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You know 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: him from the Josh Py College Football Show. He's great 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: comes on the Herd volume. As many times as we 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: can get him on, we're going to I don't know 22 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: if you've been on the Herd yet. We'll get you on, 23 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: I promise. So I defended James Franklin for years. I 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: was like, listen, he's losing to Ohio State and Michigan. 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,279 Speaker 1: You know, he's losing to the right people. I thought, 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: you're a favorite. You've got a lot of high end 27 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: first round draft guys. You gotta win that game. But 28 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: it was funny because I'm you know, I was watching. 29 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: I don't go online very much, especially to like fan boards, 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: but I did. I went to Penn State fan boards 31 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: just to see their reaction and then YEA, we want 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: him out of here. He's a bum. And my take 33 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: is James Franklin is kind of what I think most 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: college football coaches are. There's Kirby, there's Pete Carroll, there's 35 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: Nick Saban, there's Urban Meyer. I think Chris Peterson's one 36 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,399 Speaker 1: of those. There's Dabbo, there's like in any industry, there's 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: like one percent, and then there's a bunch of guys 38 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: that are almost as good but may not recruit as 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: well or they're not schematically as good. And I think 40 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: James Franklin's in that. And I think if you gave 41 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: James Franklin Dante Moore and Dan Lanning Drew Aller, they 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: would have won the game. So I still think Franklin 43 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: is a top of the class, not a top six, 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: but somewhere seven to fifteen in a sport with one 45 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: hundred and forty you know, FBS schools. Or if you 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: lost faith in him after a game in which you're 47 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: a favorite at home, probably the better backfield and NFL 48 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: quarterback prospect, where do you land on him today? 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: I don't think any differently of him. But I treated 50 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: the Oregon game way way bigger than I've ever treated 51 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 2: a football game. And so I got to tell you 52 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: a little backstory. You and I. I've apparently been singing 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: out of the same hymnal as me Mal would say 54 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: about James Franklin, because he is very very good. Never 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: used the word elite, never used the word great, just 56 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: very very good, an eighth thrunger what we would call him, 57 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 2: an eighth thrunger on a ten rung ladder. Yeah, so 58 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 2: I remember, even in the spring. I've been up there 59 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 2: a couple of times over the past few months. They 60 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 2: never shied away from this concept that this year we're 61 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: all in, kind of what Ohio State sounded like last 62 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: year when I visited them in spring. We're all in. 63 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: We're making no excuses or apologies about it. We're all in, 64 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: all right. So every every external dynamic edge imaginable you 65 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: have on that organ game, they got a travel cross country, 66 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: you got the bye, you got the experienced roster, they 67 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: got newness everywhere you should. You got a way more 68 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: experienced than veteran coaching staff. So all of that wind out. 69 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: You finally got it in primetime. I just felt like 70 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: it was such a referendum moment. It's such an inflection 71 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: point in time in the James Franklin Penn State era, 72 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: and I know, coming out of it, if you really 73 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: want to just you know, shred the argument. You could say, 74 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: it's just one game, it's just one conference game, they 75 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: went to overtime. It's so much more than that. Anyone 76 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: pretending otherwise is just ignorant of Penn State football and 77 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: ignorant of the situation. So I think a whole new 78 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: timeline started the other night. I said this on the 79 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: following night's show. It may sound hyperbolic, but I'm dead 80 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: serious about it. I think a whole new timeline got started. 81 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: Now here's what we cannot know yet. We can't know 82 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: which flavor of timeline it is, because you could sell 83 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: me on either of these things being the case in 84 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine, and I could believe you. You could sell 85 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: me number one, Franklin's no longer at Penn State because 86 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: that Oregon game precipitated this really ugly slip down this 87 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: slope where eventually neither wanted anything to do with the other. 88 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: Maybe they just cut ties, maybe it got really contentious, 89 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: but he's not there in a couple of years. I 90 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: could see that. I could also see him believing everything 91 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 2: that I'm saying and you're saying about that game that 92 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 2: was the referendum game. This is where it's going to 93 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 2: be the ultimate test of my way of doing things, 94 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 2: the way I've built Penn State. And I think it 95 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: was such a reminder that your best, given your current 96 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: modus operandi, is not going to be good enough. All right, 97 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: that's the absolute peak of this version of you of 98 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: Penn State football, and it got taken down by probably Oregon, 99 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: not even close to ascending to what they will become. 