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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to Happy Hour. I'm Joe and I'm Serena,

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Speaker 1: and we are happy to be back. We have a

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Speaker 1: great week for you. We're going to recap Golden, We're

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Speaker 1: going to which a lot went down in Golden. We're

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Speaker 1: going to recap Paradise. I personally feel like Paradise is

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Speaker 1: really picking up now. Excited to talk about that. We

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Speaker 1: have a special guest, two special guests coming on this week.

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Speaker 1: We have Tanner from Bachelor and Paradise, who is heavily

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Speaker 1: involved in the cat drama. And then we have Sondra

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Speaker 1: from Golden Bachelor, who is I would just say I

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Speaker 1: think she's delightful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so great chatting with Sandra. It was

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Speaker 2: sad to see her go home this week, but we

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Speaker 2: will hopefully see her at the Golden Bachelor Woman tell

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Speaker 2: All in a few weeks, which will be exciting. And

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Speaker 2: I feel like this was a really good three hours

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Speaker 2: of television this week. Both episodes were really strong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think so too. My only issue with Sondra

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Speaker 1: is she's a huge and a fault fan in her

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Speaker 1: she doesn't have a favorite team all thirty two. I

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Speaker 1: feel like you need to pick a team.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's right in line with when people

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Speaker 2: would ask me when I was younger who my favorite

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Speaker 2: team was, which just full disclaimer, I'm not a sports fan,

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Speaker 2: so winning whoever was winning, I would say, who's winning?

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Speaker 3: They're my favorite?

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Speaker 1: You are a true fair weather fan.

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Speaker 3: I am. Maybe one day I'll pick a team.

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Speaker 1: We'll see.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'll be a Chicago Cubs fan for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you are. And I'm a Toronto I'm a Toronto

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Speaker 1: Jays fan. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Wow. And that's marriage.

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Speaker 1: Everyone here, you go?

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Speaker 3: All right? Should we get into it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I'm ready.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: Let's start off with Golden Bachelor. We are on episode five.

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Speaker 2: We have six women left, which I feel like they

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Speaker 2: have dwindled.

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Speaker 3: Down so fast.

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Speaker 2: I went quick like, we are only halfway through the

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Speaker 2: season and we're already down to six women.

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Speaker 3: Which is crazy.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at the remaining six and I'm just like, wow.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I really do feel like it was

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Speaker 1: like yes yesterday where this thing first kicked off and

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Speaker 1: everyone was going crazy that they this is like their

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Speaker 1: new favorite show, and now here we are I.

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Speaker 3: Know, but people are still loving it.

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Speaker 2: I still have people telling me like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with Golden Bachelor, which oh yeah, is totally understandable.

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Speaker 2: So we have Faith, Leslie, Ellen, Teresa, Susan, and Sondra left.

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Speaker 3: Who did you think was getting that one on one

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Speaker 3: date this week?

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Speaker 1: I you were pretty convinced it was Faith, and I

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Speaker 1: wasn't really going to argue with you there. I thought

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Speaker 1: it could have been faith. Maybe Leslie, Oh you thought

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Speaker 1: you might get a back to back maybe? Oh yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: maybe Teresa. Maybe I thought Teresa was going to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel like I always fall for the

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Speaker 2: oh my god, someone's like, I never guess that someone's

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Speaker 2: going to get a second one on one tape.

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Speaker 1: Also, I was waiting maybe he was going to choose

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Speaker 1: potentially send her home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We didn't see him send anyone home on a one

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Speaker 2: on one the season. We didn't see a two on one.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's just a shorter amount of time.

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Speaker 1: So how do we not get it too? On Kathy

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Speaker 2: Like I don't want to see a two on one.

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Speaker 2: I get the Golden Girl, I.

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Speaker 3: Do, I do?

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Speaker 1: And so does everyone else.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, let's pitch it for next season if

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Speaker 2: there is one, which I very much hope there will be.

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Speaker 3: So Faith gets the one on one.

