WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Sky Raisins 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.280 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:11.039 My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.600 Listener mail, This is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.760 You know, Rob, Sometimes I get tripped up on on 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.279 whether we're saying I am or whether we're saying this 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:21.600 is what what? What is the difference in that intro? 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:23.639 I'm not quite sure, but sometimes you go this is 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:25.400 and then I go I am, and then I feel 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.080 like I screwed something up. This is I am. I 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.800 don't know. I never actually I never planned that part. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:32.400 It just kind of comes out one way or the other. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.720 And there's no telling why. This is he as you 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:44.360 am me and we are all together, all right, Let's 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.120 get right into the message. This first one is about 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:49.839 the episode we did on the Speaking Sword, the sentient 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.880 talking weapon of mythology or are you ready rob Let's 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:56.520 do it? Okay? It comes from Ahmed. Ahmed says, hey, 0:00:56.600 --> 0:00:59.040 Robert and Joe. Actually Ahmed has written in before, but 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.680 he clarifies some thing at the beginning. He says Ahmed 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:06.600 again pronunciation Note it's Ahmed the Pakistani way, not Ahmed 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.600 the Arab way. Though, of course you had no way 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.440 of knowing that. Well, Thanks Ahmed, and yeah, as a 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.160 side note, anybody who wants to write in in the future, 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:16.960 if you've got pronunciation notes on your name or pronouns 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.160 or whatever whatever would help us identify you better, but 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:24.440 please include them. Yes, Ahmed writes, Your recent episodes about 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:28.520 personality imbued weapons and weapons technologies made me think about 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:33.120 the peungen arrows and Tonga device of Korean archery. These 0:01:33.160 --> 0:01:36.160 were an ingenious pair that worked together to give medieval 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:40.319 Korean archers an advantage in firepower. The peongen was a 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:45.119 small bolt like arrow whose sizement that for equivalent propulsion 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.559 it went faster and further than a typical large arrow. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.320 But how do you use such a small arrow without 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.600 having it flopping around between the drawn bowstring and the 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:58.600 bow handle. This is where the tonga came in. Essentially 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:02.840 a longitudinally hut bamboo tube held by the archer in 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:07.000 the bow handle hand. This arrow guide let users support 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:11.400 and aim their peungen at full draw before releasing, so 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.720 kind of like a kind of like a a half 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:18.239 pipe rifle barrel for an arrow. That was my editorializing. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.079 Ahmed goes on and added benefit was that in an 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.280 arrow when picking up the enemy's volleys and firing them 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:28.640 back with standard practice, rival archers without an overdraw device 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:33.119 like the Tonga found Peongan uselessly short. Oh that's great. Yeah, 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:34.840 so the enemy picks it up and it's like it's 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:39.400 too puny to fit between the bow and the draw string. Continuing, 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.160 I think Korean archery would make for a good topic 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.040 for stuff to blow your mind. There's a ton of 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:47.720 fascinating history and culture, and it's a subject with reverberations 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.880 to the current day, as evidenced by South Korea's domination 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.799 of Olympic archery. Anyways, keep up the great work, Ahmed. Huh, Well, 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.920 you know that this this is all wonderful. I didn't 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.000 really know anything about Korean archery, but I have thought 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:03.720 in the past that archery in general would be a 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.440 great topic for us to explore because you see all 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:12.320 these different cultural variations on a different innovations that were 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:16.680 often game changing innovations on the battlefield. So and then, 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:18.679 of course we could also potentially just get into the 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.799 basic physics of the activity. We did cover the addle 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:26.240 addle on, right, we did. Yeah, so we kind of did. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.120 We kind of did the like the introductory chapter to 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.720 a series that we just haven't quite got around to doing. 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.360 It's been a while, but I recall some of the 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:36.800 papers we looked at for the Addle Addle did some 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:42.440 rough comparisons between like the the uh, the pros and 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.640 cons basically of the addleaddle versus the bows that would 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.120 come later or or in some cases before. But anyway, hey, 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:56.560 thanks for the email. All right, here's another one. We 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.040 heard from a lot of people regarding our Mirrors series, 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:00.960 which which is great. We we knew this would be 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:04.160 the case since we all have experience with mirrors, and 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.560 if you happen to have not had any experience of 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:09.200 the mirrors, then hopefully our episodes turns you onto mirrors. 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.720 And you've just been really blown away by what this 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.200 technology can do. You're like, I gotta try one of 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.240 these things. I'm hoping we can leverage this into a 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:21.400 sponsorship from mirror Box. It's you know, that mirror subscription service. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.520 Is this the thing? This is actually a thing, not 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.279 making this? I mean it would be great, right for 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.960 people who just can't stop smashing mirrors? Yeah? Yeah, alright, 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.080 So Samantha Rites, Hello Robin Joe, I listened with interest 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.239 to your recent podcasts The Invention of the Mirror, Part four, 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.520 on Joe's question of why mirrors seem to be associated 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:42.320 with some form of local superstition. My hypothesis is that 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.599 any kind of reflection of oneself, whether physical or figurative, 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:50.080 tends to be a transcendental experience. It is odd, almost 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.760 jarring when we first catch sight of ourselves, such as 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.880 when a baby sees there there again, not there again, 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.160 reflection on a shiny toy, or a dog barks at 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.560 a glass door. The early forms of reflections, being distorted 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:09.000 and imperfect yet recognizable, might have heightened that sense of surrealism. 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.360 In truth, we never get to lay eyes on ourselves 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.839 the way we lie lay eyes on every other object 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.080 in the physical world. Reflections are a way of understanding 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:19.960 what others see when they lay eyes upon us, and 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.480 is essentially a not out of body, out of body experience, 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.920 since we are finally inhabiting a viewpoint that cannot belong 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:31.719 to us naturally. Similarly, when we do a figurative self reflection, 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:33.960 we are asked to step out of ourselves, inhabiting the 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.880 viewpoints of others to reflect on our own actions as 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:40.280 a bystander. It's very interesting that in this same podcast, 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.839 Rob mentions cameras and photographs in the same breath as mirrors. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.719 I didn't catch what was the exact connection drawn, but 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.120 some older folk where I am do not like profiles 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.400 of themselves taken. There's an old superstition about capturing someone's 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.120 essence with camera on film, and I believe it stems 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.440 from the same discomfort of being able to see in self, 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.240 not as a reflection as in mirrors, but now in 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:07.600 a two dimensional portable film where obstensibly like like, some 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:11.200 part of one's likeness is preserved. If you believe that 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.000 your likeness forms a part of your being, than to 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:17.560 have your likeness preserved in another medium may lead some 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:20.360 to believe that some part of their being has also 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:24.039 been detached along with it. And if you believe that 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:28.279 being is a finite quantity, then the natural conclusion is 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.640 that one has somehow lost some portion of one's being 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:36.599 with each photo taken. Mirrors reflect, and photos capture. Perhaps 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:40.440 their associated superstitions remind us how infrequently we got to 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.920 see ourselves in the past. Oh thanks Samantha. Yeah, very 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.320 thoughtful email. A lot of a lot of cool stuff here. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.320 I think that's that's all all very valid and um 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.000 and and again it's it's interesting how you if you 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:56.080 you read uh boorheads, if you read his his poem 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.200 on mirrors, which I know I keep mentioning, uh, but 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.000 if if you read it in full, it's like he 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:04.560 manages to encapsulate all of these various, um, you know, 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.159 twisting ideas about mirrors and reflection. Uh you know what 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.520 what they mean, what they seem to mean, how they 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:14.920 how they impact our cognition and are how we envision 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.520 ourselves and others. It's it's it's wonderful stuff. But but 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:20.720 it does just come down to the fact that mirrors 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:26.120 are inherently weird and they turn our world on end, truly, 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.920 and and in that vein Okay, I'm gonna go straight 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:38.000 into this next message from Simon. All Right, Simon says, Hi, gents, 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.200 have just been listening to your series on mirrors and 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.680 was wondering if you missed an interesting question. Why do 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:48.880 mirrors only reverse the reflection on the horizontal plane relative 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:51.640 to your head? Why is it not reversed on the 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.520 vertical plane. There was a thought that it was due 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.240 to your eyes being on a horizontal plane, but if 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.560 you close one eye, the image is still reverse, and 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.560 if you tilt your head sideways, it's still reversed on 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.960 the horizontal plane relative to your head. I mean, I 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:08.840 don't know the answer, but I'd love to hear you 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:11.560 guys discuss it. Thanks and keep up the good work. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.880 I love the podcast, Simon. Okay, so this is something 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.600 I have definitely wondered about before, and it can be 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:22.640 really difficult to reason your way through this. I actually 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.760 already tried to answer this email once on last week's 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.800 Listener Mail episode, but then I was not satisfied with 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:30.760 how I explained it, so I cut that out and 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.320 I'm trying again. This is my second run on this, 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.400 and it's my best attempt to clarify the answer to 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.440 this question. So, first of all, I would argue that 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.920 the clearest way to understand what a mirror is doing 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.439 to your image is to start by just ignoring the 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:50.959 concept of left and right and only think about objective 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.680 directions within a reference frame. So I'll try to illustrate that. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.840 I'll give you something to picture in your head. Imagine 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.160 you are standing facing a mirror or that is mounted 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.160 on a wall directly to the north of you. So 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.120 when you look into that mirror, you are facing straight 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:11.960 to the north. Your back is facing directly to the south. Now, 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.000 if you're in this situation and you raise your left 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.319 arms straight out to the side, which cardinal direction is 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.960 it pointing? That would be west right. And now if 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.800 you imagine looking at your reflection, which direction is your 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:28.120 reflection pointing also to the west? Same for your other arm. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.160 If you raise it up to the to your side 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.960 and you point to the east, your reflection also points 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.000 to the east. Now, notice that the same thing is 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.720 true on the vertical plane as well. Your head is 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.560 pointing up, your feet are pointing down, and the same 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.200 thing is true of your reflection. The head is up, 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:48.160 the feet are down. But now imagine this, take a 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:52.600 step toward the mirror, and here you can actually see 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.839 the first time in this thought experiment, that the directionality 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:00.439 of your reflected image actually does the opposite of what 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:03.760 you did within the reference frame around you. You took 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.760 a step to the north, and your reflection took a 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:11.200 step to the south. So the real direction that is 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.040 reversed in a mirror is not along the horizontal plane 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.880 or the vertical plane, but it is along the z 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:22.239 axis the plane of depth or the plane of distance 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:26.800 from the mirror surface. A mirror inverts the order of 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:30.679 objects moving away from its surface. So what does this 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.959 mean for your reflection in a mirror. Well, the best 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.079 way that I've seen this put is that maybe you 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.959 should think about your reflection in a mirror not as 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.679 reversed from left to right, but as inside out. That's 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.000 almost quite literally what it is. The inside is the 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:52.360 outside in terms of the depth dimension. Okay, so that 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.320 gets you halfway there, because that gives you a clearer 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.280 picture of what a mirror is actually doing to your image. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.680 But the question still remains of why, when we look 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.440 at this inside out version of ourselves, why does it 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:10.000 seem to be reversed horizontally but not vertically. Why is 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.240 that the way our brain makes sense of what we're 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.280 looking at. I think the answer to this is that 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:19.200 the image seems to be reversed along the horizontal plane 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:24.840 because our bodies are horizontally symmetrical, and thus we have 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:30.880 a concept of handedness only along the horizontal plane. Uh So, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.319 to to see the difference here, try to imagine a 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:40.000 creature that is vertically symmetrical, but not horizontally symmetrical. And 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:42.800 for simplicity's sake, to do this, really all you have 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.680 to do is imagine a human, but a human that 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:50.760 travels everywhere by levitating in the air on their side. Okay, 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.160 So they never stand upright on the ground. They float 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:57.120 sideways in the air, so such that if they lift 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.880 out their right hand, their right hand points towards the ground, 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:02.280 and if they lift up their left hand, their left 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:06.040 hand points towards the sky. Can you picture this, I'm picturing. 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:08.320 It's weird, but I'm picturing, okay. So think about how 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.280 this would be affected by the inside out reflection this 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:15.720 person sees in a mirror. If this sideways levitating human 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.120 looked into a mirror, their handedness would be reversed, not 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.720 on the horizontal plane, but on the vertical plane. So 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:26.920 they're floating sideways. If they reach out with their right hand, 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:30.400 which is pointing down, their reflection would reach out with 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:35.240 its left hand, which would be pointing down, and vice versa. 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:37.920 So in the end, I think this is the best 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.000 way to make sense of it. The fact that we 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:45.560 perceive ourselves as horizontally reversed but not vertically reversed in 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:50.800 a mirror is because our bodies are horizontally symmetrical on 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:55.040 each side, and thus we have a horizontal concept of handedness. 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.760 It's not really about the mirror, but about the orientations 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.600 of our bodies and how our concept of handedness works. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.439 Now that I've taken two runs at that, I hope 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:07.920 that it at least provides some clarity on the issue. 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.600 That's my my best attempt. I don't know. I think 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:18.960 it works. I think it works all right. Here's another 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:21.200 one that comes to us from Matt. Good day, gentlemen, 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:25.080 enjoyed still and enjoying the Mirror series. Quick thought on 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.960 what it's likely the most irrelevant part of the recent episodes. 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.880 Don't knock the beef tea too hard? How did thee 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.720 come up? Stand up for beef tea? Oh? I remember 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:39.400 it was because we talked about UM Eustace fun lie Big, 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:46.120 who was the inventor of the silvering process for mirrors. 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:49.360 Because remember we talked about how UM going into the 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.440 nineteenth century, a lot of the mirrors that were made 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.240 in these factories were made with a mercury tin amalgam 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.679 that had mercury content. That was Oh, we didn't even 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.240 bring this up in the episodes. So we talked about 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.440 how the mercury tin amalgam was hazardous to the health 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.960 of the workers and the mirror shops that made the 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:10.520 looking glass. But also I was reading about how antique 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:15.080 mirrors can sometimes just in somebody's house give them mercury poisoning, 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.600 like if the mercury starts leaching out of the the 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.960 amalgam at the back of the mirror. But anyway, von 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:24.040 Lee Big was responsible for coming up with UM some 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:28.120 innovations in the in the process that allowed the chemical 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:32.600 reaction to deposit a thin layer of silver. I think 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.760 now a lot of mirrors are also made with aluminum, 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:37.480 but some are still made with this silver process. Uh, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.600 this layer of silver on the back of the glass 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:43.119 that led to or was the precursor for the the 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.760 mirror making process that is still used in some places today. 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.960 But another thing that used as fondly Big did was 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.360 he was really into UM. He was really into the 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:57.960 idea of like preserving nutrition from meats and and maximizing 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.080 nutrition in agriculture and things like that, and so he 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:03.480 had he played some role in the creation of these 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:08.080 meat extract things that I think eventually gave rise to 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:11.320 like the Oxo beef boullion type packets that would be 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.240 used in making something in the episode we called beef tea, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:18.360 but would probably more appetizingly be called beef broth. Yes, 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.280 and so so this is what Matt is referring to. 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.680 Matt can take these quote. It might be some of 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:26.000 the stereotypical British heritage coming out here, but a little 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.000 hot beef tea broth really goes pretty well with a biscuit. Also, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.560 it can be a nice change from chicken broth when 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:37.840 sick bovril oxo packets. It's a world of options. This 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.720 might seem ridiculous to many, but different strokes for different folks, 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:45.120 you know, keep on keeping on, Matt. Oh thanks, Matt. Well, yeah, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.280 I don't. I didn't mean to knock beef tea. I 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:49.160 think we were just making fun of what the words 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:54.440 sounded like. Yeah, and certainly various broths can be quite 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.880 satisfying if it's said, if it's a good meaty broth, 0:15:58.000 --> 0:15:59.200 or if you're you know, you're going with like a 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.240 veggie broth or something. Um. Yeah, so so many uh so, 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.520 so many options there, though, I do wonder are we 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:09.080 talking when we're talking about a biscuit here? What specifically 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.240 are we talking about something on the sweeter end or 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:16.000 something more uh savory? Oh yeah, so if this is 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.160 by the British definition, I think a biscuit would be 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:24.680 what Americans might call a cookie or a cracker. Yeah. 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.280 I don't know, but certainly I can easily agree with 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.760 the value of dipping a sort of savory baked good 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.680 into some sort of hardy broth. Uh that that sounds delicious? 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:47.960 Oh yeah, okay. The next message comes to us from Diana. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:52.160 Diana says, Hello, Robin Joe, thank you for providing infinite 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:54.600 questions for my kids to ask while we're driving. We 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:58.480 all enjoy the show. But to the cats, I have 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.280 three cats, and while I don't know if they recognize 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:05.080 themselves in the mirror, they clearly know how mirrors work, 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.320 just like venus. I think that might be referring to 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.800 the rogueby Venus. Uh. They often scope out others in 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.400 the mirror and from around corners. Then when they move 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.879 to pounce, they will run around the corners and not 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.200 into the mirror, so they seem to understand reflections. Also, 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.200 if their prey makes eye contact through the mirror, they'll 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:29.040 break off the attack. By prey, I mean humans, lady, 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.919 the elderly dog, or each other. Maybe a sky raisin. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:38.480 Thanks for everything, including the car conversations. Have a great day, Diana. Diana, 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:40.520 I did not know what a sky raisin was. I 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:44.160 looked it up. I think that means a fly. Oh okay, 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:49.160 that's that's maybe sort of cat speech. Yeah, that might 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:52.119 be kind of a loll cat dialect thing. But the 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.879 sky raising like it's a fly meaning a treat that 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:58.320 comes from the air. Yeah. Yeah, this is fascinating though. 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.760 Hearing more about uh, cat owners and and pet owners 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.240 in general, and how they're observing their pets, engaging or 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.800 not engaging with mirrors. Uh that the I love this, 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.760 the little the little predators making use of the reflections. Yeah, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:22.920 all right. We have heard from more folks regarding our 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.360 weird house cinema episodes. Uh this one, next, next one 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:30.800 comes to us from Dalen. I believe I have that right, um. 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:35.120 Dalen writes, Hello there, I was wondering how y'all would 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.119 rank the Star Wars movies. Popped in my head to 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.040 ask because the way you describe some Weird House Movies 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:45.440 makes me, uh think that Episodes eight and Episodes nine 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:48.880 fit the bill for interestingly bad movies. I hope you're 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.760 doing at least pretty okay. I like how Dalin's just 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.960 like needling us with this thing. Could you talk about 0:18:56.040 --> 0:19:01.320 ranking the Star Wars movies? Well, let's see, so ranking 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.600 the Star Wars movies, So ranking films, I don't know. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:06.240 It's one of those things that can certainly be fun 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:09.720 and I engage in sometimes that I tend to approach 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:14.360 it a very subjectively, like I'm I'm not trying to 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:16.679 to to be you know, very objective, like this is 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.240 what the universe thinks of and should think of these films. 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:22.679 It's just not how I approach films in general. And 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:25.880 then also you you don't you don't coerce with your 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.639 opinions about and the And I totally understand the movies 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.639 that I like are not necessarily the movies other people like. Uh, 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:34.520 and then the movies that I like today are not 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:36.520 necessarily the movies I'm gonna like tomorrow. Like that's the 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:41.280 other part of it. So if I just counting the 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.400 main films, this is the order I would go in 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.800 right now. Based on my current relationship with the Star 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:53.000 Wars films, I'd go Return Revenge, Empire, Clones, Last Jedi, Uh, 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:57.520 New Hope, Phantom, Menace, Force Awakens, uh, and then the 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:00.960 Rise of Skywalk I respect your autonomy that some of 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:04.080 those orderings are strange to me, but I respect it. Yeah, 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.200 I mean, like I said, some of it, this is 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:07.919 not where I would have been years ago. For instance, 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:10.560 An Attack of the Clones was never my favorite Star 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.080 Wars film. Um. In fact, when it came out, I 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:16.159 remember being very vocal about problems I had with it. 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:20.639 But my son loves it and has watched it multiple times, 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.560 so it's kind of rubbed off on me, like I 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.080 can't I can't dislike this film that he likes so much. 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.679 And then I'll also have to throw in that the 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:32.480 Clone Wars animated series builds upon those movies so much 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.040 and and adds so much more to them that like 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:38.840 you can sort of retroactively go back and find more 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.440 things to enjoy those films, or at least I could. Uh. 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.680 So Yeah, it's very subjective, but ultimately I love Star 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:49.000 Wars movies. All these Star Wars movies had something for me, 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.600 Like even though I put Rise of Skywalker last on 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:53.919 the list. I think it still had some very solid 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:55.719 elements to it as well. It has some great light 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.080 saber battle, so you know, at the end of the day, 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:01.359 I like that more than most things. Yeah, I also 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.000 so much like you, Rob, I uh, I feel like 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:08.440 I used to rank things like movies and and albums 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:10.400 and stuff like that more in my head. I would 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.040 make lists of my favorites of things, and now I 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.960 find that a really almost kind of painful activity to attempt. 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.080 But I want to be a good sport and play along, 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:23.159 um so, so I'll try to do mine. Dallan. So 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:26.480 my rankings, I think would have to split into sort 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:30.359 of an upper compartment and a lower compartment in which 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:34.199 completely different rules apply to the two different compartments. So 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.080 I think it would probably go something like this. Also, 0:21:36.119 --> 0:21:38.720 I think my my upper level ordering and going to 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.359 have a lot of surprises. You know. As much as 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:43.360 it might pain me that this is true, I'd say 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:47.600 it probably conforms to general critical consensus. So I'd go 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:51.600 definitely Empire Strikes Back first, then the original Star Wars, 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.560 then Return of the Jedi. Then I'd go the Last Jedi, 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.840 and then after those four. At this point, the list 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:01.760 becomes much more certain, because I think all four of 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:03.720 the ones I just named our movies that I feel 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.919 are just solidly good, and I can compare them in 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:12.080 some way that's comprehensible. After this, it becomes unclear to 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.840 me how I should compare the movies. But my initial 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.320 read was to go something like Revenge of the Sith, 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:22.440 Force Awakens, Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Rise of Skywalker. 0:22:23.320 --> 0:22:25.800 And so it's kind of hard for me to compare 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.600 my feelings about like the prequels and the first and 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:34.040 third Revival film because I think they they succeed and 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.440 fail in extremely different ways, and the way I would 0:22:37.440 --> 0:22:41.520 express that is for me, the later sequels push the 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:45.280 buttons on my brain much more effectively, like in Force 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.560 Awakens and Rise of Skywalker, even though I rated them lower. 0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:50.639 There are plenty of moments in those sequels where I 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:52.679 really get caught up in the story. I feel strong 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:56.480 emotional reactions to the characters, um like they can really 0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:58.200 make me feel something, you know, I can. I can 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.760