WEBVTT - Part Two: How The Catholic Church Murdered Ireland's Babies 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:05.600 M Boy. Top of them are and Toya listeners. This 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:08.760 is Behind the Bastards, a podcast by Robert toy Evan's 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:12.520 talking about the wires people in all of our Irish history. 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:20.800 Chim Chim cherub uncle tie. That was my racist Irish. Wow, 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:27.920 it looks like the unsubscribed numbers for Ireland. A seven 0:00:27.960 --> 0:00:31.880 people in Ireland have stopped listening to our podcast. Okay, 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:35.320 and now those seven people have told another seven people, 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:38.200 and they have told another seven people. And now and 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:43.720 as a result ship in Ireland. Hey yeah, but our 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:50.239 listenership in the UK has tripled. So uh, we do 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.920 love the Irish, don't we. Um. You know it's funny 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.280 because when we took the break, I went outside and 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:58.160 I had to water my plants because it's ninety in 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.520 Portland today. Um, we needed to water them a second time. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.800 And most of what I'm growing is potatoes because I 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:07.920 love growing the potatoes I'm working on. I don't have 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.360 enough land right now. Because you got any sweet potatoes 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:13.319 in that ask? No, I don't trust sweet potatoes. Um. 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.720 I love normal potatoes, though I don't trust them. Um, 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.920 what do you think they're hiding? They're openly sweet? I know, 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.200 and that's what I don't trust about them. Okay, well 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:26.880 it's it's like people in my life who are sweet 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.840 and I don't truss them. Are you growing going you 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:35.320 can gold potatoes? Yes, that's one of the potatoes gifts. 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.559 I got you in the trash because you didn't trust 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.760 good because I don't trust people who are nice to me. Um, 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:47.280 it's true, he doesn't. That's why I'm so mean. Come on, yeah, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.360 but I don't like being loved in return? Am I 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:54.880 am I the one who's responsible for your nickname podcast Daddy? Yes? 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.560 I am you are. Can you trust someone who has 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:02.760 nicknamed you such? You can? Would I ever steal a 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.520 knife from you? No? I would not. Well, I have 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.360 enough that you could get away with. Well, I would 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.840 solicit your listeners to send me my own knives. Send 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:14.360 Sophia knives. Just don't send Sophia knives and unlabeled packages. 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.600 And also remember our rule. If you send Sophia knives, 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:22.320 you absolutely put a happy face on the night. Yeah, 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.000 how we know it's a friendly knife or this is 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:27.440 not a death threat letter. That's always a nice thing 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:33.120 to send. Love. This is not a death a sticker, 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.120 you know, at any h Yeah, this is not a 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.760 death threat patch to put on your battle jacket. Yes, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.680 I would fucking love that would actually be rad People 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.399 think I'm disarming and then I stabbed him in the heart. 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.440 It's it's great. At the end of this episode, I 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:52.560 will give you my geo box number so you can 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.919 send me You're happy face nine, Sophia. Some knives, some 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.360 some friendly knives. You deserve them, so so be up. 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.040 Last episode we talked a lot about a lot of 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:07.160 horrible ship and we talked about the Magdalian laundries and 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.200 how the Catholic Church was, you know, part of how 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.519 this was justified. It was like, the Irish government can't 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.679 afford a lot of social services, the Catholic Church will 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.359 provide them because it's just such a such a g 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:21.520 shocks good, good, good thing, the Catholic Church before it's 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:30.080 somehow cheaper to murder people than I promis and sell 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.280 their babies and forced them to labor for you in 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.440 a laundry room for profit, and also sewing for profit. 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.760 But that's not all they forced incarcerated women to do 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:44.360 for profit, Sophia. And that brings me to a real 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.000 fun story. We're gonna have a good time with this one. 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:48.839 We're gonna get it. I went. Before I get into 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.200 the story, I just want you to think about all 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.720 everyone here, everyone who grew up in the nineties and 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:57.080 early two thousands, all the good time, good times you had. Um, 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:01.080 you know, playing playing board games. Um, you're going to 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:05.600 be like playing on Uncle Bill Clinton's lap, well he 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:11.120 plays the sax homophone days. Just remember the good days 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.240 of play and playing mouse Trap, you know, little bit Monopoly, right, 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.599 playing playing all those all those classics, those classic board 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:23.520 games from your like an actual life. I just want 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.760 you to think of all those positive board game memories 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.839 you have as I read this story I found on 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.680 the website Little Adams as part of a series called 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:35.039 The Penance Industry by JP O'Malley or an article called 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:38.599 the Penance Industry by JP O'Malley. Now, the author's great 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.560 aunt was a woman named Elsie who spent basically her 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.240 entire life in service to the church. UH. The initial 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.000 crime for which she was incarcerated was having a child 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:51.559 out of wedlock. Now, Elsie was still basically a child 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:54.080 herself when her own family sent her to a Magdalene 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.919 laundry operated by the Good Shepherd Sisters in Waterford. This 0:04:58.040 --> 0:04:59.960 is how it often worked in Ireland, a profoundly cath 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:02.679 population who were only too happy to report their daughters, 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.120 nieces and cousins for getting pregnant out of redlock. Elsie 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:07.919 wound up spending the rest of her life in the 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:10.280 custody of the church. She lived with them until her 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:14.320 late eighties. J. P. Omalley writes, quote, as far back 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.760 as I can remember, Elsie would talk openly to us 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.839 kids about the work she did at the convent. She 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:20.480 and the other women, she told us, were made to 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.960 a symbol and package popular has broboard games. That's right, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:31.599 But yeah, has I knew I could smell the Hassan 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:36.440 fields coming off. Then yeah, the motherfucker's who made your 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.240 g I Joe's a major. I don't think those were 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.800 made in these places, but their board games were. Yes, 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.520 the Hasbro corporation profited off of the indentured labor of 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:46.560 women who in prison for the crime of having a 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.159 child or as we noted last episode of Stealing an Apple, 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:55.599 Now we're talking about brow more like how slave am I? Right? Okay, 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.440 I'll never come back to this show. This. This sounds 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.800 like some fucking fifties and sixties ship maybe, but this 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:06.760 program with Hasbro started in the nineteen eighties. There is 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.359 a very good chance that some, if not most, of 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:12.520 the people listening to this podcast played with board games 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.800 assembled by women who were basically slaves of the Catholic Church. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:20.080 According to Elsie, mouse Trap was apparently the worst board 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.800 game to us, saying, this is probably more for our 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:23.760 listeners who played board games that were you know, they 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.200 bought an Ireland or the UK or in Europe. I 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.479 don't know how like, Hasbro sold a lot of board games. Now, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.919 a lot of them had other labor rights issues, but yeah, 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:34.120 a lot of them were made by women in carcerated 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.560 in the Magdalene laundries. And again mouse Trap was the 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:40.360 worst of them. J. P Omalley continues, quote one Christmas, 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.480 when I was twelve, someone gave me a present of 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.480 a ker plunk set. I felt confused. Even at that age, 0:06:45.480 --> 0:06:48.080 I still felt there was something inherently sinister about deriving 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.080 any kind of enjoyment from a gift that my great 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.960 aunt could have packaged in the convent at Waterford. I 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.039 knew from the stories Elsie told us at home every 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.520 Christmas about how strict the nuns were. It wasn't so 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:00.159 much the words Elsie would use when she talked about them, 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.520 but her gaze would shift when she mentioned them. The 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.320 warm smile would vanish. It was replaced by a look 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:08.080 of petrification. All you had to do was look into 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.560 Elsie's eyes when she mentioned the Good Shepherd's sisters to 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.480 understand how prevalent the culture of fear was. The nuns 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.240 were the masters, and the women Elsie and thousands of 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.640 others were treated like small school children. So you know 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:25.200 how dark is that when you're playing hungry hungry hippos. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:30.800 Your fucking game was assembled by hungry, hungry, actual fucking women. Yeah, 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.239 being whipped by nuns forced to sleep in the cold 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.800 outside and the Irish winter because they didn't put together 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.679 the operation board fast enough. Yeah, and you're putting together 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:45.080 operation went for sure. If you got sick, they would 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:53.360 not pay for operation kill mass grave. Then sometimes dig 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:59.160 you up and rebar you in another mass grave. Thanks nuns, 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.960 not even skin pace for your ass. Just rest in 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:08.640 wherever the funky move you again. Yeah, you shouldn't even 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.840 be resting. You didn't do enough work for free for 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.280 the Catholic Church to profited even though they were already 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:18.360 worth most more than most nations. Honestly, shock they didn't 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:25.160 sell the remains as like fertilizer dollar. I'm not going 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:28.280 to say categorically that the Catholic Church never sold the 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:32.320 corpses of people that they let die for fertilizer. I'm 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.720 not willing to make that statement categorically because it's because 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:40.440 give us another like five years. Yeah, we're gonna dig 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.760 up some more mass graves, that's for damn sure. Now. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.719 In recent years, the Good Shepherd Order has admitted to 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.760 running a board game sweatshop during the Reagan years. They 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.400 made a statement to the Sunday Times about it quote. 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.959 In the nineteen eighties, Hasbro entered into an agreement with 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:57.520 the Good Shepherd Sisters in Waterford to provide materials for 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.520 packaging by our residents. The residents who pertend scipated in 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.000 this activity were regularly given what was then known as 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:07.160 their Hasbro money envelope. So put a pin in that 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.959 money envelope comment, because we're gonna circle back to that soon. Now. 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.840 We don't know exactly how long this went on, but 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.640 the most detail I found suggests that the arrangement between 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.240 Hasbro and the Good Shepherd Order continued for more than 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.920 thirty years, which means well into the two thousands, some 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.000 version of this was still happening. Now. I think it 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.559 might have gotten better. Um. It's hard to say exactly 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.080 how long it went on. UM, but Hasbro, who currently 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.920 has a market cap of eight billion dollars, claims they 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.959 had no direct commercial involvement with the Order. They claimed 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.920 that their business relationship was with a charity called Rehab, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.240 which purports to help disabled people into the workplace. It 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.679 seedn's odd defining incarcerated by a church for bearing a 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.880 child as a disability. Do you have to remember that 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.200 a lot of disabled people were also incarcerated by the 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.960 Catholic Church up until the nineties really gifts. I don't 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.960 want to go to Rehab like a whole as other 0:09:56.080 --> 0:10:01.240 meetings like forcibly labor for the has Bro corporations. I 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:06.200 don't want to make fucking mousetrap until fucking die now. 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.840 JP O'Malley's reporting on this is the best that I found. 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:10.960 He succeeded in talking to two other women who had 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.600 worked at assembling board games for the Good Shepherd Order. 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.920 I should note that one of these sources experiences predates 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:19.600 the Order's relationship with Hasbro. This first particular case, she 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:22.760 was incarcerated and was assembling board games through the mid 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:25.560 nineteen sixties to the late nineteen seventies. We don't know 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.160 what company they were making board games for, but they 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:32.840 described the experiences of their time laboring. There is extremely traumatic. Quote. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.160 She had packaged games, probably sometime in the nineteen seventies, 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.400 she admitted. This vagueness is a common theme with many 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.600 of the survivors I interviewed. The past is so painful 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.360 they tried to erase it from their memory as best 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.880 they can. The work involved, she's literally a PTSD symptom 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.360 that is like well known now, Yeah, the work involved, 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.400 she said, putting pieces in small bags. We received fifty 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.960 pence for pocket money. The woman explained. We put all 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:57.880 of our work into boxes quickly, and then the nuts 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.240 would have someone count them. If you didn't go fast enough, 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.280 you had to stay longer. Sometimes men would come in 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:03.880 and talk to the nuns and watch us do the 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.760 work too, she added. Another woman resident in the Good 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:11.760 Shepherd Convent in Waterford from Night claimed she packaged games too. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:15.000 Were there any wages for the work, no money, just food, 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:20.040 she told me. Now you might define making people labor 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.920 and just giving them food and not money as um 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:28.160 not not not paid labor. Um. I don't know if 0:11:28.160 --> 0:11:31.000 there's another word for not paid labor that you can't 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:34.160 choose not to do. Uh, we'll put a pin in that. No, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:42.400 that doesn't seem right. Um slavery. Slavery? Oh good, oh yeah, 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.000 nailed it. Yeah, perfect, really really getting getting the good 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:50.079 Irish music here. So I must again reiterate that none 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:53.000 of those these either of these women were making board 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:54.960 games during the Hasbro period. I don't know what company 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.360 they assembled games for, so Hasbro maybe telling the truth 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.240 when they say they're incarcerated single mother laborers were paid 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.120 for their work. But JB. O'Malley also talked to a 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.120 source who he kept anonymous, who claims to have been 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.960 an employee of Hasbro Ireland for five years during the 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.800 nineteen eighties. Her mother had also been a resident of 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.760 the Good Shepherd Convent in Waterford and had previously worked 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:18.000 at the Magdalen Laundries, and this Hasbro employee told JB. Omalley, quote, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.199 I can assure you those women who worked in Hasbro 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.120 Ireland from the convent that was their life. They worked 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.840 longer hours than the factory woman women, but the packaging 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.480 work was always done on site and the Good Shepherd convent. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.120 I presume the women didn't have any work contracts because 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.120 any money they got went through whoever was the mother 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.520 superior in the convent at the time. She went on 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.200 to clarify that whatever cash the women received was pocket 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:43.160 money rather than wages. So again, some of these women 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.600 almost certainly were not paid. It depended on whether or 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.280 not the nuns wanted to give the money. You assume 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.360 a lot of the nuns just took the money Hasbro 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:52.800 gave them. But Hasbro can claim these women were paid 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:54.720 for their labor because it's not their job to make 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.000 sure these women get paid for their labor. I love 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:04.400 las bodnia be. Deniability is the is the petrol that 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:09.800 capitalism runs on. You didn't ask us about the things 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:12.880 you needed? Why should we give them to you? Oh wait, 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:19.280 you do ask It doesn't matter. We still won't corporations. 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:26.400 That's from my upcoming musical Corporation. Yeah. I'm excited for ye. Yeah, 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.520 and you you actually execute the pope on stage during that. 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.720 If I'm not mistakes. I sure do, I sure do, 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.679 and then I hold up his head like Kathy Griffin 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.800 did with Trump, and um, that is how I hope 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:44.520 to get canceled. So here's crossed fingers crossed, and I'll 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.800 start opening for Lui c K. Because that's how cancelation works. 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:50.720 You just start being a right wing comedian. Oh yeah, no, 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.240 I'm I'm excited to Um, I hate that for you, 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.679 just so you know I hate it. I thought you 0:13:56.840 --> 0:14:01.760 hate it. It'll be amazing be canceled. No one's been canceled. 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:07.640 I'm gonna for Cosby. It's perfect. I'm going to start working. Yeah, 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.120 we're it's gonna be a it's gonna be a double act. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.359 Me and Bill Cosby his his his rejuvenation tour. Uncanceled 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.440 with Bill Cosby is what we're going to call it. 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:22.200 You know who wasn't canceled was the Catholic Church. Um, 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:29.320 yeah Bro. Hasbro also not canceled for any of this, barely. Yeah, Now, 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:36.120 this was controversial. The unpaid labor forcibly managed by Nuns 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:40.200 was controversial among regular Hasbro Ireland employees because around the 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:42.240 same time the company laid off a number of full 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:45.760 time workers. The basic allegation is that Hasbro fired salaried 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.960 employees to pay women being abused by the church pennies 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.400 to do the same work. So basically they fired people 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.800 getting fair wages and quote unquote hired incarcerated women and 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.520 then bribed the nuns to force them to work, is 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.480 the allegation. I'm sure Hasbro would say, we paid the 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.000 nuns through this company a fair rate for the work, 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:07.320 and what happened after that, if the nuns mistreated them, 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.440 that's we couldn't have known. But also sucked up when 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:16.760 someone else makes you a scab, Yeah you don't even Yeah, 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:23.080 you're like getting like fucking dpid by fucking like truly 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:28.880 like Hasbro and the Catholic Church. Yeah yeah, that's fucking 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:33.400 that's so fucked up. You're all everything's already so terrible 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:38.400 for you. And again, as a matter of like legal shit, um, 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.720 we can't confirm or deny that Hasbro themselves did anything 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:45.040 improper or knew about any improper working conditions. The fact 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.840 that women weren't being paid, they may have dotted their 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.560 legal eyes and crossed their legal ties. But I should 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.520 note while making this caveat then in two thousand nine, 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.920 The Guardian reported on the fact that Hasbro has repeatedly 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.640 been charged with human rights violations due to its inhumane 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:07.880 factories in China. So not out of the question either. Yeah. Yeah, 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.920 So I can't say to a point of certainty that 0:16:09.920 --> 0:16:12.440 the Hassan Felled Brothers Toy Company knowingly and with great 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.880 melos of forethought took advantage of a system of indentured 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.200 servitude to force abused women to labor in board game 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:20.720 making sweatshops well into the century. But I can say 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:27.160 maybe they did so. Yeah, paying hungry, hungry single mothers. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.200 If you want to support the uh, we will take 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.880 your money, has Bro. We'll take your money, but only 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.520 in the form of a bearcat armored vehicle. Come on, 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.120 has Bro, send me, send me an armored vehicle, and 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.920 all is forgiven. Well, I feel like there's a lot 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.120 more ways they could actually make it up to us. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.120 It doesn't just have to be an armored vehicle. Oh, 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.240 that's the only thing that will work for me, But 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.520 I'll do it for anybody. Like, if the British government 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.680 wants wants to wants to have me stop shipping on 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.640 their their terrible genocidal empire, send me a Saracen armored vehicle. 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.440 We can make it do like a yes and where 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.400 like that's the minimum. But then we want to oh yeah, 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.320 I mean I'll try to negotiate up if I can 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.919 maybe get to saracens um, maybe get a leopard. You know, 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:17.520 I think you need to get the armored vehicle train. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.919 Once you get one armored vehicle, you're all set and 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.320 then taking ship about Czarist Russia. If they send me 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.200 an armored train like this our had so that is 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.480 the train that I will get all trains as I 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:35.320 will take that. Hell yeah, armored trains. Look, you can 0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.840 buy behind the bastards, but it's going to cost you 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.919 armored vehicles. When I worked at YouTube, really quickly, I 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:45.480 just want to say, really quickly, I just want to 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:48.080 say that when I worked for YouTube and I had 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.240 to like sort and rate YouTube videos, I mean when 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:52.879 I worked for Google and I had to do that 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.960 for YouTube videos. One of the things that was so 0:17:56.040 --> 0:18:00.560 popular for Russian YouTube was videos of trains and it's 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.720 just the camera study and it's just the train going 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.879 by for twelve minutes, and I have to say it 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.440 was one of the most soothing times of my day 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.000 and when I have to watch a twelve minute train 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:17.800 videos anyway, that's it. Yeah, trains are nice because absolutely 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.000 no one was ever worked to death in huge numbers 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.760 to allow them to exist. That's the best thing about trains. 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.800 No one ever died for trains. Now, if you excuse me, 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:29.800 I'm going to take a big sip of coffee and 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:35.600 open my book of Chinese American history. A p I 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:39.800 months over what's happening. You can go ahead and just 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.760 forget about anyway. You know, who won't force thousands of 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.159 laborers to work to death building train tracks and inhumane 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:53.840 conditions these goods and services, unless it's literally any train company, 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:59.679 in which case they did. Anyway, it is other than 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.440 am Track. I don't think Amtrak did, probably not right. 