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Speaker 1: Last episode we talked a lot about a lot of
Speaker 1: horrible ship and we talked about the Magdalian laundries and
Speaker 1: how the Catholic Church was, you know, part of how
Speaker 1: this was justified. It was like, the Irish government can't
Speaker 1: afford a lot of social services, the Catholic Church will
Speaker 1: provide them because it's just such a such a g
Speaker 1: shocks good, good, good thing, the Catholic Church before it's
Speaker 1: somehow cheaper to murder people than I promis and sell
Speaker 1: their babies and forced them to labor for you in
Speaker 1: a laundry room for profit, and also sewing for profit.
Speaker 1: But that's not all they forced incarcerated women to do
Speaker 1: for profit, Sophia. And that brings me to a real
Speaker 1: fun story. We're gonna have a good time with this one.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get it. I went. Before I get into
Speaker 1: the story, I just want you to think about all
Speaker 1: everyone here, everyone who grew up in the nineties and
Speaker 1: early two thousands, all the good time, good times you had. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, playing playing board games. Um, you're going to
Speaker 1: be like playing on Uncle Bill Clinton's lap, well he
Speaker 1: plays the sax homophone days. Just remember the good days
Speaker 1: of play and playing mouse Trap, you know, little bit Monopoly, right,
Speaker 1: playing playing all those all those classics, those classic board
Speaker 1: games from your like an actual life. I just want
Speaker 1: you to think of all those positive board game memories
Speaker 1: you have as I read this story I found on
Speaker 1: the website Little Adams as part of a series called
Speaker 1: The Penance Industry by JP O'Malley or an article called
Speaker 1: the Penance Industry by JP O'Malley. Now, the author's great
Speaker 1: aunt was a woman named Elsie who spent basically her
Speaker 1: entire life in service to the church. UH. The initial
Speaker 1: crime for which she was incarcerated was having a child
Speaker 1: out of wedlock. Now, Elsie was still basically a child
Speaker 1: herself when her own family sent her to a Magdalene
Speaker 1: laundry operated by the Good Shepherd Sisters in Waterford. This
Speaker 1: is how it often worked in Ireland, a profoundly cath
Speaker 1: population who were only too happy to report their daughters,
Speaker 1: nieces and cousins for getting pregnant out of redlock. Elsie
Speaker 1: wound up spending the rest of her life in the
Speaker 1: custody of the church. She lived with them until her
Speaker 1: late eighties. J. P. Omalley writes, quote, as far back
Speaker 1: as I can remember, Elsie would talk openly to us
Speaker 1: kids about the work she did at the convent. She
Speaker 1: and the other women, she told us, were made to
Speaker 1: a symbol and package popular has broboard games. That's right,
Speaker 1: But yeah, has I knew I could smell the Hassan
Speaker 1: fields coming off. Then yeah, the motherfucker's who made your
Speaker 1: g I Joe's a major. I don't think those were
Speaker 1: made in these places, but their board games were. Yes,
Speaker 1: the Hasbro corporation profited off of the indentured labor of
Speaker 1: women who in prison for the crime of having a
Speaker 1: child or as we noted last episode of Stealing an Apple,
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about brow more like how slave am I? Right? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll never come back to this show. This. This sounds
Speaker 1: like some fucking fifties and sixties ship maybe, but this
Speaker 1: program with Hasbro started in the nineteen eighties. There is
Speaker 1: a very good chance that some, if not most, of
Speaker 1: the people listening to this podcast played with board games
Speaker 1: assembled by women who were basically slaves of the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1: According to Elsie, mouse Trap was apparently the worst board
Speaker 1: game to us, saying, this is probably more for our
Speaker 1: listeners who played board games that were you know, they
Speaker 1: bought an Ireland or the UK or in Europe. I
Speaker 1: don't know how like, Hasbro sold a lot of board games. Now,
Speaker 1: a lot of them had other labor rights issues, but yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of them were made by women in carcerated
Speaker 1: in the Magdalene laundries. And again mouse Trap was the
Speaker 1: worst of them. J. P Omalley continues, quote one Christmas,
Speaker 1: when I was twelve, someone gave me a present of
Speaker 1: a ker plunk set. I felt confused. Even at that age,
Speaker 1: I still felt there was something inherently sinister about deriving
Speaker 1: any kind of enjoyment from a gift that my great
Speaker 1: aunt could have packaged in the convent at Waterford. I
Speaker 1: knew from the stories Elsie told us at home every
Speaker 1: Christmas about how strict the nuns were. It wasn't so
Speaker 1: much the words Elsie would use when she talked about them,
Speaker 1: but her gaze would shift when she mentioned them. The
Speaker 1: warm smile would vanish. It was replaced by a look
Speaker 1: of petrification. All you had to do was look into
Speaker 1: Elsie's eyes when she mentioned the Good Shepherd's sisters to
Speaker 1: understand how prevalent the culture of fear was. The nuns
Speaker 1: were the masters, and the women Elsie and thousands of
Speaker 1: others were treated like small school children. So you know
Speaker 1: how dark is that when you're playing hungry hungry hippos.
Speaker 1: Your fucking game was assembled by hungry, hungry, actual fucking women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: being whipped by nuns forced to sleep in the cold
Speaker 1: outside and the Irish winter because they didn't put together
Speaker 1: the operation board fast enough. Yeah, and you're putting together
Speaker 1: operation went for sure. If you got sick, they would
Speaker 1: not pay for operation kill mass grave. Then sometimes dig
Speaker 1: you up and rebar you in another mass grave. Thanks nuns,
Speaker 1: not even skin pace for your ass. Just rest in
Speaker 1: wherever the funky move you again. Yeah, you shouldn't even
Speaker 1: be resting. You didn't do enough work for free for
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church to profited even though they were already
Speaker 1: worth most more than most nations. Honestly, shock they didn't
Speaker 1: sell the remains as like fertilizer dollar. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say categorically that the Catholic Church never sold the
Speaker 1: corpses of people that they let die for fertilizer. I'm
Speaker 1: not willing to make that statement categorically because it's because
Speaker 1: give us another like five years. Yeah, we're gonna dig
Speaker 1: up some more mass graves, that's for damn sure. Now.
Speaker 1: In recent years, the Good Shepherd Order has admitted to
Speaker 1: running a board game sweatshop during the Reagan years. They
Speaker 1: made a statement to the Sunday Times about it quote.
