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Speaker 1: audio engineers Ian Hi Ian, Everyone say Hi Ian. That

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Speaker 1: say Hi Ian unless you want to. Our music was

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Speaker 1: written for us by un woman. And today we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the Young Lords, the Puerto Rican socialist organization that

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Speaker 1: is kicking ass and taking names in New York City

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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty nine, nineteen seventy, they've just taken over

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Speaker 1: a Methodist church and turned it into the People's Church

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Speaker 1: for eleven days, which I said thirteen last time because

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Speaker 2: They got a lot done for eleven days.

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Speaker 1: I know, there's like multiple festivals of the Oppress that

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Speaker 1: they managed to throw in eleven days.

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Speaker 2: Totally.

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Speaker 1: Could you imagine, like I would take more than eleven

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good year?

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Speaker 1: Yeah totally, Like all right, we're getting ready for twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty fives Festival the Oppressed.

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Speaker 1: Everyone got to check their schedules. So this action got

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Speaker 1: them national attention and support and their membership soared especially

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Speaker 1: and it brought in again more women. More than six

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Speaker 1: hundred new members came on. And this is an official

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Speaker 1: membership organization as compared to some other things. Right, Okay.

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Speaker 1: They would take Puerto Rican people, and they would take

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Speaker 1: both non Puerto Rican black people and non Puerto Rican

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Speaker 1: LATINX folks from their neighborhoods. Overall, they skewed demographically after

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Speaker 1: think it. Whatever. They'd already opened a Newark, New Jersey

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Speaker 2: Now oh wow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, women and men lived together and organized together and

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Speaker 1: chauvinism in the movement. They would specifically, this is the

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Speaker 1: thing I didn't known to I researched this. They would

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Speaker 1: an action that did not come up from my research,

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Speaker 2: And be treated as comrades instead of servants, and you know,

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Speaker 1: So the thing I ran across when I when I

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Speaker 2: Or perhaps it was like education and how to use firearms. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but anyone's going to see It's called voices and photographs

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Speaker 1: Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Yeah, so so they're

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Speaker 1: doing all this after the church, their numbers were up.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, the Young Lords provided a personal guard

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Speaker 2: Also half Puerto Rican.

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Speaker 1: were Sylvia Rivera's personal bodyguard were young lords, and that

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Speaker 1: no one ever gets anything done without getting a little

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Speaker 1: bit close to the cult line. You shouldn't cross the

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Speaker 1: If the cult line isn't even in sight, you might

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Speaker 2: Ah, interesting, Okay.

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Speaker 1: One of the cultier things that they did is they

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And anyone who failed to do this was all

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Speaker 1: and people like fuck you, right winger, and I'm like what. Oh,

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Speaker 1: At least by the convenient narrative that I'm drawing and

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Speaker 1: have read in other sources, the New York Lords were

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Speaker 1: given full autonomy by the quote Central Committee of Chicago, right,

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Speaker 1: that more discipline was needed. And also the Chicago newspaper

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Speaker 1: You better get on that. So after starts getting kind

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Speaker 1: about their politics, and I try to avoid, like, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about Marx, right, but along with the Black Panthers,

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Speaker 1: the Young Lords were a break from traditional Marxism in

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Speaker 1: that they identified the lump and proletariat as the revolutionary subject,

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Speaker 2: a really great representation of like a new Eurekan, although

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00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 2: of course there are New Eurekans that do, but it's

439
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: like a very specific like doesn't have extremely strong ties

440
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: to the island. Like even my dad, who was born

441
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 2: in Puerto Rico, felt like he wasn't Puerto Rican enough,

442
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: and then also he was an outsider in his own city. Okay,

443
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: so it's like they you know, this idea that you

444
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: don't quite fit into anything because you're always a little

445
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 2: bit of an outsider. So New Eurekan was born.

446
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that makes a lot of sense to me.

447
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: I feel like the diasporic identity is like this thing

448
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: that often grows in New York or at least I

449
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: know that, like the diasporic identity of like Jews, Jewish

450
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: people like grew in New York City in a lot

451
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: of ways as an identity that was separate from anything else.

452
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: It was like, this is the diasporas, like who we are.

453
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't know whether diaspera's are all that people use

454
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: in this context or not.

455
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: Oh definitely, okay, yeah. Yeah. And also there's a lot

456
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: of like longing for like you know, when you talked

457
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: about how the Young Words were teaching Puerto Rican history,

458
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 2: like that was something that was I mean to this day,

459
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 2: it's so hidden from anybody who is Puerto Rican or

460
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: New Eurekan, Like just this feeling that you come from

461
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 2: a place that is so foreign to you and you

462
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: want to learn about it, but it's been hidden or

463
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: kept away.

464
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's like because America has this like public

465
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: school systems has this like one monolithic educational idea of

466
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,719
Speaker 1: what we teach people, you know, and it's just like,

467
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 1: rather than teach people Puerto Rican history, we teach people

468
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: about like Paul Revere or whatever the fuck, you know. Like, yeah,

469
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: and it's just interesting because like a really high percentage

470
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: of people who live in the United States are not

471
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: descended from the Revolutionary war fighters, you know, yeah, or

472
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: have at least other just whatever. Anyway, Yeah, I'm I

473
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: guess I should start a podcast where I talk about

474
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: history that hasn't talked about as much. So we want

475
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: to help me do that.

476
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 3: This entire podcast is just propaganda, and it's you just

477
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: advertising for your own show, on your own show.