100 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 2: So I could see him driving home that night, I 101 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 2: could see him waking up the next morning just it's 102 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,119 Speaker 2: just you and you in the bathroom mirror and saying 103 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: to yourself, this is it. Several degrees of change are 104 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: needed here. Here there just rigid principles you've never bent on, 105 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: you're willing to bend on. Now there's a third rail 106 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 2: where he doesn't know to do any of that, and 107 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 2: it just is what it is. I don't know where 108 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: we're going with it, but I sense the same thing 109 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: you did. Even the portion of the fan base, Like 110 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 2: I've got some Penn State folks on my staff who 111 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 2: were the last holdouts who always sort of shouted down 112 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: the radical portion of the fan base when they would 113 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: criticize him. Fire James Franklin after a loss, and they 114 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: they didn't get overly emotional, which is what I noticed. 115 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 2: They were almost I don't know, they were apathetic afterwards, 116 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 2: and it was kind of a shrug and well, we 117 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: know he's never going to be bad enough to fire, 118 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: but we were also resigned to the fact that this 119 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: is this confirmation we're never going to see the mountaintop. 120 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, It's funny. Anytime Dan Landing wins 121 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: a big game, everybody's like, you know, he's going back 122 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: to the SEC, And I'm like, folks, Oregon has the richest, 123 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: most committed booster in the sport. Their facilities are insane, 124 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: unbelievable home field advantage, and now they're in the first 125 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: of the second best conference. It didn't validate like when Oregon, 126 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: remember when they finished number two in the country. They 127 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: beat Colorado and and but I cover that team. They 128 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: were small defensively, they have a couple of good corners. Defensively, 129 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: they didn't have NFL bodies. They've always had good quarterbacks 130 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: and clever offenses. It was sort of like Harbaugh's first 131 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: team at Michigan that won ten games, and you're like, yeah, 132 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: but they don't look like Georgia. They don't even look 133 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: like Georgia. Eight years later you're like, that looks a 134 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: little bit like Georgia. Notre Dame Brian Kelly remember that. 135 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: They get to a national championship game and you're like, well, 136 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: at halftime he was laughing. He's like, yeah, we're not. 137 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: You got to do better than we tried. 138 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 2: We tried, guys, we tried. 139 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: Oregon's not that Oregon's a great job. You don't leave Oregon. 140 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: Like there's seven or eight jobs you don't leave if 141 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: you're winning at USC, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan. 142 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: Just stay. I think Oregon is in that class. But 143 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: it's remarkable how often every time Dan Landing, like he 144 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: beats Ohio State, you know he's gonna get job offers 145 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: in the SEC. Would you leave if you were Landing 146 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: and Auburn Clemson offered you a job. 147 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: No, My answer would have been different ten years ago. 148 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: No. 149 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: I think I can accomplish everything there that I can 150 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: accomplish elsewhere. I don't really think people know this. Look, 151 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: here's what anyone needs to understand. Dan's not leaving Oregon. 152 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: He's not leaving Oregon because at Oregon it's the only 153 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: place where you have a deal with the school and 154 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: you've got a separate deal with Phil Knight. Basically, I mean, 155 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: we talk about buyouts all the time, and typically you're 156 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 2: talking about, oh, it's going to cost eight million, ten million, 157 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: twelve million. When you really understand Dan Lanning's life there, 158 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 2: you're talking about a forty to fifty million dollar buyout's 159 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 2: No one's willing to hit that, nor should they. And 160 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: even if it wasn't that, so let's pretend that wasn't 161 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: the case. Let's just pretend all the rest of the 162 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 2: dynamics were in place at Oregon. You mentioned facilities. Another 163 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: thing people need to know is when you go up there. 164 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: Right now, you sit in his office, you look out, 165 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: it's cranes everywhere, it's earth moving everywhere because they're over 166 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: hauling it again. So this time next year they'll be 167 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: ahead of the pack again on that front. But I 168 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: just want, I just want you and I everyone else 169 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,079 Speaker 2: go back to that game against Penn State the other 170 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 2: night and understand what you watched. Oregon they recruited a 171 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: very high level already. They've mastered evaluation in the portal. 172 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: You can't have one of those things without the other, okay, 173 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: otherwise you're just lighting money on fire. Nebraska spent over 174 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: a million dollars on the right tackle that hasn't seen 175 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,239 Speaker 2: the field, so you got to be able to evaluate 176 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: as well. Marshall Malcow is a really good dude. Running 177 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: point for Dan landing up there, but Landing himself and 178 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: that staff they are really really good at Evaling. So 179 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 2: you turn on the Penn State game the other night. 180 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: They've got eleven guys they took out of the portal. 181 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 2: I think I counted ten of them are contributing big time. 182 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: They got three starting offensive linemen. They've got multiple dbs. 183 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: In fact, the guy that people were most crazy about, 184 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: Makai Hughes, the tailback that came from Tulane. That's the 185 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: only one that you would call quote unquote a bust. 186 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: And he's not really bus. He's just a depth provider, right. 187 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 2: They they're doing stuff, in other words, that you used 188 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: to get told you couldn't do. It was a chore. 189 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: You had to clear the hurdle one hundred and fifty 190 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 2: percent of what the Southern schools did to get talent there. 191 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 2: You don't have to anymore. You don't have to, So 192 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: what's the downside. As long as you don't mind a 193 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: couple of extra hours on your plane rides every now 194 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: and then, you've got it set up there. He's not 195 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: lying when he says they're all in on living an 196 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: organ like. He's not lying about that. They just happen 197 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: to find the right guy from the South who is 198 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: the closest removed to a Nick Saban to Kirby Smart 199 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 2: to now Dan Lanny. He looks like a psychopath. His 200 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: eyes are really like that, even when he just talks 201 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 2: to you on a normal Tuesday over lunch. It fits. 202 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 2: It's taken everything that you think is a stereotype because 203 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: it's kind of true about Southern football culture and what's 204 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: one down there forever and you just transplanted it up 205 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: to Oregon at the best of times. 206 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: So you and I were at the USC Illinois game 207 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: and thank god I had cover because that stadium doesn't 208 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: have much and it was hot as hell. It was hot. 209 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 2: So I went to the Georgia game later that night 210 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: and they cooled off. I got cooler as I went 211 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: down there. 212 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: So we can argue about did they score too quickly? 213 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: There's certainly an argument both sides. I think I tend 214 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: to think when you're on the road and you can 215 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: get a touchdown, get it. But I could be wrong. 216 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: But one thing that has been brought up, and I 217 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: think it's fair. When he Lincoln Roddy was at Oklahoma, 218 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: they did run the football, but the defense didn't feel 219 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: like it made big stops in big moments. That was 220 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: kind of the knock. They were like Oklahoma under Stoops 221 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: was a little bit more physical. So when Brett Venables 222 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: took over for Lincoln, that's what he talked about, a 223 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: culture of toughness. We're going to get more physical. There 224 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:05,199 Speaker 1: was this in reputations can be somewhat generalizing or stereotypes, 225 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: but there's some truth, grains of truth and everything, and 226 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: so it was like they're wide, it's for wide. There 227 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: were little softs of Brett Venables like we're getting better off, 228 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: we're getting tougher. So he comes to USC. So Alex 229 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 1: Grinch is a disaster, but he got on the plane. 230 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: And we've talked about this. When you take a new job, 231 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: whoever gets on the plane, they move their family. You 232 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: got to keep them for two years. So he goes 233 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: and hires Danton Lynn. UCLA's very very smart defensive coordinator, 234 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: very good and immediately without great personnel, you're like, oh, 235 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: this is an upgrade. And then I watch him against 236 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: Illinois and Illinois got dashed by Indiana. Illinois had struggled 237 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: with offensive line protection. I watch USC and they're young. 238 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: In some spots in the d front seven, they got 239 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: pushed around. They didn't they didn't offer there weren't I 240 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: mean you were there. There were big running lanes, like 241 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: on every big third down once or twice the quarterback 242 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: was rushed. And my take is, and this was suggested, 243 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: is is it practice? Is there an element of this 244 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: up Temple offense that over the course of time, even 245 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: Lynn's defense up Temple, it's getting softer. And my take is, 246 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: we all know there's a certain style from about October 247 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: fifteenth on, it gets cold, it gets windy. I mean, 248 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: they couldn't close out games last year, Josh against Maryland, 249 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: against Minnesota, they couldn't run the ball. Do you think 250 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: there is truth in this that, oh my god, we 251 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: got the right defensive coordinator and we can't go on 252 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: the road and play smash mouth defensive in your face 253 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: football already. 254 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, there can be Okay, I would counter with this. 255 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: Josh Hipel just won with defense last year. Josh Hipel 256 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: went to the playoff at Tennessee. And you and I 257 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: know good andwell not only the offense he runs, but 258 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 2: the tempo they're practicing. Yet a Tennessee offense is chaos, 259 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 2: or a Tennessee practice is chaos. And yet somehow Tim 260 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: Banks and that defense not only fortified themselves last year, 261 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: they built themselves to where when Niko and Maliava couldn't 262 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 2: push the ball down the field when it was three 263 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 2: and out, defense carried Tennessee. They didn't win a national title, 264 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 2: they got to the playoff, which was further than anyone 265 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: expected them to go. So the first thing I would 266 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: do is I'd answer your question yes, and then I 267 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: would say they aught to look at Tennessee. They aught 268 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: to look at whatever Josh Hipel has figured out a 269 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 2: way to do. The other part of that is, though 270 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: you remember what was it like two years ago now, 271 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: after that season where they made the staff changes. I 272 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: remember Lincoln as playing his day. He's sat there and 273 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 2: he's just kind of reset the program, and he was 274 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 2: talking to the media and he was talking about how 275 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: we are leaving no stone unturned, We're going to reinvent 276 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: the way we do this and that, and one of 277 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: the things he said was, we're going to rethink the 278 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 2: way we practice. This is going to be a top 279 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: to bottom overhaul. Well, that's what he was talking about. 280 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 2: That's what you can't do overnight. You can't just overhaul 281 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: the roster overnight with the kind of bodies they need. 282 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: And so I still there's a part of me that 283 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: thinks there's a lot of validity what you're saying. But 284 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: I still think to myself, if they change nothing else, 285 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: but I give them another cycle portal in recruiting to 286 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: go just bring in the bigger bodies, which I trust 287 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: that they'll do. How different does it look? Just how 288 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: different does does better talent make it look? Because when 289 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: we went to that game the other day, that's one 290 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: of the games where I made it a point to 291 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: stand in the end zone because I wanted to see 292 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: that early on, I wanted to see that it was 293 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: so glaring, they got pushed around, they got put on skates, 294 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: it was so glaring. And then I, you know, you 295 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 2: work your way over to the USC sideline and they 296 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 2: just you can so clearly pick up on the fact 297 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: that they know what's happening to them. They know there's 298 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: not a whole lot they can do about it. They're 299 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: gonna they're gonna need picks, interceptions during his special teams. 300 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: They're gonna it. It's tough because you know, the jutstaposition 301 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: to that is later that night you go down to 302 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: Athens and you're talking Alabama Georgian and it's just non 303 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: negotiables for both of those teams. We're gonna load up 304 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 2: on big bodies. You know, the concept of us getting 305 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: beaten because we're second best physically, it's not even in 306 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: their it's not even in their lingo. They don't even 307 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: understand how to speak that they don't win all the games. 308 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: But it's not because of what happened to USC. So 309 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: you're still sitting there waiting for it. I'm still sitting 310 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 2: here waiting on it. They made front office changes, Okay, 311 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: they've got a high rated recruiting class right now. I 312 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: don't doubt they'll try and attack the portal like no 313 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 2: one's business this upcoming winter cycle. I just hope philosophically 314 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: that's where it is. Like, I hope those changes have 315 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: been made to where it's just better players. 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Gambling problem called one eight 349 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: hundred gambler Arizona, Colorado, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Tennessee, Virginia. 350 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: So when Kaylin de Bor got hired, Greg Byrn texted 351 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: me after a tweet, I sind, kind of thank me. 352 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: I think a little bit for the perspective I had, 353 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: because after Kylen beat Georgia, I said, you know, the media, 354 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: myself included in fans, success is hard and it doesn't 355 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: come as fast as we want, and so it's difficult 356 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: and it gets people get worked up. And I'm like, 357 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: Kaylin de Bor was a hard hire. Dan Lannings from 358 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: the South, Dabbo Sweeney was popular. I mean, they're they're 359 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin there were a lot of potential hires post Saban. 360 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: You could have argued they weren't going to get Sark 361 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: because Texas money. But you could have gone after a Lane, 362 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: a dabble, a Dan Lanning, and he didn't. He went 363 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: and got a Midwest guy that was at Washington three 364 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: thousand miles away, and it's easy to go, Oh, he's 365 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: got a great resume. The South is different, the intensity 366 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: is different. Some Midwest Western people like Chip Kelly. One 367 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: time when they were I think he was offered Florida. 368 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: He's like, that's too much. I thought Philadelphia was rough, 369 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,239 Speaker 1: but it's too much for me. And Jim McElwain, who 370 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: I knew from college, is like, yeah, this is different. 371 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: I'm more West, Midwest guy, and but I don't people 372 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: tend to think, Josh. Everybody knows that if you're Jim 373 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: Harbaugh and you go to the Chargers to replace Brandon Staley, 374 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: you have to change the culture. It's a disaster. But 375 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: people think it's easy when you go to Alabama and 376 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: you'll replace save it. 377 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 2: Well, you don't have to change the culture. 378 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: Well, yes you do. You have to be authentic to yourself, 379 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: you have to be author it doesn't matter what I 380 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: replaced Tony Corneiser. 381 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 2: He was great. 382 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: I still didn't do the same show Tony did, right, 383 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: I did a different show, so I had there were 384 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: elements of the show you have to change. You have 385 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: to change certain things. And that's not a knock, It's 386 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: just that's the is. I think Alabama was a tougher 387 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: job than you think. The pressure is enormous. They were 388 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: struggling in the NIL to play to go to the top, 389 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: wrong with some Ohio states and Georgia's And when they 390 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: won that game, I found myself rooting for Alabama in 391 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: that first half. I was like, God, this is good coaching, Jesus, 392 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: this is good play calling, this is this is as 393 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: big a regular season when including Saban in like five years. 394 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: I thought it was so significant. And they've beaten Georgia 395 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: plenty of times. Did you feel it felt more like that, 396 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: a more of a beyond just a win at Georgia. 397 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: It felt like, Okay, this is the moment. 398 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 2: I think it's one of the biggest games for the 399 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: program this decade, that goes back to when Saban is 400 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: still there. Yes, I could not. You cannot overstate the impact. 401 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 2: I mean think about where we are. We were talking 402 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 2: about inflection point with James Franklin. Okay, different standard at Alabama. 403 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 2: They've won their championships, but it was under the previous guy, 404 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: new guy, you don't know really, and go into the 405 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: alternate universe where they lose that game and they're coming 406 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 2: out of Athens already a two loss team and you 407 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: still got the rest of your conference schedule to go. 408 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: You probably have four minimum losses staring you in the face, 409 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: and what do you do? You mentioned Greg byrn buddy, 410 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: the only I wish you could have seen his face 411 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: walking off that field Saturday night. Greg Byrne was the 412 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 2: most relieved person in the entire building. That's the athletic 413 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 2: director at Alabama for those unfamiliar like because his reputations 414 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 2: on the line with this higher as well. And the 415 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: thing is, Greg Burn's never doubted for a second that 416 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 2: Kaylin de Boor is made of the right stuff. But 417 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 2: you don't play one hundred and sixty two college football games, 418 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: so it just comes down to these moments, like these 419 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: these key third downs, and you know a sequence here 420 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 2: and there that's going to determine whether you're a success 421 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: or a failure. That season. I got to tell you 422 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 2: about Deboor when he got there. I use the word ignorant. 423 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: Ignorant is not lack of intelligence. Ignorance is sometimes you 424 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 2: haven't experienced something. And I think he was maybe a 425 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: little bit ignorant to what you're talking about, the true 426 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 2: Southern football dynamic, Like I think he looked at it. 427 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: And I know this because I talked to him about it. 428 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 2: I mean, he just talked about winning principles, and he's right, 429 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 2: the same stuff wins everywhere. It's just the surroundings, the 430 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: externals are way different in the South than they are 431 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 2: anywhere not named. Ohio State basically out tried this. 432 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: I've said that for years Ohio State's and SEC team 433 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: North that's the only one. 434 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So he got thrown into that. And I just 435 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: as much as you're try and wall yourself off from it, 436 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 2: it's really impossible. You cannot wall yourself off from it. 437 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 2: So I got to tell you now, people who have 438 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: observed him from the outside may not see this. If 439 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 2: you've been around Kaylan, or even if you're just like 440 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: a fan of the program, you follow him closer. He 441 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: since that Florida State game earlier this year, has been 442 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 2: like the third verse of lose Yourself, the part where 443 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: it's just it's no more games. I've been cut. I'm 444 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: bleeding all over the place. But I kind of get 445 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 2: it now. I kind of understand, like you get thrown 446 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 2: into the pot and it starts to boil and it 447 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 2: either consumes you or you adjust and then you thrive 448 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 2: in that environment. That's what I wondered about him, because 449 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: I knew this time was coming. It doesn't Saban didn't 450 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 2: avoid it at Alabama and he may be the greatest 451 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: of all time. Urban didn't avoid it at Florida. No 452 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,479 Speaker 2: one avoids it. It's do you adapt to it and 453 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: thrive in it? Because that's the one or two percent 454 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 2: that are cut out to coach in the SEC and 455 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: major college football. And I'm telling you, it's like it's 456 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: like putting new keys in the ignition and it's kind 457 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: of turned in him and there's a lot of what 458 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: we would call degaffness dgaf neis that he kind of 459 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 2: has about himself that is very indicative of someone who 460 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: is now adjusted and who is acclimated to their surroundings. 461 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: And basically looked back and said, all right, game on. 462 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 2: If this is how it works down here. Game on. 463 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: You mentioned the coaching job they did the other night, Buddy, 464 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: that's an NFL coaching staff on that offensive side of 465 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 2: them they got, I mean, Ryan Grubb literally came there 466 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 2: when it didn't work out in Seattle. But they worked 467 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: Georgia's defensive staff pretty thoroughly. And think about the sentence 468 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 2: that just came out of my mouth, because you don't 469 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,239 Speaker 2: really say that about anyone. And so now you know 470 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: their reward is they get to play Vandy this week. 471 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 2: And what stood out to me the most, and I 472 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 2: can't believe this is a sentence coming out of my 473 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 2: mouth either, to just give you an idea of how 474 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: that program's wired. Right now, they're walking off the field 475 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 2: in Athens, huge win, and they're no more headed into 476 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: the locker room than half the locker rooms talking about 477 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 2: the Vandy game. Half of them are in the locker room. 478 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: They're in Sandford Stadium. They're already looking ahead to the 479 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: Vandy game because that was the cattle pride to their 480 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 2: neck last year that they never fully recovered from. So 481 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: as much as the public circle at Georgia game, they 482 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 2: were already well aware before they left the building of 483 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 2: what's next week? Diego Pavia coming in there next week? 484 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 2: Their super Bowl last year. All right, they come into 485 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: our building. College game Day is going to be there. 486 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 2: So it was an eye opener to me because I 487 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: hadn't I hadn't been to Abama game this year in person, 488 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 2: so I hadn't been around them in person. Yeah, I 489 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 2: think that FSU game did something to him and it 490 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 2: may end up being the biggest blessing they could ever 491 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 2: suffer from, if that makes any sense. 492 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. When I worked in Tampa for two years, I 493 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: really learned because I love college football, but i'd grown 494 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: up around Oregon. Washington was a great program, and I 495 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell was a photographer. He's still employee at WTVT. 496 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: I think it is Channel thirteen. And we went to 497 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: do a story on like Tuesday or Wednesday. Spurry Or 498 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: was the coach of Florida, and we went down there 499 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: and there were already fans parked in the parking lot 500 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 1: tail getting. It was Wednesday, and I'm like, I go 501 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: to Husky games like Friday night, maybe late Friday afternoon. 502 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: You'd show up at Husky Stadium. They were there Wednesday 503 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: and they'd been there. I mean, they had the they 504 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: had they're you know, they're cooking utensils out, they were 505 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: sitting in the chairs, playing you know, poker, and I'm like, wow, 506 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: this is different. And then the funny thing is i 507 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: remember listening to Southern smaller market radio and I'm like. 508 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: Bro, it is. 509 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: March and that's all they're talking about. 510 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, you gotta you gotta live it. You have 511 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 2: to have experienced it. Because the first job I ever 512 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 2: got on air was fifteen eighty is wiol and Columbus, Georgia, 513 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 2: and it's it's in the heart, it's right there. Auburn, Alabama, Georgia, 514 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: FSU Florida, Clemson, South Carolina. The most underrated market in 515 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: the South. It's like market one P thirty something in 516 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 2: the country, but in the South. If you want to 517 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,239 Speaker 2: talk college football, it's great. And you could take a 518 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: random Wednesday in June NBA Finals could be going on, 519 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. We're talking about the right side of 520 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,120 Speaker 2: the offensive line, not the one deep colin. We're talking 521 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: about rotational pieces over there. And we're do we really 522 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 2: think this juco kid from Pearl River, Mississippi is really 523 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 2: going to be able to shine there? And it's just 524 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 2: so intense. You can back off. You can just shut 525 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 2: up and let guys go for ten minutes, and they're 526 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 2: as worst on it as they would be their own 527 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: children and their own family and their own financial situation. 528 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 2: It's really amazing. 529 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: So I say this often, forty percent of America never 530 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: leaves the area code they were born in. People don't 531 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: like change. I did not grow up in a traditional 532 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: family with religion, you know, divorce parents. I had just 533 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: a British mother, and I just didn't have a traditional upbringing. 534 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: Thank god, I have good coaches. But so I tend 535 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: to embrace change because my life has been I've lived 536 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: in seven states, and so I understand people who aren't 537 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: comfortable with it that people that have lived in the 538 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: same cul de sac forever. I'm kind of jealous of that. 539 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: I understand my kids don't have like one set of friends, 540 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: and my wife and I have talked about that before. 541 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: Is that you sacrifice. Everybody makes sacrifices. I have moved 542 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: for commerce an opportunity, but it's probably hurt me in 543 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: terms of long term you know, friendships and relationships. My 544 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 1: friends are all over the country. So when the transfer 545 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: portal and the NIL came out in the college football playoff, 546 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: I was so excited. It's like, I've seen cal Arizona 547 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: State enough. I want to see Oregon and Ohio State. 548 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: I want to see Michigan and USC like I've seen 549 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: the regional stuff. But the unintended benefits that I didn't consider. 550 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: First of all, the playoffs way better than those half 551 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: empty stadium bowl games. 552 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: That's a fact. 553 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: Secondly, the NIL has not made the sport more lobsided. 554 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: The good teams are still good. The bad teams are 555 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: mostly still bad. But the transfer portal. I did not 556 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: predict this. I figured just the rich would get richer. 557 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,719 Speaker 1: But the truth is kids want to play. And when 558 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: I watch Georgia now and a cornerback gets hurt, they 559 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: don't necessarily have a good backup. He's at Louisville, he's 560 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: at Texas Tech. Are you surprised? I look at the 561 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: sport now. You could change uniforms. I can't tell Oregon 562 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: from Bama, from Georgia from Ole Miss LSU. I can't 563 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: tell three four years ago, Josh, you could take uniforms off. 564 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: That's Georgia, that's Alabama, that's Ohio State. I think the 565 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: transfer portal. Everybody freaked out about it. I think it's 566 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: created a parody and an evenness that I haven't seen 567 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: in college football life. 568 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: I've wrestled with this a lot. See, I used to 569 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: listen to you a lot talk about moving, and I 570 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 2: was the person you were talking about. I grew up 571 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: in West Central Georgia, never left there until into my thirties, 572 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: and so I'm very rooted and therefore I like tradition. 573 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: I like adhering to the stuff I've always known. All right, Well, 574 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: then work or opportunity moves me to Nashville's first time 575 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 2: I'd ever left home, first time I ever got out 576 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: of my cul de sac, actually, so that my worldview 577 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: and therefore my college football worldview kind of became rooted 578 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: in that. So I was one that sort of was 579 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 2: drug kicking and screaming across a lot of these lines. 580 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: And there's you know, there's always going to be stuff 581 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 2: to complain about, so anecdotally, if you don't like something, 582 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: you'll always be able to cherry pick. But I agree 583 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: with you, and I've had to adjust my thinking slash 584 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: perspective on a lot of this because it's undeniable when 585 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 2: you look I mean, Texas Tech could compete literally this year, 586 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: they could compete for a lot more than a Big 587 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: twelve sid Like it could happen. And so what I've 588 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: picked up on is everybody knows the transfer portal is 589 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: a big deal. That's a very fifty thousand foot evergreen 590 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: headline in college football. Drilled down a little bit when 591 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: we talked about Oregon a little while ago, when we 592 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: talked about Texas Tech, Like, I just did something on 593 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 2: our show the other night where I looked at the 594 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: hit rate, and I'm telling you, the programs and the 595 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: front offices in college football now that have really put 596 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 2: a print on putting good evaluators in those offices are 597 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 2: lapping the field. Miami is killing it not only because 598 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 2: they have money. Money is the oxygen. Okay, you're not 599 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: going to live without it anyway, it's a moot point. 600 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: You got to have the money that spend it properly. 601 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 2: And everyone's spending they're going after the same players. So 602 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 2: there is still very much a recruiting element to it, 603 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: but there's also a really really big evaluation piece to it. 604 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: So Miami they just overhauled their entire secondary colin there's 605 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: one OJ Frederic you'll see him Saturday against Florida State. 