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Speaker 1: Everybody happy Friday. How's every feeling happy Friday?

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Speaker 2: Happy Friday, Happy Friday?

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Speaker 3: Before the markets close, so we'll see what happened for

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Speaker 3: the market.

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Speaker 2: Market clothes difference.

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Speaker 4: Always monitor in this situation, he's just addicted to watching

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Speaker 4: the markets.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's actually a good thing, an important thing to watch,

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Speaker 5: since apparently we conduct all of our foreign policy and

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Speaker 5: wage war based on the schedule of the market and

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Speaker 5: what the bond yield is today. Literally, so I actually

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Speaker 5: do think we should pay close attention to that. We

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Speaker 5: can start with some of that, but just to give

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Speaker 5: people a preview, We've got a bunch of updates in

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Speaker 5: terms of the Iran war, new possibility of ten thousand

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Speaker 5: more ground troops that's being floated. Jasper Nathaniel's going to

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Speaker 5: join us to talk about the uptick in programs in

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Speaker 5: the West Bank, and you know what is going on there.

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Speaker 5: There's also a weird phenomenon that I want to get

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Speaker 5: his take on. Have you guys seen like Richie Torres

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Speaker 5: and Batchya and all these like very pro Israel people

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Speaker 5: apac coming out and being like this settler terrorism is

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Speaker 5: out of control.

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Speaker 1: So I'm curious what is going on behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: With that one as well.

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Speaker 5: And then we've got Abdul Zaia, who of course running

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Speaker 5: for the Senate in Michigan and facing a lot of

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Speaker 5: backlash and criticism over his choice to do a rally

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Speaker 5: with the very controversial Hassan Piker. So it's a good

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Speaker 5: week to speak with him as well.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, well, why don't we get to thank God for

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Speaker 3: the procrastinators out there. We've got a ten day extension from.

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Speaker 2: Trump, which we're excited about.

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Speaker 3: Here, Trump says, as per Iranian government requests, please let

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Speaker 3: this statement serve to represent that I am pausing the

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Speaker 3: period of energy planned destruction by ten days to Monday,

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Speaker 3: April six at a pm Eastern time. Talks are ongoing,

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Speaker 3: and despite erroneous statements to the contrary by the fake

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Speaker 3: news media and others, they're going very well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for brying attention to this matter. Ryan.

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Speaker 5: This is obviously extremely significant because the previous dead line

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Speaker 5: was due to expire today when markets closed. Everybody's watching

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Speaker 5: and waiting to see if there was going to be

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Speaker 5: and this is still I think a possibility if there's

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Speaker 5: going to be some sort of a ground invasion this weekend.

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Speaker 5: I don't think this announcement changes anything, but right, maybe

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Speaker 5: you could speak to what the Iranians are saying about,

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Speaker 5: you know, whether or not there's been some sort of

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Speaker 5: negotiation and whether you know they in fact were the

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Speaker 5: ones asking for this extension.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and the the Wall Street Journal actually last night

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Speaker 6: confirmed Jeremy's reporting. The Journal was sourcing it to mediator mediators,

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Speaker 6: sources in the mediation team, and Jeremy was sourcing it

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Speaker 6: to Iranian officials, so then they were basically saying the

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Speaker 6: same thing. And it's also been wild to just notice that, like,

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Speaker 6: if you've been following Jeremy's reporting, you're consistently getting accurate

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Speaker 6: information about what's going on here. If you're following like

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Speaker 6: the Axios New York Times stuff that gets put out

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Speaker 6: by the Israelis and the Americans, there's just actively lying,

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Speaker 6: lying to you constantly through you, for whatever strategic purposes

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Speaker 6: they have. But it seems like, for whatever reason, most

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Speaker 6: Western media just is not capable of we're not interested

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Speaker 6: in kind of sorting through that because it goes to

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Speaker 6: this like, well, this this anonymous person who's very powerful

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Speaker 6: we cough or whoever said it. Therefore US news, even

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Speaker 6: if it's not true, and and that kind of construction

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Speaker 6: has led to like just massive amounts of misinformation getting circulated.

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Speaker 6: So what we know now is that the Iranians, in

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Speaker 6: response to a collection of different ideas that were thrown

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Speaker 6: everybody's like like sending information from with cough and the

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Speaker 6: Americans over to the Iranians about what they're interested in.

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Speaker 6: So as Jeremy's ordering, the Iranians made a counter proposal.

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Speaker 6: It said, like, here are some base baseline things that

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Speaker 6: if we agree on, we'll do, you know, we can

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Speaker 6: move towards a ceasefire and then some long form discussion.

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Speaker 6: Wall Street Journal has something similar to that that and

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Speaker 6: the Journal and Jeremy both reported that the US did

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Speaker 6: where that's where we are now. And yeah, it's Trump.

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Speaker 6: I did people even remember Trump's five day thing? I

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Speaker 6: my assumption is that when Trump gives a long deadline,

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Speaker 6: I thought everyone just forgot about it. Yeah, correct, Hey,

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Speaker 6: remember you did that five day thing that's coming up.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, okay.

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Speaker 4: I think that was the correct approach because he's just

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Speaker 4: as he goes. He's freelancing. Speaking of five, he boomer

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Speaker 4: maxed out on The five last night, and did you

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Speaker 4: see the clips from this? He called into The Five

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Speaker 4: last night, told Dana Pirno how beautiful she was, said

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Speaker 4: that he was bragging about how he played the gay

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Speaker 4: national anthem. He got asked if the ayahtola was gay,

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Speaker 4: and he said that he did very well with gay voters.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, unreal. We're in the middle of a

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Speaker 4: war and that is how the president spent his well.

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Speaker 5: I have been reliably told that we should wage war

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Speaker 5: based on how LGBTQ friendly various regimes are. So if

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Speaker 5: this new Ayahtola is going to throw a Teyron pride parade,

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Speaker 5: we may be that may be the off ramp Emily

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Speaker 5: so information.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that's happening.

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Speaker 2: Family's probably right on that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I do want to I want to put up Grevin,

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Speaker 5: can you put up the bond market thing? And because

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Speaker 5: I do think this is genuinely extremely essentral I mean

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Speaker 5: not just in terms of this war, but when Trump

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Speaker 5: tacoed on the tariffs, when he has made other actions

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Speaker 5: in the financial markets, when he's you know, previously back

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Speaker 5: down from threats. It seems to always happen when the

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Speaker 5: bond market.

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Speaker 1: Begins, when the yields begin to go up. What does

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Speaker 1: that mean?

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Speaker 5: I mean, one of the things that it means most

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Speaker 5: obviously is just the borrowing costs of the United States

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Speaker 5: this point, and Trump seems to be very leery of

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Speaker 5: those rates ticking up too high. What I've heard from

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Speaker 5: analysts and Ryan Finance Broke can weigh in here, is

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Speaker 5: that like four point five percent is kind of a

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Speaker 5: And so so he sees these bond yields ticking up.

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Speaker 5: He also sees oil going up, he sees the stock

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Speaker 5: ten days. Actually, now what was really I think the

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Speaker 5: most significant thing that I saw is that the markets

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Speaker 1: You know, the previous.

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Speaker 5: Deadline of you know, we'll give you five days and

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Speaker 5: we're negotiating blah blah blah, which was obviously a blatant

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Speaker 5: there's apparently some negotiations going on. Oil came down into

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Speaker 5: the eighties, you know, the markets went back up.

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Speaker 1: This time.

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Speaker 5: He said that there was a little bit of a

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Speaker 5: So his ability to jawbone and market manipulate through two

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Speaker 5: me is extraordinarily significant because the whole central part of

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Speaker 5: the Iranian strategy is to cause global economic pain, and

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Speaker 5: that has been forestalled a bit by Trump's ability to

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Speaker 5: you know, bullshit his way to like market's not completely collapsing.

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Speaker 5: He seems to have run out of runway on that front.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't.

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Speaker 6: He can only go back to that well so many times,

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Speaker 6: and traders, I guess now are like, it's interesting because

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Speaker 6: if even if you're a trader and you think that

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Speaker 6: Trump is lying about talks, but you think that the

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Speaker 6: and therefore there'll be a search.

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Speaker 2: Then you jump in and you ride the wave. So

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Speaker 2: it's really meta.

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Speaker 6: Everyone has to kind of be on the same page

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Speaker 6: that this guy's full of it. Otherwise you just go

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Speaker 6: with the crowd like, Okay, this is fake, but like

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna take this two percent. Seems like now people

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Speaker 6: are like, okay, Trump says there's talks. I need more sources,

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Speaker 6: and so does everyone else because if I buy, I'm

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Speaker 6: now the idiot because everyone else is like, no, like

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Speaker 6: how many times are gonna lie about this?

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Speaker 2: Everyone else is going to sell.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, and the Iranians have said that this whole

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Speaker 6: like this this did not happen, there was This isn't

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Speaker 6: even a mischaracterization of a conversation, because there weren't even

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Speaker 2: There, making up these negotiations.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, this is just not happening and ships, so

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Speaker 6: sense like please give us seven days until you bomb

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Speaker 5: Yeah, or hey, you know, I see that you're running

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Speaker 5: to like restore and get it together. I mean, that's

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Speaker 5: just you know, the Iranians are in the pole position

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Speaker 5: strategic objectives. There's all sort of sorts of reporting we

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Speaker 5: guys need a break. It's cool, take ten days, come

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Speaker 5: back to us. You know, we'll send you some messages

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Speaker 5: so you can yeah right, yeah, co focus on Hesbela

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Speaker 5: and your like reign of terror in the West Bank

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Speaker 5: and the genocide you continue to commit in Gaza. Also,

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Speaker 5: we're gonna make sure to communicate with you some electronically

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Speaker 5: so you can come and target our leaders again and

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Speaker 5: mass murderers once again. Like none of this makes any sense,

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Speaker 5: but you know, I do think the market pieces really

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Speaker 5: basically Trump operates. I mean, the one thing he really

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Speaker 5: been very few instances emily where Trump hasn't been able

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Speaker 5: to like basically bulls bullshit his way out of a jam.

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Speaker 5: But oil is a physical commodity. There is a reality,

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Speaker 5: tangible thing behind it. And every day that the straight

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Speaker 5: another day when you know, some fifteen fifteen million barrels

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Speaker 1: They gave me a great gift.

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Speaker 5: I just hope Brian that the whoever was trying to

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Speaker 6: Does seem like one plausible path that Trump sees, not

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Speaker 6: of the those Iranian AI videos, they had a lego

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Speaker 6: that said victory.

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Speaker 2: So like they like they see that.

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Speaker 6: Trump is going to declare victory at some point, and

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Speaker 6: There was definitely melting too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, smoking, melting and on fire. It was not a

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Speaker 2: good scene back there. It relied the victory sign a

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Speaker 6: But that they they they clearly know or suspect that

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Speaker 2: They're not fools, Like they have patternognition.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, unlike us.

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Speaker 5: Apparently we really need to we really need a segment

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Speaker 3: It's the one time I'm pro AI, Like I do

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Speaker 2: To be a lot of value from it.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: So when I say options, I think it's important the

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Speaker 2: You talk about people who walk into a.

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Speaker 7: and that's a terrible tragedy. What happens when what's on

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Speaker 2: That's why the President is doing this.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's why we're doing it. Nuclear armed vests,

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's where we pulled that from.

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Speaker 5: And did you even think about what if they had

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Speaker 4: Christal, I think about nuclear sharks all of the time.

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Speaker 4: Actually that make them even more unpredictable, so and harder

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Speaker 5: All worried about if we're worried about undeclared nuclear arsenals

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Speaker 5: Even though there was dissatisfaction with the government, which there

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Speaker 5: You have made it abundantly clear to Iran that as

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Speaker 1: Be menaced by the US and by Israel.

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Speaker 5: So if that's yes, I do not want to see

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Speaker 3: So a few other war updates. The Pentagon is considering

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Speaker 2: Did you guys catch that.

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Speaker 4: I had one more desperate thought on the nuclear thing.

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Speaker 4: And that may be why jd. Vance went in that

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Speaker 4: a lot of reporting suggests that's what Trump. Uh, that's

440
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 4: what kind of nudged Trump partially towards action, as he

441
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 4: had been getting a lot of people in his ear

442
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 4: who wanted to go into Iran saying, look at this

443
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 4: successful in out the type of like military operation you

444
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 4: can boast about makes America look strong, et cetera. And

445
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 4: that's the type of thing he could say, we did it,

446
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 4: We're winding down. We just had a successful Delta Forest

447
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 4: recovery of enriched uranium underground. So I would keep an

448
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 4: eye on something like that too, Ran, What were.

449
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 5: I was just gonna ask Ryan a question I remember

450
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 5: early in the Warrior, were like, Iran should just put

451
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 5: like a suitcase in the desert that says nuclear material

452
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 5: and let so dental a Delta Forest operators go.

453
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: We got it, guys, you know, mission accomplished.

454
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 4: Make it look really cinematic, like glowing green.

455
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, some Erica Kirk sparklers go off when you pick

456
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 5: it up or whatever.

457
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 8: Yeah.

458
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 5: Anyway, I actually want to play out that scenario a

459
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 5: little bit.

460
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Speaker 4: Ryan.

461
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 5: If you let's say there is some you know, semi

462
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 5: performative you know, special operator stunt where they get something

463
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 5: that they can claim is nuclear material or whatever, and

464
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 5: they're like, we did it, you know, mission accomplished. Good

465
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 5: luck with the straightah, horror moves Europeans. You guys, figure

466
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 5: it out.

467
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: We got our own oil. We don't really need it.

468
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 4: Goodbye.

469
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Speaker 5: What would happen then, like, do you think that the

470
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 5: Iranians would take that as an opportunity to be like,

471
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 5: you're really a way to go, guys, good work, Let's

472
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 5: negoti an end to this and comes Toto or do

473
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 5: you I mean, how would that actually play out? Because

474
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 5: that seems to be part of the problem is even

475
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 5: if there was some performative, you know, operation that didn't

476
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 5: end in mass death, which it is very likely to,

477
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 5: and Trump was able to claim some sort of a victory,

478
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 5: it doesn't seem at all clear to me that that

479
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 5: comes close to ending the conflict.

480
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Speaker 6: It depends on what Trump is willing to do alongside that.

481
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 6: We don't know exactly what was in the kind of

482
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 6: semi formal response that the Iranians gave to the Americans yet,

483
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 6: hopefully we will over the next couple of days, but

484
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 6: we know in general kind of what they've been asking for.

485
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 6: They want permanent sanctions, relief, and they you know, they

486
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 6: want their sovereignty over Hormuz respected, and there's an enormous

487
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 6: amount of kind of Iranian capital that is frozen that

488
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 6: they want unfrozen. They've been telling their population that they're

489
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 6: demanding reparations and won't end the war until they get

490
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 6: reparations for the the girls school and all the other

491
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 6: assaults on civilian infrastructure. You can imagine a world where

492
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 6: the unfreezing, the unfreezing of that of that uh, those

493
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 6: those reserves counts as the reparation or.

494
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: Some sort of like sanctions relief or something like that.

495
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then what is what do the guarantees look

496
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 6: like for another attack? You know they have What Iran

497
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 6: keeps saying is that they don't trust guarantees anymore. The

498
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 6: guarantee that they want is that Israel and the United

499
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 6: States have felt so much pain that they don't want

500
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 6: to touch the stove again, that they've been so burned

501
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 6: that that they're not doing this again for twenty years.

