WEBVTT - That's Uncomfortable Imagery

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, I'm strong

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<v Speaker 1>and Jetty and he Armstrong and Yeddy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want more divisions. And I'll tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>else I don't want. I don't want his negativity.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sick and tired of it. I'm sick of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The dude's a whiner, right, As we can say to

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<v Speaker 2>our kids as they were growing up, don't be.

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<v Speaker 1>A whining pants, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a message to Donald Trump, stop talking America.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop it. Who is that young fire band? Wow?

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<v Speaker 3>Listen to the crowd go wild for Josh Shapiro saying

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<v Speaker 3>tired of hearing Trumps talk in America. First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, you've got to tone down your Barack

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<v Speaker 3>Obama impersonation. It was okay, you know, nine months ago,

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<v Speaker 3>when you're kind of vying for being the running mate.

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<v Speaker 3>But now that Obama's on the trail and I heard

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<v Speaker 3>him a lot yesterday when you got him side by side,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a little too much that you're just like doing

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<v Speaker 3>a dead on Barack Obama impersonation. But the reason we

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<v Speaker 3>played Josh Shapiro is to compare and contrast to Tim Walls,

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<v Speaker 3>who is on Good Morning America today being interviewed by

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Strahan, the football player. I don't know why I

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<v Speaker 3>keep saying that, because it's not like you can't be

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<v Speaker 3>a football player and go on to whatever other career

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<v Speaker 3>you want to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's probably had a longer career as a

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<v Speaker 1>show host, right, TV show host? Probably?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what was I going to say? Well, he's not

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<v Speaker 3>a trained journalist. I guess that's my point. He didn't

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<v Speaker 3>go to Jay School at Columbia to try to get

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<v Speaker 3>the truth out of these candidates. He is a football

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<v Speaker 3>player and got hired on this show and kind of

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<v Speaker 3>worked his way from sports to personality to interviewing, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's just asking kind of like normal questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd much rather have that than somebody went to day

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<v Speaker 1>school at Columbia, I would agree. I think I had

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<v Speaker 1>another point before I got to that. I't remember what it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was anyway, It'll come to me later. Here is a

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<v Speaker 3>little of Tim Walls being asked the same question he's

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<v Speaker 3>been asked many times. Still doesn't have a great answer.

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<v Speaker 4>I call yourself a knucklehead because you've made some statements

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<v Speaker 4>that just aren't true. In a comment about weapon of

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<v Speaker 4>the war that I carried in ward, which you didn't,

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<v Speaker 4>you said that you were in Hong Kong during a

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<v Speaker 4>Tan and then Square massacre when you weren't. You kind

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<v Speaker 4>of chalked it all up to bad grammar or getting

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<v Speaker 4>the dates wrong. But your opponents say you lied to make.

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<v Speaker 1>Yourself look better. Do they have a point?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, look, thirty five years ago, got the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 5>be in Hong Kong, be in China, served twenty four

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<v Speaker 5>years in the National Guard, passionately in an instance talking

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<v Speaker 5>about gun violence in schools on an instance there, Proud

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<v Speaker 5>of the service that I've done, Proud to be a

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<v Speaker 5>teacher in that classroom, Proud to have been very public

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<v Speaker 5>all these years, and owning him when I know said, look,

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<v Speaker 5>I was there in August of eighty nine, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think what you see here you saw in Minnesota. I've

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<v Speaker 5>been elected eight times here. These things have been very

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<v Speaker 5>public for folks here. They see the results of things

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<v Speaker 5>that we passed. We see a state that's a top

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<v Speaker 5>five state for business. We see third best state, top

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<v Speaker 5>three state for raising a child, and we've got the

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<v Speaker 5>best healthcare.

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<v Speaker 1>Just not good at it. See the heavy handedness of

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<v Speaker 1>the I'm trying to distract you. This is irrelevant, but

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<v Speaker 1>it makes me look better. It's just so obvious.

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<v Speaker 3>So he immediately went to the well, look, I served

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<v Speaker 3>in the National Guard.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm proud of that service. What I'm a teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>What we're just talking about you claiming here in China

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<v Speaker 3>at a different time than you said?

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<v Speaker 1>What is what he's trying to do? And this is

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<v Speaker 1>after what.

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<v Speaker 3>A full week of getting beaten up on his answer

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<v Speaker 3>over that?

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<v Speaker 6>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And I'm a knucklehead at times, you are knucklehea times.

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<v Speaker 1>We all are most times, it would appear perhaps all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. And what's especially disturbing about that and Kamala

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<v Speaker 1>Harris's utter inability to answer the question what would you

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<v Speaker 1>do differently than the Biden Harris administration is those answers

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<v Speaker 1>are not difficult to construct. He didn't ask an unanswerable question.