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:13.119 Am Track spine ads. Ah, we're back and we're talking 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:18.440 about industrial abuse of women and children. Um, so we've 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:21.000 talked a bit about you know, the Magdalene laundries, the 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:24.159 industrial schools, and the industrial schools held a mix of 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.399 children who were incarcerated for you know, some in some 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.320 cases behavioral issues, kids who were taken from single mothers, 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.480 kids who couldn't be adopted. Uh, you know, the lucky 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.840 kids got sent off to parents in foreign countries, mostly 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.800 the United States, in a business that was very lucrative 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:40.800 for the child for the Catholic Church um and is 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.359 distinct from child trafficking for reasons that are unclear to me. 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.160 These were again the lucky ones, because the children who 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:49.440 were trafficked by the Catholic Church in many cases probably 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.639 got treated like human beings by their families. Probably in 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.520 a lot of cases at least more, they did better 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.200 than the kids who remained in the Catholic Church's custody, 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.760 because the older who stayed in these industrial schools were 0:20:01.800 --> 0:20:04.200 not as fortunate. I found the story of one young 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.760 woman named Mary who was taken from her mother as 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.600 a very small child. She was so tiny she had 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.760 to stand on top of a pile of stacked palettes 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:13.719 to reach the sink and do her job, which was 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.600 washing dishes, or sorry was which was washing sanitary napkins. 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:22.080 That was the job they gave me. Yeah, now, because 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.840 Mary was a set, please let her get her fucking 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:28.679 period before her washed period. Ship. She probably thought it 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.040 was just a bunch of women dying from their fucking 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.480 Vaginas everyone there were a bunch of women dying, So 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:39.160 that makes it better. It's true, not for the reason, 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:43.480 she thought, but so the nuns did not respect Mary 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.240 enough to refer to her by her name because she 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.040 was a criminal. So, like all the other girls in 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.919 the industrial school, she was given a number. Hers was 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:56.080 thirteen forty six. Again, these are nuns, These are nuns 0:20:56.160 --> 0:21:00.200 doing this. She was beaten regularly for misbehaving. The worst 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:01.920 beating she could recall when she was interviewed by the 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.760 BBC was the time when she and another girl asked 0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:06.800 an older child who had just been put in the 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:10.119 institution what it was like to go to school. A 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.919 nun overheard, they were told to go back to work. 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:15.320 Later that night, Mary and the other girl who had 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.760 dared to ask about school were called in by the 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:21.000 nun and beaten with a stick and a leather strap. Quote. 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:23.679 She lashed at me and told me, you're not to 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:27.640 talk to people now. Some days Mary would be sent 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:29.520 to work on a farm for the day. She was 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:31.760 not fed on those days, and she was so hungry 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.720 that she would often sneak chicken feet. As she grew older, 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.320 the nuns forbade her from looking at her developing body. 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:39.840 They forced her to wear a wrap around her chest 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.080 to flatten her breasts, and she was made to wear 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:46.240 a red petticoat while she bathed. As we've noted several 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:51.520 times already, the mortality rate in these schools was extremely high. 0:21:51.920 --> 0:21:56.400 The most credible estimates suggest at least nine thousand children 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.400 died in Catholic Church facilities as a result of neglect 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:01.840 over the course of the twentieth century. This is a 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.960 mortality rate of roughly fifteen percent of all children brought 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.679 into the system. While a number of these deaths occurred 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.399 at industrial schools and the Magdalene laundries, the deadliest of 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:13.320 the church run institutions during this period were probably the 0:22:13.400 --> 0:22:16.639 mother and baby homes. These are where single mothers were 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:18.680 put while pregnant and while their infants were too young 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:20.760 to be separated from them until the babies were old 0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:23.199 enough to be adopted off or sent to another institution. 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.800 The very worst of these of these facilities in the 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:29.560 County Cork, reported that seventy five percent of the children 0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:35.879 there died before their first birthday. This is seventy of 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:38.560 the kids in this facility die before there one, which 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:41.600 is if you were just shooting at children, you would 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:46.639 have a lower death rate than that, Like, those are 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:53.520 some insets, group and numbers. Jesus, those those are those 0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:57.119 stats are not you have to try to kill babies 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:04.320 at seventy percent. I'm gonna quote from Reuter's here. Anonymous 0:23:04.320 --> 0:23:07.320 testimony from residents compared the institutions to prisons, where they 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.359 were verbally abused by nuns as sinners and spawn of Satan. 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.920 Women suffered through traumatic labors without any pain relief. One 0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:16.800 recalled women screaming a woman who had lost her mind 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:21.240 in a room with small white coffins. So that's good, 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:26.960 Oh my god, lost her mind and m white coffins. Yeah, 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:30.480 just surrounded by baby corpses. You know, cool new nights, 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:35.160 not a cell phone inside living life. You know, well death. 0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:39.919 But you know now, very confusingly and it's a good article, 0:23:39.960 --> 0:23:42.880 but it has a confusing phrase that it notes that by. 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:45.760 It opens by noting that, alongside thousands of deaths enforced 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:50.480 child separations, quote, children were vaccinated without consent. This doesn't 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:52.679 seem like it belongs with the rest of that, because 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:55.679 who would consider vaccinating a child with or without consent 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.800 on the same plane as murdering children? Um, we'll not 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:04.119 worry a lot of people. Now, but actually this is 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:06.480 just kind of bad phrasing, weirdly bad phrasing. At the 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:08.920 start of the article. The vaccine story is actually super 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:12.040 fucked up and absolutely worthy of conclusion because it wasn't 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:15.520 that they were vaccinating children. Um. What actually happened, and 0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:18.440 again Reuters does go into this later, is that institutionalized 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:21.639 children were used as guinea pigs for experimental vaccines without 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:25.720 their consent. There were at least it's fucking rad there 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:30.560 were at least oh yeah, now it doesn't have it 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:32.439 doesn't go as bad as mangle and stuff. That is 0:24:32.440 --> 0:24:33.919 one of the things I have to say about this, 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:37.320 because I think they were testing actual vaccines as opposed 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:41.479 to mangle is just doing murder nonsense. Um. There were 0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:45.680 at least thirteen separate trials for the theory of polio, measles, rebella, 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:49.680 and other shots. Um. Now, none of the and against 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:51.520 some of the children. Most of the children in these 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:55.640 in these trials were children from general society whose parents 0:24:55.680 --> 0:24:58.879 consented to them being part of the vaccine trial, but 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:00.960 also a bunch of the and this were children and 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:03.320 the mother and baby homes, some who were just fifteen 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:05.879 years old. Uh, Some of the mothers were just fifteen 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:08.919 years old. Um, we're not asked to give consent. This 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.199 was generally justified by the fact that these mothers had 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.679 mental health issues or psychiatric disorders. So normal moms have 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:18.240 to consent to give have their parents part of this experiment. 