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Speaker 1: talking about the wires people in all of our Irish history.

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Speaker 1: Chim Chim cherub uncle tie. That was my racist Irish. Wow,

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Speaker 1: it looks like the unsubscribed numbers for Ireland. A seven

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Speaker 1: people in Ireland have stopped listening to our podcast. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and now those seven people have told another seven people,

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Speaker 1: listenership in the UK has tripled. So uh, we do

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Speaker 1: in that ask? No, I don't trust sweet potatoes. Um.

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Speaker 1: I love normal potatoes, though I don't trust them. Um,

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Speaker 1: and that's what I don't trust about them. Okay, well

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Speaker 1: it's it's like people in my life who are sweet

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Speaker 1: can gold potatoes? Yes, that's one of the potatoes gifts.

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Speaker 1: but I don't like being loved in return? Am I

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Speaker 1: am I the one who's responsible for your nickname podcast Daddy? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I am you are. Can you trust someone who has

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Speaker 1: nicknamed you such? You can? Would I ever steal a

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Speaker 1: enough that you could get away with. Well, I would

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Speaker 1: solicit your listeners to send me my own knives. Send

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Speaker 1: Sophia knives. Just don't send Sophia knives and unlabeled packages.

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Speaker 1: And also remember our rule. If you send Sophia knives,

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Speaker 1: think I'm disarming and then I stabbed him in the heart.

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Speaker 1: It's it's great. At the end of this episode, I

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Speaker 1: send me You're happy face nine, Sophia. Some knives, some

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Speaker 1: Last episode we talked a lot about a lot of

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Speaker 1: somehow cheaper to murder people than I promis and sell

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Speaker 1: But that's not all they forced incarcerated women to do

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Speaker 1: of play and playing mouse Trap, you know, little bit Monopoly, right,

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Speaker 1: The Penance Industry by JP O'Malley or an article called

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Speaker 1: the Hasbro corporation profited off of the indentured labor of

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Speaker 1: the people listening to this podcast played with board games

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Speaker 1: According to Elsie, mouse Trap was apparently the worst board

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Speaker 1: don't know how like, Hasbro sold a lot of board games. Now,

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Speaker 1: again Reuters does go into this later, is that institutionalized

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Speaker 1: children were used as guinea pigs for experimental vaccines without

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Speaker 1: their consent. There were at least it's fucking rad there

427
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: were at least oh yeah, now it doesn't have it

428
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,439
Speaker 1: doesn't go as bad as mangle and stuff. That is

429
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: one of the things I have to say about this,

430
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: because I think they were testing actual vaccines as opposed

431
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,479
Speaker 1: to mangle is just doing murder nonsense. Um. There were

432
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 1: at least thirteen separate trials for the theory of polio, measles, rebella,

433
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Speaker 1: and other shots. Um. Now, none of the and against

434
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: some of the children. Most of the children in these

435
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: in these trials were children from general society whose parents

436
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: consented to them being part of the vaccine trial, but

437
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: also a bunch of the and this were children and

438
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: the mother and baby homes, some who were just fifteen

439
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: years old. Uh, Some of the mothers were just fifteen

440
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: years old. Um, we're not asked to give consent. This

441
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: was generally justified by the fact that these mothers had

442
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: mental health issues or psychiatric disorders. So normal moms have

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Speaker 1: to consent to give have their parents part of this experiment.

444
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: The children mothers and the mother and baby homes don't

445
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: aren't don't need to be asked for consent because they

446
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: have mental problems according to the nuns who are beating them. Um.

447
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: Now again, whether according to the nuns who are being

448
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: because of an incredible sentence, We don't know if any

449
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: of these women were diagnosed by an actual doctor who

450
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: had any kind of credibility to have any kind of

451
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: psychiatric issues. Not that would have made it okay. I'm

452
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 1: just making the point that these diagnoses seem to have

453
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: been just handed out by nuns and priests, a large

454
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: number of whom were child molesters. So documentation on these

455
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: trials is notoriously sketchy, but just based on what I've

456
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: sniffed around, it as a definite whiff of ship being

457
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: covered up. That said, there is no hard evidence of

458
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: any serious harms due to these tests. There is one

459
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: case of a child from one of these homes who

460
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: died of cardiac and respiratory failure two weeks after receiving

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Speaker 1: a vaccine. The commission that investigated this said that the

462
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Speaker 1: death did not appear to have been linked to the vaccines.

463
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: And again, these facilities are killing babies left and right,

464
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: so there's a good chance that it was the baby

465
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: died just because of other mistreatment. UM, and yeah, it's um,

466
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: it's cool. Uh, it's really cool. So again, as I noted,

467
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: about forty three thousand children in total took part in

468
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 1: these trials. Most of them were from the general population

469
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: and their parents were reached out to for consent, and

470
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Speaker 1: that consent was documented. This was not the case of

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Speaker 1: children from the mother in baby homes. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: quote from the Irish Examiner here. The commission noted, and

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Speaker 1: this is an investigation later noted that Dr Hanley, who

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Speaker 1: did the vaccine tests, emphasized the importance of obtaining written

475
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 1: consent prior to treatment and provided a breakdown of the

476
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: number of consent forms returned to each school. No child

477
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: was immunized unless a written parental consent form was produced. However,

478
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: doctor Hanley made no mention of consent written or otherwise

479
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: in respect to institutional children. So again, like, why would

480
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 1: you give a ship? Obviously consent matters unless you're one

481
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: of these kids that the Catholic Church owns, then who cares.

482
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: It's good, it's great ship. It's pretty enough now. One

483
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: of the articles I found on this noted that in

484
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: the forties and fifties it was common across Europe and

485
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: the United States to use institutionalized children as guinea pigs

486
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: for vaccine trials. In the U. S. And Canada, this

487
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: often meant Indigenous children who had been separated by their

488
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: families forcibly to be de indianized. This is not the

489
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: story we're telling today, but it's worth mentioning that that happened.

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00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: We've talked about the residential schools before. This is a

491
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: thing that happens outside of Ireland. Two children who are

492
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: forcibly incarcerated in institutions with similar death tolls to these

493
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: homes in Ireland. Um and a lot of it. A

494
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: lot of times in the U. S. And Canada, it's

495
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: indigenous kids, um And yeah, it's it's interesting that because

496
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: of how fucked up this story is the part where

497
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: we're talking about using child slaves as medical guinea pigs

498
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: is the least dark part of the story. This is

499
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: the least body count of anything we're talking about, including

500
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: probably has bro um. But now it's time to go

501
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: back to the dead babies, specifically the mass graves of

502
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: dead babies now the most Thank God. I was wondering

503
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: if you invited me for a reason you. You texted

504
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: me the other day saying, Robert, my hands are shaking.

505
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 1: I haven't talked about mass graves of dead children in months?

506
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: What am I? What are we gotta? I gotta get

507
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: a fix, That's what I said. And I showed you

508
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: my dead baby track track marks, and I was like, yep,

509
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: I gotta get back in the game. I got the need,

510
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: the need for dead baby, the dead baby dragon. You

511
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta chase the dragon. The dragon is the

512
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: baby's corpse. Yeah. Now, the most infamous mass child grave

513
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: covered up by the Catholic Church in Ireland is probably

514
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: the one at St Mary's in the village of Twam,

515
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: which is colloquially known as the Home. This was a

516
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: child and mother home run by the bond Secour Nuns

517
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: from nineteen to nineteen sixty one in nineteen sixty one,

518
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: the home closed down and it's child inmates were sent

519
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: to nearby industrial schools. The bill then was bulldozed and

520
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: low wincome housing was put up on its site. In

521
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: two children were playing on the site the former site

522
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: of the home. They found several concrete slabs loosely covering

523
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: a hollow. Being young boys, they moved the slabs and

524
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: discovered a hole underneath it. They crawled inside and realized

525
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: to their horror that it was quote full of skeletons

526
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: of children. Oh my god, oh my god. Good ship

527
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: right there, Like the kind of thing where your mom's like, Okay,

528
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: can you not do this ship you've been doing? Can

529
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: you not go out? Can you not like go into

530
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: caves that you see a shamus? You go fucking around

531
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: in caves and you're gonna find dead babies. And then

532
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: you go in the cave and you find literal skeletons

533
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: of other children. That seems like your mom planted them

534
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: to just like drive her point home about what you

535
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: should not have been doing. That ship is so creepy. Yeah,

536
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: it might be one of those things were like as

537
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: a child, you decide to stop exploring after that, Like

538
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, no fucking ship you and immediately yeah,

539
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: I like computers. Now I don't know how to code.

540
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: I can't go outside anymore. It's full of skeletons. It's

541
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: full of dead children out there, and I cannot. These

542
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: boys find a hole full of baby skeletons and they

543
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: go home to tell their families. Now the church immediately

544
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: gets involved here and they do what they do best,

545
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: which is hushed things up. A priest does a mass

546
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: at the burial site, and the grave was covered again

547
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: more permanently. This time, there was no investigation into what

548
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: had happened or who was buried there. But the people

549
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: of Tuam didn't forget from the journal dot I quote.

550
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: A local couple began to take care of the small

551
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: patch of land, erecting a grotto in the corner and

552
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: maintaining it for thirty five years, trimming the grass and

553
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: planting flowers. Stories continued to spread about the bodies and

554
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: the institution that put them there. Similar story spread all

555
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: around Ireland, dipping into the cultural unconsciousness like tap roots

556
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: into soil. Now, in nineteen seventy six, the year after

557
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: these kids find this mass grave, a pair of journalists

558
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: from the Irish time start making inquiries about the still

559
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: ongoing programs like the industrial schools and the Magdalen laundries.

560
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: One of the journalists who started this investigation was inspired

561
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: to do so because her husband, a psychiatrist, had a

562
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: young female patient who became hysterical the moment and none

563
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: entered the ward. The psychiatrist was savvy enough to be like,

564
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: she starts screaming and freaking out the instant, and none

565
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: walks in. There might be something here. Perhaps I should

566
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: tell my journalist wife to look into this. I love that.

567
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: That's like, sadly, like our lowest like expectation of anyone

568
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: the bars solo or like, I don't know. Kudos to

569
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: he didn't he let it go. He didn't have to

570
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: be like. This probably should be looked into a little bit.

571
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: She's shrieking in agony at the sight of a nun.

572
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: This might might deserve an investigation. So so he starts

573
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: talking to um. He starts talking first before he goes

574
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: to his wife. He starts talking to this young woman

575
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: who's become hysterical at the side of a nun. Uh,

576
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 1: And he starts asking her like why, and she, in

577
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: his words, persistently described witnessing the savage, bloody beating of

578
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: a little girl at the orphanage she was sent to.

579
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: This girl eventually disappeared, and she believed the girl had

580
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: been killed and buried in a mass grave after being

581
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: beaten to death by the nuns. From the Irish Times

582
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: quote by chance, my friend Mavis, also a journalist, this

583
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: is the other journalist in this team, had a young

584
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: woman from the same place living with her, waiting for

585
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: the birth of a baby. At sixteen, Like all the girls,

586
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: she'd been sent away to work as a domestic, Utterly

587
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: ignorant of the world and vulnerable to mail predation. She

588
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: told Mavis about horrifying cruelty and deprivation at this institution,

589
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: by then closed, It was often described as one of

590
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: the good schools. Gradually we discovered the context that Ireland

591
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: had been infested with these places, all run by religious orders.

