1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we are gonna talk about 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: the championship games in the AFC and NFC. It's the 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Eagles going back for a Super Bowl 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: rematch and what it's gonna take for the Ravens to 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: get to that point as we all hoped they would 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: this season but obviously fell short. So Garrett, you know, 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: I think this is a no surprise the Chiefs once again. Yeah, 9 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: just you know, I mean, gosh, you gotta tip your 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: hat to the Chiefs. 11 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: Right. 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: As much as we all of us don't like it, obviously, 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: you have to tip your hat. They have a dynasty 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: going and they're going for the first ever NFL three 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: peat and they've been. They've been the seven straight AFC championships. 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: And once again for the Ravens and the Bills and 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: the rest of the AFC, everybody's looking up at the 18 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: Chiefs and saying, how do we get there? How do 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: we knock them off that pedestal? 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: Right, everyone's trying to figure that out right now. And 21 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 3: you look at it like the Chiefs. I think that 22 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: John Harball made this point. He made it right after 23 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: the game against the Bills, and then he reiterated it 24 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 3: again during the season review press conference last week with 25 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 3: Eric the Kasai. He made the point that you have 26 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: to have him admiration for what the Chiefs have been 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 3: able to do considering how hard it is. Basically it's 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,839 Speaker 3: hard to win these playoff games. A lot of things 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 3: need to go right. You need to avoid the mistakes 30 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: that hurt the Ravens this year against the Bills, the turnovers, 31 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 3: uncharacteristic things, penalties. So you need to play you need 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: to play well. You need to avoid the things that 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 3: puts you in a hole and hurt you, and you 34 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 3: need to do it when the pressure is at its 35 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: highest and when the moment is so big. And I 36 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: think that's what the Chiefs have been so good at. 37 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 3: And I think that kind of speaks to what the 38 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: point that John Harball made, which is like you have 39 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 3: to have admiration for their ability to do it over 40 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 3: and over again and just the consistency of being in 41 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: that spot. And I think I think, like if I 42 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 3: were to distill it down right now to what the 43 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 3: Chiefs have going for them beyond a Hall of Fame, 44 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: quarterback and a Hall of Fame coach and a Hall 45 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 3: of Fame tight end, and it's great players, like that's obvious, 46 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: but they also they just know how to win. And 47 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: they've been in this situation over and over again, and 48 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 3: so they win these close games. And there's just this 49 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: aura to a certain extent that they know in these 50 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: tight games that they're going to come out victorious because 51 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 3: they've done it so many times and they know it, 52 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: and I think the opponents know it too, and that 53 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 3: all of that capital all that plays into the back 54 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 3: and forth of these games, and the Chiefs are able 55 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: to capitalize on it. 56 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 4: And how you. 57 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: Stop that's that is what everybody's trying to figure out. 58 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: Right, I mean, to your point, so this is the 59 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: Chief's ninth straight win in the postseason and in their 60 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: seventeenth consecutive victory in a one score game, which broke 61 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: their own record. I mean, that's crazy, straight one score 62 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: game wins, right, And to me, it's a self fulfilling prophecy, right. 63 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: I Mean, when you've done it so many times, you, 64 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: to your point, have the belief that it will happen again. 65 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: And that's kind of you know, the Ravens are wearing 66 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: these scars, and the Bills you know, are wearing these 67 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: scars from over the years of just falling short and 68 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: some crazy flukish play happening like the Zay Flowers fumble 69 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: and this year the Mark Andrew's fumble and the two 70 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: point conversion drop. These ads scars, now are those scars 71 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: that you can't overcome. Certainly not you can, but when 72 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: you have, I mean, and maybe they make you tougher. 73 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: There's certainly an argument for that, right like when you've 74 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: gone through it, they forge you and all those things, 75 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: all those scars. Well, the flip side of that is 76 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: like when you've had so much success in those moments, 77 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: when you've won so many of those big games, you 78 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: also when you're not carrying that kind of baggage, I 79 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: think it can also help you in the opposite direction 80 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: on the flip side of that, right where it is 81 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: this self fulfilling prophecy. 82 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: M Yeah, I think that that's definitely true. And the 83 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: Chiefs have kind of mastered that. They've mastered this ability 84 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: to feel like they're they're the they're the champs. They 85 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: come in with a belt, they're the they're the bullies. 86 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: You got to knock them off the pedestal and they 87 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,799 Speaker 3: carry themselves that way. But they also at the same 88 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: time are really good at using any kind of fuel 89 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 3: to drive, like the motivation, like this user closing in 90 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: on a three peat. Yet like multiple times over the 91 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 3: past couple of years, it's been like nobody believes in us, 92 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: and I'm like, wait, no one is. 93 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 4: No one says that, And that's been there. 94 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 3: Like mantra going back like to last year when they 95 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 3: had to go on the road and they made the 96 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: whole point about how people say we can't win on 97 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: the road in the playoffs, and then they won the 98 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: Buffalo and of course they want here and and even 99 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: last week for them, they made the point like all 100 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: will probably the Bills will probably any reads, like the 101 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 3: Bills will probably be favored in this game going up 102 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 3: against us, and so like there he's kind of a 103 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: ma that motivation and all coaches do that, all. 104 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: The all the mahomes flopping, you know. 105 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 4: The refs, The refs are on our side. 106 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: Are on their sidee the NFL wants them to win, 107 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: and they're carrying all that stuff. 108 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: Too, right, And so like they're really good, honestly at 109 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 3: using all that stuff as motivation. Like even going back 110 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: to the first one that they won on this in 111 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 3: this stretch, that was when the Bengals had beat them 112 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 3: the previous year and the burrough Head stuff, all of that, 113 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 3: Like they use all of that as motivation. And so 114 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 3: they're really good. I mean, especially the leaders of that team, 115 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 3: Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, and Travis Kelcey, like all those 116 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 3: three that that that trifecta right there. They're really good 117 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 3: players coaches. But also like using that motivation is fuel, 118 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 3: and I think that's part of the reason they've been 119 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 3: as good as they have been. 120 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 4: And and like you know what, like. 121 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: And you look at it, you look at it too. 122 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you look down the box score 123 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: and like nothing jumps out to you about the way 124 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 1: the Chiefs won this game, right. I mean Patrick Mahomes 125 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: had a good game for two hundred and forty five 126 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: yards and one touchdown. You know, ran for two those 127 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: were big, right, And and he looks that's what makes 128 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: him so hard. I mean, especially in the postseason, it 129 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: feels like, you know, he will just come up with 130 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: clutch runs. He's not obviously no Lamar, but he's quicker 131 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: than people think. And he beats you with his legs 132 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: and two touchdowns. Those are two huge scores, you know, 133 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: But Kareem Hunt led them with sixty four yards. This 134 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: wasn't sa Kwon Barkley out here running for eighty yard 135 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: touchdowns and stuff. Right, Like their run game is I 136 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: mean they signed Kareem Hunt. What in the first month 137 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: of the season, Yeah, something like that. You know, Xavier 138 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: Worthy six for eighty five. I mean Travis Kelsey only 139 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: had two catches and they still won the game. And 140 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: it's just like the other part is like you know 141 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,039 Speaker 1: what you're gonna get from the Chiefs. They're gonna you know, 142 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: they're gonna play pretty mistake free football, Like they play 143 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: the same script almost like the Steelers. They remind me this, 144 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: it's the same script every time. It's like Mahomes isn't 145 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: gonna make Like he'll make like one or two kind 146 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: of crazy plays like last week the falling down touchdown 147 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: that he threw, but like he's probably not gonna throw 148 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: for three hundred and fifty four hundred yards. 149 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 2: In this offense. 150 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: Like Travis Kelce, you will make a couple clutch catches. 151 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: Then their defense when they get in the third down situation, 152 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: spags is gonna dial up pressure, especially if you're on 153 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: the brink of field goal range or or whatnot. Like 154 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: he needs a big stop. You know, pressure's coming. Can 155 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: it's can you stop it? Where's it coming from? 156 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 4: You know? 157 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: Like that's the crazy part about their defense too. It's 158 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: like that the play where Dalton Kincaid, you know, dropped 159 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: the long pass like everybody in the whole stadium. 160 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: New pressures coming. 161 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody knew it and they and they did it, 162 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: and they still had Josh Allen run around frantically loft 163 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: it up a long ball. You know. I mean I 164 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: side note like I feel for Bills fans to a degree, 165 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: they've been through it also, And I also they are 166 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: feeling what Ravens fans felt last week right where tight 167 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: end drops a big pat huge pass called it and't 168 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: go their way on the spotted fourth down, Like they 169 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: are feeling exactly what Ravens fans feel like. 170 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're looking at probably the three best quarterbacks 171 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: in football right there with Mahomes, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. 172 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 3: And so you have like you have Lamar and Allen 173 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: who are have been transcendent players, great players, and they're 174 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: looking up at Mahomes both trying to figure out how 175 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: do you get to that point? And like everyone's kind 176 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: of scratching at that. And it's this feeling that Ravens 177 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 3: and Bills fans, like I said, no, they know all 178 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 3: too well over this recent run that the Chiefs have 179 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 3: been on. And like the thing that you didn't mention 180 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: in talking about the Chiefs that I think that they 181 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 3: do so well is like, obviously they have a great 182 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 3: offensive mind and Andy Reid, who's been one of the 183 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: best coaches ever but maybe the best offensive mind certainly 184 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: of this modern era football. And they come up with 185 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: these really really like they're not necessarily trick plays, but 186 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: when they need six yards or they need three yards, 187 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 3: they're masters at finding ways to do it. And they 188 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 3: did it multiple times in that game against the Bills. 189 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 3: And the crazy thing to me is like the Bills 190 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 3: kind of played the same game against Kansas City as 191 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 3: they did against the Ravens the week before, Like they 192 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 3: played mistake free football. They they didn't turn the ball over, 193 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 3: they scored four touchdowns, and so they played a pretty 194 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: similar script to what they did against the Ravens the 195 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: week before. But then that then you get into and 196 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: the and the and the Chiefs also generally played mistake 197 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 3: free football, although they did have a turnover. 198 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean the difference is the Chiefs turned 199 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: the ball over once and the Ravens did three times, 200 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: right exactly, but the Bills difference. 201 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 3: So the Bills play mistake free football. The Chiefs played 202 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 3: mostly mistake for you, although they did have that one turnover. 203 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: But still when you get into that close situation, all 204 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 3: of a sudden, it's the fourth quarter and these two 205 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: teams are going back and forth, and it just like 206 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 3: maybe this comes back to that self fulfilling prophecy. You 207 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 3: just know, like, Okay, here it is. It's gonna be 208 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 3: I know how this is gonna end. This is gonna 209 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: end with some sort of Chiefs drive and they're gonna 210 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: get the job done because they always do. And like 211 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 3: that's how it just it feels, and how you eliminate that, Like, 212 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 3: I don't know, They've got the same thing the Patriots 213 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: had going for two decades, which is that you just 214 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 3: expect the Patriots to be in the AFC Championship Game 215 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: and a. 216 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 4: Whole bunch of Super Bowls. 217 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: Now, of course, the Center win it every single year 218 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 3: when and when the Ravens beat them in twenty twelve, 219 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: like they beat them, they blew them out. They blew 220 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 3: the doors off of them in the second half. And 221 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 3: that's easier said than done. But if you're in a 222 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: close game with these types of teams, it's really hard. 223 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 3: I think it's it's exponentially harder to win those close 224 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: games against these dynasty teams when. 225 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: It's complimentary team football, you know, I mean the Bills, 226 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: the door was open, right the Chiefs went down the 227 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: field they are late in the fourth quarter, and it 228 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,679 Speaker 1: sittled for a thirty five yard field goal. Right, they 229 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: went up thirty two to twenty nine with thirty thirty 230 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: three left. The door was open for the Bills to 231 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: drive back down. But it's not just Mahomes and Kelsey 232 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: in the offense, right then the defense gets that stuff. 233 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: Can somebody hire Steve Spagnolo, by the way, I mean, 234 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: how many Chris Jones said it after the game. He's like, 235 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna keep being good as long as y'all stop 236 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: keep not hiring Steve Spagnola to be a head coach. 237 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: What can we get this guy out of here? 238 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: I know, I know, every year it's like Spag's one 239 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 3: of the best defensive coaches in football every single year, 240 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: and he's been there for so long and and they 241 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: just he makes the right calls in the right situations. 242 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: And Chris Jones, like I talk about the trifecta with Mahomes, 243 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: Kelsey and Andy Reid, Like Chris Jones is kind of 244 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 3: in that mix too. 245 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 4: That guy is a Hall of Fame caliber player, so. 246 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: Disruptive, and he's a huge part of the reason that 247 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: they've they've been to three straight now. 248 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean what this is for the 249 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: Ravens and for Lamar Jackson since of course the conversation 250 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: always centers around Lamar is this is a Michael Jordan's situation. 