1 00:00:04,755 --> 00:00:08,995 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:25,315 --> 00:00:28,275 Speaker 1: Is it possible Trump has gone to the Supreme Court 3 00:00:28,315 --> 00:00:31,515 Speaker 1: to protect the timing of his formal announcement that he 4 00:00:31,595 --> 00:00:37,395 Speaker 1: is running for president. That could be the only coherent 5 00:00:37,515 --> 00:00:41,675 Speaker 1: explanation for his appeal of the Special Master Compromise and 6 00:00:41,675 --> 00:00:44,595 Speaker 1: appeals so narrow and technical that a legal friend of 7 00:00:44,635 --> 00:00:47,435 Speaker 1: mine set it's like asking to have the ruling overturned 8 00:00:47,795 --> 00:00:51,075 Speaker 1: because there was a comma in paragraph thirty seven instead 9 00:00:51,115 --> 00:00:55,555 Speaker 1: of a semi colon. Here is the timing theory. Trump 10 00:00:55,795 --> 00:00:59,435 Speaker 1: gets that announcing his candidacy before the midterms, especially now 11 00:00:59,595 --> 00:01:02,555 Speaker 1: in the final months, could tip a series of close 12 00:01:02,595 --> 00:01:07,875 Speaker 1: elections nationwide again the Republican fascists, and motivate the Democrats 13 00:01:07,875 --> 00:01:10,475 Speaker 1: that much more to show up and vote. Trump does 14 00:01:10,515 --> 00:01:13,635 Speaker 1: not give a damn about the Republicans. Of course, he's 15 00:01:13,675 --> 00:01:16,915 Speaker 1: not a human being the way we understand the species. 16 00:01:17,435 --> 00:01:22,195 Speaker 1: But he needs as many Republicans supervising the election at 17 00:01:22,195 --> 00:01:25,195 Speaker 1: the state level and maybe controlling the House and the 18 00:01:25,235 --> 00:01:28,835 Speaker 1: Senate to help him claim victory by any means necessary 19 00:01:29,075 --> 00:01:33,155 Speaker 1: two years and one month from now. Thus, his plan 20 00:01:33,315 --> 00:01:37,275 Speaker 1: is to wait to announce his candidacy until next month 21 00:01:37,555 --> 00:01:40,435 Speaker 1: after the mid terms, get it done before Thanksgiving so 22 00:01:40,475 --> 00:01:43,675 Speaker 1: you don't get buried by the holiday news and holiday shopping, 23 00:01:44,275 --> 00:01:47,795 Speaker 1: And most importantly, get it done after the mid terms, 24 00:01:47,835 --> 00:01:52,235 Speaker 1: but before the Department of Justice indicts him. The only 25 00:01:52,275 --> 00:01:54,675 Speaker 1: way to do that is to keep up the full 26 00:01:54,795 --> 00:01:59,475 Speaker 1: court stall in the courts for another few weeks. It 27 00:01:59,635 --> 00:02:01,955 Speaker 1: is hard to know if Trump thinks an indictment will 28 00:02:01,995 --> 00:02:05,155 Speaker 1: help his candidacy or hurt it. He knows at either 29 00:02:05,235 --> 00:02:08,075 Speaker 1: way he can fund raise off of it. He could 30 00:02:08,155 --> 00:02:10,755 Speaker 1: even still believe that the Department of Justice would not 31 00:02:10,915 --> 00:02:14,795 Speaker 1: indict him because he is a declared presidential candidate. And 32 00:02:14,835 --> 00:02:18,635 Speaker 1: while that theory sounds like Trump to his hollowed out core, 33 00:02:19,155 --> 00:02:21,555 Speaker 1: it is undermined by the reality that if he really 34 00:02:21,595 --> 00:02:25,075 Speaker 1: thought declaring for the presidency, who would protect him from indictment, 35 00:02:25,315 --> 00:02:27,955 Speaker 1: He would have done it yesterday or during the raid 36 00:02:28,035 --> 00:02:34,075 Speaker 1: on August eight, or on January or in November of 37 00:02:34,115 --> 00:02:40,035 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen, whatever the exact machinations going on inside 38 00:02:40,035 --> 00:02:44,035 Speaker 1: Trump world. This filing is bull crap. It is boiler plate. 39 00:02:44,275 --> 00:02:46,995 Speaker 1: It is the twenty five page paper you have to write, 40 00:02:47,235 --> 00:02:49,155 Speaker 1: and when you run out of the nonsense, you have 41 00:02:49,235 --> 00:02:52,155 Speaker 1: prepared for it. You wrap it up with in conclusion, 42 00:02:52,235 --> 00:02:56,515 Speaker 1: Trump world is a land of contrasts, and it gets dropped. 43 00:02:56,595 --> 00:03:00,475 Speaker 1: This paper does in the lap of Clarence Thomas. We 44 00:03:00,555 --> 00:03:03,715 Speaker 1: know what Clarence Thomas is. Now we are simply haggling 45 00:03:03,755 --> 00:03:07,355 Speaker 1: about the price and how much of one he is 46 00:03:07,675 --> 00:03:10,595 Speaker 1: and how much of American law he is willing to overrule. 47 00:03:10,995 --> 00:03:14,035 Speaker 1: And in learning those things we will find out exactly 48 00:03:14,075 --> 00:03:17,955 Speaker 1: how irretrievably corrupt our judicial system has become, especially our 49 00:03:18,035 --> 00:03:23,595 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. To recap the legal stall so far, First, 50 00:03:23,755 --> 00:03:26,755 Speaker 1: Trump's judge, one of the last he ever appointed, Eileen Cannon, 51 00:03:26,955 --> 00:03:30,115 Speaker 1: paid him back for the job, which, if you've seen 52 00:03:30,155 --> 00:03:33,915 Speaker 1: her rulings, she clearly needs. Paid him back for the 53 00:03:33,995 --> 00:03:37,035 Speaker 1: job by ruling against all precedent to throw the monkey 54 00:03:37,075 --> 00:03:40,435 Speaker 1: wrench of a special Master into the proceedings that did 55 00:03:40,475 --> 00:03:43,955 Speaker 1: not require one. Then the Eleventh Circuit of Court of 56 00:03:43,995 --> 00:03:47,075 Speaker 1: Appeals said, find whatever, but the special Master does not 57 00:03:47,195 --> 00:03:51,515 Speaker 1: get to review one hundred and three ultra classified documents. 58 00:03:52,275 --> 00:03:54,715 Speaker 1: The next stage after that was to appeal to the 59 00:03:54,755 --> 00:03:56,875 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. In the way that is done is for 60 00:03:56,955 --> 00:04:01,035 Speaker 1: whichever Supreme Court justice has jurisdiction over the Eleventh Circuit 61 00:04:01,035 --> 00:04:04,235 Speaker 1: Appeals Court to investigate the case and potentially issue and 62 00:04:04,315 --> 00:04:09,035 Speaker 1: immerge agency order. In that context, the Eleventh Circuit Appeals 63 00:04:09,035 --> 00:04:14,595 Speaker 1: Court belongs to Clarence Thomas. His job, from the Trump viewpoint, 64 00:04:14,755 --> 00:04:18,875 Speaker 1: is to delay everything. Thomas almost immediately responded to the 65 00:04:18,875 --> 00:04:22,475 Speaker 1: filing by giving the Department of Justice until next Tuesday 66 00:04:22,515 --> 00:04:25,035 Speaker 1: at five pm to respond to the motion. So tack 67 00:04:25,115 --> 00:04:27,595 Speaker 1: on an extra week to the delay of Trump being 68 00:04:27,595 --> 00:04:31,155 Speaker 1: indicted or not indicted, or whatever he is delaying for, 69 00:04:31,675 --> 00:04:34,155 Speaker 1: and tack on how many more weeks of delay if 70 00:04:34,195 --> 00:04:36,955 Speaker 1: Thomas does what Trump expects him to do. After that, 71 00:04:37,675 --> 00:04:42,675 Speaker 1: Thomas could uphold the actual law. But it's Clarence Thomas. 72 00:04:42,715 --> 00:04:44,915 Speaker 1: He knows what's expected of him. He knows that the 73 00:04:44,955 --> 00:04:46,955 Speaker 1: motion he's been asked to rule on might as well 74 00:04:46,995 --> 00:04:51,235 Speaker 1: be thirty five blank pages. The New York Times put 75 00:04:51,275 --> 00:04:54,355 Speaker 1: the biggest tell of the meaninglessness of the Trump appeal 76 00:04:54,475 --> 00:04:56,755 Speaker 1: right up near the top of their story in paragraph 77 00:04:56,875 --> 00:05:01,235 Speaker 1: to quoting Today's paper. Trump's lawyers did not ask the 78 00:05:01,275 --> 00:05:04,035 Speaker 1: Supreme Court to overturn the most important part of the 79 00:05:04,075 --> 00:05:08,195 Speaker 1: Appeals Art's intervention, its decision to free the Justice Department 80 00:05:08,355 --> 00:05:12,315 Speaker 1: to continue using documents with classification markings in its criminal 81 00:05:12,315 --> 00:05:16,755 Speaker 1: investigation of Mr Trump. I'll also quote Ryan Goodman from 82 00:05:16,795 --> 00:05:19,795 Speaker 1: Just Security for the millionth time. Goodman notes that the 83 00:05:19,795 --> 00:05:23,035 Speaker 1: Trump appeal to Clarence Thomas claims the Special Master was 84 00:05:23,115 --> 00:05:26,835 Speaker 1: supposed to see the classified documents so that he could 85 00:05:26,955 --> 00:05:31,075 Speaker 1: rule on the issue of declassification, even though nowhere in 86 00:05:31,115 --> 00:05:34,835 Speaker 1: any of Trump's vast bowl of legal bullcrap have his 87 00:05:34,915 --> 00:05:38,875 Speaker 1: lawyers even once asserted that Trump declassified any of these documents. 