1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, I'm strong 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: and Jetty and he Armstrong and Yeddy. 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: I don't want more divisions. And I'll tell you what 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: else I don't want. I don't want his negativity. 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,279 Speaker 1: I'm sick and tired of it. I'm sick of it. 7 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: The dude's a whiner, right, As we can say to 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 2: our kids as they were growing up, don't be. 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: A whining pants, right. 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: I got a message to Donald Trump, stop talking America. 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: Stop it. Who is that young fire band? Wow? 12 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: Listen to the crowd go wild for Josh Shapiro saying 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: tired of hearing Trumps talk in America. First of all, 14 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 3: First of all, you've got to tone down your Barack 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:07,559 Speaker 3: Obama impersonation. It was okay, you know, nine months ago, 16 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: when you're kind of vying for being the running mate. 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 3: But now that Obama's on the trail and I heard 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,639 Speaker 3: him a lot yesterday when you got him side by side, 19 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: it's a little too much that you're just like doing 20 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 3: a dead on Barack Obama impersonation. But the reason we 21 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 3: played Josh Shapiro is to compare and contrast to Tim Walls, 22 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: who is on Good Morning America today being interviewed by 23 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 3: Michael Strahan, the football player. I don't know why I 24 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 3: keep saying that, because it's not like you can't be 25 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 3: a football player and go on to whatever other career 26 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 3: you want to be. 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: I think he's probably had a longer career as a 28 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: show host, right, TV show host? Probably? 29 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, what was I going to say? Well, he's not 30 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 3: a trained journalist. I guess that's my point. He didn't 31 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: go to Jay School at Columbia to try to get 32 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: the truth out of these candidates. He is a football 33 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: player and got hired on this show and kind of 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: worked his way from sports to personality to interviewing, and 35 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: he's just asking kind of like normal questions. 36 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: I'd much rather have that than somebody went to day 37 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: school at Columbia, I would agree. I think I had 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: another point before I got to that. I't remember what it. 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 3: Was anyway, It'll come to me later. Here is a 40 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 3: little of Tim Walls being asked the same question he's 41 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: been asked many times. Still doesn't have a great answer. 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 4: I call yourself a knucklehead because you've made some statements 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 4: that just aren't true. In a comment about weapon of 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 4: the war that I carried in ward, which you didn't, 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 4: you said that you were in Hong Kong during a 46 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 4: Tan and then Square massacre when you weren't. You kind 47 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 4: of chalked it all up to bad grammar or getting 48 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 4: the dates wrong. But your opponents say you lied to make. 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: Yourself look better. Do they have a point? 50 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 5: Well, look, thirty five years ago, got the opportunity to 51 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 5: be in Hong Kong, be in China, served twenty four 52 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 5: years in the National Guard, passionately in an instance talking 53 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 5: about gun violence in schools on an instance there, Proud 54 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 5: of the service that I've done, Proud to be a 55 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 5: teacher in that classroom, Proud to have been very public 56 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 5: all these years, and owning him when I know said, look, 57 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 5: I was there in August of eighty nine, and I 58 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 5: think what you see here you saw in Minnesota. I've 59 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 5: been elected eight times here. These things have been very 60 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 5: public for folks here. They see the results of things 61 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 5: that we passed. We see a state that's a top 62 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 5: five state for business. We see third best state, top 63 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 5: three state for raising a child, and we've got the 64 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 5: best healthcare. 65 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: Just not good at it. See the heavy handedness of 66 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: the I'm trying to distract you. This is irrelevant, but 67 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: it makes me look better. It's just so obvious. 68 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: So he immediately went to the well, look, I served 69 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: in the National Guard. 70 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: I'm proud of that service. What I'm a teacher. 71 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: What we're just talking about you claiming here in China 72 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 3: at a different time than you said? 73 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: What is what he's trying to do? And this is 74 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: after what. 75 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 3: A full week of getting beaten up on his answer 76 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 3: over that? 77 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 6: What? 78 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? And I'm a knucklehead at times, you are knucklehea times. 79 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: We all are most times, it would appear perhaps all 80 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: the time. And what's especially disturbing about that and Kamala 81 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: Harris's utter inability to answer the question what would you 82 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: do differently than the Biden Harris administration is those answers 83 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: are not difficult to construct. He didn't ask an unanswerable question. 84 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: These people are you know? To paraphrase something I read 85 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: earlier from I think it was a Wall Street journal, 86 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: the problem Kamala Harris has is not that she's being 87 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: seen enough. It's that she is being seen likewise Wallace, 88 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: He's just terrible at it. Is not your own damn business. 