502
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 6: And so they'd have to then calculate whether or not

503
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 6: they've kind of burned them enough. But I do think

504
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 6: it's possible, depending on what they agreed to, that if

505
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 6: the US declared victory left. You know, they also want

506
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 6: they also want the US bases dismantled, and they are

507
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 6: currently dismantled, like they'd have to, we'd have to remantle them,

508
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 6: rebuild those suckers, and maybe you know, and Iran would

509
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 6: have a say in that. You know, if like you

510
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 6: rebuild these, we'll start shooting at you again. So you

511
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 6: can imagine a world where they do a great but

512
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 6: that's it's a humiliating set of concessions, Like the US

513
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 6: will have gone into war with a certain amount of treasure,

514
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 6: a certain amount of weapon stocks, bases intact all across

515
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 6: the region, uh and Iran sanction and then we'll be

516
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 6: leaving the war with Iran unsanctioned, with our bases, you know, completely.

517
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 2: Torched, and control a lot of our industrial.

518
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 6: Base, you know, military industrial base spent such that we're

519
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 6: like stealing NATO's weapons and shipping them to the region

520
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 6: with all of the intelligence saying that you know, China

521
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 6: plans to absorb Taiwan, and like what twenty seven twenty eight,

522
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 6: whatever it is I saw.

523
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 4: I wish I could give the person credit, but I

524
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: saw a good post on Excast night. Someone said TSMC

525
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 4: is the straight up her moves of China.

526
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, except we actually I think more harmed potentially by yeah,

527
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 5: oh my god, you know, the loss of TSMC.

528
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 4: It's a matter of keeping the lights on, like infrastation.

529
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 5: Because we we do you know, we are a net

530
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 5: energy ex border, like we do have some some buffer

531
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 5: on that front, but the rest of the world does not,

532
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 5: frankly enjoy outside of like Russian to some extent, actually China.

533
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 5: But yeah, on the the chips, I mean, we've completely

534
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 5: we've completely fumbled on that. And you know, with regardless

535
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 5: strad of harmons is. Obviously it's not just oil. It's

536
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 5: we've talked about fertilizer, helium, there's you know, food, There's

537
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: all sorts of ways that this gets screwed up. And

538
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 5: you know, I think we all have a pretty good

539
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 5: understanding of the way these things compound, given the experience

540
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 5: with the combination of the Ukraine War and COVID, so,

541
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 5: you know, the it seems like the market reality may

542
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,959
Speaker 5: be starting to set in that even if Trump wants

543
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 5: a taco, there is not a taco available to him

544
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 5: at the moment. And you know, I guess all the

545
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 5: traders have started to realize that they all believe that

546
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 5: this is not going to be possible, and that the

547
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 5: physical realities are going to set in. You know, I

548
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 5: saw I was just looking at the markets, you know

549
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 5: there you still look, you know, everything's down this morning

550
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 5: except oil, which is up.

551
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: You've got you.

552
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 5: Know, the Brent is at one ten and you've got

553
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 5: the wt I at ninety six eighty, so almost even

554
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 5: one hundred dollars a barrel for that, which is the

555
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 5: you know, the domestic product. So in any case, it's uh,

556
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 5: not good as we head in tier to the weekend.

557
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 5: I guess lastly, guys, before we move on, we could

558
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 5: talk a little bit about TSA before we move on

559
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 5: to to get Jasper Nathaniel in here. But uh, there

560
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 5: seemed to be it seemed almost certain that there was

561
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 5: going to be some sort of a ground invasion this weekend.

562
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 5: And Griffin I mentioned, now we've got like, oh, we're

563
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 5: gonna maybe bring in ten thousand war troops. There's already

564
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 5: been troops that have been brought into the region, is marines,

565
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 5: the you know, the paratroopers. But do you guys think

566
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 5: that Trump's new deadline changes any of that strategy. I

567
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 5: also saw they had huge storms in the region at

568
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 5: least like yesterday. That could be a factor in terms

569
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 5: of any sort of significant military action.

570
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: What are you guys feelings.

571
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 5: About the It's also the weather. Have you seen this, Yeah,

572
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 5: that's what I was just mentioning. Yeah, the weather is

573
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 5: really bad there right now, So.

574
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 6: I think that kind of shuts it down. They were

575
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 6: even talking about tornadoes like.

576
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: Very unusual for that region.

577
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 6: I think I think one other possible to throw up

578
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 6: before if Jasper's not here yet, is this at dropsight.

579
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 6: We reported on these efforts by China to get Guadar,

580
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 6: which is here. Let me let me put it up

581
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 6: just so people can see what we're talking about. So

582
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 6: right here, you know, So here's a Pakistan around border

583
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 6: right here. If you see, if you look at Gwadar

584
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 6: right here, it's right at the mouth of the the

585
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 6: gulf that then heads into kind of this the Strait

586
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 6: of Hormuz, and China has desperately wanted this port of

587
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 6: Gwadar like and and we are fueling a insurgency kind

588
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 6: of in the Balok region of Pakistan. Here in the south.

589
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 6: There's some blow population over in Iran. We were hoping

590
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 6: that we'd be able to fuel some cross border violence.

591
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 6: We haven't been able to do that. So maybe we

592
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 6: maybe we just try to like seize with with the pakistanis,

593
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 6: say like we're taking Guadar and China you're like you're

594
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 6: out of there, and that's the wind because that because

595
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 6: that because that gives us some then ability ability to

596
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 6: project power back towards Hormuz. Yeah, I've heard some people

597
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,239
Speaker 6: kicking that around. It doesn't really make any sense, but

598
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 6: like they need something.

599
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 5: I listened to an interview with Trita and John Meerscheimer

600
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 5: this morning, and Trita was floating that there's a few

601
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 5: islands that are like contested between Iran and UAE and

602
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 5: that maybe that and that was one of the things

603
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 5: that was floated in that Axios report. Maybe the idea is,

604
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 5: like to take those islands for UAE because the other

605
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 5: golf countries agree with you know, UAE's assessment that these

606
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 5: rightfully belong to them, and so it would like make

607
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 5: your golf allies happy claim some sort of win. Again,

608
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 5: it's in sort of a strategic position. It doesn't really

609
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: change anything in terms of your ability to reopen the

610
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 5: Straight of Hormuz and do what you want with it.

611
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 5: But perhaps that's like the win that they could claim.

612
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 5: I don't know, it seems kind of far fetched to

613
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 5: me that any of this is going to really be convincing.

614
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 6: Auran said, if they try that, they're going to just

615
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 6: flatten Dubai like that they don't make make Like what

616
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 6: they've been doing to it so far looks like pinpricks.

617
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 5: So Rian, have you seen these threats also of like

618
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 5: the Iranians saying maybe they'll change the borders in the region,

619
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 5: threatening to basically like annex Uae and Bahrain.

620
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, and uh yeah, they're feeling good in that sense,

621
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 6: like that's I don't suspect that they're actually going to

622
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 6: do that, but that's that's the that's the point that

623
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 6: they're at. And like, but you know, Bahrain has a

624
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 6: pretty pro Iranian population. Yeah, Dubai is like it never

625
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 6: I never quite understood why Dubai felt so comfortable and

626
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 6: confident in in all of its saber rattling against against Iran,

627
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 6: Like it's like, are you are you insane? Like just

628
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 6: just for people, just to remind people to put this

629
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 6: back up, like does anybody have a map? Like when

630
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 6: they do this, like look at Dubai and look at

631
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 6: Iran like you're like, you think you're gonna like bully

632
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 6: this like gigantic mountainous country that's just like just across

633
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 6: the straight here.

634
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: And then yeah, here's Bahrain right over here.

635
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 6: It's like the level of overconfidence here that they could

636
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 6: just do this with impunity, I guess reflected a real

637
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 6: confidence in the invincibility of the US security ship umbrella.

638
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean I think they were really

639
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 4: confident that they were on in government would totally collapse.

640
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know.

641
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 5: I mean, but I mean they have to realize you

642
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 5: would think there would be some reckoning with reality. And

643
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 5: these are these family monarchies that we prop up. I

644
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 5: was just looking it up to make sure my numbers

645
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 5: were cracked. The entire Emorti population, like the citizen population

646
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 5: is about a million people. Okay, they make up in

647
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 5: their own country. They make up about ten percent of

648
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 5: the population. It's overwhelmingly either like rich foreigners or this

649
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 5: indentured servant labor force from around the region. And so yeah,

650
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 5: I mean, you're not really in a position to you

651
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 5: don't have a strong hand to play here. And obviously

652
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 5: their whole brand and economic model is built on the

653
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: idea the mirage that is completely safe and you know,

654
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 5: you can park your capital here, and you can have

655
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Speaker 5: your luxury vacation here, and like that's their whole thing.

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Speaker 5: And already that's basically shattered and potentially irreparably.

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Speaker 4: So we do breaking news. By the way, let me

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Speaker 4: put this on the screen, Chuck Schumer as we're recording

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Speaker 4: this just announced. It looks like they do indeed have

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Speaker 4: a deal.

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Speaker 8: He says.

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Speaker 4: Quote after weeks of negotiations, Republicans caved to our demands

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Speaker 4: to fund DHS without a blank check for ice and CBP.

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Speaker 4: His full statement says, in the wake of the murders

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Speaker 4: of Renee Good and Alex Partty, Senate Democrats were clear,

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Speaker 4: no blank check for a lawless ice and border patrol.

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Speaker 4: He goes on to say, I'm very proud of our

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Speaker 4: Democratic caucus. Through it all, Senate Democrats stood united, no

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Speaker 4: way for no backing down. We held the line just

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Speaker 4: to I don't know if clarification is the right word

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Speaker 4: on this, but basically Democrats are getting nothing because I mean,

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Speaker 4: they're in the minority, so they got their public stand.

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Speaker 4: But what Republicans are now do doing is threatening to

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Speaker 4: fund ice like in perpetuity, not quite perpetuity, but like

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Speaker 4: at an even higher level in the reconciliation package that's

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Speaker 4: going to come up. So moral victory perhaps for Democrats

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Speaker 4: who managed to keep the government shut down for a

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Speaker 4: long time and make the stand as truck Schimer invokes

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Speaker 4: Alex Pratty and Renee Good literally in the first paragraph.

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Speaker 4: But make no mistake, Republicans are now going to put

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Speaker 4: a lot of funding in the reconciliation package that's coming up. Also,

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Speaker 4: not a huge win for Republicans either, who are in

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Speaker 4: the majority and weren't able to keep their own priority.

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Speaker 2: You put that statement back up.

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Speaker 6: There's an exquisitely democratic lot there at the bottom of it.

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Speaker 2: And this.

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Speaker 6: To the to this belongs to this victory belongs to workers. Really,

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Speaker 6: the TSA workers did an illegal wildcat you know, sick out.

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Speaker 6: They all called in sick at once, kind of in

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Speaker 6: a semi organized fashion and really put pressure on on

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Speaker 6: both parties here. But the line at the bottom here

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Speaker 6: they say, where's the line about the militia. We held

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Speaker 6: firm in our opposition to Donald Trump's rogue and deadly

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Speaker 6: militia should not get more funding without serious reforms, so

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Speaker 6: he has it. So Donald Trump has a rogue and

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Speaker 6: deadly militia.

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Speaker 3: And they were not giving him money yet, And the

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Speaker 3: Democrats want to reform it, just just just a few reforms.

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Speaker 1: Rogue deadly militia just had better training, right.

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Speaker 2: On your rogue and deadly mine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so at least the line should go back to normal.

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Speaker 4: I saw a house speaker, Mike Johnson at an event

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Speaker 4: last night talking about the Olden Age like he invented

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Speaker 4: some new award or something. He was at some event

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Speaker 4: where there was a new word being given on It's

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Speaker 4: like these.

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Speaker 1: Boomers and their freaking awards.

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Speaker 4: Man, Well he's not even a boomer, I think.

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Speaker 5: But he knows who he's what audience he's playing to.

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Speaker 4: But just to take a glimpse at the political instincts

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Speaker 4: of Republican leadership right now, to be talking about the

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Speaker 4: Golden Age when you have lines for TSA that are

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Speaker 4: during spring break in easter five hours long at major airports,

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Speaker 4: that is a new level of stupid. I mean even

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Speaker 4: for them, it's atrocious.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and gas probably hitting is it at four dollars average?

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Speaker 5: Yet this morning we can take a look at Triple A. Ryan,

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Speaker 5: real quick, if you can update us on the what

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Speaker 5: happened with the since we're talking about democratic incombinance and cowardice,

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Speaker 5: what happened with the war Powers resolution and what the

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Speaker 5: latest is there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like they're gonna punt until mid April.

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Speaker 6: And so the the reason that we're even discussing a

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Speaker 6: warp Power resolution is that Josh Gotdheimer and the kind

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Speaker 6: of pro war tiny faction put forward a counter war

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Speaker 6: powers resolution to Rocana and Masses in the beginning because

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Speaker 6: they were saying, you know, this is a very common

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Speaker 6: tactic up on Capitol Hill where something is getting momentum

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Speaker 6: that has actual substance, and people who are trying to

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Speaker 6: derail it will try to create some weaker vehicle that

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Speaker 6: people can then glom onto that doesn't do anything but

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Speaker 6: still captures the kind of public anger. So they put

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Speaker 6: out this war Powers resolution that said, oh, the war

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Speaker 6: has to end, you know, within thirty days or something,

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Speaker 6: and Connum Masks were like, no, we're talking about two day.

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Speaker 6: So they didn't end up voting on Gotdheimer's. But once

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Speaker 6: they were done with Conna and Massy's, Godheimer's was sitting there,

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Speaker 6: and so then there was pressure put as the as

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Speaker 6: the I think it was March thirty first or something,

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Speaker 6: it's a deadline for when this resolution says the war

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Speaker 6: should end. They said, well, let's vote on this one.

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Speaker 6: And so then they agreed, Okay, fine, you know, because

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Speaker 6: they had introduced it and they're they're kind of stuck

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Speaker 6: because like this is yours, How are you going to

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Speaker 6: be against your thing? They forgot that time moves forward

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Speaker 6: and that eventually they'd be in. They'd be stuck, and

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Speaker 6: so you know, uh, they lost what three Democrats, three

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Speaker 6: or four Democrats on the last one, and if those

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Speaker 6: had all flipped, they would have they would have won.

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Speaker 6: Since then, MASSI is still a yes. I talked to

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Speaker 6: Warren Davidson yesterday. He said he's he's still a yes.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And I actually reached out to Nancy Mace, who had

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Speaker 6: said that she was she was for it, and Democrats

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Speaker 6: were saying, well, we don't trust Nancy Mace. You know,

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Speaker 6: she talks a big game, but then she doesn't actually

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Speaker 6: vote the way she's she's talking. May said that Mace

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Speaker 6: told me that she had not heard from Democrats. So

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Speaker 6: if Democrats are actually concerned, like they could actually reach

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Speaker 6: out to her. Now Massey has been in contact with her.

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Speaker 6: I've been told so whether or not she's gonna actually

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Speaker 6: how she would vote, Okay, we don't know. There happens

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Speaker 6: to be a mechanism where you can determine how somebody

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Speaker 6: will vote on something and you go to the house

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Speaker 6: following there was this maybe I don't know if I

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Speaker 6: can find it quick enough.

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Speaker 2: Are you have to get to jazzper in a second?