251 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: You know, Michael Jordan denied a lot of very good 252 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 1: basketball players. They're the Nbahampionship, Patrick Ewing, Karl Loan, Charles Barkley, 253 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, John Stockton. Those guys never got a title 254 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: because they played in the Jordan era, right, And the 255 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: Ravens have to and Lamar Jackson have to slay that, right. 256 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: But that's what they're looking at, that's what they're facing 257 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: right now. And does that mean Lamar and co can't 258 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 1: do it. No, they have to be that much better 259 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: than the Chiefs. Because the Chiefs are going to keep 260 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: playing the Chiefs football, which is generally mistake free football. 261 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: They're gonna be good in these tight spots, Like you 262 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: have to be that much better to get past them. 263 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: And can the Ravens do it? Like, yeah, I think 264 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: they can do. 265 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: It, but obviously it's very hard. 266 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: The Ravens have to first and foremost to beat the Chiefs, 267 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: you have to play a clean football game like the 268 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: Bills did. Right. The Bills had a chance to win 269 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 1: because they played a clean football game. They had no turnovers, 270 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: so they gave themselves a chance at the end. They 271 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 1: didn't make the last play, but they were right there. 272 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: So that's where it starts for the Ravens to have 273 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: to get past the Chiefs. Then you have to you 274 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: have to make some spectacular plays. The Bills, you know, 275 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: they had the Dalton Kink drop. If they catch that ball, 276 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: do they win that game? 277 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 2: Maybe? 278 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: Or you got to make some spectacular plays. I have 279 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: no doubt that Lamar Jackson Company can do that. Right, 280 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: And like when you when you boil it down, you 281 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: just have to be that much better. 282 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 2: I think. 283 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: You know, the Chiefs like won a ton of close 284 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: games this year that were not pretty. They they were 285 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: not like and this is the chip on their shoulder 286 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: this year. Is like, oh, everybody thought this. The Chiefs 287 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: are down this year. Chiefs are down this year despite 288 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: the fact they only lost two games, right, Like, they 289 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: had a bunch of ugly wins, blocking field goals and 290 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: all kinds of ugly late scorer wins. But hey, it 291 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Like maybe they don't have this juggernaut of 292 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: a team, but you have to you have to be 293 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: the juggernaut if you're gonna knock them off, you know 294 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, you have to play clean football, 295 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: you have to make plays in clutch situations, and you 296 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: have to you have to be that much better because 297 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: you know that the Chiefs are not gonna they know 298 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: how to win, They're not gonna shoot themselves on the foot, 299 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: So you have to be that much better. 300 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're talking about getting past Chiefs like the 301 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: other elephant in the room, I guess is you got 302 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: to get there. Like it's not just the Chiefs. Of course, 303 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: the Chiefs are the champs. They are the ranning champs 304 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 3: of the AFC. Champs, and they've been to all these 305 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 3: AFC championship games and now they're going for the three 306 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: p on the Super Bowl. But obviously the Bills beat 307 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 3: the Ravens a week ago, and so the part of 308 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 3: the challenge year in the AFC is that it's just loaded. 309 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 4: It's loaded, and the Bills. 310 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: Aren't going away. I think that the Bengals are only 311 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: going to get stronger. They had a down year this year, 312 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: but they came on strong late in the year. And 313 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 3: the Texans have been to two straight Divisional round games, 314 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: and so you have this AFC that is loaded with talent, 315 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 3: and it's basically been the Chiefs and everybody else trying 316 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: to get to their point, get to that point. 317 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 4: But like the road to get there is not going 318 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: to be easy. 319 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 3: Like we spent a lot of time in the last 320 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: month of the season this year talking about the road 321 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 3: and the playoff map and all that stuff, and like, 322 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: it's just not going to be an easy path. I 323 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: don't think. I don't as I look as I forecast 324 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: this out over the course of the next few years, 325 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: I don't see the path getting any easier because the 326 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: Bills and the Ravens are chasing the same thing, and 327 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 3: they're only going to get more motivated and hardened by 328 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: these experiences. And I think that other teams are going 329 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: to come into the mix too, and I think it's 330 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: only going to make things challenging. And so it's like 331 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: you have everybody's chasing the Chiefs and you can talk 332 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 3: about them and trying to get past them and all that, 333 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 3: and like, I totally get why we're having that conversation, 334 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: but then like it's not just them, it's just there's 335 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: like as the Ravens know, and so you have these 336 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: other teams that are also in that mix that it's 337 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: going to be. So that's why they I think that's 338 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: what makes things so hard right now is that the 339 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 3: AFC is loaded with talent and you have these premier quarterbacks, 340 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: hall of Fame level quarterbacks who are who are all 341 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 3: jocking for that spot and you're looking for a chance. 342 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 4: To knock them off. 343 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: Now, you go back into like the nineties in the 344 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 3: early two thousands, and there was this kind of going 345 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: on and with Peyton Manning and he was he was 346 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 3: a great quarterback, was building a Hall of Fame resume 347 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: but hadn't made it yet and was knocking on the 348 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 3: door and that was part of his early legacy, and 349 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 3: then of course he made it and went and then won. 350 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 4: Two Super Bowls. 351 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: I think that I still think that's going to happen. 352 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: The question is is that with the Ravens, you know? 353 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: Is that with the Bills? Is it with both of them? 354 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: I think that that's part of the challenge here, and 355 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: both those teams are trying to kind of both teams 356 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 3: and both quarterbacks are kind of trying to write that 357 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: Peyton Manning esque story in this conversation. 358 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And Lamar Jackson is obviously talented enough, 359 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: and I thought, you know, obviously the true turnovers are 360 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: really really upsetting. That was another point, by the way, 361 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: could we not have had that weather? If the Ravens 362 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: had that weather that was yesterday? Both these games like 363 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: no precipitation, no snow, all that stuff, Like does the 364 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: ball not slip out Lamar Jackson's hands? 365 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 4: I mean yeah, or. 366 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: It looks like I was like, is this game being 367 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: played September tenth? 368 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 4: What's going on here? 369 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: Could we not have gotten that weather? 370 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 4: Was that a Doman, Kansas City? 371 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? Seriously? 372 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I think I think the Ravens would have 373 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: had a better chance of beating the Bills, certainly if 374 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: there was not precipitation. 375 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: But I digress. 376 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like Lamar Jackson is is absolutely talented 377 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: enough to do so, but so is like you're saying, 378 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: Josh Allen is talented enough to get over that hump. 379 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 2: Like these they. 380 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: Are in we're right now in a golden era. It 381 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: feels like of quarterbacking in the AFC. And you know, 382 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: I part of me, part of me almost feels like, 383 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: let like the if the Chiefs three p I kind 384 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: of want to slay the dragon. 385 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 2: I kind of want to slay the dragon, you know 386 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: what I mean? 387 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I get that. 388 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 3: Or maybe you're just hoping for the three peat and 389 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 3: they all just decide Kelsey decides to hang it up, 390 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 3: and he redecides hanging up. 391 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 2: I'm cool with that too. I'm find with that. 392 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: I don't think Andy's hanging it up, but maybe maybe Kelsey, 393 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, but uh, but that's like, of course, 394 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: while I'm watching, I'm I don't want the Chiefs to win, 395 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, like because I'm just tired of seeing them win. 396 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: And but like another part of me and out there 397 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and and I probably. 398 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 2: Still won't want them to win. 399 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: I will probably still be rooting for the Eagles, but 400 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: like another part of me, and that I'll talk myself 401 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: into if they do, is like all right, like they're 402 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: gonna make history. I want to I want to slay 403 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: the dragon. I want to be the one that beats 404 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: the first team that ever repeted, you know what I mean. Like, 405 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: and that's the mentality the Ravens are gonna have to have. 406 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I'll tell you. Watching the Eagles play, 407 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: that's that made me think, man, like, you know, with 408 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: that run game and how dangerous it is, and then 409 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: you have your quarterback making plays and and scoreding touchdowns, 410 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,360 Speaker 1: you know, run the ball like, man. 411 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 2: Could that have been the Ravens? 412 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 413 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that was the recipe. 414 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 4: Yeah. 415 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 3: Now, of course we'll see how it plays out in 416 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: the super Bowl. That's that's kind of the next the 417 00:18:58,640 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 3: next question there. 418 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 1: So it would have it would have been a tough 419 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: I will say, Ravens Eagles in the Super Bowl would 420 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: have been awesome. 421 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: The Eagles. Of probably all the. 422 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: Games the Ravens played this year, the Eagles I think 423 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: were the toughest game for the Ravens over the whole 424 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: the course of the year. 425 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were great. They were a great team. They're 426 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 3: really good defense, dominant running game, big receivers. 427 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: I mean, that was a twenty four to twelve game 428 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: the Ravens and John Harball brought this up in the 429 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: season ending press cors like you never really see us 430 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: get beat beat you know, we lose games sometimes, but 431 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 1: but and that's like whatever loss is a loss, but 432 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: like you got to be proud, Like the Ravens always 433 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: fight tough, they play hard, and they play well and 434 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: they you never see the Ravens get blown out. The 435 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: Eagles game was probably the closest. I mean that was 436 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: a twelve point game with a minute left. The Ravens 437 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: got touchdown late in that game. But the Eagles are good. 438 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 4: Yeah they are. 439 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 3: It'll it'll be a h it'll be an interesting super 440 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 3: Bowl if you can just be objective about it, which 441 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: is sorry for Ravens fans, certainly. 442 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 4: It'll be it'll be a really I think it'll be 443 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 4: good game. It'll be a good game. 444 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 3: Let's a quick break and then when we come back, 445 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: have an email to read and we'll put some closing 446 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 3: thoughts on this conversation you're listening to the Lage podcast. 447 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 3: We're coming to you from the Sea Keek studio. We 448 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: also want to mention our partners at Draft Kings Sportsbook. 449 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 3: They are an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore 450 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 3: Ravens Draftking Sportsbook. The Crown is yours. So I have 451 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 3: an email here. It is from Matt Siegelstein, and this 452 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 3: is kind of to the whole conversation that we're having here. 453 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 3: It was a long email, but this is the part 454 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 3: I want to read. A set of reason for optimism. 455 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 3: I've never felt better about a Ravens roster after a 456 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 3: playoff loss. We need to keep adding pieces at key 457 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: positions like receiver, O line edge. But this team is talented, complete, 458 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: and as deep as any in football. We'll be right 459 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: back in this position next year, and they need to 460 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 3: simply cut down on the mistakes. His point is the 461 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 3: focus of next year needs to be playing a clean 462 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 3: brand of football, clean up penalties, turnovers and drops, and 463 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 3: this team will be nearly impossible to beat. I'm hoping 464 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: to see that version of the Ravens at twenty twenty five, 465 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: So we like spend all this time talking about how 466 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 3: you beat the Chiefs and how they're play mistake free football, 467 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: and the self fulfilling prophecy is like, what is your take? 468 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 3: Do you? Like, how do you play clean football? Because 469 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 3: everyone's aiming to do that, Like if you're if there's 470 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: a coach who's coaching like seventh grade football, he's going 471 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: to say, don't turn the ball over this week, and 472 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 3: that's what everybody says, And so how do you do 473 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 3: that in these types of really hard, high pressure situations. 474 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that is going to be a focus. 475 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: That is going to be a focus and priority all summer. 476 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: You know. 477 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: One I noticed one play that Travis Kelsey made where 478 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: he does that thing where he catches and he loops. 479 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: He kind of does this long loop and. 480 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: Gets back it gets upfield right like he kind of 481 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 1: cuts back a little bit and loops around. And that's 482 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: to a degree similar to what Mark Andrews did when 483 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: he fumbled in the fourth quarter. But I noticed that Kelsey, 484 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: it's two hands up right on his chest that whole 485 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: time that he's running, that ball is locked up right 486 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: there against his chest and that's the way he's running. 487 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: And like, I think that that will be something Ravens 488 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: coaches are it has it has to be consistent. This 489 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: has to just be part of your DNA over the 490 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: summer of like it is ball security, and I think 491 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: they already stressed that can you do it more? I 492 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: don't know remember when Todd Monkin ran over during Steelers 493 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: week to the drill and said, now we're not doing 494 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: the drill like that, We're doing it like this, Like 495 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: we are taking that ball security drill that much more, 496 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: you know, putting that much more empass on it and 497 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: taking it that much more seriously. I think that that 498 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: will be a big focus this offseason and and throughout 499 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: the training camp throughout the season, Like because I agree 500 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 1: with the email, like I look at this roster and 501 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 1: how much talent the Ravens have coming back, and by 502 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: the way, it looks like Todd Munkin has a very 503 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: good chance of coming back, which I think is huge. 504 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: There's only one vacancy still left open, which is the 505 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,399 Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints, which there's been no connections with Todd 506 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: and the Saints in terms of interviews and requested interviews 507 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: and all that. So it's looking really good on that front. 508 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: Not official knock on wood, but with Monkin coming back. 509 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: With the talent that the Ravens have, they'll improve the roster. Again, 510 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 1: they're in not in bad salary cap shape, and we'll 511 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: review that later this week in our kind of off 512 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: season blueprint looking ahead to what we think the Ravens 513 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: can do. But I agree with the email, like this 514 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: team on paper, and they're gonna face a lot of 515 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: good competition this year, so let's not forget that. But 516 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: like they're gonna be really really good. The Ravens are, 517 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: and if they can take care of the football, that's 518 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: kind of my point of like, you have to be 519 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: that much better than the Chiefs. Can the Ravens be 520 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: that much better than the Chiefs? I think they can? 521 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 4: Mm hmm, yeah. 522 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 3: I think this team. I think this team will absolutely 523 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 3: be a real contender in the AFC again in twenty 524 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 3: twenty five. They're gonna be right there. I think they're 525 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: gonna be one of the best teams. I think they 526 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 3: have one of the best quarterbacks and there's no reason 527 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 3: in my mind to believe that there's gonna be any 528 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 3: real drop off with the Ravens. And I think but 529 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 3: like I said earlier, the challenge is that, like I'm 530 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 3: not looking at a big drop off from the Bills. 531 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: I'm not looking off at a big drop off from 532 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: the Bengals necessarily. I'm not looking at We'll see what 533 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: happens with the Chiefs. But like everyone, Bengals are gonna 534 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 3: lose a wide receiver. 535 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 4: That's a question. 536 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, But like so so yeah, Like there's all these teams, 537 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 3: Like I think the Ravens is gonna be right there, 538 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: and I think the Ravens is gonna be in a 539 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 3: thick of that competition, But the competition isn't going away, 540 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 3: and it's not like the path is completely clear for them. 541 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 3: They're gonna have this wrong road. And obviously there's like 542 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 3: a lot there will be a lot of discussion between 543 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 3: now and at this point and again next year. But 544 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 3: I absolutely agree that the Ravens are gonna be one 545 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: of the best teams again in the AFC next year 546 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 3: and and they're gonna have a chance. 547 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: And sometimes sometimes you also just need the breaks to 548 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: go your way, Like I I genuinely there's a ton 549 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: of factors that go into who wins a football game, 550 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: and like there is an element of luck and just 551 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 1: bad bounces going against you, and the Ravens have. I 552 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: think they've been unlucky, right, Like, how many times does 553 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: that say flowers play happened in the AFC Championship game, 554 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: guys literally an inch from the end zone. 555 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I thought about that with James Cook yesterday. 556 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: I was like James Cook when he reaches out over 557 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: the goal, that gives me flashbacks. 558 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,239 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I thought the same exact thing, you know, 559 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: And like, uh, obviously Mark and his drops and the fumble, yeah, 560 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: and fumbles. This went like I think the Ravens have 561 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: had bad luck. I just do, And like maybe that 562 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: means they're due. Maybe that means their luck is about 563 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: to change, you know. But you have to do all 564 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: the things in your control right to try to like 565 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: the Chiefs right, like they they put themselves in the 566 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: right situation enough times that even if things don't go 567 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: their way, which they almost always do, like the spot 568 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: on fourth down of course that you know, of course 569 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: it looks like Josh Allen's over the line, but there's 570 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: spot spot him short. But you put yourself in the 571 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: right position enough times, you kind of make your own 572 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: luck to a degree. Right, It's not lucky if you're 573 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: lucky all the time. 574 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally so we always appreciate the emails. You can 575 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: email us the lounge at Ravens dot NFL dot net. 576 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: As Ryan mentioned, we're gonna do our full off season 577 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 3: blueprint later this week, so, uh, how does your emails 578 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 3: let us know what you want to see take place 579 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 3: over the course of this offseason. We always appreciate hearing 580 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 3: from you, so thank you so much for listening. We'll 581 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 3: be back with you again later this week.