89 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: Let's hear another question from just a couple hours ago. 90 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 4: Actually, well, you know, but if it's one thing to trust, 91 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 4: be some people who say we can't trust him even 92 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 4: tell the truth about himself. 93 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 5: What do you say to them? Well, I said, they 94 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 5: know who I am. I know who I am, I 95 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 5: know the work that I've done. I know that things 96 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 5: get get spun in a political environment. But I think 97 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 5: what they see is if they want to compare that 98 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 5: talking about immigration policy or seeing the things that Donald 99 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 5: Trump would say, I think there's a big difference than 100 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 5: missing a date when you're there and again spinning something 101 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 5: for a political reason. I'm very clear of who I've been. 102 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 5: I'm very proud of twenty four years of doing that work, 103 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 5: and I think going to Congress and working for veterans, 104 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 5: they want to see it and make the difference look 105 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 5: a little different. I think people in Minnesota, my students, 106 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 5: the folks i've worked with members of Congress, they know 107 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 5: who I am, and they know the policies we put 108 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 5: in place have made an impact. 109 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: He does that is major Network Morning TV. They are 110 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: taking on water. 111 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't do word salad like Kamala Harris does. 112 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: He does extraneous details or like non related anecdotes. 113 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: He answers, but all self serving and flattering in a 114 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: way that's again heavy, head't and obvious. The only reason 115 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: you just brought that up is it makes you look good, 116 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: and you're trying to distract me from the fact that 117 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: you're not answering my question. It's just it's not even skillful. 118 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: We'll just punish you with one more of these. 119 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 4: And Vice President harrisaid, as she told you to be 120 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 4: a little bit more careful on how you say things. 121 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 5: Well, I did it, you know, even the other day 122 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 5: of just speaking passionately about these gun violence situations and 123 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 5: meeting with these survivors. I've said in the room with 124 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 5: the Sandy Hook folks, a friend with David Hogg, who's 125 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 5: been an activist on this. People know in that, and 126 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 5: then that gets spun him that well, he didn't say 127 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 5: something true. It was very clear that I was talking 128 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 5: about these veterans, very clear that I wear you know, 129 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 5: I wear my emotions on my sleeve, and I do 130 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 5: think in these positions, whether it be governor or being 131 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 5: bunch president of the United States, you do need to 132 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 5: be collect careful. You do need to be a little 133 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 5: more thoughtful on it. And I think what you see 134 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 5: as as someone who's been in classrooms a lot, I 135 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 5: been around coaching a lot. I speak passionately, and I 136 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 5: think doing that, you need to combine the two. 137 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: So I've become friends with school shooters. 138 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what that one was about. 139 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: Do you what they were talking about there? Did he? 140 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: He stepped in it the other day talking with victims. 141 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: Of school shootings. I can't remember exactly what it was 142 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: that he said, and I'm not I'm not hung up 143 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: on that one in that telor. I just his uh yeah, 144 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: I wish I could remember, because I know I read 145 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: about it. But he's I was just going to say, 146 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: coming out of that clip, he's just not major league talent. Correct, Yeah, 147 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: he's not up to the challenges. And you know, I 148 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: can I have some sympathy, at least theoretically that the 149 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: whole vetting process and campaign was super compressed and they 150 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: didn't have time blah blah blah. But Kamala harrisoning, you 151 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: know what's what's a great example of a great decision 152 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: you've made choosing Tim Walls as Vice president. 153 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: Oh boy, Well, that's why we played that Josh Shapiro 154 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: clip right there, because he is major league talent and 155 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: everybody knew yeah, and he continues to spray, you know, 156 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:58,239 Speaker 3: he's a Jew. 157 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: We can't have a chat a jew on the turn 158 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. Where's he gonna go on? What are 159 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: you gonna shund a jew into Michigan? What? You can't 160 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: do that in the Democratic Party. 161 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: So if she ends up losing, that will be one 162 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 3: of the things campaign historians point two as a bad move, 163 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: choosing Tim Walls over Josh Shapiro, who who not only 164 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: is way better at campaigning, but he's the governor of 165 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: the freaking must win state of Pennsylvania. 