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Speaker 6: Our intern okay, yeah, Liliana Franks, our Capitol Hill intern,

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Speaker 6: got Greg Meeks in the hallway twice and said, you know,

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Speaker 6: why are you why are you gonna punt this until

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Speaker 6: April looks like she has the votes and and he says, well,

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Speaker 6: you go talk to these Republicans. Go go talk to them,

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Speaker 6: and you come back and tell me if they're going

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Speaker 6: to vote for it. And so she's like, well, Mace

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Speaker 6: David sent a MESSI like they all say they're going

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Speaker 6: to vote for it. He's like, a whatever, Go go

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Speaker 6: ask him again, Go ask him again. They just don't

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Speaker 6: want to vote until the war's over.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they know.

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Speaker 6: Their argument is we want to win and we're not

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Speaker 6: sure that we have the votes yet, and we want

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Speaker 6: to be sure so people can decide for themselves how

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Speaker 6: credible they think that is and what why they think

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden mid April they're going to have

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Speaker 6: the votes, Like what if you haven't even talked to

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Speaker 6: Mace yet, Like what, yeah, what do you what are

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Speaker 6: you doing between now in mid.

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Speaker 1: April to secure anyone's votes?

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Speaker 2: Things? Yeah, what are you doing? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Musk's his interest, Jared Musk was he was the one

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Speaker 6: of the first opponents of this, and they came around

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Speaker 6: to it, and then he announced on Wednesday that his

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Speaker 6: wife was having routine surgery and he wasn't going to

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Speaker 6: be in Washington again until like mid April.

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Speaker 5: M It's like, hm, hmmm, well he has a primary challenger,

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Speaker 5: so he maybe feeling the heat shouting to Oliver Larkin.

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Speaker 6: Indeed, all right, sure, it looks like it's not going

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Speaker 6: to happen unless there's like a furious pressure today, it's

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Speaker 6: like it's not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, on that note, let's get to Jasper Nathaniel,

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Speaker 3: who's going to give us some updates on the West

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Speaker 3: Bank Jazz.

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Speaker 2: How's it going? Hey?

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Speaker 5: Good jazz resources independent journalists and author of the Infinite

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Speaker 5: Jazz sub stack and great friend of the show and

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Speaker 5: great friend of drop site. Great to see you, Jazzer,

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Speaker 5: you too, So just start by giving us a little

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Speaker 5: bit of an update. Obviously, there's ongoing terror campaigns from

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Speaker 5: settlers back by the Israeli government in the West Bank,

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Speaker 5: but there's been a recent spike in violence.

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Speaker 9: What is the latest, Well, the latest is that the

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Speaker 9: settlers are doing what they're being told by their government.

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Speaker 2: Basically.

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Speaker 10: You know that this spike in settler violence, it started

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Speaker 10: years ago. It started actually before October seventh, when this

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Speaker 10: new government came in and had all these settlers like

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Speaker 10: Smotrich and Ben Givier in these leadership positions who immediately

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Speaker 10: empowered the settlers. Then after October seventh they started using

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Speaker 10: you know, security justifications and started arming and deploying settlers

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Speaker 10: as sort of like what they called a regional defense battalions.

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Speaker 10: I would say the latest surge comes with the start

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Speaker 10: of the new war in Iran, where I mean, it's

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Speaker 10: hard to say if the settlers feel that people are

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Speaker 10: not watching them. I think it's more just a sort

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Speaker 10: of like gingoistic feeling of you know, israelis fighting, so

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Speaker 10: we're gonna do some more fighting now. But the very

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Speaker 10: latest explosion in violence in just the last week actually

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Speaker 10: came after a young settler, an eighteen year old settler,

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Speaker 10: was killed in some sort of a car accident or

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Speaker 10: potentially a car ramming attack. And so, but I think

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Speaker 10: the details of what happened here are really important because basically,

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Speaker 10: these two young settlers set out from an outpost to

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Speaker 10: go on what they call a land patrol. Now, to

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Speaker 10: understand what a land patrol is first helps to understand

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Speaker 10: what is this outpost. So if you go to the

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Speaker 10: outpost's crowdfunding page where they raise money, including from the

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Speaker 10: family of the boy who the young man who was killed,

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Speaker 10: it says explicitly they are there to be the spearhead

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Speaker 10: of activities that are meant to expel Palestinians from the

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Speaker 10: land and spread Jewish presence across the West Bank. And so,

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Speaker 10: you know, the settlers don't hide the fact that when

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Speaker 10: they build these outposts it is for the explicit goal

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Speaker 10: of expelling Palestinians and you know, just creating Jewish territory.

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Speaker 10: At the funeral of the young man who was killed,

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Speaker 10: a friend of his said the same thing.

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Speaker 2: He said.

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Speaker 10: You know, Yehuda was on a strategic mission, one of

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Speaker 10: the most important missions for Israel, to expel Palestinians from

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Speaker 10: the land. And when you listen to the settler leaders

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Speaker 10: when they talk about what these land patrols are for,

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Speaker 10: it is again it's not to you know, maintain stability

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Speaker 10: or keep the peace. They say, we are out there

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Speaker 10: trying to generate friction. In other words, they are trying

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Speaker 10: to incite a response from the Palestinians that they will

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Speaker 10: then use to justify a sort of massive show of force.

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Speaker 10: And so this young man was killed on Saturday. It's

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Speaker 10: unclear to be fair. I mean, I've looked at all

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Speaker 10: the evidence and it's just impossible to say right now

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Speaker 10: if it was in fact an accident or if it

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Speaker 10: was a raming attack. But even if we assume that

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Speaker 10: it was a raming attack, that is what the settlers

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Speaker 10: are out there agitating for, is to be attacked in

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Speaker 10: some way to then justify exactly what happened after, which

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Speaker 10: was that the settler leaders all came out and started

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Speaker 10: explicitly calling for revenge for the murder of Yehuda, the

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Speaker 10: one who his own father at his funeral called him

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Speaker 10: a sacrifice for the settlement movement. So now they all

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Speaker 10: go and call for revenge. Smotrich actually goes up at

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Speaker 10: the funeral and he says, specifically, we will now settle

871
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 10: all of Juday and Samaria. We are going to erase

872
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 10: the letters of the Oslo Accords as an areas, A,

873
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 10: B and C. And then what follows is the settlers

874
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 10: go and follow that command. They go out and they

875
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 10: start creating new outposts, they go into areas A, B

876
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 10: and C. And in doing this they're attacking Palestinians. Just yesterday,

877
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 10: settlers who were setting up a new outpost shot and

878
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 10: killed a Palestinian. And so, you know, there's this sort

879
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 10: of line that people say, which is like the Israeli

880
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 10: government is enabling this violence or they're not cracking down

881
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 10: on the violence. But that is actually really understating it,

882
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 10: because they are directly coordinating it, they are funding it,

883
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 10: they are arming it, and ultimately like it is a

884
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 10: state project. And so the settlers, you know, sometimes they're

885
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 10: auctions become two grotesque for even sort of israel supporters

886
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 10: to defend, and they come out and they condemn it.

887
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 10: But then the next day quietly below the headlines. Israel

888
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 10: is sending money to these illegal outposts, it is retroactively

889
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 10: legalizing them. So to answer your question, Crystal in a

890
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 10: more succinct way, what we're seeing is an explosion in

891
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 10: settler violence, exactly as the settlement movement is designed and

892
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 10: planned at the highest levels of the Israeli government.

893
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 6: And you mentioned the alphabet and the Oslo of course,

894
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 6: wanted to put this up really quickly description here. In

895
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 6: the past twenty four hours, you know, five new settlement

896
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 6: outposts were erected, three in Area A, one in Area B,

897
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 6: one in Area C, deliberate placement where once the Oslo

898
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 6: Cords drew lines no more. And so the message is

899
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 6: delivered plainly. The National Court of Justice has spoken, the

900
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 6: finding is clear, Israel's presence is unlawful. The response is clear,

901
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 6: still it will not be complied with, It will not

902
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 6: be enforced. So what are these like? What these settlements

903
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 6: look like? You know, what can you and heer it?

904
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 6: Maybe I can like and maybe I can put this

905
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 6: up while you're talking, but like, can you explain to

906
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 6: people what this area A, B, and C are and

907
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 6: why it's significant that they're planning to wipe.

908
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 4: It out and maybe Jasper also like what it looks

909
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 4: like if you're what it physically is like for people

910
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 4: going between.

911
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 10: And yeah, so Area AB and seats from the Oslo

912
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 10: Accords or the Oslo two Accords actually in the mid

913
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 10: early and mid nineties, and the idea was was the

914
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 10: West Bank remained Palestinian land under a Israeli military occupation,

915
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 10: so it was not transferring ownership of the land into

916
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 10: Israeli hands. What it was doing was dividing up the

917
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 10: West Bank in terms of who would administer and govern

918
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 10: different parts of it. And so Area A remained entirely

919
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 10: in the hands of the Palestinian Authority, which means that

920
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 10: the PA ostensibly has control over things like you know,

921
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 10: basic municipal functions like you know, waste management and you know,

922
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 10: paying the paying the salaries of public school teachers and

923
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 10: things like that, but also security as well. So Area

924
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 10: A traditionally has been off limits for Israeli settlers. Area

925
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 10: B is sort of a split. It's technically the administrative

926
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 10: function is is the Palestinian Authority. Security is a combination

927
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 10: of the IDF and the PA, and then Area CE

928
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 10: is entirely under Israeli control, even though there are lots

929
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 10: of Palestinians who live in Area See now for a

930
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 10: long time, these illegal outposts, which is basically when settlers

931
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 10: answer your question, Emily, it's when settlers peel off from

932
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 10: a settlement, they go into Palestinian land where there they

933
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 10: are not supposed to be, and they basically, you know,

934
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 10: planting is really flagged, put up a tent, you know,

935
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 10: bring in like a couple of containers, and if if

936
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 10: all goes to plan for them, it basically metastasizes and

937
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 10: it grows and more settlers move in and then eventually,

938
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 10: you know, they get they start getting money from the state,

939
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 10: and the idea would be that at some point the

940
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 10: state actually retroactively recognizes it as a legal formal settlement.

941
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 10: And so you know, that's important because the message to

942
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 10: these these settlers who are breaking Israeli law by going

943
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 10: out and creating outposts is if you stick it out

944
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 10: for long enough, we will authorize you and turn you

945
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 10: into a real settlement and you'll start getting money and

946
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 10: funds and you know, construction paid for by the state

947
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 10: and armed and so the project of expelling Palestinians from

948
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 10: Area See and turning it into into all Jewish Land

949
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 10: has been remarkably successful in the last couple of years basically,

950
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 10: and so what you're seeing now is the settlers are

951
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 10: setting their sites higher, and they're going into areas B

952
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 10: and even more notably into Area A, where traditionally they

953
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 10: did not go at all. And again, you know, this

954
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 10: is explicitly what the highest members of the government have

955
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 10: been calling for them to do. It is and it's

956
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 10: also not just what they've been calling for them to do.

957
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 10: In February, you may or remember, there were these cabinet

958
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,840
Speaker 10: decisions that said that these really military is now allowed

959
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 10: to go into areas A and B for things like

960
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 10: you know, environmental protection and you know, protecting heritage. So

961
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 10: they have already created all these sort of formal pretenses

962
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 10: for the military to be able to go into areas

963
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 10: A and B. And now the settlers are following suit,

964
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 10: and they are fulfilling the plan of the of the

965
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 10: Smotritches of the world of just erasing the Osla lines

966
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 10: and taking over the entire West Bank.

967
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: To that point, Jasper, the IDF chief, warned about some

968
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 3: of the thing to talk about here that the IDF

969
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: is on the verge of collapse. After nine hundred.

970
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: Straight days, of course, because reserves.

971
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 3: Are being sent to Gaza, Lebanon, Syria West Bank and

972
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: there's no ultra orthodox conscription laws that have been passed.

973
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 3: But also the cabinet has approved, like you said, legalization

974
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: of dozens of more outposts and farms in the West Bank,

975
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 3: requiring additional troops to protect them, as well as Jewish national.

976
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: Terrorism is surging there.

977
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 3: So it seems like these West Bank expansions have been,

978
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: you know, draining what little.

979
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: Reserves they have left.

980
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, I think you know, your audience probably

981
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 10: knows that a lot of people basically attribute the the

982
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 10: ability of Hamas and other Pealstinian militants to so easily

983
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 10: break through the border with Gaza on October seventh. They

984
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 10: attribute that to the fact that so much of the

985
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 10: IDF was in the West Bank protecting settlements. And it

986
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 10: should be said that the military, the IDEF is actually

987
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 10: obligated to protect settlers wherever they go in the West Bank,

988
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 10: and so you know, it to be to be fair

989
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 10: to the IDF. I mean, there are I have I

990
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 10: have encountered foot soldiers there, not necessarily like commanders, but

991
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 10: I've encountered people on the ground who basically at least

992
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 10: they seem like they can't stand the settlers because they

993
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 10: are causing problems for them. They're constantly going into Palestinian

994
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 10: villages and then it's just a hassle for the soldiers

995
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 10: to have to go and defend them. And it's not

996
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 10: to say that, you know, this is because they're benevolent

997
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 10: and they care about the Palestinians, but like it's a

998
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 10: pain in the ass for them. They're causing them problems.

999
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 10: But what's happening now with the military is that, you know,

1000
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 10: the higher levels of the military, what's called the Central Command,

1001
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 10: which oversees the West Bank, is now becoming more ideologically

1002
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 10: aligned with the settler movement, and so there is much

1003
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 10: less resistance to go and you know, defend these settlers

1004
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 10: when they go off on these little excursions to create

1005
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 10: outposts across areas A.

1006
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: B and C.

1007
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 10: You know, in the case of.

1008
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 2: The who who was.

1009
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 10: That Griffin who said that? Was that Zamir or was

1010
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 10: that Avi Bluth?

1011
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 3: Let me let me try to look into that while

1012
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 3: you talk. I guess the chief of staff.

1013
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, I think that was Zamir. I mean, he

1014
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 10: has sort of taken a position of you know, being

1015
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 10: he's one of these guys that comes down and condemns

1016
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 10: the settler final Zamir and yeah, and that is, you know,

1017
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 10: like the politically expedient thing to do, both on the

1018
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 10: national and the international or mostly on the international level,

1019
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 10: because people don't like, in general to see these videos

1020
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 10: of these sort of feral masked settlers, you know, beating

1021
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 10: innocent Palestinians. He takes this position that it's a.

1022
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 6: Preim and her jasper is that a lot of these

1023
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 6: kids are coming out of the foster care program and

1024
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 6: kind of being groomed into just then becoming violent. These

1025
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 6: what did you discover while you're over there about these

1026
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 6: kids like so often looks like fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year

1027
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 6: old just angry adolescent, like lunatic, like crazy looking kids.

