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Speaker 2: I'm a homegirl that knows a little bit about everything

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Speaker 1: You know, if you don't lie about that, right Lauren.

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Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, what's up. It's Lauren Lo Rosa and this

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Speaker 2: is the latest with Lauren le Rosa. This is your

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Speaker 2: Deli dig on all things pop culture, entertimate news, and

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Speaker 2: all of the conversations that shake the room. So we

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Speaker 2: have been bringing you guys right in, like literally right

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Speaker 2: into all of the conversations that Kanye West yay, formerly

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Speaker 2: things right that he's been having as he apologizes to

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Speaker 2: the black and the Jewish community for some of the

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Speaker 2: harmful things that he's done in the past. Now, joining

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Speaker 2: me today here on the show, we have a very

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Speaker 2: important fella. This is Derek Johnson from the NAACP on

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Speaker 2: the line just to have a conversation. I was reporting

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Speaker 2: this earlier today on the Breakfast Club, mister Johnson, and

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Speaker 2: you know, I wondered, I wanted to know what the

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Speaker 2: NAACP felt about the apology as well, because that's been

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Speaker 2: the dialogue these last couple of days. I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: Hate speech and actions are important, So let's get right

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Speaker 2: on into it. When you saw the apology, the ad

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Speaker 2: what were your first thoughts to how did you feel?

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Speaker 1: Well? The sumptance of his statement was around his mental

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Speaker 1: I hope he used the platform to address that the

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Speaker 1: Drey Reid is going to all the places that he

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Speaker 2: Got you now, when you mentioned the platform that he

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Speaker 2: I understand exactly what you meant when you said that,

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Speaker 2: So let's talk a bit about the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 2: So Wall Street Journal has a notable, multifaceted connection to

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Speaker 1: Well, he doesn't have to do anything, but if he's

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Speaker 1: He knows those things. My concern has always been and

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Speaker 2: Well, Okay, So I was trying to find because I

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Speaker 2: And I think that that was one of the things too.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, I don't know if this is a

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Speaker 2: And do you think, you know, it makes sense for

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Speaker 1: But I appreciate the fact that one he acknowledged that

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Speaker 2: Are you guys willing and open like you know, Kanye

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if he's sincere about the journey, absolutely, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think the journey for him would be two. For one,

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Speaker 2: And what would you say that people you know following

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Speaker 2: I got you. Is there anything I didn't ask that

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Speaker 1: You know, all of us should embrace the fact that

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Speaker 2: Now, I know you're in Minneapolis, and I mean, I

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Speaker 1: But I just landed and I'm here because we are

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Speaker 1: And what we witness in the last three killings, not

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Speaker 1: This week. We should not be authorizing a budget. Will

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Speaker 1: zero seven, Dry Ice. We need to dry them out

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Speaker 2: Do you so with the dry Ice campaign? You know,

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Speaker 1: For two examples I used with that one, the individual

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Speaker 1: But to here Minneapolis, the target of much of ISIS

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Speaker 2: And what about exactly and what about I'm seeing a

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Speaker 1: I think it's a distraction. I think the focus really

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Speaker 1: In fact, ICE has no authority to ask a US

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Speaker 1: of negotiation. In long term, it should be abolished. Anything

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you for joining me. Please stay safe

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Speaker 2: where you are, stay warm. I know it's like so

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Speaker 2: cold over there. You guys are on the ground, and yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean we'll stay tuned in and tapped in all

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Speaker 2: the work. Anything you need, you know, just shoot it

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Speaker 2: our way. Appreciate what you guys are doing though.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you for the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Thanks saying goodness too.