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<v Speaker 1>These people are you know? To paraphrase something I read

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<v Speaker 1>earlier from I think it was a Wall Street journal,

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<v Speaker 1>the problem Kamala Harris has is not that she's being

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<v Speaker 1>seen enough. It's that she is being seen likewise Wallace,

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<v Speaker 1>He's just terrible at it. Is not your own damn business.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hear another question from just a couple hours ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, well, you know, but if it's one thing to trust,

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<v Speaker 4>be some people who say we can't trust him even

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<v Speaker 4>tell the truth about himself.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you say to them? Well, I said, they

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<v Speaker 5>know who I am. I know who I am, I

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<v Speaker 5>know the work that I've done. I know that things

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<v Speaker 5>get get spun in a political environment. But I think

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<v Speaker 5>what they see is if they want to compare that

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<v Speaker 5>talking about immigration policy or seeing the things that Donald

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<v Speaker 5>Trump would say, I think there's a big difference than

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<v Speaker 5>missing a date when you're there and again spinning something

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<v Speaker 5>for a political reason. I'm very clear of who I've been.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm very proud of twenty four years of doing that work,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think going to Congress and working for veterans,

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<v Speaker 5>they want to see it and make the difference look

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<v Speaker 5>a little different. I think people in Minnesota, my students,

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<v Speaker 5>the folks i've worked with members of Congress, they know

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<v Speaker 5>who I am, and they know the policies we put

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<v Speaker 5>in place have made an impact.

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<v Speaker 1>He does that is major Network Morning TV. They are

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<v Speaker 1>taking on water.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he doesn't do word salad like Kamala Harris does.

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<v Speaker 3>He does extraneous details or like non related anecdotes.

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<v Speaker 1>He answers, but all self serving and flattering in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that's again heavy, head't and obvious. The only reason

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<v Speaker 1>you just brought that up is it makes you look good,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're trying to distract me from the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you're not answering my question. It's just it's not even skillful.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll just punish you with one more of these.

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<v Speaker 4>And Vice President harrisaid, as she told you to be

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more careful on how you say things.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I did it, you know, even the other day

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<v Speaker 5>of just speaking passionately about these gun violence situations and

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<v Speaker 5>meeting with these survivors. I've said in the room with

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<v Speaker 5>the Sandy Hook folks, a friend with David Hogg, who's

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<v Speaker 5>been an activist on this. People know in that, and

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<v Speaker 5>then that gets spun him that well, he didn't say

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<v Speaker 5>something true. It was very clear that I was talking

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<v Speaker 5>about these veterans, very clear that I wear you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I wear my emotions on my sleeve, and I do

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<v Speaker 5>think in these positions, whether it be governor or being

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<v Speaker 5>bunch president of the United States, you do need to

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<v Speaker 5>be collect careful. You do need to be a little

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<v Speaker 5>more thoughtful on it. And I think what you see

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<v Speaker 5>as as someone who's been in classrooms a lot, I

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<v Speaker 5>been around coaching a lot. I speak passionately, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think doing that, you need to combine the two.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've become friends with school shooters.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't know what that one was about.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you what they were talking about there? Did he?

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<v Speaker 3>He stepped in it the other day talking with victims.

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<v Speaker 1>Of school shootings. I can't remember exactly what it was

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<v Speaker 1>that he said, and I'm not I'm not hung up

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<v Speaker 1>on that one in that telor. I just his uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I could remember, because I know I read

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But he's I was just going to say,

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of that clip, he's just not major league talent. Correct, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not up to the challenges. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>can I have some sympathy, at least theoretically that the

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<v Speaker 1>whole vetting process and campaign was super compressed and they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have time blah blah blah. But Kamala harrisoning, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what's what's a great example of a great decision

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<v Speaker 1>you've made choosing Tim Walls as Vice president.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh boy, Well, that's why we played that Josh Shapiro

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<v Speaker 3>clip right there, because he is major league talent and

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<v Speaker 3>everybody knew yeah, and he continues to spray, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's a Jew.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't have a chat a jew on the turn

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party. Where's he gonna go on? What are

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<v Speaker 1>you gonna shund a jew into Michigan? What? You can't

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<v Speaker 1>do that in the Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 3>So if she ends up losing, that will be one

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<v Speaker 3>of the things campaign historians point two as a bad move,

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<v Speaker 3>choosing Tim Walls over Josh Shapiro, who who not only

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<v Speaker 3>is way better at campaigning, but he's the governor of

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<v Speaker 3>the freaking must win state of Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>Where he's incredibly popular. Right, although you're you're so right,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't open for I don't know you two by

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<v Speaker 1>doing like a U two imitation. They're in your opening set,

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<v Speaker 1>and Josh Shapiro's got to drop the Obama imitation when

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<v Speaker 1>he's speaking. In fact, when we I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>the clip Jack had had chosen, and when he started,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that's Obama, but he sounds different. Really thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was really the first sentence, I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>Obama yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he always talk that way and it's just a

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<v Speaker 3>coincidence or did he pick that up from years of

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<v Speaker 3>listening to Obama?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he young? Sixty three? Again, Mike, just the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want more divisions. And I'll tell you what

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<v Speaker 2>else I don't want. I don't want his negativity.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sick and tired of it. Yeah, okay, that's plenty.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just yeah. I thought, why does her mama sound

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<v Speaker 1>like that? That's one hundred percent Barack Obama impersonation. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just that rhythm, that feel of the

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<v Speaker 1>southern preacher kind of that's that's popular.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually saw something the other day from Michelle Obama.