592
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: We learned that some still existed and that they operated

593
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: with state funding through the Department of Education under the

594
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: nineteen o eight Acts regulations. They were designed to protect, feed,

595
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: clothe and educate children in state care. So these two

596
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: journalists set out to investigate the scoop of what was

597
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: going on in these facilities, they made requests to the

598
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: Department of Education to find examples of children's diet plans

599
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: and punishments that had been recorded, because the nineteeno ed

600
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: Child Protected Law had mandated you have to if you're

601
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: running one of these facilities, you have to document what

602
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: you're feeding these kids, and you have to document how

603
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: you're punishing them, so we know if you're violating human rights.

604
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: Are not. Um, So they go to the Department of

605
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: Education and they go with these facilities they heard stories

606
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: from and say, what were these kids being fed? How

607
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: were they being punished? The documentation is legally required to exist,

608
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: and the Department of Education is like, oh, I'm sorry,

609
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: there's no available documentation, which m M as a journalist. MM.

610
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: So these journalists, who are great journalists, asked next for

611
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: records of children sent out to work from the age

612
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: of ten on. They were told that these reports did

613
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: not exist. They were asked by what process it was

614
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: decided that girls would be sent to labor in the

615
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: Magdalene laundries. They were told by a representative of the

616
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: Department of Education, Oh, we'd better not delve into that terrain.

617
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: So I also feel like, um, yeah, I mean, I

618
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 1: guess the Nazis kept kind of good records, but like,

619
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: well they did try to burn them all, but yeah, yeah,

620
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like overall, we shouldn't really expect

621
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: the perpetrator to have great like record of their crimes.

622
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes, but generally when they know ships about

623
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: to like hit the fan, they're like, better make sure

624
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: this doesn't exist. So it's kind of fun when people

625
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: just like turn to a bad people and they're like, hey,

626
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: could you give evidence of you being bad and they're

627
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: like no, sorry, somehow that evidence is gone. Yeah, It's

628
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: like well yeah, yeah yeah. So the government stonewalling forced

629
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: these women to dig and they uncovered a bunch of

630
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 1: horrifying ship including the fact that in nine thirty five

631
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: children had died in a fire at an industrial school

632
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: in Kavan Now. They found transcripts from an inquiry into

633
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: the fire that showed the government closing ranks to protect

634
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: the nuns over and over again. They found a quote

635
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: absence of accountability and casual law breaking at these facilities.

636
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: They got documentary evidence of the late Minister of Education,

637
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: Brian Lenihan, concurring with a referend mother's demand that a

638
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: girl will be illegally imprisoned in an institution. So again,

639
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: the government is entirely complicit in this. These reporters started

640
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: working on a book about their findings, and they were

641
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: heavily discouraged by basically everyone they knew. Here's a quote

642
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: from them describing the reaction they got. For most people.

643
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: It'll upset the good sisters. What's the point? Everything's different now?

644
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: So again it wasn't um Again, it was the eighties

645
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: when the Hasbro company was using these women's labor. So

646
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 1: their book was published in nineteen eighties. That's Simpson's quote

647
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: about the Germans were like, sure they've made some mistakes

648
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: sevens ex uh you know what else has racers? You know,

649
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: well we can't promise that, but yeah, probably these goods

650
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: and services don't need eracers. These goods and services, I

651
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: will say at least a seventy percent chance we're not

652
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: complicit and covering up crimes against humanity by them. That's

653
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: the behind the bastards guarantee garonte bah blah by them.

654
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: All right, products ah, we're back having a great time.

655
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: So these reporters published their book in nine It is

656
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: poorly reviewed, slammed by everyone is an unfair and unhinged

657
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: attack on the noble nuns and priests doing difficult work.

658
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: We of course, now know that every word of it

659
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: was true, and it's probably worth drawing a line between

660
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: how this book gets slammed by people and what happens

661
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: to Senat O'Connor when she tears up a picture of

662
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: the Pope on Saturday Night Live. Um, she's just universally

663
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: attacked by fucking everybody for being just an idiot, and like,

664
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: oh you're She's just a crazy woman who's being disrespectful

665
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: to this wonderful institution, these good holy men. And now

666
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: we know that every single pope who's ever been the

667
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: pope has been complicit, openly complicit in covering up the

668
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: mass rape and murder of children, every single one of them,

669
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,959
Speaker 1: not one excluded, and including the popes you like, fuck

670
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: them all. Um, suck the Pope is the is the

671
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: motto of the behind the Bastard show. Um that guy

672
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: in St. Petersburg who shot John Paul the Second not

673
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of things. That's my stance on

674
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: shooting John Paul the Second. Also, there is some sort

675
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: of wildly crazy mental gymnastics that you have to do

676
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 1: to like be like an incredibly rich and closed city

677
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 1: and incredibly rich like fabrics and all this fucking ship

678
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: when your whole thing is to be like humble and whatever,

679
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: but to every second of your day. I just, yeah,

680
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: the mental gymnastics you must do is a quote unquote

681
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: representative of God. To make that makes sense, is I'm like,

682
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: all right, some own fucking biles, I'm a humble servant

683
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: of the Lord who happens to live in his own

684
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: independent nations with billions of dollars in golden riches buried

685
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: secretly beneath it, guarded by Swiss mercenaries. What is the

686
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: problem with that? How does that? How does that not

687
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: say humble servant of God to you? For real? You

688
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: live the Swiss mercenaries. It's the Swiss mercenaries, isn't it.

689
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: You truly live in some ship that sounds like a

690
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: fairy tale And no point You're like, huh, is this

691
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: something I'm perpetuating that is precisely against what I pretend

692
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: God is. Maybe I should take a knee and fucking

693
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: renounce all this bullshit. Oh wait, now, okay, cool, I'll

694
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: just riding around in my weird bulletproof Pope mobile a

695
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 1: fun thing to do with the the high up leadership

696
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: of the Catholic Church. I'm not saying this about necessarily

697
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: every single priest, because they're there are definitely parishes and

698
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: stuff where there weren't molestation. And as we've talked about

699
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: in the episodes in the School of the America's, there

700
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: were heroic Catholic priests and nuns who fought against these

701
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: right wing death squads and acts of genocide in places

702
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: like Guatemala. And I don't mean that like I'm not

703
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: saying every single Catholic Church official um is complicit in this,

704
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: but everyone at the highest level leadership of the church

705
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: absolutely is. Everyone who is running the Vatican, every pope

706
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: knows about this ship and is complicit and covering up.

707
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: And every year we get more evidence of that. Every

708
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: high level Catholic official is a part of not just

709
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: this but the mass child molestation, every single one of them.

710
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 1: And if you start to come up with defenses for them,

711
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: replace the word Catholic Church with Nazi Germany and see

712
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: if those defenses sound like things that defenders of the

713
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: Wehrmacht say when they're trying to claim that there were

714
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: large chunks of the Nazis who weren't complicit in the genocide.

715
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: It's the same ship they ran the Catholic Church. They

716
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: were part of it. And also Catholics were part of Uh. Yeah,

717
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's a complete the actual Holocaust and

718
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: they were in genocide. That is part of World Wine two.

719
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: In fairness though, you have to there you have to

720
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: separate the Church in Rome from the Catholic Church, large

721
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: parts of the Chatholic Church in Germany who were a

722
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: big part of the resistance to Hitler, and in fact,

723
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: the three groups that Ryanhardt Hydrick, the architect of the Holocaust,

724
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: targeted in Germany were activist clerics, which were Catholic priests

725
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 1: that were anti Nazi. Uh, the Jews obviously in freemasons.

726
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: Um so I I don't want to like again in Germany. Yeah,

727
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: but yes, and with the Catholic the pope at that

728
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: point there's a bunch of fucked up ship. You can say, yes, um,

729
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: I just I never want to be the Catholic. The

730
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: part of the problem when you're trying to condemn the

731
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: Catholic church's inneviatively to people will be like, well, what

732
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: about this heroic priest who gave his life protecting It's like, yes,

733
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he helped cover up mass child rape.

734
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the popes. I'm talking about the bishops.

735
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the people in charge of talking about

736
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: the organization in the way conducted itself, and that is

737
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: equivalent to a lot of other organizations. We're not We

738
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: don't say every is really person, every person or whatever.

739
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: Just like when we talk about US war crimes. I'm

740
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: not saying that your uncle who was drafted at age

741
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: eighteen is responsible for the deployment of age and Orange

742
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: on the jungles of Vietnam. In a lot of ways,

743
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: he's a victim too, But like, yeah, it's it's the organization.

744
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: Everyone running the organization of the Catholic Church is complicit

745
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: in this um and that's cool and good Sophia, it's not.

746
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: I think it's incredibly devastating and I'm glad I started drinking. Yeah,

747
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: it's a good time to be drinking, just the whole year. UM.

748
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: So a big part of the reason why the horrors

749
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: of this system are now widely known has to do

750
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: with a single woman from the village of Tuam and

751
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: not to white, not to wash out those brave journalists

752
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: who did the important work of documenting this. But that

753
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: got kind of covered up in the eighties. Um tuamas

754
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: again where that child mass grave was uncovered? Uh. And

755
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: this woman's name is Katherine Cordless. She grew up hearing

756
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: the whispered stories about that mass grave which had been

757
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: so efficiently hushed up and covered up by the church.

758
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: She started to investigate in the early aughts. And I'm

759
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: gonna quote from the journal dot I E here. Cordless

760
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: works on her family farm. She didn't have an academic

761
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: institution behind her. Instead, she worked on it in her

762
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: spare time. On a rainy day, I'd really get down

763
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: to it and go to work in the library. She said.

764
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: She initially tried to contact the Bond Succors sisters at

765
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: their Cork headquarters and was told that they no longer

766
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: had files or information about the home. She tried the

767
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: Western Health Board, who told her there was no information available.

768
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: When she tried to access information from Galway County Council,

769
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: she says she was told that she wasn't allowed because

770
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: she didn't have a university degree. That's exactly what I

771
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: was told I couldn't look at the records, but the

772
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: council would let her look at the information about the

773
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: housing estate which had been built over the ruins of

774
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: the old home, and from this, from this information about

775
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: the housing estate, she was able to piece together data

776
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: about the original site. She eventually hit upon the idea

777
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: of going to the registry office in Galway to get

778
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: death certificates for every child who had perished at the home.

779
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: Her contact at the office called her a week later

780
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: and said, do you really want all these death certificates

781
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: because you're going to be charged for each of them,

782
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: and there's a funkload of them. Corless was charged four

783
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: euros for each death certificate she requested between two thousand eleven.

784
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: When she started requesting them in two thousand thirteen, she

785
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: came up with seven hundred and nineties six deaths. They

786
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: ranged from newborns to nine year old children. The death

787
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: certificates gave causes raging from malnutrition, neglect, measles, tuberculosis and pneumonia.

788
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: The number of deaths and the time the home was

789
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: operational mean that one child died there every fifteen days.

790
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: By overlaying a map of the site as it looks

791
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: today with plans for the old building. She realized that

792
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: the mass grave discovered in nineteen seventy five had been

793
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: built in the old location of the homes sewage tank.

794
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: So when they demolished the building, they stuck all the

795
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: corpses in the sewage tank. That's good, very respectful, life matters.

796
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: Catholic Church, famed advocates of the sanctity of human life

797
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: se literal ship pit you babies that we didn't feed.

798
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: It was the mass graves at Tuam that finally sparked

799
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: widespread public outrage over what the Church had been doing

800
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: in Ireland for decades. This is not to say that

801
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: the crimes of the residential school system were unknown prior

802
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: to that point. There were obviously a lot of stories

803
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: come in that book had been written. There were stories

804
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: of sexual abuse, there were stories of brutal's punishment that

805
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: had come out. Sneed O'Connor had done her thing um

806
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: and in two thousand one, which is like a decade

807
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: before she starts finding these death certificates, the Catholic Church

808
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: had agreed to put a hundred million euros into a

809
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: special state fund for victims of abuse. Now this was

810
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: not because they recognized they'd done bad and wanted to

811
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: make it right. This was because in two thousand one

812
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: they were finally starting to get evidence out about all

813
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: of the well documented rapes that Catholic priests had carried out.

814
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 1: And so as part of this agreement about dealing hushing

815
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: up the rapes, the church puts a hundred million into

816
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: a fund and they say, we're also saying this fund

817
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: is going to go to people who were abused in

818
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: our residential schools because they're going to start suing in

819
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: a few years UM. And in order to receive these funds,

820
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: they have to be barred from suing the church directly.

821
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: This is an agreement they make with the Irish government.

822
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: Is the Irish Government's like, you guys were raping a

823
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: lot of kids. You need to do something about this.

824
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: And they're like, okay, here's a hundred million. Also, people

825
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: are gonna try to sue us for the other horrible ship.

826
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: We did make sure that if they take money from

827
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: this fund, they agree to not sue us. That's fucking cool, right,

828
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: good ship Catholic Church. UM. Now, the part of the

829
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: legal requirements around the funds ensured that only victims of

830
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: sexual abuse and not physical abuse could receive funds. So

831
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: we talked earlier about one of the women whose story

832
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,479
Speaker 1: inspired those journals to start their investigation. Watched a little

833
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 1: girl get beaten to death by nuns. If that girl

834
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: had survived, she wouldn't have been she wouldn't have gotten

835
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: any money. She wouldn't have been because she didn't get raped.

836
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: Right again, good ship from the Catholic Church. Real nice

837
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: to be able to quantify abuse like that. Now. The

838
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: fact that they tried to lock all this down and

839
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: put the funding out in two thousand one was very

840
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: savvy of the church because of course they were well

841
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: aware that as the stories of mass child sex abuse

842
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: by priests had broken containment, so too with the whole

843
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: story of the industrial schools, the Magdalen laundries, and the

844
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: mother in baby homes. By making a deal in two

845
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: thousand one, they protected themselves from the fallout win In

846
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and thirteen, a comprehensive government report on the

847
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: horrors of the industrial school system was finally released. Two

848
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen is the year when the Irish President or whatever,

849
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: Indo Kinney apologized for the state's role in the horrors.

850
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Speaker 1: Church representatives also came out and expressed their horror at

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Speaker 1: how bad the things they've done were. A new government

852
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: scheme was announced to give out lump some payments from

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00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: eleven thousand, five hundred euro to one hundred thousand euro

854
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: based on a woman's length of stay in an institution.

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00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: This benefits package fell well short of what the two

856
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen report had recommended, and it also contained a

857
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Speaker 1: ton of caveats, enough that many victims of the system

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Speaker 1: did not qualify for funds. To date, only about twenty

859
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: nine eight million euro has been paid out to just

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Speaker 1: seven hundred and seventy applicants, most of whom got the

861
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: full hundred thousand euro. Because that's how many people were

862
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Speaker 1: profoundly abused by this system. Um, and the Catholic Church

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Speaker 1: is still let's look up, let's look up the expected

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00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: net worth of the Catholic Church that's all on this

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Speaker 1: journey together. Uh, how much? How much the Catholic Church?

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Speaker 1: I fucking numbers? Yeah, because we don't know because they've

867
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Speaker 1: hidden it all underground. Um. Banker's best guest of the

868
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Speaker 1: Vaticans wealth this is nineteen sixty five put it at

869
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: ten billion to fifteen billion. So that's nineteen sixty five.

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Speaker 1: Is the estimate is ten to fifteen billion ums, much

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Speaker 1: more than Yeah, here's a twist article. How rich is

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00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. It's impossible to stell. How much real

873
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: estate does the Catholic Church hold? What are its equity holdings?

874
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: We just don't fucking no. Welcome to the fucking imaginary

875
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: numbers game. Yeah, oh fuck, this is fun. In the

876
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties, Italian media uncovered evidence that the Vatican had

877
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: intested had invested in entities that conflict directly with the

878
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 1: Church's holy holy mission, including Instituto Pharma Logico Sarroono, a

879
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical company that made birth control pills, and You Die In,

880
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: a military weapons manufacturer. There have also been unconfirmed rumors

881
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: of Church money and firearms manufacturer and companies with activities

882
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: and gambling in pornography. It has been linked with dealings

883
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: with Nazi gold during World War Two as well. There

884
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Speaker 1: you go, fucking red baby. Uh you love to hear it.

885
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: Good ship. Yeah, but it's cool. They've Attican passed its

886
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: first law against money laundering and terrorist group funding in

887
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, so so they've been on this for

888
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: a long time. Honestly they care, this is important to them, etcetera, etcetera. Um,

889
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: hypocricy pays baby, Yeah it does, it does. Um. I

890
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: don't know this has been a profoundly anti Catholic article

891
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Speaker 1: or episode of my podcast. I ever start being against

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Speaker 1: like ship that is like profoundly immral. Will you just

893
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Speaker 1: like come to my house with or many knives and

894
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,479
Speaker 1: machetes and just fucking murder me? Yeah? Well you leave

895
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Speaker 1: a note that says that's what I wanted? Mm hmmm,

896
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Speaker 1: because like, holy fuck, yep, you know what isn't totally fuck?

897
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Speaker 1: Are these goods and services? Murder was sidepack related. It's

898
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900
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901
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904
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Speaker 1: it was buried in a mass grave along with seven

905
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Speaker 1: other babies. The opposite of a soft spot. My comedy

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Speaker 1: It's hard as fun, as hard as you should download

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Speaker 1: Miles Gray of The Daily Bugeys where we talked about

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Speaker 1: nine Fiance and Private Parts Unknown, where me and Courtney

913
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Speaker 1: talk about love and sexuality around the world and we

914
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: just want to believe. So yep, check it. Yeah, believes

915
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: a place where nothing bad was ever done by colonial powers. Yes,

916
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: that is true, and it is in no way completely

917
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: devastated by the lack of tourism because of COVID, because

918
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: in no way is their g d P from the

919
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: fforementioned tourism. I'm hey, hey everybody. Initially I was going

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00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: to plug the go fund made for the sequel to

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Speaker 1: my book Um After the Revolution, which you can find

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Speaker 1: at a t r book dot com. But um, here

923
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: in the Pacific Northwest, we're having an unprecedented heat wave

924
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: and it's causing disastrous conditions, life threatening conditions for a

925
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: lot of houseless people, a lot of people without air conditioning. UM,

926
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: particularly in the city of Salem. UM. I mean people,

927
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,959
Speaker 1: people activists everywhere have been kind of gathering to try

928
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 1: and um mitigate set up cooling stations, hand out cold drinks,

929
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: to do things to help people get their temperature down. UM.

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00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 1: I want to try and raise funds for the Free

931
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: Fridge of Salem, UM, which are doing cooling stations in

932
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: the capital of Oregon, Salem. So if you go to

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Speaker 1: venmo At Free Fridge Salem, that's venmo At Free Fridge

934
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: Salem and send them a couple of bucks, they could

935
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: really use it. Um. Local government has destroyed a number,

936
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: like police particularly have destroyed a number of water and

937
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: cooling stations they've set out. Um it's you know, we're

938
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Speaker 1: not going to be in triple digit heats for the

939
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: next couple of days after I'm recording this on Monday,

940
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: but it's still going to be very hot. People still

941
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: need this, So please venmo At Free Fridge Salem if

942
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Speaker 1: you have the wherewithal in the financial resources to do so.

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Speaker 1: One more time. The vinemo is at Free Fridge Salem.