478
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: Incredible. Self promotion is awesome. I haven't worked the name

479
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: of my book and any of these scripts. I'm very

480
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: proud of that. Okay, so they've just stolen a van.

481
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: That makes it very like not much happened. They just

482
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: changed the way.

483
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: I just love how much they like play chicken with

484
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: the city. It's like, yeah, of course, we could like

485
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: go to jail for a really long time for a

486
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: grand theft auto or something, or maybe they'll just give

487
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: us what we want.

488
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I can't imagine any of this working.

489
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: Then it keeps working.

490
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

491
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they go to South Bronx, or rather a

492
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: branch opens in the South Bronx, And I don't know

493
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: how many individuals are specifically moving, right, And there's a

494
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: problem that needs to be dealt with in South Bronx heroin.

495
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: The state wasn't doing a very good job of helping

496
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: people who are addicted. Instead, it criminalized people. The South

497
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: Bronx and Spring nineteen seventy had the highest heroin addiction

498
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: rate in the world. Fifteen percent of people who lived

499
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: there were addicted to heroin, according to one number I heard.

500
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: Other numbers that I heard included the South Bronx had

501
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: a mortality rate fifty percent higher than the rest of

502
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: the country, syphilis and gonorrhea six and four times the

503
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: national average, and overdose was the leading cause of death

504
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: among adolescents and young adults.

505
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: Oh wow, And.

506
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: This is the kind of thing that we see reflected

507
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: more later in the opioid crisis on a wider scale. Right,

508
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: So the first thing that the Young Lords did, They're like,

509
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,959
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna deal with heroin addiction. That's what

510
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: our community needs, that's what we're gonna do. They got

511
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: an apartment, they cleaned it up nice, and they started

512
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,360
Speaker 1: screening drug users for commitment to sobriety. And then two

513
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 1: young lords would keep watch over They just set up

514
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: a detox center just or a cold Turkey center. Really,

515
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: this is their first first attempt. Two young lords would

516
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: keep watch over the detoxing people for twenty four hours

517
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: a day and help them quit cold turkey. Then each

518
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: person in recovery was assigned a mentor who was available

519
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: to them twenty four hours a day for the next

520
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: six months.

521
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

522
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: They also robbed drug dealers and scared them off the block,

523
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: which got the mafia mad at them, but they somehow

524
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: had enough power that they didn't get any No one

525
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: got killed as a result of this that I'm aware of.

526
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 2: This is so wild to me.

527
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Yeah, I keeps.

528
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 2: Waiting for, like, when is someone going to get assassinated

529
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: by one of the many powerful forces who don't want

530
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: change to happen.

531
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: I I am not aware of it happening. Yeah, I

532
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: like and I one of the things that often underlies

533
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: a lot of history that doesn't get left in like,

534
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: is people working with the mafia or like all these

535
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 1: different radicals like working with different power structures, right, and

536
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: that's like often left out because it's not as like

537
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: sexy or it's criminal or whatever. Right, So probably they're

538
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: doing something that is making the mafia not attack them.

539
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: But I believe the mafia is mad at them, So

540
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: I believe that that something is not working with the mafia. Okay,

541
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: if I were to guess, and I expect I'm wrong,

542
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: it probably is just literally like we are a scary

543
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of us, and we are tied

544
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: in with the panthers, and we are tied in with

545
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: them up against the wall motherfuckers, and yeah, yeah, the

546
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: city is full of angry revolutionaries. That's my best guess.

547
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: But I don't Yeah, you know, I know it. Around

548
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: the same time, for example, the up against wall motherfuckers

549
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: are like scaring off mafia hits by having more guns

550
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: than the people trying to kill them, you know. But yeah,

551
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: so they're robbing drug dealers and scaring them off the block,

552
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: which is also really hard to morally understand in a

553
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: situation that predates the War on drugs, right because right now,

554
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: during the War on drugs, when people talk about like, oh,

555
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna like, go fuck up all the drug dealers.

556
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, you're gonna go fuck up drug users

557
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: who are like fucked by society. Congratulations, you're the same

558
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: as the fucking war on drugs. Yeah, but when we're

559
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: not in that context, I don't fucking know. This is

560
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: like straight up, I don't know, you know. Yeah, but

561
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: the cold Turkey approach wasn't gonna work with everyone. The

562
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: medical problems that people are facing were bigger than just heroin,

563
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: so they needed something more. They needed something bigger, like

564
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: a hospital. The South Bronx had won hospital. Lincoln Hospital

565
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: was built in eighteen ninety eight, the same year that

566
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: the US stole Puerto Rico from the Spanish. This is

567
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: the place that I was saying. It's called the butcher shop.

568
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: It's the wrong leg amputated whoops shop with lead paint

569
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: for the children to eat. And it's the kind of

570
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: place where the er doesn't do triage. There's no translators

571
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: on staff, no accommodations for non English speaking patients. But

572
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: the best part, and this is not sarcasm, the actual

573
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: good part was that some reformers had set up a

574
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: fairly groundbreaking mental health clinic there that emphasized talk therapy

575
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: and actually hearing patients out. Oh wow, so it's kind

576
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: of a battleground spot already. In March nineteen sixty nine,

577
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: before the Lords arrived, the Lords did a lot, and

578
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: they deserve it a ton of the credit. But by

579
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: tying into existing infrastructures and working with other groups. In

580
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: March nineteen sixty nine, the Mental Health clinic had taken

581
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: itself over. The workers, mostly people of color, had seized

582
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: the building and kicked out the director and his upper staff. Yeah.