1028
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 10: Well, they're all over the map, I mean some of

1029
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 10: them are. You know, we're troubled kids in Israel who

1030
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 10: were basically adopted by an outpost that had registered itself

1031
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 10: as some sort of a foster home, and then they

1032
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 10: become they're you know, basically conscripted into this this holy

1033
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 10: war on Palestinians, which I think we could all agree

1034
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 10: is basically child abuse. But some of them are homegrown exactly,

1035
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 10: some of them are homegrown. I mean Yahudah Sherman, the boy,

1036
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 10: the eighteen year old who was killed his father, just

1037
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 10: did an interview with the set on our newspaper where

1038
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 10: he was boasting about the fact that when he was

1039
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 10: eleven years old, he was going out on his own

1040
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 10: into the hills to reinforce them. So we're talking about

1041
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 10: an eleven year old whose parents, whose parents are sending

1042
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 10: him out to do land patrols, which again is you know,

1043
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 10: ultimately to provoke Palestinians into a violent response. And so

1044
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 10: you know, a lot of these guys that you see

1045
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 10: and like I've encountered lots of settlers on you know,

1046
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 10: land patrols. What it basically means is it's like it's

1047
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 10: like when when me and my and my brother were

1048
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 10: young and that you know, I would get right in

1049
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 10: his face and like go like this and be like

1050
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 10: I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you, and you

1051
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 10: wait for him to respond and then you can say

1052
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 10: he hit me. I mean that that is literally what

1053
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 10: they are doing. And and and again it makes sense

1054
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 10: when you think about it, is like these are punks

1055
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 10: these are you know, troubled kids who you know were

1056
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 10: not raised right basically that's what they're out there doing.

1057
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 10: And then eventually listen, like you know, Smochritz grew up

1058
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 10: as one of these kids, so did Ben Givier. And

1059
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 10: you know, I don't think we're going to excuse what

1060
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 10: they've become now, but I mean it's it's just to

1061
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 10: say that like this has been their entire lives. They

1062
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 10: they are are born and raised in this environment where

1063
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 10: like you said, they're child soldiers basically.

1064
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 4: Well, Jessper I was going to ask because I think

1065
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,439
Speaker 4: think this is one of the interesting undercurrents that doesn't

1066
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 4: get enough attention. You mentioned how there's more ideological alignment

1067
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 4: within the IDF and the settler movement, and wanted to

1068
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 4: ask if you can tell us a little bit of

1069
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 4: like just give us more background on that, like why

1070
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 4: has that happened recently? Why does it seem like that's

1071
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 4: grown recently.

1072
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, well just to sort of take a step back,

1073
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, the idea as like an institution.

1074
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 10: Think of it as an you know, an institution, the

1075
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 10: same way that like the US, the Pentagon is its

1076
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 10: own sort of institution distinct from you know, the executive

1077
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 10: in some ways. So as an institution, it has not

1078
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 10: always been ideologically aligned with the settlement movement. And in fact,

1079
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 10: for decades there were open clashes between soldiers and settlers

1080
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 10: in the West Bank because the soldiers were interested in

1081
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 10: ruling with an iron fist and sort of maintaining stability

1082
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 10: in the West Bank, whereas the settlers were, like I said,

1083
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Speaker 10: agitating for war, and so there were actual fights. You know,

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Speaker 10: there's these videos you see of settlers going in like

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Speaker 10: tearing down excuse me, soldiers going and tearing down outposts

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00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 10: and the settlers throwing tantrums and fighting back. Over the years,

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Speaker 10: I mean that still happens from time to time, I

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00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 10: should say, but the leadership of the military have been installed,

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00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 10: as you know, they've been handpicked as people who are

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00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 10: aligned with the settler movement. So, you know, Smotrich that

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Speaker 10: what he did to basically fement this was he installed

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Speaker 10: himself in the Defense Ministry. He created a new position

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00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 10: he called Additional Minister in the Ministry of Defense. He then,

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00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 10: within the Defense Ministry created something called the Settlement Administration,

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00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 10: and what it was was basically a shadow government to

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00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 10: oversee the West Bank still within the auspices of the

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00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 10: military because it's a military occupation, so by international law

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00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 10: it has to be governed by the military. So now

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00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 10: you have the Settlement Administration, which is technical a branch

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01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 10: of the Defense Department of the Defense Ministry, which is

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01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 10: overseen by an extremist, ideological settler Smotrich. And he has

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Speaker 10: just installed his cronies into all these positions of power there,

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Speaker 10: and that has seeped into the actual like the Central Command,

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01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 10: to the fighting arm of the military as well. And

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Speaker 10: so you know, like Avi Blute is an interesting character.

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Speaker 10: He is the head of the Central Command, which basically

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Speaker 10: means he's like the general in charge of the West Bank.

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01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 10: He is one of these guys that is constantly coming

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Speaker 10: out and condemning the violent settlers.

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Speaker 2: He always makes a big show of it.

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Speaker 10: In fact, like a week ago he sent a letter

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Speaker 10: basically saying how the violent settlers were putting all of

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01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 10: Israel at risk. What he's doing quietly behind the scenes

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01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 10: is this was reported from within the military in an

1115
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 10: Israeli paper.

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Speaker 2: In why Net.

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Speaker 10: He has a henchman, a guy who reports directly to

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01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 10: him that goes and vis it's these outposts. When they're formed.

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Speaker 10: He works directly with the leader of the outposts to

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Speaker 10: make sure they have an armed guard, to make sure

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01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 10: they have the logistical support that they need, and to

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01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 10: basically help them map out how they're going to expand

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Speaker 10: and how they will have, you know, reinforcements from the military.

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Speaker 10: And so it's all this, you know, sort of you know,

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Speaker 10: out of one side of their mouth they condemned the violence.

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Speaker 10: Out of the other side, they're working directly with the

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Speaker 10: settlers to help them expand, and you know, it's it's

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Speaker 10: cuterbly just a state project.

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Speaker 3: Well, speaking of condemning the violence, me and Ryan have

1130
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 3: been wondering online over this week American politicians have all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden started condemning the West Bank violence. We've

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01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 3: been seeing Zionists, liberal Zionists, Democrat politicians and all sorts

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01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 3: of people over the last week or so come out

1134
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: and say, these West Bank settlers have to stop, we

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01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: have to condemn this violence. And even people that are

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01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: very staunch Zionists, people like Emily Schrader and others who

1137
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Speaker 3: are you know, the the talking heads on Pierce Morgan

1138
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 3: that have been laundering so much of the Israeli genocide

1139
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 3: They're like, no, this is actually where we stopped. It

1140
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 3: seems like some sort of like call went out that

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Speaker 3: this is the time to talk about it. And I

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01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 3: don't know if Ryan, if you want to add any

1143
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: more to that point.

1144
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you got Richie Torres, Stan Goldman, and then a

1145
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Speaker 6: Pack itself, after a couple of days, put out its

1146
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 6: own statement saying this has to stop. This is outrageous

1147
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 6: in such a way that before a Pack came out

1148
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 6: with its statement, people were like, oh, this seems coordinated,

1149
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 6: Like a memo went out like it is time to

1150
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 6: do a ritual round of denouncing of settlers. And then

1151
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Speaker 6: APAC came out and go there, yeah there was the memo. Yeah,

1152
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 6: so yeah, how do you how do you how how

1153
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Speaker 6: do we understand this round of denunciations from Richie Torres

1154
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 6: and others who who you know, have said that any

1155
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Speaker 6: you know, criticisan of Israel's anti semitic.

1156
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 2: Yet here here they come like what's going on here?

1157
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Speaker 10: So I'm just going to come out and say, like,

1158
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 10: I'm not convinced it was coordinated. I mean, it's certainly

1159
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 10: possible that it was, but it's actually not. It's actually

1160
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 10: nothing new that you know, liberal Zionists, particularly Democrats, will

1161
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 10: condemn settler violence.

1162
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: And a good point. You didn't have a whole lot

1163
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Speaker 2: of Republican Zionists.

1164
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Speaker 4: Russian Christians I saw, like I saw Rodreer and some

1165
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 4: other Christians come out.

1166
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Speaker 10: But well, I mean, look, I mean what they're what

1167
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 10: liberal Zionism is is sort of you know, the one

1168
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Speaker 10: of the tenets that it's built on is the idea

1169
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 10: of a two state solution.

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Speaker 2: Being the you know, the solution to this. To have

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Speaker 2: a two state solution.

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Speaker 10: You obviously need the West Bank to be part of

1173
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 10: the Palestinian state, or at least part of the West

1174
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 10: Bank to be the Palestinian state. The settlers from the

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Speaker 10: very beginning, from you know, sixty seven and certainly up

1176
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 10: to the present are just shouting as loud as I

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Speaker 10: can there will never be a Palestinian state here, and

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Speaker 10: we are going to make sure of that by creating

1179
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 10: facts on the ground, by you know, building settlements across

1180
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 10: the West Bank. And so what they're doing is just

1181
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 10: like literally, you know, they're going to the people who

1182
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 10: are saying there's going to be a two state solution,

1183
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 10: and they're like, yeah, just just try try us. And

1184
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 10: so you know, when you think about it like that,

1185
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 10: the settlement movement, not even just the violence settlers, but

1186
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 10: the settlement movement as a whole, is a really big

1187
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 10: political problem for liberal Zionists because they are you know,

1188
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 10: precluding the opportunity for the two state solution, which which

1189
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 10: liberal Zionism depends on. And so it's it's not that

1190
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 10: difficult of a position to come out and condemn you know,

1191
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 10: these violent settlers who are just like viscerally, you know,

1192
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 10: we don't like looking at them, we don't like seeing

1193
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 10: what they're doing. And politically, they are you know, trying

1194
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 10: to trying to wipe out the possibility of this two

1195
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 10: state solution once the two state solution is off the table,

1196
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 10: which I think materially it is, but you know, it's

1197
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 10: still sort of you know, used as a rhetorical and

1198
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 10: political tool. But once it's off the table, it's much

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Speaker 10: more difficult to just sort of unconditionally support Israel. And so,

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Speaker 10: you know, I think that you know, Dan Goldman or

1201
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 10: Richie Torres, when they come out and condemn settler violence,

1202
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 10: what they're basically doing is like releasing, you know, pressure

1203
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 10: from this machine that allows them to just provide unconditional

1204
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 10: support for Israel. This is their sort of plausible deniability,

1205
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 10: their way of saying like, well, we're not going to

1206
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 10: defend you know, the worst of what they're doing. You know,

1207
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 10: we still need to you know, have an idea of

1208
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 10: a two state solution in order to take our pro

1209
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 10: Israel positions. And so I think, I mean, to me,

1210
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 10: it looked kind of like a chain reaction. I mean,

1211
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 10: the videos were getting really bad, and one guy came

1212
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 10: out and condemned it, and then another one, and then

1213
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 10: the Israeli leaders started condemning, and then Apac came out

1214
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 10: and did it. It's certainly possible there was a memo,

1215
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 10: but it should just be said that, like, this is

1216
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 10: not actually new. I mean, the settlement movement is generally

1217
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 10: not supported even by liberal Zionists in America. The problem is,

1218
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 10: you know, these people are not willing to actually do

1219
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 10: what needs to be done to put a stop to it,

1220
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 10: which would be, you know, an ultimatum to the Israeli

1221
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 10: government unless you you know, stop funding the settlers, unless

1222
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 10: you start evacuating these outposts, and in my mind, it

1223
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 10: would be evacuating you know, hundreds of thousands of settlers actually,

1224
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 10: unless you do that you're not getting another dollar from us,

1225
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 10: but they're not going to do that. Instead, what the

1226
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 10: Goldmans and the Richie torres Is do is keep on

1227
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 10: telling the Israeli government, the ones who are behind the

1228
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 10: settlement movement, to get the settlers in line, which is

1229
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 10: just you know, ridiculous on its face.

1230
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also like, I mean, I think the

1231
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 3: reason me and Ryan felt it was maybe slightly more

1232
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 3: coordinated this time is because there was new faces doing it,

1233
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,919
Speaker 3: like I think we had was it. Chris Cuomo came

1234
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 3: out and was like w TF, and it's like where

1235
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 3: you been man? Like this has been going on for

1236
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 3: quite a while. And then like I mentioned Emily Schrader, uh,

1237
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 3: and it's it's there's kind of just a dissonance between

1238
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 3: you know, like what you're willing to defend and allow.

1239
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 3: I mean, she said this is wrong, but then you know,

1240
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 3: I do have her husband here in Israel posing with

1241
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 3: some of the rapists from the set Town prison rape riot,

1242
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 3: where they're you know, bringing them on and showing them

1243
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 3: around on Israeli TV.

1244
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 2: So you know, it's interesting.

1245
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 10: This is to me, it's like, yeah, I mean that

1246
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 10: is it's almost I mean, it's sort of a perfect

1247
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 10: illustration of the way that a good liberal Zionist will

1248
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 10: you come out and say one thing and then go

1249
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 10: and do another. Because if you are supporting the Israeli

1250
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 10: government in any way right now, just to be you know,

1251
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 10: very clear about it, if you're supporting the Israeli government,

1252
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 10: you're supporting completely lawless, you know, rogue government that is

1253
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 10: supporting these violent militias who are who have complete impunity.

1254
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 10: They have arms from the government, they have money, they

1255
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 10: have housing, they have tax subsidies, they get everything they

1256
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,799
Speaker 10: need from the government, who are going out and committing

1257
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 10: this violence, and so like it is. It is really just.

1258
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,680
Speaker 10: I mean, the reason frankly that I often appreciate the

1259
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,560
Speaker 10: settlers so much just from a sort of reporting perspective,

1260
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 10: is because they don't hide these things. They just come

1261
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 10: out and say it. I mean, it's it's amazing to watch.

1262
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,919
Speaker 10: Like Leo Liebovitz, who is an editor at large for Tablet,

1263
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 10: which at one time was a sort of you know,

1264
01:08:56,360 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 10: nominally respectable Jewish publication, wrote this long post where he

1265
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 10: basically said, you know, the settler violence is really a

1266
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 10: response to Palestinian aggression, and the settlers, on the other

1267
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 10: hand are like, no, no, We're going into their communities

1268
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 10: and provoking them and trying to get them to be

1269
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 10: violent towards us.

1270
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Speaker 4: And the Louis Throw documentary that came out last year

1271
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Speaker 4: just had some like incredible moments.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I have so many, just like I mean

1273
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 10: when you when you. I had a settler say to

1274
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 10: me a couple of years ago when I was I

1275
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 10: was telling him about my own experience in this town

1276
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 10: called Sebastia where the soldiers came in and were just

1277
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 10: completely belligerent, like shooting into the air and into the ground,

1278
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 10: you know, pointing their weapons at us, throwing us around.

1279
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 10: And I asked him like, do you think that that

1280
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 10: is helpful? Like, do you think that that is, you know,

1281
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 10: helping to maintain stability? And what he said to me was,

1282
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,760
Speaker 10: do you think that it was helpful for the US

1283
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:07,799
Speaker 10: military to go into Iraq and you know, make sure

1284
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:11,600
Speaker 10: that you know they were not able to, you know,

1285
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 10: use a nuclear weapon on the United States? And I

1286
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 10: thought that he was actually taking my side for a second,

1287
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 10: and then I realized the point he was making was

1288
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 10: that it's good that the US military was in Iraq

1289
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 10: because then we were able to stop them from you know,

1290
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,640
Speaker 10: launching their nuclear weapon, and so you know, that is

1291
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 10: the reality that they're living in, one in which, like

1292
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 10: you need to be in all of these Palestinian communities,

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Speaker 10: you know, terrorizing people and roughing them up to make

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Speaker 3: rest of your Friday. We'll see you soon, all right.

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Speaker 3: All, Okay, that's gonna do it for us for this

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Speaker 3: half of the show.

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Speaker 3: all that good stuff breakingpoints dot Com. We'll see u

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Speaker 3: over there in just a moment. All right, what's up? Dorks? Uh,

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Speaker 3: that's gonna lead right into this first clip here on

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Speaker 3: this side of the show.

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Speaker 4: You gotta get fired for that.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, apparently Maga is dorks now. According to one Joseph Rogan,

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Speaker 3: let's take a listen.

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Speaker 2: Praise make America great again.

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Speaker 11: I don't care, like, first of all, America is great,

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Speaker 11: make America greater. I'm down, but make America great again.

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Speaker 11: And then it becomes a movement of a bunch of

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Speaker 11: fucking dorks. There's a lot, a lot of these really weird, fucking, uninteresting,

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Speaker 11: unintelligent people that have got something they cling to. And

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Speaker 11: there's a lot of people that are just real, genuine

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Speaker 11: patriots and they're all lumped into this one group and

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Speaker 11: you got accept the dorks too. Fuck that.

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Speaker 3: I can't tell you how funny this is, Emily, where

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Speaker 3: on the roster of MAGA do you think Joe Rogan

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Speaker 3: has encountered the dork Maga?

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Speaker 2: Like, who do you think he's referring to? There?

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Speaker 4: Well, what's so funny about this? Is a year ago

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Speaker 4: when doge was happening, Maga was cool on the top

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Speaker 4: of the world. Yes, Yes, New York Magazine was framing

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Speaker 4: MAGA as the quote cruel kids club, and that birthed

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Speaker 4: a million think pieces about how conservatives became cool. And

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Speaker 4: I'm telling you as somebody who sat through dozens of

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Speaker 4: panels about how like at Seapack over the years, about

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Speaker 4: how to make conservatives cool? That always made you want

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Speaker 4: to die. I have so many stories about this, but

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Speaker 4: it was an obsession of the right for years about

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Speaker 4: how they couldn't own culture and how the right could

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Speaker 4: be ever perceived as cool. Did it matter or not?

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Speaker 4: Should the right get into Hollywood? Everyone like, oh the

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Speaker 4: the what is it the Lincoln Society of Conservative Hollywood.

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Speaker 4: We've got some people in there, they've infiltrated. I can't

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Speaker 4: tell you how funny it is to see that all

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Speaker 4: come crashing down because it was built on the Maga

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Speaker 4: House of Cards, the like Trump House of Cards, that

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Speaker 4: the Trump had this vibe shift post Butler where it

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Speaker 4: was real, like it actually that was genuinely real. All

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Speaker 4: of these like different people were like that guy's a badass.

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Speaker 4: And there was like six months where MAGA was at

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Speaker 4: the top of the world because the American people were

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Speaker 4: so sick of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Democrats had

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Speaker 4: this like ailing well octagenarian almost octagenarian as the President

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Speaker 4: of United States who couldn't complete a sentence, and JE

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Speaker 4: supposed with that. Yeah, Trump and Elon Musk, to some people,

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Speaker 4: seemed cool and younger people post COVID were interested in

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Speaker 4: different ideas. And I was sitting back watching this thinking

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Speaker 4: for the Republican Party, that's not sustainable. That's just not sustainable,

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Speaker 4: because I don't even think it's sustainable for any political party.

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Speaker 4: We all remember when Obama came into office on the

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Speaker 4: hope and change mantle and we look back on that

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Speaker 4: ten years literally or fifteen years later, and it's like

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Speaker 4: those guys were a bunch of dorks and rock the

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Speaker 4: vote shirts like politics is you'll have to well, it's

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Speaker 4: dorky because people have to now put on team jerseys.

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Speaker 4: When you're putting on team jerseys, it makes you not

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Speaker 4: cool because that means you're going to obscure the truth

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Speaker 4: and you're not going to be interested in like transparency.

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Speaker 4: And this is an era of very low institutional trust,

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Speaker 4: so repping an institution is not going to be cool. Ever. Ever,

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Speaker 4: I just don't understand why. I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I know, did people really think Mago was cool? Honestly? God, Like,

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Speaker 4: that's a real questions.

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Speaker 2: To be what do you who do you think it is?

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Speaker 7: Ryan?

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Speaker 2: Who do you think Joe is being triggered by? Here?

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Speaker 3: Is it the cash Battel hockey locker room video? Is

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Speaker 3: it the White House government tweets like where where does

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Speaker 3: Rogan finding this?

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Speaker 12: Door?

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Speaker 8: Factor?

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Speaker 4: Bro?

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Speaker 6: The irony, of course, is that my mind goes immediately

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Speaker 6: to Elon Musk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the one guy he still likes.

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Speaker 6: Maybe it's cash Battel, And it's like chugging his bud

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Speaker 6: light or whatever. Maybe I don't I don't know, but yeah,

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Speaker 6: what's going on? Is he like I saw a clip

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Speaker 6: from Seapack where you got right here roll that one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are we talking about this young kid?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this guy just doing the same thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but and this guy visually this is central casting

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Speaker 3: for dork So let's hear direct from the dorks.

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Speaker 2: I just I get the vibe.

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Speaker 8: A lot of people I knew who just wrote.

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Speaker 12: To Trump because I thought it was cool in like

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Speaker 12: high school, are just now just being like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So this is it was transgressive against the

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Speaker 4: dominant culture of the time, which was, as Ryan wrote

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Speaker 4: about an elephant in the zoom, was this increasingly rigid

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Speaker 4: ideological conformity pushed by you know everywhere from Wall Street

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Speaker 4: with ESG to the media referring to people as against

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Speaker 4: their will as Latin X. And so it was it

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Speaker 4: was transgressive to support Trump. And so I guess, to

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Speaker 4: answer my own question, there's a moment where that could

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Speaker 4: have been perceived as like genuinely cool because there was

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Speaker 4: something like again subversive anti establishment. Whether or not you

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Speaker 4: believe that, you know, Trump ended up getting inaugurated with

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Speaker 4: all of the tech CEOs behind him, which the question

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Speaker 4: at the time in my mind is is this him

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Speaker 4: saying I have conquered you or is this him saying

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Speaker 4: you have conquered meat? And we know how it turned out.

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Speaker 4: And if you know anything about politics, you probably could

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Speaker 4: have guessed how it turned out. But I think there

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Speaker 4: was for a lot of young people who were around

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Speaker 4: in the COVID period and like culture cultural taste makers

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Speaker 4: who are around in the COVID period, this moment where

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Speaker 4: there was Catharsis and Griffin you would know about these vibes.

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Speaker 4: Like in California there was this and you're probably in

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Speaker 4: New York at the time, but like you could there

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Speaker 4: was this something that was like artistic Catharsis to be

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Speaker 4: found in Trump being the most unusual, like unusual place

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Speaker 4: to project that onto. Uh.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's a whole other bag of worms.

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Speaker 3: Has to deal with a lot of like specific entertainment

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Speaker 3: industry issues. But yeah, I mean, where where does this

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Speaker 3: go now that they're not cool anymore? I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: And I'm specifically interested in in Rogan and and you know,

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Speaker 3: Rogan's a little late to this because there's a few

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Speaker 3: other people whose fingers were a little more to the

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Speaker 3: wind on this. Andrew Schultz has been coming out sort

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Speaker 3: of against the Trump movement a little bit quicker and

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Speaker 3: people like that. So we'll be interesting to see where

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Speaker 3: these guys go next. And is it then are they?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if they're gonna flip or

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Speaker 3: if a lot of these guys are just gonna remove

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Speaker 3: themselves from politics, because like if it's like another Democratic

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Speaker 3: standard bearer, I don't see them being like, oh now

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Speaker 3: this is counterculture.

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Speaker 2: I think they're just not gonna vote. Now, what do

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Speaker 2: you think Ryan.

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Speaker 6: Well Fuentes is telling is people to vote democratics? Oh right,

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Speaker 6: mess with them. Yeah, Like, what's so amazing is that

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Speaker 6: Trump did all of this to himself. Right now, Right now,

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Speaker 6: we're seeing some like catastrophically hot weather and we're looking

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Speaker 6: at maybe you know, uh, historic drought conditions, you know,

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Speaker 6: throughout much of the Mountain west and then southwest. So

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Speaker 6: like we're there's gonna be external pressure on the Trump administration.

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Speaker 6: But other than that, he's had a remarkably smooth glide

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Speaker 6: through this first year. Plus all of the problems that

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Speaker 6: he has, either the chaos around the tariffs, the multiple

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Speaker 6: wars like the you know, ice violence around the country,

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Speaker 6: Like these are all the product of his decisions. This

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Speaker 6: is not a Katrina that he's you know, failing to

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Speaker 6: respond to effectively. It's his own stuff, which which to

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Speaker 6: me makes him a kind of uniquely bad president. Like

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Speaker 6: he's mishandling the crises that he is producing. And so yeah,

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Speaker 6: people are like, all right, you know this is not cool,

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Speaker 6: Like this is not transgressive, like this is actually making

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Speaker 6: my life much more difficult. In our poll a week ago,

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Speaker 6: we had half the country was saying that they thought

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Speaker 6: the Iron War would make their life more difficult. And

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Speaker 6: that was a week ago. I think you probablyst see

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Speaker 6: sixty seventy percent at this point. Now gas in DC

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Speaker 6: is up to like four fifty. A lot of people

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Speaker 6: are looking at oil prices, but like what people care

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Speaker 6: about is what that what the number says at the pump,

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Speaker 6: and then how that filters through prices when it comes

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Speaker 6: to you know, plastic grocery prices, which are heavily fueled

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Speaker 6: by you know, the price plastic actually, and then we're

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Speaker 6: going to if we start seeing shortages of stuff like

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Speaker 6: COVID styles shortages but not driven by an external event

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Speaker 6: like COVID driven by Trump's own decision.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, my.

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Speaker 4: Theory of this has always been that the right was

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Speaker 4: reading too much into the extent to which Rogan and

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Speaker 4: others rallying around Trump was much more anti left than

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Speaker 4: pro right. So it wasn't as though people were like,

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Speaker 4: we love Liberation Day tariffs, we can't wait to be

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Speaker 4: liberated by these tariffs. We love mass deportations, we can't

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Speaker 4: wait to see them. It was more f that like,

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Speaker 4: and this has been yeah, like the Seapack set, and

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Speaker 4: like I've literally spoken at Seapack and it's it's it's

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Speaker 4: even worse than it's ever been before. Like it's bad.

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Speaker 4: It's like genuinely a sign that the conservative movement, the

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Speaker 4: energy has been sucked out of the conservative movement, just

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Speaker 4: as everyone thought the conservative movement had been inflated by

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Speaker 4: MAGA to its like record level of momentum and size,

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Speaker 4: And that was always a mistake because so much of

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Speaker 4: what was pumping it up. We see this in the

1506
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 4: debate over Israel. Meghan Kelly has pushed back. Who else

1507
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 4: is pushed back on this MAGA label. I'm trying to

1508
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 4: think of another good example, she said, I'm not Maga.

1509
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 4: I'm MAGA adjacent. I'm an independent. I've voted for both

1510
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 4: parties and presidential elections my whole life. And I think

1511
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 4: people were like lumping Rogan in with actual MAGA and

1512
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 4: and Megan in with actual MAGA, and other people in

1513
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 4: with actual Maga and assumed we won because now people

1514
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 4: are they're all Mega. It's like, no, they're anti Left

1515
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 4: more than they are Mega. That's the big priority that

1516
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 4: drew people to them. So anyway, very anything out.

1517
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 6: New Fox Newspole has the country. You know, the country

1518
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 6: was against the war, but kind of you know in

1519
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 6: the beginning, the public is ready to support war in general.

1520
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 6: So the fact that he was only at like fifty

1521
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,759
Speaker 6: to fifty was not good news for him. New Fox

1522
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 6: Newspole has fifty seven percent against forty one percent approving,

1523
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,680
Speaker 6: So like he's even underwater on the war itself, on

1524
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 6: the effects of the war, is way underwater.

1525
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I do also think there might be a

1526
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:50,000
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk element to all of this, because Charlie was,

1527
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 3: for lack of a better word, like cool within the movement,

1528
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 3: and then when he was gone, there's been a lot

1529
01:23:56,280 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 3: of uh woke scolding, a lot of arguments about his character,

1530
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 3: what he believed, what he didn't, and then the establishment

1531
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,480
Speaker 3: tried to replace him with brillain Hollyhamd.

1532
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,520
Speaker 2: So the.

1533
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 3: Whatever the trajectory has been incredibly dorkish.

1534
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 4: Who was like going around campuses and being like it

1535
01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:23,480
Speaker 4: is our mandate to support It's like a little Lindsey Graham.

1536
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, just straight from his private jet or whatever. I

1537
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,599
Speaker 3: believe it was one of the videos. So yeah, they

1538
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 3: haven't really had a lot of figures. And I really

1539
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 3: do think the Cash Mattel thing has has tainted a

1540
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 3: dorkiness outside of the Elon stuff to all of this.

1541
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 3: But I think this leads us perfectly to some of

1542
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 3: our AMA questions that we'll get to really quickly. Right now,

1543
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 3: before we get to doctor abdul el sayed, someone asks, uh,

1544
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 3: this is chart dog asks what's up with the weird

1545
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 3: Twitter posts from the White House account? And I mean,

1546
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 3: so for folks who have not been and paying attention

1547
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:05,559
Speaker 3: to the White House dot gov official Twitter account, there's

1548
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 3: a vibe that I can only describe as school shooter adjacent,

1549
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:17,840
Speaker 3: just like very vague aura, yes, very columbiney. Just they've

1550
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 3: been posting these. If you're just listening to audio these

1551
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 3: odd digitized photos of JD. Vans and Trump. I really

1552
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 3: have no idea. What's going on? The movie on the couch? Okay, nice, No,

1553
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 3: it's from the City Union. You can catch it straight

1554
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:34,759
Speaker 3: from the digital I like that, Emily.

1555
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 4: No, someone else someone like you to do that. I

1556
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 4: forget who it was. I would give them credit if

1557
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 4: I had it.

1558
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 3: There's also been these bizarre like there's a bizarre like

1559
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 3: three or four second video of people's feet in like

1560
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 3: a room talking about a plan. Like there's these very

1561
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 3: very bizarre posts, Emily, Like, what has the reaction been

1562
01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 3: on the conservative side?

1563
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,879
Speaker 2: Is this is this based trolling or is this just bizarre?

1564
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,640
Speaker 4: It's completely bizarre. Maybe it's also intended to be a

1565
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 4: troll and they're going to do some big reveal. I'm

1566
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 4: guessing that they're building up to some big reveal. I

1567
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 4: have no idea, but I will say when they put

1568
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 4: out that bowling video in the earlier days of the war,

1569
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,360
Speaker 4: that was I just heard a lot of internal chit chaff,

1570
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 4: people being like, what the actual fuck is happening at

1571
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 4: the social media team, even like on the right, people

1572
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 4: were like, what the actual fuck is happening like that

1573
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 4: is so even for our expectations of you know, this

1574
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,839
Speaker 4: administration on social media, the president himself posts the craziest

1575
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 4: shit on social media. But even then, this was like

1576
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 4: completely insane and shameful. So that definitely, I'm sure that

1577
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 4: made its way up to the people who are doing this.

1578
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:48,960
Speaker 4: I don't know who the people are doing this are,

1579
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 4: but I have no theory of the case other than

1580
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 4: their trolling in some obscure way. That doesn't even matter

1581
01:26:56,360 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 4: anymore because like, what are we going to do about it?

1582
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 4: Be like, what's up with the weird social media posts?

1583
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna change.

1584
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 2: Anything, all right?

1585
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 3: This next one should be for Ryan. This comes from

1586
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 3: Chase Leonard or Chase the Swift. Could an American private

1587
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 3: company set up in Cuba and sell diesel to the.

1588
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 2: Hospitals and other medical facilities? No? You, no, you couldnt.

1589
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 6: They They guidelines that the Treasury Department has put out

1590
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:38,520
Speaker 6: say that any private business that imports that legally imports

1591
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 6: gasoline or diesel cannot give it to cannot sell it

1592
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 6: or give it to the public sector, like not allowed.

1593
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,040
Speaker 6: So the best that you could you could have happen

1594
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 6: is that enough private companies bring in oil and diesel

1595
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 6: and that brings down the price and then somehow it

1596
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:07,760
Speaker 6: gets diverted to the hospitals, but they couldn't participate in

1597
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 6: that legally. Now, this this Russian tanker is on its

1598
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 6: way because I think Putin really likes to likes the

1599
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 6: idea of not being the obvious bad guy mm hm.

1600
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 6: And so how many days out are we now? It's

1601
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 6: you know, it's it's the anatotally Kalatkin. It's you know,

1602
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 6: so far it's still going and it's refusing to back down.

1603
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 6: So in Cuba, like everybody was talking about that. That's

1604
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 6: how bleak it is. It's like people are like tracking,

1605
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 6: like where is this Russian tanker? Is it going to

1606
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 6: make it? We don't, like, we don't know is it

1607
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 6: going to turn back? But so we'll see. It's, you know,

1608
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 6: within days, we should know whether or not the US

1609
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 6: is willing to like militarily confront this this oil tanker

1610
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 6: that is planning to deliver oil to to Cuba.

1611
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 3: Okay, well, we're making Punin look like the good guy

1612
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 3: Michigan accomplished.

1613
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:15,200
Speaker 2: And that's not easily done.

1614
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 3: Yep, some say it could be done. Trump said, hold

1615
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 3: my beer all right. Well, on that note, we've got

1616
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 3: doctor Abdul l Sayad who's running for Senate in Michigan.

1617
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 6: Let the let it be all right, joining us now. Doctor

1618
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 6: Abdul el Sayed, Senate candidate in the Great State of Michigan,

1619
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 6: getting attention toward his campaign thanks to all of his other,

1620
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 6: you know, serious opponents in the race, APAK and some

1621
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:46,439
Speaker 6: other groups all condemning a rally that he hosted this

1622
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 6: week with Hassan Piker, who I was just on a

1623
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 6: trip to Cuba with which so the kind of the

1624
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 6: Hassan Piker denunciation cycle moved kind of seamlessly, you know,

1625
01:29:57,479 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 6: from denouncing everybody who to Cuba to now denouncing senate

1626
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 6: candidate and Michigan for campaigning with him. Doctor al said,

1627
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 6: thank you so much for being here. Really really appreciate it.

1628
01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 13: Ran.

1629
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 12: It's always a pleasure to be with you all. And

1630
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 12: we have not hosted our rallies yet. There coming up

1631
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 12: at the University of Michigan and Michigan State and April seventh.

1632
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 12: I folks have not signed up. I hope you'll come.

1633
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 12: We also have representative summer lead. We're looking forward to it.

1634
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 6: What was the it was the announcement of the rally

1635
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 6: that got everybody angry, like where did it? Because you

1636
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 6: had actually announced it, I think, like a week earlier,

1637
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 6: So like, what was what was it that triggered this

1638
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 6: round of like viral like cancelation outrage?

1639
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 8: You know, I don't even know.

1640
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 12: And the point that you made in the first place

1641
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 12: is that we're talking about somebody whose job it is

1642
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 12: to talk to groups of people that you would think

1643
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,519
Speaker 12: people running for public office would want to be talking to.

1644
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:55,040
Speaker 8: They're the folks I want to be talking to.

1645
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 12: And a big frustration that we've often had is that

1646
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 12: too often the people who should be voting for Democrats

1647
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 12: are not showing up to elections at all, And the

1648
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 12: question is where are we missing them? Why are we

1649
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 12: not able to move our message? Well, I think part

1650
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 12: of it is that too many politicians who don't have

1651
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:12,800
Speaker 12: a message that these folks care about because they are

1652
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 12: on the wrong side of locking these same folks out.

1653
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 12: And on the other it's that we're not actually going

1654
01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 12: to the places that these folks are. I mean, we

1655
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:22,400
Speaker 12: remember the whole twenty twenty four discourse about whether or

1656
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 12: not the vice president should have gone on Rogan. So

1657
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 12: my question is what is wrong with going and talking

1658
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 12: to a group of people who have been let down

1659
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 12: by our politics, cast aside by politicians who weren't talking

1660
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:34,800
Speaker 12: to the issues that they're talking to. And I'll just

1661
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 12: say this, the logic of this is kind of crazy,

1662
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 12: given the fact that Hassan was invited to stream live

1663
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 12: from the DNC in twenty twenty four, and so I'm

1664
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,360
Speaker 12: only doing what Vice President Harris did in the first place.

1665
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 12: I think the question that I would ask any of

1666
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 12: the folks who are so frustrated about this is why

1667
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 12: wasn't there so much more outrage when she did it?

1668
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, until they kicked him out I think the third

1669
01:31:56,960 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 3: or fourth day. But that's a different story. There were

1670
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 3: some quotes here from Malior mcmarrow, who's running against you,

1671
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,599
Speaker 3: about Hassan. To quote this from the Jewish Insider, she says,

1672
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 3: it is somebody who says extremely offensive things in order

1673
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,759
Speaker 3: to generate clicks us and followers, which is not entirely

1674
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 3: different from somebody like Nick Flentes. That is not somebody

1675
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 3: you should be campaigning with at a moment when there's

1676
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 3: clearly a lot of pain and trauma across our state.

1677
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 2: How do you bring everybody together.

1678
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 3: When there are difficult conversations where there are easy answers,

1679
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,479
Speaker 3: I'll leave that question to you, Abdouble.

1680
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 12: I'm trying to have conversations with everybody, and I agree

1681
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 12: that there's a lot of pain in trauma across our state.

1682
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 12: There has been so much pain in trauma across our state.

1683
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 12: That's why I've always tried to name that pain and trauma.

1684
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 12: From the jump, you go back a couple of years,

1685
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:55,720
Speaker 12: we have watched as Israel has decimated Gaza in a genocide,

1686
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 12: and it took two years for my opponent to call

1687
01:32:58,280 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 12: it what it was, a genocide. So if we want

1688
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,200
Speaker 12: to be in the business of understanding pain and trauma,

1689
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 12: I think it's important for us to name pain and trauma.

1690
01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,799
Speaker 8: And herein lies exactly the double standard.

1691
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 12: When we talk about the pain and trauma of some

1692
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 12: groups of people, that gets ignored. It gets ignored by

1693
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 12: the same politicians who tend to ignore the kinds of

1694
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 12: people who listen to Hassan Piker or twitch stream every

1695
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 12: single day. I'm trying to have a conversation with everybody.

1696
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 12: I was proud last Saturday to spend my Saturday morning

1697
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 12: in Jewish prayer services. I was invited in and I

1698
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:30,560
Speaker 12: was so grateful to get to share space. At the

1699
01:33:30,640 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 12: end of the day, I think it is absolutely critical

1700
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 12: for us to understand that pain begets pain, and the

1701
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 12: only way that we heal pain is by going and

1702
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 12: addressing the circumstances that cause it.

1703
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:40,479
Speaker 8: That's what I'm trying.

1704
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 12: To do, And then all of this seems completely separated

1705
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 12: from the foundational issues that people are feeling pain on

1706
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 12: across our state. Everywhere I go, people tell me about

1707
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,759
Speaker 12: the fact that they cannot afford anything as simple as gas.

1708
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,480
Speaker 12: They can't afford their rent, they can't afford their groceries,

1709
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 12: and they certainly can't afford healthcare. I'm trying to have

1710
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 12: conversations about how we unlock our current system, take money

1711
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,600
Speaker 12: out of politics through corporate bribery, how we address the

1712
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 12: fact that we need to put more money back in

1713
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,559
Speaker 12: people's poets by standing with unions and small businesses, and

1714
01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 12: finally guaranteeing every single person healthcare through Medicare for All.

1715
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 12: Those are the conversations I'm having with people, whether they

1716
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 12: are in town halls and places like ishpimming on Twitch

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01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 12: with people like Hassan, or in churches in places like Detroit,

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01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 12: and those are the conversations I think we need to

1719
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 12: be focused on.

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01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:27,719
Speaker 4: Go ahead.

1721
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 1: Sorry, I was just going to ask and nice to

1722
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: see you. I am Dula.

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01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 5: Sorry for being late. I had a thing I had

1724
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 5: to do and now I'm back, but wanted to make

1725
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 5: sure I got a chance to speak with you at

1726
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 5: least for a little bit. But I was curious, actually,

1727
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 5: if people are bringing this up to you when you're,

1728
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 5: you know, having online events or when you're having town

1729
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 5: halls in the district, is this you know, are they

1730
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 5: raising concerns about the rally with Hassan or things Hasan's head,

1731
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 5: or you know what your stances, et cetera.

1732
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:54,639
Speaker 12: You know, it's interesting. Every room I walk into, two

1733
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:58,519
Speaker 12: things happen. Number One, somebody who's usually older than sixty

1734
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 12: comes up and says, wow, there are so many young

1735
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 12: people here. And then one of those young people comes

1736
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:04,839
Speaker 12: up to me and says, hey, I heard you on Hassan.

1737
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,680
Speaker 12: I just think one of the problems with our politics

1738
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 12: is that we tend to do politics for consumption by

1739
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 12: people who talk about politics like sport. And if you're

1740
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 12: somebody who can consume politics like sports, by definition, that

1741
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:18,960
Speaker 12: says something about your general privilege. I'm trying to have

1742
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 12: conversations with people for whom politics is foundational to being

1743
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 12: able to afford a dignified life. And I know that

1744
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:27,200
Speaker 12: a lot of those folks feel xed out of our

1745
01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:30,280
Speaker 12: political conversation because it's had by people who they know

1746
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 12: do not share their life experiences and could not care

1747
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 12: less about them.

1748
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 2: I do.

1749
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 12: I'm a physician, I trained to take care of people,

1750
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 12: to make sure government works for people. As a health

1751
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:40,960
Speaker 12: director both in Detroit and Wayne County, I want to

1752
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 12: go to the places where people who feel locked out

1753
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 12: of our politics are actually paying attention, and those are

1754
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 12: the conversations that I want to be having. It's the

1755
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 12: reason why young people show up to our events because

1756
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 12: they understand that I'm not trying to talk down to anybody.

1757
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 12: I'm not trying to talk in language that is not

1758
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,759
Speaker 12: accessible to everybody. I'm trying to talk about real problems

1759
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 12: that real people face in real places where people actually go.

1760
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,719
Speaker 4: There's no question that from you, like a Laura Lumer

1761
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 4: or others, you've experienced them been the subject of some

1762
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 4: outright bigotry. There's also the issue of, you know, just

1763
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 4: the synagogue tragedy that happened several weeks ago now, and

1764
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 4: I wanted to ask Abd how you navigate questions about

1765
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 4: potential extremism in Michigan where people are like maybe asking

1766
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 4: you to answer for people who are doing horrible things,

1767
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 4: like what has that been like on the campaign trail,

1768
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:41,719
Speaker 4: because I imagine that's a some of those conversations get difficult, although,

1769
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 4: as you say, you're probably hearing more about affordability than

1770
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:44,840
Speaker 4: anything else.

1771
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 12: After the terrible, horrific attack on Temple Israel, I was

1772
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,960
Speaker 12: quite clear that anti Semitism has no place in America,

1773
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 12: that we have a responsibility to stand up for Jewish

1774
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:01,280
Speaker 12: people against anti Semitism. It's the reason why I have

1775
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:04,639
Speaker 12: been clear from the get that we have to stand

1776
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 12: up for Jewish people and against anti Semitism. And that

1777
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 12: starts with recognizing that any attempt to tie something that's

1778
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:14,560
Speaker 12: happening on the part of a foreign government abroad to

1779
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 12: people in Michigan as a function of their faith is

1780
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:22,200
Speaker 12: wrong and it's anti Semitic. And I released a statement

1781
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 12: because I wanted folks to understand and put in context

1782
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 12: what happened. You had a guy who lost niece and

1783
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 12: nephew children in an attack, and in his rage and pain,

1784
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 12: he displaced it on people who never ever should have

1785
01:37:37,080 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 12: been the victims of his violence. I want us to

1786
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 12: understand that anti Semitism is wrong, but also hurt people.

1787
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 12: Hurt people, and we have to understand the context in

1788
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 12: which pain is created and then pain gets displaced if

1789
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 12: we're serious about uprooting that kind of pain. We released

1790
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 12: a four and a half minute statement about exactly what

1791
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 12: happened and how I felt about it. So I stand

1792
01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 12: in solidarity with Jewish Michiganders and Jewish Americans, frankly Jewish Israelis.

1793
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,599
Speaker 12: I stand in solidarity with Jewish people because I believe

1794
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 12: anti Semitism to be wrong. And I also understand that

1795
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,800
Speaker 12: what the State of Israel is doing in terms of

1796
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 12: the genocide that it perpetrated in Gaza, in terms of

1797
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:19,280
Speaker 12: the war that it has pushed an idiot like Donald

1798
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:22,559
Speaker 12: Trump into finally taking action to pursue in the ways

1799
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,599
Speaker 12: in which they are trying to annex southern Lebanon or

1800
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:28,679
Speaker 12: decimate the idea of a Palestinian state in the West Bank.

1801
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 12: That's all wrong, and we can say multiple things are

1802
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,800
Speaker 12: wrong at the same time without trying to use any

1803
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:38,640
Speaker 12: of them as justification for another. In fact, I think

1804
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 12: if we're serious about trying to uproot the kind of

1805
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 12: violence that we are seeing to take hold, we have

1806
01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 12: to be able to acknowledge the pain that creates it,

1807
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 12: and we have to do something about addressing it. And

1808
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:51,719
Speaker 12: I just think that that's where leadership ought to start.

1809
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:53,720
Speaker 12: Anyone who wants to tell you that some pain is

1810
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 12: more important than other pain, Anyone who wants to tell

1811
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 12: you that somehow we can't talk about context for pain

1812
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,840
Speaker 12: is not serious about actually addressing pain. Are usually trying

1813
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:03,160
Speaker 12: to weaponize it for their own political ends.

1814
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,080
Speaker 6: And what I found so striking about the kind of

1815
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 6: Democratic establishment conversation around Hassan Piker in general. And there

1816
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:16,960
Speaker 6: was this like Third Way article, the Third Way column

1817
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 6: up ed that they published, I think on the Wall

1818
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,760
Speaker 6: Street Journal saying that like, the Democratic Party needs to

1819
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 6: draw a bright line and a sand Piker needs to

1820
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 6: be on the other side of it. He cannot be

1821
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 6: in this, you know, in this space, in this coalition

1822
01:39:32,640 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 6: because he is anti Semitic. Like it's just it's just

1823
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:38,599
Speaker 6: a foundational kind of belief and claim that is made.

1824
01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 6: I just I just saw on but which I think

1825
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 6: most people that watch this program, if they have ever

1826
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:47,080
Speaker 6: watched a sont Piker, just know that that's false. A

1827
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 6: lot of people, though have would probably have not seen

1828
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 6: him and might assume, oh, maybe he maybe he is.