88 00:05:39,515 --> 00:05:43,755 Speaker 1: Goodman also notes Trump's lawyers quote apparently believe in a 89 00:05:43,875 --> 00:05:49,595 Speaker 1: category of documents that's both classified and his personal record. 90 00:05:50,715 --> 00:05:53,635 Speaker 1: Other legal observers emphasized that Trump is asking Thomas to 91 00:05:53,675 --> 00:05:56,515 Speaker 1: agree that the Eleventh Circuit Appeals Court had no jurisdiction, 92 00:05:56,755 --> 00:05:59,595 Speaker 1: that it had no right to mess with what Trump's 93 00:05:59,675 --> 00:06:02,835 Speaker 1: Special Master could and could not see, which is almost 94 00:06:02,875 --> 00:06:06,675 Speaker 1: exactly as nonsensical as Trump were now arguing that Clarence 95 00:06:06,715 --> 00:06:10,075 Speaker 1: Thomas and the Supreme Court had no jurisdiction to overrule 96 00:06:10,115 --> 00:06:14,355 Speaker 1: the Eleventh Circuit Appeals Court. There is one legal theory 97 00:06:14,635 --> 00:06:17,955 Speaker 1: that goes this way that beyond the stall, Trump may 98 00:06:17,955 --> 00:06:21,715 Speaker 1: be running a second scam here that he no longer 99 00:06:21,835 --> 00:06:24,875 Speaker 1: has copies of the one hundred and three classified documents 100 00:06:24,915 --> 00:06:27,795 Speaker 1: that are at the heart of his plea to Clarence Thomas, 101 00:06:27,835 --> 00:06:31,235 Speaker 1: and that if Thomas rules in Trump's favor, the Special 102 00:06:31,275 --> 00:06:34,275 Speaker 1: Master gets copies of those one hundred and three documents, 103 00:06:34,595 --> 00:06:38,395 Speaker 1: and so do Trump's lawyers, and thus Trump gets one 104 00:06:38,515 --> 00:06:43,435 Speaker 1: hundred and three classified documents back for whatever purpose. Exactly 105 00:06:43,475 --> 00:06:46,115 Speaker 1: what Trump would do with them, however, is far from clear, 106 00:06:46,115 --> 00:06:49,475 Speaker 1: except maybe put himself at further risk of possessing documents 107 00:06:49,515 --> 00:06:52,235 Speaker 1: that our form of government says he is not supposed 108 00:06:52,235 --> 00:06:55,395 Speaker 1: to have. I would joke that he wants copies of 109 00:06:55,435 --> 00:06:57,915 Speaker 1: the documents so he can frame them and hang them 110 00:06:57,955 --> 00:07:00,835 Speaker 1: on his wall at Marilago. But you and I both 111 00:07:00,875 --> 00:07:02,915 Speaker 1: know that framing and hanging them on his wall might 112 00:07:02,955 --> 00:07:07,195 Speaker 1: actually be the reasons he it's the copies. There is 113 00:07:07,275 --> 00:07:11,515 Speaker 1: one last question of timing here, beyond Trump's desire to 114 00:07:11,555 --> 00:07:15,875 Speaker 1: stall to control when the Department of Justice moves against him, 115 00:07:15,995 --> 00:07:22,115 Speaker 1: any legal noise he makes takes attention away from other courtrooms. 116 00:07:22,155 --> 00:07:26,435 Speaker 1: And today testimony resumes at the oathkeeper's trial, where yesterday 117 00:07:26,475 --> 00:07:29,755 Speaker 1: there were two bombshells that probably did not get the 118 00:07:29,795 --> 00:07:34,635 Speaker 1: notice they deserve. First, that somebody who attended a planning 119 00:07:34,755 --> 00:07:39,355 Speaker 1: meeting of Trump's would be stormtroopers in November made a 120 00:07:39,395 --> 00:07:42,715 Speaker 1: recording of that meeting and sent a tip to the 121 00:07:42,795 --> 00:07:47,955 Speaker 1: FBI later that month, a tip which the FBI ignored, 122 00:07:48,555 --> 00:07:50,955 Speaker 1: a tip the FBI did not respond to, in fact, 123 00:07:51,035 --> 00:07:54,555 Speaker 1: until Trump was long gone in March of one, when 124 00:07:54,595 --> 00:07:59,355 Speaker 1: the recordist resent the tip. The other bombshell is what 125 00:07:59,395 --> 00:08:02,955 Speaker 1: was on that tape that the prosecution played. We're not 126 00:08:03,075 --> 00:08:05,395 Speaker 1: getting out of this without a fight. There's going to 127 00:08:05,435 --> 00:08:09,075 Speaker 1: be a fight, says oath Keeper's chief Elmer Stewart. You'll 128 00:08:09,115 --> 00:08:12,635 Speaker 1: shoot your eye out roads. But let's just do it smart, 129 00:08:12,755 --> 00:08:16,315 Speaker 1: and let's do it while President Trump is still commander 130 00:08:16,395 --> 00:08:20,675 Speaker 1: in chief. If the fight comes, Rhad says, let the 131 00:08:20,715 --> 00:08:25,195 Speaker 1: fight come, Let Antifa go. If they go knnectic on us, 132 00:08:25,235 --> 00:08:29,315 Speaker 1: then we'll go connectic back on them. Remember the oath 133 00:08:29,395 --> 00:08:32,475 Speaker 1: Keeper's defenses, They were only there to act legally on 134 00:08:32,595 --> 00:08:35,955 Speaker 1: legal orders they knew Trump was about to legally issue. 135 00:08:36,235 --> 00:08:40,715 Speaker 1: This doesn't sound like that quote. I'm willing to sacrifice 136 00:08:40,755 --> 00:08:44,435 Speaker 1: myself for that. If things go connectic, good. If they 137 00:08:44,475 --> 00:08:47,755 Speaker 1: blow bombs up and shoot us, great, because that brings 138 00:08:47,755 --> 00:08:51,955 Speaker 1: the president reason and rationale to invoke the Insurrection Act. 139 00:08:52,275 --> 00:08:54,635 Speaker 1: Our mission is going to be to go into d C. 140 00:08:54,755 --> 00:08:57,035 Speaker 1: But I do want some oath Keepers to stay on 141 00:08:57,075 --> 00:09:01,075 Speaker 1: the outside and to stay fully armed and prepared to 142 00:09:01,155 --> 00:09:03,955 Speaker 1: go in if they have to. So if the S 143 00:09:03,995 --> 00:09:09,275 Speaker 1: word kicks off, then you rock and roll. I am 144 00:09:09,315 --> 00:09:12,915 Speaker 1: now saying this for the third time. Every day of 145 00:09:12,995 --> 00:09:16,115 Speaker 1: the oath Keeper's trial is going to look worse for 146 00:09:16,195 --> 00:09:20,555 Speaker 1: Trump than did the day before. What the prosecution is 147 00:09:20,635 --> 00:09:23,715 Speaker 1: laying out is a clear picture of what the oath 148 00:09:23,795 --> 00:09:28,275 Speaker 1: Keepers planned of violent insurrection to overturn the outcome of 149 00:09:28,315 --> 00:09:32,555 Speaker 1: the presidential election, while simultaneously providing Trump with an excuse 150 00:09:32,795 --> 00:09:38,195 Speaker 1: to use the Insurrection Act and end democracy in our country. 151 00:09:38,395 --> 00:09:42,755 Speaker 1: All prosecutors now have to do is show who outside 152 00:09:42,755 --> 00:09:45,915 Speaker 1: the oath Keepers knew of the plotting of this nightmare. 153 00:09:46,515 --> 00:09:52,715 Speaker 1: The Proud Boys stopped the steel Roger Stone, and that's 154 00:09:52,755 --> 00:09:56,435 Speaker 1: bad for Trump, but not fatal. What if it's Mark Meadows, 155 00:09:57,315 --> 00:10:02,115 Speaker 1: Cash Patel, if it's Junior Trump, well it's any of them, 156 00:10:02,115 --> 00:10:04,555 Speaker 1: then you and I both know who must have also known. 157 00:10:04,675 --> 00:10:06,835 Speaker 1: And if a link between the oath Keepers and Trump 158 00:10:06,915 --> 00:10:10,955 Speaker 1: himself is proved, all the Clarence Thomas is in the 159 00:10:10,995 --> 00:10:27,035 Speaker 1: world are not going to save Donald Trump's ass. Still 160 00:10:27,075 --> 00:10:29,795 Speaker 1: ahead on countdown. The herschel Walker blowback is not about 161 00:10:29,835 --> 00:10:33,675 Speaker 1: herschel Walker, It's about his son. That home run thing 162 00:10:33,755 --> 00:10:37,515 Speaker 1: is over. The ball was caught by an investment millionaire. 