Speaker 1: In the nineteen eighties, Hasbro entered into an agreement with
Speaker 1: the Good Shepherd Sisters in Waterford to provide materials for
Speaker 1: packaging by our residents. The residents who pertend scipated in
Speaker 1: this activity were regularly given what was then known as
Speaker 1: their Hasbro money envelope. So put a pin in that
Speaker 1: money envelope comment, because we're gonna circle back to that soon. Now.
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly how long this went on, but
Speaker 1: the most detail I found suggests that the arrangement between
Speaker 1: Hasbro and the Good Shepherd Order continued for more than
Speaker 1: thirty years, which means well into the two thousands, some
Speaker 1: version of this was still happening. Now. I think it
Speaker 1: might have gotten better. Um. It's hard to say exactly
Speaker 1: how long it went on. UM, but Hasbro, who currently
Speaker 1: has a market cap of eight billion dollars, claims they
Speaker 1: had no direct commercial involvement with the Order. They claimed
Speaker 1: that their business relationship was with a charity called Rehab,
Speaker 1: which purports to help disabled people into the workplace. It
Speaker 1: seedn's odd defining incarcerated by a church for bearing a
Speaker 1: child as a disability. Do you have to remember that
Speaker 1: a lot of disabled people were also incarcerated by the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church up until the nineties really gifts. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go to Rehab like a whole as other
Speaker 1: meetings like forcibly labor for the has Bro corporations. I
Speaker 1: don't want to make fucking mousetrap until fucking die now.
Speaker 1: JP O'Malley's reporting on this is the best that I found.
Speaker 1: He succeeded in talking to two other women who had
Speaker 1: worked at assembling board games for the Good Shepherd Order.
Speaker 1: I should note that one of these sources experiences predates
Speaker 1: the Order's relationship with Hasbro. This first particular case, she
Speaker 1: was incarcerated and was assembling board games through the mid
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties to the late nineteen seventies. We don't know
Speaker 1: what company they were making board games for, but they
Speaker 1: described the experiences of their time laboring. There is extremely traumatic. Quote.
Speaker 1: She had packaged games, probably sometime in the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: she admitted. This vagueness is a common theme with many
Speaker 1: of the survivors I interviewed. The past is so painful
Speaker 1: they tried to erase it from their memory as best
Speaker 1: they can. The work involved, she's literally a PTSD symptom
Speaker 1: that is like well known now, Yeah, the work involved,
Speaker 1: she said, putting pieces in small bags. We received fifty
Speaker 1: pence for pocket money. The woman explained. We put all
Speaker 1: of our work into boxes quickly, and then the nuts
Speaker 1: would have someone count them. If you didn't go fast enough,
Speaker 1: you had to stay longer. Sometimes men would come in
Speaker 1: and talk to the nuns and watch us do the
Speaker 1: work too, she added. Another woman resident in the Good
Speaker 1: Shepherd Convent in Waterford from Night claimed she packaged games too.
Speaker 1: Were there any wages for the work, no money, just food,
Speaker 1: she told me. Now you might define making people labor
Speaker 1: and just giving them food and not money as um
Speaker 1: not not not paid labor. Um. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's another word for not paid labor that you can't
Speaker 1: choose not to do. Uh, we'll put a pin in that. No,
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem right. Um slavery. Slavery? Oh good, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: nailed it. Yeah, perfect, really really getting getting the good
Speaker 1: Irish music here. So I must again reiterate that none
Speaker 1: of those these either of these women were making board
Speaker 1: games during the Hasbro period. I don't know what company
Speaker 1: they assembled games for, so Hasbro maybe telling the truth
Speaker 1: when they say they're incarcerated single mother laborers were paid
Speaker 1: for their work. But JB. O'Malley also talked to a
Speaker 1: source who he kept anonymous, who claims to have been
Speaker 1: an employee of Hasbro Ireland for five years during the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. Her mother had also been a resident of
Speaker 1: the Good Shepherd Convent in Waterford and had previously worked
Speaker 1: at the Magdalen Laundries, and this Hasbro employee told JB. Omalley, quote,
Speaker 1: I can assure you those women who worked in Hasbro
Speaker 1: Ireland from the convent that was their life. They worked
Speaker 1: longer hours than the factory woman women, but the packaging
Speaker 1: work was always done on site and the Good Shepherd convent.
Speaker 1: I presume the women didn't have any work contracts because
Speaker 1: any money they got went through whoever was the mother
Speaker 1: superior in the convent at the time. She went on
Speaker 1: to clarify that whatever cash the women received was pocket
Speaker 1: money rather than wages. So again, some of these women
Speaker 1: almost certainly were not paid. It depended on whether or
Speaker 1: not the nuns wanted to give the money. You assume
Speaker 1: a lot of the nuns just took the money Hasbro
Speaker 1: gave them. But Hasbro can claim these women were paid
Speaker 1: for their labor because it's not their job to make
Speaker 1: sure these women get paid for their labor. I love
Speaker 1: las bodnia be. Deniability is the is the petrol that
Speaker 1: capitalism runs on. You didn't ask us about the things
Speaker 1: you needed? Why should we give them to you? Oh wait,
Speaker 1: you do ask It doesn't matter. We still won't corporations.
Speaker 1: That's from my upcoming musical Corporation. Yeah. I'm excited for ye. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you you actually execute the pope on stage during that.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistakes. I sure do, I sure do,
Speaker 1: and then I hold up his head like Kathy Griffin
Speaker 1: did with Trump, and um, that is how I hope
Speaker 1: to get canceled. So here's crossed fingers crossed, and I'll
Speaker 1: start opening for Lui c K. Because that's how cancelation works.
Speaker 1: You just start being a right wing comedian. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited to Um, I hate that for you,
Speaker 1: just so you know I hate it. I thought you
Speaker 1: hate it. It'll be amazing be canceled. No one's been canceled.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna for Cosby. It's perfect. I'm going to start working. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're it's gonna be a it's gonna be a double act.
Speaker 1: Me and Bill Cosby his his his rejuvenation tour. Uncanceled
Speaker 1: with Bill Cosby is what we're going to call it.