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:21.480 The children mothers and the mother and baby homes don't 0:25:21.520 --> 0:25:23.520 aren't don't need to be asked for consent because they 0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:27.240 have mental problems according to the nuns who are beating them. Um. 0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:32.040 Now again, whether according to the nuns who are being 0:25:32.600 --> 0:25:34.919 because of an incredible sentence, We don't know if any 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:37.439 of these women were diagnosed by an actual doctor who 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:39.399 had any kind of credibility to have any kind of 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:42.200 psychiatric issues. Not that would have made it okay. I'm 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:44.399 just making the point that these diagnoses seem to have 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:46.720 been just handed out by nuns and priests, a large 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:50.920 number of whom were child molesters. So documentation on these 0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:53.600 trials is notoriously sketchy, but just based on what I've 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.640 sniffed around, it as a definite whiff of ship being 0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:58.040 covered up. That said, there is no hard evidence of 0:25:58.040 --> 0:26:00.680 any serious harms due to these tests. There is one 0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:02.600 case of a child from one of these homes who 0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.760 died of cardiac and respiratory failure two weeks after receiving 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.600 a vaccine. The commission that investigated this said that the 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.560 death did not appear to have been linked to the vaccines. 0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:13.359 And again, these facilities are killing babies left and right, 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:15.440 so there's a good chance that it was the baby 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:20.359 died just because of other mistreatment. UM, and yeah, it's um, 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:23.720 it's cool. Uh, it's really cool. So again, as I noted, 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:26.000 about forty three thousand children in total took part in 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:28.879 these trials. Most of them were from the general population 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.119 and their parents were reached out to for consent, and 0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:33.879 that consent was documented. This was not the case of 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:35.879 children from the mother in baby homes. I'm going to 0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:39.040 quote from the Irish Examiner here. The commission noted, and 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:41.560 this is an investigation later noted that Dr Hanley, who 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:45.240 did the vaccine tests, emphasized the importance of obtaining written 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:47.399 consent prior to treatment and provided a breakdown of the 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:50.080 number of consent forms returned to each school. No child 0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.280 was immunized unless a written parental consent form was produced. However, 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.040 doctor Hanley made no mention of consent written or otherwise 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.440 in respect to institutional children. So again, like, why would 0:26:59.440 --> 0:27:02.239 you give a ship? Obviously consent matters unless you're one 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.600 of these kids that the Catholic Church owns, then who cares. 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:11.040 It's good, it's great ship. It's pretty enough now. One 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:13.119 of the articles I found on this noted that in 0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:15.399 the forties and fifties it was common across Europe and 0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.639 the United States to use institutionalized children as guinea pigs 0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:21.200 for vaccine trials. In the U. S. And Canada, this 0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:24.080 often meant Indigenous children who had been separated by their 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:27.280 families forcibly to be de indianized. This is not the 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.719 story we're telling today, but it's worth mentioning that that happened. 0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:31.800 We've talked about the residential schools before. This is a 0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:34.320 thing that happens outside of Ireland. Two children who are 0:27:34.359 --> 0:27:37.760 forcibly incarcerated in institutions with similar death tolls to these 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.280 homes in Ireland. Um and a lot of it. A 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:41.880 lot of times in the U. S. And Canada, it's 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:46.760 indigenous kids, um And yeah, it's it's interesting that because 0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:48.320 of how fucked up this story is the part where 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.760 we're talking about using child slaves as medical guinea pigs 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:53.639 is the least dark part of the story. This is 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.280 the least body count of anything we're talking about, including 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:59.280 probably has bro um. But now it's time to go 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.439 back to the dead babies, specifically the mass graves of 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:06.440 dead babies now the most Thank God. I was wondering 0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:10.280 if you invited me for a reason you. You texted 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:13.040 me the other day saying, Robert, my hands are shaking. 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.479 I haven't talked about mass graves of dead children in months? 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:18.920 What am I? What are we gotta? I gotta get 0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:21.560 a fix, That's what I said. And I showed you 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:25.040 my dead baby track track marks, and I was like, yep, 0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:29.639 I gotta get back in the game. I got the need, 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:34.320 the need for dead baby, the dead baby dragon. You 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:37.040 gotta you gotta chase the dragon. The dragon is the 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:41.760 baby's corpse. Yeah. Now, the most infamous mass child grave 0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:44.240 covered up by the Catholic Church in Ireland is probably 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:46.320 the one at St Mary's in the village of Twam, 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:49.480 which is colloquially known as the Home. This was a 0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:52.360 child and mother home run by the bond Secour Nuns 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.840 from nineteen to nineteen sixty one in nineteen sixty one, 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:58.120 the home closed down and it's child inmates were sent 0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:00.880 to nearby industrial schools. The bill then was bulldozed and 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.480 low wincome housing was put up on its site. In 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:07.040 two children were playing on the site the former site 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:10.520 of the home. They found several concrete slabs loosely covering 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:13.440 a hollow. Being young boys, they moved the slabs and 0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:16.920 discovered a hole underneath it. They crawled inside and realized 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.840 to their horror that it was quote full of skeletons 0:29:19.880 --> 0:29:26.880 of children. Oh my god, oh my god. Good ship 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:30.880 right there, Like the kind of thing where your mom's like, Okay, 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:34.360 can you not do this ship you've been doing? Can 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:36.640 you not go out? Can you not like go into 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:39.360 caves that you see a shamus? You go fucking around 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.640 in caves and you're gonna find dead babies. And then 0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:46.120 you go in the cave and you find literal skeletons 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:51.520 of other children. That seems like your mom planted them 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:55.080 to just like drive her point home about what you 0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:59.360 should not have been doing. That ship is so creepy. Yeah, 0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.640 it might be one of those things were like as 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.840 a child, you decide to stop exploring after that, Like 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:12.560 you know, yeah, no fucking ship you and immediately yeah, 0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:16.560 I like computers. Now I don't know how to code. 0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:20.640 I can't go outside anymore. It's full of skeletons. It's 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:24.560 full of dead children out there, and I cannot. These 0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.680 boys find a hole full of baby skeletons and they 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:32.600 go home to tell their families. Now the church immediately 0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:34.880 gets involved here and they do what they do best, 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.560 which is hushed things up. A priest does a mass 0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:39.800 at the burial site, and the grave was covered again 0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.200 more permanently. This time, there was no investigation into what 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:45.840 had happened or who was buried there. But the people 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:49.080 of Tuam didn't forget from the journal dot I quote. 0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:51.120 A local couple began to take care of the small 0:30:51.120 --> 0:30:53.320 patch of land, erecting a grotto in the corner and 0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:55.880 maintaining it for thirty five years, trimming the grass and 0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:59.240 planting flowers. Stories continued to spread about the bodies and 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:02.040 the institution that put them there. Similar story spread all 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:05.360 around Ireland, dipping into the cultural unconsciousness like tap roots 0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:09.000 into soil. Now, in nineteen seventy six, the year after 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.400 these kids find this mass grave, a pair of journalists 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:14.000 from the Irish time start making inquiries about the still 0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.400 ongoing programs like the industrial schools and the Magdalen laundries. 