166 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: Where he's incredibly popular. Right, although you're you're so right, 167 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: you don't open for I don't know you two by 168 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: doing like a U two imitation. They're in your opening set, 169 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: and Josh Shapiro's got to drop the Obama imitation when 170 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: he's speaking. In fact, when we I didn't know what 171 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: the clip Jack had had chosen, and when he started, 172 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: I thought that's Obama, but he sounds different. Really thought 173 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: it was really the first sentence, I thought it was 174 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: Obama yeah, yeah, yeah. 175 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: Did he always talk that way and it's just a 176 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: coincidence or did he pick that up from years of 177 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 3: listening to Obama? 178 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: Is he young? Sixty three? Again, Mike, just the beginning. 179 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: I don't want more divisions. And I'll tell you what 180 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: else I don't want. I don't want his negativity. 181 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: I'm sick and tired of it. Yeah, okay, that's plenty. 182 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: That's just yeah. I thought, why does her mama sound 183 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: like that? That's one hundred percent Barack Obama impersonation. Yeah. 184 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: I think it's just that rhythm, that feel of the 185 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: southern preacher kind of that's that's popular. 186 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: I actually saw something the other day from Michelle Obama. 187 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: I meant to grab the audio because it's pretty funny. 188 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: I don't know when she did this, and I am 189 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: predisposed to not like her for some reason, mostly just 190 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: because of the fawning over or it's not her fault 191 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 3: that everybody fawns over the way they do and talk 192 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 3: about her being president what and and get her book? 193 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: Why? 194 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: But she was she was on some interview show and 195 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 3: she was talking about her husband and she said, oh, yeah, 196 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 3: me and the girls. This is when the girls would 197 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 3: have been younger and still at home. We all know 198 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: the look. We all know the sound when Dad starts 199 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: to go into his lecture voice and we all look 200 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 3: at each other and roll our eyes. Okay, here he goes. 201 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 3: Why'd you get him started? Which I thought was pretty funny. 202 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, that brings back such warm memories as sitting around 203 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: the dinner table, which was sacred at the Getty household, 204 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: and how I would launch you in one of my 205 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: screeds about you know, the Constitution or the nature of 206 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: liberty or something like that. And as younger kids, the 207 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: clue was the blank look. Right as older kids it 208 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: progressed to the eye roll, and then when they were 209 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: older still it'd be like, Okay, here we go, and 210 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: we'd all laugh about it because I'm self aware enough 211 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: to know, oh, here I go on a screen, and yeah, 212 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: it's good. 213 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: It's like what Henry said to me the other day. 214 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: You know, Dad, everything doesn't have to be a life lesson. 215 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: I'm explaining to let it happen, Pop, Just a minor 216 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: thing doesn't have to be a life lesson. That is hilarious, beautiful, 217 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: one funny thing before we take a break, just to 218 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 3: I don't know if you sent this out, Katie or whatever. 219 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 3: It's a video that I'm gonna send out to everybody 220 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 3: of a bald eagle landing next to a trump Yard sign, 221 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 3: which is hilarious, set to the national anthem. 222 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: That's the beautiful part of the video. 223 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: A bald eagle floating down next to a trump Yard 224 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: sign for real. 225 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: The guy just happens to drive by. That is really funny. 226 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: That's a sign. That is a sign from the heavens. 227 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god. That is something. Later this hour you're 228 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: gonna hear from Elon Muskin what he thinks is gonna. 229 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 3: Be the biggest product of all time, which, if it 230 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 3: works the way he claims it's gonna work, might actually be. 231 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: Among other things, we got on the way stairs, so I. 232 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: Took in. 233 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 3: A little of Elon Musk's big Tesla event because I 234 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 3: own a Tesla or care that much. But he was 235 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: going to do some other stuff in addition to that, 236 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: and then I read about it last night. Elon Musk 237 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: unveiled the Tesla cybercab robotaxis that he's going to call 238 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 3: a cybercab. He actually rode in on one at the 239 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 3: event and explained how they're going to work and they're 240 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: going to be about thirty thousand dollars and he thinks 241 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 3: it's the future. Well, maybe I ought to play the 242 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: clip first so I know what's in the clip and 243 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 3: what's not. And then also these we robot things that 244 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: he displayed to here's Elon from the event last night. 