude, I really love your voice. Did you 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.640 did you write that? I'm like, yeah, you want to 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.880 hear some more. You know, I wrote a song about 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.520 his kid and whose name is Hogan, which that was 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.600 a business move right there. I was like, dude, if 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.680 I write song by his kid, really, you know, hoo 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.560 me up. So he takes me into town, introduced me 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:30.720 to to introduced me to Scott Hendricks, David Malloy and 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:34.320 a guy named Christie de Napoli. And uh, Christie wanted 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.600 to sign me to a pub deal. The other two 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.920 wanted to maybe cut some sides and do the shoppy 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:42.280 thingy and I wasn't really ready for that. I just 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.680 wanted to write, you know, really bad. I wanted to 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.040 get paid to write songs. Uh. And at that time 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:49.640 I only had one kid, so I didn't have to 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.680 make that much money. Um. And so anyway, Christie sign 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:57.000 me under a guy named Buddy Killing who's gone now 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.960 but great first publisher to have learned a lot from 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:03.360 that guy. And Alison Jones. I know this is the industry, 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:07.520 but signed me at Mercury and so you get a 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.600 publishing deal and a record deal basically at the same time. Well, 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.840 I got a pub deal and then we we worked 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.200 on it, you know, and he had cut some sides 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.280 there and then they shot me and then got me, 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:20.400 got me my first record development deal. So when you 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.440 get signed to a development deal, what do they start 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.359 doing with you? What do they develop? So the development 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:30.240 deal basically got me James Stroud, great producer. He cut 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.200 some sides on me. So what we did is just 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.840 accumulate songs, kept writing for a little while, Uh, chose 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.840 the best ones, went in the studio, caught him with 0:16:38.880 --> 0:16:41.800 an excellent band. So that was my first experience with that, 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.920 you know, And of course we came home with five songs. 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.560 I thought I was gonna be Garth Brooks. I sounded 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:51.280 like him. That sounded better than Now I was not 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.080 Garth Brooks. I I had some great stuff, you know, 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:56.640 looking back, I think some of those sides were good. 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.280 But uh, there was a falling out within the company 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.480 and it wasn't long until I was off that that 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.159 labeled mean that that deal expired pretty quick. So you're on, 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.120 did you put a record on? I didn't. I cut 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:15.840 five sides, literally celebrated the cutting my first five songs. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.439 You cut five songs, I'm going I were beside myself 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.920 and stuff sounds so great. Uh, we finished those in 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.600 a December. I got a call in January saying that, uh, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.880 James Stroud was gone from the label and that they 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:32.720 he had parted with co you know, head People and 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.560 Alison Jones was leaving and I wasn't. I wasn't on 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.080 the label anymore. But the label stayed, label stayed. Yeah, 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.879 you remever put out a single? I never put out 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:46.320 a single. Did you tell the publishing deal? You still writing, 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.119 still writing, and I still still still trying to get 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.000 outside cuts, but did not get outside cuts? So you 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.280 have to go to another try to get how long 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.480 until you get signed to a different label. So after 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:02.720 that it took me to two years to get another label. 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.320 This when Urban, here's your This is when Autumn House, 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.359 a friend of mine, pitched the song for Keith Urban. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.960 Keith Urban did not take the song, but the A 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:17.720 and R rep at Capital Autumn House said, I like 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.240 this guy singing, I like this writing style. You know 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.320 who is this kid? And uh, they said it's Walker Hayes, 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:28.239 you know. And within a couple of months I had 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:30.440 a deal in Capital. A lot of my deals came 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.359 pretty quick. You know, deals are hard to get. But 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:36.520 my first two just kind of fell into my lap. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.080 I mean if they just kind of came out of 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.760 nowhere for me. So you get a deal, he sort 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:44.960 of cut songs again, or to use your old songs. Oh? Man, 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.359 when I got deal at Capital, I was writing you 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.000 go through the producer search. You know. I was on 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:55.399 Capitol two years probably before we even decided, you know, 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:57.800 to try a single. You've been slacking for two years 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:00.399 before you put a song out. Yeah, yeah, I've been 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.880 a Capital around that time. The frustrating Yeah it was, yeah, 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:07.000 it was. I mean we were looking for the right producer. 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.840 We tried some, we cut some. They just didn't didn't 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:14.639 blow our minds, you know. So then you have your 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:16.840 first song. What's your first single? My first single was 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:22.320 pants all right, she can but she came round the shoes. 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:30.480 She can crack a wheel like Indie Yana John, she can't. 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:40.800 I can't take off. I like that. I like that. 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.040 Look you're giving the body? Do you write that? I did? 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.680 I wrote it for my wife. Gives the colders, makes 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.600 of plans had woman's with When you hear the song, now, 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.440 what do you think why? I don't know, man, you know, 0:19:55.560 --> 0:20:00.760 I just hear it and Uh, it's just doesn't sound 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.480 you know, it doesn't sound that great. I just don't 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:05.640 I don't hear it like I did then. And when 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.280 when I heard it then, I just yeah, I just 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:13.520 thought this is gonna be amazing, And um, I don't know, 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:16.680 I just hear it now and it just the maybe 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:18.600 I've gotten better at writing, you know, and I can 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:22.600 just see the holes in there. But yeah, I career 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:31.800 just like hearing myself on a answering machine. Thanks, So, 0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.440 how the sing will do? I have no idea. The 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:39.040 song was added heavily, you know, right off the bat, 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.960 and uh, you know, I saw success coming my way 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.720 quick and uh then it just hit a wall and 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.320 uh some people were slow to pick it up, and 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:54.440 it went to thirty eight and uh eventually, um, you know, 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:58.639 Mike Dungan and Capital pulled it and they decided to 0:20:58.720 --> 0:21:01.840 go with another one shortly after that. What song was? 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:03.840 After that one? They went with a song called wild 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.920 Wait for Summer and it did not do um as 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:10.080 well those pants. If you have two singles that didn't work, 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:12.239 did they drop you or they go, We're gonna work 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.520 on some other stuff. So we we chilled out for 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:16.600 a long time. You know, I got put on the 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:21.080 back burner, and uh I sat for a long long time. 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:25.119 And man, honestly, just to give Capital some credit, I 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:29.240 mean they believed, I mean, they believed hardcore and and 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.879 they stuck their neck out for me. Um, I didn't 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.440 fully understand, you know, the need for the machine. I 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:38.760 didn't know how the bids really worked, you know at 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.880 that time, you know, there was a little bit of arrogance. 