606 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: He's the only holdover. They looked at it and said, 607 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: this is not good enough. We just wasted cam Ward 608 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: last year. So they just imported a whole new secondary. 609 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 2: They hit on all of them. Oregon has three starting 610 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: offensive linemen from the portal. Not to mention, they got 611 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 2: Dante Moore back at quarterback. He's so good. By the way, 612 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 2: the kid who is starting and shining at col right 613 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 2: now had committed to Oregon, went to spring or went 614 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: to winter playoff practices and realize more was so good. 615 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: He asked for his release. He said, I'm not going 616 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: to be able to start here immediately, so I want 617 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 2: to go somewhere else. And they hated it, but they 618 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 2: let him go. But look at Texas Tech. Look what 619 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: they're doing LSU. You know, LSU is a wreck right now, 620 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: but not because of what Austin Thomas, who's the GM there, 621 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: and they did defensively, because they've gone from in the 622 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 2: eighties to the fifties to now the teens in national 623 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: defensive rankings because of the portal and evaluation in the portal. 624 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: They're not missing on guys, is my point. They what 625 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: they did not do is they did not go get 626 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: a tackle, a right tackle. They banked on the fact 627 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: they could develop one in house, and that has failed. 628 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 2: And that's why offensively, that along with quarterback injury, is 629 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: what they look like right now. But yeah, it's really amazing. 630 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: And what it also does is, you know, I was 631 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: at Tennessee last year the week of the Bama game, 632 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,960 Speaker 2: and a lot of the staff was already talking about 633 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: their concern about their offensive line. The following year, well, 634 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: offensive line is not an issue for them because they 635 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 2: were able to rectify it in the portal. And so 636 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: you used to have this hopelessness as a fan where 637 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,959 Speaker 2: if you knew you had a veteran laden union, right, 638 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 2: it was going to be minimum two years, maybe even 639 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 2: three years down the road. And now it could just 640 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: be you wake up one morning and there's a headline, 641 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 2: Oh a and m just went and got Mario Kraver 642 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: and Casey conceptsi on. We have an explosive downfield passing 643 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 2: game now and we didn't two days ago. That's great, Dad, 644 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 2: Was that like it was when you were growing up? No, 645 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 2: it was not, no, it was not no. 646 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: No, Listen, I grew up in the Northwest, and you know, 647 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: even Don James, you had these down three year cycles 648 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: and Don was like the I mean Nick Saban, you know, 649 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: quoted him at his death, like and Washington was great. 650 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: But you'd have down cycles where you missed on a 651 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: recruiting class and you missed on two tackles, Like all right, 652 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: we screw that up. Let's go into the portal. So 653 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: I love what it's created, which is you could just 654 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 1: interchange uniforms and the top twelve teams. It just depends 655 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: on the Saturday. It depends on who has the best 656 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: I mean, good God, USC and Illinois. I'm like, well, 657 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: I like us he's quarterback and that Lemon kid more 658 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 1: but everything else but pretty even So Quick Trip found 659 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,720 Speaker 1: this video from a few years ago where I swore 660 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: off coffee shops because they kept increasing prices. But Josh, 661 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: you're telling me Quick Trip might change my mind. 662 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: I think so many They have fueled my fall tours 663 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 2: for a couple of years now. I had a relationship 664 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 2: with him just because a bunch of the execs a 665 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 2: Quick Trip watched the show and then that morphs into 666 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 2: you guys want to do some business with the show, 667 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: and they're all over the south, and so it's you know, 668 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,959 Speaker 2: it's big red square QT on it and you pull 669 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 2: off and you got gas out front. But when you 670 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 2: go in, they were the first place, and still I 671 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,359 Speaker 2: think the only place I've ever seen was just the 672 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 2: pure cold brew on tap. Entire station looks like looks 673 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 2: like a barb, but instead you got all the different 674 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: kinds of of col brews there. And you got to understand, man, 675 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 2: when you drive as much as I have, when you 676 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 2: drive all its long distances, we'll go storm chasing in 677 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: the spring. We'll go college football in the fall. I 678 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 2: have made it a habit to just look for the 679 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: quick trip sign. They've been awesome to us. I mean, 680 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 2: they have been a huge, huge staple on my show. 681 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: So yes, look, if this is the recruitment that I'm 682 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 2: following right now, five star hot coffee prospect here, I 683 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 2: just you got to take a visit. It's all about 684 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 2: the official visit. Once we can get you to visit, 685 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: I think you'll be in. 686 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: Josh, pay your money, brother. 687 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 2: Thanks the volume.