245 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 7: It'll be as do anything you want, so it can 246 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 7: be a teacher of babysit your kids, that can walk 247 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 7: your dog, boi your loan, get the groceries, just be 248 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 7: your friend, serve drinks, whatever you can think of. Hey, 249 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 7: we'll do and yeah, it's gonna be awesome. I think 250 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 7: this will be the biggest product ever of any kind, 251 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 7: and we've made a lot of progress. You're really going 252 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 7: to have something spectacular, something that anyone could own at 253 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 7: scale the the you know, this would cost something like, 254 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 7: I don't know, twenty thirty thousand dollars, probably less than 255 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 7: a car. That's my prediction long time. 256 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: So these robots that he had on display, they all 257 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 3: came walking out. He had like a little I was 258 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: gonna say army of them, which is not the best imagery, 259 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 3: since I think that's what they're mostly curate. Mostly going 260 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: to be used for by nations. He had these robots 261 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: walk out with him behind the cyber cab that he 262 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 3: rode out in, which kind of looks like a it's 263 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: got a bit of a look of the cyber truck, 264 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 3: the way the doors open and everything like that. There's 265 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 3: no steering roll or anything like that. There's these benches 266 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 3: you sit in a cyber cab. Anyway, it rolled out 267 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 3: with him in it, and then a whole bunch of 268 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: these we robots behind him. And then he does that 269 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 3: little speech where he talks about then they'll be able to, 270 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: you know, help your kids with homework, or cook dinner, 271 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 3: or fold the laundry, or mow the lawn or all 272 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: kinds of different things, or. 273 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: Reguard the concentration camps and for disobedient human humanoids. 274 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 3: And he said they're gonna be twenty or thirty thousand dollars, 275 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 3: which is obviously a big chunk of money. That's not 276 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 3: like a minor thing to do. But if you had 277 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 3: an electronic slave more or less, you know, what would 278 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: that be worth for the amount of things that they 279 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: could do. 280 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be this uncomfortable imagery. Can we just say, 281 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: robot wow, I had to go there. I suppose that's 282 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: not the best rated seller. But I don't pay any 283 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: machines around my house. I don't pay my vacuum cleaner. 284 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: There's not a living wage granted to our washing machine. 285 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: I don't consider them slaves. 286 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: Unfortunately, there will be we robot reparations in thirty years. No, no, no, oh. 287 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: But I could actually see a world where it's just 288 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: something everybody has. I mean, you factor into what it 289 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 3: costs to have a household. You have a house, you 290 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: have a car. Cars are and if you have washing 291 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: and dryer, they're expensive. You have a computer that's expensive, 292 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: all various things, and you're gonna have a wee robot 293 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: that does a whole bunch of different tasks for you. 294 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: I could easily believe that. Yeah, it's absolutely conceivable. You 295 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: can buy it on payments, that sort of thing. I 296 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 3: don't know how important it is that they dance, because 297 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 3: he had them dancing in a big cage at the 298 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: end of the thing. 299 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: Again some uncomfortable imagery. 300 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: But to the we cab and then he's gonna he 301 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: had something called a robovan, which is like a bigger 302 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 3: version where a whole bunch of people sit in there 303 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: with ben sheets, but he said, I think the cost 304 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 3: of autonomous transport will be so low that you can 305 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: think of it like individual individualized mass transit, which actually 306 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 3: like to me, he was like, Okay, now I get it, 307 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: individualized mass transit instead of this mass transit that has 308 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: not worked and it doesn't really work in any city 309 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 3: in America at the scale that they've always claimed. It's 310 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: going to the big city buses and the light rails 311 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 3: and stuff like that, tons of them driving around mostly 312 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 3: all the time, at great taxpayer expense. I could see 313 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: these more individualized mass transit going specific directions, which is 314 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 3: much more handy to you being way more successful. 315 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: I was just planning a trip yesterday in which I 316 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: was trying to figure out does the hotel have a 317 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: shuttle to the airport or should I rent a car? 318 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: Blah blah. I could see, you know, certainly, you're reasonably 319 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: sized hotels having a couple of these things and you 320 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: just hop in in it and say to the airport, 321 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: and it takes you right, just as a service. 322 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 3: And the one troubling thing about the Wee robot was Okay, 323 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 3: mow the lawn, make the meals fold the laundry. 324 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: Be a friend. Be a friend. 325 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: Hell, be a friend is an entirely different category. That's 326 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 3: a completely different thing. 327 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: And you gotta be careful or it'll mow the dog 328 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: and walk the laundry. I mean. On a much more 329 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: serious note, Russia is losing thirteen hundred guys a day 330 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: from the battlefield in Ukraine. Yeah, they'd send in waves 331 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: of robots if they had them. Oh, of course, Oh 332 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: the Armstrong and Getty. 333 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: We're fishing in the middle of the road because this 334 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 3: road floods all the time. 335 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: And there's a guy coming behind us in a lawnmower. 336 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: Isn't there. 