1829
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 6: I saw that somebody made a thirty minute compilation which

1830
01:39:55,520 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 6: obviously have thirty minutes, and I will.

1831
01:39:58,800 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 1: The whole thing.

1832
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 6: It's thirty thirty thirty straight minutes of Sampiker calling out

1833
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 6: anti Semitism and and telling his audience that it is,

1834
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 6: you know, anti Semitic, to conflate Judaism with Israel and

1835
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 6: on and on, like there are not many people kind

1836
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,639
Speaker 6: of in the public space, I think where you could

1837
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,000
Speaker 6: even make a thirty minute compilation.

1838
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 2: A lot of people say it.

1839
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:29,840
Speaker 6: This that's that's like an extraordinary and that's just what

1840
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 6: they found, you know, throughout this. And so I'm curious,

1841
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:41,640
Speaker 6: like on the ground, how like how how kind of

1842
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 6: dominant and how prevalent is kind of the understanding of

1843
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 6: of who he is and then and what and and

1844
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 6: also how kind of prevalent is the assumption among kind

1845
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:54,640
Speaker 6: of older people who don't know what twitch is. Do

1846
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:56,840
Speaker 6: they just kind of just kind of accept it as fact, Oh,

1847
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:00,479
Speaker 6: this guy's anti Semitic or they having heard of it,

1848
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 6: where like, because as a candidate, you're much kind of

1849
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 6: more into the public and the grassroots than a lot

1850
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 6: of other people. So what is your sense of what

1851
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 6: people understand about this controversy.

1852
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 12: The vast majority of people don't know who is and

1853
01:41:15,080 --> 01:41:17,120
Speaker 12: they don't understand what the whole issue is about. They're

1854
01:41:17,120 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 12: more concerned about how I want to make sure that

1855
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 12: they have healthcare through Medicare for All.

1856
01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 8: And then you have folks like Third Way.

1857
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,280
Speaker 12: The reason that Third Way is so angry right now

1858
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:29,400
Speaker 12: is because they are corporate backed entity that is intended

1859
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:31,840
Speaker 12: to launder the old ideas that led us into this

1860
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:34,800
Speaker 12: unaffordability crisis in the first place. And we've got people

1861
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 12: like Hassan talking to young people about how we can

1862
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:40,080
Speaker 12: actually get past that, how we can actually elect politicians

1863
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:42,000
Speaker 12: who really want to guarantee us healthcare who don't take

1864
01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:45,040
Speaker 12: corporate money. They get real upset because, well, we're all

1865
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:48,680
Speaker 12: coming for all that they hold dear a system that

1866
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 12: sucks money out of our pockets into the hands of

1867
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,920
Speaker 12: the richest people in society by way of policies that

1868
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:58,360
Speaker 12: fail to regulate corporations, whether they're providing US utilities or

1869
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 12: healthcare or flights, And well, I understand why Third Way

1870
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 12: is angry, but they're using a cheap scapegoat to be

1871
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:07,280
Speaker 12: able to get at that. And then, look, the guy

1872
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:11,400
Speaker 12: streams for eight hours every single day. It's not hard

1873
01:42:11,560 --> 01:42:13,680
Speaker 12: to take things out of context and then try to

1874
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,519
Speaker 12: paint him with that. And then because you called him

1875
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:20,559
Speaker 12: a particular tag, to make that tag stick, because nobody

1876
01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 12: really has the time to come through except for this

1877
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 12: person who made the thirty minute compilation to look at

1878
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 12: all of the times in which he took particular pains

1879
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 12: to differentiate between anti Semitism and the actions of the

1880
01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 12: State of Israel. Look, you know, at the end of

1881
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 12: the day, just this morning, responded to the leader of

1882
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:46,520
Speaker 12: the ADL, Jonathan Greenblatt, who consistently tries to obfuscate, deliberately

1883
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 12: tries to obfuscate the State of Israel and apak for

1884
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 12: the Jewish people. And you would think that somebody who

1885
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 12: has a platform principally focused on trying to protect Jewish

1886
01:42:56,040 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 12: people would understand the foundational risk of that and the

1887
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:03,800
Speaker 12: foundational Semitism in that. But instead he's trying to use

1888
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:09,120
Speaker 12: the concept of antisemitism to argue that any sort of

1889
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 12: criticism of Israel, or any sort of criticism of APAC,

1890
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:16,599
Speaker 12: which is a magabacked political action committee intent on making

1891
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 12: sure that our public policy backstops whatever it is that

1892
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 12: Israeli leaders want to do. He wants to extend the

1893
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:25,639
Speaker 12: concept of anti Semitism to defend that too, And I'm

1894
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 12: so sorry, but when you're talking about a state that

1895
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 12: is engaged in genocide at worst, but also engaged in

1896
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 12: war crimes and engaged in apartheid, it is not possible

1897
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 12: to try to use that concept to defend what they're doing.

1898
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 12: And I just think it's really critical for all of

1899
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 12: us to be willing to have a clear, direct and

1900
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:51,840
Speaker 12: specific engagement with the notion that, yes, it is okay

1901
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 12: to criticize a foreign government that engages in genocide, and no,

1902
01:43:55,560 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 12: it is not okay to criticize a whole group of

1903
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,040
Speaker 12: people simply because some people want you to say, I

1904
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 12: think that one is the same as the other.

1905
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 8: They are not.

1906
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:06,320
Speaker 12: The Jewish people are led onto the world. Anti Semitism

1907
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 12: is wrong. Judaism is a beautiful faith. I got to

1908
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 12: experience it myself on Saturday. The state of Israel has

1909
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 12: done terrible things, is engaged in doing terrible things, and

1910
01:44:16,439 --> 01:44:20,080
Speaker 12: is dragging our country alongside it by way of apac which.

1911
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 8: Is spending huge amounts of money to silence people like me.

1912
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 12: All of those things are true, and they need to

1913
01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 12: be kept separate if we're serious about actually empowering people,

1914
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:31,760
Speaker 12: because that's the whole goal here. Whether they're Jewish people

1915
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:35,400
Speaker 12: in America or in Israel, or they're Palestinians or their

1916
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:39,040
Speaker 12: Iranian folk, or their Americans just trying to afford their

1917
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 12: groceries and their health care, all of us would do

1918
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 12: better if we stopped pretending that some violence inflicted on

1919
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 12: the part of a foreign government somehow has to be

1920
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 12: defended by everybody who shares a particular faith.

1921
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:53,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, and forgive me if this point has

1922
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 5: been made before I jumped in the conversation. I think

1923
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:58,720
Speaker 5: there's also an irony here from you know, I saw

1924
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,600
Speaker 5: your opponent, Malari mcmore, who's now very critical of, you know,

1925
01:45:01,640 --> 01:45:04,639
Speaker 5: Hassan Piker, and you're doing anything with Hassan Piker. Right

1926
01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:07,519
Speaker 5: after Trump won, she was one of many who was like,

1927
01:45:07,560 --> 01:45:09,439
Speaker 5: we got to reach out to these, you know, the

1928
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:10,960
Speaker 5: Joe Rogans of the world.

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Speaker 1: The podcast Guys where these young men are?

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Speaker 5: I mean, this was a very common analysis and especially

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Speaker 5: common analysis from like the third way part of the party.

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Speaker 5: But you know that's only when it's you know, people

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Speaker 5: who code right. When it's someone who's on the left,

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Speaker 5: who has a huge following among young men in particular,

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Speaker 5: then oh, this is totally out of bounds. And I

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Speaker 5: think you're right, Abdulla in your analysis that is just

1937
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Speaker 5: basically because they're panicking because they're losing control of the party.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the distance between where the base of the

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Speaker 5: Democratic Party is and where the elected party leadership you know, remains,

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Speaker 5: especially on the issue of Israel, but on a variety

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Speaker 5: of issues besides, is gigantic and seems like something that

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Speaker 5: is unsustainable. So in light of that, I mean, you're

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Speaker 5: running to be part of a new wave of Democrats

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Speaker 5: who approaches you know, a whole range of choose very differently.

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Speaker 5: One of the things the Democratic base is very disgusted

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Speaker 5: with is the failed leadership of Chuck Schumer in the Senate.

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Speaker 5: So I wonder where you are in the question of

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Speaker 5: whether he should remain leader.

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Speaker 12: You know, who might pickip for leader will be would

1950
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Speaker 12: be Senator Chris Van Holland. I really really hope he's running.

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Speaker 12: And I've said clearly I do not agree with Senator

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Speaker 12: Schumer on almost anything when it comes to the question

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Speaker 12: of continued support for Israel, when it comes to the

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Speaker 12: question of continuing to take corporate money into our politics.

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Speaker 12: And at the same time, I also understand that my

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Speaker 12: critique is bigger than one individual. A lot of folks

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Speaker 12: who don't actually want to level a serious critique on

1958
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Speaker 12: the party about our willingness to take corporate money to

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Speaker 12: pass corporate policy want to blame it all on the

1960
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Speaker 12: feed of one person. And I'm just saying that I

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Speaker 12: don't know who the alternatives are, so show me my alternatives,

1962
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Speaker 12: and I will choose the leader who has the best

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Speaker 12: shot at being able to get money out of politics,

1964
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Speaker 12: but money in pockets and past medicare for all.

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Speaker 8: But I also don't.

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Speaker 12: Want us to get deluded into thinking that the very

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Speaker 12: same people who take the very same corporate money but

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Speaker 12: then tell you that they want to go after Chuck

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Speaker 12: Schumer are actually serious about solving the problem, because they're

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Speaker 12: going to find themselves somebody else who's willing to pass

1971
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Speaker 12: that same exact kind of policy. That continues to launder

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Speaker 12: corporate money into our politics. So it's just it's bigger

1973
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Speaker 12: than one person. You know, My positions have been absolutely

1974
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Speaker 12: clear about where I stand on genocide, where I stand

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Speaker 12: on corporate money and politics, where I stand on Medicare

1976
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Speaker 12: for all, where I stand on abolishing ice, and I'm

1977
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Speaker 12: looking for a leader who could advance those goals, hold

1978
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Speaker 12: this Trump administration accountable for the next two years of

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Speaker 12: this administration, and then get us to a position where

1980
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Speaker 12: we're leading on hope for the things that we can

1981
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Speaker 12: do to actually build the kind of America that we

1982
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Speaker 12: need and deserve.

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Speaker 4: John Jerman, there's only one.

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Speaker 3: Don't dare speak his name, Emily Abdul. I have another question.

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Speaker 1: For you, character for everybody to rally.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, go ahead, So you know, I want to talk

1987
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Speaker 3: about something else that young people care about outside of

1988
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Speaker 3: Hassan Piker, and that's AI.

1989
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Speaker 2: Now, Bernie has been making a lot.

1990
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Speaker 3: About AI data centers wanting to pause AI growth regulate it,

1991
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Speaker 3: and he said things as apocalyptic as it'll change our

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Speaker 3: entire society and it might even destroy the world. Our

1993
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Speaker 3: direct things that Bernie has been saying, we also see

1994
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Speaker 3: with young people their jobs straight out of college are

1995
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Speaker 3: going down and their futures are looking bleaker. Where do

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Speaker 3: you stand on AI and what and how do you

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Speaker 3: want to lead on the issue of AI.

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Speaker 12: Well, I'll tell you this. It definitely has that potential

1999
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Speaker 12: and there are real risks. There's also real opportunities. You know,

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Speaker 12: anybody who's messed around with Claude or chat GPT understands

2001
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Speaker 12: that there's real potential in this technology. The thing about

2002
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Speaker 12: any life changing technology, though, is that you have to

2003
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Speaker 12: balance the risk from the benefit. And the risks that

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Speaker 12: I see coming are manifold. One is that it could

2005
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Speaker 12: potentially fundamentally and inalterably change the social contract when it

2006
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Speaker 12: comes to the ability for people to actually sell their

2007
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Speaker 12: intellectual capital on a market for money to live their lives.

2008
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Speaker 12: And if you are starting to automate out what was

2009
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Speaker 12: traditionally knowledge work out of an economy, where does that

2010
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Speaker 12: go and what do you do when you are now

2011
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Speaker 12: potentially creating a circumstance where fifteen to twenty percent of

2012
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Speaker 12: young people are not just unemployed, but unemployable as a

2013
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Speaker 12: function of it.

2014
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Speaker 8: The second question.

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Speaker 12: Is this topic of p doom right, which used to

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Speaker 12: be a term that they used in the old years

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Speaker 12: of AI, like two years ago, which is the probability

2018
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Speaker 12: that AI would create existential doom.

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Speaker 8: And we know the risks of this.

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Speaker 12: We know that if this falls into the wrong hands,

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Speaker 12: We know that if it's able to escape human control,

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Speaker 12: that there's potentially catastrophic risks there. And then there's the

2023
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Speaker 12: environmental footprint. It's not like AI just happens out of

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Speaker 12: ten air. You need huge amounts of compute, sucking up

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Speaker 12: huge amounts of electricity, potentially using huge amounts of water

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Speaker 12: to cool it, and that has physical consequences in communities

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Speaker 12: like ours.

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Speaker 8: So when it comes to the regulation, I think we

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Speaker 8: need it.

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Speaker 12: And the problem right now is a lot of the

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Speaker 12: folks who understand it best are taking money from the

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Speaker 12: very same corporations who want zero regulation at all, and

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Speaker 12: a lot of the folks who want to regulate are

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Speaker 12: not as close to the technology. I aim to try

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Speaker 12: and solve that as somebody who understands the development of

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Speaker 12: technology and also has not taken money from the corporations

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Speaker 12: that are trying to tell us that somehow they know

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Speaker 12: better for our whole entire future. And when it comes

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Speaker 12: to data centers, I've been very clear we put out

2040
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Speaker 12: in terms of engagement.

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Speaker 8: This has been a live issue.

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Speaker 12: There were fifteen data center projects proposed in Michigan in

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Speaker 12: the last year alone, and there are many many more

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Speaker 12: plated for twenty twenty six. And our terms of engagement

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Speaker 12: are thus, if you want to open a data center

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Speaker 12: in Michigan, you better meet the following terms. Number One,

2047
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Speaker 12: if you're promising jobs, you need to create all the

2048
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Speaker 12: jobs you said you're going to create, and they need

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Speaker 12: to be good, union, local jobs. Number Two, there cannot

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Speaker 12: be any increase in our electricity costs. In fact, you

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Speaker 12: should be invested in reducing costs, and some of the

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Speaker 12: revenue that is passed on to utilities needs to be

2053
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Speaker 12: spent to improve our reliability. Three, there should be closed

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Speaker 12: loop systems, meaning you cannot connect to the water infrastructure

2055
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Speaker 12: to our water resources and thinks that you could just

2056
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Speaker 12: pollute our water to cool your computing in your data centers.

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Speaker 12: For that, there has to be a community benefits agreement

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Speaker 12: that is negotiated and pre paid in terms of what

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Speaker 12: you are going to provide a local community if you're

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Speaker 12: bringing a data center in and then all of this

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Speaker 12: needs to be reinforceable via very very clear, very steep

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Speaker 12: fees to make sure that data center operators are held accountable.

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Speaker 12: That said, I am worried because this is all happening

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Speaker 12: so fast. We're talking about an outlay of money that

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Speaker 12: is greater than the amount of money that we spent

2066
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Speaker 12: to build the federal highway system under Dwight Eisenhower. You're

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Speaker 12: talking about huge amounts of capital. So we need federal legislation.