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<v Speaker 3>I meant to grab the audio because it's pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know when she did this, and I am

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<v Speaker 3>predisposed to not like her for some reason, mostly just

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<v Speaker 3>because of the fawning over or it's not her fault

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<v Speaker 3>that everybody fawns over the way they do and talk

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<v Speaker 3>about her being president what and and get her book?

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<v Speaker 1>Why?

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<v Speaker 3>But she was she was on some interview show and

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<v Speaker 3>she was talking about her husband and she said, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>me and the girls. This is when the girls would

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<v Speaker 3>have been younger and still at home. We all know

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<v Speaker 3>the look. We all know the sound when Dad starts

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<v Speaker 3>to go into his lecture voice and we all look

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<v Speaker 3>at each other and roll our eyes. Okay, here he goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Why'd you get him started? Which I thought was pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that brings back such warm memories as sitting around

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<v Speaker 1>the dinner table, which was sacred at the Getty household,

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<v Speaker 1>and how I would launch you in one of my

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<v Speaker 1>screeds about you know, the Constitution or the nature of

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<v Speaker 1>liberty or something like that. And as younger kids, the

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<v Speaker 1>clue was the blank look. Right as older kids it

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<v Speaker 1>progressed to the eye roll, and then when they were

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<v Speaker 1>older still it'd be like, Okay, here we go, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'd all laugh about it because I'm self aware enough

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<v Speaker 1>to know, oh, here I go on a screen, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like what Henry said to me the other day.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Dad, everything doesn't have to be a life lesson.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm explaining to let it happen, Pop, Just a minor

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<v Speaker 3>thing doesn't have to be a life lesson. That is hilarious, beautiful,

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<v Speaker 3>one funny thing before we take a break, just to

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you sent this out, Katie or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a video that I'm gonna send out to everybody

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<v Speaker 3>of a bald eagle landing next to a trump Yard sign,

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<v Speaker 3>which is hilarious, set to the national anthem.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the beautiful part of the video.

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<v Speaker 3>A bald eagle floating down next to a trump Yard

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<v Speaker 3>sign for real.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy just happens to drive by. That is really funny.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a sign. That is a sign from the heavens.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. That is something. Later this hour you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna hear from Elon Muskin what he thinks is gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Be the biggest product of all time, which, if it

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<v Speaker 3>works the way he claims it's gonna work, might actually be.

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<v Speaker 3>Among other things, we got on the way stairs, so I.

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<v Speaker 1>Took in.

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<v Speaker 3>A little of Elon Musk's big Tesla event because I

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<v Speaker 3>own a Tesla or care that much. But he was

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<v Speaker 3>going to do some other stuff in addition to that,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I read about it last night. Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 3>unveiled the Tesla cybercab robotaxis that he's going to call

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<v Speaker 3>a cybercab. He actually rode in on one at the

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<v Speaker 3>event and explained how they're going to work and they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be about thirty thousand dollars and he thinks

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<v Speaker 3>it's the future. Well, maybe I ought to play the

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<v Speaker 3>clip first so I know what's in the clip and

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<v Speaker 3>what's not. And then also these we robot things that

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<v Speaker 3>he displayed to here's Elon from the event last night.

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<v Speaker 7>It'll be as do anything you want, so it can

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<v Speaker 7>be a teacher of babysit your kids, that can walk

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<v Speaker 7>your dog, boi your loan, get the groceries, just be

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<v Speaker 7>your friend, serve drinks, whatever you can think of. Hey,

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<v Speaker 7>we'll do and yeah, it's gonna be awesome. I think

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<v Speaker 7>this will be the biggest product ever of any kind,

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<v Speaker 7>and we've made a lot of progress. You're really going

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<v Speaker 7>to have something spectacular, something that anyone could own at

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<v Speaker 7>scale the the you know, this would cost something like,

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know, twenty thirty thousand dollars, probably less than

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<v Speaker 7>a car. That's my prediction long time.

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<v Speaker 3>So these robots that he had on display, they all

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<v Speaker 3>came walking out. He had like a little I was

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<v Speaker 3>gonna say army of them, which is not the best imagery,

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<v Speaker 3>since I think that's what they're mostly curate. Mostly going

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<v Speaker 3>to be used for by nations. He had these robots

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<v Speaker 3>walk out with him behind the cyber cab that he

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<v Speaker 3>rode out in, which kind of looks like a it's

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<v Speaker 3>got a bit of a look of the cyber truck,

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<v Speaker 3>the way the doors open and everything like that. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no steering roll or anything like that. There's these benches

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<v Speaker 3>you sit in a cyber cab. Anyway, it rolled out

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<v Speaker 3>with him in it, and then a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>these we robots behind him. And then he does that

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<v Speaker 3>little speech where he talks about then they'll be able to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, help your kids with homework, or cook dinner,

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<v Speaker 3>or fold the laundry, or mow the lawn or all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of different things, or.

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<v Speaker 1>Reguard the concentration camps and for disobedient human humanoids.

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<v Speaker 3>And he said they're gonna be twenty or thirty thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>which is obviously a big chunk of money. That's not

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<v Speaker 3>like a minor thing to do. But if you had

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<v Speaker 3>an electronic slave more or less, you know, what would

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<v Speaker 3>that be worth for the amount of things that they

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<v Speaker 3>could do.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be this uncomfortable imagery. Can we just say,

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<v Speaker 1>robot wow, I had to go there. I suppose that's

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<v Speaker 1>not the best rated seller. But I don't pay any

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<v Speaker 1>machines around my house. I don't pay my vacuum cleaner.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not a living wage granted to our washing machine.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't consider them slaves.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, there will be we robot reparations in thirty years. No, no, no, oh.

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<v Speaker 3>But I could actually see a world where it's just

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<v Speaker 3>something everybody has. I mean, you factor into what it

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<v Speaker 3>costs to have a household. You have a house, you

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<v Speaker 3>have a car. Cars are and if you have washing

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<v Speaker 3>and dryer, they're expensive. You have a computer that's expensive,

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<v Speaker 3>all various things, and you're gonna have a wee robot

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<v Speaker 3>that does a whole bunch of different tasks for you.

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<v Speaker 3>I could easily believe that. Yeah, it's absolutely conceivable. You

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<v Speaker 3>can buy it on payments, that sort of thing. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how important it is that they dance, because

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<v Speaker 3>he had them dancing in a big cage at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Again some uncomfortable imagery.

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<v Speaker 3>But to the we cab and then he's gonna he

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<v Speaker 3>had something called a robovan, which is like a bigger

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<v Speaker 3>version where a whole bunch of people sit in there

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<v Speaker 3>with ben sheets, but he said, I think the cost

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<v Speaker 3>of autonomous transport will be so low that you can

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<v Speaker 3>think of it like individual individualized mass transit, which actually

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<v Speaker 3>like to me, he was like, Okay, now I get it,

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<v Speaker 3>individualized mass transit instead of this mass transit that has

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<v Speaker 3>not worked and it doesn't really work in any city

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<v Speaker 3>in America at the scale that they've always claimed. It's

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<v Speaker 3>going to the big city buses and the light rails

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff like that, tons of them driving around mostly

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<v Speaker 3>all the time, at great taxpayer expense. I could see

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<v Speaker 3>these more individualized mass transit going specific directions, which is

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<v Speaker 3>much more handy to you being way more successful.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just planning a trip yesterday in which I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to figure out does the hotel have a

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<v Speaker 1>shuttle to the airport or should I rent a car?

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<v Speaker 1>Blah blah. I could see, you know, certainly, you're reasonably

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<v Speaker 1>sized hotels having a couple of these things and you

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<v Speaker 1>just hop in in it and say to the airport,

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<v Speaker 1>and it takes you right, just as a service.

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<v Speaker 3>And the one troubling thing about the Wee robot was Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>mow the lawn, make the meals fold the laundry.

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<v Speaker 1>Be a friend. Be a friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell, be a friend is an entirely different category. That's

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<v Speaker 3>a completely different thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And you gotta be careful or it'll mow the dog

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<v Speaker 1>and walk the laundry. I mean. On a much more

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<v Speaker 1>serious note, Russia is losing thirteen hundred guys a day

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<v Speaker 1>from the battlefield in Ukraine. Yeah, they'd send in waves

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<v Speaker 1>of robots if they had them. Oh, of course, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>the Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>We're fishing in the middle of the road because this

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<v Speaker 3>road floods all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a guy coming behind us in a lawnmower.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't there.

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<v Speaker 4>That's America I've ever seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got people fishing in the road. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>a guy on a lawnmower.

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<v Speaker 4>He's doing all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So we've.

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<v Speaker 2>Got people fishing in the middle of the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I got on a lawnmower in the middle of the road.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm confused.

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<v Speaker 3>How is the lawnmower driving in the road if it's

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<v Speaker 3>deep enough to fish in?

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<v Speaker 1>That's my question. Shallow water on more fishing time there

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<v Speaker 1>in the holler anyway, I ain't that America for you

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<v Speaker 1>and me? So a couple of international stories of notes

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<v Speaker 1>still waiting for Israel to respond. As the spokesman said

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<v Speaker 1>the other day, it will be swift and terrible, but

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<v Speaker 1>mostly surprising above all. Surprising. Yeah, yeah. A couple of

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<v Speaker 1>headlines on that topic. Iran's secret warning to US allies,

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<v Speaker 1>don't help Israel or your next The threats through diplomatic

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<v Speaker 1>channels have prompted to Arab States to tell the US

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<v Speaker 1>they will not aid any attack on Iran.

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<v Speaker 3>I think my guess would be the reaction to that

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<v Speaker 3>of the Arab States is going to be, We've been

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<v Speaker 3>putting up with Iran long enough, let's do it, do it,

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<v Speaker 3>do it now.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not so far. I mean, they're acting as if

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<v Speaker 1>they're making it known we will not do anything to

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<v Speaker 1>help Israel at all.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no telling what's actually being said behind the scenes, though,

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<v Speaker 3>just no telling that's true. I mean again, I have

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<v Speaker 3>said this ten times, but one thing I get from

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<v Speaker 3>reading that David Sanger book, which I'm almost finished with

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<v Speaker 3>the New Cold Wars, is and what we get in

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<v Speaker 3>the press versus the conversations that are going at the

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<v Speaker 3>highest levels between diplomats.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know why we even paying any attention

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<v Speaker 1>to it well, and there's no foreign relations. That's more

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<v Speaker 1>a hall of mirrorsy than in the Musslim world. Because

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<v Speaker 1>these regimes, the Gulf States in particular, they understand the

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<v Speaker 1>modern world and they need to cooperate. They need investment.

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<v Speaker 1>They understand Israel's a good partner for stability in the region.

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<v Speaker 1>But they have a significant chunk of their population living

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<v Speaker 1>in the year eight hundred, right, I mean, just as

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentalists as fundamentalists can be. And so they make noises

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<v Speaker 1>and pound their chests and then down with the Zionists

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. But behind the scenes are making deals. So anyway, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens, and it hasn't happened yet, is anybody's guess.

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<v Speaker 1>This is so interesting. I've come across this in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of different places. Iran, now somewhat defanged of its proxies,

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<v Speaker 1>is hiring criminal gangs in the West to try to

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<v Speaker 1>hit Israeli targets, you know, political candidates. I mean, like

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<v Speaker 1>they they're on the record, is hiring some Hell's angels.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a case where they hired some goons to throw

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<v Speaker 1>hand grenades at the Israeli embassy in Stockholm and at

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<v Speaker 1>a Spanish politician shot in the face in broad daylight.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're hiring drug cartels and criminal gangs to do

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<v Speaker 1>their evil bidding, which is unfortunate. Speaking of crime, completely

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<v Speaker 1>different topic. Oh this from ocin defender Open Source Intelligence Defender,

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<v Speaker 1>great Twitter Accadeyes follow it. According to Reuter's, members of

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<v Speaker 1>the Golf Cooperative Council, including Saudi Arabian Qatar, have spoken

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<v Speaker 1>a senior US officials in recent days requesting that they

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<v Speaker 1>ask you is Real to not launch strikes against Iran's

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<v Speaker 1>oil industry due to fears that Orion would retaliate with

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<v Speaker 1>missile strikes against Golf oil refineries and other facilities. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why Saudi Arabia modern Qatar are so afraid. Anyway, I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, speaking of crime, this is so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Anderson in the City Journal our FBI crime statistics reliable,

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<v Speaker 1>and his subhead is the agency's process is shrouded in

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<v Speaker 1>mystery and its numbers are often inconsistent. And he talks

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<v Speaker 1>about how the mainstream media has recently trumpeted the Federal

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Investigations estimate that violent crime fell three percent

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<v Speaker 1>nationally from twenty two to twenty three. I've heard that

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred times.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm to the point where I completely ignore crime statistics

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<v Speaker 3>because I trust them so little.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would agree, but as Jeffrey Anderson writes, they

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<v Speaker 1>have largely ignored. However, the latest iteration of the Bureau

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<v Speaker 1>of Justice Statistics National Crime Victimization Survey, which we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about at length a couple of weeks ago, which found

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<v Speaker 1>a nine percent increase in property crime in urban areas

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<v Speaker 1>over that span, part of a twenty six percent rise

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<v Speaker 1>in urban property crime, alongside a whopping forty percent surgeon

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<v Speaker 1>urban but violent crime that happens to me from twenty

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen to twenty twenty three, so set aside for a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>The media is downplaying of that inconvenient urban crime data.

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<v Speaker 1>Are the FBI statistics really precise enough to make much

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<v Speaker 1>of a reported three percent annual change in violent crime?

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought thought this was so interesting. Trying to

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<v Speaker 1>decipher how the FBI produces its statistics and what those

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<v Speaker 1>numbers even are is a lot like combing through a

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<v Speaker 1>crime scene and searching for clues. The agency's process, such

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<v Speaker 1>as how it tries to estimate unreported figures. So if

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<v Speaker 1>a city or a county or whatever doesn't report it,

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<v Speaker 1>they estimate what those numbers probably are. The hell is

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<v Speaker 1>that has long been a black box, even to the

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<v Speaker 1>Bureau of Justice Statistics, the Department of Justice's actual statistical agency.

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<v Speaker 1>Things have become even more cryptic of late, as the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI has struggled to implement its new crime reporting system,

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<v Speaker 1>adopted nationally in twenty twenty one. That new system makes

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<v Speaker 1>Year to ear your comparisons more challenging, in part because

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<v Speaker 1>only eighty five percent of agencies provided data for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three. In other words, the FBI is capturing only

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<v Speaker 1>a portion of crimes reported to police. And he gets

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<v Speaker 1>into a fair amount of detail, and we'll have this

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<v Speaker 1>linked at Armstrong and getty dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, so if you start at the local level of

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<v Speaker 3>lots of crimes don't get reported, and then you take

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<v Speaker 3>it on up to the other stuff you're just talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>you could be wildly off.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's it's a wild guess. And his main

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<v Speaker 1>premises to accept all of these statistical methodological shortcomings and

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<v Speaker 1>then trumpet a three percent change is insane and.

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<v Speaker 3>Then claim completely invalid and then claim obviously that see

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<v Speaker 3>our policies are working right, yeah, yeah, because crime could

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<v Speaker 3>be so. So that's yet another layer. So even if

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<v Speaker 3>it were true that crime went down three percent, that

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<v Speaker 3>number being so tiny, to claim that any particular policy

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<v Speaker 3>did it would be way too premature because you don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Lots of things can cause that to go up or

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<v Speaker 3>down a couple of percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and then one final thing that will blow your

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<v Speaker 1>dang mind. But after a quick word from simply Safe

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<v Speaker 1>home Security, which is a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>The FBI also has a history of offering multiple and

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<v Speaker 1>For example, how many violent crimes were committed nationwide in

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting Program website. Its source data

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<v Speaker 1>indicates it's two hundred and seventy two eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twelve such crimes. Okay, But the bureau's twenty twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>press release announcing the publication of the twenty twenty Crime

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<v Speaker 1>Data PEG the figure at five thousand more. Then in

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty one crime statistics and claimed that the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty figure had actually been ah fifty thousand more.

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<v Speaker 1>Add in the FBI's data discovery tool, which currently lists

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty twenty total as another completely wildly different number,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have four different figures for one.

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<v Speaker 3>Statistic, right, And then again, starting with the idea of

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<v Speaker 3>how many violent crimes were committed in twenty twenty, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no way to have any idea because lots and lots

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<v Speaker 3>of them don't get reported. But of those reported, here's

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<v Speaker 3>our number. And then you still end up with four

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<v Speaker 3>different numbers. And he points out, and I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not to say the FBI is doing anything nefarious,

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<v Speaker 3>but rather that the media is putting too much faith

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<v Speaker 3>in a crime data, or at least by an entity

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<v Speaker 3>that isn't a principal federal statistical agency. That's not what

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<v Speaker 3>they do. Excellent point. And of course their media picks

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<v Speaker 3>out whichever number works best for whatever politic narrative they're

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<v Speaker 3>particularly pushing. And indeed, the Bureau of Justice Statistics National

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<v Speaker 3>Crime Victimization Survey. The NCVS is the one to look to. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it goes into towns and cities all across America. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>were you a victim of a crime?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I didn't bother to report it because the

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<v Speaker 1>cops never do anything that is worth knowing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting yesterday when you said there are neighborhoods where

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<v Speaker 3>if you've gotten if somebody shoved you against a wall

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<v Speaker 3>and took your iPhone and ran off, you wouldn't report it.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd never really thought about that before, would I.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure I would. I think I probably would.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably depends on where I was, if I happened to

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<v Speaker 3>be if I happen to be walking well, like where

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<v Speaker 3>I live, yeah, I would definitely report it. And in

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<v Speaker 3>my cul de Sac that would be weird. But like

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm in a bad area of Oakland for some reason,

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<v Speaker 3>like I left a ballgame, I'm not sure would it

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<v Speaker 3>be worth the hassle of waiting for the cops to

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<v Speaker 3>show up and filling out the paperwork is like before

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<v Speaker 3>I head to my car and go home.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not? Yeah, I probably not.

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<v Speaker 3>What do I think I'm gonna get out of that.

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<v Speaker 3>There's not a chance I'm getting my phone back. Not

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<v Speaker 3>a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a chance the guy gets arrested, even if they

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<v Speaker 1>caught him with my phone. There's some there are some

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<v Speaker 1>cop shops that will do the find my I phone

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:22.320
<v Speaker 1>thing and go and confront the people. But I have

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<v Speaker 1>a feeling the peace officers in Oakland are a little business. Okay,

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>picks up else your watch, slayings and hackings and that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing, your watch or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm if I'm in a if I'm in a

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco on Market Street and somebody knocks me down

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<v Speaker 3>and takes my watch, what good would it do me

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<v Speaker 3>to call the cops other than lengthen my day and annoyance?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a strong arm robbery, I'm thinking I report. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure. I don't know. I've never been there, hope

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<v Speaker 1>I never. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Is pretty crazy though, that that's even a question in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of places. Well, how about this, Uh speak

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<v Speaker 3>to San Francisco. You you park over there so you can,

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, walk along the Golden Gate bridge over there

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<v Speaker 3>on the other side, and your car gets broken into

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<v Speaker 3>just like your brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you call anybody? There's zero points. Not everybody knows

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<v Speaker 1>cars get broken into one hundred and seventy five times

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<v Speaker 1>a day.

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<v Speaker 4>There.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the only the only thing I would think about.

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<v Speaker 3>Does having a I reported it help my insurance claim?

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<v Speaker 3>Other than that it doesn't make any difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Hey, yet another controversy at CBS news. Man,

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>are they screwed up? They are? They have allowed themselves

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<v Speaker 1>to be dragged far far from journalism as anybody recognizes it.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool the Tiffany Network, Well this is good.

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<v Speaker 3>I like this, and not only does it put pressure

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<v Speaker 3>on CBS, it puts pressure on everybody else to realize, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>this can turn into a big negative story that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to hurt us if we go too far down the

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<v Speaker 3>road of fixing you putting our thumb on the scale.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's good news. Got that and other stuff on

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<v Speaker 3>the way, Stay armstrong, And I need to carve out

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<v Speaker 3>some time for watching television when my kids aren't around,

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<v Speaker 3>because I want to watch some of the new Menendez

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<v Speaker 3>Brothers stuff that's come out.

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<v Speaker 1>There's both the mini series thing and a documentary, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix documentary. I want to see the Penguin on HBO.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear that's really good, But so which one. Have

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<v Speaker 1>you watched Katie one or both?

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<v Speaker 6>So I've watched a few episodes of the series, and

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<v Speaker 6>then I watched the actual documentary that they just put out,

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<v Speaker 6>Brothers Mendez.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your takeaway? The what's his name? Gascone in la is.

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<v Speaker 3>Claiming he's gonna They're gonna be out in time for Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 6>Dude, Then then he's he's releasing two killers. They it's

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<v Speaker 6>just the yeah, I did not I I got the

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<v Speaker 6>same vibe as like I do from Scott Peterson saying like, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't do it. I need to get out of there.

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<v Speaker 6>They they're just they're very slick. Well, nobody who's doubting

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<v Speaker 6>that they killed their parents. That's never been in doubt,

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:07.640
<v Speaker 6>but just whether or not the parents had it coming.

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<v Speaker 6>And it was basically.

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<v Speaker 1>A yeah, I got the idea, and Katie you can

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<v Speaker 1>confirm her tonight that the tone of the documentary was

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<v Speaker 1>that they were victims of terrible sexual abuse and the

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 1>parents really kind of had it coming and they need

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<v Speaker 1>a new trial and they need to get out or

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<v Speaker 1>is it less heavy handed than that, No, it's it.

0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 1>You've you've pretty much nailed it.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, they're definitely selling it as that these poor guys,

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<v Speaker 6>the life that they had to live prior to this happening, anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be driven to which can't happen. Yeah, it can happen.

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<v Speaker 6>But when you listen to them talk, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 6>just I don't know, there's something manufactured about what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>To me. Mm hm. That's that's your instinct as a

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<v Speaker 1>human being, though I think that you recognized as something.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I want to squeeze some facts in before

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 1>we run out of time. Fact Alan Alan Abrahamson, who's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a he's a writer and covered the original trial

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.080
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety three trials there were two of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and his headline is don't feel sorry for the Menendez brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>And he goes into the Netflix documentary and what the

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.280
<v Speaker 1>defense lawyers have put forward. Recently discovered letter written by

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<v Speaker 1>Eric eight months before the shooting that they asserted suggest

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<v Speaker 1>the sexual abuse by the father was on going into

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the brother's teenage years. Is it this so called abuse excuse?

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 1>So what? Lyle and Eric Menendez are stone cold murderers.

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>On August twenty, nineteen eighty nine, using shotguns, they killed

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>the parents at close range in the Beverly Hills Home.

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<v Speaker 3>Now at least one juror has come out and said,

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<v Speaker 3>if I'd have known of that letter, which wasn't available

0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:46.280
<v Speaker 3>at the time in the trial, I'd have thought differently.

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.600
<v Speaker 3>But you know that didn't necessarily mean anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, having served on a handful of juries, there are

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>lunkheads every morning. You've got to your hardest challenge is

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 1>a juror is dealing with the lunkheads. Then it's the evidence.

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 1>But so this guy who covered the trial says the

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<v Speaker 1>brother's abuse excuses. I wrote in the La Times preview

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<v Speaker 1>piece marked an effort to quote test an emerging legal strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is back the original trial that portrays abused children

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<v Speaker 1>as victims a kind of battered woman and justified in

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 1>killing in self defense. Before the trial, I interviewed a judge.

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<v Speaker 1>He told me, in this day and age, it's become

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<v Speaker 1>de regre, meaning it always happens in parricide cases to

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<v Speaker 1>claim this abuse. If you kill your dad, you claim abuse.

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 1>The father has gone, the mother has gone, The sympathy

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<v Speaker 1>lies with the children, and the people in the fourth

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>of state tend to make such claims plausible. Let's face it,

0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 1>it sells a lot of soap. But then Abrahamson gets

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<v Speaker 1>into the idea that abuse does not justify or excuse

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:51.360
<v Speaker 1>revenge killing. The legal doctrine is, for instance, an abused spouse,

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<v Speaker 1>you're afraid you're about to be killed, so it's self defense.

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.520
<v Speaker 1>That there's a legal term for it. It's like imperfect

0:33:59.520 --> 0:34:02.960
<v Speaker 1>self defense or something like that. But killing someone isn't

0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:04.960
<v Speaker 1>self defense unless you believe they're about to kill you.

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 1>That's not the case. He goes into the details.

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<v Speaker 3>So if your dad's coming to abuse you again, you

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 3>could kill him in self defense, perhaps, but you can't

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 3>just be angry about it a year later and go kill.

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<v Speaker 1>Him right right. Indeed, about four months after the killings,

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<v Speaker 1>they met with a Beverly Hills psychologist. They talked in

0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.640
<v Speaker 1>confidence about why they killed their parents. If ever there

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.280
<v Speaker 1>would have been a time to confide their deepest, darkest secret,

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 1>this would have been it. But no, not once did

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 1>either claim to have been sexually abused. Really, is it

0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>any wonder that the defense fought for years to keep

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:40.280
<v Speaker 1>this tape a secret. Instead of saying they were afraid

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 1>for their lives, Lyle said his father had been unfaithful,

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 1>causing Kitty to turn the liquor and pills, so we

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 1>thought we would just kill dad and eliminate the problem.

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>And the mother, well, killing her was just putting her

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.400
<v Speaker 1>out of her misery. Really, why said.

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Were they just mentally ill or out? Did both of

0:34:54.480 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 3>them end up so crazy? Couple of socio paths.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, And one of the things that was that came

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:02.919
<v Speaker 6>up in this documentary is one of the brothers talked

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<v Speaker 6>about how the reason they decided to go kill the

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 6>parents was because they thought the parents were in that

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<v Speaker 6>room planning to kill them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the new spin.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, they can't both be delusional with the same delusion.

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 3>That doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So almost no journalist writing about the case today is

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<v Speaker 1>cited the decision by the US Ninth Circuit Court of

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<v Speaker 1>Appeals in five after the brothers were found guilty in

0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the second trial. It destroys arguments advanced on half of

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:30.399
<v Speaker 1>the brothers. Lyle is dismissed in a footnote quote. In fact,

0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.359
<v Speaker 1>evidence that Lyle ever feared his parents is so weak

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>in the record that his claim could be rejected without discussion.

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:41.360
<v Speaker 1>But these an innocent person has been convicted and we

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 1>need to free them. Feel of podcasts and documentaries it's hot.

0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 1>It's super hot. So you pick a case, you manipulate

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<v Speaker 1>the facts, you carefully choose this. You're portray it as

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. You shine the light from that side, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a winner.

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<v Speaker 3>So why did they kill their parents, Katie, You've watched

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<v Speaker 3>enough of this stuff. They're just evil, well because they

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<v Speaker 3>were saying the abuse. But there's a money spind It's

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<v Speaker 3>it's a really tangled web that they're they're showing us

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<v Speaker 3>in this documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll have to check that out.

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<v Speaker 3>If you missed an hour of this show, get the

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<v Speaker 3>podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand

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<v Speaker 1>Armstrong and Getty