337 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 4: That's America I've ever seen it. 338 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: So we've got people fishing in the road. We've got 339 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: a guy on a lawnmower. 340 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 4: He's doing all right. 341 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we've. 342 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 2: Got people fishing in the middle of the road. 343 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: I got on a lawnmower in the middle of the road. 344 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: I'm confused. 345 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 3: How is the lawnmower driving in the road if it's 346 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 3: deep enough to fish in? 347 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: That's my question. Shallow water on more fishing time there 348 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: in the holler anyway, I ain't that America for you 349 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: and me? So a couple of international stories of notes 350 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: still waiting for Israel to respond. As the spokesman said 351 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: the other day, it will be swift and terrible, but 352 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: mostly surprising above all. Surprising. Yeah, yeah. A couple of 353 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: headlines on that topic. Iran's secret warning to US allies, 354 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: don't help Israel or your next The threats through diplomatic 355 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: channels have prompted to Arab States to tell the US 356 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: they will not aid any attack on Iran. 357 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 3: I think my guess would be the reaction to that 358 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 3: of the Arab States is going to be, We've been 359 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 3: putting up with Iran long enough, let's do it, do it, 360 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 3: do it now. 361 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: They're not so far. I mean, they're acting as if 362 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: they're making it known we will not do anything to 363 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: help Israel at all. 364 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: There's no telling what's actually being said behind the scenes, though, 365 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: just no telling that's true. I mean again, I have 366 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 3: said this ten times, but one thing I get from 367 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: reading that David Sanger book, which I'm almost finished with 368 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: the New Cold Wars, is and what we get in 369 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: the press versus the conversations that are going at the 370 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 3: highest levels between diplomats. 371 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: I don't even know why we even paying any attention 372 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: to it well, and there's no foreign relations. That's more 373 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: a hall of mirrorsy than in the Musslim world. Because 374 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: these regimes, the Gulf States in particular, they understand the 375 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: modern world and they need to cooperate. They need investment. 376 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: They understand Israel's a good partner for stability in the region. 377 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: But they have a significant chunk of their population living 378 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: in the year eight hundred, right, I mean, just as 379 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: fundamentalists as fundamentalists can be. And so they make noises 380 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: and pound their chests and then down with the Zionists 381 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 1: or whatever. But behind the scenes are making deals. So anyway, yeah, 382 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: what happens, and it hasn't happened yet, is anybody's guess. 383 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: This is so interesting. I've come across this in a 384 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 1: couple of different places. Iran, now somewhat defanged of its proxies, 385 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: is hiring criminal gangs in the West to try to 386 00:19:54,600 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 1: hit Israeli targets, you know, political candidates. I mean, like 387 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: they they're on the record, is hiring some Hell's angels. 388 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: Here's a case where they hired some goons to throw 389 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: hand grenades at the Israeli embassy in Stockholm and at 390 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: a Spanish politician shot in the face in broad daylight. 391 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: And they're hiring drug cartels and criminal gangs to do 392 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: their evil bidding, which is unfortunate. Speaking of crime, completely 393 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: different topic. Oh this from ocin defender Open Source Intelligence Defender, 394 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: great Twitter Accadeyes follow it. According to Reuter's, members of 395 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: the Golf Cooperative Council, including Saudi Arabian Qatar, have spoken 396 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: a senior US officials in recent days requesting that they 397 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: ask you is Real to not launch strikes against Iran's 398 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: oil industry due to fears that Orion would retaliate with 399 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: missile strikes against Golf oil refineries and other facilities. That's 400 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: why Saudi Arabia modern Qatar are so afraid. Anyway, I 401 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: was gonna say, speaking of crime, this is so good. 402 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: Jeff Anderson in the City Journal our FBI crime statistics reliable, 403 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: and his subhead is the agency's process is shrouded in 404 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: mystery and its numbers are often inconsistent. And he talks 405 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: about how the mainstream media has recently trumpeted the Federal 406 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: Bureau of Investigations estimate that violent crime fell three percent 407 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: nationally from twenty two to twenty three. I've heard that 408 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: six hundred times. 409 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 3: I'm to the point where I completely ignore crime statistics 410 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: because I trust them so little. 411 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, but as Jeffrey Anderson writes, they 412 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: have largely ignored. However, the latest iteration of the Bureau 413 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: of Justice Statistics National Crime Victimization Survey, which we talked 414 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: about at length a couple of weeks ago, which found 415 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: a nine percent increase in property crime in urban areas 416 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: over that span, part of a twenty six percent rise 417 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: in urban property crime, alongside a whopping forty percent surgeon 418 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: urban but violent crime that happens to me from twenty 419 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: nineteen to twenty twenty three, so set aside for a moment. 