163 00:10:38,395 --> 00:10:41,315 Speaker 1: I'll explain again how nearly all of baseball's records are 164 00:10:41,355 --> 00:10:44,595 Speaker 1: not simple questions of who had the largest or greatest number, 165 00:10:44,835 --> 00:10:47,155 Speaker 1: but what the context is. And so you and I 166 00:10:47,155 --> 00:10:51,075 Speaker 1: are perfectly entitled to say Aaron Judges sixty two homers 167 00:10:51,515 --> 00:10:55,075 Speaker 1: are more than Barry Bonds is seventy three. And they 168 00:10:55,315 --> 00:10:58,155 Speaker 1: knew no woman would ever succeed anchoring the news in 169 00:10:58,275 --> 00:11:00,755 Speaker 1: prime time. They knew no L G B, t Q 170 00:11:00,995 --> 00:11:04,915 Speaker 1: woman would attract male viewers, and they knew MSNBC would 171 00:11:04,995 --> 00:11:09,755 Speaker 1: never support two liberal shows. It is a big anniversary 172 00:11:09,835 --> 00:11:13,035 Speaker 1: in the year long struggle to get Rachel Maddow her 173 00:11:13,115 --> 00:11:25,555 Speaker 1: own damn program. That's next. This is countdown. You know, 174 00:11:25,715 --> 00:11:35,355 Speaker 1: this is countdown with you know, Keith Aberman, Thank you. 175 00:11:35,435 --> 00:11:38,435 Speaker 1: Richard Lewis still head uncountdown. Aaron Judge does it, and 176 00:11:38,475 --> 00:11:41,315 Speaker 1: of course you can say he now holds the all 177 00:11:41,435 --> 00:11:45,235 Speaker 1: time baseball home run record. Half of baseball's records are 178 00:11:45,235 --> 00:11:50,595 Speaker 1: not just numerical bests, their math with context. First, in 179 00:11:50,635 --> 00:11:52,635 Speaker 1: each edition of Countdown, we feature a dog in need 180 00:11:52,635 --> 00:11:56,075 Speaker 1: whom you can help. Every dog has its day to Greenville, 181 00:11:56,075 --> 00:11:58,875 Speaker 1: Tennessee and Ranger And you know why they used the 182 00:11:58,875 --> 00:12:02,475 Speaker 1: cliche like he was hit by a truck nine months 183 00:12:02,515 --> 00:12:06,675 Speaker 1: old and beautiful jet black shepherd. Ranger was hit by 184 00:12:06,715 --> 00:12:10,915 Speaker 1: a truck, broken pelvis, broken legs. He said, one surgery 185 00:12:10,955 --> 00:12:13,635 Speaker 1: to repair his femur at both of his back legs 186 00:12:13,675 --> 00:12:16,955 Speaker 1: and he will need three more operations. Big Dog Haven 187 00:12:16,955 --> 00:12:19,595 Speaker 1: in Tennessee is doing a fundraiser for him on Cuddly 188 00:12:19,955 --> 00:12:22,435 Speaker 1: if you can donate, or just look for my tweet 189 00:12:22,475 --> 00:12:25,155 Speaker 1: about him on Twitter on my feed for Dogs in 190 00:12:25,235 --> 00:12:30,555 Speaker 1: trouble at Tom Jumbo Grumbo If you can't donate, retweeting 191 00:12:30,595 --> 00:12:33,155 Speaker 1: his bio so others who might be able to concee 192 00:12:33,195 --> 00:12:37,395 Speaker 1: it will also help very much and thank you very much. 193 00:12:54,155 --> 00:12:59,195 Speaker 1: Postscripts to the news, some headlines, some commentaries, some snark. Dateline, Georgia, 194 00:12:59,435 --> 00:13:01,875 Speaker 1: what did you think herschel Walker was going to drop out? 195 00:13:02,555 --> 00:13:05,195 Speaker 1: Or that the Republicans were going to back away from him? 196 00:13:05,235 --> 00:13:09,355 Speaker 1: What did we learn from Trump? Lie whenever necessary, and 197 00:13:09,555 --> 00:13:13,635 Speaker 1: power at any price. Any damage to herschel Walker is 198 00:13:13,675 --> 00:13:16,195 Speaker 1: not going to come from his abortion, but from his 199 00:13:16,275 --> 00:13:20,595 Speaker 1: son who followed Monday's tweets with Tuesday's videos. And frankly, 200 00:13:20,635 --> 00:13:24,035 Speaker 1: they sound like two things. One they sound like a 201 00:13:24,115 --> 00:13:26,835 Speaker 1: kid with a terrible father who kept quiet about how 202 00:13:26,955 --> 00:13:30,675 Speaker 1: terrible he was until there was just one scandal too 203 00:13:30,715 --> 00:13:35,315 Speaker 1: many and he broke. And two they sound like every 204 00:13:35,355 --> 00:13:39,915 Speaker 1: campaign ad Senator Raphael Warnock could possibly need for the 205 00:13:39,955 --> 00:13:44,115 Speaker 1: next month. Family values people. He has four kids, four 206 00:13:44,155 --> 00:13:46,955 Speaker 1: different women. Wasn't in the house raising one of them. 207 00:13:47,235 --> 00:13:49,835 Speaker 1: He was out having sex with other women. Do you 208 00:13:49,875 --> 00:13:53,435 Speaker 1: care about family values? I was signed lie after life 209 00:13:53,435 --> 00:13:56,395 Speaker 1: after life. The abortion car drops yesterday. It's literally his 210 00:13:56,475 --> 00:13:58,715 Speaker 1: handwriting in the car. They say they have receipts. Whatever 211 00:13:58,915 --> 00:14:04,075 Speaker 1: he gets on Twitter, he lies about it done. Everything 212 00:14:04,275 --> 00:14:07,115 Speaker 1: has in a lie. And so for the right to 213 00:14:07,155 --> 00:14:10,075 Speaker 1: say I'm being suspicious for saying, hey, I'm done with 214 00:14:10,115 --> 00:14:12,555 Speaker 1: the Wise when you all have been calling me saying 215 00:14:12,675 --> 00:14:14,515 Speaker 1: is this true about your dad? Gosh, We're not gonna 216 00:14:14,515 --> 00:14:18,075 Speaker 1: win Georgia. This panic all day. That's big view. Naturally, 217 00:14:18,115 --> 00:14:21,795 Speaker 1: the GOP went after Christian Walker. Anonymous quote from near 218 00:14:21,875 --> 00:14:26,675 Speaker 1: herschel Walker deeply disturbed kid spoiled Bratt solely to blame 219 00:14:26,675 --> 00:14:29,555 Speaker 1: if herschel loses the race. You know you say that 220 00:14:29,675 --> 00:14:32,155 Speaker 1: last part as if it were a bad thing. Herschel 221 00:14:32,195 --> 00:14:34,315 Speaker 1: Walker has no more business being a U. S. Senator 222 00:14:34,315 --> 00:14:37,875 Speaker 1: than I do. Alright, well, significantly less than I do. 223 00:14:38,235 --> 00:14:41,355 Speaker 1: Also the tip of the old chapeau to conservative pundit 224 00:14:41,515 --> 00:14:45,635 Speaker 1: Eric Ericson, No seriously. When the Herschel Walker abortion story 225 00:14:45,675 --> 00:14:48,515 Speaker 1: broke Monday night, it was Ericson who wrote that he 226 00:14:48,555 --> 00:14:51,275 Speaker 1: thought everybody knew already and then it was old news. 227 00:14:51,355 --> 00:14:53,475 Speaker 1: He later deleted that tweet and then said that a 228 00:14:53,555 --> 00:14:57,275 Speaker 1: rumor was old news. Ericson was right about that, citing 229 00:14:57,355 --> 00:15:01,915 Speaker 1: four sources, Politico reports that months ago quote top Republicans 230 00:15:01,915 --> 00:15:05,115 Speaker 1: in the state, including those advising his team, warn Walker 231 00:15:05,475 --> 00:15:08,995 Speaker 1: that the story could torpedo his campaign and that some 232 00:15:09,115 --> 00:15:12,315 Speaker 1: Georgia Republicans wanted him to drop out because of the 233 00:15:12,355 --> 00:15:16,755 Speaker 1: abortion rumor. His team downplayed the potential disruption it would cause, 234 00:15:17,155 --> 00:15:20,035 Speaker 1: but according to one of those people, Political reports, they 235 00:15:20,035 --> 00:15:23,315 Speaker 1: did not outright deny it. It was it's not gonna 236 00:15:23,395 --> 00:15:27,995 Speaker 1: come out. There was one small surprise within minutes of 237 00:15:28,035 --> 00:15:31,515 Speaker 1: the revelation of the story, with receipts. Walker promised to 238 00:15:31,635 --> 00:15:34,675 Speaker 1: sue The Daily Beast. The next morning, his lawyer told 239 00:15:34,715 --> 00:15:38,595 Speaker 1: local reporters, we are currently considering our options, but no 240 00:15:38,795 --> 00:15:41,995 Speaker 1: final decision has been made on the future handling of 241 00:15:42,035 --> 00:15:46,115 Speaker 1: this matter. Or too long, didn't read what they're saying. 242 00:15:46,155 --> 00:16:05,075 Speaker 1: There is guilty. This is Sports Center. Wait, check that 243 00:16:06,155 --> 00:16:13,475 Speaker 1: not anymore. This is countdown with Keith Alberman. That should 244 00:16:13,475 --> 00:16:18,715 Speaker 1: have been uh what short version guilty in sports So 245 00:16:18,755 --> 00:16:21,475 Speaker 1: Aaron Judge finally did it first at bat second game 246 00:16:21,515 --> 00:16:24,075 Speaker 1: of the day night doubleheader of Texas last night while 247 00:16:24,075 --> 00:16:27,555 Speaker 1: picture hey sus Tinoco sixty two home runs and again, 248 00:16:27,595 --> 00:16:29,755 Speaker 1: from my money, that is the record. And let me 249 00:16:29,795 --> 00:16:33,675 Speaker 1: repeat why it is the record. By asking you a question, 250 00:16:33,995 --> 00:16:36,635 Speaker 1: who holds the Major League Baseball record for the most 251 00:16:36,755 --> 00:16:41,475 Speaker 1: strikeouts by a picture in one season? Most everybody, including me, 252 00:16:41,715 --> 00:16:45,435 Speaker 1: will say Nolan Ryan with three eighty three and three. 253 00:16:45,875 --> 00:16:49,075 Speaker 1: Except the most strikeouts in a season by a picture 254 00:16:49,115 --> 00:16:52,995 Speaker 1: in Major league history is actually five thirteen by Matt 255 00:16:53,075 --> 00:16:56,595 Speaker 1: Kilroy of the Baltimore Orioles of eighteen eighty six, and 256 00:16:56,715 --> 00:17:01,275 Speaker 1: nobody recognizes Matt Kilroy's five strikeouts as the record, even 257 00:17:01,315 --> 00:17:04,315 Speaker 1: though it is literally a hundred and thirty more strikeouts 258 00:17:04,315 --> 00:17:07,675 Speaker 1: the null and Ryan got, but applying the bonds rule, 259 00:17:07,835 --> 00:17:10,715 Speaker 1: kill Roy's number has to be the record. Five is 260 00:17:10,715 --> 00:17:13,635 Speaker 1: more than three eighty three. In fact, there are now 261 00:17:13,715 --> 00:17:16,395 Speaker 1: seven pitchers who strunk out more men in a season 262 00:17:16,395 --> 00:17:19,755 Speaker 1: than Nolan Ryan did. He is only eight on the 263 00:17:19,795 --> 00:17:23,755 Speaker 1: mathematical list. We do not count Matt Kilroy, and we 264 00:17:23,835 --> 00:17:28,595 Speaker 1: do count Nolan Ryan because of context. In Kilroy's season 265 00:17:28,675 --> 00:17:31,395 Speaker 1: of eighteen eighty six, the pitchers stood just fifty feet 266 00:17:31,435 --> 00:17:35,275 Speaker 1: away from the plate, not today's sixty ft six inches. Also, 267 00:17:35,635 --> 00:17:38,955 Speaker 1: you only got to walk after five balls, not four balls, 268 00:17:39,195 --> 00:17:41,395 Speaker 1: and eighteen eighty six was the first season that the 269 00:17:41,435 --> 00:17:44,755 Speaker 1: batter could no longer choose whether the pitcher through the 270 00:17:44,795 --> 00:17:48,715 Speaker 1: pitch high or low. Ricky Henderson is the stolen base 271 00:17:48,835 --> 00:17:51,035 Speaker 1: leader with a hundred and thirty, but somebody else had 272 00:17:51,035 --> 00:17:53,275 Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty eight in eighteen eighty seven. Who 273 00:17:53,275 --> 00:17:56,115 Speaker 1: has the wins record Denny mcclin with thirty one in 274 00:17:56,195 --> 00:17:59,195 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, Jack Cheeseboro with forty one in nine 275 00:17:59,755 --> 00:18:02,835 Speaker 1: and four, or Old hoss Radborn with sixty in eighteen 276 00:18:02,835 --> 00:18:05,675 Speaker 1: eighty four, and who has the all time record for 277 00:18:05,715 --> 00:18:08,555 Speaker 1: the highest batting average in a major league season. The 278 00:18:08,595 --> 00:18:12,315 Speaker 1: modern record holder has always been Rogers Hornsby with fourwenty 279 00:18:12,395 --> 00:18:17,395 Speaker 1: four in ninety four. But last winter, Baseball designated several 280 00:18:17,395 --> 00:18:20,875 Speaker 1: of the old segregated quote negro leagues as major leagues, 281 00:18:20,915 --> 00:18:24,155 Speaker 1: and there is a new all time record for the 282 00:18:24,235 --> 00:18:28,755 Speaker 1: highest batting average. It's four seventy one by Tetello Vargas 283 00:18:28,795 --> 00:18:32,755 Speaker 1: of THET three New York Cubans, even though his league 284 00:18:32,835 --> 00:18:35,355 Speaker 1: only played a thirty game season, and even though you've 285 00:18:35,395 --> 00:18:37,995 Speaker 1: never heard of him until five seconds ago or ten 286 00:18:38,115 --> 00:18:41,275 Speaker 1: days ago when I first mentioned to Tello Vargas, most 287 00:18:41,315 --> 00:18:46,395 Speaker 1: historians will stick with Hornsby, except Hornsby's now just fifteen 288 00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:51,515 Speaker 1: on the numerical mathematical list. Probably half of baseball's single 289 00:18:51,555 --> 00:18:55,435 Speaker 1: season records are not just simple questions of mathematical edition 290 00:18:55,515 --> 00:18:59,115 Speaker 1: or subtraction. They're about context and how the rules change, 291 00:18:59,235 --> 00:19:03,355 Speaker 1: and the perspective of generations. And now, if we want 292 00:19:03,435 --> 00:19:06,395 Speaker 1: them to be, they can be about cheating and not cheating. 293 00:19:06,635 --> 00:19:09,355 Speaker 1: And the bottom line is the records are what we 294 00:19:09,475 --> 00:19:12,275 Speaker 1: say they are, and at the consensus is Barry Bonds 295 00:19:12,355 --> 00:19:14,795 Speaker 1: was a cheat who did not er honestly earn his 296 00:19:14,835 --> 00:19:19,595 Speaker 1: record he does not hold that record. Besides which the 297 00:19:19,635 --> 00:19:21,755 Speaker 1: son of the man who held the record before there 298 00:19:21,795 --> 00:19:24,715 Speaker 1: was an Aaron Judge or Barry Bonds or Mark McGuire. 299 00:19:25,075 --> 00:19:29,355 Speaker 1: He says the record belongs to Aaron Judge. Here is 300 00:19:29,515 --> 00:19:33,315 Speaker 1: Roger Maris Jr. He gives people a chance to look 301 00:19:33,315 --> 00:19:37,475 Speaker 1: at somebody who, uh, you know, should be revered for 302 00:19:37,635 --> 00:19:40,635 Speaker 1: hitting sixty two runs, and not just as a guy 303 00:19:40,675 --> 00:19:42,355 Speaker 1: who did it in the American League. He should be 304 00:19:42,355 --> 00:19:45,755 Speaker 1: revered for, you know, being the actual single season home 305 00:19:45,835 --> 00:19:48,115 Speaker 1: run champ. I mean, that's really who he is. If 306 00:19:48,155 --> 00:19:51,315 Speaker 1: he is sixty two and uh and I think that's 307 00:19:51,355 --> 00:19:53,475 Speaker 1: what needs to happen. I think baseball needs to look 308 00:19:53,515 --> 00:19:56,395 Speaker 1: at the records, and I think baseball should do something. Amen, 309 00:19:56,515 --> 00:19:58,995 Speaker 1: Roger Marris Jr. So there it is. The record is 310 00:19:59,035 --> 00:20:04,475 Speaker 1: Aaron Judge sixty two or more? Barry Bonds just watching. 311 00:20:05,115 --> 00:20:07,755 Speaker 1: Also in sports, the Olympic world has lost one of 312 00:20:07,755 --> 00:20:11,595 Speaker 1: its heroes, man who never participated in a single Olympic event, 313 00:20:11,675 --> 00:20:15,555 Speaker 1: not officially anyway. His name was Jim Redmond. And if 314 00:20:15,595 --> 00:20:18,075 Speaker 1: that name means nothing to you, the image will when 315 00:20:18,115 --> 00:20:22,395 Speaker 1: I hopefully evoke it at the Summer Games in Barcelona, 316 00:20:22,715 --> 00:20:25,755 Speaker 1: Derek Redmond of Great Britain posted the fastest time in 317 00:20:25,835 --> 00:20:29,035 Speaker 1: his heat for the four hundred meter race. He advanced 318 00:20:29,035 --> 00:20:32,275 Speaker 1: to the semifinals and coming down the stretch he tore 319 00:20:32,315 --> 00:20:36,275 Speaker 1: his hamstring. Derek Redmond, tears flowing from his eyes, in 320 00:20:36,315 --> 00:20:41,355 Speaker 1: tremendous pain, limping, tried to finish the race anyway. That's 321 00:20:41,395 --> 00:20:44,515 Speaker 1: when the other man appeared, grabbing Redmond and moving slowly 322 00:20:44,595 --> 00:20:47,995 Speaker 1: and painfully with him across the finish line. The other man, 323 00:20:48,075 --> 00:20:52,595 Speaker 1: of course, was Jim Redmond. Derek's father, Jim Redmond, has 324 00:20:52,635 --> 00:21:09,435 Speaker 1: died in England at the age of one, still ahead. 325 00:21:09,475 --> 00:21:11,955 Speaker 1: This is the fifteenth anniversary of one of the many 326 00:21:12,075 --> 00:21:15,355 Speaker 1: days that MSNBC management told me there was no way 327 00:21:15,395 --> 00:21:21,035 Speaker 1: they would ever permit there to be a Rachel Meadows show. First, 328 00:21:21,035 --> 00:21:23,755 Speaker 1: the daily roundup of the miscreants, morons and Donning Kruegerffe 329 00:21:23,835 --> 00:21:29,195 Speaker 1: specimens who constitute today's worst persons in the world. Let 330 00:21:29,195 --> 00:21:32,595 Speaker 1: me start by congratulating Florida Governor Ron de Santis and 331 00:21:32,755 --> 00:21:36,715 Speaker 1: his in person efforts post Hurricane Ian. You've seen the photos. 332 00:21:37,115 --> 00:21:40,395 Speaker 1: I just want to say bravo, Ron for putting those 333 00:21:40,435 --> 00:21:45,755 Speaker 1: boots on the ground. The Bronze CNN boss David zazz Lab, 334 00:21:46,195 --> 00:21:49,635 Speaker 1: chairman of Warner Bros. Discovery. He's not the one I 335 00:21:49,755 --> 00:21:52,355 Speaker 1: used to think eight pace that was Chris licked. This 336 00:21:52,395 --> 00:21:56,195 Speaker 1: is David zazz Lab from Warner Bros. Discovery. The Daily 337 00:21:56,235 --> 00:21:59,075 Speaker 1: Beast reports that a week ago, Today's as Lab confirmed 338 00:21:59,115 --> 00:22:03,115 Speaker 1: cost saving measures and staff firings, and then tried to 339 00:22:03,235 --> 00:22:08,355 Speaker 1: lighten the mood in a communal town hall among shell 340 00:22:08,435 --> 00:22:11,435 Speaker 1: shocks CNN employees who have seen not only a salary purge, 341 00:22:11,435 --> 00:22:14,195 Speaker 1: but a purge of many of the liberals there, zas 342 00:22:14,315 --> 00:22:17,715 Speaker 1: Laugh told them that each employee would soon be receiving 343 00:22:18,475 --> 00:22:24,115 Speaker 1: a fleece vest. Apparently, Zaslav wears fleece vests, branded vests 344 00:22:24,115 --> 00:22:26,835 Speaker 1: with company logos on them. He wears them all the time, 345 00:22:26,835 --> 00:22:30,835 Speaker 1: and he thinks he's famous for them. Two things. When 346 00:22:30,835 --> 00:22:33,155 Speaker 1: I worked at CNN in the early eighties and we 347 00:22:33,155 --> 00:22:36,995 Speaker 1: were brand new and we lose like eighty million dollars 348 00:22:37,035 --> 00:22:40,315 Speaker 1: an hour or whatever it was, we used to race 349 00:22:40,395 --> 00:22:42,915 Speaker 1: each other with our new paychecks to the bank to 350 00:22:42,955 --> 00:22:46,195 Speaker 1: make sure ours was the one that got cashed. When 351 00:22:46,235 --> 00:22:48,515 Speaker 1: that was the case, the Christmas gift in the sports 352 00:22:48,515 --> 00:22:52,155 Speaker 1: department personally bought for us by Ted Turner were CNN 353 00:22:52,275 --> 00:22:56,995 Speaker 1: sports caps, and we were damned, surprised and pleased. The 354 00:22:57,035 --> 00:23:00,795 Speaker 1: next year three the whole network got CNN rugby shirts. 355 00:23:01,555 --> 00:23:05,035 Speaker 1: Mine lasted until, like I wish, I still it was 356 00:23:05,075 --> 00:23:08,675 Speaker 1: a great shirt, great gift. Second thing the branded fleece 357 00:23:08,755 --> 00:23:11,955 Speaker 1: vests that Zaslov is giving today's CNN staffers should have 358 00:23:12,035 --> 00:23:15,515 Speaker 1: as the branding. We fired all the liberals to appease Trump, 359 00:23:15,515 --> 00:23:17,435 Speaker 1: and he sued us anyway, and all I got was 360 00:23:17,475 --> 00:23:24,155 Speaker 1: this lousy best. The runner up, Roger Waters, please stop digging. 361 00:23:25,475 --> 00:23:28,555 Speaker 1: The musician tells Rolling Stone that he's not an anti Semite. 362 00:23:28,595 --> 00:23:32,155 Speaker 1: He's being buried for his criticism of Israel, which he 363 00:23:32,195 --> 00:23:35,355 Speaker 1: expressed by using as a show prop and inflatable pig 364 00:23:35,395 --> 00:23:38,955 Speaker 1: with the Jewish star on it. Quote. As we discussed 365 00:23:38,955 --> 00:23:42,795 Speaker 1: the subject during our interview, Waters argues that some Jewish 366 00:23:42,795 --> 00:23:45,675 Speaker 1: people in the US and UK bear responsibility for the 367 00:23:45,715 --> 00:23:49,835 Speaker 1: actions of Israel, quoting him, particularly because they pay for 368 00:23:49,995 --> 00:23:54,595 Speaker 1: everything unquote. Waters also tells Rolling Stone, don't forget I'm 369 00:23:54,595 --> 00:23:57,355 Speaker 1: gonna kill list that is supported by the Ukrainian government. 370 00:23:57,635 --> 00:24:00,835 Speaker 1: I'm on the effing list and they've killed people recently. 371 00:24:01,755 --> 00:24:05,355 Speaker 1: Rog the only kill list you're on is the one 372 00:24:05,395 --> 00:24:11,435 Speaker 1: that kills your career, and it is run by Roger Waters. 373 00:24:11,435 --> 00:24:14,275 Speaker 1: But our winner memt Oz And we're going to turn 374 00:24:14,315 --> 00:24:16,355 Speaker 1: the music off for this one because this is not 375 00:24:16,475 --> 00:24:19,915 Speaker 1: his cute little tone deafness about what Pennsylvania voters call 376 00:24:20,235 --> 00:24:22,595 Speaker 1: veggie tray, and it ain't crude atay. This is not 377 00:24:22,675 --> 00:24:25,235 Speaker 1: him lying about how many houses he owns and missing 378 00:24:25,275 --> 00:24:27,555 Speaker 1: by like eight. This isn't about him running for the 379 00:24:27,595 --> 00:24:30,755 Speaker 1: Senate in Pennsylvania while he lives in Jersey. This is 380 00:24:30,915 --> 00:24:35,435 Speaker 1: Jezebel dot com confirming the rumors and the disconnected reports 381 00:24:35,475 --> 00:24:38,675 Speaker 1: of the last few months and leading to the inescapable 382 00:24:38,715 --> 00:24:43,475 Speaker 1: conclusion Dr memit Os, Republican candidate for Senate from Pennsylvania, 383 00:24:43,875 --> 00:24:49,355 Speaker 1: unnecessarily killed and unnecessarily tortured before killing more than three 384 00:24:49,435 --> 00:24:54,715 Speaker 1: hundred dogs between and two thousand ten. To calculate that 385 00:24:54,795 --> 00:24:58,955 Speaker 1: horrifying total, seventy five medical studies published by oz at 386 00:24:58,995 --> 00:25:02,955 Speaker 1: Columbia University were reviewed. Studies I believe, I said studies, 387 00:25:03,315 --> 00:25:06,875 Speaker 1: quoting them. Oz is team conducted experiments on a least 388 00:25:07,515 --> 00:25:13,755 Speaker 1: one thousand and twenty seven live animal subjects that included dogs, pigs, calves, rabbits, 389 00:25:13,795 --> 00:25:17,275 Speaker 1: and small rodents. Thirty four of these experiments resulted in 390 00:25:17,315 --> 00:25:20,475 Speaker 1: the deaths of at least three nine dogs, while two 391 00:25:20,475 --> 00:25:23,875 Speaker 1: of his experiments killed thirty one pigs and thirty eight 392 00:25:23,875 --> 00:25:27,555 Speaker 1: experiments killed six and sixty one rabbits and rodents. End quote. 393 00:25:28,195 --> 00:25:32,475 Speaker 1: Even as an animal lover, I reluctantly concede that some 394 00:25:32,675 --> 00:25:38,235 Speaker 1: experimentation on animals, even fatal experimentation, may be unavoidable. Maybe 395 00:25:38,275 --> 00:25:43,035 Speaker 1: I'm on the edge on this, But doctor Oz tortured 396 00:25:43,075 --> 00:25:47,155 Speaker 1: these dogs. A whistleblower, a vet named Katherine del Orto, 397 00:25:47,755 --> 00:25:50,275 Speaker 1: testified to a range of horrors that the dogs in 398 00:25:50,315 --> 00:25:53,635 Speaker 1: particular were subjected to. One dog kept alive in pain 399 00:25:53,755 --> 00:25:57,035 Speaker 1: for a month, a litter of puppies killed by intracrdiac 400 00:25:57,155 --> 00:26:02,475 Speaker 1: injection with syringes of expired drugs and no sedation. And 401 00:26:02,515 --> 00:26:04,515 Speaker 1: there's worse than that. I read it. I won't force 402 00:26:04,515 --> 00:26:07,395 Speaker 1: you to listen to it. I'm at this monster mement 403 00:26:07,475 --> 00:26:10,115 Speaker 1: Oz once suffice to say, if I meet him again, 404 00:26:10,155 --> 00:26:13,435 Speaker 1: I will spit in his face. Mement Oz, who is 405 00:26:13,515 --> 00:26:16,635 Speaker 1: human garbage? That is today's worst person in the world. 406 00:26:23,075 --> 00:26:25,155 Speaker 1: To the number one story on the Countdown and my 407 00:26:25,235 --> 00:26:28,315 Speaker 1: favorite topic, me and things, I promised not to tell. 408 00:26:29,155 --> 00:26:33,635 Speaker 1: To his credit, Phil Griffin later recanted this and apologized 409 00:26:33,675 --> 00:26:36,755 Speaker 1: for it, at least to me. But during the fourth 410 00:26:36,875 --> 00:26:39,115 Speaker 1: or fifth month out of the twelve that I tried 411 00:26:39,155 --> 00:26:42,355 Speaker 1: to talk him and MSNBC into giving one of our 412 00:26:42,475 --> 00:26:45,915 Speaker 1: regular Countdown guests a shot at guest hosting the show, 413 00:26:46,475 --> 00:26:48,755 Speaker 1: he said this. And he said it as near as 414 00:26:48,795 --> 00:26:53,635 Speaker 1: I can calculate, on or about October five, two thousand seven. 415 00:26:54,715 --> 00:26:57,675 Speaker 1: So the theory is, he said, straight guys are not 416 00:26:57,755 --> 00:27:01,155 Speaker 1: going to watch a lesbian anchoring the news or doing 417 00:27:01,195 --> 00:27:05,875 Speaker 1: a political commentary show or whatever. Now he showed, to 418 00:27:05,955 --> 00:27:08,595 Speaker 1: borrow a current phrase from the Trump documents case, a 419 00:27:08,635 --> 00:27:12,915 Speaker 1: little consciousness of guilt. I have nothing against them. God, No, 420 00:27:13,435 --> 00:27:17,875 Speaker 1: I'm not prejudiced. I went to Vassar. He actually said that, 421 00:27:18,795 --> 00:27:20,435 Speaker 1: I think she's great on the show, but you know, 422 00:27:20,635 --> 00:27:24,595 Speaker 1: maybe men just won't be you know, I pretended to 423 00:27:24,675 --> 00:27:27,475 Speaker 1: not know, so he'd have to say it, they won't 424 00:27:27,475 --> 00:27:31,635 Speaker 1: be attracted to Rachel Maddow. Honest to God, Even as 425 00:27:31,675 --> 00:27:33,875 Speaker 1: he spoke, I had a sense of the great opportunity 426 00:27:33,955 --> 00:27:38,155 Speaker 1: flying out Phil Griffin's NBC window, Or maybe more accurately, 427 00:27:38,155 --> 00:27:40,475 Speaker 1: I had a sense of the opportunity to build a 428 00:27:40,475 --> 00:27:45,515 Speaker 1: base of authentic, fact driven, genuine liberal news commentary on 429 00:27:45,595 --> 00:27:49,115 Speaker 1: corporate television being pushed out, that window to plummet to 430 00:27:49,195 --> 00:27:52,955 Speaker 1: its death, and that surprisingly chintzy skating rank next to 431 00:27:52,995 --> 00:27:56,755 Speaker 1: thirty rock. I told Phil that I hoped he realized 432 00:27:56,795 --> 00:27:59,275 Speaker 1: what he was saying. Whether he and thus NBC thought 433 00:27:59,355 --> 00:28:03,115 Speaker 1: they were not prejudiced, they were in fact prejudicing at 434 00:28:03,235 --> 00:28:07,355 Speaker 1: right that very minute, and there were many of them prejudicing. 435 00:28:08,195 --> 00:28:10,395 Speaker 1: But I also needed to be pragmatic. I told him 436 00:28:10,435 --> 00:28:12,715 Speaker 1: that he was also wildly wrong about his assumption of 437 00:28:12,755 --> 00:28:15,635 Speaker 1: who was attractive to whom, and the way to find 438 00:28:15,635 --> 00:28:18,115 Speaker 1: that out was to go to the popular liberal website, 439 00:28:18,115 --> 00:28:21,195 Speaker 1: The Daily Coast, I told him. Every night they live 440 00:28:21,275 --> 00:28:24,035 Speaker 1: blog Countdown, and when Rachel is on, there are three 441 00:28:24,155 --> 00:28:27,075 Speaker 1: kinds of comments. Most are about what she's talked about 442 00:28:27,115 --> 00:28:29,035 Speaker 1: and how smart she is and how right she is. 443 00:28:29,555 --> 00:28:32,555 Speaker 1: The next biggest group of comments is asking why she 444 00:28:32,595 --> 00:28:34,595 Speaker 1: doesn't have her own show, and then the last group 445 00:28:34,715 --> 00:28:36,395 Speaker 1: is everybody who wants to go to bed with her. 446 00:28:37,595 --> 00:28:40,035 Speaker 1: I'd say they are very few lesbians in this group, Phil, 447 00:28:40,155 --> 00:28:42,715 Speaker 1: mostly straight men, insisting they'd ask her out just in 448 00:28:42,755 --> 00:28:45,635 Speaker 1: case she'd gotten her orientation wrong, and there's a lot 449 00:28:45,675 --> 00:28:47,515 Speaker 1: of straight women and they're saying they date her just 450 00:28:47,555 --> 00:28:50,875 Speaker 1: in case they've gotten their orientation wrong. And for God's sakes, 451 00:28:50,875 --> 00:28:53,515 Speaker 1: there are comments from people claiming they're gay men and 452 00:28:53,555 --> 00:28:55,235 Speaker 1: they say they love her so much they give it 453 00:28:55,275 --> 00:29:00,315 Speaker 1: a shot. I confess this might be counterintuitive if you 454 00:29:00,355 --> 00:29:02,955 Speaker 1: were a television executive and thus not as smart as 455 00:29:02,995 --> 00:29:07,595 Speaker 1: the average person, but it was all true. I hope 456 00:29:07,595 --> 00:29:09,915 Speaker 1: to God this is not what you're basing your position 457 00:29:10,075 --> 00:29:12,795 Speaker 1: on this on I told him, but she is not 458 00:29:13,355 --> 00:29:16,635 Speaker 1: physically attractive only to other lesbians. She is, in fact, 459 00:29:16,635 --> 00:29:21,915 Speaker 1: physically attractive to everybody. Phil cut me off. It won't work, 460 00:29:21,995 --> 00:29:24,115 Speaker 1: but he Besides, even if I believed you, there are 461 00:29:24,155 --> 00:29:26,515 Speaker 1: all the problems that Steve Kappas has with the idea. 462 00:29:27,035 --> 00:29:28,755 Speaker 1: Last time I brought it up, I thought Cappus was 463 00:29:28,755 --> 00:29:33,875 Speaker 1: gonna start crying. Steve CAPPIs was the president of NBC News. 464 00:29:34,355 --> 00:29:38,675 Speaker 1: How no one had any idea. He had been Brian 465 00:29:38,715 --> 00:29:42,035 Speaker 1: Williams's line producer upon the launch of MSNBC more than 466 00:29:42,075 --> 00:29:45,875 Speaker 1: a decade earlier, and after Brian finished murdering Tom Brokaw's 467 00:29:45,915 --> 00:29:48,835 Speaker 1: career and carving up the parts and smuggling them out 468 00:29:48,875 --> 00:29:53,035 Speaker 1: under his toga. Cappus got the big chair. Griffin was 469 00:29:53,035 --> 00:29:56,715 Speaker 1: not yet officially president of MSNBC, but would become so soon, 470 00:29:56,915 --> 00:29:59,395 Speaker 1: and he ran the place, and CAPPIs was his boss. 471 00:30:01,275 --> 00:30:04,635 Speaker 1: I did not literally pitch this new meadow show idea 472 00:30:04,915 --> 00:30:08,115 Speaker 1: every day to every one of the dozens of Thanksgiving 473 00:30:08,195 --> 00:30:13,075 Speaker 1: Day parade balloon sized egos who ran MSNBC and NBC News, 474 00:30:13,115 --> 00:30:15,795 Speaker 1: and they did not literally each have a different answer. 475 00:30:15,795 --> 00:30:19,795 Speaker 1: It only seemed that way. Cappas, who would later be 476 00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:23,555 Speaker 1: fired by his new Comcast boss after she told me 477 00:30:23,995 --> 00:30:26,435 Speaker 1: he told her he would not work for some woman. 478 00:30:27,515 --> 00:30:30,755 Speaker 1: Cappus had some gender based misgivings too, but the objection 479 00:30:30,755 --> 00:30:34,115 Speaker 1: that was uniquely his was that to air a second 480 00:30:34,155 --> 00:30:38,915 Speaker 1: show similar to mine would quote brand MSNBC as a 481 00:30:38,955 --> 00:30:43,595 Speaker 1: liberal network. He then contradicted himself, You have the only 482 00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:45,715 Speaker 1: liberal newscast on cable. Why do you want to give 483 00:30:45,795 --> 00:30:49,115 Speaker 1: up the monopoly? I really did not know where he 484 00:30:49,155 --> 00:30:52,035 Speaker 1: was going with this. Okay, you're the only liberal news 485 00:30:52,035 --> 00:30:55,115 Speaker 1: show on cable, No on television. Why would anybody else 486 00:30:55,155 --> 00:30:58,115 Speaker 1: onto your turf? What if she was more popular than you? 487 00:30:58,275 --> 00:31:00,195 Speaker 1: What if she was easier to work with within you, 488 00:31:00,715 --> 00:31:02,635 Speaker 1: and and we phased you out and phased her in. 489 00:31:03,275 --> 00:31:05,795 Speaker 1: What if she took less money and we could be 490 00:31:05,835 --> 00:31:08,555 Speaker 1: paying you less money or threatening you to have to 491 00:31:08,595 --> 00:31:11,475 Speaker 1: take less money. What if she took less What if 492 00:31:11,475 --> 00:31:15,395 Speaker 1: she took money, we could be paying you. I felt 493 00:31:15,395 --> 00:31:20,635 Speaker 1: myself in healing deeply. Uh, Steve, I don't do this 494 00:31:20,715 --> 00:31:23,475 Speaker 1: so I can be some kind of liberal Rush Limbaugh. 495 00:31:23,715 --> 00:31:27,075 Speaker 1: I I believe what I say on the air. I 496 00:31:27,355 --> 00:31:31,875 Speaker 1: believe it's necessary to the you know, survival of the country. 497 00:31:31,995 --> 00:31:34,875 Speaker 1: I really don't think we can survive another Republican president 498 00:31:34,915 --> 00:31:39,075 Speaker 1: after Bush, Steve. I want other liberal hosts. Hell, I 499 00:31:39,115 --> 00:31:43,395 Speaker 1: want twenty three other liberal hosts, and you know I 500 00:31:43,475 --> 00:31:45,435 Speaker 1: have enough money. If you want to give me some 501 00:31:45,475 --> 00:31:48,395 Speaker 1: more money, I'll take some more money. But I'd rather 502 00:31:48,435 --> 00:31:53,995 Speaker 1: have another show on MSNBC following mine, and you know 503 00:31:54,035 --> 00:31:56,395 Speaker 1: about the money. The money is another reason I don't 504 00:31:56,435 --> 00:31:58,755 Speaker 1: care about a monopoly. I know this will sound weird. 505 00:31:59,475 --> 00:32:03,555 Speaker 1: I think you guys should be rewarded with more money 506 00:32:03,595 --> 00:32:06,075 Speaker 1: for backing me up. This show has gotten you know, 507 00:32:06,715 --> 00:32:10,755 Speaker 1: less and less newsy and more and more commentary. That's 508 00:32:10,795 --> 00:32:12,195 Speaker 1: what I think of when I think of the term 509 00:32:12,355 --> 00:32:16,475 Speaker 1: he's a team player. You should get some money. Steve 510 00:32:16,555 --> 00:32:19,555 Speaker 1: Kappus moved behind his desk and began to shuffle papers. 511 00:32:19,595 --> 00:32:22,475 Speaker 1: I could see the papers were blank, and Steve, I 512 00:32:22,515 --> 00:32:25,115 Speaker 1: know how much money this would be worth to you. 513 00:32:25,555 --> 00:32:29,355 Speaker 1: That got his attention. I said, you do know the 514 00:32:29,395 --> 00:32:31,675 Speaker 1: salesman wander into my office once a week, or they 515 00:32:31,675 --> 00:32:33,955 Speaker 1: send bottles of champagne, or if they ask if they 516 00:32:34,195 --> 00:32:36,995 Speaker 1: can send me hookers because they're finally selling ad time 517 00:32:36,995 --> 00:32:40,715 Speaker 1: on the network. You know that right? He nodded with annoyance. 518 00:32:41,235 --> 00:32:43,395 Speaker 1: So they tell me that your profit off me last 519 00:32:43,475 --> 00:32:46,395 Speaker 1: year was like a hundred million dollars. I don't care 520 00:32:46,395 --> 00:32:48,395 Speaker 1: if it's half that much or twice that much, but 521 00:32:48,435 --> 00:32:50,955 Speaker 1: I know it's a lot considering we were losing that 522 00:32:51,035 --> 00:32:53,075 Speaker 1: much four years ago when we were in fourth place. 523 00:32:53,395 --> 00:32:56,795 Speaker 1: How come you don't want to make more of that money? 524 00:32:57,115 --> 00:33:00,235 Speaker 1: What if her show did as well as mine? Between 525 00:33:00,275 --> 00:33:03,235 Speaker 1: the shows, that's two hundred million a year. Maybe what 526 00:33:03,315 --> 00:33:05,475 Speaker 1: if it only did half as well, that's a hundred 527 00:33:05,555 --> 00:33:07,755 Speaker 1: fifty million a year. Why does an NBC want that money? 528 00:33:07,755 --> 00:33:10,155 Speaker 1: What if it does twice as well as mine? Why 529 00:33:10,155 --> 00:33:12,675 Speaker 1: do you insist on drawing the largest audience in this 530 00:33:12,755 --> 00:33:17,075 Speaker 1: network's history for a cable news liberal show. And then 531 00:33:17,355 --> 00:33:20,555 Speaker 1: as it ends at you, yell at them, everybody, get 532 00:33:20,595 --> 00:33:22,995 Speaker 1: the hell out. We don't want your liberal kind here. 533 00:33:23,155 --> 00:33:26,115 Speaker 1: It's nine o'clock at Ciber, Dan Abrahams and the missing 534 00:33:26,155 --> 00:33:31,235 Speaker 1: white woman of the week show get out. Campus stood up, 535 00:33:31,275 --> 00:33:35,235 Speaker 1: which was my signal to leave. I don't discuss network 536 00:33:35,315 --> 00:33:39,075 Speaker 1: finance with talent. Ask Jeff Zucker. Oh and even if 537 00:33:39,115 --> 00:33:40,955 Speaker 1: I agreed with you, there are all the problems Jeff 538 00:33:41,035 --> 00:33:45,395 Speaker 1: Zucker has with the show. Not a man of honor, 539 00:33:45,475 --> 00:33:48,435 Speaker 1: Jeff Zucker was perpetually renegging on something he had written 540 00:33:48,435 --> 00:33:52,475 Speaker 1: into my contract renegotiation from two thousand seven. He summoned 541 00:33:52,475 --> 00:33:54,915 Speaker 1: me one day to explain why he was renegging on 542 00:33:54,955 --> 00:33:57,555 Speaker 1: the monthly essays I was supposed to do for NBC 543 00:33:57,755 --> 00:34:01,675 Speaker 1: Nightly News with Brian Williams. The easy explainer was Brian 544 00:34:01,755 --> 00:34:04,235 Speaker 1: was threatened by them. In point of fact, Brian was 545 00:34:04,235 --> 00:34:09,595 Speaker 1: threatened everything, including Rocks and trees. I did not fight 546 00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:13,075 Speaker 1: over the tedious essays, and instead I switched the subject 547 00:34:13,155 --> 00:34:16,075 Speaker 1: to the nine pm show on MSNBC, and Zucker resumed 548 00:34:16,115 --> 00:34:19,275 Speaker 1: his best friend act. Look, you're doing great for us, 549 00:34:19,315 --> 00:34:21,835 Speaker 1: You are us There's no doubt about this. We stank, 550 00:34:21,995 --> 00:34:24,675 Speaker 1: we lost money. Now we stink class and we make money. 551 00:34:24,675 --> 00:34:26,835 Speaker 1: Thank you. This is why we gave you more money. 552 00:34:26,995 --> 00:34:30,555 Speaker 1: I got nothing against Rachel Maddow, but you gotta drop this. 553 00:34:30,595 --> 00:34:33,115 Speaker 1: We don't need another show. What maybe we need is 554 00:34:33,155 --> 00:34:36,635 Speaker 1: supersizing your show running, you know, untill nine fift or ninety, 555 00:34:36,755 --> 00:34:38,715 Speaker 1: or we just rerun the whole hour again at nine 556 00:34:38,715 --> 00:34:41,875 Speaker 1: and maybe again at ten. And of course, and here 557 00:34:41,915 --> 00:34:46,475 Speaker 1: came the Jeff Zucker extraterrestrial lizard smile. We'd have to 558 00:34:46,515 --> 00:34:50,675 Speaker 1: pay you more. It was tough ever to surprise Zucker, 559 00:34:50,715 --> 00:34:53,075 Speaker 1: but he flinched when I asked him point blank about 560 00:34:53,155 --> 00:34:58,275 Speaker 1: Phil Griffin's problems with the you know, lgbt Q hosts. Oh, 561 00:34:58,395 --> 00:35:00,315 Speaker 1: we all say a lot of things, but how could 562 00:35:00,355 --> 00:35:03,475 Speaker 1: he have said that he's in charge of MSNBC. Nobody 563 00:35:03,475 --> 00:35:06,875 Speaker 1: in charge of MSNBC whatever, say a thing like that. Now, 564 00:35:06,915 --> 00:35:09,795 Speaker 1: what I remember him and I discussing is outside of 565 00:35:09,795 --> 00:35:11,995 Speaker 1: the ones ales has put on at ten after Bill 566 00:35:12,035 --> 00:35:15,355 Speaker 1: O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. Name me one woman who succeeded 567 00:35:15,395 --> 00:35:17,955 Speaker 1: anchoring her own new show in primetime on cable, one 568 00:35:17,995 --> 00:35:22,035 Speaker 1: woman or on broadcast they mean one on broadcast Connie Chung, 569 00:35:22,515 --> 00:35:25,795 Speaker 1: Katie Kirk. Is Katie doing well at CBS without us? 570 00:35:26,355 --> 00:35:29,075 Speaker 1: Don't you? Didn't you tell Moonvest she wouldn't play in 571 00:35:29,115 --> 00:35:32,515 Speaker 1: prime time? You were right? Now, Think about that, and 572 00:35:32,555 --> 00:35:35,515 Speaker 1: then think about how you'd supersized countdown and how much 573 00:35:35,555 --> 00:35:39,995 Speaker 1: you'd charge us for it. Okay, Pal, if you ever 574 00:35:40,035 --> 00:35:43,835 Speaker 1: had sudden memory loss and you couldn't tell Jeff Zucker 575 00:35:43,875 --> 00:35:47,115 Speaker 1: from Phil Griffin, the rule of thumb was Zuker always 576 00:35:47,115 --> 00:35:52,075 Speaker 1: called you pal, and Griffin always called you buddy. The 577 00:35:52,155 --> 00:35:55,755 Speaker 1: problem with this misogynistic, sexist, narrow minded answer was that 578 00:35:55,795 --> 00:35:59,075 Speaker 1: it was factually correct. And I'll wait a second. Of course, 579 00:35:59,075 --> 00:36:01,035 Speaker 1: it was only correct in the same way that you 580 00:36:01,075 --> 00:36:02,795 Speaker 1: could have looked to the White House and said, there 581 00:36:02,795 --> 00:36:05,155 Speaker 1: had been forty three presidents at that point, and they'd 582 00:36:05,195 --> 00:36:07,795 Speaker 1: all been white guys, and that proved that minorities and 583 00:36:07,795 --> 00:36:11,675 Speaker 1: women just couldn't win an election. No woman had succeeded 584 00:36:11,715 --> 00:36:15,115 Speaker 1: as a solo news anchor in cable or broadcasting prime time. 585 00:36:16,075 --> 00:36:19,075 Speaker 1: And I said to Zuker, maybe no woman has done that, 586 00:36:19,235 --> 00:36:21,635 Speaker 1: because the ones you've hired since I first came here 587 00:36:21,635 --> 00:36:25,355 Speaker 1: have been like Debbie Norville, and Ashley Banfield and Cynthia 588 00:36:25,395 --> 00:36:31,635 Speaker 1: Oxney and Laura Ingram and Monica Crowley and Rita effing Cosby, 589 00:36:31,715 --> 00:36:34,875 Speaker 1: and hereupon I did my impression of Rita Cosby's gravel 590 00:36:35,035 --> 00:36:39,595 Speaker 1: goggling voice. Zucker had no answer to that or anything else, 591 00:36:40,275 --> 00:36:43,635 Speaker 1: just as Phil Griffin had no answer, and Cappus and 592 00:36:43,715 --> 00:36:46,795 Speaker 1: everybody else I tried, and I even tried Brian Williams. 593 00:36:47,155 --> 00:36:50,075 Speaker 1: They had no answers to my inescapable argument, and I 594 00:36:50,155 --> 00:36:55,035 Speaker 1: had no power to act without them. I saw the future, 595 00:36:55,635 --> 00:36:59,155 Speaker 1: the next great star of cable news, millions of dollars 596 00:36:59,155 --> 00:37:02,115 Speaker 1: in profits for NBC, and another foothold on the sheer 597 00:37:02,195 --> 00:37:05,435 Speaker 1: cliff of corporate media is built in can Servitis m 598 00:37:05,475 --> 00:37:09,315 Speaker 1: a little breathing room for me. I told everybody who 599 00:37:09,355 --> 00:37:13,195 Speaker 1: would stop long enough to listen, even the future star herself, 600 00:37:13,835 --> 00:37:16,115 Speaker 1: and incredibly I had to talk her out of her 601 00:37:16,115 --> 00:37:19,555 Speaker 1: own doubts too. And we went on like this virtually 602 00:37:19,555 --> 00:37:21,995 Speaker 1: from the day I first talked to the object of 603 00:37:22,035 --> 00:37:25,715 Speaker 1: my programming desire in two thousand seven until the blistering 604 00:37:25,755 --> 00:37:29,315 Speaker 1: afternoon in July of two thousand eight when Phil Griffin 605 00:37:29,355 --> 00:37:32,075 Speaker 1: finally got the promotion to be president of MSNBC, and 606 00:37:32,075 --> 00:37:34,115 Speaker 1: he phoned me and he said, Buddy, we can now 607 00:37:34,195 --> 00:37:36,835 Speaker 1: do what we've been planning. And I had to stop 608 00:37:36,915 --> 00:37:42,475 Speaker 1: myself from saying, who's this We lone ranger. The entire 609 00:37:42,755 --> 00:37:46,515 Speaker 1: edifice of MSNBC and NBC News above me was not 610 00:37:46,635 --> 00:37:50,555 Speaker 1: only adamn tine against the Rachel Meadows Show, but it 611 00:37:50,635 --> 00:37:54,235 Speaker 1: refused to even let her guest host my show. It 612 00:37:54,315 --> 00:37:58,875 Speaker 1: was this way for nearly a year, without one crack 613 00:37:58,995 --> 00:38:03,115 Speaker 1: in solidarity, and without one answer. I even had to 614 00:38:03,115 --> 00:38:06,075 Speaker 1: convince Rachel herself. All in retrospect, she seems to have 615 00:38:06,115 --> 00:38:09,555 Speaker 1: been mixing a kind of legitimate future shock fear with 616 00:38:09,635 --> 00:38:13,395 Speaker 1: some very convincing Richard the Third refusing the crown Jazz. 617 00:38:14,355 --> 00:38:16,475 Speaker 1: I do not think she was being insincere when she 618 00:38:16,515 --> 00:38:18,795 Speaker 1: said success might destroy her. I do not think she 619 00:38:18,875 --> 00:38:20,635 Speaker 1: was making it up when she said, but Keith, you 620 00:38:20,675 --> 00:38:22,435 Speaker 1: have to remember a couple of years ago, I was 621 00:38:22,515 --> 00:38:24,755 Speaker 1: dressed up as a dancing cell phone outside a cell 622 00:38:24,755 --> 00:38:27,675 Speaker 1: phone store in Massachusetts. I don't think I'd f it up, 623 00:38:28,115 --> 00:38:32,675 Speaker 1: but what if it fs me up? The ice finally 624 00:38:32,715 --> 00:38:35,315 Speaker 1: broke not long after, I had a nightmare. It was 625 00:38:35,395 --> 00:38:40,755 Speaker 1: so terrifying and realistic and unfortunately so plausible that my 626 00:38:40,875 --> 00:38:44,355 Speaker 1: then live in girlfriend, Katie Turr, actually had to shake 627 00:38:44,435 --> 00:38:48,555 Speaker 1: me awake. I was yelling, apparently while asleep, and not 628 00:38:48,595 --> 00:38:52,715 Speaker 1: because I was being chased by monsters or by courses 629 00:38:52,755 --> 00:38:55,595 Speaker 1: that I had entirely forgotten from my senior year in college, 630 00:38:55,675 --> 00:39:00,275 Speaker 1: or both. In this nightmare, John Klein, the president of CNN, 631 00:39:00,275 --> 00:39:03,155 Speaker 1: who had wanted to pirate me away before he was 632 00:39:03,235 --> 00:39:07,075 Speaker 1: overruled by his boss Jim Walton, had fired the person 633 00:39:07,155 --> 00:39:09,955 Speaker 1: he had to take instead of me, Campbell Brown, the 634 00:39:10,075 --> 00:39:13,315 Speaker 1: NBC talent he'd settled on. And the reason this was 635 00:39:13,395 --> 00:39:15,715 Speaker 1: so terrifying was that in real life it was likely, 636 00:39:15,755 --> 00:39:19,275 Speaker 1: if not necessarily imminent. Campbell was a chain smoking knit 637 00:39:19,355 --> 00:39:22,795 Speaker 1: with with what she only thought was a hidden conservative agenda. 638 00:39:23,475 --> 00:39:26,155 Speaker 1: We had co anchored two days of the weekend Today Show, 639 00:39:26,435 --> 00:39:28,475 Speaker 1: and they had to open up the emergency exit to 640 00:39:28,515 --> 00:39:30,995 Speaker 1: the streets so she could light up a heater, not 641 00:39:31,195 --> 00:39:33,715 Speaker 1: just during commercial breaks, but even during two minute long 642 00:39:33,755 --> 00:39:37,755 Speaker 1: correspondent reports. She just kept smoking and smoking and smoking 643 00:39:37,755 --> 00:39:40,595 Speaker 1: and smoking. And I was a smoker, and I was repulsed. 644 00:39:41,595 --> 00:39:44,795 Speaker 1: In real life, CNN was going to replace Campbell Brown 645 00:39:44,955 --> 00:39:48,395 Speaker 1: soon or late the eight p m. CNN hosts had 646 00:39:48,395 --> 00:39:52,315 Speaker 1: been in order Connie Chung, Paula is On, and Campbell Brown. 647 00:39:52,395 --> 00:39:55,275 Speaker 1: And in my nightmare, the next host would also be 648 00:39:55,315 --> 00:39:57,715 Speaker 1: a woman, only this time it would be somebody who 649 00:39:57,835 --> 00:40:03,315 Speaker 1: was gonna kick my ass. Rachel Maddow. Let me guess 650 00:40:03,315 --> 00:40:06,315 Speaker 1: while you're here again, buddy, Phil Griffin said the next 651 00:40:06,395 --> 00:40:09,075 Speaker 1: afternoon in his office. It was now the middle of 652 00:40:09,075 --> 00:40:13,475 Speaker 1: the winter of O seven eight. We've been all through this. Well, 653 00:40:13,555 --> 00:40:16,835 Speaker 1: what we've been through was various iterations of the supersized 654 00:40:16,835 --> 00:40:19,875 Speaker 1: countdown idea, finally dropped by Zucker in favor of a 655 00:40:19,955 --> 00:40:22,835 Speaker 1: novel concept that he and Phil Griffin had dreamed up 656 00:40:23,435 --> 00:40:26,195 Speaker 1: an l g B t Q host at nine o'clock. 657 00:40:27,155 --> 00:40:29,235 Speaker 1: Of course, not the l g B t Q host 658 00:40:29,275 --> 00:40:32,675 Speaker 1: that I had suggested. It, rather their brilliant idea for 659 00:40:32,715 --> 00:40:35,595 Speaker 1: a host for the nine pm show on MSNBC following 660 00:40:35,635 --> 00:40:43,675 Speaker 1: Mine Rosie O'Donnell. In November two thousand seven, Phil Griffin 661 00:40:43,755 --> 00:40:46,115 Speaker 1: told me he thought they were close to signing Rosie O'Donnell, 662 00:40:46,115 --> 00:40:47,555 Speaker 1: and as usual, he had leaked it to The New 663 00:40:47,635 --> 00:40:50,555 Speaker 1: York Times just so everybody would know how damned earnest 664 00:40:50,595 --> 00:40:54,635 Speaker 1: he was. But then Rosie announced she only wanted to 665 00:40:54,675 --> 00:40:56,875 Speaker 1: do a show three days a week, and none of 666 00:40:56,915 --> 00:41:03,355 Speaker 1: them in a row. The prospect of Monday Rosie, Tuesday, Bubkus, Wednesday, 667 00:41:03,475 --> 00:41:07,955 Speaker 1: Rosie Thursday, a Bupkus Friday Rosie proved too much even 668 00:41:07,995 --> 00:41:11,635 Speaker 1: for Phil's ability to convince himself of almost anything. You 669 00:41:11,715 --> 00:41:13,635 Speaker 1: got anything new I can shoot down? Or can we 670 00:41:13,675 --> 00:41:17,275 Speaker 1: just talk about the mets? I told him about my 671 00:41:17,355 --> 00:41:20,395 Speaker 1: Rachel Meadow John Klein Nightmare CNN. They don't even know 672 00:41:20,395 --> 00:41:23,755 Speaker 1: who Rachel Meadow is. Why would they hire her? Why 673 00:41:23,795 --> 00:41:25,555 Speaker 1: would they put her on at eight against you? Why 674 00:41:25,595 --> 00:41:28,315 Speaker 1: would you put a liberal show on against another liberal show? 675 00:41:29,395 --> 00:41:33,355 Speaker 1: The nonsense of his rhetorical question actually seemed to briefly 676 00:41:33,395 --> 00:41:36,995 Speaker 1: register with him. Then it died quickly somewhere in some 677 00:41:37,115 --> 00:41:39,635 Speaker 1: brain cells, burned out by all the stuff he'd smoked 678 00:41:39,835 --> 00:41:44,715 Speaker 1: when we work together at CNN in the early eighties. Nah, 679 00:41:45,035 --> 00:41:48,035 Speaker 1: I mumbled, I work for idiots, but it was not 680 00:41:48,115 --> 00:41:50,555 Speaker 1: loud enough for him to hear. Phil. What if they 681 00:41:50,595 --> 00:41:54,075 Speaker 1: do it just to, you know, take away some of 682 00:41:54,275 --> 00:41:57,835 Speaker 1: our audience. What if they do it just to make 683 00:41:57,875 --> 00:42:01,435 Speaker 1: sure we don't give her our nine o'clock show? What 684 00:42:01,515 --> 00:42:04,995 Speaker 1: if they you know, gave her a show and then 685 00:42:05,035 --> 00:42:09,115 Speaker 1: promoted it with what are they called advertisements and maybe 686 00:42:09,115 --> 00:42:13,595 Speaker 1: even you know, commercials or what if she's really effing good, 687 00:42:13,675 --> 00:42:15,635 Speaker 1: like she has every effing time we effing put her 688 00:42:15,715 --> 00:42:18,115 Speaker 1: on the show with me, can't we at least try 689 00:42:18,155 --> 00:42:19,995 Speaker 1: her as my fill in host? Can't we at least 690 00:42:20,155 --> 00:42:22,995 Speaker 1: get her a deal to keep her from leaving just 691 00:42:23,075 --> 00:42:25,675 Speaker 1: as a contributor. Oh, it would it cost you forty grand? 692 00:42:25,755 --> 00:42:30,875 Speaker 1: Fifty grand? To my shock, Phil Griffin agreed to give 693 00:42:30,995 --> 00:42:35,675 Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow a contributor's contract for forty or fifty grand. Yeah, 694 00:42:36,035 --> 00:42:37,995 Speaker 1: let's do that, buddy, let's show it. Chuck you up 695 00:42:37,995 --> 00:42:41,675 Speaker 1: for a while. I shook his hand. No, of course not, 696 00:42:41,915 --> 00:42:44,675 Speaker 1: I said, And of course he was lying. Phil never 697 00:42:44,715 --> 00:42:47,715 Speaker 1: signed Rachel to a contributor's contract, which is how a 698 00:42:47,755 --> 00:42:51,115 Speaker 1: few weeks later we almost lost her to CNN for 699 00:42:51,275 --> 00:42:54,315 Speaker 1: two d and fifty freaking dollars and I had to 700 00:42:54,355 --> 00:42:57,475 Speaker 1: pay her four thirty seven dollars in cash to keep 701 00:42:57,475 --> 00:43:01,755 Speaker 1: her from going to CNN. But I've already told you 702 00:43:01,835 --> 00:43:14,395 Speaker 1: that story. I swear it's true. Done all the damage 703 00:43:14,435 --> 00:43:15,915 Speaker 1: I can do here, Help me out. 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