1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Everybody, Welcome back to the second hour of the Sean 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: Hannity Program. This is Jay Secular and Jordan's Secular. We 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: are subbing in for Sean today. Jordan and I head 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: up an organization called the American Center for Law Injustice. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: That's a legal firm that stands up for the values 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: and things and the issues that you care about. And 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: that's why we're glad to be with you today. We 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: had a great opportunity. One of our this is unbelievable 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: to be able to say, one of our staff members 10 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: is Mike Pompeio, the former Secretary of State who was 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: our senior counsel Jordan for Global Affairs at the ACLJ. Yeah, 12 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: it's also the former CIA director, a military background, a 13 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: member of Congress who's got kind of everything together and 14 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, all all this stuff with the Chinese balloon 15 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: and the Chinese spy balloon and ultimately it was shut 16 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,919 Speaker 1: down and now we know in Fox News is reporting 17 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: the administration at Military telling us that they found most 18 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: of this intact, which is good. That's good if we're 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: able then to the saltwater to destroy what was intact 20 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: and we're able to extract their technology. You really what 21 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: we want to know. Of course, what was bad was 22 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: that the Biden administration allowed the balloon, which was a 23 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: spin to traverse the entire United States over sensitive military sites, 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: not just sensory military sites, I mean sensitive sites including 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: you know, they said they could it could pick up 26 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: signal intelligence, which means phone calls. It was that sophisticated 27 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: phone calls, radar, anything done electronically, and the Biden administration 28 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: let it go throughout the entire United States. That's right. Yeah, 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: Let that sit in for a minute. That you had 30 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: a situation where a balloon flying in about sixty thousand 31 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: feet was able to get all the thirty you can 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: drop down of thirty was controlled by the Chinese government 33 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: as it was flying over the United States. By the way, 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: you think they'd allow us to do that to China. 35 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: We wouldn't do it, and they wouldn't do it. And 36 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: then it's getting signal intelligence, which means everything from communication 37 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: of sensitive military information. And this administration says, do you 38 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: remember this one? They called it a domain gap the 39 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: intelligence officials because they didn't market urgent when it was 40 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: first traversing towards the United States, coming towards the United States, 41 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: our intelligence, you know in this United country, I'm which 42 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm very concerned about, because they said, well, it's a 43 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: domain gap. It was our mistake, basically our bad. We 44 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't have done it, and we let it go over 45 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: and we didn't communicate it. His urgent, how do you 46 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: not communicate a spy balloon flying at fifty to sixty 47 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: thousand feet that can go down a thirty feet that's 48 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, flying over the United States, 49 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: including military basis, how do you say that's not urgent? 50 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this is all urgent. Presidents tried to play 51 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: this off, this is no big deal, no problem, but 52 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: then he admitted to never talking to presidency. He has 53 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: had no communication with presidency. Based off his interviews. He 54 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: said that to Judy Woodorff, I believe. And then he 55 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: said the Secretary of State, of course, we know that 56 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: the Chinese will not speak to him. Secretary defends the Chinese, 57 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: his counterpart will not speak to him. So so far, 58 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: based on what the administration has told us, there has 59 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: been no high level communication between China and the US. 60 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: But since we shot the ballue down, the Chinese did 61 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: ask for the balloon back but here's the exact quote 62 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: that was about from our intelligence officials and our military. 63 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: We did not detect those threats. And that's a domain 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: awareness gap. I mean, I'll tell you what. It is 65 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 1: a major mess up and put the entire country at risk. 66 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: And then he says, we have to figure that out. 67 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: Now you know what we guess. Okay, but you know 68 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: what we just talked about in the last hour. We 69 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 1: talked about the fact that you got the FBI now 70 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: targeting quote radical Catholics. That is a Catholic that goes 71 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: to maths and the mass is in Latin and the 72 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: FBI Field office in Richmond sends out a memo radical 73 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: traditional Catholics, Radical and the FBI sends us out in 74 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: the memo. But they said the FBI said, oh, don't worry, 75 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: we do now realize we shouldn't have done that, but 76 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: only went to the FBI, by the way, and we said, 77 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: by the way, the ACLJ, we sent out a Freedom 78 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: of Information Act. They call them request, I call them 79 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: demands to the FBI. I want to know who drafted 80 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: that memo where it could go. We talked about that, so, 81 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you understand the nature and scope of all this. 82 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: You gotta fight back on these issues. So let me 83 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: tell you what we had. The opportunity we get to 84 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: have my Pompeo and our broadcast. We do a broadcast 85 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: as well. It's new and Eastern time, just called Seculo, 86 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: and you can find that information about that at ACLJA 87 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: dot org. And again you could get information about our broadcast. 88 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: But because Mike is a member of our team as 89 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: our senior counsel for Global affairs, we had the pleasure 90 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: of sitting down with him earlier to discuss these issues 91 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: of China. Let's take a listen, Mike, I want to 92 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: start with a statement from President Biden about China. It's 93 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: bite nineteen. Let's go ahead and play. It is now 94 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: between the US and China taking a big hit. How 95 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: do you know, I know I talked to him. You've 96 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: talked to before. I and our team talks to the 97 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: people during this. Yeah, after diving talked to him to 98 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: during this. But look, I mean I'm right here, okay, 99 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: So set missus Secretary. He had another question was coming 100 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: from Judy Woodruffe. We've just had that balloon traversity the 101 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: United States, and you know he keeps phrasing this as 102 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: competition not enemies are not you know, not rivals in 103 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: that sense. Well, what you you had to deal with 104 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: chesing Pin, you know him? I mean, so what what's 105 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: your sense of the way the administration is handling this? Well, Jay, 106 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to assure your audience that the Chinese Commist 107 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: Party views America as an enemy, as an adversary. There 108 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: he shooting thing has made no mistake. He wants global hedgem, 109 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: and he wants to control not only countries close to his, 110 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: but ours as well. And to hear our presidents say, 111 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: I mean confusing, right, I art to tell yeah, we 112 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: talked to him, Well, we don't talk to him. It 113 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: sounds like they've rejected our calls. They should have been 114 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: chased us doubt Frankly, I'm saying we're so storry. We 115 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: stuent a PLA. That is the Chinese military balloon. That's 116 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: who belonged to. It wasn't a weather service, it wasn't 117 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: their aviation weather gathering. It was the Chinese military, the 118 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: People's Liberation Army balloon across our country for five days. 119 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: It spied on us. And to hear our presidents say, gosh, 120 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't change anything. Nothing's different. It is pretty pretty 121 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: dart outrageous, but mostly it is really dangerous. I mean, 122 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: as Secretary a bo Peo, we hear that, and I 123 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: think the American people just scratching their heads. They're going, 124 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: what is going on in our leadership in our country, 125 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: the disconnect between our military leaders, the general from NORAD 126 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: saying they just they dropped the ball. They couldn't they 127 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: didn't pick this up. And and now the absurdity as well, 128 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: we've seen China say we want this back. I mean, 129 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: this is the kind of boldness of the Chinese. I know, 130 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: I don't think the Biden administration will do that, but 131 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: it just kind of shows where they think they're standing 132 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: is in the world. Jared, I don't think they'll give 133 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: it back either, but I would have never dreamed they 134 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: would allow it to reverse our country for almost a 135 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: weekend and humiliate our country and allow them to capture 136 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: a lot of information, not only what appears to have 137 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: been Signal's collection antenna that we're on the balloon, but 138 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: also to send a message to the whole world, to 139 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: our friends, Hey, America can't defend its own sovereignty against 140 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: a balloon traveling at sixty feet gun or fifteen miles 141 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: an hour. That is dangerous. That weakness is very provocative, 142 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: and you think things certainly was testing us, and the 143 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: Biden administration absolutely failed this particular test. We have our 144 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: ACLJ action. Mike has sent a letter to our an 145 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: email to our members. Now we've already received five thousand 146 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: responses in about three hours about the situation with TikTok 147 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: and the banning of TikTok, which we think you know 148 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: the President said it sounded like he was at least 149 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: open to it. Will you explain. I think it's very important, 150 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: coming from you as a former director of the Central 151 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: Intelligence Agency, the CIA, and as our former secretary of State, 152 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: the danger of TikTok's being a TikTok app on someone's phone. 153 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,559 Speaker 1: Let me talk directly to parents. Parents of your child 154 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: is using TikTok, The Chinese Communist Party is capturing lots 155 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: of information about them, what they watch, when they watch it, 156 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: how they watch it, what they watch in sequence, who 157 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: their friends are who are watching it alongside of them, 158 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: what their face looks like, lots of data. Goodness knows 159 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: how they will ultimately use that. So parents, for that 160 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: reason alone, should take this off their kids phone. Second, 161 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: they are also flooding your children. They're flooding your children 162 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: with propaganda, Chinese Communist Party propaganda. They're speaking to them 163 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: in ways that undermine America. To talk about an American 164 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: nation that is decadent and in decline, and a Chinese model, 165 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: a communist, socialist, Marxist Leninist model, as the primary way 166 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: that one should think about the world. They are using 167 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: this both as an information collection tool and to change 168 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,439 Speaker 1: the minds of American young people. We ought a were 169 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: not just our government phones, but from every single application 170 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: should be taken off of every phone here in the 171 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: United States. Were aut a phone or laptop or any 172 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: play self said tweet, I wanted to ask you about 173 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about China, about Chairman President Gee. You said, 174 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: I met a Ji Jim pen He was the toughest 175 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: and most evil person I encountered as Secretary of State, 176 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: and it's clear that he's testing us in every direction. 177 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: That is a strong statement as a as a former 178 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 1: secretary of state. Could you got to get into a 179 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: little bit more and explain to people why you picked 180 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: up that feel from him. So my encounters with him, 181 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: sometimes just by myself and sometimes alongside the President were consistent. 182 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: He was dead eyed. He didn't there was no cheer, 183 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: there was no joy. He didn't he didn't smile, there 184 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: was no small talk. He was direct and he was 185 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: vicious in the way he spoke about the things he 186 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: intended to defend. And so you know when I book, 187 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: I call it Never Given Inch. He is the king 188 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: of never giving an inch. He literally wanted everything for him, 189 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: nothing for us. It was it was the inverse of 190 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan. It was the Chinese version of America. Losers 191 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: China win. And I never saw any place where we 192 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: could actually find what President Biden was talking about the 193 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: opening cuts that guys, we're going to find places we 194 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 1: could get along. I never saw that we lived through 195 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: the Wuhuan virus. He spent across the world to kill 196 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: millions of people. We suffered from lots of efforts of 197 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: the Chinese Communist Party to spy on us from their 198 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: consul in Houston, Texas, which we shut down. This was 199 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,959 Speaker 1: a serious man intent on achieving his agemonic objective. People 200 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: forget about the the embassy in Texas that was shut down. 201 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: Let's remind people, mister secretary, why you took that action. 202 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: So Jay, this was the what I believe, the largest 203 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: spuying operation ever conducted inside of the United States against 204 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: the American people. They were their diplomats under diplomatic cover, 205 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: were collecting information about America's most sophisticated energy companies, think 206 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: about the Beltway corridor between Woodlands and Houston Ports. They 207 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: were stealing information from our research universities, our medical facilities 208 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: of Texas Medical System. They were using this to take 209 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: them back to their country to go dump cheap products 210 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: in the United States and to undermine our country. We've 211 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: known this for a while, but much like President Finding, 212 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: previous administration had just been afraid to provoke xixingping and 213 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: took no response. We ultimately did and Americans were safer. 214 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: For that last question, we only got about a minute 215 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: and a half left, and that is, if you were 216 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: the commander in chief and this situation happened with China 217 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: with the balloon, what would have you done? So I 218 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: would have clearly recommended to the president, or if I 219 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: were the president, I would have shot this down long 220 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 1: before it traversed our major military institutions or facilities. Second, 221 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: now that you have hold of the balloon, we should 222 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: collect if there are Western technologies on there, which I'm 223 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: confident we will find. We should make sure those components 224 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: never again leave the United States and go to China. 225 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: And we should thanktion every pla connected company that was 226 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: connected to this balloon program. Think of the People's Liberation 227 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: Army as an extension of China's commerce. We know how 228 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 1: to do it, Jay, We just have to be serious 229 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: about protecting America, all right. Mike Pompeio, our senior counsel 230 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: for Global affairs, former Secretary of State, has always thanks 231 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: for being with us. Thanks for your insight on this 232 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: is critically important. As I said, we're thrilled that Mike 233 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: Pompeo was senior counsel for Global Affairs at our organization, 234 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: the ACLJ. You know, Jordan's interesting what he said. He 235 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: said he had direct experience dealing with Jijingping, the chairman 236 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: of the sometimes one on one. He said he was vicious, 237 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 1: no joy, no cheer. He said, he is the guy. 238 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: Mike has a great book alt called Never Give an Inch, 239 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: but he said this is the king of never given 240 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: an inch. And talking about chairman Ge, he said he 241 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: could never see any place where he could actually get 242 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: along and then he said, serious man intent on achieving 243 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: his goal. Yeah, not just some crazy dictator. So what 244 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: he calls him evil, which he did as well, the 245 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: way he just has, you know, not kind of that 246 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: that evil look in his eyes and no joy. He 247 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: doesn't say he's out of control and doesn't know what 248 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: he's doing, right, He says specifically, he's a serious man 249 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: intent on achieving his objective. Do we have a president 250 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: of United States right now who is a serious man 251 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: intent on achieving objectives that he should be, which is 252 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: defending the United States. That's our number one job as 253 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: president United States. But if we don't, what about that 254 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: interview we did with Judy Wood, I mean, just thinking 255 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: about that, what the president buying? He could not First 256 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: he said he does talk to him, but then he 257 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: acknowledged he did not talk to the chairman of the 258 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: Chinese Common Party since the balloon and yes, yourself, he's 259 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: the president of the United States. If could you imagine 260 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: if it was Donald Trump was in there, you think 261 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: that first of all, they wouldn't be and they try 262 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: to deflect on that too. That applied. Oh there were balloons, 263 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: and during the Trump administration, we just didn't tell anybody 264 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: the government didn't tell the president if this was going 265 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: on our intelligence officials, they would have never done it 266 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: is the truth of the matter. And now what you've 267 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: got is they never flew over the United States. Briefly, 268 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: we're in our briefly within our probably international honors. Also 269 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: President buying in the spity of the Union. We're gonna 270 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: be joined by Senator Lee. This will be fascinating to 271 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: talk to him. Back in the next segment coming up, 272 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: he said he views China's the president not as our adversary, 273 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: but rather as our competitor. Well, you know what Mike 274 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: Pompeo said was actually correct, Chairman, she views the United 275 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: States as the enemy. They had the nerve to say 276 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: we want our balloon back. I mean, just think about 277 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: all of this. As I said, coming up, our good friend, 278 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: Senator Mike Lee. I'm talking to him about a lot 279 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: of issues, including what happened at the Smithsonian, because he's 280 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: been involved in all these issues. So stay tuned for 281 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: more of the Sean Hannity Program. Jay Seculo and Jordan 282 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: Seculo hosting be back in a moment. Hey, welcome back 283 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: to the Sean Hannity's Show. This is Jordan Seculo over 284 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: my dad, Jay Sekulo. We're hosting for Sean today. We 285 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: have got a great segment coming up, a great guest 286 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: coming up, and I can't wait to have Senator Mike 287 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: Lee of Utah is great friend of ours, the Americans, 288 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: sider for law and justice. He's involved the he attacks 289 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: on these students, the pro life students, but also everything 290 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: that he had to sit through at the State of 291 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: the Union, the attack on Republicans trying to take away 292 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: your Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. We're going to talk about 293 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: all of that with Mike Lee in just a few minutes, 294 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: as he joins us. Yeah, and I'll tell you something. 295 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: He's got great insight on all of these major issues 296 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: that we're dealing with. And he's, like I said, he's 297 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: been a great friend of the a c lj's for 298 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: a long long time. 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Coming up, our guest, Senator Mike Lee, We're 326 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: going to talk about the state of the Union speech 327 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: that was something else. Take a listen to this. The 328 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: number of misstatements that's being kind lives would be more 329 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: appropriate from the President of the United States. Listen to this. 330 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: I stand here tonight after we've created, with a help 331 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: of many people in this room, twelve million new jobs, 332 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: more jobs created in two years any presidents created in 333 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: four years. We've already created your help, eight hundred thousand 334 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: good pay manufacturing job, the fastest growth in forty years. 335 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: Thirty million workers have to sign non compete agreements for 336 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: the jobs they take. Thirty million. So a cashier at 337 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: a Burger place can walk across town and take the 338 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: same job at another Burger place to make a few 339 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: bucks more. Just change. But they just changed it. You 340 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: could be exposed it. That was part of the deal, guys. 341 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: Look it up. Instead of making a wealthy pay their 342 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: fair share of some Republicans, some Republicans want Medicare and 343 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 1: so security Sunset. I'm not saying it's a majority, because 344 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: the soul of this nation is strong, Because the back 345 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: book and the backbone of this nation is strong because 346 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: the people of this nation are strong, the state of 347 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: the Union is strong. Thirty million people signing non competes 348 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: to work at a Hamburger restaurant. Where does he he 349 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: made this stuff up? Anyways, this is Jane Jordan. Seconds 350 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: they came, and that's true. They can't find people. We're 351 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 1: not having him to sign. Our good friend, Sentator Mike 352 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: Lee is joining us. Centator Lee from Utah of Course Center. 353 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: It is great to have you, great to talk to you. 354 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 1: You sat through this. I want to get your overall 355 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: reaction first, and it was painful. I think I'd rather 356 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: go to the dentist office, and in fact, to compare 357 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: that to dentist free is any way. In any ways, 358 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: he's not fair of the dental profession. The bottom line 359 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: is he miss apprehends his own role in the universe. 360 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: He missed apprehends the capacity of government to create job. 361 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: It can't because it can't generate wealth. All it does 362 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: is it can tacks and thereby redistribute wealth. But that 363 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: isn't creating jobs. If anything, it's reducing them. He mischaracterized 364 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: our positions left and right, and he did so in 365 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: a way that was really cheap, and he went far 366 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: beyond what I've seen any president do in previous State 367 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: of the Union addresses desiderately. We know that jobs up 368 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: are twelve million, that it's really two million, That's what 369 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: a Bureau of Labor statistics told us. That the other 370 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: ten million were really just jobs that people already had 371 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,239 Speaker 1: that they got back after the COVID reopenings began. That's right, 372 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: and that's how he uses his government manufactured statistics, can 373 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: manipulate them and then manipulate and word smith his messaging 374 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: in a way that makes it look like he's responsible 375 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: for that. But look, I always say that any president, 376 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: any public official, anybody to hear anyone planning to have 377 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: been a job creator, it's not true. If, on the 378 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: other hand, they say set in place a set of 379 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: conditions that allows for stronger free markets and allows people 380 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: to keep more of what they earned, and that has 381 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: led to more economic growth and job creation, they may 382 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: be over the target if they can back it up 383 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: with steps. President Biden has neither of those things. He 384 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: has neither the logic nor defacts to back him up. 385 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: And that's what makes this so indefensible, you know, said 386 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: there's a lot of discussion, of course, House committees on 387 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: the weaponization of the federal government. We talked about this 388 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: the first out of the broadcast. I want to say 389 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: this to folks this you sign on to a letter 390 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: that the American Center for Law Injustice organization is involved in, 391 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: excuse me, and it involves this attack of these students 392 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: at the Smithsonian also in the National Archives where they 393 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: went in after the March for Life. They were wearing 394 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: a T shirt that said I'm the pro life generation 395 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: or a hat that just said Rosary and pro life, 396 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: and they were harassed all to take it off. We 397 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: filed the federal lawsuit. You went and signed a letter, 398 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: a very strong letter to the Smithsonian. We now are 399 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: dealing with the National Archives as well. We're in quote 400 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: on both of them. And then you've got the FBI 401 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: issuing a directive out of the Richmond Field office saying 402 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: that you know, we need to be looking out for 403 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: a quote radical traditionalist Catholics that works, and they define 404 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: that as Catholics that go to a Latin Mass and 405 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: as if they're going to be immediately equates them to 406 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: what supremacy and the FBI is saying, oh, we shouldn't 407 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: have sent that out, but don't worry. It only went 408 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: to the FBI. In other words, it didn't go to 409 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: the CIA or the Secret Service. It just went throughout 410 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: the FBI. And this is what's happening in our federal 411 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: government right now. What's your thoughts on this? You're a 412 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: very good lawyer, great senator, what's your thought on this? 413 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: This is not just something that could lead to tyranny. 414 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: Is tyranny. This is not just something that could lead 415 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: to religious bigotry. It is a very definition of bigotry. 416 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: We've got to stop this. And it's one of countless 417 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: reasons that it we can point to is to why 418 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: the federal government has become too big, too expensive, and 419 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: therefore too unaccountable. This is the kind of thing it 420 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: does when a government is allowed to print its own money, 421 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: fuel its own expansion, and hide its true costs from 422 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: the people. It ends up harming people because it ends 423 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: up undermining the means by which in Federalists ten and 424 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: elsewhere a founding fathers envisioned different factions being able to 425 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: hold each other in check. Those factions can't hold each 426 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: other in check, and with it our social and economic fabric. 427 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: If our government has the ability to step in and 428 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: become the faction to end all other factions, that's what's 429 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: going on here. Yeah, I mean it serially. It feels 430 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: like and I think when a lot of Americans who 431 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: are intuitive, they're listened to Sean show, they are, they're 432 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: engaged with US a CLJ, they are, they're followed you, 433 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: they are gauged that oftentimes in this administration it's really 434 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 1: on display. We saw it then fighting back under the 435 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: Trump administration certainly, but under this administration it feels like 436 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: bureaucrats are running the show. So, whether it's this FBI letter, 437 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: whether it's the harassment of the pro life students, whether 438 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: it's the weaponization of bureau sees that were the Congress 439 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: is now looking at as a senator, where you're talking 440 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: to either cabinet level officials or appointees, do they seem 441 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: like they've got control over their own agencies? And now 442 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 1: they don't? And it feels like bureaucrats are in control. 443 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: Because the bureaucrats are in control, and tragically, Congresses has 444 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: made this guaranteed this to be the case. Over many 445 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: decades now you've seen Houses of Representatives, Senates, and White 446 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: Houses of every conceivable partisan combination, giving more and more 447 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: authority to more and more unelected, on accountable bureaucrats, giving 448 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: them the authority and countless circumstances even to make the 449 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: very laws that they enforce. That is itself another definition 450 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: of tyranny itself, and so it would rule these things back. 451 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: These are all wake up cults. They're reminders of wives 452 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: can't happen. And well, I'm not Catholic myself. Remember the 453 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: Church of Jesus Christ of Baturday Saints, our church, whose 454 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: members are unique in American history in one respect, were 455 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 1: the only religious sext to my knowledge, that's ever been 456 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: ordered exterminated by any government authority, as we were by 457 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: the Governor of Missouri on October twenty seventeighteen thirty eight. 458 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 1: When you start seeing governments treat a suspect members of 459 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: a faith, or particular despiable members within that shafe, that 460 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: is always a prelude to other bad things. And we 461 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: need to nip this in the bud right now. You know, 462 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: it's interesting you said that I wrote my PhD dissertation 463 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: on the Religious influences on the Supreme Court and the controversies. 464 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: When the various courts were in session. I did a 465 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: whole chapter on what was called the Mormon controversies you 466 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: just mentioned, and you can see, government, this is the 467 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: thing we have to be careful for. The Bill rights 468 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: were already in place, the Constitution was there, and yet 469 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, a governor thought he could exterminate a group 470 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: of people because he didn't like what they believed, or 471 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: and Senator, it's the same thing here. Let's go investigated. 472 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: They were going to put agents. This was their planet. 473 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: It looks like they actually had it already started. They 474 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: were putting agents inside these churches and then trying to 475 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: recruit members of those churches to be informants. And so 476 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: when you have the power of the government, and that 477 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: kind of tyranny that can exist when the government gets 478 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: this unbridled, unchecked bureaucratic power that they have. That's why 479 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: the FBI sends out these things. But you know what's 480 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: interesting to me, center the FBI SAIDs oh, we quickly 481 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: pulled this back once we found out about it. Now 482 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: it's on their letterhead, okay, out of the Richmond Field office, 483 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: I said, And don't worry, it only went to the FBI. 484 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: We quickly responded the Smithsonian and the National Archives when 485 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: they targeted those students. You know, they can't find top 486 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: secret documents with presidents, former presidents, and former vice presidents, 487 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: but they can target pro life students really easy. Of 488 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: every denomination and every faith, they have no problem targeting them. 489 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: What's the irony of all this is everybody? So we 490 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: quickly fix this. We quickly fix it. And the truth is, 491 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: that's why we go to federal court and you know 492 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: something about these these cases. That's why you got to 493 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: fight back, and you're doing that and we're doing in 494 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: the courtrooms. But this is real. This is really targeted 495 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: the American people here and people of faith, you know, 496 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 1: it really is. And this is why governments that get 497 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: too big and too strong and too powerful and all 498 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: important in their respective countries, nearly every single one of 499 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: them have this one thing in common. They tend to 500 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: become enemies of religious belief, or at least it's any 501 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: religious belief that isn't supporting and backing the government regimes 502 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: in question. Why Because it's the most powerful institution of 503 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: civil society that in a country can have the family 504 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: and religion nothing else compares to that, and families and 505 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: religious beliefs back each other up. And so for a 506 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: totalitarian or a fascist or any kind of socialist, religious 507 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: freedom always lurks in the background as a challenge to 508 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: the ultimate authority of the state, of the government. And 509 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: that's why we've got to be so suspicious of any 510 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: effort to weaken that. And that's why it's it's it's 511 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: no coincidence that this one was lifted. It as one 512 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: of our first freedoms in our very first amendment of 513 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: the country. You know, it's so interesting because in this 514 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: document from the FBI, they of course they blame all 515 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: of this on the overturning of ROVERSUS weight interesting these 516 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: more memore attacks on a course Jordan, on pro life 517 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: resource centers, and there have been on abortion clinics like 518 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: ten to one. As far as the numbers go, it's 519 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: it's been unbelievable. That's what they tie it in well 520 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: and sidially, and every one of these examples, the FBI 521 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: doesn't pull back to Bimore say they pull back to 522 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: BIMO until it was exposed publicly. The National Archives did 523 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: not apologize to the pro life students who are who 524 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: are visiting and told to take off their shirts until 525 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: it was exposed. In fact, they tried to use a 526 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 1: Fox News article say no, no, you were talking about 527 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: the Spisodian. So they first tried to play it off 528 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: like that. Did they issued apology the Spisodian. They didn't apologize. 529 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: So we were on shots, right, We're on Fox News 530 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: with one of the students. So I mean, it's not 531 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: like that they are. They're ever proactive in getting ahead 532 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: of their so called wrongdoing, which they'll apologize for after 533 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: the fact, but they're never proactive in the first place, right, 534 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: And this is what's so tragic. Look, I used to 535 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: be an assistant US attorney who worked with the FBI routinely. 536 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: They were a great institution and was going back about 537 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: twenty years of course, but as of late and I'm 538 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: still inclined to say it's still a good institution, just 539 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: has some problems at the top. But increasingly, as these 540 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: things become more prevalent, as the FBI becomes more and 541 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: more reluctant as an institution to even acknowledge wrongdoing, whether 542 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: it's caught or not, even when it is cost it 543 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: still doesn't acknowledge wrongdoing. Genuinely makes me wonder how much 544 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: of it left is good. I have no doubt that 545 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: there are countless agents in the FBI who remained good, faithful, patriotic, 546 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: committed to the Constitution. But if there appear to be 547 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: enough that don't feel that way, I believe their job 548 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: at least involves targeting Americans who don't want to show 549 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: whatever political line they would prefer. We've got a serious problem, 550 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: a serious cultural problem, within the most law enforcement entity 551 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: in the United States, no question about the Center. We 552 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: appreciate your time, we appreciate the great work you're doing 553 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: from the American people. Thank you for being on Shawn's program. 554 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: Pleasure to talk to you, as always, pleasures money, thank you. 555 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: I want to say this, folks, So all these issues 556 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: we've talked about, the American Center for Law and Justice, 557 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: the organization that Jordan I had up were involved in, 558 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: for instance, in the Smithsonian Institute and the National Archives, 559 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: we've got we're in federal court on that right now, 560 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: in fact, filing a preliminary injunction today. But we're already 561 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: in federal court defending those students. We've already sent Freedom 562 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: of Information Act demand to the FBI on this issue. 563 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: Targeting now quote traditionalist Catholics. So we're taking direct action 564 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: on it. But we have a matching moment right now 565 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: at the ACLJ. What that means is today, if you 566 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: make a donation to the American Center for Law Adjusts 567 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: at ACLJA dot org. That's ACLJA dot org, or you 568 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: go to ACLJ dot org slash match either where you 569 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: want to go, you double the impact your donations. Very simple. 570 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: So if you donate twenty five dollars right now online 571 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: at ACLJ dot org, because we represent all of our 572 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: clients at no cost to them, they're able to get 573 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: legal representation some of us. You know, we represent the 574 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: President United States. They get the same attorneys at no 575 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: cost to them because of our dotors. And you donate 576 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: online to ACLJA dot org. And today if you donate, 577 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: we have a matching moment. If you donate that twenty 578 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: five dollars, that's effectively fifty dollars to the ACLJ. Because 579 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: we had a group of dotors say hey, while you're 580 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: hosting Sean show, we'll match the donations that come through. 581 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: We'll match that twenty five dollars donation with an additional 582 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: twenty five dollars. Yeah, that's an ACLJ dot org. ACLJ 583 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: dot org. There's banners right there on the homepage, and 584 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: we encourage you to its tax deductible and that, as 585 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: Jordan said, that is how we get our support and 586 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: our work done to the ACLJ at aclj dot org 587 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: again a CLJ dot org. We'll be right back. 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