420 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: The media is downplaying of that inconvenient urban crime data. 421 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: Are the FBI statistics really precise enough to make much 422 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: of a reported three percent annual change in violent crime? 423 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: And I thought thought this was so interesting. Trying to 424 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: decipher how the FBI produces its statistics and what those 425 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: numbers even are is a lot like combing through a 426 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: crime scene and searching for clues. The agency's process, such 427 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: as how it tries to estimate unreported figures. So if 428 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: a city or a county or whatever doesn't report it, 429 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: they estimate what those numbers probably are. The hell is 430 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: that has long been a black box, even to the 431 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: Bureau of Justice Statistics, the Department of Justice's actual statistical agency. 432 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: Things have become even more cryptic of late, as the 433 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: FBI has struggled to implement its new crime reporting system, 434 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: adopted nationally in twenty twenty one. That new system makes 435 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: Year to ear your comparisons more challenging, in part because 436 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: only eighty five percent of agencies provided data for twenty 437 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: twenty three. In other words, the FBI is capturing only 438 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: a portion of crimes reported to police. And he gets 439 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: into a fair amount of detail, and we'll have this 440 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: linked at Armstrong and getty dot com. 441 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 3: Well, so if you start at the local level of 442 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: lots of crimes don't get reported, and then you take 443 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: it on up to the other stuff you're just talking about, 444 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: you could be wildly off. 445 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's it's a wild guess. And his main 446 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: premises to accept all of these statistical methodological shortcomings and 447 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: then trumpet a three percent change is insane and. 448 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 3: Then claim completely invalid and then claim obviously that see 449 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: our policies are working right, yeah, yeah, because crime could 450 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,719 Speaker 3: be so. So that's yet another layer. 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Would you try to track with this? 485 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: The FBI also has a history of offering multiple and 486 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: often conflicting crime figures, which makes precise cross your comparisons difficult. 487 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: For example, how many violent crimes were committed nationwide in 488 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty fairly straightforward question. The table linked to on 489 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting Program website. Its source data 490 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: indicates it's two hundred and seventy two eight hundred and 491 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 1: twelve such crimes. Okay, But the bureau's twenty twenty one 492 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: press release announcing the publication of the twenty twenty Crime 493 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: Data PEG the figure at five thousand more. Then in 494 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, it's press release highlighted the publication of 495 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one crime statistics and claimed that the 496 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty figure had actually been ah fifty thousand more. 497 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: Add in the FBI's data discovery tool, which currently lists 498 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: a twenty twenty total as another completely wildly different number, 499 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: and you have four different figures for one. 500 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 3: Statistic, right, And then again, starting with the idea of 501 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 3: how many violent crimes were committed in twenty twenty, there's 502 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 3: no way to have any idea because lots and lots 503 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: of them don't get reported. But of those reported, here's 504 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 3: our number. And then you still end up with four 505 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 3: different numbers. And he points out, and I appreciate it. 506 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 3: That's not to say the FBI is doing anything nefarious, 507 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: but rather that the media is putting too much faith 508 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 3: in a crime data, or at least by an entity 509 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 3: that isn't a principal federal statistical agency. That's not what 510 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 3: they do. Excellent point. And of course their media picks 511 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: out whichever number works best for whatever politic narrative they're 512 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 3: particularly pushing. And indeed, the Bureau of Justice Statistics National 513 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 3: Crime Victimization Survey. The NCVS is the one to look to. Okay, 514 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 3: it goes into towns and cities all across America. Hey, 515 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 3: were you a victim of a crime? 516 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 6: Yeah? 517 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: I was. I didn't bother to report it because the 518 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: cops never do anything that is worth knowing. 519 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 3: It's interesting yesterday when you said there are neighborhoods where 520 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 3: if you've gotten if somebody shoved you against a wall 521 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 3: and took your iPhone and ran off, you wouldn't report it. 522 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: I suppose that's true. 523 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: I'd never really thought about that before, would I. 524 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I would. I think I probably would. 525 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: Probably depends on where I was, if I happened to 526 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: be if I happen to be walking well, like where 527 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 3: I live, yeah, I would definitely report it. And in 528 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 3: my cul de Sac that would be weird. But like 529 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 3: if I'm in a bad area of Oakland for some reason, 530 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 3: like I left a ballgame, I'm not sure would it 531 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 3: be worth the hassle of waiting for the cops to 532 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 3: show up and filling out the paperwork is like before 533 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 3: I head to my car and go home. 534 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: Probably not? Yeah, I probably not. 535 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 3: What do I think I'm gonna get out of that. 536 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: There's not a chance I'm getting my phone back. Not 537 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 3: a chance. 