583
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: The doctors, including white doctors, which is most of them

584
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: this is the late sixties, supported the action and kept

585
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: working and they held it for three days, and the

586
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: Black Panthers ran security and brought supporters. This is before

587
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: the Panther twenty one trial took the wind out of

588
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: the New York City Panthers.

589
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: Just would like to say that I am really loving

590
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: these stories of like doctors standing with their staff and

591
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: like standing up to administration and their bosses. It's really

592
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: I encourage all the doctors out there who might be

593
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: listening to do that, Yeah, as we really need it.

594
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, this particular takeover was when the city I don't

595
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: even think the mystery is the hospital. The city was

596
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: like any doctors who practice here will lose their licenses.

597
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: But the action did get a bunch of workers have

598
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: been fired, and it got the fired workers on fired

599
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: and the director was transferred out. So it was like

600
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: successful to some degree. Right by nineteen seventy some of

601
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: the workers there were young lords themselves, and some of

602
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: these workers set up a complaint table for workers and

603
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: patients in the er. Twelve hours a day they were

604
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: there with this table. On weekends they were there twenty

605
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: four hours a day, wow. And they kept getting kicked out,

606
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: and they kept coming right back in. There's like interviewsing

607
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: in here about like the people like kind of being

608
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: friends with the security guards, like I'm kicking you out again,

609
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,719
Speaker 1: and they're like I'm going to be right back in

610
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: and like all right, have fun, you know. So they

611
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: set up this complaint table. They get two thousand complaints

612
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: in a month, wow, and they just start acting on

613
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: them like all the ones that they can. They just

614
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: direct action, get the goods and all privacy screens in

615
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: the bathrooms. They move trash off the street outside and

616
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: into the director's office because this is what you do

617
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: with trash.

618
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: WHOA.

619
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, the medical staff who were part of this organization.

620
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: I think this is atrun, but I'm not. I'm not

621
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: one hundred percent certain the larger organization that's doing this.

622
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: The medical staff just start doing triage in the er,

623
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: like when they're not at work. They're just like, we're triaging.

624
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: Fuck this an er needs triage, which I did not

625
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: learn this word until I was an adult. Triage is

626
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: when you determine which patients are the most injured and

627
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: who needs medical care most immediately. So they put pressure

628
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: on administration for better care for the workers, but there

629
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: was a wall. They couldn't get anything systemic fixed. They

630
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: could only like band aids. People are like, oh, it's

631
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: just a band aid. Like band aids are great, they

632
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: stop bleeding, you can keep infection out, like yeah, but

633
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: they don't address the systemic issues. So they did what

634
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: they had to do with a really interesting security culture method.

635
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: On July thirteenth, nineteen seventy, one hundred and fifty young

636
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: lords met in an apartment and locked themselves in so

637
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: that no infiltrators could get out and give anyone a

638
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: heads up because they knew they were infiltrated. It's the

639
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: fucking it's nineteen seventy, you know, a huh, And so

640
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: not all of them knew the plan going in. They

641
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: all get told the plan, but they can't call out.

642
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: At three thirty am, they pile into a U haul

643
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: and a bunch of cars. They backed up to the

644
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: hospital loading dock. They opened the doors. They stormed the

645
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: hospital with nun chucks.

646
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: Oh, this episode brought to you by nonsense dunchucks. I

647
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: know how cool they are.

648
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: I know, for some reason, most retelies leave the nun

649
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: trucks out. That's a mistake, hely nunchuck radicals, you get it, Okay,

650
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell my one nunchuck story please.

651
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

652
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm like twenty two or something, and I'm like living

653
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: in the basement of this house with some hipsters and

654
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: they have this party and I'm avoiding it, hanging out

655
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: in the basement, and at one point someone comes down.

656
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: At this time, I'm like, all I'm doing is like

657
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: studying martial arts and trying to stop a war and

658
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: all that shit. And they come down and they're like, Magpie,

659
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: this guy won't leave and he's harassing people. He's like

660
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: harassing this woman. You have to kick him out. And

661
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, And so I'm like in my my

662
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: sleeping dress and I just like walk upstairs with the

663
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: pair of nunchucks. And I'm like the weird kid an

664
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: address from the basement who hasn't been at the party,

665
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: and I just like walk up. I think I have

666
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: a beard at the time, and I'm just like, hey,

667
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 1: you better leave, and the guy's like I'm already gone,

668
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: and he runs away. I don't know how to use nunchucks.

669
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: I do not know how to use nunchucks at this

670
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: point in my life. I just have them.

671
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: I Mean it's definitely a power move of like who's

672
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 2: going to assume that you don't know how to use them?

673
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 2: You know, like if you're pulling them out just visually,

674
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: you'd be like that person knows how to use those. Yeah, Like.

675
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: Bluffy is a very effective as we.

676
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: Learned from the Young Lords, Like sometimes you just gotta

677
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 2: try it.

678
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: Storm a hospital with nunchucks. What could go wrong? Yeah,

679
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: So they secure the entrances, they barricade shit, they still

680
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: let workers and patients in and out of the building,

681
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: just they're controlling it. They set up screening clinics for

682
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: tuberculosis and lead poisoning anemia. They set up a daycare

683
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: in a classroom because one of their whole things is

684
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: that they believe that kids should get childcare while their

685
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: sole caretaker is in the hospital. It's wild.