Speaker 1: You know who wasn't canceled was the Catholic Church. Um,
Speaker 1: yeah Bro. Hasbro also not canceled for any of this, barely. Yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: this was controversial. The unpaid labor forcibly managed by Nuns
Speaker 1: was controversial among regular Hasbro Ireland employees because around the
Speaker 1: same time the company laid off a number of full
Speaker 1: time workers. The basic allegation is that Hasbro fired salaried
Speaker 1: employees to pay women being abused by the church pennies
Speaker 1: to do the same work. So basically they fired people
Speaker 1: getting fair wages and quote unquote hired incarcerated women and
Speaker 1: then bribed the nuns to force them to work, is
Speaker 1: the allegation. I'm sure Hasbro would say, we paid the
Speaker 1: nuns through this company a fair rate for the work,
Speaker 1: and what happened after that, if the nuns mistreated them,
Speaker 1: that's we couldn't have known. But also sucked up when
Speaker 1: someone else makes you a scab, Yeah you don't even Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like getting like fucking dpid by fucking like truly
Speaker 1: like Hasbro and the Catholic Church. Yeah yeah, that's fucking
Speaker 1: that's so fucked up. You're all everything's already so terrible
Speaker 1: for you. And again, as a matter of like legal shit, um,
Speaker 1: we can't confirm or deny that Hasbro themselves did anything
Speaker 1: improper or knew about any improper working conditions. The fact
Speaker 1: that women weren't being paid, they may have dotted their
Speaker 1: legal eyes and crossed their legal ties. But I should
Speaker 1: note while making this caveat then in two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: The Guardian reported on the fact that Hasbro has repeatedly
Speaker 1: been charged with human rights violations due to its inhumane
Speaker 1: factories in China. So not out of the question either. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I can't say to a point of certainty that
Speaker 1: the Hassan Felled Brothers Toy Company knowingly and with great
Speaker 1: melos of forethought took advantage of a system of indentured
Speaker 1: servitude to force abused women to labor in board game
Speaker 1: making sweatshops well into the century. But I can say
Speaker 1: maybe they did so. Yeah, paying hungry, hungry single mothers.
Speaker 1: If you want to support the uh, we will take
Speaker 1: your money, has Bro. We'll take your money, but only
Speaker 1: in the form of a bearcat armored vehicle. Come on,
Speaker 1: has Bro, send me, send me an armored vehicle, and
Speaker 1: all is forgiven. Well, I feel like there's a lot
Speaker 1: more ways they could actually make it up to us.
Speaker 1: It doesn't just have to be an armored vehicle. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that will work for me, But
Speaker 1: I'll do it for anybody. Like, if the British government
Speaker 1: wants wants to wants to have me stop shipping on
Speaker 1: their their terrible genocidal empire, send me a Saracen armored vehicle.
Speaker 1: We can make it do like a yes and where
Speaker 1: like that's the minimum. But then we want to oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'll try to negotiate up if I can
Speaker 1: maybe get to saracens um, maybe get a leopard. You know,
Speaker 1: I think you need to get the armored vehicle train.
Speaker 1: Once you get one armored vehicle, you're all set and
Speaker 1: then taking ship about Czarist Russia. If they send me
Speaker 1: an armored train like this our had so that is
Speaker 1: the train that I will get all trains as I
Speaker 1: will take that. Hell yeah, armored trains. Look, you can
Speaker 1: buy behind the bastards, but it's going to cost you
Speaker 1: armored vehicles. When I worked at YouTube, really quickly, I
Speaker 1: just want to say, really quickly, I just want to
Speaker 1: say that when I worked for YouTube and I had
Speaker 1: to like sort and rate YouTube videos, I mean when
Speaker 1: I worked for Google and I had to do that
Speaker 1: for YouTube videos. One of the things that was so
Speaker 1: popular for Russian YouTube was videos of trains and it's
Speaker 1: just the camera study and it's just the train going
Speaker 1: by for twelve minutes, and I have to say it
Speaker 1: was one of the most soothing times of my day
Speaker 1: and when I have to watch a twelve minute train
Speaker 1: videos anyway, that's it. Yeah, trains are nice because absolutely
Speaker 1: no one was ever worked to death in huge numbers
Speaker 1: to allow them to exist. That's the best thing about trains.
Speaker 1: No one ever died for trains. Now, if you excuse me,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take a big sip of coffee and
Speaker 1: open my book of Chinese American history. A p I
Speaker 1: months over what's happening. You can go ahead and just
Speaker 1: forget about anyway. You know, who won't force thousands of
Speaker 1: laborers to work to death building train tracks and inhumane
Speaker 1: conditions these goods and services, unless it's literally any train company,
Speaker 1: in which case they did. Anyway, it is other than
Speaker 1: am Track. I don't think Amtrak did, probably not right.
Speaker 1: Am Track spine ads. Ah, we're back and we're talking
Speaker 1: about industrial abuse of women and children. Um, so we've
Speaker 1: talked a bit about you know, the Magdalene laundries, the
Speaker 1: industrial schools, and the industrial schools held a mix of
Speaker 1: children who were incarcerated for you know, some in some
Speaker 1: cases behavioral issues, kids who were taken from single mothers,
Speaker 1: kids who couldn't be adopted. Uh, you know, the lucky
Speaker 1: kids got sent off to parents in foreign countries, mostly
Speaker 1: the United States, in a business that was very lucrative
Speaker 1: for the child for the Catholic Church um and is
Speaker 1: distinct from child trafficking for reasons that are unclear to me.
Speaker 1: These were again the lucky ones, because the children who
Speaker 1: were trafficked by the Catholic Church in many cases probably
Speaker 1: got treated like human beings by their families. Probably in
Speaker 1: a lot of cases at least more, they did better
Speaker 1: than the kids who remained in the Catholic Church's custody,
Speaker 1: because the older who stayed in these industrial schools were
Speaker 1: not as fortunate. I found the story of one young
Speaker 1: woman named Mary who was taken from her mother as
Speaker 1: a very small child. She was so tiny she had
Speaker 1: to stand on top of a pile of stacked palettes
Speaker 1: to reach the sink and do her job, which was
Speaker 1: washing dishes, or sorry was which was washing sanitary napkins.
Speaker 1: That was the job they gave me. Yeah, now, because
Speaker 1: Mary was a set, please let her get her fucking
Speaker 1: period before her washed period. Ship. She probably thought it
Speaker 1: was just a bunch of women dying from their fucking
Speaker 1: Vaginas everyone there were a bunch of women dying, So
Speaker 1: that makes it better. It's true, not for the reason,
Speaker 1: she thought, but so the nuns did not respect Mary
Speaker 1: enough to refer to her by her name because she
Speaker 1: was a criminal. So, like all the other girls in
Speaker 1: the industrial school, she was given a number. Hers was
Speaker 1: thirteen forty six. Again, these are nuns, These are nuns
Speaker 1: doing this. She was beaten regularly for misbehaving. The worst
Speaker 1: beating she could recall when she was interviewed by the
Speaker 1: BBC was the time when she and another girl asked
Speaker 1: an older child who had just been put in the
Speaker 1: institution what it was like to go to school. A
Speaker 1: nun overheard, they were told to go back to work.