538 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: Not a chance the guy gets arrested, even if they 539 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: caught him with my phone. There's some there are some 540 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: cop shops that will do the find my I phone 541 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: thing and go and confront the people. But I have 542 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: a feeling the peace officers in Oakland are a little business. Okay, 543 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: picks up else your watch, slayings and hackings and that 544 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: sort of thing, your watch or whatever. 545 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: If I'm if I'm in a if I'm in a 546 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: San Francisco on Market Street and somebody knocks me down 547 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: and takes my watch, what good would it do me 548 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 3: to call the cops other than lengthen my day and annoyance? 549 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, a strong arm robbery, I'm thinking I report. I'm 550 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: not sure. I don't know. I've never been there, hope 551 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: I never. Yeah. 552 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 3: Is pretty crazy though, that that's even a question in 553 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: a lot of places. Well, how about this, Uh speak 554 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 3: to San Francisco. You you park over there so you can, 555 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 3: you know, walk along the Golden Gate bridge over there 556 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 3: on the other side, and your car gets broken into 557 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 3: just like your brothers. 558 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: Did you call anybody? There's zero points. Not everybody knows 559 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: cars get broken into one hundred and seventy five times 560 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: a day. 561 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 4: There. 562 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 3: I think the only the only thing I would think about. 563 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: Does having a I reported it help my insurance claim? 564 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: Other than that it doesn't make any difference. 565 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Hey, yet another controversy at CBS news. Man, 566 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: are they screwed up? They are? They have allowed themselves 567 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: to be dragged far far from journalism as anybody recognizes it. 568 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: Cool the Tiffany Network, Well this is good. 569 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 3: I like this, and not only does it put pressure 570 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 3: on CBS, it puts pressure on everybody else to realize, hey, 571 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,320 Speaker 3: this can turn into a big negative story that's going 572 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 3: to hurt us if we go too far down the 573 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 3: road of fixing you putting our thumb on the scale. 574 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 3: So that's good news. Got that and other stuff on 575 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 3: the way, Stay armstrong, And I need to carve out 576 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 3: some time for watching television when my kids aren't around, 577 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 3: because I want to watch some of the new Menendez 578 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 3: Brothers stuff that's come out. 579 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: There's both the mini series thing and a documentary, Yeah, 580 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: Netflix documentary. I want to see the Penguin on HBO. 581 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: I hear that's really good, But so which one. Have 582 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: you watched Katie one or both? 583 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 6: So I've watched a few episodes of the series, and 584 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 6: then I watched the actual documentary that they just put out, 585 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 6: Brothers Mendez. 586 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: What's your takeaway? The what's his name? Gascone in la is. 587 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 3: Claiming he's gonna They're gonna be out in time for Thanksgiving. 588 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 6: Dude, Then then he's he's releasing two killers. They it's 589 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 6: just the yeah, I did not I I got the 590 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 6: same vibe as like I do from Scott Peterson saying like, oh, 591 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 6: I didn't do it. I need to get out of there. 592 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 6: They they're just they're very slick. Well, nobody who's doubting 593 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 6: that they killed their parents. That's never been in doubt, 594 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 6: but just whether or not the parents had it coming. 595 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 6: And it was basically. 596 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: A yeah, I got the idea, and Katie you can 597 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: confirm her tonight that the tone of the documentary was 598 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: that they were victims of terrible sexual abuse and the 599 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: parents really kind of had it coming and they need 600 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: a new trial and they need to get out or 601 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: is it less heavy handed than that, No, it's it. 602 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: You've you've pretty much nailed it. 603 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 6: I mean, they're definitely selling it as that these poor guys, 604 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 6: the life that they had to live prior to this happening, anyone. 605 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: Would be driven to which can't happen. Yeah, it can happen. 606 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 6: But when you listen to them talk, I mean, it's 607 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 6: just I don't know, there's something manufactured about what they're saying. 608 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: To me. Mm hm. That's that's your instinct as a 609 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: human being, though I think that you recognized as something. 610 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: But anyway, I want to squeeze some facts in before 611 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: we run out of time. Fact Alan Alan Abrahamson, who's uh, 612 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: he's a he's a writer and covered the original trial 613 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three trials there were two of them, 614 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: and his headline is don't feel sorry for the Menendez brothers. 