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Speaker 2: She does a helicopter ride and they land on a

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Speaker 2: yacht and she's afraid of heights, so it's a little

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Speaker 2: like overcoming her fear moment, which is cute, and then

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Speaker 2: they land on this beautiful boat in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the sea. I feel like this is like the Bachelor date,

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Speaker 2: Like if you can only pit one date that represents

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Speaker 2: the franchise, it's the helicopter yacht date, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: The yachts. I feel like the yachts New I feel

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Speaker 1: usually it's a helicopter ride or a yacht yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: and usually it's not even like this was a serious yacht.

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Speaker 3: It was stunning.

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Speaker 2: They were like sitting in like a lounge area having champagne,

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Speaker 2: and I love.

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Speaker 1: The clip back to the women in the house and

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Speaker 1: Leslie's like breaking down like what she wants on a

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Speaker 1: date and it's basically a yacht date. And then here

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Speaker 1: we see and Susan.

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Speaker 2: Susan was like, maybe we'll go on a yacht for

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Speaker 2: this week, and that's what Faith got. Leslie is having

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Speaker 2: probably the hardest time out of all the women, it

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Speaker 2: seems like, with jealousy and fighting off insecurities and just

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Speaker 2: like being in this open relationship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think she I think she's really into Gary.

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Speaker 1: And then I think she also, yeah, is having a

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Speaker 2: I also feel like Leslie, like if we're comparing Leslie

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Speaker 2: and Allen, like I think they're both really into Gary,

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Speaker 2: but Ellen seems to be a little more like not

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Speaker 2: Leslie is like all in, She's feeling all the feels,

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Speaker 1: I feel like Ellen is more okay with other women

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Speaker 1: having a connection with Gary, where Leslie isn't.

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Speaker 2: Leslie's like I'm ready to be the only one, Like

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Speaker 2: I'm ready to cut this loose and it just beat

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Speaker 2: me and Gary.

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Speaker 1: But back to the to the time on the yacht

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Speaker 1: with Faith and Gary, I thought it was interesting. Faith.

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Speaker 1: This story is interesting because she basically opens up about

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Speaker 1: being homeless as a teenager. She said she didn't have

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Speaker 1: a mother and father, and she's very happy where her

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Speaker 1: stereotypical childhood child.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know I wanted Gary, and maybe he did

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Speaker 2: and we just didn't see it. But I wanted him

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Speaker 2: to ask more questions about that, and you know, maybe

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Speaker 2: he was also just trying to respect her privacy. But

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Speaker 2: I would love to get her on the podcast and

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Speaker 2: I know, but it was already on and now we

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Speaker 1: It sounds like, yeah, and she and I think, I

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Speaker 1: want to say, I think Susan made a comment about

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Speaker 1: think we're starting I think I thought on that date,

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Speaker 1: you're seeing her open up and.

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Speaker 2: Like she's opening up to like love, but it also

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Speaker 2: seems like she's opening up to the possibility of like

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Speaker 2: a different future and a different.

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Speaker 1: Lifestyle than what she saw of her and like letting

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Speaker 2: Definitely just on based on what we know about her

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Speaker 2: at this point. So yeah, definitely a big vulnerable moment

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Speaker 2: That's the first time we've heard him kind of disclose

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Speaker 1: But he is also he's also been saying, Leslie, you're

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Speaker 3: Well he says that later on in the episode.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and then she comes back from the group date.

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Speaker 2: She sits down with the women and they have a

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Speaker 2: what I did, Like it was so incredible. I don't

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Speaker 2: The women are excited for her and.

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Speaker 3: Leslie. I think Leslie is excited for her, but like

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Speaker 1: I think Leslie's feelings are valid, I think, and I

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, she knows her connection isn't where some of

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Speaker 2: one on one date yet. But Leslie made a comment

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Speaker 2: we would do in real life versus a fantasy. That's

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Speaker 2: what she said, a little bit of a shady comment,

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Speaker 3: But then we go on to the group date.

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Speaker 2: Faith has the row so we know she's going to

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Speaker 2: hometown that's locked in, and the group date is at

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Speaker 2: the Santa Monica Pier, which is so funny because Joe

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Speaker 2: and I just played this little game that's like, what

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Speaker 2: are the top five.

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Speaker 1: Mostly Yeah, I went on I went on a podcast

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Speaker 1: this week, and what what he does is his name's Jiggy.

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Speaker 1: He's a comedian, and what he does is he does

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Speaker 1: like top five and like top five selling pasta sauces

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Speaker 1: are top five dates, and one of the top five

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Speaker 2: A carnival, and I was like, there's no way that's

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Speaker 2: a top five date, Like, I don't know anyone that's

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Speaker 2: been on the date at a carnival. And then we

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Speaker 2: all at the pier, but Teresa says to Gary, you know,

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Speaker 2: we see someone on one time with each of them, Susan,

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Speaker 2: Sondra and him talk about missing the wedding again, and

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Speaker 3: Second person that said that. Yeah, Ellen was the first.

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Speaker 1: Ellen Teresa, Teresa's Teresa is like her or not like her.

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Speaker 2: She's moving this race relationship along like she is pushing

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Speaker 1: Please easier of me.

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Speaker 1: Fucking Gary, better be careful, Better be careful. Gary is

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking, but no, you are right. Well.

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Speaker 3: So I think he really likes Teresa.

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Speaker 2: I'm just waiting for us to see that from him

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Speaker 1: We need to look back and see who our four was,

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Speaker 2: Next week, I'm going to check who we said our

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Speaker 1: I feel like my picker is not what it used

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Speaker 3: I think I said Faith was it after the first episode,

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Speaker 2: Definitely, but that also you know, in the beginning, it

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Speaker 2: He was like, I need more time, got to sleep

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Speaker 3: It would have been kind of hard to give out

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Speaker 3: The women seem shocked too. I don't think they knew that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So then who goes home? Soothe it?

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Speaker 2: Susan, Susan and Allen.

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Speaker 1: If there was a fourth rows given to go to hometowns,

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Speaker 2: I just think that their relationship, I mean, she had

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So now are we going to get We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get fantasy suites, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Next week, We've got hometowns coming up with these

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Speaker 1: Man, Gary, how do you not take Susan into fantasy suites? Joe?

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Speaker 1: After all, all are her great lines like you gotta

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Speaker 1: you gotta bring her there now. Yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 3: I don't know either.

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Speaker 2: I've really fought to not find out how the season ends,

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Speaker 2: and so far, I literally I don't know anything.

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Speaker 3: So every week is just a total surprise for me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think. I think right now I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for some reason, I'm leaning Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: My issue with Faith is that she got the one

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Speaker 3: I know, So I've been missing a lot of their relationship. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think it's going to be an exciting few episodes

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Speaker 1: So we get into let's get into Bachelor and Paradise

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Speaker 1: our show. Let's do it thisisode a.

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Speaker 3: Good episode of the last two episodes have been really good.

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Speaker 1: Last two have been really good. This has been my

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Speaker 1: favorite yet.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 1: So let's see what do I got? What we got? First?

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Speaker 1: First thing we see really is hot Sean and Aaron

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Speaker 1: s are probably going home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're sitting there like, we need a miracle, we

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Speaker 2: need a sign, we need something to save our asses.

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Speaker 1: Hair comes a miracle. Bachelor in Paradise, Canada, we get

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Speaker 1: a girl down day night of the Rose ceremony, cocktail party,

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Speaker 1: Samp comes down, hot Sean gets his chance. Everyone everyone

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Speaker 1: goes for her, tries talking to her, convincing her. She

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Speaker 2: Oh you mean, like you're not going to find like

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Speaker 1: I personally feel like this was the wrong move.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like she came down just kind of

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Speaker 1: I think it would have been much. I think it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you're saying, because you know, we

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Speaker 2: And if they sent her down that night, I mean Tanner,

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Speaker 3: But I don't know either way.

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Speaker 2: It was dramatic both ways, but that that would have

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Speaker 1: Okay, so we see, we get we get to the

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Speaker 3: Yep, good move, Eliza, good move.

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Speaker 1: I think they have a real connection. I you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we love his girl was on the beach, to

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, yeah for him, like maybe if he would

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always hard when you're coming down later on

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Speaker 2: I know, I wasn't totally surprised about that, but I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mercedes chooses Tyler one Rose left, and sam Pe

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Speaker 2: He brings more to the show than Peter does, just

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Speaker 2: to Sean, Will and Aaron s which is sad, but

445
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 2: it was just their time to go.

446
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and unfortunately for Aarons, it may have just been

447
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 1: better if he would have left with Sam, the original

448
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: Sam and just yeah.

449
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 2: But I mean he could still reach out to her

450
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 2: when she is I feel like I actually would love

451
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 2: to know if he did reach out.

452
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,639
Speaker 3: To her after she left.

453
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 1: How about how about Will? We do have to talk

454
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,959
Speaker 1: about Will for a quick second.

455
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,879
Speaker 3: Well, well, he had a tough time. He had a

456
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 3: really rough go in Paradise.

457
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 2: It was not Yeah, I mean he was hopping around

458
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 2: just against his will, you know, like it was like

459
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 2: first it was Olivia, then it was Kylie, then it

460
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: was Mercedes, then it was just lonely.

461
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you said it perfectly against his will, Like

462
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 1: we usually see one guy who doesn't go that far

463
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: on their season come down, hop around and screw things up,

464
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,960
Speaker 1: hop around on their own, but truly Will.

465
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: No, he was like he was into Olivia, then Kylie

466
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 2: got asked on the date. He was like all in

467
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: on Kylie, then she wasn't in, then he was all

468
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 2: in on Merceides was like crying on her shoulder, and

469
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: then she went on a date with someone else. Like

470
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 2: he just couldn't stick the landing. Unfortunately, you think Will

471
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 2: goes back on Maybe I wouldn't be surprised to see

472
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,160
Speaker 2: him again. I think he's a good fit for Paradise.

473
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: I think Will Will's will to me is ready for

474
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: a relationship, and I think a lot of women are

475
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: going to see that and slide into his DMS.

476
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 3: And I don't think you don't call me single by

477
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 3: next year.

478
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think it's going to take much to

479
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: to lockdown Willie boy. So I think he's going to

480
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 1: be I would bet Will's probably engaged by paradise.

481
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 3: Really Yeah, that's crazy. That's a crazy prediction. But maybe.

482
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,479
Speaker 1: Okay, so now we got whitch love. When this linees up,

483
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: it's always great. It's Cat's birthday.

484
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 2: Of all the people that could have had a birthday

485
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 2: on this beach, I'm so happy it's Katy because she

486
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 2: is clearly a big birthday gal and she's going to

487
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: make the most of it.

488
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 3: And unfortunately she's got.

489
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: Not a lot to work with because she's got a

490
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,439
Speaker 2: bad day ahead of her.

491
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll get into that because that is the

492
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: that's the fun part of the episode. We'll cut to

493
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: Rachel gets stay card. Saw that come in? She asked Brayden.

494
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: They go on opiniona day. They they're cute together.

495
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 2: They may actually have a genuine connection, Like you can

496
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 2: really see it. Like I don't know how far it

497
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 2: goes or how romantic it is, but I know we

498
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 2: saw them at Charity's finale. Yeah, and they were sitting

499
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 2: next to each other, and like I was not able

500
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,959
Speaker 2: to tell if there was like a romantic relationship or

501
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: if it was a friendship or what, but they definitely

502
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: were laughing the whole time. Dance they were dancing and

503
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: they were like having a really good time. Rachel seemed

504
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: really happy. Brandon is just like a ball of energy.

505
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 2: He was having fun. So there's without a doubt.

506
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,120
Speaker 3: A connection between them.

507
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Rachel just seemed like so happy on this date,

508
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 2: Like it was really nice to see her on a date,

509
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: just having a ton of fun.

510
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: You think it gets serious.

511
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 3: I think it could get serious. I would actually like

512
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 3: it to get serious.

513
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: Too, because it doesn't feel super forced, and it feels

514
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 2: like a good fit her type too, like Rachel loves

515
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: the whole like earrings, pain, girl's tats, all that vibe.

516
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: They look good together like Rachel and hat Seawan didn't

517
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: look good again.

518
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 3: Her and Braiden definitely just feel like a better fit.

519
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so now.

520
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: She seems super into him, though I'm curious to see

521
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 2: if he is into her because they didn't show as

522
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: much of his expression his sorry not his expression his

523
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: interviews about her.

524
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, I think it's hard to tell when Braiden's

525
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: really into someone, because, like you said, he's a ball

526
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: of energy and he's always going to be a good time.

527
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: So even if Braiden isn't that into you, I think

528
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna go on a date and it's still gonna

529
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: You're still gonna have a lot of fun.

530
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 3: Yes, I agree.

531
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: It's not like he's just charismatic and like personable and

532
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: high energy across the board. So it's harder to differentiate

533
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 2: when it's just like, yeah, I like this person, but

534
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: I'm just having the best time, and like, yeah, I'm

535
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: really into this person and I'm just having the best time.

536
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: Yep. Okay, So Davia is here. Davia comes down, which

537
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: is great. All the girls are freaking out.

538
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 3: She's stunning.

539
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: Not that it looked bad before, but she looks good.

540
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, she looks insane.

541
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: Something something I said to you. She came down, and

542
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: she was. She's very confident.

543
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 3: Very confident.

544
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, not obnoxious, but like you could just tell the

545
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 2: way she's like greeting everybody. She's comfortable, like speaking in

546
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: front of everyone.

547
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's just like, yeah, she's she's doing pretty well.

548
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: She grabs Tanner first, Cats instantly freaking out and they talk.

549
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: Tanner seems to be like, yeah, I will go on

550
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: the state. Which it's still pretty new for Cat and Tanner.

551
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: I mean, look at this point, from what we've seen,

552
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: Braiden and Cat were together for like three days, right

553
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: or Braiden and Cat were together for week one, Yeah,

554
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: and they had a row ceremony, and then the following week.

555
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 3: Cat went on a date with someone else.

556
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah it was Tanner. Tanner and Cat have been together

557
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: for one week. Now, Tanner might go w on a

558
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 2: date with someone else. One week in paradise is a

559
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: lot of time, but it's not a lot of time.

560
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 2: And unless you had a conversation of being exclusive, you

561
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: have to kind of assume that people are still open

562
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: to going on dates. Like it doesn't seem like Cat

563
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 2: and Tanner were locked in on each other, like they

564
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 2: work and explore other options.

565
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 3: It's still pretty new. Yeah, I don't think anything wrong.

566
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: And because it's your birthday like that, I can't be.

567
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: Like I'm super into the scroll, but like this date

568
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: falls on your birthday, I will do it, Like I

569
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: don't know.

570
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: It's so hard.

571
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: What I've learned in my life, especially with women, is

572
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: everyone has a different feeling towards their birthday. Like I

573
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: have friends where their birthday is a really big deal.

574
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: To that it's really important, I would, And then I

575
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: have friends who are like, I don't really care, it's

576
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 2: just another day. Whatever Cat is a birthday gal, so

577
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 2: this is obviously a big issue for her. But I

578
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: don't I don't.

579
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 3: I think Tanner would have been making a mistake not

580
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: going on hundred percent.

581
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: Well, Davia comes back and basically says, I don't need

582
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: to talk to anyone else another another confidence and I'm.

583
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: Trying to be intentional. I had one good convo. I'm

584
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 3: into it. Let's go. I loved it.

585
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: I loved it, she hasked Tanner. He says yes, and

586
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: then before I mean, he could have pulled Cat before

587
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: he said yes, But does that really matter? No?

588
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: He okay, wait, yes he did pull Cat.

589
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: But he said yes, and then he pulled.

590
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 3: Cat right, yes, Okay.

591
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So the day, I'd love

592
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: to do on the day, But can I talk to Cat?

593
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: He didn't say, put a pin in it. Let me

594
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: go talk to Cat. Now. I don't think he needed

595
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: to because at the end.

596
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: Of the day, if he wasn't going to ask Cat

597
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: for her permission, there's no need to talk to her

598
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 2: before giving an answer. He's basically saying, I'm going to

599
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: go on this date whether you like it or not,

600
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 2: but I want to do the respectful thing and have

601
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: a discussion with you about it.

602
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: And can'ts upset, which which she could be if there's

603
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: nothing there's nothing wrong with being upset. I mean, but

604
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, her being upset at Tanner for doing.

605
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 3: It is it is looking very hypocritical.

606
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, she literally did the same thing to Braiden,

607
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: And I don't know if she talked to Braiden. Is

608
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: from a viewers standpoint, we don't see her talking to

609
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,959
Speaker 1: Braiden before she goes on a day with Tanner, and

610
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Tanner at least did that.

611
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 2: But really, like, no, she did this exact same thing

612
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 2: to Braiden. For her to be like freaking out and

613
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: like kind of getting so mad at Tanner at this

614
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: whatever you like, a betrayal or whatever she feels like

615
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: it may be, is kind of the definition of being

616
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: a hypocrite.

617
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 3: And I don't know if she sees that or not.

618
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if she feels like maybe her connection

619
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: with Tanner has been a lot stronger and more serious

620
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: than with Braiden. I mean with Braiden she was saying

621
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: in the truth circle like I'm still looking to do it.

622
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: That's why I said I don't think she did anything

623
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: wrong by going on a date with Tanner and leaving

624
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: Braiden the only thing that she did wrong in that scenario.

625
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: It seemed like she got upset for Braiden getting upset,

626
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: which is like, which is like if Tanner got upset

627
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: at her for being upset?

628
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like you're just mad because they're mad at you.

629
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I don't I don't know, And I don't

630
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 4: think Kat did anything wrong with going on a date

631
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 4: with Tanner.

632
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: She could have had a conversation with Braiden. Would have

633
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: been the only big change up front there. And I

634
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: only Karen did anything wrong with a date with Davia.

635
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: You don't tell you do anything wrong by going on

636
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: a date with somebody else in paradise is if you

637
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: guys are exclusive and then you break the exclusivity, Yeah,

638
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: that's when it's wrong. Other than that, this is the

639
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: way the show works. So it's totally valid for Kat

640
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: to be upset. It is her birthday. She is really

641
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: into Tanner and now competition just walks down and takes

642
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: him on a date, So ca every right to feel

643
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: sad and upset. But she can't really be mad at Tanner,

644
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: and she kind of has to be okay with it.

645
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: Because she did it.

646
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's got to take it on the chin.

647
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: She's just got to be like, this sucks, but like I,

648
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: she has to have a little perspective and understand that,

649
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: you know, have some understanding for Tanner and why he

650
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: made the decision.

651
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: And we see like Aaron be that takes the interview.

652
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I don't. I don't feel bad for

653
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: Cat at all. This is exactly.

654
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: Areby is cold. Sometimes. I like his interviews.

655
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: He's, uh, yeah, he's been really uh.

656
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 3: He takes a hard stances on every situation, which I like.

657
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: So we see Tanner and Davy are hitting it off

658
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: on the date, Brandan and Rachel get back. They seem

659
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: to be really happy. And then Kat, you know, we

660
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: see her. She gets a piniana and she takes out

661
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: her anger at the pinata, which good, good for her.

662
00:30:58,280 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: Let it out, girlfriend.

663
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: She needs a release because she's using yelling in her

664
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: interviews as the current release and I don't think it's

665
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: doing much. She needs some physical activity to burn off

666
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: this frustration and anxiety she seems to be feeling.

667
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's going to get a lot of hate,

668
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: like Cat's probably getting a lot of hate. Yeah, And

669
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: she's going to get a lot of hate for like

670
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: yelling in her interviews and stuff. But you know, for

671
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: people back at home, like that is a time for

672
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: you to kind of let your emotions run a little while.

673
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want interviews when you're there can sometimes feel

674
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: like therapy. And it's just like a space where you're

675
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: in a room and it's private with a producer. I mean,

676
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: obviously it's not that private you're on camera, but it's

677
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: she's using her interviews to just vent, like she's venting

678
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: to a friend on a phone. And I saw Rhia

679
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: and fran on Chicks in the office say this, and

680
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: I just thought it was you know, I agreed with them.

681
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 2: They're like, watching Cat has really showed me the importance

682
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: of regulating my emotions and being able to just take

683
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: a breath and find a different outlet for your rage

684
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: versus screaming and interviews.

685
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well, hopefully she doesn't get too much hate,

686
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: and if you're listening to this, probably just you know,

687
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: give her a little grace.

688
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 3: Okay, we have the truth or dare exception another truth moment.

689
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: So this cast has just clearly been keeping too much

690
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: in and I think we're seeing that I feel like

691
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: everyone on this show has truly not everyone, but majority

692
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: of the cast has really been playing it safe. And

693
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: now we're starting to see this this kind of crumble.

694
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: It's crazy because they'll play it safe, but you throw

695
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: a game in their face and they're like, sure.

696
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't, can't.

697
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: That's off. We'll just tell you everything. We'll make out

698
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: with each other.

699
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: Can't lie here. So first thing, Pilot Pe kisses Kylie

700
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: really weird, Yeah, really.

701
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: Weird, really weird because I know it was a dare,

702
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: but like she's like locked in with Avan.

703
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 3: He's like sitting next to her.

704
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: If that was you and me and they were like

705
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: so and so on our season, like kissery and I'd

706
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: be like please don't, like no offense, but like please

707
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: please don't.

708
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: It was such an awkward moment.

709
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: Mercedes and John Henry go at it. They make out,

710
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: They make out like yeah they.

711
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: I thought she was with Tyler Norris, but maybe it's

712
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: not that serious.

713
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: And then you see Olivia everything now.

714
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: Olivia Jetty Yeah yep.

715
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: And then the big question, the big thing, and this

716
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: truther Dare section is a question gets asked to Jess

717
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: is Blake You're number one and we suggests like really,

718
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: like she doesn't answer it, and we haven't really seen

719
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: her give any definitive answers this entire time in Paradise.

720
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: She kind of skates around it.

721
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: Two things that Jes should never be are a poker

722
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: player or a politician because girl has no game face,

723
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: like even when we see it with Sean, Like she

724
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: gets really nervous being asked these direct questions and like

725
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: you can tell she doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings,

726
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: but like, well.

727
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: She's a nice she's a nice person, and I think

728
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: that's I think that's the hard thing for.

729
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: It, and she like wants to be an honest person,

730
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 3: but she don't want to hurt people.

731
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's been the hard thing for

732
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: Jess is she doesn't want to hurt anyone. And I

733
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: think the issue, I think what has been going on

734
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: is guys have come down and they see Jess as

735
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: talking to Blake and they basically don't want to step

736
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: on Blake's toes compete with Blake. Yeah, so they're not.

737
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: And then what happens is one of Jess's friends ends

738
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: up going on a date with somebody that she's also

739
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: into and now she feels like, well, I don't want

740
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: to step on one of my friend's toes, so I'm

741
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of stuck.

742
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, she is stuck because I totally agree with

743
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: what you're saying, Like, I think she her only way

744
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: to kind of explore other options. The easiest way when

745
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,479
Speaker 2: you're imperative to explore their options is to be asked

746
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: on a date. It's not easy to just start like

747
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: flirting with another guy at the bar, or like take

748
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: a walk to a day bed with another guy on

749
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: the beach, because that's really awkward. The easiest way is

750
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: for someone to come down that you're interested in and

751
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: ask you on a date, and you can have like

752
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: private time to get to know them away from the

753
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: person you're already connecting with. And Jess I think has

754
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: wanted that for herself. She wanted Tanner to ask her

755
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,839
Speaker 2: on a date. I think she might have wanted John

756
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: Henry to ask her on a date. And I think

757
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: either they're not feeling the connection with her, like you said,

758
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 2: they don't want to complete with Blake and they're not

759
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: asking her, and she's like, I want to explore options.

760
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: I'm not certain about Blake. I don't think she's all

761
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: in on him at all.

762
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 3: She's not, but she.

763
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: Hasn't been given the opportunity to explore other options. So

764
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: she's kind of in this place where she's like, do

765
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: I just like lock in with Blake now or do

766
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 2: I call it off? Because like, you can really only

767
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: be open in Paradise for so long before it kind

768
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: of gets to a point where it's like this is

769
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: a little weird.

770
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: And now it's pretty it's getting to that point in

771
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: the show where like you kind of have to make

772
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: that decision.

773
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I.

774
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: Think when she said like her big thing, she's like,

775
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 2: I haven't done anything for myself, And I was kind

776
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: of like, what, Like, what do you mean you haven't

777
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: done anything for yourself? But I think that's exactly it.

778
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: She wants to explore and she hasn't.

779
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: And if I'm Blake and you say that to me,

780
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: I have I'm like, uh, I like.

781
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: That's I feel like kind of like a charity case.

782
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know absolutely, and I don't. I think

783
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: Blake handled it really well, he said he said to her,

784
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: like now I feel I need to give you space,

785
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: So I'm going to give you space, which was the

786
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: right thing to do and the only thing he could

787
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: have done, because.

788
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: At this point, like if he grabs on tighter, it's

789
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 2: just going to get more awkward.

790
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 3: I don't think he wants to end it with her.

791
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: I think he's interested, but like, yeah, it's really the

792
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: only option is like I'm going to give you space

793
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: go explore, Like it's almost permission for her to like

794
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: go pursue other guys.

795
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: And then and now and now, what what's Blake supposed

796
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: to do? Is he gonna explore something else? We'll see

797
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: how Jess he haumbles it. Maybe maybe if Blake goes

798
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: on a date with another girl, Jess, you know, gets

799
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: a little jealous and thinks, oh, maybe I was more

800
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: into this guy than I thought I was.

801
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: Either, if he gets asked on a date by.

802
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: Someone, yeah, that's probably the best case scenario.

803
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 2: Gives her some space on the beach to see what's

804
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: down there.

805
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we see. We'll talk about the super teaser at

806
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: the end, but we do see Cat and Davia have

807
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: a talk about Tanner, which was it seemed a little

808
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: too soon to even have that conversation.

809
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: I feel like the convo that needed to be had

810
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: was between Cat and Tanner, and I think Davia jumped

811
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: the gun pulling Cat aside. I think she was trying

812
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: to be proactive, and I think she should have waited.

813
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll see that conversation next week as Tanner

814
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: pulls Cat. We also see the super teaser where we

815
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: see Cat going after John.

816
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can assume Daby and Tanner are going strong.

817
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: Kat is a free agent again. And who said she

818
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: was homie hot big? I don't know, but that's a

819
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: decent way to describe it. I mean, hey, the good

820
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: thing with Kat is like yet we have not seen

821
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: her be like I'm leaving, I don't have a connection, Like.

822
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 3: She's onto the next like she's still looking for love.

823
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: She's persistent.

824
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: And then the only other thing we see, the biggest

825
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: thing I think we see is Jess and Tyler make up.

826
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, which kind of answers my question earlier of like

827
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 2: how serious are Tyler and Mercedes If she's like making

828
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: out with someone on the day bed in front of him.

829
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: I don't think.

830
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's serious.

831
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm sad for Blake, but I'm also happy

832
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: for him and Jess. I feel like this needed to

833
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 2: happen like she needed to go, or like.

834
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: She's gonna They're just gonna either break up at the

835
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: end or leave in a relationship and not be fully

836
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: committed and break up in the real world. So I

837
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: think this is what has to be done. And yeah

838
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: that I think that that wraps our recap. Thank you

839
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 1: everyone for listening. Make sure you subscribe Bacher Happy Hour,

840
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: stay tuned later this week. We have multiple interviews coming

841
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: out Sandra and Tanner. Thank you, and we have.

842
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Speaker 2: New episodes of Botcher Happy Hour every single week. So

843
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: sheep listening and don't forget to subscribe.

844
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: Bye bye,