686
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: I know.

687
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: They hung up a banner welcome to the People's Hospital

688
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: and a Puerto Rican flag. They hadn't tipped off the

689
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: hospital workers or it wouldn't have worked, right, But the

690
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: hospital workers were down. The physicians backed them. They hated

691
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: working for the butcher's shop because they became doctors to

692
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: help people.

693
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

694
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: Even the chief administrator was like, well, I mean they

695
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: kind of got a point, like, wow, no one likes

696
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: working at the butcher shop, you know, except like Sweeney

697
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: Todd or whatever. Thank you, thank you.

698
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: We really like.

699
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: You did that one for you apparently. So they call

700
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: for a press conference. It was so perfectly timed. So

701
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: they call for a press conference and they explain themselves

702
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: to the press, and they give their demands, which is

703
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: like door to door healthcare, better pay for workers, daycare

704
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: for patients and workers, hurry up and build a new hospital.

705
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: I did not find a name for this action. I

706
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: assume it was the Lincoln Offensive or the Hospital Offensive.

707
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.

708
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they held it for about twelve hours. The negotiations

709
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 1: of the police were going very badly. Undercovers were trying

710
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: to infiltrate into the hospital, so they left and rather

711
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: than letting themselves get mass arrested, they put on white

712
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: coats and slipped out with the doctors covered by supporters

713
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: from inside and outside. Yeah. Oh, and once the cops

714
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: realized they'd been duped, they combed the area for the lords,

715
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: but people in the neighborhoods took them in. Only two

716
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: participants out of one hundred and fifty two hundred participants

717
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: got fucking caught. Wow, good fucking odds. I would take

718
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: those odds seriously. Nothing changed immediately. Then three days later,

719
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: a patient named Carmen Rodriguez died during an abortion at

720
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: the hospital. The resident, a student doctor, didn't look at

721
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: her chart in her pre existing conditions and performed the

722
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: wrong kind of abortion, and then when she responded badly,

723
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: doubled down on mistreating her, and a few days later,

724
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: July nineteenth, nineteen seventy, she died of negligence.

725
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: Oh wow, this is something I've read about.

726
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's fucking heartbreaking. Like I I don't know

727
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,959
Speaker 1: just especially doubling down and shit especially like.

728
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: I mean, there's also just a really painful history of

729
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: sterilization of Puerto Rican women, and just to it was

730
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 2: a part of what like the women of the Young

731
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: Lords would talk about in when they would talk about

732
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: the women's movement and women's liberation, as they would make

733
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: a very clear distinction between upper class women's liberation and

734
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 2: how like the Young Lord women of course, you know,

735
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: stood for abortion rights, but they also were like, we

736
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 2: have to be very clear about our experience of you know,

737
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 2: being forcefully sterilized like a lot of work and women

738
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: getting sterilized in who worked in factories and just without

739
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: their knowledge.

740
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

741
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's just a part of the history, and

742
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 2: it's just such a recent history, yeah, you know of

743
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: Puerto Rican women.

744
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, It's something that I didn't really understand when

745
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: I first started doing some of this research about like,

746
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's doing well now, I feel self conscious

747
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: about it. But I did an EPISO about the Jaine

748
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: Collective Okay, Sophie that you can go listen to so fun.

749
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: And one of the things that I didn't realize going

750
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: into that research was how I had only read about

751
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: the you know, the Panthers and black liberationists had very

752
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: complicated relationships with abortion rights because the pill. Oh interesting, yeah,

753
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: because they're like, we're trying to avoid a cultural genocide.

754
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 1: You have to like freedom to reproduce was what more

755
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: of them were fighting for as compared to more white

756
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: women were fighting for freedom to control to not reproduce,

757
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: and any logical look at it is we want bodily autonomy.

758
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, but childcare like goes into

759
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: it as well, because from what I read, like women

760
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: and the young lords would talk about how working class

761
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 2: people deserve to be able to have children and that

762
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: include that means that we will need to set up

763
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: community childcare, you know, because that is the only way

764
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: that we can that if you're not incredibly wealthy. They

765
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 2: were just saying it shouldn't be a barrier to be

766
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: to starting a family, yeah, which you know, yeah, so

767
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: it's just it's a really yeah, it's this painful part

768
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: of it just really moves me that there was so

769
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: much like mind blowing growth and like just what these

770
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 2: people are experiencing, you know, like so quickly within a generation.

771
00:42:54,640 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, well that's an awkward place that I've to

772
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: stick an ad transition, but I do. So here's some

773
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: ads and we're back and yeah, we're talking about how

774
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 1: Carmen Rodriguez died at the hospital three days after the takeover.

775
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: And so this led to the most enduring and wide

776
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: reaching legacy of the Young Lord's Hrum. The radical group

777
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: of medical professionals that the Young Lords are part of.

778
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: They draft a new document and they call it the

779
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: Patient's Bill of Rights, and it says you deserve to

780
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: be treated respectfully, to have your treatment explained, that you

781
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: can refuse treatment, that you can see your chart, that

782
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: people deserve door to door preventative care, that people can

783
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: pick their doctors. That you should get free food with

784
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: your care, that there should be daycare, and that healthcare

785
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: should be free. This is obviously not I know, you

786
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: look at that and you're like that, Yeah, I'm in like,

787
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: this is not the patient's Bill of rights we have

788
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: today in the US. Specifically, the free stuff part didn't

789
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: really survive.

790
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, still working on that.

791
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: But some of this other stuff I have always taken

792
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: for granted. I mean I didn't. I don't want to

793
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: talk about my own family history too much, but it's

794
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: like it makes sense to me that of course you

795
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: get to have your treatment explained. Of course you can

796
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: refuse treatment. Of course you can see your chart, like,

797
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: of course you can pick your doctor. Why would I

798
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: mean again, complications around financial barriers, but it of course

799
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: you can refuse treatment. It's like such a clear example

800
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: of that that looking back, you're like, what do you mean?

801
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: Why would anyone ever have thought it was okay to

802
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: sterilize someone without their consent?

803
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, how is that not that? Yeah, that's called

804
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 2: something else.

805
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they start pushing for this bill of rights.

806
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: And one thing that I find so fascinating about the

807
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: story is that, you know, the Young Lords aren't reformists.

808
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: They believe in a socialist revolution, but by not coming

809
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: to the table to beg for scraps, but by demanding everything,

810
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: they accomplished more reform than reformists tend to, which I

811
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: would say, keep in mind, reformists, you should pretend to

812
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 1: be socialist revolutionaries if you want reform.

813
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: Make Italian bake it.

814
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they do this, but they're still they haven't

815
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: gotten their health, their their harm reduction clinic, which they

816
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 1: haven't called that yet, but leads to that kind of framing.

817
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: So they have a better idea than their cold Turkey clinic.

818
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: Nothing the other day, it was bad. It just didn't

819
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: work for everyone. They got link In to sponsor a

820
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: drug detoc center. They succeeded by asking nicely, just kidding.

821
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: On November sixth, nineteen seventy, they occupied the sixth floor

822
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: of one of the buildings of the hospital and set

823
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: it up with the help of doctors, into a detox facility. Wow,

824
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 1: fifteen people were back. Yeah exactly, Yeah, fifteen people were arrested.

825
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: So then other one other people came back the next

826
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: day and they set it up again, and this time

827
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: it stuck. This gets called the first harm reduction clinic,

828
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: and they used a novel approach in which addiction was

829
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 1: seen as a social problem and not as individual weakness. Oh.

830
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: Soon they're treating six hundred people a week at this

831
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: clinic and it and it starts as a methodone clinic

832
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: and becomes an acupuncture clinic. And it lasted for eight years.

833
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: It outlasts the young lords, and it ends up staffed

834
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: by many people who'd been through the treatment themselves.

835
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: And so this is the beginning of not a acupuncture

836
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: Please explain, Okay, I do not know what nada nada

837
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: stands for. I will just say that not a detox

838
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: no wait, no, right, it's something that i've It's like

839
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 2: ear acupuncture that I've received when I was like, you know,

840
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: like they used to do it at the drop in

841
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: center when I was like a young, homeless teenager, and

842
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: it's I didn't know that this was created by the

843
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 2: Young Lords or that this just you know, the treatment

844
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 2: was like formed with the Young Lords, and it was like,

845
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: how do we bring accessible effective acupuncture to working people

846
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 2: or lower class people?

847
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am I believe that that is the case,

848
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: that this is. These are the pioneers of doing that

849
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: in the United States.

850
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: So cool.

851
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they just fucking did everything. I actually didn't

852
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: end up writing into the script more about how the

853
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: patients of Bill of Rights developed out of what they did.

854
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: There's so much that I didn't get to, you know,

855
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: it's like a I didn't get to follow these threads

856
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: as far as I want, you know.

857
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so let's kind.

858
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: Of talk about their decline. Unfortunately, but they have so

859
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: much lasting impact. So whatever if you write high for

860
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: two years and then burn out and change everything along

861
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: the way. So I fucking goes.

862
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: And we can learn from him them.

863
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so these two years are kind of the high

864
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: point of the young lords. Coen tail Pro is fucking

865
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: with them really hard. They found an easy target in

866
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: the culture of obsessive discipline and self criticism and central authority.

867
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: That was I think building and growing, but I could

868
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: be wrong. That could be the read of stuff I'm reading.

869
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: One of the central leaders, Philippe Luciano, he's practically the

870
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: face of the group. He was demoted after cheating on

871
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: his wife, who was one of the other leaders. They

872
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: had set really strict rules about who could talk to

873
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: the press, and so a co intel Pro agent pretended

874
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: to be one of the Bronx leaders speaking to the press,

875
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: like Hey, I'm this guy and I'm speaking to the press.

876
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: And then so then the other leaders are so mad

877
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: that this guy spoke to the press even though they

878
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: have strict rules about who can speak to the press,

879
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: and he wasn't on the approved.

880
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 2: List because I wasn't him.

881
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's in trouble. And oh and the thing

882
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: that he supposedly spoke to the press about was about

883
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: how Philippe had been demoted because he was a male

884
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: chauvinist with unclear politics. So they're like stirring up the shit, right.

885
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 2: Which is like on his Wikipedia page because I looked

886
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: it up.

887
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought he's a male choveness who was yeah.

888
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the quote. So it's interesting to know, yeah,

889
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: where this is coming from.

890
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, and he overall co intail pro

891
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: likes to find existing cracks and expand them.