0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.920 One of the journalists who started this investigation was inspired 0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.800 to do so because her husband, a psychiatrist, had a 0:31:23.840 --> 0:31:27.200 young female patient who became hysterical the moment and none 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:30.360 entered the ward. The psychiatrist was savvy enough to be like, 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.280 she starts screaming and freaking out the instant, and none 0:31:33.280 --> 0:31:37.600 walks in. There might be something here. Perhaps I should 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:41.800 tell my journalist wife to look into this. I love that. 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:46.520 That's like, sadly, like our lowest like expectation of anyone 0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:50.560 the bars solo or like, I don't know. Kudos to 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:54.720 he didn't he let it go. He didn't have to 0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:57.200 be like. This probably should be looked into a little bit. 0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:00.360 She's shrieking in agony at the sight of a nun. 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:06.080 This might might deserve an investigation. So so he starts 0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:08.320 talking to um. He starts talking first before he goes 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:10.200 to his wife. He starts talking to this young woman 0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.600 who's become hysterical at the side of a nun. Uh, 0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.479 And he starts asking her like why, and she, in 0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:19.520 his words, persistently described witnessing the savage, bloody beating of 0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:21.680 a little girl at the orphanage she was sent to. 0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:24.920 This girl eventually disappeared, and she believed the girl had 0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:26.920 been killed and buried in a mass grave after being 0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.680 beaten to death by the nuns. From the Irish Times 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:33.080 quote by chance, my friend Mavis, also a journalist, this 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:34.840 is the other journalist in this team, had a young 0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.000 woman from the same place living with her, waiting for 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.680 the birth of a baby. At sixteen, Like all the girls, 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.000 she'd been sent away to work as a domestic, Utterly 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.840 ignorant of the world and vulnerable to mail predation. She 0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.640 told Mavis about horrifying cruelty and deprivation at this institution, 0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:51.400 by then closed, It was often described as one of 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:55.080 the good schools. Gradually we discovered the context that Ireland 0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.400 had been infested with these places, all run by religious orders. 0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:01.360 We learned that some still existed and that they operated 0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.840 with state funding through the Department of Education under the 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:07.160 nineteen o eight Acts regulations. They were designed to protect, feed, 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:10.760 clothe and educate children in state care. So these two 0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:13.480 journalists set out to investigate the scoop of what was 0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:16.400 going on in these facilities, they made requests to the 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.760 Department of Education to find examples of children's diet plans 0:33:19.760 --> 0:33:22.360 and punishments that had been recorded, because the nineteeno ed 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:24.600 Child Protected Law had mandated you have to if you're 0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:26.600 running one of these facilities, you have to document what 0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:28.840 you're feeding these kids, and you have to document how 0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:32.080 you're punishing them, so we know if you're violating human rights. 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.920 Are not. Um, So they go to the Department of 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:37.480 Education and they go with these facilities they heard stories 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:39.960 from and say, what were these kids being fed? How 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:43.720 were they being punished? The documentation is legally required to exist, 0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:45.800 and the Department of Education is like, oh, I'm sorry, 0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:51.480 there's no available documentation, which m M as a journalist. MM. 0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:54.880 So these journalists, who are great journalists, asked next for 0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.520 records of children sent out to work from the age 0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:00.240 of ten on. They were told that these reports did 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.680 not exist. They were asked by what process it was 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:04.720 decided that girls would be sent to labor in the 0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:07.920 Magdalene laundries. They were told by a representative of the 0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.520 Department of Education, Oh, we'd better not delve into that terrain. 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.880 So I also feel like, um, yeah, I mean, I 0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:21.879 guess the Nazis kept kind of good records, but like, 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.319 well they did try to burn them all, but yeah, yeah, 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:29.040 But I'm just saying, like overall, we shouldn't really expect 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:34.879 the perpetrator to have great like record of their crimes. 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.440 I mean sometimes, but generally when they know ships about 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.640 to like hit the fan, they're like, better make sure 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:45.200 this doesn't exist. So it's kind of fun when people 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.879 just like turn to a bad people and they're like, hey, 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.520 could you give evidence of you being bad and they're 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:55.200 like no, sorry, somehow that evidence is gone. Yeah, It's 0:34:55.280 --> 0:35:02.560 like well yeah, yeah yeah. So the government stonewalling forced 0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:04.520 these women to dig and they uncovered a bunch of 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.879 horrifying ship including the fact that in nine thirty five 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.480 children had died in a fire at an industrial school 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:14.120 in Kavan Now. They found transcripts from an inquiry into 0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.680 the fire that showed the government closing ranks to protect 0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.520 the nuns over and over again. They found a quote 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:23.480 absence of accountability and casual law breaking at these facilities. 0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.920 They got documentary evidence of the late Minister of Education, 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.040 Brian Lenihan, concurring with a referend mother's demand that a 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.920 girl will be illegally imprisoned in an institution. So again, 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:37.360 the government is entirely complicit in this. These reporters started 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:39.480 working on a book about their findings, and they were 0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:43.160 heavily discouraged by basically everyone they knew. Here's a quote 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:45.560 from them describing the reaction they got. For most people. 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.680 It'll upset the good sisters. What's the point? Everything's different now? 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:54.640 So again it wasn't um Again, it was the eighties 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.759 when the Hasbro company was using these women's labor. So 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:01.479 their book was published in nineteen eighties. That's Simpson's quote 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.080 about the Germans were like, sure they've made some mistakes 0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:18.640 sevens ex uh you know what else has racers? You know, 0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:24.760 well we can't promise that, but yeah, probably these goods 0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:30.840 and services don't need eracers. These goods and services, I 0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.799 will say at least a seventy percent chance we're not 0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:38.200 complicit and covering up crimes against humanity by them. That's 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:44.400 the behind the bastards guarantee garonte bah blah by them. 0:36:44.440 --> 0:36:54.360 All right, products ah, we're back having a great time. 