Speaker 1: Later that night, Mary and the other girl who had
Speaker 1: dared to ask about school were called in by the
Speaker 1: nun and beaten with a stick and a leather strap. Quote.
Speaker 1: She lashed at me and told me, you're not to
Speaker 1: talk to people now. Some days Mary would be sent
Speaker 1: to work on a farm for the day. She was
Speaker 1: not fed on those days, and she was so hungry
Speaker 1: that she would often sneak chicken feet. As she grew older,
Speaker 1: the nuns forbade her from looking at her developing body.
Speaker 1: They forced her to wear a wrap around her chest
Speaker 1: to flatten her breasts, and she was made to wear
Speaker 1: a red petticoat while she bathed. As we've noted several
Speaker 1: times already, the mortality rate in these schools was extremely high.
Speaker 1: The most credible estimates suggest at least nine thousand children
Speaker 1: died in Catholic Church facilities as a result of neglect
Speaker 1: over the course of the twentieth century. This is a
Speaker 1: mortality rate of roughly fifteen percent of all children brought
Speaker 1: into the system. While a number of these deaths occurred
Speaker 1: at industrial schools and the Magdalene laundries, the deadliest of
Speaker 1: the church run institutions during this period were probably the
Speaker 1: mother and baby homes. These are where single mothers were
Speaker 1: put while pregnant and while their infants were too young
Speaker 1: to be separated from them until the babies were old
Speaker 1: enough to be adopted off or sent to another institution.
Speaker 1: The very worst of these of these facilities in the
Speaker 1: County Cork, reported that seventy five percent of the children
Speaker 1: there died before their first birthday. This is seventy of
Speaker 1: the kids in this facility die before there one, which
Speaker 1: is if you were just shooting at children, you would
Speaker 1: have a lower death rate than that, Like, those are
Speaker 1: some insets, group and numbers. Jesus, those those are those
Speaker 1: stats are not you have to try to kill babies
Speaker 1: at seventy percent. I'm gonna quote from Reuter's here. Anonymous
Speaker 1: testimony from residents compared the institutions to prisons, where they
Speaker 1: were verbally abused by nuns as sinners and spawn of Satan.
Speaker 1: Women suffered through traumatic labors without any pain relief. One
Speaker 1: recalled women screaming a woman who had lost her mind
Speaker 1: in a room with small white coffins. So that's good,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, lost her mind and m white coffins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just surrounded by baby corpses. You know, cool new nights,
Speaker 1: not a cell phone inside living life. You know, well death.
Speaker 1: But you know now, very confusingly and it's a good article,
Speaker 1: but it has a confusing phrase that it notes that by.
Speaker 1: It opens by noting that, alongside thousands of deaths enforced
Speaker 1: child separations, quote, children were vaccinated without consent. This doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like it belongs with the rest of that, because
Speaker 1: who would consider vaccinating a child with or without consent
Speaker 1: on the same plane as murdering children? Um, we'll not
Speaker 1: worry a lot of people. Now, but actually this is
Speaker 1: just kind of bad phrasing, weirdly bad phrasing. At the
Speaker 1: start of the article. The vaccine story is actually super
Speaker 1: fucked up and absolutely worthy of conclusion because it wasn't
Speaker 1: that they were vaccinating children. Um. What actually happened, and
Speaker 1: again Reuters does go into this later, is that institutionalized
Speaker 1: children were used as guinea pigs for experimental vaccines without
Speaker 1: their consent. There were at least it's fucking rad there
Speaker 1: were at least oh yeah, now it doesn't have it
Speaker 1: doesn't go as bad as mangle and stuff. That is
Speaker 1: one of the things I have to say about this,
Speaker 1: because I think they were testing actual vaccines as opposed
Speaker 1: to mangle is just doing murder nonsense. Um. There were
Speaker 1: at least thirteen separate trials for the theory of polio, measles, rebella,
Speaker 1: and other shots. Um. Now, none of the and against
Speaker 1: some of the children. Most of the children in these
Speaker 1: in these trials were children from general society whose parents
Speaker 1: consented to them being part of the vaccine trial, but
Speaker 1: also a bunch of the and this were children and
Speaker 1: the mother and baby homes, some who were just fifteen
Speaker 1: years old. Uh, Some of the mothers were just fifteen
Speaker 1: years old. Um, we're not asked to give consent. This
Speaker 1: was generally justified by the fact that these mothers had
Speaker 1: mental health issues or psychiatric disorders. So normal moms have
Speaker 1: to consent to give have their parents part of this experiment.
Speaker 1: The children mothers and the mother and baby homes don't
Speaker 1: aren't don't need to be asked for consent because they
Speaker 1: have mental problems according to the nuns who are beating them. Um.
Speaker 1: Now again, whether according to the nuns who are being
Speaker 1: because of an incredible sentence, We don't know if any
Speaker 1: of these women were diagnosed by an actual doctor who
Speaker 1: had any kind of credibility to have any kind of
Speaker 1: psychiatric issues. Not that would have made it okay. I'm
Speaker 1: just making the point that these diagnoses seem to have
Speaker 1: been just handed out by nuns and priests, a large
Speaker 1: number of whom were child molesters. So documentation on these
Speaker 1: trials is notoriously sketchy, but just based on what I've
Speaker 1: sniffed around, it as a definite whiff of ship being
Speaker 1: covered up. That said, there is no hard evidence of
Speaker 1: any serious harms due to these tests. There is one
Speaker 1: case of a child from one of these homes who
Speaker 1: died of cardiac and respiratory failure two weeks after receiving
Speaker 1: a vaccine. The commission that investigated this said that the
Speaker 1: death did not appear to have been linked to the vaccines.