892
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

893
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: But so you can look at that two ways. We

894
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: could be like, well, we're vulnerable to federal infiltration if

895
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: we have sexists, which is true. You can also look

896
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: go out as we're vulnerable to federal we're vulnerable to

897
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: this shit if we're so quick to well, now get

898
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: into murky waters. But like you know, we're so quick

899
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: to like get mad at everyone about these things, and

900
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: we have so many controls about all of these things,

901
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, And so it's like demoting a leader because

902
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: he's sexist is not bad, but the way it was

903
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: handled was manipulated by the FEDS. Most likely within a month,

904
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: he left the organization that he'd started or had a

905
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: hand in starting. Yeah, things start to get darker. On

906
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: October seventeenth, nineteen seventy, the young Lord Julio Roldin. He's

907
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: found it hanging in a cell in the tombs, and

908
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: he's one of eight quote suicides that year in the tombs,

909
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: one of whom had somehow fractured his own skull while

910
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: hanging himself, if you believe the police, which I don't.

911
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: So when Julio died, a thousand people came to his viewing.

912
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: At his funeral march the onlookers chanted and this chant

913
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: rules Fuego, Fuego, fuego, Los Yankees Kia, and fuego fire, fire, fire,

914
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: The Yankees want some fire. Whoa, which is hard as fuck.

915
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're like, oh you want you want some fun?

916
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

917
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 2: Wow.

918
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: So it's at this point in the narratives that I've

919
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: read that they pick up the gun more literally. Okay,

920
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: The funeral stops for a second viewing at that Methodist

921
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: church they'd once occupied with nothing but non trucks and

922
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: community support. They go into the church, they open the casket.

923
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: Alongside his body is an arsenal of guns.

924
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: In the casket.

925
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 1: Yeah that's how they hit it. Yeah, that's how they

926
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: got into the church.

927
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: Whoa.

928
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: They stuffed his casket full of full of weapons and

929
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: they use it to occupy the church. Their first and

930
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 1: foremost demand was an independent investigation into Julio Roldon's death.

931
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: The other demands were, let us set up a legal

932
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: defense center here, and also the city needs to let

933
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: clergymen visit people in prison and investigate prison conditions. And

934
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: so a diverse group of clergy took the demand to

935
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: the city. The city was like, you know, fuck you.

936
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: So then eighteen clergy members joined the armed occupation because

937
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: they were like, he's not listening to us. You're the

938
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: only way to get anything fucking done. Yeah, And I

939
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: started this off by being like, oh, they're getting this darker.

940
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: It's during the decline. I feel like I almost I

941
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: feel kind of bad using this as like because it's

942
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: an escalation, but it's not. I am not putting moral

943
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: judgment on this particular choice and escalation. Yeah, right. They

944
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: weren't trying to go down in a blaze of glory,

945
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: and they started negotiations. Older women from the neighborhood secreted

946
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: out the guns and pieces basically like because they were like,

947
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: we're going fucking down. We don't want to all get murdered.

948
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, piece by piece, all the guns get disappeared,

949
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: negotiations picked up. The city gave in and started an

950
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: independent investigation into the death of Julio Rolden, and the

951
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: independent report was clear Julio did hang himself, and at

952
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: least according this investigation, in twenty seven pages, some excerpted

953
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: in The New York Times, it said, basically, in a paraphrase,

954
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: he killed himself because the Tombs is a fucking nightmare

955
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 1: pit that drives people to suicide. And mainstream news articles

956
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: basically were saying like, yeah, sometimes suicide is murder. This

957
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: is such a case. You put someone in this terrible

958
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: of a situation, you are killing them. Even if Julio

959
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: most likely hanged himself, I bet that one who cracked

960
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: his own scald and fucking hang himself.

961
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that doesn't sound like a.

962
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: They held the church for two months until December nineteen seventies,

963
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 1: a year after the last time they held the church,

964
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, and they did their thing there. They fed people,

965
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: they offered free legal help. Radical priests started showing up

966
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:58,240
Speaker 1: and doing stuff there, but the organization started to decline

967
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: after this. They follow a familiar course. To quote author

968
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: Johanna Fernandez, the movements were on the path of decline.

969
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: Others saw mounting state repression as a reason to embrace

970
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: the right to self defense within their relatively small groups,

971
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: which they confused with the defense of the masses in

972
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: their communities. Amid the disorientation and siege mentality produced by

973
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: state repression, radicals became somewhat isolated from their communities. They

974
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 1: began to see themselves as enlightened actors. Before long, they

975
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: began to substitute the painstaking task of grassroots mobilization with

976
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: heroic acts of sacrifice taken on behalf of quote the people.

977
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: The central leadership had a closed retreat just for itself

978
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going wrong, why things are getting bad,

979
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: and they decide that the answer is that they need

980
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: to centralize more power. They decided at the retreat that

981
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 1: the social services move was the wrong one and instead

982
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: they should focus on leading a revolution to free Puerto Rico,

983
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: and basically are like, if you're real revolutionaries, this is

984
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: what you care about, not this volunteerism, which means we're

985
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 1: shifting over to fundraising. And now that's what we're going

986
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: to do here in the United States is fundraise and

987
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: relocate organizers to Puerto Rico and the rank and file

988
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: of the Young Lords aren't really excited about this, And

989
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: actually I think some of it probably has to do

990
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: with some of what you're talking about, like New Eyorekan identity,

991
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: and it was just from the island.

992
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, very I mean, I'm sure some of them had

993
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: connection to the island, you know, but definitely strange move

994
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 2: to go far away and then try to free people

995
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: over there who could. If they're going to free themselves,

996
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: they should probably free themselves.

997
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So their membership starts to decline. It

998
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: didn't help that they got really paranoid about co intel Pro,

999
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: which is not their fault. That is literally the purpose

1000
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: of co intel Pro totally, and they started to purge

1001
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: people without evidence, especially people who were critical of this

1002
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: new change in focus. So they dropped from a thousand

1003
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: members to two hundred members and not very long at all.

1004
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: They were not well received in Puerto Rico. They showed

1005
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: up in fatigues and berets, and this didn't go over

1006
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: as a powerful symbol of working class militancy. It just

1007
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: confused people. The Nationalist Party that they showed up to

1008
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: help didn't really like them. Most of the independence movements

1009
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 1: at the time there were rich and white, oh wow.

1010
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 1: And they also white within the Puerto Rican context, probably

1011
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: not the United States context, well the mainland. And also

1012
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: they were like, Budsy, you can't just show up out

1013
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: of nowhere and tell us you're going to free us.

1014
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: And they were outsiders. They knew how to organize in

1015
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: New York City really well. On the island, they met

1016
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: with little success. They did do stuff. It was earnest.

1017
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: By June nineteen seventy one, two of the three New

1018
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: York City offices shut their doors. They switched ideological focuses again,

1019
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: and this time they switched to a workerist attitude, meaning

1020
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: the lump and proletariat, the thieves and stuff. They're no

1021
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: longer the shit, so now we're all the workers. But

1022
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: there's a problem here. Being a young Lord was a

1023
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: full time twenty four to seven commitment, which means workers

1024
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: hadn't joined. It was the unemployed or the soon to

1025
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: be unemployed. Students, youth, and criminals were primarily who the

1026
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: young Lord's recruited from. So they didn't get workers, they

1027
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: just lost lumpin. So they went out and tried to

1028
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: get jobs in industry to go organize people, which kind

1029
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: of went over, like showing up in Puerto Rico. Yeah,

1030
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: they got more rigid and dogmatic, and they spiraled. They

1031
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: tried to solve it in nineteen seventy two by having

1032
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: a forty day course of Marxist study, in which they

1033
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: discussed in read marks for six hours a day and

1034
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: tried to out revolutionary each other. This further alienated them

1035
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: from everyone. No, I know, I know, and it's like,

1036
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's another read of this, you know, yeah,

1037
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: but like.

1038
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: Also dealing with immense pressure and like yeah, like yeah,

1039
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: it's so easy for us to be like and co

1040
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: entergrow was happening. It's like they didn't know the thing

1041
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: people knew, you know, just learned. But ah, okay, yeah,

1042
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 2: but the paranoia and yeah.

1043
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: So they tried to solve their further alienation from everyone

1044
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: by centralizing the authority from a central leadership to a

1045
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: central leader, a woman named Gloria Fontanas. And then they

1046
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: kicked out all the people who had gone to Puerto Rico.

1047
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: Because the people who had gone to Puerto Rico were like, hey,

1048
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: this isn't working, we shouldn't do this, but central leadership

1049
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: was like, Nope, you've got to stay the course, some

1050
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: of the leadership flew down there and barged in and

1051
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: yelled at everyone for betraying the movement by by betraying

1052
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: their authority, and called them the enemies of the people.

1053
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: The Young Lord's Party changed their name to Puerto Rican

1054
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: Revolutionary Workers Organization, which isn't so catchy. They demoted their

1055
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: central leader for being too petty bourgeoisie. And that's kind

1056
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: of the tail spin of the New York chapter. As

1057
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: far as I can tell, Chicago kept going, and individuals

1058
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: from all of this right and like people still doing

1059
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: things as Young Lords did a lot of stuff. Chicago,

1060
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: in particular, their moment seemed kind of gone, and I

1061
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: don't know enough to do the rest of it real justice.

1062
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 1: A lot of Chicago Young Lords sort of move into

1063
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: the electoral sphere, are involved in getting I think, I

1064
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: want to say Chicago's first black mayor elected. Oh wow,

1065
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: like ten years later or so. It's not in the scripts.

1066
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: I don't have the numbers in front of me. A

1067
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: ton of them stayed really radical and keep kept doing

1068
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: good work. I don't really want to linger on their fall.

1069
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: I want to stay with most of what they did,

1070
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: but I will mention one of the young Lords, one

1071
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: of their lawyers who helped them out a lot. He

1072
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: went on to become a famous man.

1073
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: Oh no, I know what you're talking about.

1074
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: The Republican Fox News host. Oh my god, her name,

1075
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: his name is her Alda Rivera.

1076
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, taking my fucking head. I prefer to

1077
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: remember Huan Gonzales instead. Yeah, co Steve Democracy now.

1078
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, and fucking and your

1079
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: uncle who fucking quit. Yeah yeah, he's not actually related.

1080
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to see about that. Okay, Okay, I'm

1081
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: scared of DNA websites, so I don't do that, but

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Speaker 2: I'll do some I'll do some googling, yeah, and find him,

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Speaker 2: write him a random email.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no. And it's like every some cliche. I

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01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: learned a long time ago that like every story is

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01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: a tragedy if you don't know when to end it,

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Speaker 1: you know, because like all of us die, right, everything passes,

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Speaker 1: But god damn it, that's so much done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And also there are so many of these members

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Speaker 2: who even if they didn't get famous or something, you know,

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Speaker 2: there were still like incredible community activists and yeah, you know,

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01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 2: are doing or making an amazing art. One woman made

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Speaker 2: a really great documentary called That's Really Great on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: So they're still out there and there's still total badasses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so fucking good. I listened to a bunch

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Speaker 1: of different interviews where yeah, you can still listen to

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Speaker 1: interviews where like the guy who stole the van, who's like, yeah,

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01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: we stole the van, and like the woman who like

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Speaker 1: staffed the table in the host in Lincoln Hospital and

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01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: just was like every day I'm gonna sit in the

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Speaker 1: butcher shop and let people tell me what's wrong here,

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01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, like still alive, like still fucking yeah. Well

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Speaker 1: that's ah, that's the Young Lords. That's the first four

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01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 1: partter I ever wrote. The second one we recorded, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know any any other final.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I think we said it all. I guess.