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:58.400 So these reporters published their book in nine It is 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.840 poorly reviewed, slammed by everyone is an unfair and unhinged 0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.640 attack on the noble nuns and priests doing difficult work. 0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:07.080 We of course, now know that every word of it 0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.480 was true, and it's probably worth drawing a line between 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:12.160 how this book gets slammed by people and what happens 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.440 to Senat O'Connor when she tears up a picture of 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:18.360 the Pope on Saturday Night Live. Um, she's just universally 0:37:18.480 --> 0:37:22.600 attacked by fucking everybody for being just an idiot, and like, 0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:26.400 oh you're She's just a crazy woman who's being disrespectful 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.359 to this wonderful institution, these good holy men. And now 0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:31.480 we know that every single pope who's ever been the 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:34.840 pope has been complicit, openly complicit in covering up the 0:37:34.840 --> 0:37:37.880 mass rape and murder of children, every single one of them, 0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:40.959 not one excluded, and including the popes you like, fuck 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:44.400 them all. Um, suck the Pope is the is the 0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:48.040 motto of the behind the Bastard show. Um that guy 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:51.360 in St. Petersburg who shot John Paul the Second not 0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:53.719 on the wrong side of things. That's my stance on 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:58.799 shooting John Paul the Second. Also, there is some sort 0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:02.359 of wildly crazy mental gymnastics that you have to do 0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:06.360 to like be like an incredibly rich and closed city 0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:12.280 and incredibly rich like fabrics and all this fucking ship 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:15.320 when your whole thing is to be like humble and whatever, 0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.919 but to every second of your day. I just, yeah, 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:22.880 the mental gymnastics you must do is a quote unquote 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:27.120 representative of God. To make that makes sense, is I'm like, 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:32.440 all right, some own fucking biles, I'm a humble servant 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.040 of the Lord who happens to live in his own 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:39.200 independent nations with billions of dollars in golden riches buried 0:38:39.320 --> 0:38:43.520 secretly beneath it, guarded by Swiss mercenaries. What is the 0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:45.759 problem with that? How does that? How does that not 0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.640 say humble servant of God to you? For real? You 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:52.040 live the Swiss mercenaries. It's the Swiss mercenaries, isn't it. 0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:57.040 You truly live in some ship that sounds like a 0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:01.680 fairy tale And no point You're like, huh, is this 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:07.120 something I'm perpetuating that is precisely against what I pretend 0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:11.000 God is. Maybe I should take a knee and fucking 0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:15.040 renounce all this bullshit. Oh wait, now, okay, cool, I'll 0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:20.160 just riding around in my weird bulletproof Pope mobile a 0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.240 fun thing to do with the the high up leadership 0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:24.160 of the Catholic Church. I'm not saying this about necessarily 0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.239 every single priest, because they're there are definitely parishes and 0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.239 stuff where there weren't molestation. And as we've talked about 0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:30.120 in the episodes in the School of the America's, there 0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:33.480 were heroic Catholic priests and nuns who fought against these 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:36.440 right wing death squads and acts of genocide in places 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.200 like Guatemala. And I don't mean that like I'm not 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:43.719 saying every single Catholic Church official um is complicit in this, 0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.120 but everyone at the highest level leadership of the church 0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:51.280 absolutely is. Everyone who is running the Vatican, every pope 0:39:51.840 --> 0:39:55.080 knows about this ship and is complicit and covering up. 0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:58.000 And every year we get more evidence of that. Every 0:39:58.080 --> 0:40:00.680 high level Catholic official is a part of not just 0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:03.680 this but the mass child molestation, every single one of them. 0:40:03.840 --> 0:40:06.240 And if you start to come up with defenses for them, 0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:10.040 replace the word Catholic Church with Nazi Germany and see 0:40:10.040 --> 0:40:13.040 if those defenses sound like things that defenders of the 0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:16.040 Wehrmacht say when they're trying to claim that there were 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:19.239 large chunks of the Nazis who weren't complicit in the genocide. 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.080 It's the same ship they ran the Catholic Church. They 0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:27.120 were part of it. And also Catholics were part of Uh. Yeah, 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:30.439 that's I mean, that's a complete the actual Holocaust and 0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:33.799 they were in genocide. That is part of World Wine two. 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:38.880 In fairness though, you have to there you have to 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.359 separate the Church in Rome from the Catholic Church, large 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:43.160 parts of the Chatholic Church in Germany who were a 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:45.080 big part of the resistance to Hitler, and in fact, 0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:48.640 the three groups that Ryanhardt Hydrick, the architect of the Holocaust, 0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:53.200 targeted in Germany were activist clerics, which were Catholic priests 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.960 that were anti Nazi. Uh, the Jews obviously in freemasons. 0:40:57.400 --> 0:41:01.400 Um so I I don't want to like again in Germany. Yeah, 0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:03.560 but yes, and with the Catholic the pope at that 0:41:03.560 --> 0:41:06.920 point there's a bunch of fucked up ship. You can say, yes, um, 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:08.759 I just I never want to be the Catholic. The 0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:10.279 part of the problem when you're trying to condemn the 0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:11.960 Catholic church's inneviatively to people will be like, well, what 0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:15.160 about this heroic priest who gave his life protecting It's like, yes, 0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:18.000 I'm not saying he helped cover up mass child rape. 0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.480 I'm talking about the popes. I'm talking about the bishops. 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:22.799 I'm talking about the people in charge of talking about 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:27.040 the organization in the way conducted itself, and that is 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:29.719 equivalent to a lot of other organizations. We're not We 0:41:29.760 --> 0:41:33.840 don't say every is really person, every person or whatever. 0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:36.400 Just like when we talk about US war crimes. I'm 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.040 not saying that your uncle who was drafted at age 0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:42.240 eighteen is responsible for the deployment of age and Orange 0:41:42.320 --> 0:41:44.200 on the jungles of Vietnam. In a lot of ways, 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:47.960 he's a victim too, But like, yeah, it's it's the organization. 0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:51.440 Everyone running the organization of the Catholic Church is complicit 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:55.759 in this um and that's cool and good Sophia, it's not. 0:41:56.160 --> 0:42:02.279 I think it's incredibly devastating and I'm glad I started drinking. Yeah, 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:07.440 it's a good time to be drinking, just the whole year. UM. 0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:09.520 So a big part of the reason why the horrors 0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:11.640 of this system are now widely known has to do 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.759 with a single woman from the village of Tuam and 0:42:13.800 --> 0:42:16.720 not to white, not to wash out those brave journalists 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:19.319 who did the important work of documenting this. But that 0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:22.800 got kind of covered up in the eighties. Um tuamas 0:42:22.800 --> 0:42:25.279 again where that child mass grave was uncovered? Uh. And 0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:29.240 this woman's name is Katherine Cordless. She grew up hearing 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.680 the whispered stories about that mass grave which had been 0:42:31.680 --> 0:42:33.960 so efficiently hushed up and covered up by the church. 0:42:34.320 --> 0:42:36.680 She started to investigate in the early aughts. And I'm 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.600 gonna quote from the journal dot I E here. Cordless 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:41.960 works on her family farm. She didn't have an academic 0:42:42.040 --> 0:42:44.400 institution behind her. Instead, she worked on it in her 0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:47.080 spare time. On a rainy day, I'd really get down 0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:49.120 to it and go to work in the library. She said. 0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:52.319 She initially tried to contact the Bond Succors sisters at 0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:54.520 their Cork headquarters and was told that they no longer 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:57.400 had files or information about the home. She tried the 0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:00.000 Western Health Board, who told her there was no information available. 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:03.240 When she tried to access information from Galway County Council, 0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:05.520 she says she was told that she wasn't allowed because 0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:08.480 she didn't have a university degree. That's exactly what I 0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:11.239 was told I couldn't look at the records, but the 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.200 council would let her look at the information about the 0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:16.759 housing estate which had been built over the ruins of 0:43:16.800 --> 0:43:19.680 the old home, and from this, from this information about 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:21.839 the housing estate, she was able to piece together data 0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:25.120 about the original site. She eventually hit upon the idea 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.759 of going to the registry office in Galway to get 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:30.879 death certificates for every child who had perished at the home. 0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.400 Her contact at the office called her a week later 0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:36.640 and said, do you really want all these death certificates 0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:38.719 because you're going to be charged for each of them, 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:44.759 and there's a funkload of them. Corless was charged four 0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:49.280 euros for each death certificate she requested between two thousand eleven. 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:52.480 When she started requesting them in two thousand thirteen, she 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:56.239 came up with seven hundred and nineties six deaths. They 0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.879 ranged from newborns to nine year old children. The death 0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:05.520 certificates gave causes raging from malnutrition, neglect, measles, tuberculosis and pneumonia. 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:07.759 The number of deaths and the time the home was 0:44:07.800 --> 0:44:11.640 operational mean that one child died there every fifteen days. 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:14.839 By overlaying a map of the site as it looks 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:17.520 today with plans for the old building. She realized that 0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:20.040 the mass grave discovered in nineteen seventy five had been 0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:23.200 built in the old location of the homes sewage tank. 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:25.880 So when they demolished the building, they stuck all the 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:32.400 corpses in the sewage tank. That's good, very respectful, life matters. 0:44:32.760 --> 0:44:36.200 Catholic Church, famed advocates of the sanctity of human life 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:43.600 se literal ship pit you babies that we didn't feed. 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:48.320 It was the mass graves at Tuam that finally sparked 0:44:48.320 --> 0:44:50.719 widespread public outrage over what the Church had been doing 0:44:50.719 --> 0:44:53.000 in Ireland for decades. This is not to say that 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.720 the crimes of the residential school system were unknown prior 0:44:55.760 --> 0:44:57.440 to that point. There were obviously a lot of stories 0:44:57.440 --> 0:44:59.920 come in that book had been written. There were stories 0:44:59.920 --> 0:45:02.040 of sexual abuse, there were stories of brutal's punishment that 0:45:02.080 --> 0:45:05.799 had come out. Sneed O'Connor had done her thing um 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.200 and in two thousand one, which is like a decade 0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:11.000 before she starts finding these death certificates, the Catholic Church 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:13.200 had agreed to put a hundred million euros into a 0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:17.080 special state fund for victims of abuse. Now this was 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:19.880 not because they recognized they'd done bad and wanted to 0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:23.000 make it right. This was because in two thousand one 0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.680 they were finally starting to get evidence out about all 0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:28.439 of the well documented rapes that Catholic priests had carried out. 0:45:28.760 --> 0:45:31.520 And so as part of this agreement about dealing hushing 0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:33.799 up the rapes, the church puts a hundred million into 0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:36.920 a fund and they say, we're also saying this fund 0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:38.920 is going to go to people who were abused in 0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:42.000 our residential schools because they're going to start suing in 0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:46.320 a few years UM. And in order to receive these funds, 0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:49.400 they have to be barred from suing the church directly. 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:51.160 This is an agreement they make with the Irish government. 0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:52.640 Is the Irish Government's like, you guys were raping a 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:54.239 lot of kids. You need to do something about this. 0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.040 And they're like, okay, here's a hundred million. Also, people 0:45:57.120 --> 0:45:59.120 are gonna try to sue us for the other horrible ship. 0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.200 We did make sure that if they take money from 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.600 this fund, they agree to not sue us. That's fucking cool, right, 0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:09.600 good ship Catholic Church. UM. Now, the part of the 0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:12.560 legal requirements around the funds ensured that only victims of 0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:15.920 sexual abuse and not physical abuse could receive funds. So 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.640 we talked earlier about one of the women whose story 0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:21.479 inspired those journals to start their investigation. Watched a little 0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:24.479 girl get beaten to death by nuns. If that girl 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.640 had survived, she wouldn't have been she wouldn't have gotten 0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:29.520 any money. She wouldn't have been because she didn't get raped. 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:36.080 Right again, good ship from the Catholic Church. Real nice 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:39.520 to be able to quantify abuse like that. Now. The 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:41.759 fact that they tried to lock all this down and 0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:44.000 put the funding out in two thousand one was very 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.200 savvy of the church because of course they were well 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:48.520 aware that as the stories of mass child sex abuse 0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.239 by priests had broken containment, so too with the whole 0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:54.080 story of the industrial schools, the Magdalen laundries, and the 0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:56.520 mother in baby homes. By making a deal in two 0:46:56.560 --> 0:46:59.000 thousand one, they protected themselves from the fallout win In 0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:02.120 two thousand and thirteen, a comprehensive government report on the 0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:05.640 horrors of the industrial school system was finally released. Two 0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:08.680 thousand thirteen is the year when the Irish President or whatever, 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:12.480 Indo Kinney apologized for the state's role in the horrors. 0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:15.560 Church representatives also came out and expressed their horror at 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:18.120 how bad the things they've done were. A new government 0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:20.520 scheme was announced to give out lump some payments from 0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:23.359 eleven thousand, five hundred euro to one hundred thousand euro 0:47:23.680 --> 0:47:26.279 based on a woman's length of stay in an institution. 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.040 This benefits package fell well short of what the two 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.880 thousand thirteen report had recommended, and it also contained a 0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:34.280 ton of caveats, enough that many victims of the system 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:37.840 did not qualify for funds. To date, only about twenty 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:40.640 nine eight million euro has been paid out to just 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.640 seven hundred and seventy applicants, most of whom got the 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:46.560 full hundred thousand euro. Because that's how many people were 0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:50.759 profoundly abused by this system. Um, and the Catholic Church 0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:53.240 is still let's look up, let's look up the expected 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:54.920 net worth of the Catholic Church that's all on this 0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:59.799 journey together. Uh, how much? How much the Catholic Church? 0:48:00.200 --> 0:48:04.759 I fucking numbers? Yeah, because we don't know because they've 0:48:04.800 --> 0:48:10.680 hidden it all underground. Um. Banker's best guest of the 0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:13.560 Vaticans wealth this is nineteen sixty five put it at 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:17.920 ten billion to fifteen billion. So that's nineteen sixty five. 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:22.960 Is the estimate is ten to fifteen billion ums, much 0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:25.920 more than Yeah, here's a twist article. How rich is 0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:29.040 the Catholic Church. It's impossible to stell. How much real 0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.920 estate does the Catholic Church hold? What are its equity holdings? 0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:36.200 We just don't fucking no. Welcome to the fucking imaginary 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:39.400 numbers game. Yeah, oh fuck, this is fun. In the 0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:42.520 nineteen sixties, Italian media uncovered evidence that the Vatican had 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:45.480 intested had invested in entities that conflict directly with the 0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:50.400 Church's holy holy mission, including Instituto Pharma Logico Sarroono, a 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.840 pharmaceutical company that made birth control pills, and You Die In, 0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:57.800 a military weapons manufacturer. There have also been unconfirmed rumors 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:01.480 of Church money and firearms manufacturer and companies with activities 0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:04.160 and gambling in pornography. It has been linked with dealings 0:49:04.160 --> 0:49:07.279 with Nazi gold during World War Two as well. There 0:49:07.280 --> 0:49:13.359 you go, fucking red baby. Uh you love to hear it. 0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:18.239 Good ship. Yeah, but it's cool. They've Attican passed its 0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:21.040 first law against money laundering and terrorist group funding in 0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:25.560 two thousand eleven, so so they've been on this for 0:49:25.600 --> 0:49:32.000 a long time. Honestly they care, this is important to them, etcetera, etcetera. Um, 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:41.160 hypocricy pays baby, Yeah it does, it does. Um. I 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:44.440 don't know this has been a profoundly anti Catholic article 0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:49.920 or episode of my podcast. I ever start being against 0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:57.719 like ship that is like profoundly immral. Will you just 0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:01.120 like come to my house with or many knives and 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:05.479 machetes and just fucking murder me? Yeah? 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