Speaker 1: And again, these facilities are killing babies left and right,
Speaker 1: so there's a good chance that it was the baby
Speaker 1: died just because of other mistreatment. UM, and yeah, it's um,
Speaker 1: it's cool. Uh, it's really cool. So again, as I noted,
Speaker 1: about forty three thousand children in total took part in
Speaker 1: these trials. Most of them were from the general population
Speaker 1: and their parents were reached out to for consent, and
Speaker 1: that consent was documented. This was not the case of
Speaker 1: children from the mother in baby homes. I'm going to
Speaker 1: quote from the Irish Examiner here. The commission noted, and
Speaker 1: this is an investigation later noted that Dr Hanley, who
Speaker 1: did the vaccine tests, emphasized the importance of obtaining written
Speaker 1: consent prior to treatment and provided a breakdown of the
Speaker 1: number of consent forms returned to each school. No child
Speaker 1: was immunized unless a written parental consent form was produced. However,
Speaker 1: doctor Hanley made no mention of consent written or otherwise
Speaker 1: in respect to institutional children. So again, like, why would
Speaker 1: you give a ship? Obviously consent matters unless you're one
Speaker 1: of these kids that the Catholic Church owns, then who cares.
Speaker 1: It's good, it's great ship. It's pretty enough now. One
Speaker 1: of the articles I found on this noted that in
Speaker 1: the forties and fifties it was common across Europe and
Speaker 1: the United States to use institutionalized children as guinea pigs
Speaker 1: for vaccine trials. In the U. S. And Canada, this
Speaker 1: often meant Indigenous children who had been separated by their
Speaker 1: families forcibly to be de indianized. This is not the
Speaker 1: story we're telling today, but it's worth mentioning that that happened.
Speaker 1: We've talked about the residential schools before. This is a
Speaker 1: thing that happens outside of Ireland. Two children who are
Speaker 1: forcibly incarcerated in institutions with similar death tolls to these
Speaker 1: homes in Ireland. Um and a lot of it. A
Speaker 1: lot of times in the U. S. And Canada, it's
Speaker 1: indigenous kids, um And yeah, it's it's interesting that because
Speaker 1: of how fucked up this story is the part where
Speaker 1: we're talking about using child slaves as medical guinea pigs
Speaker 1: is the least dark part of the story. This is
Speaker 1: the least body count of anything we're talking about, including
Speaker 1: probably has bro um. But now it's time to go
Speaker 1: back to the dead babies, specifically the mass graves of
Speaker 1: dead babies now the most Thank God. I was wondering
Speaker 1: if you invited me for a reason you. You texted
Speaker 1: me the other day saying, Robert, my hands are shaking.
Speaker 1: I haven't talked about mass graves of dead children in months?
Speaker 1: What am I? What are we gotta? I gotta get
Speaker 1: a fix, That's what I said. And I showed you
Speaker 1: my dead baby track track marks, and I was like, yep,
Speaker 1: I gotta get back in the game. I got the need,
Speaker 1: the need for dead baby, the dead baby dragon. You
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta chase the dragon. The dragon is the
Speaker 1: baby's corpse. Yeah. Now, the most infamous mass child grave
Speaker 1: covered up by the Catholic Church in Ireland is probably
Speaker 1: the one at St Mary's in the village of Twam,
Speaker 1: which is colloquially known as the Home. This was a
Speaker 1: child and mother home run by the bond Secour Nuns
Speaker 1: from nineteen to nineteen sixty one in nineteen sixty one,
Speaker 1: the home closed down and it's child inmates were sent
Speaker 1: to nearby industrial schools. The bill then was bulldozed and
Speaker 1: low wincome housing was put up on its site. In
Speaker 1: two children were playing on the site the former site
Speaker 1: of the home. They found several concrete slabs loosely covering
Speaker 1: a hollow. Being young boys, they moved the slabs and
Speaker 1: discovered a hole underneath it. They crawled inside and realized
Speaker 1: to their horror that it was quote full of skeletons
Speaker 1: of children. Oh my god, oh my god. Good ship
Speaker 1: right there, Like the kind of thing where your mom's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: can you not do this ship you've been doing? Can
Speaker 1: you not go out? Can you not like go into
Speaker 1: caves that you see a shamus? You go fucking around
Speaker 1: in caves and you're gonna find dead babies. And then
Speaker 1: you go in the cave and you find literal skeletons
Speaker 1: of other children. That seems like your mom planted them
Speaker 1: to just like drive her point home about what you
Speaker 1: should not have been doing. That ship is so creepy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it might be one of those things were like as
Speaker 1: a child, you decide to stop exploring after that, Like
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, no fucking ship you and immediately yeah,
Speaker 1: I like computers. Now I don't know how to code.
Speaker 1: I can't go outside anymore. It's full of skeletons. It's
Speaker 1: full of dead children out there, and I cannot. These
Speaker 1: boys find a hole full of baby skeletons and they
Speaker 1: go home to tell their families. Now the church immediately
Speaker 1: gets involved here and they do what they do best,
Speaker 1: which is hushed things up. A priest does a mass
Speaker 1: at the burial site, and the grave was covered again
Speaker 1: more permanently. This time, there was no investigation into what
Speaker 1: had happened or who was buried there. But the people
Speaker 1: of Tuam didn't forget from the journal dot I quote.
Speaker 1: A local couple began to take care of the small
Speaker 1: patch of land, erecting a grotto in the corner and
Speaker 1: maintaining it for thirty five years, trimming the grass and
Speaker 1: planting flowers. Stories continued to spread about the bodies and
Speaker 1: the institution that put them there. Similar story spread all
Speaker 1: around Ireland, dipping into the cultural unconsciousness like tap roots
Speaker 1: into soil. Now, in nineteen seventy six, the year after
Speaker 1: these kids find this mass grave, a pair of journalists
Speaker 1: from the Irish time start making inquiries about the still
Speaker 1: ongoing programs like the industrial schools and the Magdalen laundries.
Speaker 1: One of the journalists who started this investigation was inspired
Speaker 1: to do so because her husband, a psychiatrist, had a
Speaker 1: young female patient who became hysterical the moment and none
Speaker 1: entered the ward. The psychiatrist was savvy enough to be like,
Speaker 1: she starts screaming and freaking out the instant, and none
Speaker 1: walks in. There might be something here. Perhaps I should
Speaker 1: tell my journalist wife to look into this. I love that.
Speaker 1: That's like, sadly, like our lowest like expectation of anyone
Speaker 1: the bars solo or like, I don't know. Kudos to
Speaker 1: he didn't he let it go. He didn't have to
Speaker 1: be like. This probably should be looked into a little bit.
Speaker 1: She's shrieking in agony at the sight of a nun.