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Speaker 12: We've needed federal legislation, and you know, things like an

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Speaker 12: actual regulatory agency at the federal level that can hold

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Speaker 12: some of these hyperscalers accountable. The ability to make sure

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Speaker 12: that you know your customer when you're selling them compute,

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Speaker 12: so you're not selling it to some actor who wants

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Speaker 12: to use this for malevolent means. Ability to just make

2074
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Speaker 12: sure we have rigorous testing standards so these.

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Speaker 8: These these models don't go rogue.

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Speaker 12: All of that is stuff we should have had two

2077
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Speaker 12: years ago and we're only now starting to talk about.

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Speaker 12: So we need leaders who both understand this technology and

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Speaker 12: are not bought off by the corporations who are building it.

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Speaker 8: And I'm hoping I can offer that kind of leadership

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Speaker 8: in the Senate.

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Speaker 6: And let me let me ask you one one horse

2083
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Speaker 6: race question for people who aren't following this race. We've

2084
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Speaker 6: talked about Mallory McMorrow, who's kind of running in the

2085
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Speaker 6: Elizabeth Warren maybe center left lanch as of Warren's endorsement,

2086
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:35,439
Speaker 6: trying to be kind of a Goldilocks candidate in between

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Speaker 6: you and Haley Stevens, who's had enormous amount of a

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Speaker 6: PACK support in her previous race and has understood very

2089
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Speaker 6: you know, clearly the APAC candidate here, but seems to

2090
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 6: be hoping for a huge influx of a PAC money,

2091
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 6: which which has not arrived yet. The race is in

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Speaker 6: the duldrums of midst early early August. Is the election,

2093
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Speaker 6: which might you know, could potentially depress the turnout.

2094
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Speaker 2: Poles seem to have it pretty neck and neck and.

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Speaker 6: Neck like a like almost a three three way tie.

2096
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 6: Morro put one out showing her head Stevens, but you're

2097
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Speaker 6: always like, everybody's right within a couple of points. Mcmorro herself.

2098
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Speaker 6: I've seen some of my reporting from a couple of

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Speaker 6: months ago resurfacing lately. Mcmorro herself had, according to one

2100
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Speaker 6: of her top campaign volunteers, sent in a an a

2101
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Speaker 6: PACK questionnaire.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was a DMFI questionnaire. We don't know. She

2103
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Speaker 2: hasn't released it.

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Speaker 6: That was supposedly very very They loved it, like the

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Speaker 6: pro Israel lobby loved it in hopes of not necessarily

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Speaker 6: getting a pack spending on her behalf, but keeping a

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Speaker 6: pack from supporting Haley Stevens. So with a three way race,

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Speaker 6: it's tricky like if they you know, if they spend

2109
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Speaker 6: money attacking you, they could boost mcmorro and they still lose.

2110
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Speaker 6: If they don't, maybe then you edge it out, like

2111
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Speaker 6: what are you hearing kind of through the grape vine

2112
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Speaker 6: about where APAC is in this race, what mcmorro's trying

2113
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Speaker 6: to do, what Stevens is trying to do, and you know,

2114
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Speaker 6: what's the path in the next few months that allows

2115
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Speaker 6: you to kind of break out of this three way stalemate.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well, you're right. Both of my opponents just released

2117
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Speaker 8: poll numbers.

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Speaker 12: In one of their polls, I have the highest favorability

2119
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Speaker 12: in the other poll, after all the voters are informed,

2120
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Speaker 12: I go up over the other two. That puts us

2121
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:32,640
Speaker 12: in some really good positioning. When both of your opponents

2122
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Speaker 12: internal polls show you pretty strong, you recognize why it

2123
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Speaker 12: is that they are now engaging in what seems to

2124
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Speaker 12: be a pretty coordinated smear campaign about a campaign event

2125
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Speaker 12: I'm doing with a Twitch streamer. So all of that

2126
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Speaker 12: is to say, you know, I don't know what they're

2127
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Speaker 12: trying to do. I'm not in those camps. I'm just

2128
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Speaker 12: a lot more focused on having a conversation with the

2129
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Speaker 12: folks in my state. They understand that I've run before,

2130
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Speaker 12: and I'm saying the exact same things I said then now.

2131
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Speaker 8: I want to get money out of politics.

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01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:04,400
Speaker 12: I think corporations have choked our economy out for their

2133
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Speaker 12: best interest and against ours. In the eight years since

2134
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Speaker 12: I started saying it, it's all just gotten worse.

2135
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Speaker 8: It's less affordable than it was. I want to guarantee

2136
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Speaker 8: you healthcare because I know we could do it. I

2137
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Speaker 8: literally wrote a book about how to do that.

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Speaker 12: And I want to make sure that we're standing with

2139
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Speaker 12: unions and small businesses rather than big corporations who automate

2140
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Speaker 12: away our jobs. That's what I've always been about, and

2141
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Speaker 12: we're going to continue to take our campaign across the state.

2142
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Speaker 8: We've been in ninety cities now, three hundred public events.

2143
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Speaker 8: We know that our campaign is resonating.

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Speaker 12: I also know that because of my clarity about my

2145
01:55:35,600 --> 01:55:39,000
Speaker 12: values when it comes to fundational human rights for Palestinians,

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Speaker 12: in the fact that I don't think a special interest

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Speaker 12: funded by MAGA billionaire should be able to sway our

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Speaker 12: foreign policy in the form of APAC that they're going

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Speaker 12: to spend huge amounts of money to beat me. And

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Speaker 12: so I ask good people if they believe in a

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Speaker 12: politics where we believe in human rights for literally everybody,

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Speaker 12: where we believe in the equal rights to dignity and

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Speaker 12: self determined nation for Jewish Israelis and Palestinians alike. If

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Speaker 12: you believe that corporations and special interests shouldn't be able

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Speaker 12: to buy our politics, I hope that you'll support us.

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Speaker 12: Go to abdulforsenate dot com and invest. At the end

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Speaker 12: of the day, my job is to have that connection

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Speaker 12: with Michigan Anders. We know that there's going to be

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Speaker 12: tremendous amounts of corporate and special interest money slashing around

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Speaker 12: and I'm just asking good people if you believe in

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Speaker 12: my brand of politics and want to see somebody in

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Speaker 12: the US Senate who's trying to be honest with you

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Speaker 12: about what we can have, not trying to tell you

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Speaker 12: what you can't have, And shouldn't fight for not trying

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Speaker 12: to tell you corporate talking points that are washed through

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Speaker 12: a campaign.

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Speaker 8: Then I hope folks will support us.

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Speaker 3: All right, Well, thank you, doctor Crystal. I think I'll

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Speaker 3: do unless you have any final questions, Nope, that'll do it,

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Speaker 3: all right, Well, good luck doctor.

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Speaker 2: And when is this rally happening? This infamous rally.

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Speaker 12: April seventh. If you're an in Arbor or if you're

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Speaker 12: an East Lansing, come on through. We'd love to see you. Okay,

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Speaker 12: very cool. We'll leave all that in a link in

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Speaker 12: the description. Thank you for joining us, and we'll speak

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Speaker 12: to you against it by Dulah.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, thanks you all, appreciate you.

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Speaker 3: All right, that's gonna wrap us out for this Friday show. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: thanks Abdul, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 13: Thanks all right, Crystal, return for the end end line here.

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Speaker 1: Of the swop down.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I it's yes.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if we want to talk

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Speaker 3: anymore about all all this mirror stuff. We got through

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Speaker 3: plenty in the interview, but I just have to say

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Speaker 3: with the Hassan stuff, like the real truth bomb is

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Speaker 3: Hassan is probably one of the biggest bulwarks against anti

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Speaker 3: Semitism on the lat out of anywhere, because there are

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Speaker 3: a lot of other content creators out there that are

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Speaker 3: far less measured and consistent and want to conflate the

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Speaker 3: two because yes, I think it's good for the growth,

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Speaker 3: that's right.

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Speaker 5: Yes they like to flirt with it because yes, because

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Speaker 5: there's a big audience for it. And then the other

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Speaker 5: thing is that, you know, you have a lot of

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Speaker 5: young men who it's like, which way Western man Nick

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Speaker 5: Fuentes or Hassan Piper wants the Jews right, And so

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Speaker 5: look if you're looking at you know, Israel pressuring it.

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Speaker 5: Look again, Donald Trump got us into the war with

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Speaker 5: a run, but Israel no doubt wanted us there. And

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Speaker 5: you're watching them committed genocide and all in these like

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Speaker 5: speech crackdowns, et cetera. And you don't have the left

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Speaker 5: perspective offered by a Hassan Piker who is not talking

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Speaker 5: about the Jews, but is talking about you know, international

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Speaker 5: human rights and everybody having equal rights, and that Israel

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Speaker 5: does not reflect the entirety of the Jewish people, even

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Speaker 5: though they claim that they do. And that is what

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Speaker 5: is part of what is creating this anti Semitism. If

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Speaker 5: you don't have that and all you're hearing is Nick Fuentez,

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Speaker 5: you might think that that neo Nazi worldview makes some sense.

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Speaker 5: So I think you're absolutely right about that Griffin, that

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Speaker 5: he is incredibly important.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when I.

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Speaker 5: Hear him talk, for example, about Tucker Carlson, he's always

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Speaker 5: very careful to talk about, like, you know, the problems

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Speaker 5: with Tucker's worldview overall, even in the context of like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: you did a great job at Ted Cruise. Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: did a great job with my Kaka beat, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: So I completely agree with that point.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, yeah, just they got to be careful

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Speaker 3: because it does seem like the liberal centrist Dems have

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Speaker 3: been trying to figure out where how do they because

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Speaker 3: the left is on the rise, how do they articulate

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Speaker 3: a difference? And if this is what they're going to articulate,

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Speaker 3: that Hassan Piker is like Nick Fuentes, like, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: Mallory mcmarlw you're not ready for primetime, Like this is

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Speaker 3: not You cannot walk out on stage and say that

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Speaker 3: with the straight face.

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Speaker 2: It's absolutely ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at someone like Gavin Newsome, what

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Speaker 3: did he do at the election? He had Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 3: Ben Shapiro, Steve fucking Bannon, and there wasn't any smoke for.

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Speaker 2: Any of those people at all.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, having those conversations, I mean, I think it just

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Speaker 5: smacks of desperation because you know, I mean, the polls

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Speaker 5: that have just come out do look pretty good for

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Speaker 5: Abdul seem to show him gaining some steam, and more broadly,

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Speaker 5: like like I was saying, the pro Zionist you know,

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Speaker 5: like everything for Israel, always Israel, whatever Israel wants. Crowd

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Speaker 5: recognizes that they're in a really dire position with the

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Speaker 5: base of the Democratic Party. I mean, the recent poll

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Speaker 5: that came out, I think only thirteen percent of Democrats

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Speaker 5: had a favorable view of Israel thirteen percent, And that's

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Speaker 5: one of the honestly, that's one of the better polls

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Speaker 5: I've seen for Israel with the Democratic base at this point. So,

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Speaker 5: you know, they're trying all kinds of desperate tactics, like

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Speaker 5: all the you know, shenanigans they pulled in Illinois, for example,

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Speaker 5: And so I'm curious to see what they end up doing,

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Speaker 5: how they end up playing in this race because they

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Speaker 5: are trying to figure out they recognize that they've won

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Speaker 5: these sort of democratic debate, so now it's you know,

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Speaker 5: the small democratic debate, and so now it's how can

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Speaker 5: we use all these sort of like you know, shady

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Speaker 5: tactics to ob the skate and confuse and none of

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Speaker 5: it has anything to do with Israel of course, the

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Speaker 5: ads that they're running in all of that, but you know,

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Speaker 5: that's that's kind of where they are. And so this

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Speaker 5: is the latest tactic they've deployed of like, oh, if

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Speaker 5: you have anything to do with a son Piker, then

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Speaker 5: you are an anti Semite.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: And this is also as a song has been doing

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Speaker 3: more candidate interviews. So the Democratic Party is realizing that

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Speaker 3: he is becoming the Joe Rogan of the left, that

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Speaker 3: if you are a candidate that wants to get out there,

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Speaker 3: you have to go sit down next to him and

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Speaker 3: you have to have good answers, and that can't be acceptable,

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Speaker 3: like Hevin.

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Speaker 2: Newton was going to be about to do it at

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Speaker 2: least and then he backed down. But yeah, exactly, and.

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Speaker 5: Interesting that Steve Mannon is fine for Piker too far. Well,

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Speaker 5: I'll just in that vein. I'll mention that you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm hosting this event Progressive Victory asked me to along

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Speaker 5: with a bunch of candidates who are running in some

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Speaker 5: existing office holders, and Hassan Piker will be involved.

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Speaker 1: So I guess every.

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Speaker 5: One of those very many candidates are involved in this event,

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Speaker 5: which is which is tomorrow evening. I guess all of

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Speaker 5: them decided that the risk was decidedly worth it for

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Speaker 5: them in terms of their campaigns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe they can go on the Third Way live

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Speaker 3: stream with like ten concurrent viewers, right.

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Speaker 2: And so it's not even it's almost not even a.

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Speaker 1: Risk, all of them big donors.

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Speaker 6: Though the cost benefit is the benefit is you get

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Speaker 6: the boost, you get the publicity. The cost is that

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Speaker 6: Jonathan Greenblad attacks you, an APAC attacks you. That's not

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Speaker 6: even a cost anymore.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just a point of pride.

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Speaker 2: That's a benefit.

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Speaker 6: So it's benefit benefit at this point, Like, oh, Third

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Speaker 6: Way doesn't like this candidate, all right, let me learn

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Speaker 6: more about that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's funny you say that because I

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Speaker 5: add that same reaction to this whole flop with Abdul,

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Speaker 5: where the polls have been very close and most of

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Speaker 5: the polls have had him, you know, slightly behind the

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Speaker 5: other two candidates, and then with all of this, I'm like,

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Speaker 5: they're only going to help him with this. You know,

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Speaker 5: this is only going to help too, because what he

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Speaker 5: needed was, in my opinion, you know, watching from Afar

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Speaker 5: and not following the race all that closely. But it

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Speaker 5: was a challenge for him to try to separate with

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Speaker 5: Mallory McMorrow. You know, the difference with Haley Steem is

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Speaker 5: very clear, but she's trying to find this way of

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Speaker 5: massaging these issues and sort of making it unclear which

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Speaker 5: one of them is really the quote unquote progressive candidate.

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Speaker 5: And you know, this helps draw a pretty bright red

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Speaker 5: line for him, which is something that he had, you know,

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Speaker 5: my estimation had been kind of a challenge for them

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Speaker 5: in the campaign.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: All right, well we'll see all that. There'll be links

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Speaker 2: emailed out to everyone for those live streams that Crystal

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Speaker 2: will be attending, and of course we will continue monitoring

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Speaker 2: the situation as markets close in just a few hours,

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Speaker 2: so I'm sure we're expecting quite a lot of news

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Speaker 2: updates in the next couple of hours. It's great, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we should just show the work on the weekends.

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Speaker 5: Cash Mattel's personal email was hacked, so hopefully we will

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Speaker 5: okay things from that too.

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Speaker 2: It's another thing, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, Keystone Cash is sending some crazy things on email

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Speaker 5: that he should not be sending.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent look look for that and more and

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Speaker 3: if not, we'll see you on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye