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Speaker 3: I got a new one coming up next week, Jonas.

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Speaker 3: I want you to know already changing, already, switching it up.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully it's better than this.

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Speaker 4: This isn't a bad song. Why do you have to

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Speaker 1: It's not a bad song, but it's just not morning radio,

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Speaker 1: morning podcasting song.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel like your song's morning radio, morning podcast.

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Speaker 1: White Zombie Electric Head Part one ooh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I feel like that's more of a song.

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Speaker 3: I just want to hagging my head against the wall.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But it gets you fired up, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to be like those eye ties doing

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Speaker 1: shots of espresso in the dugout, just ready to go,

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Speaker 1: so right now?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I felt inspired by the Italians? How about them? Though?

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Speaker 4: It's given the US a hand? How about that?

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Speaker 2: It's great, man, it's great.

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Speaker 3: John Paul Morosi coming on later today's show, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: We got to get him to do at least part

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Speaker 1: of it in Italian. So I feel like his Italian

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Speaker 1: brand is really growing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just took a shot of my sip

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Speaker 1: of my espresso right there too.

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Speaker 2: But I go, I don't know if it's called it's not.

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Speaker 2: What is it called?

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Speaker 1: Is it a red eye? Is that where you do

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Speaker 1: a shot of espresso in coffee?

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Speaker 2: Red eye?

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Speaker 3: I mean the coffee uses a shot of espresso. Really,

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Speaker 3: it's all one and the same.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, it's the illusion that gets you through.

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Speaker 3: But well, you're just trying to be a part of it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're just drinking coffee. That's all you're drinking

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Speaker 1: Why you gotta be Why do you got to kill

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Speaker 2: Why do you have to kill.

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Speaker 4: Killing your momentum? I just want our listeners to know

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Speaker 3: I'd say this facade that you put up, which is

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Speaker 1: Is what what am I doing wrong? I'm having coffee.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what the problem is.

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Speaker 3: Just kill a coffee then you don't have to say

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Speaker 2: There's a shot in it. There is. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: I brew my own coffee. I'm not one of these

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Speaker 3: Do you still use those those coffee beans that they'd

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Speaker 4: Is that the ones you still use?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's like coffee beans that I think they're like

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Speaker 3: But I'll look this up while you get us into

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, for those of you that are having

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Speaker 1: whether or not people are drinking crap instead of coffee.

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Speaker 3: It's a small nocturnal mammal to eat only the ripest cherries.

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Speaker 3: The digestive enzymes break down proteins, reducing the bitterness. But yes,

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Speaker 3: I mean the flavor profile, which I'm sure you'll try

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Speaker 2: But that's that's the move, they say, bear many.

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Speaker 2: Why not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, was such a hard time figuring that out four years.

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Speaker 3: We take it, take crap coffee and do reads every

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Speaker 4: If we can just get someone from sales.

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Speaker 3: If only people knew how real that was. But you know, Ef,

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Speaker 1: Bear meat tastes sweet because they eat so many blueberries.

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Speaker 1: You look it up there they say that bear meat

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Speaker 4: Tampering everything else, that's different to me.

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Speaker 3: But they do need to hammer in like defining how

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Speaker 1: By the way, did you ever think all those years

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Speaker 6: Coming here all these years. I'm going to let you

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Speaker 1: You, but I think it like kind of bleeds into

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Speaker 1: But I want to save it for after the break

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Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of great athletes change in places

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Speaker 1: pros FSR and subscribe. So we were talking before the

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Speaker 1: break about, you know, the Big ten, wanting to sort

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Speaker 1: of re I guess, revise the tampering and the how the.

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Speaker 2: NCAA looks into this stuff because.

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Speaker 1: The things have changed, you know, the rules that were

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Speaker 1: in place before NIL and all this stuff in which

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Speaker 1: players could make money are different now. And just sort

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Speaker 1: of all the things and the issues that have popped

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Speaker 1: up over the past couple of years in college football,

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Speaker 1: just keeping it to college football specifically based on the

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Speaker 1: changing landscape Nil, all of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: And my question when I hear all of these conversations

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Speaker 2: go on, is.

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Speaker 1: Why wasn't all of this thought through before we started

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Speaker 1: making moves here?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like, and I don't want to put you in a

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Speaker 1: spot to where you've got to out yourself, but I'll

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Speaker 1: just so I'll take the heat on this one. I

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Speaker 1: know that there are times where there's a clear difference

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Speaker 1: between the way my wife thinks about things and the

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Speaker 1: way I think about things, to where she'll just start

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Speaker 1: doing something and for me, I look at it and

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Speaker 1: go all right, well, before you start doing that, just

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Speaker 1: consider this might happen. That might happen. There's things going on,

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Speaker 1: this could be a possibility. Let's line all that up

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Speaker 1: so then if that approaches and we get to that point,

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Speaker 1: then we can make adjustments and figure it out. It'll

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Speaker 1: be a lot easier. She just blows right through the

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Speaker 1: stopsidn just blows right through it.

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Speaker 2: Could not care less.

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Speaker 1: I've got a plan, and then when things go haywire,

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Speaker 1: then looks at me for assistance, and I'm thinking to myself,

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Speaker 1: all of this could have been handled from the get

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Speaker 1: go and wouldn't have any of those problems. And this

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Speaker 1: is not a man versus woman thing. I think this

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Speaker 1: happens in life, and it feels like in college sports

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Speaker 1: all of these things and issues that have popped up

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Speaker 1: could have been discussed or at least had a conversation about.

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Speaker 1: But it's almost like they wanted to just start paying

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Speaker 1: guys and then we'll figure out the rest afterwards, and

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Speaker 1: it's been a mess ever since.

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Speaker 3: I'll begin by saying that there was too many people

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Speaker 3: who were in positions of power that probably thought things

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Speaker 3: were not going to change and.

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Speaker 4: Move as fast as they have.

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Speaker 3: There are probably too many people who are in positions

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Speaker 3: of power too, who were either not focused on.

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Speaker 4: Where things were going, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I say that meaning like, you know, university presidents

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Speaker 3: aren't always as focused on athletics. And this is actually

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Speaker 3: like a bigger topic discussion that like is a bit

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Speaker 3: personal too for me, like with where I'm at and

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Speaker 3: where I grew up, and like my hometown and just

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Speaker 3: what's happening there with the athletics programs, and this.

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Speaker 4: Is what's happened in this country.

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Speaker 3: There's people in academia who don't understand the relationship between

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Speaker 3: education and sports and growing up and how those things

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Speaker 3: actually go hand in hand. Like I'm a big believer that,

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Speaker 3: you know, you can have high academic institutions. That's that's

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Speaker 3: what most university presidents care about, right. They want to

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Speaker 3: bring in the best faculty, the smartest people to be

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Speaker 3: the best teachers and lecturers that are in the world,

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Speaker 3: and professors there are, right, That's going to exist though, right,

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Speaker 3: and for those schools that are lagging behind, like you

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Speaker 3: can always improve and you know, build up, you know,

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Speaker 3: new nice buildings for whether it's a law school or

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Speaker 3: you know, biology or whatever it is that you want

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Speaker 3: to improve your physical campus and then improve obviously your faculty.

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Speaker 3: But you know, high academic institutions are always going to

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Speaker 3: be there because they're desired. That's their brand, that's their standard,

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Speaker 3: that's what they've always been. Athletics kind of ebb and

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Speaker 3: flow and very similar. I guess to you maybe a

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Speaker 3: higher academic institution that you know is you know, faculty,

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Speaker 3: it's not quite as good.

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Speaker 4: It's like the same, you know, same thing with coaching.

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Speaker 3: But but what they tend to whose sight of sometimes

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Speaker 3: because at least in sports is always.

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Speaker 4: Kind of winning and losing.

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Speaker 3: In academia, it's like rankings, right, like which schools ranked

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Speaker 3: higher for their business school or their law school or

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Speaker 3: medical school whatever. My point to all this is there

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Speaker 3: is the spirit that unites and connects the two, and

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Speaker 3: a lot of that's brought by sports and the excitement

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Speaker 3: around sports and the inclusion of the student with the

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Speaker 3: student athlete at any institution, whether that's a college, at

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Speaker 3: high school, you know, junior high, what have you. But

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Speaker 3: there's a divide and the people who are university presents

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Speaker 3: oftentimes don't see that. They don't understand the importance of

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Speaker 3: that of the spirit that comes along with sports, especially

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Speaker 3: when this time of year, in March madness, when your

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Speaker 3: team that could be that small team maybe we're talking

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Speaker 3: about Minae of Ohio.

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Speaker 4: You know, all the.

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Speaker 3: Students there who have watched that program or are going

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Speaker 3: to school there and they see those basketball players and

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Speaker 3: that's representation of who they are, the school they go to,

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Speaker 3: part of their identity, the brand that they're you know, developing.

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Speaker 3: All those things work hand in hand. And what happened

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Speaker 3: is I think there were too many people in position

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Speaker 3: of power. There are university presidents that didn't care enough

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Speaker 3: about investing and looking at the state of student athletes

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Speaker 3: and college athletics that wanted to realize that the facilities

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Speaker 3: were getting too big, head coaches were being paid too much,

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Speaker 3: and then eventually it was going to come time to

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Speaker 3: actually pay these student athletes and compensate them more than

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Speaker 3: just providing them with unlimited meals or room and board

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Speaker 3: and tuition like it just it wasn't going to be enough,

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Speaker 3: and so I think there's an element of lack of oversight.

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Speaker 3: There's an element of lack of understanding of really how

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Speaker 3: those two things work together. And also there's some greed.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who were making money and

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Speaker 3: they we were able to do so and you know,

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Speaker 3: drive up revenue and not have to worry about increasing

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Speaker 3: their expenses and paying for the workforce that is student

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Speaker 3: athletes that are bringing in particular in college football and

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Speaker 3: some men's and women's basketball, and they thought they could

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Speaker 3: continue to keep getting away with it, and that changed

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Speaker 3: rather quickly, and so now we find ourselves in this situation.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the long winded version and the best way

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Speaker 3: I can describe kind of how we got here.

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Speaker 2: It's because I don't think anybody would dispute that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the athletes deserved compensation. You deserved it back when you

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Speaker 2: were playing. LeVar deserved it back when he was playing.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody discipls that, and the duation.

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Speaker 4: No one did.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing is, the student athletes didn't until

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Speaker 3: at Obannon, until some of these other landmark cases where

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Speaker 3: there were athletes who took the chance of their name

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Speaker 3: reputation to try it and to work with someone to

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Speaker 3: say like this isn't right, this isn't fair, we're being

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Speaker 3: profited off of and to make that sacrifice.

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Speaker 4: Like for me when I was young.

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Speaker 3: Dude, like getting a college degree was meaningful, like that

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Speaker 3: that did matter, going to Notre Dame and having that

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Speaker 3: that alumni base, the networking everything else along with it,

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Speaker 3: and like having room and board. I mean, I remember

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Speaker 3: my dad, I remember Chopper coming in there and being like,

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Speaker 3: I mean we had two dining halls on campus and

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Speaker 3: there's you've never seen a man at seventy eight, at

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Speaker 3: his age now eat the way he does. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he eats like a horse, And so think so imagine this,

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Speaker 3: like imagine you know, twenty some years ago he go

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Speaker 3: in these dining halls. He thought it was the greatest

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Speaker 3: thing in the world. He's like, chops, can you believe

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Speaker 3: you get to all you can eat in this place?

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Speaker 3: Like he would go get like three trays of food

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Speaker 3: and just chow down, and like that was all I knew.

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Speaker 3: Like I didn't, I didn't think about like, oh, getting

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Speaker 3: paid off this, I mean, the only person who ever

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Speaker 3: really and we had a sports psychologist who worked with

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Speaker 3: our team my senior year, and he was really the

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Speaker 3: first person to like bring to my attention, and it

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Speaker 3: just so happened that he had played at SMU during

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Speaker 3: a time period where things were a little out of hand.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: But his general point was like, that will come a reckoning.

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Speaker 3: They will come a time where you know, people were

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Speaker 3: gonna want it to get money back, Like all the

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Speaker 3: people who were wearing your jersey with that number that

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Speaker 3: weren't wearing it before you got here. He's like, you're

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Speaker 3: gonna there's gonna be a time for you're to come back.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna want something back for that. And it really

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Speaker 3: never hit me, and I really never thought about it

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Speaker 3: much because I was too focused on everything else. But

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Speaker 3: you know, looking back on it, yeah, like you could

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Speaker 3: make that case, but we were ignorant to it, like

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Speaker 3: we didn't know, and no one really opened it up

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Speaker 3: until at Obandon started the discussion and then it went from.

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Speaker 1: There because I think you're wired, knowing either way that

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Speaker 1: I know you you're wired kind of like me, it's

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Speaker 1: not so much about the complaint or the shortcomings, it's

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Speaker 1: find a solution.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're not getting paid. I'll go work at

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Speaker 1: side job. Whatever it is, what it is, we'll handle it.

662
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Speaker 3: And to go one step further, I think it's a

663
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Speaker 3: labor of love when you love what you do. And

664
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Speaker 3: I'd love playing quarterback. I loved playing football and really

665
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Speaker 3: sports in general. You know, if I didn't have a

666
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 3: sport as an avenue to go get my education, I

667
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 3: probably would have served in the military.

668
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Speaker 4: But that was that was what I loved.

669
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Speaker 3: I love football, baseball, basketball, like to this day, love sports,

670
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 3: which I would have played lacrosse. But that's why I

671
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 3: look at the predicament that some of these kids are in.

672
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 3: Now it's like you know you again, and we go

673
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: back to this. There's so many issues with the subject about,

674
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: you know, eligibility rules in the NCAA and how it

675
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 3: ties in because what happens is what's happening in one

676
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: sport then gets applied to all sports and it becomes

677
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 3: a slippery slope because it's like, well, you don't have

678
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: the same issues you have in men's college basketball as

679
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: you do in women's to some degree, and even in

680
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: college football, or you don't have the same issues that

681
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: you have in lacrosse, that you do in men's women's basketball,

682
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, like any decision that's made in one impacts

683
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: the other, instead of them being in these separate silos

684
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Speaker 3: that are that are kind of governed and overseen by

685
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: this governing body that is the NCAA that unfortunately is powerless.

686
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 4: So that's part of the issue too, is it actually.

687
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: Should be more fragmented and divided with the decisions that

688
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 3: we're making for each one of these, but we're not

689
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: looking at it that way. So when we have conference realignments,

690
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: we have it because call football, which drives everything, has

691
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: conference realignments that then drags along these other sports with it.

692
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 3: And it's why I've always said, like everyone who bashes

693
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: on Notre Dame as being independent, if all your all

694
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Speaker 3: schools were independent too, guess what you could choose to

695
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: join conferences for other sports. That's why Notre Dames in

696
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: the ACC for most everything else, they played in the

697
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 3: Big Ten. In hockey you had the football remains independent,

698
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: Like you could have kept your football as independent, picked

699
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: your schedule and allowed other sports to not be impacted

700
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: by this, and we wouldn't find ourselves in this mess.

701
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: All you West Coasters in the Pac twelve, you'd still

702
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: have a conference, the Conference of Champion, you'd still have that.

703
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: So it's funny to me when you hear people who

704
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: are like crying and moaning not even means a Jeudian conference. Actually,

705
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: that's how we got here. If you don't like how

706
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: messed up things are, understand and realize. Had every football

707
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: program just got independent, got together, made your own schedule,

708
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: made a separate league from that, we could have protected

709
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: all these other sports and we wouldn't be in this

710
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: mess that we're in right now.

711
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: It would just be specific to football.

712
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: There's there's not a program. If you were to ask

713
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: any program in the country outside of Notre Dame and say, hey,

714
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: if you if you could choose, would you rather be

715
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: independent or part of this conference? Every single one of

716
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: them would say I'd rather be independent, every single one,

717
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: because you wouldn't need to rely on all the other

718
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: teams that you've got to lift up and elevate. You

719
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: could just run and run your own operation. And I've

720
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: said this to you before, and I think that's part

721
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: of the pushback and part of the reason why noted

722
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: Notre Dame gets as much shade as they get is

723
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: because they don't need to rely on all these other

724
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: things to build a brand. They don't need to rely

725
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: on all that stuff. And yeah, they were on NBC

726
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: for all those years and they had name value in

727
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: all of that, but that's part of this, and so

728
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: why would they go join a conference when they don't

729
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: need to?

730
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 2: Like it's like, why do I need? Like why would you?

731
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Speaker 1: Why would you pay agent fees and go hire an

732
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: agent if you didn't need to, if you could just

733
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: handle everything on your own, why would you? Why would

734
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: we join a conference? Why would we partake in all

735
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: the other mess that's going on? And I think a

736
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: lot of the shade Notre Dame gets is because there's

737
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are bitter that they couldn't

738
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: do it as well too, And I've always felt that way.

739
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: It's an element of it, But the problem is that

740
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 3: distracts from the actual point. And the point is, again,

741
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 3: we were in this mess because one things or things

742
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: that are being applied to college football being applied elsewhere,

743
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 3: and things of men's basketball are being applied then from

744
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: basketball to other sports too, and then that's where there

745
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 3: needs to be more dividing lines and had again football

746
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: just branched off at every one of these institutions, all

747
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty whatever we've got. Now, if they

748
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 3: all kind of branched off one in their own independent league, like,

749
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: we could have sorted this out. But unfortunately we had

750
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 3: to drag along every their sport, every their student athlete

751
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: with us, and it's caused us to be in this

752
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: position now where there's some unfortunate breaks for kids who

753
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: it shouldn't be the case. And in the case of

754
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: just bringing back full circle jubilly rules, where you now

755
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: have kids who are playing into six seven years and

756
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: it takes away an opportunity to that mom and dad

757
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: who are proud of their son that should be going

758
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 3: to get a quarterback scholarship somewhere else, but he's being

759
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: blocked out by a kid he wants to come back

760
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: for a six or seventh year.

761
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 4: I mean, so how fair is that?

762
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764
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775
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Speaker 1: again top of next hour. By the way, Brady, I

784
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: forgot to mention this to you earlier. I forgot to

785
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: say this Happy Friday the thirteenth.

786
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Speaker 6: Man.

787
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: I know you're big into that stuff, so I just

788
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: wanted to mention that to you here.

789
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 4: And what do you people still do? They still buy him?

790
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 4: That stuff.

791
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but I know it was Friday

792
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Speaker 1: the thirteenth, last.

793
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: Month, just last month.

794
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Speaker 4: Yeah, two times at a roal. How often does that happen?

795
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 2: Not often?

796
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

797
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Speaker 2: That up. Yeah, but so a happy Friday of the

798
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Speaker 2: thirteenthor anybody.

799
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: That believes in that mumbo jumbo and all the other

800
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: horoscope stuff that goes along with some of that. But

801
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: that being said, the NFL free agency has well, I

802
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: mean it's still going on. Guys are getting signed left

803
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: and right to one year deals.

804
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: Now. It feels like we had the multi year deals.

805
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Going on, and then by each day the years of

806
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: the contracts that were announced just started to slow down,

807
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: and now we're at the one year.

808
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 3: It's not that I think most players understand that there

809
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: really is no commitment by a team outside of what's guaranteed,

810
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: at least in the NFL, in your contract.

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00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 4: So if a team offers you a two year deal.

812
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 3: But they're only willing to guarantee the first year, why

813
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 3: would you sign a two year deal just so you

814
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 3: can say that you sign a contract that's higher in value.

815
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 4: It's just a number on paper.

816
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: The reality is after that first year they can control

817
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 3: what they do with you where they want to trade

818
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: you somewhere else.

819
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: You know, they if they want to release you, like

820
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 4: at least you know on a one year deal.

821
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: If you go and play and you play well, that

822
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: team has the chance to sign you to a big deal,

823
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: maybe tag you depending on your position and the value

824
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 3: with that, or they let you in the free agency

825
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: and someone else is going to sign you for big money.

826
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: So like, ultimately, I would say to every single player

827
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 3: out there, don't sign anything longer than a year deal

828
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: until you get to the point where you can sign

829
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: that big deal. Otherwise it's not really worth it because

830
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: they're not having a commitment to you if they're not

831
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: willing to commit to you for more than one year

832
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: of guarantees or two years of guarantees. Like the NFL,

833
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 3: players should fight more to collectively as a group sign

834
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: contracts that are fully guaranteed, and then we wouldn't have

835
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: to have these conversations about it. The problem is there's

836
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: too many agents that want to look like they're resetting

837
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: the market every year with average annual value. That doesn't

838
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: mean squat. All that matters is guarantees. That is the

839
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 3: only thing that matters.

840
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: Why do you get to take out agents like that,

841
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: can't they can't they be celebrated a little bit because

842
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: there's always.

843
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: Like a handful that are actually like good dudes. The

844
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: rest are just kind of sleezy.

845
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: So who would be in the sleezy category if you

846
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: add to don't like there's a lot.

847
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Speaker 4: We don't need to get into it, all right.

848
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: So with that being said, Mike Evans is now a

849
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine er. I don't think anybody thought

850
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: it would actually happen, but he feels like he's the

851
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: added ingredient that's gonna get San Franto with the top.

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00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 8: Always they always compete, even with the injuries. Last year,

853
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 8: I think they went thirteen to four. I mean, I

854
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 8: feel like they were one piece away, and I think

855
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 8: that I'm that piece, and I'll look forward to coming

856
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 8: here and improving that.

857
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that San Francisco has got an easier

858
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: path to get to where they want to go than

859
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay does coming out of the NFC South. So

860
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: the idea that you know, he's he's the missing piece

861
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: for the forty nine ers who appear like they're getting

862
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: older and older. I call me skeptical, but I just

863
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: don't see it with San Francisco.

864
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: Well, I just don't. Look.

865
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Speaker 3: Every path is different and you're gonna have to go

866
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: through Yeah, two of the teams that were in the

867
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 3: NFC Championship again this past year. But that being said,

868
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 3: you know, the NFC South, he was kind of battling around.

869
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure you either path is easy. But

870
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Speaker 3: I would say this, he is a missing component. That's

871
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 3: a place where receivers have been able to show out

872
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: Kyle Shanahan system. So I like, as far as a

873
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 3: swan song, if it's his last season, last two, I

874
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: like where this could go.

875
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 2: Did you think you would go anywhere else other than Tampa.

876
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: I would have gotten a deal.

877
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 3: That And but he's there now, and you know, hopefully

878
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: he has a great season. He's a good dude, he's

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Speaker 3: a good player, good guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So and he gets to uh to explore that side

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Speaker 1: of the world, uh and see see what life is

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Speaker 1: like next to a nuclear reactor culture shock.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, listen, I've not really been to Tampa, then

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: Of Tampa's awesome. Yeah, but yes, it'll be very different

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Speaker 3: than what it will experience.

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Speaker 1: So when he sees somebody tranked out outside of the

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Speaker 1: Moscowone Center in San Francisco. You know, he could just

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Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, this is uh, this is what you got. This,

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Speaker 1: this is where we're at with things with Mike Evans.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, he's not gonna have to dodge any gators,

894
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Speaker 3: you know, anythel like that, and he and he burn

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Speaker 3: Mese pythons and stuff.

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Speaker 4: You know, he won't have to deal with that, But.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna have to deal with trank and you know

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Speaker 3: some other stuff that's going on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's the wild animal that's out there, is

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Speaker 1: the homeless guy on uh on trank on crack, which

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Speaker 1: we didn't know that that was the term until Pete

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Speaker 1: Prisco from Florida came out to point out to us

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Speaker 1: that it's called trank. That that is the when they're

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Speaker 1: frozen in time, like frozen in mid air like that,

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Speaker 1: it's called tranked out. I had no idea, but Prisco's

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Speaker 1: full of fun facts and he dropped another one for

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Speaker 1: us at the Super Bowl in San fran Our three

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Speaker 1: is next here on FSR