Speaker 1: This might might deserve an investigation. So so he starts
Speaker 1: talking to um. He starts talking first before he goes
Speaker 1: to his wife. He starts talking to this young woman
Speaker 1: who's become hysterical at the side of a nun. Uh,
Speaker 1: And he starts asking her like why, and she, in
Speaker 1: his words, persistently described witnessing the savage, bloody beating of
Speaker 1: a little girl at the orphanage she was sent to.
Speaker 1: This girl eventually disappeared, and she believed the girl had
Speaker 1: been killed and buried in a mass grave after being
Speaker 1: beaten to death by the nuns. From the Irish Times
Speaker 1: quote by chance, my friend Mavis, also a journalist, this
Speaker 1: is the other journalist in this team, had a young
Speaker 1: woman from the same place living with her, waiting for
Speaker 1: the birth of a baby. At sixteen, Like all the girls,
Speaker 1: she'd been sent away to work as a domestic, Utterly
Speaker 1: ignorant of the world and vulnerable to mail predation. She
Speaker 1: told Mavis about horrifying cruelty and deprivation at this institution,
Speaker 1: by then closed, It was often described as one of
Speaker 1: the good schools. Gradually we discovered the context that Ireland
Speaker 1: had been infested with these places, all run by religious orders.
Speaker 1: We learned that some still existed and that they operated
Speaker 1: with state funding through the Department of Education under the
Speaker 1: nineteen o eight Acts regulations. They were designed to protect, feed,
Speaker 1: clothe and educate children in state care. So these two
Speaker 1: journalists set out to investigate the scoop of what was
Speaker 1: going on in these facilities, they made requests to the
Speaker 1: Department of Education to find examples of children's diet plans
Speaker 1: and punishments that had been recorded, because the nineteeno ed
Speaker 1: Child Protected Law had mandated you have to if you're
Speaker 1: running one of these facilities, you have to document what
Speaker 1: you're feeding these kids, and you have to document how
Speaker 1: you're punishing them, so we know if you're violating human rights.
Speaker 1: Are not. Um, So they go to the Department of
Speaker 1: Education and they go with these facilities they heard stories
Speaker 1: from and say, what were these kids being fed? How
Speaker 1: were they being punished? The documentation is legally required to exist,
Speaker 1: and the Department of Education is like, oh, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: there's no available documentation, which m M as a journalist. MM.
Speaker 1: So these journalists, who are great journalists, asked next for
Speaker 1: records of children sent out to work from the age
Speaker 1: of ten on. They were told that these reports did
Speaker 1: not exist. They were asked by what process it was
Speaker 1: decided that girls would be sent to labor in the
Speaker 1: Magdalene laundries. They were told by a representative of the
Speaker 1: Department of Education, Oh, we'd better not delve into that terrain.
Speaker 1: So I also feel like, um, yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess the Nazis kept kind of good records, but like,
Speaker 1: well they did try to burn them all, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like overall, we shouldn't really expect
Speaker 1: the perpetrator to have great like record of their crimes.
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes, but generally when they know ships about
Speaker 1: to like hit the fan, they're like, better make sure
Speaker 1: this doesn't exist. So it's kind of fun when people
Speaker 1: just like turn to a bad people and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: could you give evidence of you being bad and they're
Speaker 1: like no, sorry, somehow that evidence is gone. Yeah, It's
Speaker 1: like well yeah, yeah yeah. So the government stonewalling forced
Speaker 1: these women to dig and they uncovered a bunch of
Speaker 1: horrifying ship including the fact that in nine thirty five
Speaker 1: children had died in a fire at an industrial school
Speaker 1: in Kavan Now. They found transcripts from an inquiry into
Speaker 1: the fire that showed the government closing ranks to protect
Speaker 1: the nuns over and over again. They found a quote
Speaker 1: absence of accountability and casual law breaking at these facilities.
Speaker 1: They got documentary evidence of the late Minister of Education,
Speaker 1: Brian Lenihan, concurring with a referend mother's demand that a
Speaker 1: girl will be illegally imprisoned in an institution. So again,
Speaker 1: the government is entirely complicit in this. These reporters started
Speaker 1: working on a book about their findings, and they were
Speaker 1: heavily discouraged by basically everyone they knew. Here's a quote
Speaker 1: from them describing the reaction they got. For most people.
Speaker 1: It'll upset the good sisters. What's the point? Everything's different now?
Speaker 1: So again it wasn't um Again, it was the eighties
Speaker 1: when the Hasbro company was using these women's labor. So
Speaker 1: their book was published in nineteen eighties. That's Simpson's quote
Speaker 1: about the Germans were like, sure they've made some mistakes
Speaker 1: sevens ex uh you know what else has racers? You know,
Speaker 1: well we can't promise that, but yeah, probably these goods
Speaker 1: and services don't need eracers. These goods and services, I
Speaker 1: will say at least a seventy percent chance we're not
Speaker 1: complicit and covering up crimes against humanity by them. That's
Speaker 1: the behind the bastards guarantee garonte bah blah by them.
Speaker 1: All right, products ah, we're back having a great time.
Speaker 1: So these reporters published their book in nine It is
Speaker 1: poorly reviewed, slammed by everyone is an unfair and unhinged
Speaker 1: attack on the noble nuns and priests doing difficult work.
Speaker 1: We of course, now know that every word of it
Speaker 1: was true, and it's probably worth drawing a line between
Speaker 1: how this book gets slammed by people and what happens
Speaker 1: to Senat O'Connor when she tears up a picture of
Speaker 1: the Pope on Saturday Night Live. Um, she's just universally
Speaker 1: attacked by fucking everybody for being just an idiot, and like,
Speaker 1: oh you're She's just a crazy woman who's being disrespectful
Speaker 1: to this wonderful institution, these good holy men. And now
Speaker 1: we know that every single pope who's ever been the
Speaker 1: pope has been complicit, openly complicit in covering up the
Speaker 1: mass rape and murder of children, every single one of them,
Speaker 1: not one excluded, and including the popes you like, fuck
Speaker 1: them all. Um, suck the Pope is the is the
Speaker 1: motto of the behind the Bastard show. Um that guy
Speaker 1: in St. Petersburg who shot John Paul the Second not
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of things. That's my stance on
Speaker 1: shooting John Paul the Second. Also, there is some sort
Speaker 1: of wildly crazy mental gymnastics that you have to do
Speaker 1: to like be like an incredibly rich and closed city
Speaker 1: and incredibly rich like fabrics and all this fucking ship
Speaker 1: when your whole thing is to be like humble and whatever,
Speaker 1: but to every second of your day. I just, yeah,
Speaker 1: the mental gymnastics you must do is a quote unquote
Speaker 1: representative of God. To make that makes sense, is I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, some own fucking biles, I'm a humble servant
Speaker 1: of the Lord who happens to live in his own
Speaker 1: independent nations with billions of dollars in golden riches buried
Speaker 1: secretly beneath it, guarded by Swiss mercenaries. What is the
Speaker 1: problem with that? How does that? How does that not
Speaker 1: say humble servant of God to you? For real? You
Speaker 1: live the Swiss mercenaries. It's the Swiss mercenaries, isn't it.