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:46.439 I'm not the most coachable human being on the planet, 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:49.800 and that kind of you know, shot me in the 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.680 foot back then. But yeah, we sat for a long time. 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:57.080 I continue to just right and write and try to 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:01.840 give them that one. You know that they felt confident, 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:04.480 you know, if you're gonna go three deep, a third one, 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.200 I mean that's your hail Mary right there, you know, 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:11.040 especially at the first two have flopped. Um So I 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:13.600 fought and fought, you know, to write and and to 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:18.399 get that that song, the one, and man just couldn't 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:24.880 find it, and you know, eventually got dropped. And uh yeah, 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:26.920 I mean that was that was the beginning of some 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:31.000 dark some dark times right there. So you get dropped. Ever, 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:34.040 your second label, what year was that, you know, let's 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:38.520 see it's two thimes, seventies six, probably fourteen, getting fourteen, 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.000 So you get dropped in two thousand and fourteen, So 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:45.680 what do you do well at that period? I think 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:49.160 I have four kids, so I'm still not I'm still 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:53.920 not a truly buried in final financial woes. But I 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.600 had a pub deal, you know, and still my my publishers. 0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:00.600 That's one thing that's that I've always had a pub deal, 0:23:01.119 --> 0:23:04.520 publishers that believe that I can get outside cuts, you know. 0:23:04.640 --> 0:23:08.359 So at that time I didn't. I wouldn't say I 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.600 just shut the artist thing down, but I wrote, man, 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:14.560 I aimed and aimed to get outside cuts. You know. 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.959 I wanted outside country cuts. I wanted these mainstream artists, 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.879 uh to to you know, I just knew somebody was 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:23.880 gonna cut one of my songs are gonna be huge. 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:28.800 Kind of solidified me a spot in that writer community. 0:23:29.119 --> 0:23:33.200 And uh, I eventually did get a cut um from 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:37.160 Rodney Atkins. Uh he cut one of my songs called 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:40.840 Touching Feet, and uh it was you know, it was 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:45.159 a great motivation, you know, to keep on writing and 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:48.879 didn't end up being a single. But okay, what about 0:23:48.920 --> 0:23:58.000 this one? I kind of forgot about love you repeat. 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.840 That's right, Gus too, right, Yeah, that was the So 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.040 that was when he cut on the next album, and 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.000 that was ended up being his single. Yeah, I think 0:24:09.040 --> 0:24:14.720 I killed his career. No, you didn't, Squeez didn't know. 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:18.479 He uh. Man, Roddy's a great guy and he believed 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:20.879 in some of my songs. And man, even though you know, 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.560 I had several of those types of songs that that 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:25.920 would get cut and maybe they weren't the single the 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.720 big the Big Dog on the record, But when you 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:32.040 get those, man, it just kind of tells you. It's 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:35.560 like it's like a whisper saying, hey, stick around, It's 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:37.840 all right, you're here for a reason. What about this 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:41.080 here cole Forth song Dirty Side Dude, I love this song. 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:44.680 This is my jams. You're right it Yeah, Yeah, he 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:54.320 featured me dirty time, but if he side I love 0:24:54.560 --> 0:25:07.360 good Dirty side side? You're looking for sad I loved. 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:09.440 I didn't know you can dance like I got it? 0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:24.080 So you together. Yeah, I'm super appreciate it. They featured me. 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:26.600 I'm talking about a perfect girl. Man, I'm gonna tell 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:29.560 you that everyway stopped looking at Magazine's head on out. 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:31.960 So you're writing. You're out, you don't have artists, y'll 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.680 what you probably still want, even though you still want 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:38.360 to be the artist, but you do have you want 0:25:38.400 --> 0:25:40.080 to be the writer. You're talking about having dark times 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:43.720 like your mind just like where did I tell you what? 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:49.320 The darkest period I ever experienced here in Nashville was 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:51.879 past these cuts. You know, you get a couple of cuts, 0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.240 and I'm still I'm not able to I mean, I'm 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.840 barely supporting us, you know what I'm saying. No, no, 0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.520 the money is not just rolling in from from these 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:03.159 types of cuts. I'm not having hit singles, which is 0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:05.840 kind of what you gotta have, you know, nowadays to 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:08.560 to to thrive as a writer. You gonna have one 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:11.440 every now and then. Um, I'm loving what I'm doing. 0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:14.120 I mean, I feel like I'm getting better and better 0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:17.480 and so much closer to dial in it in, you know, 0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:21.240 with with what artists need and what they want and 0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:24.800 getting those outside cuts. But I'm playing at Puckets boat 0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:29.520 House and money gets real tight. I'm talking seriously tight, 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.520 and uh, I don't really like to ask for help. 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:36.200 And I had toyed with, you know, getting kind of 0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:40.119 a second gig, and I remember this this night, I 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:44.560 will never forget. I'm playing Puckets boat House, which, by 0:26:44.560 --> 0:26:48.160 the way, it's like a restaurant and a stage for people. 0:26:48.200 --> 0:26:51.000 I um just so that it's like a very famous 0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:55.280 Nashville Southern food restaurant and there's a stage, right, And 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.359 so what I what I was doing is, you know, 0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:59.120 I didn't have artists deal, but I want to keep 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:03.439 performing so that that the Andy Marshall Puckets so always 0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:05.960 so gracious to me giving me a gig, and I'm 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.320 playing for tips, and what I would do is play 0:27:08.359 --> 0:27:11.200 an hour and then host an open mic night just 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:13.840 for the community. I wanted to meet new writers and 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.720 stuff and kind of do what people did for me 0:27:17.280 --> 0:27:20.120 in my first couple of years here. So one night, 0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:25.159 this guy comes and his name is Nick Candre, and uh, 0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:29.560 sweet sweet guy comes up, wants to play at the 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:32.360 open mic night. And he just thinks, you know, he's 0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:36.119 he's heard my songs on Rodney, my stuff on Colt. 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.280 He thinks I'm like Elvis, you know, and he's just 0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.320 treating me like it too, and he and he mentions 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.119 at one point in the night that he worked at 0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:48.040 the tire center at Costco, and I was looking for 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:51.800 a job at night so I could continue writing during 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:55.680 the day, and so it was just a humbling moment 0:27:56.640 --> 0:28:00.520 to kind of be like, Hey, while you're getting my autograph, 0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:04.280 do you know any you know, is there any openings 0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.720 at Costco? You know, are they looking for people that 0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.920 stock stuff overnight and stuff? And he hooked me up 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.760 and that's how I got a job at Costco. But 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:15.560 it was just I mean, I don't know if embarrassing 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.240 is the word, but you know, it was just it 0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:21.520 was an interesting moment that he saw me as kind 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:24.480 of like an influence on him musically, and I was 0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:28.080 so happy, you know, to meet me. And I was like, hey, 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:31.200 uh I kind of need a job, you know, I 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:34.000 need some help. Can you can you hook me up? 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.840 And uh so that was that that was a low 0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:41.960 a low point for me. Um, kind of having to 0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:45.080 ask for help from that guy. Do you feel like 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.240 he learned from it and appreciate it even more afterward? 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:54.600 Just through that experience with cost experience, everything everything that 0:28:54.840 --> 0:28:57.400 is connecting with people now is pretty much about that 0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:03.320 experience in my life. So yes, um, it's been truly beneficial. Um, 0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:08.360 I got a great perspective. Uh you know and what matters, 0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.960 you know, what matter in life. That's kind of what 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.120 Leela Stars is about. You know, I did a lot 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:18.400 of I did a lot of I don't know what 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:22.120 you say, like not soul searching, but you know, we 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:36.560 uh interesting songs and it's just a roof from about daughter. Yeah. Yeah, 0:29:36.640 --> 0:29:39.960 that song is about the thumb tacks that she gave 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.760 me to hold up the roof of my Honda that 0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:45.040 I had at the time, and when my roof was 0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:47.960 coming down, I lost it and I was just crazy 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.520 at that point in my life. I was drinking a 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.920 time just to kind of cut the edge off the heaviness, 0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:59.080 um and the burdens and stuff that I that was 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.960 kind of up against with wanting to still chase my dream, 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:06.040 kind of thinking I was nuts um. Pretty much to 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.680 let everybody looking at us from the outside, I probably 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.920 thought I was nuts too. Um. You know, I had 0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.320 all the kids and I was still trying to do 0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:16.560 that to take care of them when I could have 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:19.200 you know, done a lot of other things and made 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:21.640 a whole lot of sense, you know, to take care 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:24.680 of them. But yeah, Little the Stars is about those 0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.200 thumb tacks that she she let me borrow, and I 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:32.200 was really bummed and frustrated at the time the roof 0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:33.840 coming out in my car. I was one of those 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:36.480 moments in your life where you're looking up and you're like, 0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.960 you gotta be kidding me, you know, like I need 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:44.360 one freaking more thing unit to carry right now. And uh, 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.200 one morning, when I was about to clock in at Costco, 0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.480 I looked up and I saw those thumb tacks and 0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:54.959 it just reminded me. Well, first I thought of her 0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:58.640 face and just her smile and how much fun she 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:03.120 had putting those up, and uh, she just thought they're awesome. 0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:06.240 You know, they made the car look incredible, And it 0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:09.160 was just an interesting perspective at that time to remember, Hey, 0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.120 I got healthy kids, I do have a job. I 0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.080 have to you know what I mean. And I'm still 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:20.280 able to write. My wife never was unhappy, you know. 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.880 I was really the only one, uh that was unhappy. Um. 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.000 And so that was a that was a great moment 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:30.120 um and and got a cool song out of it. 0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:32.440 So you were drinking a lot. You don't drink it 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:35.240 all now, so so you must be drinking a lot. 0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.600 I have to stop, man, I was, I mean, we want, 0:31:40.640 --> 0:31:42.800 we want to talk about numbers. I mean I was like, 0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.600 I mean, I was drinking from I was drunk at Costco. Um. 0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:51.000 You know, obviously I was doing my work, um, working hard, 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.480 but I mean I was, I was drinking on on 0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.160 breaks at Costco. You know, I go to the parking lot, 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:01.320 you know, and do that leave, go do a show 0:32:01.360 --> 0:32:04.400 with the Bluebird. You know, they were hiring me for shows. 0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:07.040 I was still able to get some work out of them. Um. 0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:10.320 I drink before him, drinking after him, drink while I wrote, 0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:17.760 drive home, drink because you're sad man. Uh yeah, I 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.280 think you know, I think I was just uh, I 0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:25.560 just didn't want to face not making it, you know, 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.320 not not being able to to take care of everybody. 0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.400 You know. It's it's almost like when you're drunk. Uh, 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:35.720 those things aren't as heavy, you know, they don't matter, 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:39.800 I guess, and um, drinking a little bit out of 0:32:40.680 --> 0:32:45.600 just insecurity and fear, you know, I guess, uh, you know, 0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:48.520 just scared. What was the point where you were like, Okay, 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:51.040 I gotta I gotta chill, dude. Me Quitting is the 0:32:51.120 --> 0:32:54.200 weirdest story, I don't, you know. Hopefully at some point 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:55.920 it will make sense where I could kind of help 0:32:56.000 --> 0:33:00.920 other people and and and and and explain it, but honestly, 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.320 I mean I think I was. I think my body 0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.600 just said to my brain, you have to you have 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.760 to quit. You know, we're working and drinking that much. 0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:14.240 I woke up on a Saturday. I remember that as 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:18.640 in October football game day, me and football. Not drinking 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.080 just didn't ever happen. That hadn't happened since I was 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:24.760 probably like fifteen, I don't know, something crazy like that. 0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:28.000 And I just didn't drink one Saturday. And I don't 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.880 even know why. I didn't like wake up and say, man, 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:35.800 I gotta stop. I just woke up, didn't drink that day. Um, 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:38.920 didn't drink on Sunday. A couple of days turned into 0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:42.960 a week, you know, and then it became this like 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.120 challenge where it was like I've gone this far, I 0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:50.720 want to go backwards, you know. And I also kind 0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.640 of had a little sobriety high. You know, when you 0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:57.680 quit drinking you've been drinking that much, your body feels 0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:02.160 really really good once it gets over, um, you know, 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:05.920 not craving just to drink with with all your might. 0:34:06.560 --> 0:34:11.120 But so yeah, now I'm like that was two octobers ago, 0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.320 so I'm a year and almost a half. The funny 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.560 thing is I don't drink. Guy there, Walker doesn't drink. 0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:20.560 And when we go on tour, beer like the writers 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:24.239 like full of beer and around it just sits there. 0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.680 It's like, Walker, I know you don't drink, but if 0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:29.840 you know anybody that wants beer, they can have it. 0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:33.120 Send Nikita end up drinking some of it. Show a 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.520 little Nikita. So okay, tell me about this song here, 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:41.680 all right, this one, let's play. Let's see, man, I 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:43.600 got all of them. It's like asking me which kid 0:34:43.640 --> 0:34:46.440 I'd like to do here? Talk about this one beer 0:34:46.800 --> 0:34:51.200 in the fridge. I quit drinking. The reason I want 0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:54.520 to get drunk because I played on the radio. I 0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:56.759 was like, I was moved by the song. Yeah, I 0:34:56.840 --> 0:35:01.440 still account for the cups when I'm driving around town 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.840 and I'm still not quite sure what to do with 0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:09.440 my hands. It's in a crowd. There's a lot I 0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:15.040 can't remember, and a lot I can't get one silver 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:18.480 bulling in the chamber. And I don't play rush rule 0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:26.759 it without being the friend. Last of twelves, soul surviving, 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.720 but my last all not the back of the bottom 0:35:30.120 --> 0:35:33.440 how ruled that all It's gonna be so real man. Uh, 0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:38.080 it just touches on a lot of you know, fears, 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:42.160 insecurities that I deal with. And like you know, you're asking, 0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:45.800 you know, why were you drinking that much? Uh? You 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:49.520 know my wife has never never threatened to leave me, 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:55.640 but she probably should have several times you know in 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.640 those in those in that time period, you know, when 0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:03.880 I was drinking that much and uh there you know 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:07.719 there was there's so many lines in that song the front. 0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:11.560 My one song line, one lyric in that song that 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:15.239 I feel like describes me and something that I that 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.360 I deal with is the first one about ranting to 0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:21.560 your mama, church, Mama, praying for you is now well, 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:25.040 like I'm just I just care what people think, you know, 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.800 and I and I and I in my own worst 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:32.520 critic as well. And drinking, uh made me care less. 0:36:33.040 --> 0:36:36.520 You know that was one positive about drinking. You know 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:38.480 obviously don't you don't need to drink to do that. 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:44.719 But you know, I I feel pressure, you know, to 0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:49.840 to be a certain just I don't know, to succeed, 0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:53.600 you know, and uh, prem yourself for myself. But but 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:55.799 you know, like I said, when I told Lady's parents 0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.440 we were coming here. I feel the eyes, you know, 0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:01.759 I feel the fill, people saying, are you crazy, You're 0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:03.680 not gonna make it, You're not good enough. You know 0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:06.239 you're not this, And I don't want to believe them, 0:37:06.440 --> 0:37:08.440 but I kind of do. And when I'm drinking, I 0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.279 definitely don't. I don't care what they think. Um, but 0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:14.200 that song is so true, you know the line about 0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:17.759 the hands. I mean, dude, the first show that I 0:37:17.920 --> 0:37:23.640 played without a beer, I just felt completely naked. I mean, 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:28.080 I've never felt stupider in my life because, you know, 0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.680 so many years of strumming that last chord and reaching 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.840 for that beer. I was to a point where just 0:37:35.680 --> 0:37:38.560 holding a beer before I even opened the thing it 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:42.680 gave it made me feel a sense of security. You know. 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:45.480 That's kind of where I was with drinking. But yeah, 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:49.239 it's true. I mean, um, but again I will say, 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.680 I mean, Lenny, it's not true. I didn't lose you know, 0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:56.720 my wife, but uh, you know, she saved many tears, 0:37:57.719 --> 0:37:59.560 you know, talking to me about it, and I was 0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:03.040 at a went where I admitted, you know, she would 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:06.560 say things like she didn't say things anymore like do 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:09.920 you have a problem. I would admit I wasn't in denial. 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:11.800 At the point when I quit, I said, I do 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.800 have a problem, and I can't. I'm not gonna go 0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:18.920 without it. You know, I need this right now for me, 0:38:19.120 --> 0:38:22.040 you know, I want to move over to the comedian. Yeah, 0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:29.080 your dark songs like resonate with me, like hardcore, like 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.600 being in the fridge. You know, I come from a 0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.279 family of addicts and alcoholics. And I was like, damn, 0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.279 ma I just I just I feel the honesty in 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:39.160 these songs um with the comedian, which I'm gonna play 0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:44.320 right here. It's too bad. Being funny and being happy. 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:49.239 He ain't the same thing. It ain't the same thing. 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.719 It's so sad some of the onliest hearts in the 0:38:54.840 --> 0:39:01.000 crowd of the most enter thing. Such a strange he 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:04.640 is to the ones who make and laugh to keep 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:08.000 themselves from crying, gears to the ones who make is 0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:13.400 laugh to keep themselves from cry. Like I heard this 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:19.239 song and it's tell you it's like it can and 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:24.880 I have issues like that, like where it's you know, 0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:28.359 I want to make people laugh so they can't see 0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:30.960 how sad. And it's the process that I've been dealing 0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:34.400 with for a long time, and it's that's the front 0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:37.839 you try to people laugh, That's where you find love. 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:40.600 That's where I always was able to find love. Like 0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:42.640 let maybe the guy that make people laugh, because that's 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:45.719 I'll find the love from that. I have trouble accepting love, 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:47.880 of trouble giving love just from the environment. You know, 0:39:47.960 --> 0:39:49.960 you and I talking about a nature or nurture, like 0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:52.759 we have that conversation like away from stuff, and you know, 0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.680 for me, I think it was definitely nurture the love thing. 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:57.600 And I heard that song, I was like, dear God, 0:39:57.640 --> 0:39:59.719 are you writing songs from my brain? Like every song 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.640 he would sing, I'll be like God. So the comedian 0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:05.279 is that about a front of your specifically? So with 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:07.759 high school with them? Yeah, it's about a friend I 0:40:07.880 --> 0:40:12.200 grew up with and he did not, uh commit suicide. Hey, 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.120 but he died at an early age. And um he 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:19.680 was that guy, uh you know, just hilarious. Um, but 0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.560 did have issues, you know, and as we all do. 0:40:22.840 --> 0:40:26.600 You know, I think so many people can can relate 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:29.359 with that song. You know. It's that we all try 0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:32.440 to find that affirmation. That's never really enough, but it 0:40:32.600 --> 0:40:37.919 sure helps, you know, it doesn't sustain any any long 0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:42.400 term healing or fix us. You know, it's like drinking 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:44.799 a beer. And it does make me feel good immediately, 0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:48.080 you know, and as does me performing on stage and 0:40:48.160 --> 0:40:50.480 getting that laughing. It makes me feel like I just 0:40:50.600 --> 0:40:53.480 jumped out of a plane. You know. But when you 0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:55.720 get back in your green room and you all by yourself, 0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:58.800 all the real stuff comes back, you know, when you 0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:02.160 gotta do it again. But yeah, that that song. I'm 0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:06.600 so glad a guy named Matt Jenkins and Josh Jenkins 0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:09.759 they wrote it with me, and they were insistent that 0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:13.879 that we that we do that song together, and I'm 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.000 glad you appreciate it. I'm glad people. Yeah, that's like 0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:18.480 and and we'll get to the more of beat stuff 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.120 because you have a sound that is not like anyone else. 0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.319 But I just you know, it's my podcast. I told 0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:25.600 about whatever I want. So those are like, those are 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:28.640 the songs that hit me hard. And I was just like, okay, 0:41:28.680 --> 0:41:31.239 he's like speed songs a lot of times don't speak 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:35.040 in real human words anymore. And when you do feel 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:37.160 something out then in regardless of sonically what it sounds like, 0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:41.239 it being authentic still cuts through no matter what's behind it? 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:44.720 Something for real still cuts through regardless of the format 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:48.320 the instruments, like realness cuts through. And so that's what 0:41:48.400 --> 0:41:53.439 I felt from like stars and the Comedian and beer 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:56.680 in the fridge, and but then you know, you got 0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:02.439 stuff like break the inner back, a little bit of shake, 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:06.040 shake a little bit, how did your dog? You make? 0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:09.120 All the stuff in your shack? And then beat on tables, 0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:12.120 beat on the wall, slammed the door, all these sounds. 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:15.040 It's see you in that microphone and you're beaten cups 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:22.080 and it sounds. Listen, I got a keyboard, break back 0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:29.239 the internet. You're doing all these bats B G B maniacs. 0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:33.880 But I got the record. As you're cutting this and 0:42:33.920 --> 0:42:35.839 you're playing it for people, what are they saying to you, Like, man, 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:37.640 itsn't gonna work? Or is its great? Or what they 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:41.120 are they saying? Well, uh, you know, my the people 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:45.880 at my publishing company, they saw me obviously, uh you know, 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.440 to write songs, but wanted me to. They saw me 0:42:48.520 --> 0:42:51.400 with the intention of me being an artist. And you know, 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:55.000 I think at first they thought, hey, he's gonna write 0:42:55.040 --> 0:42:58.239 that one, you know, dangerous one on the country Ready, 0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:02.640 you know that country radio slap Slam first release, bah Boom, 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.759 And what happened was I kind of got off therapeutic 0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:09.400 you know, on them, like you talk about Comedian and 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:13.080 stuff like that. Those feel so good for me to write, 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:15.680 you know, sometimes it's just great to get that stuff 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.360 off of your chest and tell everybody that makes me 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.120 feel better. And so that's what I was doing with 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:24.000 those those dark ones and then the happy ones. That's 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:26.440 just kind of how that's how I want a party, 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:28.399 you know, that's the stuff I want to play live. 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:33.200 And they definitely were. What what happened once I started 0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.680 turning and turning them in and my team didn't see 0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:40.560 really a fast track. Hey this is going to country radio, 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:44.600 you know obviously from the sound. But they just love them, 0:43:44.760 --> 0:43:46.879 you know, they liked they loved the song. They found 0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:50.200 themselves listening to them, um and cheat And I know 0:43:50.320 --> 0:43:53.080 it's cheesy, but I even found myself I would listen 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:54.920 to them like they're not me. I'd be like, I 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:58.960 just liked this song the Comedian you know too. Yeah, 0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:06.320 my money wi shock sucking based on my money on 0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.440 a honey you make me want to shake time cruise 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:11.359 in my mind, he said to be, I say that's 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:13.279 something me. I scrubb in the front seat telling me 0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:18.320 hanging out like Mike my Dina funk of all this 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:21.280 project was the first song you wrote. So the first 0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:29.319 song on this project that was written was either say 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.399 sober you broke up with me? I don't know which 0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:35.600 came first, the chicken or the egg um, but yeah, 0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:39.160 those those those two you broke up with me was 0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:43.080 the one where we all went, Hey, keep doing that, 0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:50.040 because that's something about that. It's unique and digestible. And 0:44:50.160 --> 0:44:55.960 this is a single now he broke up to see me? 0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:01.640 But hey, can you broke up with me? It was 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:05.840 can I say anything? You broke up me? What's funny 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:08.959 is I remember texting you because this song came out. Yeah, 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:11.759 you know you produced it yourself. And I tell us, like, hey, 0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.879 or the new version, it's it's produced slightly different parts, 0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:18.000 it's like more radio palatable. And your response was I'm 0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.919 listening to it like I never heard of before. God 0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:25.680 and you can't grasp my party with yo. Sorry, sound bodies, 0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:29.520 don't be raining on my money proper rate for a minute. 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.879 I ain't eat my fix. Listen the yoga tripping y'o 0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.719 focus and girl you made Yo Man and then on 0:45:36.960 --> 0:45:42.120 me in and whoa simmer down to night and nobody 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:48.799 making you watch me get my FeAs my That is good. 0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:50.800 So that's a single now and you're working out, you know. 0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:53.560 The interesting thing is is that And I'll just talk 0:45:53.600 --> 0:45:55.960 about my listeners for a second, because I can always 0:45:56.000 --> 0:46:01.080 tell by my listeners if it's a suppose the right way, 0:46:01.600 --> 0:46:04.399 what will work, because all I gotta do is play something. 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.080 My listeners are no bs and they don't like it. 0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:09.920 They just don't. They don't do what I say. I 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:12.279 just try to give them good options that they probably 0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:15.000 wouldn't be able to hear other places. Like honestly, god, 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:18.439 I can't make them do anything. But what I try 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:21.200 to do in my job is go, this is different 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.120 or this is really good, and you're not going to 0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.640 hear this anywhere else, and if you like it, then 0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.560 consume it. However, and I played that song, and I 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:31.680 looked at an iTunes before I played it because I 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.000 like to see what happens. And I gave it one 0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:37.120 full spin. It was a three. I played it one 0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:38.879 time with an hour and half went to thirty eight 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:41.160 or something, and I was in it, and for me, 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:44.440 it wasn't a like for me. It wasn't like, man, Bobby, 0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:46.520 I told you you knew what was good. It was 0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:50.279 God if people can get out of that box a 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:54.920 little bit and see this is one spin. People reacted 0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:59.440 to this song. And so you know, I've tinkered with 0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:01.400 it a bit more. But now it's kind of like, 0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:03.360 let's let's let the label see what they can do. 0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:07.360 But it's gotta be cool to see people hear it 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:09.800 and go, wow, I heard it. Now, I like it. 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.359 Let me buy that. Yeah, it's gonna be some kind 0:47:12.400 --> 0:47:14.560 of it, like like, okay, maybe there's something to this. 0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:18.279 Do you feel that? Oh? Man? Yes? And uh, you 0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:20.320 know you have. The first question you're asking was what 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:23.520 it what's it mean for you to to be on 0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:29.040 a label? And I just didn't It's all every day 0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:34.719 it's a good day. I'm not kidding though. I mean 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:39.640 every that that day we celebrated. I celebrate everything right now. 0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:43.480 And that is amazing that that that I woke up 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:46.759 that day and you know, you play my song one 0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:50.759 time and it does that and and yes, man, I 0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:53.480 mean you know, you work so hard on music and 0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:56.239 you just think it's so good and and you just 0:47:56.440 --> 0:47:59.040 then he produced and it's so awesome and then he 0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:03.640 put out put it out there, and you're like, it's 0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:08.560 time to see. You know, the critics are paying and 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:12.239 using their criticizing with their money, and when they pay it, 0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:16.960 they're not criticized. And when they don't pay it, they cize, right, 0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:19.960 and so now just to see I mean, we had 0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:22.880 a sick first week when we blew it up and 0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:26.239 it was awesome, and yeah, I mean it is so 0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:30.480 it is so gratifying. Uh, you know that people that 0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:32.839 people liked it like they're liking it. I mean, hey, 0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:35.279 another song too that I saw a track and I 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:36.920 was like, how can this song even be a song? 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.200 He just by looking at the name of it. I 0:48:39.320 --> 0:48:43.319 was like, yeah, I was like, he wrote a song 0:48:43.440 --> 0:48:46.920 about Halloween. And I remember because I think it was 0:48:47.000 --> 0:48:49.160 on the second the set. But how long is that 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:53.640 the second age break the Internet? So Halloween? I was like, well, 0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:56.160 let me even see what this song is about Halloween? 0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:58.520 Like what is this about that? Dude? One? Like one 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:01.880 of the deepest songs and a beautiful way, because that's 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:04.520 like I get to take out my costume around you're 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:08.400 talking about your wife. Yeah, and then I knock knock 0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:14.520 on yo though. The mascot Ye shouted like glass on 0:49:14.640 --> 0:49:19.920 the phone and it was like Halloween and all the 0:49:20.040 --> 0:49:27.719 people opportun rest in piece rees, rest in piece, so deep, 0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:37.760 so good, all the people opportunder Simpies a timpies besties. 0:49:39.560 --> 0:49:42.799 What's like playing that for your wife? Oh? Man? Uh 0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:50.120 awesome because she's so numb. You know, love songs in 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:53.279 twelve years, three or four pub deals, you write a 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:56.640 ton of love songs and you just you come home 0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:58.680 and you're like, did I get you? Did it? Did 0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:02.160 this one get you? And? Uh? None? None of them? 0:50:02.600 --> 0:50:05.680 You know. God, her like this one because we dated 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:09.399 in high school and she knew that's what she meant 0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:12.560 to me immediately, you know, right off the bat, I 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:15.440 was a real insecure kid trying to fit in andmobile, 0:50:15.920 --> 0:50:19.400 and then I met her and she just saw the 0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:21.440 side of me that she really fell in love with. 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:24.640 And um, that's yeah, one of her favorite songs for sure. 0:50:25.200 --> 0:50:27.640 We talking about this sleep number for a second. 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And we started doing this 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:53.520 little podcast and we were talking to people like, for example, 0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:55.080 kit Lyn, one of the first ones who's on your 0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:57.000 it's just your Caitlin. Right now. I was like, hey, 0:51:57.080 --> 0:51:58.680 like come over to the house because I'm gonna do 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:01.400 this thing. I'm gonna talk to artists, talk songwriters. And 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.960 then now we got to sleep number sponsor and this thing. 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:07.160 But so uh yeah, it's cool. It's cool. It's like, 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:09.479 let me ask you this. You put all your stuff 0:52:09.480 --> 0:52:13.239 out for free. At first, well, who thought of that? 0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:15.759 Why was that the plan? So that was thought of 0:52:16.040 --> 0:52:20.960 by my manager, Rob Robert Carlton, and he's kind of 0:52:21.000 --> 0:52:24.200 famous now, but he, uh, you know, he heard my 0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:27.040 stuff and like we were talking earlier, he heard those 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:29.680 songs that I was building in the shack and he said, 0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:33.640 you know, he ain't gonna fit country radio right now, 0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:36.839 but these will build a fan base. People will share these, 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:39.440 they will love them, they will connect to them. And 0:52:39.600 --> 0:52:42.080 so that's what we did. We just started putting them out, 0:52:42.400 --> 0:52:44.840 started touring a little bit, got a couple of opening 0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:48.640 slots you know last year, and places to go play them, 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:51.640 got the loop, started learning how to do that because 0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:54.239 just wanted them to sound as close as I could 0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:57.440 do these tracks, and that's why we started putting out 0:52:57.560 --> 0:53:00.239 free music. And it was so exhilarating. It was so 0:53:00.360 --> 0:53:02.959 therapeutic for me. It obviously made me a better writer. 0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:05.200 I feel like they just keep getting better and better. 0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:07.520 I'm already working on number three. I don't know where 0:53:07.560 --> 0:53:11.200 that lives, you know, as far as label stuff goes, 0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:14.520 but they will let me continue the eight tracks and 0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:19.279 so I'm excited about those. They'll just keep coming for me. 0:53:19.520 --> 0:53:22.279 I'm a huge fan of you and the music that 0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:25.960 you write, and yeah, welcome, shut up. I became a 0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:28.200 huge fan way early, like I was obsessed with it 0:53:28.560 --> 0:53:30.120 and I would say on the radio, It's like, what's 0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:32.000 the biggest albums a year? And I'd be like, you 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:34.239 know I played record from Urban a lot Maren and 0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.880 Walker Hays and I was now and I would mean 0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.799 it from the bottom of my heart. And it wasn't 0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:41.239 like you and I were talking every day. We were 0:53:41.320 --> 0:53:42.680 I don't even know if we were talking. We were 0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:46.160 maybe exchange the text occasionally. But I was just a fan. 0:53:46.440 --> 0:53:48.960 Like I was just a fan because I love people 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.440 who try things that aren't the same, even if they 0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:53.359 fall in their face, Like I love people that take 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:59.000 shots falling forward, it's still it's still moving forward. And 0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:01.959 so one I like the music and too, I enjoy 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:04.640 the fact that you were trying something new, and so 0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:07.080 I would say that stuff like magazine to do interviews 0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:09.240 like what you let's do most. I love Dirk's album, 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:11.120 I love the Walker Hayes's album like it was just 0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:13.239 that's just because it was a like, what's the most 0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:16.880 thing that you're playing, I'll tell And so something that 0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:19.000 shook me a bit. And I'm jaded and the first 0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:21.800 to admit it because I've been doing this now and 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:25.120 just in this capacity for four years and I've had 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:27.680 Garth Brooks sit beside me right and play, and I've 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:30.759 had you name it's it's it's great, and it never 0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:33.440 loses the fact that it's great. But when when you 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:37.040 eat Filet mignon every day, it becomes kind of normal. 0:54:38.719 --> 0:54:42.080 So it's like I enjoy it and I still appreciate it, 0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:47.480 but rarely the things shake me. Occasionally, things like really 0:54:47.760 --> 0:54:49.759 and I'm gonna tell you. I get a message from 0:54:50.600 --> 0:54:53.160 one of my friends, she works at my record label, 0:54:53.200 --> 0:54:56.560 and it's Mega boardman and she says, uh, do you 0:54:56.640 --> 0:54:58.920 hear this song called Payne Walker Hay sent on the email. 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.560 I was like, no, I'm not on his email list. 0:55:01.719 --> 0:55:03.440 I'm not anybody's email us. I didn't know he had 0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:05.439 to email us. Like I just listened to the music 0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.520 and I was like, no, she goes, you should probably 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:10.960 hear it, and I was like, we'll send me the email, 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:14.160 and so like I'm gonna tell you eyeball to eyeball, 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.080 I just sat in my car and I was like, 0:55:17.680 --> 0:55:19.680 to have someone you're such a huge fan of like 0:55:19.880 --> 0:55:23.440 even mention you and that song. I was like, this 0:55:23.760 --> 0:55:27.480 is like crazy in my life. Honestly, it means the 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:29.480 world for you to say that, because when you put 0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:33.160 somebody in a song, you're like they're gonna hate, Like 0:55:33.360 --> 0:55:36.000 is this gonna suck for them. It it was. It 0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.000 was the weirdest thing. It was a great I have 0:55:39.120 --> 0:55:42.000 trouble with emotion, feeling at trouble letting myself feel emotion 0:55:42.040 --> 0:55:43.959 because I feel like any good emotion is gonna be gone, 0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:48.399 and any good emotion has to be met with equal bad. 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:51.759 So I try not to have good emotion like it's 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:54.640 a listen, I'm nuts, right. I had great emotion from 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:58.080 the song good Man, that's awesome and so and you 0:55:58.160 --> 0:56:00.680 can't do this. This is online, but this is pain 0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:04.240 from walking around. Here you go, mate, two thousand sixteen, 0:56:04.360 --> 0:56:06.800 seven something in the morning, I was driving when a 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:09.520 dream come true came through my high the factory speakers 0:56:09.560 --> 0:56:12.000 and on me. Bobby Bones played a song and I 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:14.719 wrote about lonely beer and a fresh It's one of 0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:17.239 my doctrines. What you hear is out felt from the 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:21.040 broken in my heart was about addiction, love, loss and recovery. 0:56:21.120 --> 0:56:23.000 Trust Me only wrote it because I had to get 0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.400 it out of me, not for Nashville, not for radio, 0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:28.560 for nobody bought me. And maybe that trouble so pressing rewind, 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:31.760 wrestling demons like mine looking for company in this design 0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:37.400 that doesn't really feel so grand all the time. I 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:43.799 didn't feels so good, feel so grand all the time. 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:53.839 I didn't know because feels so good like I get 0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:57.359 Jo bump now listen to. So I guess I want 0:56:57.400 --> 0:56:58.960 to know about it because well, I never asked you 0:56:58.960 --> 0:57:00.480 about the song because I was kind of embarrassed to 0:57:00.520 --> 0:57:04.960 do it, because it was like, yeah, I love that. 0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:09.439 I was embarrassed. So did you know I was gonna 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:11.480 play your song that morning? Because I don't think. I 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:15.000 don't tell anybody I'm gonna play their music. Well, you know, 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:19.600 when we've we've talked about this, UM, I just feel weird, 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:24.840 you know, asking you know people to do that. You know, 0:57:25.000 --> 0:57:27.440 I honestly you know that that song is in that 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:32.640 category of of a comedian uh leadless Starr. You know, 0:57:32.720 --> 0:57:35.680 nobody asked me to write about that. Um, I just 0:57:35.880 --> 0:57:38.800 had to, you know, it was it was a special 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:42.240 moment for me. I was out in the middle of nowhere, 0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:45.520 um picking up Actually I had my loop worked on 0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:49.440 in close to Murfreysboro, So I was just driving when 0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:52.760 you played beer in the fridge, and man, it just 0:57:53.040 --> 0:57:56.479 was another one of those moments where you gotta pinch 0:57:56.520 --> 0:58:00.240 yourself and and I was like, I can't believe what 0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:03.320 is happening to me at that at this point in 0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:05.840 my life. You know, I got six kids I could 0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:09.720 barely feed, uh, you know a year ago, and now, 0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:14.680 uh my work tapes rocking on the radio, you know, 0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:17.120 and Beer in the Fridge is a naked song. I mean, 0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:21.040 it's the truth. There's like three things on the track. Um, 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:24.320 you know, so I'm hearing Keith Urban blow it up 0:58:24.400 --> 0:58:27.240 and then all of a sudden, I hear just you 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:30.120 know always, And it just rocked me. Man. I mean, 0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:32.320 you know, I don't have a lot of I have 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:34.440 a lot of those moments where I like pull over 0:58:34.520 --> 0:58:36.640 and cry. I mean, I freaking love music and it 0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:40.440 it has so much emotional power over me. But I 0:58:40.520 --> 0:58:44.200 have never felt like I did when I listened to 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:47.479 that song. Uh. And so I had to write about 0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:50.520 that moment and everything that it made me think of, 0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:55.880 you know, how far my life had changed pretty quick, 0:58:56.640 --> 0:58:59.400 you know, And so I just blurted it all out 0:59:00.040 --> 0:59:02.080 in that song. And you were obviously a part of 0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:07.440 that story. Um. So thanks. It was a great business. 0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:11.720 But honestly, like you said, I mean, I gotta tell you, 0:59:12.200 --> 0:59:14.200 there were moments where I was like, I don't know 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:17.320 if I want to release it. Like I was also like, 0:59:17.560 --> 0:59:20.080 do I just put like a DJ. I didn't know 0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:23.280 whether whether you would appreciate having your name in it 0:59:23.560 --> 0:59:26.440 or I was like, he's gonna think this is just 0:59:26.680 --> 0:59:29.800 a business move. But honestly, I've rent you know, we're 0:59:29.880 --> 0:59:32.240 running by my team as I was creating the song, 0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:35.200 and they were like, man, you mentioned Mike, that guy 0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:37.440 you worked with a Costco. You mentioned your wife and 0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:39.600 your kid, and you you know the the song is 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:43.840 honest about every detail. There's not one I've always We've 0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:46.240 always laughed because I'm like, somebody's gonna ask about that 0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:49.200 song and be like can you can you tell me 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:52.320 about it? And I'm just gonna be like, well, two 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:55.440 thousand and sixteen, so you know, just I'm gonna recite 0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:58.720 this song because there's really nothing else to say. It's 0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:03.120 just the on truth down to the Costco card in 1:00:03.240 --> 1:00:06.120 the freaking console. I believe you too, because one you 1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:09.000 didn't put it out like out out. Yeah, you sit 1:00:09.040 --> 1:00:11.280 down an email, it's still up there for you can't 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.560 even like stream it. Yeah, you gotta get us nowhere, 1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:16.280 and you know, and I hope you eventually if you 1:00:16.320 --> 1:00:18.360 put it up, it's all good. And I don't believe 1:00:18.400 --> 1:00:21.080 anybody at any time for any reason. I believe you 1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:23.479 because I just I don't believe you. I don't believe 1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:26.520 anybody like you. Know how it is around here. Yeah, 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:31.720 when times are good, everybody's your friend. And when times 1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:34.200 aren't good, and no I want anything to do with you. 1:00:35.320 --> 1:00:38.920 And I do know that, man, And that's that's that's 1:00:38.960 --> 1:00:41.160 the nature of this beast. And so you got to 1:00:41.200 --> 1:00:43.400 find the people. And this isn't just our business, this 1:00:43.560 --> 1:00:45.640 is like a life thing. You have to find the 1:00:45.720 --> 1:00:49.240 people that when times are on that stock market downtick, 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:51.520 that are right by your side, and you keep them 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:53.480 by your side when that stock market goes back up 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:56.480 because it's gonna go back down again. And so those 1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:58.360 are the people just ride, they just ride, Let them 1:00:58.480 --> 1:01:00.600 ride with you, and you ride with them. And that's 1:01:00.640 --> 1:01:03.080 how you find the people, like the people that are 1:01:03.120 --> 1:01:05.760 with you when it's down, or the people that you 1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:11.800 just keep on surrounding yourself. Right, And there's like a 1:01:11.920 --> 1:01:17.840 few and that's it. I know. We had this whole 1:01:17.840 --> 1:01:21.600 conversation like off Mike days ago. But yeah, yeah, it's weird. 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:23.040 It's been cool. It's been cool getting to know you 1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:26.200 because again, I'm just a huge fan and that's why 1:01:26.240 --> 1:01:27.720 I went. And I was like, because I was doing 1:01:27.760 --> 1:01:31.080 this whole stand up comedy tour and you know, I 1:01:31.160 --> 1:01:33.080 can ask whoever I want to open. And I was like, man, 1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:35.439 I would love to freaking Walker Hayes come out because 1:01:35.440 --> 1:01:37.000 I just want to watch a blay like no other reason, 1:01:37.120 --> 1:01:40.240 Like I just want Walker to come out. And then 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:42.840 in the middle of all this to see like you popping, 1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:47.960 like just popping. Is it now where you're starting to 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:50.560 be cool and people are now coming out going, hey, 1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:53.680 cool guy, you want to work together? Oh yeah, I 1:01:53.760 --> 1:01:57.640 bet that happens. And you know what, that's okay because 1:01:57.720 --> 1:01:59.280 you're gonna trust as far as you can throw them, 1:01:59.320 --> 1:02:01.600 but you can still use each other for for whatever 1:02:01.680 --> 1:02:07.000 advantage you're working together. Yeah, and that's you know, I'm 1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:10.880 ashamed to say this, but I'm sure I've done that 1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:13.160 to some money in this town, you know, And I 1:02:13.280 --> 1:02:15.800 try to remember that that we're all capable of that. 1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:19.160 And um, but yeah, I mean a lot of people 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:24.280 are definitely coming out of the woodwork. Um, and that's tough. 1:02:24.400 --> 1:02:27.040 You know, sometimes it's tough to accept that you need 1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:28.880 the people coming out of the woodwork, though it is 1:02:28.920 --> 1:02:32.800 the thing exactly you need them. It's just used them 1:02:32.840 --> 1:02:35.280 for what they're there to be used for. Yeah that 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:39.280 they're not the people that are completely down, but they're 1:02:39.280 --> 1:02:40.560 down for what you need them for, and you're down 1:02:40.600 --> 1:02:43.520 for what you need them for. Just remember I didn't 1:02:43.520 --> 1:02:46.440 come out of the woodwork. Was where I was like, 1:02:46.600 --> 1:02:48.520 I was like hiding in the woods. I was waiting, 1:02:49.640 --> 1:02:51.440 like I was up in a tree looking down. I 1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:54.160 was like, you see Walker, Oh man, it's been good. 1:02:54.200 --> 1:02:57.320 I hope you enjoyed like hanging and talking. No, I did, man, 1:02:57.480 --> 1:02:59.720 Thank thanks for having me for like I've been on 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:03.560 out like it's therapeutic. Here's a little something. This is 1:03:03.600 --> 1:03:05.560 called Walker singing to the Duggers. Would you like to 1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:08.800 talk to us? Oh my gosh, singing to the Duggers? 1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:12.160 You told me from the show. You tell me what 1:03:12.280 --> 1:03:16.040 this is? Hey, how's it going? You guys like music? 1:03:16.400 --> 1:03:20.520 No way? You got a second? You have the episode? Yeah, 1:03:20.600 --> 1:03:23.440 so go ahead and tell me before I play what exactly? Okay, 1:03:23.560 --> 1:03:27.160 So this is uh s is when Derek and Jill 1:03:27.440 --> 1:03:30.320 I think is her name, got engaged and how did 1:03:30.360 --> 1:03:33.080 you end up on this show? Okay, so there The 1:03:33.280 --> 1:03:36.440 producer of the show lives near me and called me 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:38.720 one day on the porch. He didn't hear yeah, you 1:03:38.800 --> 1:03:41.320 heard me on the back porch. Now he actually, man, 1:03:41.440 --> 1:03:44.080 He was just like, we're thinking about doing this segment. 1:03:44.200 --> 1:03:47.640 If you can give us a song, I can convince 1:03:47.760 --> 1:03:50.880 the network that they need to do this. And I say, man, 1:03:50.960 --> 1:03:53.120 tell me about their love story. He was like, it's 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:55.120 really cool. They went all the way to Catman Do, 1:03:55.320 --> 1:03:57.720 but they lived, you know, super close, but went all 1:03:57.800 --> 1:04:00.200 the way to another country and met each other there. 1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:03.960 So I just wrote this song and uh, he was like, boom, 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:09.439 that's perfect for their uh engagement. Here we go. Hey guys, Hey, 1:04:09.680 --> 1:04:13.880 how's it going. You guys like music? You got a second? 1:04:14.000 --> 1:04:19.120 I got a song that reminded me music. Hey, that'd 1:04:19.160 --> 1:04:27.960 be great. Will you go up about thirty show minutes 1:04:28.080 --> 1:04:32.120 down the street. But we had to go eight thousand 1:04:32.320 --> 1:04:37.200 miles away to meet I'm not sure the Lord was 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:40.280 thinking taking us all the way to cat Man Do, 1:04:41.120 --> 1:04:43.960 but I know he was thinking of me when he 1:04:44.120 --> 1:04:47.240 made you so and as beautiful as that is, the 1:04:47.320 --> 1:04:51.760 acting is, first of all, has anyone ever in the 1:04:51.920 --> 1:04:56.040 history of questions answered the word no till you do? Like, Hey, 1:04:56.120 --> 1:04:59.240 do you like music? It's a safe question. Nah, not really? 1:04:59.720 --> 1:05:05.040 All right, man, Hey do you like food? No? And 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:08.560 they just listen to the acting here, Uh yeah, what's up? 1:05:10.080 --> 1:05:12.960 Even the Hey guys, it's pretty bad. You're just like 1:05:13.080 --> 1:05:19.360 sitting in Hey guys. Hey, how's it going? God? This 1:05:19.440 --> 1:05:24.440 is awful. They acted, nobody wrote a script. I remember 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:27.040 meeting with him and I talked to him because he 1:05:27.160 --> 1:05:31.560 knew he was in on it. I would hope. Yeah, man, 1:05:31.640 --> 1:05:34.200 we botched it big tim But she was still, Hey, 1:05:34.360 --> 1:05:38.720 how's it going. You guys like music? She's like, yeah, 1:05:38.960 --> 1:05:42.320 I do, Yeah, I do. How lucky because of all 1:05:42.360 --> 1:05:44.600 the people in the world, they both liked music, and 1:05:44.720 --> 1:05:49.200 you're lucky that they both did. Man, it was a dude. 1:05:49.240 --> 1:05:54.520 I'm no, I'm no actor. Come on, hey man, it's uh. 1:05:55.640 --> 1:05:58.000 And I haven't been written a song about your whole life? Yeah, 1:05:58.120 --> 1:05:59.480 do you have a second to stop for me? While 1:05:59.480 --> 1:06:00.840 I played this? Who long I read about your life? 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:02.600 This is totally random. By the way, do you like music? 1:06:04.680 --> 1:06:09.120 I've I'm actually auditioned for some stuff and failed big time. 1:06:09.120 --> 1:06:13.400 I mean, acting is talk about putting your guard down. 1:06:13.440 --> 1:06:15.480 I mean that's a scary thing, kind of like your 1:06:15.520 --> 1:06:18.760 comedy thing. We were talking about before we went out. 1:06:18.840 --> 1:06:21.280 I was asking you if you're a friend. It's all vulnerable. 1:06:21.520 --> 1:06:24.520 It's all vulnerable. Music, vulnerable, comedy, vulnerable acting, it's all. 1:06:24.720 --> 1:06:29.760 If you're creative, you are vulnerable because people are choosing 1:06:30.080 --> 1:06:32.720 if they like or don't like what you're doing, and 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:36.640 you need them to do that. That's vulnerable. You need 1:06:36.800 --> 1:06:39.760 someone to like or not like you. Hopefully they like you. 1:06:40.560 --> 1:06:43.880 But you don't create, so people don't care. You create 1:06:43.960 --> 1:06:46.640 so hopefully people care, and then when they don't, you 1:06:46.680 --> 1:06:49.400 realize I didn't create good enough or or at the time, 1:06:49.760 --> 1:06:53.040 I didn't create good enough. So just as you get 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:56.680 up and you sing songs about your life, they are 1:06:56.720 --> 1:06:58.360 very vulnerable. I get up and I tell stories, and 1:06:58.800 --> 1:07:01.320 the entire light, the entire him is focused on my mouth. Hoole, 1:07:01.360 --> 1:07:04.040 And that's it. But I mean, really that's it. But 1:07:04.560 --> 1:07:06.200 I thrive off that the same way that you've been 1:07:06.240 --> 1:07:09.920 writing music. I thrive off of just and again it 1:07:09.960 --> 1:07:12.400 comes back to just being like needing that love too, 1:07:13.000 --> 1:07:16.200 like that that's that's finding love for me, I go out. 1:07:16.280 --> 1:07:19.120 I need that. I need that love, so I fight 1:07:19.200 --> 1:07:24.280 for it. Have terrible relationships, God terrible. I want to 1:07:24.320 --> 1:07:28.440 talk about it. No, I don't think so it's not 1:07:29.120 --> 1:07:31.920 it's not in the moment, not right now. This is 1:07:32.400 --> 1:07:33.800 this is not a Bob. This is not a Bobby. 1:07:33.840 --> 1:07:38.000 Bobby casts a Walker podcast. All right, So download you 1:07:38.080 --> 1:07:39.320 broke up with me? That's the only saw him that 1:07:39.320 --> 1:07:47.000 you can download. Right, Yeah, we need to do nobody 1:07:47.080 --> 1:07:56.320 making you watch. It's good. I know it's difficult to 1:07:56.480 --> 1:08:02.320 see me, but hey, you broke up with me. It 1:08:02.480 --> 1:08:07.920 was you broke up. So Walker, depending on when you 1:08:07.960 --> 1:08:09.120 hear this, will be out on the road with me 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:14.720 until May. Walker Hayes dot com website to um whenever. 1:08:14.920 --> 1:08:17.560 What's Fun is on on tour Nikita Car when it 1:08:17.560 --> 1:08:20.479 comes out and sings Halloween with you? Is it? Like 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:23.200 she's so good, right, and like nobody even knows about 1:08:23.200 --> 1:08:27.000 her really yet that's weird to me. She's so because 1:08:27.040 --> 1:08:31.000 she's so good. But they're going to you know, and 1:08:31.040 --> 1:08:33.320 I'm gonna pull her once and you know she I 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:35.120 just met her on Skype and was like, you gotta 1:08:35.160 --> 1:08:37.599 move to the States. Oh really? Oh yeah, I didn't 1:08:37.600 --> 1:08:39.479 know that. I didn't know your story and I don't 1:08:39.479 --> 1:08:42.160 know oh yeah, yeah. We were just looking for someone, 1:08:42.240 --> 1:08:43.760 like I needed a girl in the band so I 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:46.519 could like write funny stuff from a girl perspective, raise 1:08:46.560 --> 1:08:50.360 ball women. And so I went through and I didn't 1:08:50.360 --> 1:08:52.800 You couldn't find anybody. So I gave up and friend 1:08:52.880 --> 1:08:54.520 was like, hey you should. There's just go in Australia. 1:08:54.600 --> 1:08:56.400 She's not trying to get to the States and be 1:08:56.520 --> 1:08:58.240 a singer song right over here, but she plays some 1:08:58.320 --> 1:09:01.160 pubs and I was like okay. So I skyped with 1:09:01.280 --> 1:09:03.960 her and things like ten am. I was like, hey, 1:09:04.000 --> 1:09:05.360 can you hear your guitar in the office, and she 1:09:05.400 --> 1:09:07.800 wouldn't got her guitar. Skyped with like an hour later 1:09:07.840 --> 1:09:10.080 and she played on skype. That's the only time I 1:09:10.120 --> 1:09:13.360 ever said, ever seen and I was like, oh my god, yeah, 1:09:13.720 --> 1:09:16.519 you're you're so good. She's like, oh, I didn't known 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:18.960 about that. And I was like, can you get on 1:09:19.040 --> 1:09:21.720 a plane in the year in three days? And she 1:09:21.800 --> 1:09:24.040 got on a plane quarter job, moved here. I didn't 1:09:24.040 --> 1:09:25.240 have any murder live. She lived with me for like 1:09:25.320 --> 1:09:27.680 two and a half months or so and so, and 1:09:27.760 --> 1:09:30.240 I was just like you just just right right. She's 1:09:30.280 --> 1:09:32.519 just writing. She got a publishing deal. She you know, 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:38.360 you know, but she's so good. Yeah, and people will 1:09:38.400 --> 1:09:43.080 find her. I wonder if I every day let me 1:09:45.560 --> 1:09:51.240 talking dude with me. She's sick. She uh yeah, she's 1:09:51.280 --> 1:09:53.960 like two ft tall. Here we go, Nikita Karmen. This 1:09:54.080 --> 1:10:04.439 is the first a place with this m m M. 1:10:07.760 --> 1:10:10.479 I didn't cry when he said I'm not the one 1:10:10.680 --> 1:10:14.519 because I ain't want to come undone. I hear my 1:10:14.720 --> 1:10:18.280 head up high and bit my tongue. Let the goodbye 1:10:18.360 --> 1:10:22.040 setting like us couldn't stop thinking about two of us, 1:10:22.800 --> 1:10:29.200 and heartbreaks hard to rise above. I'll take the high 1:10:29.320 --> 1:10:32.519 road and I'll keep my cool. Pretty soon won't be 1:10:32.840 --> 1:10:35.800 thinking about you. First, I me tell my friend, she's 1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:38.599 not that pretty. You don't look how for s happy 1:10:38.680 --> 1:10:41.400 as you do with me. She's wearing that trendy Tom 1:10:41.479 --> 1:10:45.200 Petty t shirt. Stop being petty by your American girl. 1:10:45.520 --> 1:10:48.360 The first time he was my week's wage one Guila 1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:52.280 cursening a lipstick on the bathroom mirror, and damn gonna 1:10:52.360 --> 1:10:55.320 wake up, gonna feel just fine. I just gotta go 1:10:55.479 --> 1:11:00.160 a little out of my mind. First. I guys say 1:11:00.640 --> 1:11:03.479 like I know you you talk about she like calls 1:11:03.520 --> 1:11:06.600 that a EP or she's just like those are all 1:11:06.720 --> 1:11:09.200 worked tape. I'm gonna tell you something. I believe if 1:11:09.240 --> 1:11:12.479 you were to do that whole play a thing, that 1:11:12.640 --> 1:11:16.439 joker would jump off the charge. I mean that song 1:11:16.520 --> 1:11:21.280 reminds me of like something Lord the royal personal person. 1:11:21.400 --> 1:11:25.160 You know what I'm saying. No, she's legitimately like fantastic. 1:11:26.400 --> 1:11:28.519 I'm looking over here. It's like other artists you may 1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:32.479 know if it's her, Ready for the list, Walk ahead, 1:11:34.080 --> 1:11:38.479 Lindsay l my my girlfriend, Slash, our roommate now Brandon Ray, 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:41.560 who is like they're one of the greatest, and like 1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:44.360 that's another you can sing his brains off. The raging idiots, 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:51.719 Caitlyn Smith, Natalie Himby, that's her people you may know. Yeah, Walker, 1:11:51.800 --> 1:11:54.200 good luck, man, dude, thank you. I need it. I'm 1:11:54.320 --> 1:11:56.600 enjoying this. I appreciate you have. I mean, man, this 1:11:56.760 --> 1:11:59.040 is awesome. Relaxing the chair, it is I don't want 1:11:59.040 --> 1:12:00.800 to get up. He walked in the house and like 1:12:01.040 --> 1:12:03.240 this is where you live. You know what, though, seriously, 1:12:03.520 --> 1:12:06.320 you need to let somebody do a Bobby cast on you. 1:12:06.680 --> 1:12:08.360 I do every morning. It told the Boby Bunt show. 1:12:08.680 --> 1:12:11.760 But you need some I wrote a book. You need 1:12:11.840 --> 1:12:16.840 someone asked no questions about uh personal stuff like Amy 1:12:16.960 --> 1:12:19.040 kind of did a bit, right, A mean, yeah, we 1:12:19.080 --> 1:12:20.880 don't with Amy and she did a bit. But I 1:12:20.920 --> 1:12:25.160 wrote a book. Good. I'm good on yeah, second one. 1:12:25.200 --> 1:12:27.479 I've talked about that maybe yeah, but yeah, it's good. 1:12:27.520 --> 1:12:28.960 If life's good for me. I'm the thing about me. 1:12:29.040 --> 1:12:31.559 It's about Walker. I'm a huge fan, like die hard fan, 1:12:31.720 --> 1:12:34.639 like as legitimately as possible. And I kept you from 1:12:34.680 --> 1:12:36.600 this for a while because it was like everybody was like, 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:38.679 all right enough for Walker ahead talking about Walker Hayes, 1:12:38.840 --> 1:12:40.560 like you just wait. I have a tweet that I 1:12:40.640 --> 1:12:42.680 say from like seven months ago that was like in 1:12:42.760 --> 1:12:44.439 a year. But it's gonna be like, why did I 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:47.840 sleep on Walker Hays. I save that tweet. I'm gonna 1:12:47.840 --> 1:12:51.040 show everybody one day and be like I told you 1:12:51.920 --> 1:12:54.000 good to see you man. Thanks. All right, Walker Hays 1:12:54.040 --> 1:12:58.400 download anything he puts out, I demand it. Alright, good, alright, Mike, 1:12:58.479 --> 1:13:00.920 we're out. What episode was that thirty six? All right, 1:13:00.960 --> 1:13:05.000 Walker Hayes at Walker Hayes right dot com. H A 1:13:05.240 --> 1:13:07.599 y E s walk from me on the Instagram. Yeah. 1:13:07.680 --> 1:13:10.280 At Walker Hayes on Instagram and Twitter at walkers dot com. 1:13:11.080 --> 1:13:13.680 He's out with me doing all the music and I 1:13:13.760 --> 1:13:15.960 do with the jokes until may have you announced the 1:13:16.000 --> 1:13:18.200 other thing? Ye don't know, okay, So then in mind 1:13:18.600 --> 1:13:21.680 other stuff coming down, other stuff coming for us. All right, 1:13:21.800 --> 1:13:26.679 we'll see you, uh siting, Bye, buddy. You can hearly 1:13:26.760 --> 1:13:28.280 keep a still sing in the back up forgot to 1:13:28.280 --> 1:13:29.479 turn her part down anyway, by it