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01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 2: You know. For me, what I really took away from

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01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: learning about the Young Lords is just is how important

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01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: it was for them and it is for us to

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01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: listen to the folks that live around us, to listen

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Speaker 2: to people who you know, if you're someone like me

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Speaker 2: who's an artist, I think it's really important for me

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01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 2: to listen to people who have to fucking work every

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01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 2: day and or are much older than me or you know.

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Speaker 2: I think that was something that I really inspired me

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01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 2: about them is their ability in the beginning to listen

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Speaker 2: to their community about what they wanted and needed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and just like create a fucking to

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Speaker 1: do list and just started checking boxes off seriously.

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01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also the Berets were cool, let's just.

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01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: Say it, and first organized by a fifteen year old

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01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: who was like, I need fucking I need to like

1124
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,520
Speaker 1: throw a bunch of dance shows to like make money

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01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: to get us all cool black and for the whim. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: if people want to listen to you, I will say

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01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: everyone should go listen to the song Polente. You should

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Speaker 1: look it up on YouTube so you can watch the

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01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: video p A l e n t E. I don't

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Speaker 1: know where the p A l a n t e

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01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: a n t e. Yeah, apologize.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a great music video directed by my friend

1133
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: Chris Murk, who's an incredible director. My dad is in it,

1134
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 2: which is really cool to see him pop up in there,

1135
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 2: and a lot of there's the Pedro Pietri uh an

1136
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: excerpt from his his poem Puerto Rican Obituary. And I

1137
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: encourage anybody to just like go down the rabbit hole

1138
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: of like how much amazing stuff was created from this movement,

1139
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 2: like the new Eekan Poets Cafe and stuff like that.

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01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your new album called?

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01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: Well, my new album. I just finished recording it, so

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01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: I'm not going to reveal the name yet.

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01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry I timed this past.

1144
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, it's okay. Uh, it's going to come out.

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01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 2: I hope it comes out sometime next year. I haven't

1146
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: gotten the rough mixes back yet, so I'm going kind

1147
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: of crazy because I want to hear what I did.

1148
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is what you're about to tour on.

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01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 2: No, I'm still touring on my last record. My last

1150
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 2: record is called Life on Earth. It came out last February,

1151
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: and I'll be out there playing music like on the

1152
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 2: West Coast in May cool, and then in July. Oh yeah,

1153
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to be playing Portland cool. In July. I'll

1154
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 2: be playing all around like the Midwest and stuff sick. Yeah,

1155
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 2: So come see us, buy some merch, help us out.

1156
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 2: We're it's tough out there, hanging in there.

1157
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: Hasn't been a good couple of years for career musicians.

1158
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying my god, Yeah, I get like,

1159
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: you know, a glimmer of a penny anytime you listen

1160
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: to me on Spotify, so head over to band camp.

1161
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 2: I encourage everyone to get music off band camp on

1162
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 2: band Camp Fridays. It really helps us.

1163
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I try and buy albums and then I do

1164
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: a lot of my listening on Spotify. But I like

1165
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: it's nice to also buy it, you.

1166
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, totally, yeah, it all helps.

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01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, what else can I pitch? I'm going to

1168
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Speaker 1: kickstart a tabletop role playing game this summer.

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01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I've been working on a stabletop role playing game called

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01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: Number City for like ten fucking years, and I'm working

1172
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: with a really good crew of people. If you want

1173
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:01,320
Speaker 1: to play Gangs Versus the God King tabletop role playing game,

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01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 1: you should check that out once it gets kickstarted. I

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01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: think I don't want to. I know what dates. I

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01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: think we're going to kickstart it, but I don't want

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01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: to say it. But I don't want to be wrong.

1178
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to be another tabletop role playing

1179
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: game I'm writing for oh that was not announced yet. Ah,

1180
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: stupid things with things and controlling information. That's what I

1181
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: got and also my most recent book is Escape from

1182
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: Insul Island, and if you want quick adventure, read it's

1183
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,760
Speaker 1: very short book. If you have a I get a

1184
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,479
Speaker 1: lot of messages from people who are like, I don't

1185
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: read much because I don't have the attention span for

1186
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: it anymore. But I can read your books. Takes only

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01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: a couple hours to read it Escape from Insul Island.

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01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: And he'd be like, I read a whole last book

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01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 1: because his about one hundred pages long. Uh. And you

1190
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: can also get my friend Jamie's book called raw dogged

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01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: Rall Dog, Oh God.

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01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 2: Dog.

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01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: Okay, you can get Jamie's book, which is about hot dogs.

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01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, Margaret, there's no

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01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: double euphemism there. I'm fucking literally blushing. I think we

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Speaker 1: got to end the episode.

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Speaker 3: It's over.

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Speaker 1: We're done. You did it.

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Speaker 3: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media,

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