Speaker 1: You truly live in some ship that sounds like a
Speaker 1: fairy tale And no point You're like, huh, is this
Speaker 1: something I'm perpetuating that is precisely against what I pretend
Speaker 1: God is. Maybe I should take a knee and fucking
Speaker 1: renounce all this bullshit. Oh wait, now, okay, cool, I'll
Speaker 1: just riding around in my weird bulletproof Pope mobile a
Speaker 1: fun thing to do with the the high up leadership
Speaker 1: of the Catholic Church. I'm not saying this about necessarily
Speaker 1: every single priest, because they're there are definitely parishes and
Speaker 1: stuff where there weren't molestation. And as we've talked about
Speaker 1: in the episodes in the School of the America's, there
Speaker 1: were heroic Catholic priests and nuns who fought against these
Speaker 1: right wing death squads and acts of genocide in places
Speaker 1: like Guatemala. And I don't mean that like I'm not
Speaker 1: saying every single Catholic Church official um is complicit in this,
Speaker 1: but everyone at the highest level leadership of the church
Speaker 1: absolutely is. Everyone who is running the Vatican, every pope
Speaker 1: knows about this ship and is complicit and covering up.
Speaker 1: And every year we get more evidence of that. Every
Speaker 1: high level Catholic official is a part of not just
Speaker 1: this but the mass child molestation, every single one of them.
Speaker 1: And if you start to come up with defenses for them,
Speaker 1: replace the word Catholic Church with Nazi Germany and see
Speaker 1: if those defenses sound like things that defenders of the
Speaker 1: Wehrmacht say when they're trying to claim that there were
Speaker 1: large chunks of the Nazis who weren't complicit in the genocide.
Speaker 1: It's the same ship they ran the Catholic Church. They
Speaker 1: were part of it. And also Catholics were part of Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's a complete the actual Holocaust and
Speaker 1: they were in genocide. That is part of World Wine two.
Speaker 1: In fairness though, you have to there you have to
Speaker 1: separate the Church in Rome from the Catholic Church, large
Speaker 1: parts of the Chatholic Church in Germany who were a
Speaker 1: big part of the resistance to Hitler, and in fact,
Speaker 1: the three groups that Ryanhardt Hydrick, the architect of the Holocaust,
Speaker 1: targeted in Germany were activist clerics, which were Catholic priests
Speaker 1: that were anti Nazi. Uh, the Jews obviously in freemasons.
Speaker 1: Um so I I don't want to like again in Germany. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yes, and with the Catholic the pope at that
Speaker 1: point there's a bunch of fucked up ship. You can say, yes, um,
Speaker 1: I just I never want to be the Catholic. The
Speaker 1: part of the problem when you're trying to condemn the
Speaker 1: Catholic church's inneviatively to people will be like, well, what
Speaker 1: about this heroic priest who gave his life protecting It's like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he helped cover up mass child rape.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the popes. I'm talking about the bishops.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the people in charge of talking about
Speaker 1: the organization in the way conducted itself, and that is
Speaker 1: equivalent to a lot of other organizations. We're not We
Speaker 1: don't say every is really person, every person or whatever.
Speaker 1: Just like when we talk about US war crimes. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that your uncle who was drafted at age
Speaker 1: eighteen is responsible for the deployment of age and Orange
Speaker 1: on the jungles of Vietnam. In a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: he's a victim too, But like, yeah, it's it's the organization.
Speaker 1: Everyone running the organization of the Catholic Church is complicit
Speaker 1: in this um and that's cool and good Sophia, it's not.
Speaker 1: I think it's incredibly devastating and I'm glad I started drinking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good time to be drinking, just the whole year. UM.
Speaker 1: So a big part of the reason why the horrors
Speaker 1: of this system are now widely known has to do
Speaker 1: with a single woman from the village of Tuam and
Speaker 1: not to white, not to wash out those brave journalists
Speaker 1: who did the important work of documenting this. But that
Speaker 1: got kind of covered up in the eighties. Um tuamas
Speaker 1: again where that child mass grave was uncovered? Uh. And
Speaker 1: this woman's name is Katherine Cordless. She grew up hearing
Speaker 1: the whispered stories about that mass grave which had been
Speaker 1: so efficiently hushed up and covered up by the church.
Speaker 1: She started to investigate in the early aughts. And I'm
Speaker 1: gonna quote from the journal dot I E here. Cordless
Speaker 1: works on her family farm. She didn't have an academic
Speaker 1: institution behind her. Instead, she worked on it in her
Speaker 1: spare time. On a rainy day, I'd really get down
Speaker 1: to it and go to work in the library. She said.
Speaker 1: She initially tried to contact the Bond Succors sisters at
Speaker 1: their Cork headquarters and was told that they no longer
Speaker 1: had files or information about the home. She tried the
Speaker 1: Western Health Board, who told her there was no information available.
Speaker 1: When she tried to access information from Galway County Council,
Speaker 1: she says she was told that she wasn't allowed because
Speaker 1: she didn't have a university degree. That's exactly what I
Speaker 1: was told I couldn't look at the records, but the
Speaker 1: council would let her look at the information about the
Speaker 1: housing estate which had been built over the ruins of
Speaker 1: the old home, and from this, from this information about
Speaker 1: the housing estate, she was able to piece together data
Speaker 1: about the original site. She eventually hit upon the idea
Speaker 1: of going to the registry office in Galway to get
Speaker 1: death certificates for every child who had perished at the home.
Speaker 1: Her contact at the office called her a week later
Speaker 1: and said, do you really want all these death certificates
Speaker 1: because you're going to be charged for each of them,
Speaker 1: and there's a funkload of them. Corless was charged four
Speaker 1: euros for each death certificate she requested between two thousand eleven.
Speaker 1: When she started requesting them in two thousand thirteen, she
Speaker 1: came up with seven hundred and nineties six deaths. They
Speaker 1: ranged from newborns to nine year old children. The death
Speaker 1: certificates gave causes raging from malnutrition, neglect, measles, tuberculosis and pneumonia.
Speaker 1: The number of deaths and the time the home was
Speaker 1: operational mean that one child died there every fifteen days.
Speaker 1: By overlaying a map of the site as it looks
Speaker 1: today with plans for the old building. She realized that
Speaker 1: the mass grave discovered in nineteen seventy five had been
Speaker 1: built in the old location of the homes sewage tank.
Speaker 1: So when they demolished the building, they stuck all the
Speaker 1: corpses in the sewage tank. That's good, very respectful, life matters.
Speaker 1: Catholic Church, famed advocates of the sanctity of human life
Speaker 1: se literal ship pit you babies that we didn't feed.
Speaker 1: It was the mass graves at Tuam that finally sparked
Speaker 1: widespread public outrage over what the Church had been doing
Speaker 1: in Ireland for decades. This is not to say that
Speaker 1: the crimes of the residential school system were unknown prior
Speaker 1: to that point. There were obviously a lot of stories
Speaker 1: come in that book had been written. There were stories
Speaker 1: of sexual abuse, there were stories of brutal's punishment that
Speaker 1: had come out. Sneed O'Connor had done her thing um
Speaker 1: and in two thousand one, which is like a decade
Speaker 1: before she starts finding these death certificates, the Catholic Church
Speaker 1: had agreed to put a hundred million euros into a
Speaker 1: special state fund for victims of abuse. Now this was
Speaker 1: not because they recognized they'd done bad and wanted to
Speaker 1: make it right. This was because in two thousand one
Speaker 1: they were finally starting to get evidence out about all
Speaker 1: of the well documented rapes that Catholic priests had carried out.
Speaker 1: And so as part of this agreement about dealing hushing
Speaker 1: up the rapes, the church puts a hundred million into
Speaker 1: a fund and they say, we're also saying this fund
Speaker 1: is going to go to people who were abused in
Speaker 1: our residential schools because they're going to start suing in
Speaker 1: a few years UM. And in order to receive these funds,
Speaker 1: they have to be barred from suing the church directly.
Speaker 1: This is an agreement they make with the Irish government.
Speaker 1: Is the Irish Government's like, you guys were raping a
Speaker 1: lot of kids. You need to do something about this.
Speaker 1: And they're like, okay, here's a hundred million. Also, people
Speaker 1: are gonna try to sue us for the other horrible ship.
Speaker 1: We did make sure that if they take money from
Speaker 1: this fund, they agree to not sue us. That's fucking cool, right,
Speaker 1: good ship Catholic Church. UM. Now, the part of the
Speaker 1: legal requirements around the funds ensured that only victims of
Speaker 1: sexual abuse and not physical abuse could receive funds. So
Speaker 1: we talked earlier about one of the women whose story
Speaker 1: inspired those journals to start their investigation. Watched a little
Speaker 1: girl get beaten to death by nuns. If that girl
Speaker 1: had survived, she wouldn't have been she wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 1: any money. She wouldn't have been because she didn't get raped.
Speaker 1: Right again, good ship from the Catholic Church. Real nice
Speaker 1: to be able to quantify abuse like that. Now. The
Speaker 1: fact that they tried to lock all this down and
Speaker 1: put the funding out in two thousand one was very
Speaker 1: savvy of the church because of course they were well
Speaker 1: aware that as the stories of mass child sex abuse
Speaker 1: by priests had broken containment, so too with the whole
Speaker 1: story of the industrial schools, the Magdalen laundries, and the
Speaker 1: mother in baby homes. By making a deal in two
Speaker 1: thousand one, they protected themselves from the fallout win In
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen, a comprehensive government report on the
Speaker 1: horrors of the industrial school system was finally released. Two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen is the year when the Irish President or whatever,
Speaker 1: Indo Kinney apologized for the state's role in the horrors.
Speaker 1: Church representatives also came out and expressed their horror at
Speaker 1: how bad the things they've done were. A new government
Speaker 1: scheme was announced to give out lump some payments from
Speaker 1: eleven thousand, five hundred euro to one hundred thousand euro
Speaker 1: based on a woman's length of stay in an institution.
Speaker 1: This benefits package fell well short of what the two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen report had recommended, and it also contained a
Speaker 1: ton of caveats, enough that many victims of the system
Speaker 1: did not qualify for funds. To date, only about twenty
Speaker 1: nine eight million euro has been paid out to just
Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventy applicants, most of whom got the
Speaker 1: full hundred thousand euro. Because that's how many people were
Speaker 1: profoundly abused by this system. Um, and the Catholic Church
Speaker 1: is still let's look up, let's look up the expected
Speaker 1: net worth of the Catholic Church that's all on this
Speaker 1: journey together. Uh, how much? How much the Catholic Church?
Speaker 1: I fucking numbers? Yeah, because we don't know because they've
Speaker 1: hidden it all underground. Um. Banker's best guest of the
Speaker 1: Vaticans wealth this is nineteen sixty five put it at
Speaker 1: ten billion to fifteen billion. So that's nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 1: Is the estimate is ten to fifteen billion ums, much
Speaker 1: more than Yeah, here's a twist article. How rich is
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. It's impossible to stell. How much real
Speaker 1: estate does the Catholic Church hold? What are its equity holdings?
Speaker 1: We just don't fucking no. Welcome to the fucking imaginary
Speaker 1: numbers game. Yeah, oh fuck, this is fun. In the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, Italian media uncovered evidence that the Vatican had
Speaker 1: intested had invested in entities that conflict directly with the
Speaker 1: Church's holy holy mission, including Instituto Pharma Logico Sarroono, a
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical company that made birth control pills, and You Die In,
Speaker 1: a military weapons manufacturer. There have also been unconfirmed rumors
Speaker 1: of Church money and firearms manufacturer and companies with activities
Speaker 1: and gambling in pornography. It has been linked with dealings
Speaker 1: with Nazi gold during World War Two as well. There
Speaker 1: you go, fucking red baby. Uh you love to hear it.
Speaker 1: Good ship. Yeah, but it's cool. They've Attican passed its
Speaker 1: first law against money laundering and terrorist group funding in
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, so so they've been on this for
Speaker 1: a long time. Honestly they care, this is important to them, etcetera, etcetera. Um,
Speaker 1: hypocricy pays baby, Yeah it does, it does. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't know this has been a profoundly anti Catholic article
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