615 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: And he goes into the Netflix documentary and what the 616 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: defense lawyers have put forward. Recently discovered letter written by 617 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: Eric eight months before the shooting that they asserted suggest 618 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: the sexual abuse by the father was on going into 619 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: the brother's teenage years. Is it this so called abuse excuse? 620 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: So what? Lyle and Eric Menendez are stone cold murderers. 621 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: On August twenty, nineteen eighty nine, using shotguns, they killed 622 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: the parents at close range in the Beverly Hills Home. 623 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 3: Now at least one juror has come out and said, 624 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: if I'd have known of that letter, which wasn't available 625 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 3: at the time in the trial, I'd have thought differently. 626 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 3: But you know that didn't necessarily mean anything. 627 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, having served on a handful of juries, there are 628 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: lunkheads every morning. You've got to your hardest challenge is 629 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: a juror is dealing with the lunkheads. Then it's the evidence. 630 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: But so this guy who covered the trial says the 631 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: brother's abuse excuses. I wrote in the La Times preview 632 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: piece marked an effort to quote test an emerging legal strategy. 633 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: This is back the original trial that portrays abused children 634 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: as victims a kind of battered woman and justified in 635 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,560 Speaker 1: killing in self defense. Before the trial, I interviewed a judge. 636 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: He told me, in this day and age, it's become 637 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: de regre, meaning it always happens in parricide cases to 638 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: claim this abuse. If you kill your dad, you claim abuse. 639 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: The father has gone, the mother has gone, The sympathy 640 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: lies with the children, and the people in the fourth 641 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: of state tend to make such claims plausible. Let's face it, 642 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: it sells a lot of soap. But then Abrahamson gets 643 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: into the idea that abuse does not justify or excuse 644 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: revenge killing. The legal doctrine is, for instance, an abused spouse, 645 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: you're afraid you're about to be killed, so it's self defense. 646 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: That there's a legal term for it. It's like imperfect 647 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: self defense or something like that. But killing someone isn't 648 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: self defense unless you believe they're about to kill you. 649 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: That's not the case. He goes into the details. 650 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 3: So if your dad's coming to abuse you again, you 651 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: could kill him in self defense, perhaps, but you can't 652 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 3: just be angry about it a year later and go kill. 653 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: Him right right. Indeed, about four months after the killings, 654 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: they met with a Beverly Hills psychologist. They talked in 655 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: confidence about why they killed their parents. If ever there 656 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 1: would have been a time to confide their deepest, darkest secret, 657 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: this would have been it. But no, not once did 658 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: either claim to have been sexually abused. Really, is it 659 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: any wonder that the defense fought for years to keep 660 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,280 Speaker 1: this tape a secret. Instead of saying they were afraid 661 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: for their lives, Lyle said his father had been unfaithful, 662 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: causing Kitty to turn the liquor and pills, so we 663 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: thought we would just kill dad and eliminate the problem. 664 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: And the mother, well, killing her was just putting her 665 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: out of her misery. Really, why said. 666 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 3: Were they just mentally ill or out? Did both of 667 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 3: them end up so crazy? Couple of socio paths. 668 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 6: Well, And one of the things that was that came 669 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 6: up in this documentary is one of the brothers talked 670 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 6: about how the reason they decided to go kill the 671 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 6: parents was because they thought the parents were in that 672 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,959 Speaker 6: room planning to kill them. 673 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: That's the new spin. 674 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 3: Well, they can't both be delusional with the same delusion. 675 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 3: That doesn't make sense. 676 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: So almost no journalist writing about the case today is 677 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: cited the decision by the US Ninth Circuit Court of 678 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 1: Appeals in five after the brothers were found guilty in 679 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: the second trial. It destroys arguments advanced on half of 680 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,399 Speaker 1: the brothers. Lyle is dismissed in a footnote quote. In fact, 681 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 1: evidence that Lyle ever feared his parents is so weak 682 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: in the record that his claim could be rejected without discussion. 683 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: But these an innocent person has been convicted and we 684 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: need to free them. Feel of podcasts and documentaries it's hot. 685 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: It's super hot. So you pick a case, you manipulate 686 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: the facts, you carefully choose this. You're portray it as 687 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: one thing. You shine the light from that side, and 688 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: it's a winner. 689 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 3: So why did they kill their parents, Katie, You've watched 690 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 3: enough of this stuff. They're just evil, well because they 691 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 3: were saying the abuse. But there's a money spind It's 692 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: it's a really tangled web that they're they're showing us 693 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 3: in this documentary. 694 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: I'll have to check that out. 695 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 3: If you missed an hour of this show, get the 696 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 3: podcast Armstrong and Getty on demand 697 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty