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Speaker 1: An important part of Texas Tech University's museum, and back

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, Professor Robert Baker was its director.

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Speaker 1: Recognized as a leader in innovative ways to look after

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Speaker 1: Although he couldn't be certain, Baker suspected that what he

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Speaker 1: Back in early spring nineteen ninety six, in the state

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Speaker 1: The report stated that the animal's carcasses or almost all,

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Speaker 2: Now in charge.

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, he didn't have the preserved corpse of Baker's animal

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