1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: On this episode of News World. On May twenty second, 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Junior, 3 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: published the MAHA Report, a call to action to make 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Our Children Healthy Again. The report presents a picture of 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 1: the declining health of American children, backed by data and 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: long term trends. More importantly, the report seeks to unpack 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: the potential dietary, behavioral, medical, and environmental drivers behind this crisis. 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: After a century of costly and ineffective approaches, the federal 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: government will lead a coordinated transformation of our food, health, 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: and scientific systems. This will ensure that all Americans today 11 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: and in the future live longer, healthier lives. And I 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: have to say I had the opportunity to come in 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: to be at the initial presentation of this report, which 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: was in the East Room at the White House, and 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: it was a very very impressive performance both by Secretary Kennedy, 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,639 Speaker 1: the other members of the Cabinet, and by President Trump. 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 1: It was very encouraging to listen to where they're going 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: and one of the key leaders in helping us get 19 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: there is with us today and so Kelly means is remarkable. Kelly, 20 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: welcome and thank you for joining me. 21 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: On Newsword. 22 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: Thank you, dude, And it was so encouraging and just 23 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: appropriate for you to be in the front of that 24 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 3: event and to be acknowledged by President Trump because your 25 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 3: ideas and big thinking, I mean, has influenced this MAHA 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: effort significantly. 27 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 2: You and your. 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: Sister, Casey Means recently nominated by President Trump to be 29 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: the next surgeon General. 30 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: How did the two of you get into all this? 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's three big strains, dude. 32 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: I grew up in DC and actually met you as 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: an end I think seventeen years ago. You were gracious 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: enough to it was an event where it was the 35 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 3: highlight of the summer where White House interns came and 36 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: we had an hour and a half policy session with you. 37 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 4: Like many people at EC, I did campaigns. 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 3: And was a public affairs and consultant lobbyists and saw 39 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: kind of the interworkings of DC. And I don't think 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: all lobbyists are bad. It's just you saw how the 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: system works. 42 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 4: It worked for the. 43 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: Food and farm industries. I've been in entrepreneurship for ten years. 44 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: But my sister, I mean, I really do think a 45 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: lot of the spirit of this movement comes from her. 46 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: I think she has a singular ability to connect the dots. 47 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: She was top of her class Stanford med School, top 48 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 3: of her residency program, and now as she searched in general, 49 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: everyone it's like, well, she left the system. You know 50 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: what happened. What happened is she had a moral awakening 51 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: and she realized that she joined the medical system for 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: people to get healthy, and nobody around her, no patients 53 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 3: were getting healthier. She left the system. Started talking about that. 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: I mean, one of the wraps over is that she 55 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: actually is not currently a practicing doctor. She's out doing 56 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: all this, which given her background I think is kind 57 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: of goofy. 58 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: She clearly knows what she's talking about. 59 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 3: Well, Casey's extraordinary, and she was a practicing doctor. She 60 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 3: left the medical system and saw hundreds of patients, thousands 61 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: of patients. She got a functional medicine certification. She actually 62 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 3: helped people, you know, ninety percent of maladies in the 63 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: United States medical costs or chronic disease. And she was 64 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 3: doing head of next surgery where she was cutting out 65 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: inflammation in the sinus. And she never understood in medical 66 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: school why people get inflamation in the first place, and 67 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 3: why somebody needs sin a citis surgery, needs you know, 68 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: diabetes medication, and needs heart disease issues, and has all 69 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: these other issues. So she worked to put together the 70 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: root cause, and then in twenty twenty four she stopped 71 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: treating patients because she was working with Bobby Kennedy and 72 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: President Trump to coalesce this MAHA movement and wrote Good Energy, 73 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 3: which really resonated. It's the best selling a nonfiction book 74 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: in the past year. So I think voters know and 75 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: people know that Casey has really, I think, impacted many 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: more patients than if she stayed cutting in people's faces 77 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: all day, not really curing the root cause. But I 78 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: do think there's a reckoning in the medical system right now. 79 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are in that system. 80 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 3: They know Casey's right, they know our system. It's not 81 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 3: about slight Medicare, Medicaid reform. There's really a foundational incentive issue. 82 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 3: Casey is boldly talking about that, and I do think 83 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: it's very scary and eliciting a response from the medical system, 84 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 3: which is the largest part of the US economy. 85 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: I think that's something very important for people to understand 86 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: that one out of every five dollars right now is 87 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: in the health system, and that it's really a sick 88 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: care system, not a healthcare system, and that you and 89 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: your sister are among the real leaders trying to rethink this. 90 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: Now you co found a true med to help people 91 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: use their funds for proactive health tools like Sauna's wage supplants. 92 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: Why do you think it's so important that people are 93 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: able to use pre tax dollars for these kind of 94 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: health investments. 95 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 3: So I was idalized by Casey when she left the 96 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 3: medical system. I was like everyone else, I'm like, what 97 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 3: are you doing. You're throwing your life away, and she's like, 98 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 3: I have to do it. It came together with my 99 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 3: mom's death in twenty twenty one. So my mom was 100 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 3: the standard American patient where she had high cholesterol, got 101 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: a STAT and had high blood sugar, got met Foreman, 102 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: high high blood pressure, got an eights inhibitor. At a 103 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 3: checkup at seventy years old at Stanford Hospital, she was 104 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: told that she was a healthy seventy year old because 105 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 3: on five crock to these medications, she was on less 106 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: than the average American. Actually the average seven year old's 107 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: on more than five. Then she's taking a hike, has 108 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 3: a pain in her stomach, gets a scan, gets a 109 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 3: text the next day of stage four pancreatic cancer, and 110 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: the wake up call for me, the lightning bolt was 111 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 3: sitting across in the Stanford oncologist who said, this was 112 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: a tough break, but cancer rates are an all time 113 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: high and out of two hundred and twelve Stephen Miller 114 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: talked about this beautifully at the event. Out of two 115 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: hundred and twelve countries that measure cancer rates in the world, 116 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 3: we are the worst. We are the highest cancer rates 117 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: of any civilization in human history. This year in the 118 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 3: United States, it's all going up, obviously because of environmental factors, food, 119 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 3: you know, this mix of issues. I immediately after Mom's death, 120 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 3: my sister and I pledged to talk about this issue. 121 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 3: And it's a complicated issue. It's a long term issue, 122 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 3: it's a mature issue. So we wrote the book, We advocated, 123 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 3: We got to know President Trump's team, We got to 124 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 3: know Bobby Kennedy, senators, congressman. On the left and right, 125 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: there's real bipartisan animation around this issue. For whatever reason, 126 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 3: the left's given it up and President Trump, to his 127 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 3: amazing credit, has taken it on. It does represent a 128 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: microcosm of I think where our world needs to go, 129 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: which is we spend almost it's now five trillion on 130 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: healthcare and ninety five percent of that as medical interventions. 131 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: After we're sick, and I think about my mom and 132 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: if a doctor just gave her clinically accurate advice when 133 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 3: she had that high blood sugar, explained what's going on, 134 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 3: explained how some supplementation, if they had more blood tests 135 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 3: of how she has some nutrient deficiencies, better food. There's 136 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: incredible research on things like saunas. In Finland, there's one 137 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 3: sona for every person. They live six years longer than us. 138 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 3: So if we actually can steer the medical system not 139 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 3: to mandating broccoli or mandating exercise, but just to assess 140 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 3: what's happening with the American patient. You know, the fact 141 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: of the matter is drugs absolutely play a role. And 142 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: you know, maybe a seventy five year old person who's 143 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: very diabetic set in their ways, I don't know obst 144 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: they probably do need some ozimpic and do need some drugs. 145 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: But a twelve year old right now, at twelve year old, 146 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 3: if they're a little bit sad, they're getting an SSRI. Now, 147 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: the American Academy be theatrics is saying they need ozimpic. 148 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 3: You know, they're on stands now at a higher rate. 149 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 3: So there's been an attack on really medical autonomy, a 150 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: doctor assessing what's happening with that patient and often. And 151 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: this sounded hippie to me five years ago, but I 152 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 3: think it's just clinically accurate. You know, we need to 153 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 3: see food and supplementation and other root cause interventions as 154 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: part of the medical system. Have patients have that flexibility 155 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: with their doctor, because that's just clinically what happens. And 156 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: our company uses HSAFSA, we unlock HSAFSA spend and I 157 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: know we're both fans of that. I do think just 158 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: giving patients more flexibility and information is a core part 159 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: of the solution. 160 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: For those of us who don't have nearly the knowledge 161 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: that you and your sister have good energy. Subtitle is 162 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: the Surprising connection between metabolism and limitless health. 163 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 164 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: It means that we silo the medical system into forty 165 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: two specialties in eighty two subspecialties. But I just cannot 166 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: emphasize this enough. Ninety percent of medical costs and nine 167 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 3: out of ten causes of American death are chronic lifestyle 168 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: conditions our cells. It's the environment that our cells have 169 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,079 Speaker 3: evolutionally grown to exist and to produce metabolism, to produce 170 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: energy to power our bodies are under assault and new 171 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: A lot of these things that are under assault by 172 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: are good things, right. You know, we've had innovation and food. 173 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 3: We've had innovation and conveniences of modern life. We're more 174 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: sedentary now. We've had good in many way ways, drug innovation. 175 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: We've had these chemicals and industry produce all of these 176 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: innovations that power every single aspect of our lives. 177 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:10,479 Speaker 4: What the book. 178 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 3: Argues is that this industrialization and this modernization, it's not 179 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 3: a judgment, but it's just an arguable that ulti processed 180 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 3: food going from zero percent of our child's diet to 181 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: seventy percent in just sixty years, that's a dynamic that 182 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: impacts ourselves. 183 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 4: The fact that seventy seven. 184 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: Percent of American youth are ineligible to join the military 185 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: because they're so sedentary, and children in public schools that 186 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: get less time outside than a. 187 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 4: Maximum security prison, that is a dynamic. 188 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 3: The fact that there's eighty thousand chemicals that have been 189 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 3: produced that power every aspect of American life and are 190 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 3: absolutely necessary to our civilization. The fact that the US 191 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 3: and justts twenty five percent of the world's pesticides, that's 192 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: a dynamic, and that's what the book is about, is 193 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: that it's I think really inarguable. Nobody would even argue 194 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 3: this if you really push them, that we have a 195 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 3: holistic metabo health crisis, not a crisis of not enough medication, 196 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: not enough medical spending. This event, I was tearing up 197 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: during the event with President Trump because I think what 198 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: it represents is maturity from the government to both acknowledge 199 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 3: this long term reality we all agree with, which is 200 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: that we've lost our way a little bit. We've lost 201 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: our way where we have four point nine billion prescriptions 202 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: a year in the United States and thirty five percent 203 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: of teams run some kind of medication. That's not an 204 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: anti drug message. I talked to a bunch of farmer 205 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: lobby They don't disagree with that. So what this event 206 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: did is build this bridge ten years from now where 207 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 3: a healthcare system acknowledges the interconnectivity of chronic disease and 208 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 3: creates better incentives to where the pharmaceutical industry is thriving 209 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 3: by creating drugs that promote. 210 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 4: Longevity, not just managed disease. 211 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: Where hospitals are more incentivized to have empty beds, not 212 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 3: full beds. Where the American farmer is at the center 213 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: of health, and the US is creating the best most 214 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: nutritious food in the world, and American children are eating 215 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: great American grown whole food. That's the vision that's being painted. 216 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 4: Now. 217 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: Getting there is going to be a mature and sometimes 218 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: probably difficult conversation, but we need to have it. 219 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: Walk me through. First of all, what is metabolic function? 220 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 3: Our cells power organs, and when cells malfunction organs, it's function, 221 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: and organ dysfunction is disease. When our cells in our 222 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 3: brain dysfunction, that creates brain prompts, it creates depression. When 223 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 3: cells in our liver malfunction, it creates liver issues, clotty 224 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: liver disease. You know, when scals in our skin malfunction, 225 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 3: we have dermatology issues. So foundationally, what's happening. And let's 226 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 3: just take one example of what underlies metabol because function 227 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 3: with glucose cells are powered by glucose sugar, and glucose 228 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: consumption has gone up eighty times in one. 229 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 4: Hundred and fifty years. 230 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 3: It's evolutionarily unprecedented, and as cells are overpowered with this 231 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: energy source glucose, a lot of bad things happen and 232 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,599 Speaker 3: our cells start malfunctioning. Now, based on this nineteen o 233 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: nine report, the Flexner Report, it's still an effect today 234 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 3: and it mandates that chronic disease and all diseases are 235 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 3: treated in silos. So fundamentally, we have a system where 236 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: if you have high cholesterol, for instance, it's a statin, 237 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: no problem. And literally the guidance when you get a 238 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: statin is okay, you can keep eating what you want 239 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 3: to eat. But if you take that stat and reduce 240 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 3: the one arbitrary biomarker, but you're still pounding your body 241 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 3: and pounding your cells with that ultraprocessed food, with that glucose. 242 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 3: If you're not getting enough sunlight, which our cells are like, 243 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 3: we need that like around our bodies to power our cells. 244 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 4: If you're not getting. 245 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: Enough movement, which is crucial for proper cellular function, if 246 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 3: you're not addressing the root cause of what's causing that 247 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 3: cellular dysfunction, you keep having whack a mole with what 248 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 3: we argue in the book are branches of the tree, 249 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: the base of the tree is that our cells are malfunctioning. 250 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 4: It's not. You know, we're all, oh the. 251 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 3: New York Times headlines all the time. There's literally been 252 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: headlines diabetes is skyrocketing among kids. Nobody knows why cancer 253 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: rates are skyrocketing kids. Nobody knows why autoimmune conditions, autism, 254 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 3: all of these conditions, every chronic disease is an all 255 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 3: time high right now. 256 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 4: And instead of at the end of. 257 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 3: The road trying to drug that all the time, if 258 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: we literally look at five biomarkers high blood pressure, high 259 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: blood sugar, cholesterol, dragostrites, HDL, and BMI, your waistline. If 260 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 3: you get those five biomarkers under control, which are the 261 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: definitions of what's metabolic dysfunction, is you almost by definition 262 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: don't have many of the leading conditions that are killing 263 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 3: Americans right now, like heart disease and diabetes. Those are 264 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: all relatively controllable. And I think, you know, just as 265 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: Bobby Kennedy said, we're going to bring the Dietary Guidelines 266 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 3: from four and fifty pages to four, I think we 267 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,359 Speaker 3: can bring a lot of medical guidance and medical incentives 268 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 3: to much more simple principles like let's get those metabolic 269 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 3: biomarkers under control. Let's have all hands on deck. Let's inspire, 270 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: let's educate, and let's incentivize. Let's get patients more choice 271 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: to get to the root cause. But that's the main 272 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: thesis new The most chronic diseases are tied to these 273 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: foundational factors that are leading ourselves to malfunction, which are 274 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 3: then downstream causing a lot of these maladies that are 275 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: impacting American life. 276 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: Your first really big step was to do this initial 277 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: assessment which got published as Make Our Children Healthy Again, 278 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: which you gave me the opportunity to read before was published. 279 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: And it is a staggering document, and the scale of 280 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: the health crisis for young people is so much greater 281 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: than I know. What led you to decide that getting 282 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: that assessment done was the first big step. 283 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 4: We've talked a little bit about this. 284 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 3: I've talked to honestly, Center Ron Johnson's and Senator Roger 285 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: Marshall and some Senators Vince Haley. This has been a 286 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 3: beautiful coalition of people that have really taken to this issue. 287 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: And one thing I hear from the Smorlest people a 288 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 3: lot is that in order to drive foundational change. You 289 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: need to assess with the American people what the facts are. 290 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: This isn't a finger pointing. It's not a partisan issue. 291 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: We're a sick country. Kids are sick. It's not because 292 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 3: as Democrats argue that we're not spending enough on healthcare. 293 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 3: We've got some foundational issues in our country where ourselves 294 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: are being poisoned. Clearly, there's something wrong, and I think 295 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 3: a lot of voters and Americans are starting to understand that, 296 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: and they're frustrated. And I think that frustration has been 297 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 3: positively channeled into this MAJA movement that led millions of moms, independents, 298 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: young people to vote for the Republicans, to vote for 299 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: President Trump for the first time. And I think we're 300 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 3: still in this phase where we need to have the 301 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: baseline conversation about what's happening and my goal, and we've 302 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 3: talked about this. I think we need to win that 303 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: argument because if you win the argument that the incentives 304 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: of our healthcare system, and this is a core argument 305 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: my sister and I make, and a core argument President 306 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 3: Trump and Bobby. 307 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 4: Kennedy made is it's no big judgment. 308 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: This has been decades of decisions from many different people 309 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 3: but our system profits for metabolic dysfunction. Our system profits 310 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 3: when kids are obese, when kids are depressed, when kids 311 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: are in fear, when kids are pre diabetic. That just 312 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: demonstrably profits the system right now. So we need to 313 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: create this baseline of a conversation that there's a problem. 314 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: And then I personally think that Republicans and that the 315 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: President Trump, we're going to have better solutions. But let's 316 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: debate the solutions then if we assess that there's an 317 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: existential problem. 318 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 4: So I'd be very happy. 319 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 3: New and I think it's happening where we start changing 320 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 3: the conversation around health to really understand the root cause problem. 321 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: And I think it can't be understated. How a federal 322 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: government document. 323 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 4: You won't believe this. I couldn't believe that. 324 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 3: It's the first time ultiprocessed food has ever been mentioned 325 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 3: as a potential problem in a federal government document. It 326 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 3: is the first time that over medicalization has been talked 327 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 3: about in the full federal government document. You know, it's 328 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,640 Speaker 3: the first time concerns around environmental toxins have been really 329 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,199 Speaker 3: strongly mentioned as a potential contributed health So this is 330 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 3: pretty radical. It's why there was so much frankly lobbying 331 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 3: and discussion around just a simple government report. 332 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 4: That's no policy. 333 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: But that's what the administration is bravely trying to do 334 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 3: is have that conversation. 335 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: I cannot overstate for our listeners if they get a 336 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: copy of Make Our Children Healthy, to get the assessment, 337 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: and when. 338 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 2: You look at it, if you're at all like me and. 339 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: You run across things, for example, that more than one 340 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: in five children over six is obese. That's a two 341 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy percent increase compared to the seventies one 342 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: in less than one and twenty children were It's stagnant. 343 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: The rheumatic increase, and the number of children that were 344 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: born who are suffering from various mental conditions, and suddenly 345 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: we have to deal with things. Historically we're very rare, 346 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: and now they're common. 347 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 3: Teenage depression nearly doubled since two thousand and nine. More 348 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 3: than one in four teenage girls in twenty twenty two 349 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 3: reported a major depressive episode. Three million high school students 350 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: seriously considered suicide last year. Suicide deaths among teens increased 351 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: sixty two percent since two thousand and seven. Suicide is 352 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 3: the second leading cause of death among teens. I'm optimistic. 353 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 3: I'm actually like so in a way energized that the 354 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 3: government's talking about this. It's certainly depressing, but everything's changing, right, 355 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 3: Everything's changed so fast. In this report, it doesn't make 356 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 3: a judgment, really, it just explains what changed again without 357 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 3: pointing fingers. It's like the fact that one hundred percent 358 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: of fats in the American diet, or animal based fats 359 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 3: like butter, sixty years ago, and now eighty percent of 360 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: fats are a brand new creation, this industrial seed oils. 361 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 3: There's all this discuss Oh, it's anti science to attack 362 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 3: seed dolls. I don't have the science, and there's no 363 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 3: government plan to regulate seed oils. But the fact that 364 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 3: the components of our diet have changed so quickly it's 365 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 3: worth discussing. It's worth discussing that one hundred percent of 366 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: our grains fifty years ago were whole grains and now 367 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 3: eighty percent of our grains are refined grains. Refined grains 368 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 3: take the fiber off because it makes it more shelf stable, 369 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 3: but that fiber blunts the glucose impact of the grains, 370 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 3: and that fiber is what contrains all the nutritional values 371 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: so these are kind of non political topics. But like 372 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: when you look at the change of our metabolic inputs, 373 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: food movement, environmental toxins, medicalization. 374 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 4: You go through the list and. 375 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 3: Then look at the dramatic change and how we're such 376 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,480 Speaker 3: an outlier versus almost every other country on health outcomes. 377 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 3: It does beg for a conversation. I can't emphasize this enough. 378 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 3: This is an invitation from the Trump administration for a 379 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 3: mature conversation because this is a big topic. 380 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: As a consumer, how do I go to the grocery 381 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: store and know whether I'm getting ultra processed foods or 382 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: traditionally process foods. 383 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 4: The report goes into that. So let's just make it 384 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 4: very simple. 385 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: I think at three year old, This is my argument 386 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 3: to people who sometimes you try to make it too complicated. 387 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 4: You know, a three year old knows. 388 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 3: What a processed food is versus whole food. A whole 389 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 3: food is something without ingredients. With seventy percent of diets now, 390 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 3: is ultra process food? What I think the areas to 391 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 3: look into, and I look at it from just what 392 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: has changed in the American diet, an ultraprocessed food and 393 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 3: the foundation of the American diet right now is refined grains, 394 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 3: and I talked about that that takes the fiber off. 395 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 3: It's been a massive increase of refined grain. So any 396 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 3: type of rich flour, in rich wheat, that's usually the 397 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: first thing in the box when you look at something 398 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: you're holding in a box. Number two is added sugar. 399 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 3: Sugar consumption has exploded. Added sugar is really a new 400 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: phenomenon to the human diet. It's really just in the 401 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: past one hundred hundred and fifty years that it even 402 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 3: has existed. So you've added sugar in there. There's forty 403 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 3: different names for sugar on a label. Often there's many 404 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 3: different types of names, and it's to not. 405 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 4: Make it the first ingredient. 406 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: And then industrial process seed oils, and again I don't 407 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 3: want to get into the debate on that, but canola 408 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 3: oil is the top source of American calories right now. 409 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,679 Speaker 3: It is an invention of the past one hundred years 410 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 3: and it is a process where you heat up seeds 411 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: into a sludge and you douse that sludge in rust, 412 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 3: remover and bleach and literally eighteen other processed steps to 413 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 3: create an oil that's about fifteen times cheaper than olive oil. 414 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 3: So those are the three components of ultra processed food 415 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 3: are essentially like brand new ingredients into the human body. 416 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 3: And then you've got the preservatives and you've got all 417 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 3: the additives, which we're having a really biparson conversation about it. 418 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 3: If there's animation on the right. I mean the Maha 419 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: conservative moms are the ones who led the outrage about 420 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 3: the food dies. I mean these food dyes that are 421 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: in I think it's sixty percent of children's food are 422 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 3: made of petroleum. And I love oil, and as President 423 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: Trup said, baby's not touching the liquid gold. But I 424 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: don't know if we should be eating it. It's banned 425 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: in every other country, and there's very clear studies showing 426 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 3: that it's linked to developmental. 427 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 4: Issues and things like that. 428 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: So there are preservatives like BHT and tanitanium dioxide that 429 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 3: are really problematic that are banned in almost every other 430 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 3: country in the world. So I think it's very appropriate, 431 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 3: I believe, very conservative for the FDA now to be 432 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 3: running studies on these things, to have transparency. I think 433 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 3: there's in the medical and the food system kind of 434 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 3: a lack of informed consent, and you're inevitably eating these 435 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: chemicals that the FDA has. 436 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 4: Really been to sleep at the wheel on. The last 437 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 4: thing I'll. 438 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 3: Say new on ultiprocessed food is I think we always 439 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 3: have to remember that the ultraprocess food industry was created 440 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: by the cigarette industry, and in the eighties, you know, 441 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: it was not a huge part. 442 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 4: Of our diet. Ultrap process food. 443 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 3: It's skyrocketed since the eighties. But in the eighties, Philip 444 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 3: Morris and R. J. Reynolds bought food companies RJ, they 445 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 3: bought Nibisco, they bought Craft, they bought US Foods. So 446 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 3: forty percent of the US food supply in nineteen ninety 447 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 3: was controlled by the cigarette industry who started consolidating food companies, 448 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 3: and they very deliberately added all these chemicals and ultra 449 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: processed food to make it more palatable and make it 450 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 3: more addictive. 451 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 4: They shifted literally. 452 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 3: Their cigarette scientists who were focused on addiction to food. 453 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 4: So again it's not. 454 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 3: Really finger pointing, it's not really a political issue, but 455 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: we do have a food system that just factually was 456 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: influenced by cigarette industry scientists to put softwagers in the 457 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: food to make us chew less, you know, to put 458 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: the best R and d re searchers and scientists in 459 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 3: the world to figure out flavors that made us want 460 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 3: to eat more, to very deliberately devoid the food of 461 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 3: nutrients so our body doesn't feel full, but you keep. 462 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 4: Eating like that was very deliberate. 463 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 3: Right now, actually, on earnings calls, large food companies are 464 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: saying that they're studying ozimpic because they're trying to figure 465 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: out the exact molecules in ozimpic to make us not 466 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: want to eat more, so that they can hack those molecules. 467 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 3: So even when you're taking ozimpic, you still want to 468 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: keep eating the food like That's the type of research 469 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,959 Speaker 3: just demonstrably that processed food industry does. Whereas if you're 470 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 3: eating steak or eating broccoli or whatever, our body has 471 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 3: ingrained systems to know what's enough, which is why there's 472 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,719 Speaker 3: no chronic obesio epidemic among wild animals. The humans are 473 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: the only animal that have this problem. It's because we 474 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: have food that's hijacking our evolutionary biology. So again, long 475 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: term conversation, but we have to grapple with this dynamic 476 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 3: where that's seventy percent of our child's diet right now. 477 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: Favorite Hamburger and an Altburger. They just announced that they're 478 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: taking the pink dye out of their strawberry milkshakes. 479 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 4: Free market Action. 480 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 3: Skittles just removed titanium dioxide yesterday. The thing with the 481 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: food and the even pharma, they're all human beings. President 482 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 3: Trump said it at the event. You try to make 483 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 3: these arguments around why we spend ten times more on 484 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: some drugs than others, they can't defend that. The food industry, 485 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 3: there's really actually positive conversations, and there's positive conversations around 486 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 3: this report because nobody on a human level disagrees with 487 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 3: the state of human health being unacceptable. Nobody disagrees it 488 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 3: has to do with food and these other factors. So 489 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 3: I actually do think there's some positive discussions happening. And no, 490 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 3: the largest food companies, the largest restaurants in the world 491 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 3: are changing based on consumer demand, and you're going to 492 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 3: see a lot more of that. And I do think, 493 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 3: and I'm optimistic if this movement holds. If the MAHA Coalition, 494 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 3: I'll just be blunt, stays with the Republicans, stays with 495 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: President Trump, because that gives them a sword to fight 496 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: on these issues. We're going to have a much different 497 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 3: country in four years. I think in ten years we 498 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 3: will have a totally reset incentive structure that helps American 499 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: farmers grow whole food and rewards medical companies for promoting longevity, 500 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: not just disemagement. 501 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,959 Speaker 1: As I look from my background, as I look at 502 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: your report, which I strongly urge people to get the 503 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: MAHA Report, and we're going to make sure they can 504 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: get it. If we could get to a healthier America, 505 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: I think we would take about four percent of the 506 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: gross domestic product out of the cost of health care 507 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: just because people be healthier, they. 508 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 2: Wouldn't need it. 509 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: I think that is an extraordinary opportunity both to save 510 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: lives in a very real sense, and also I cannot 511 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: imagine getting back to a balanced budget without having a 512 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: truly successful approach to MAHA and a real resetting of 513 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: the American system around being healthy and having genuine health 514 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: care rather sick care. I think there has to be 515 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: a MAHA movement on the outside. It's even more important 516 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: than the things the government's going to do on the inside, 517 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: because if this becomes much the way I say Mother's 518 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: unstrunk driving did, if this becomes an integral part of 519 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: how we think about things five or ten years from now, 520 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: we're going to be a dramatically healthier country. 521 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 4: Well, I totally agree with you. 522 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: It just got off the flight from Texas meeting with 523 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: Governor Abbott. The most lobbied bill in the Texas legislature 524 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 3: this year, out of all the issues in Texas, the 525 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: most lobbied bill by an order of magnitude was a 526 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:39,400 Speaker 3: bill led by Maha Moms to just have some increased 527 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 3: transparency on food labeling. No regulation, increased transparency, which I 528 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 3: consider a conservative principle. Let people do whatever they want. 529 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 3: I'm a libertarian, take drugs, eat whatever you want, drink 530 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: whatever you want. But we have I think mass uninformed 531 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 3: consent with the American people when it comes to food 532 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 3: and when it comes to healthcare. This bill was lobbied 533 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 3: the CEOs of international food companies Food to Texas and 534 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 3: at pass. 535 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 4: We'll see what the governor does. 536 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 3: But there was an acknowledgment in Texas that there was 537 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: more animation from lobbyists on this bill, and there was 538 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 3: more animation from voters than any bill this year. I 539 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: agree with you, the Maha coalition doesn't even be an 540 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 3: organized that much, but there's this energy around this frustration 541 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 3: on children's health. This year needs to be about laying 542 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: the baseline this report, getting people on board with the thesis, 543 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 3: because if you win the argument, I think of the 544 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 3: inarguable reality that we have a pretty broken incentives, it 545 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 3: necessitates real reform and real discussion of reform. I think 546 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 3: we're doing short term wins like the food dies right now, 547 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 3: like taking the COVID vaccine off the CZ schedule for kids, 548 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 3: which is a no brainer President Trump and Bobby Kennedy 549 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 3: just did with some FDA conflict of interest reform. But 550 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: if the movement can stay, I think it was so 551 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 3: notable at the event as you didn't just have the 552 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 3: HTS secretary, you had Russ Voyd from the OMB, you 553 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 3: had representatives of the military, you know, the administration. You 554 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: had a whole of government approach. And I think at 555 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 3: least what I'm seeing among the highest ranks the administration 556 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 3: is there's a historic amount of cross collaboration and it 557 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: is a growing understanding that the biggest line item there 558 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 3: our budget is sick people. That's what's bankrupt gots more 559 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: than anything. And if we could even normalize croc disease, 560 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: rights and life expects it to European levels. 561 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 4: We would save trillions of dollars. I can't emphasize this enough. 562 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 3: You have much more happy, productive people in the economy. 563 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: You're offering people a chance to live longer, live healthier, 564 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: basically be much happier if you, in fact do create 565 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: do arouse I think is probably a better way to 566 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: put it. A genuine make America Healthy again movement that 567 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: gets into the grassroots and the way you described in Texas, 568 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: for example, and it gets people so they shop differently. 569 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean, the food manufacturers in the end will follow 570 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: the customers. I think what you and your sister have accomplished, 571 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: the degree to which you have begun at a profound 572 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: level to move one of the most important parts of 573 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: the American system. It's frankly encouraging as a matter of 574 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: citizenship that ideas and people encourage and energy and persistence 575 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: really still matter in America, and you two are living 576 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: proof that it's going on. I want to thank you 577 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: for joining me. I know how amazingly busy you are. 578 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: Our listeners can download the Maha Report for free by 579 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: visiting White House dot Go slash Maha. That's Maha. I 580 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: encourage everyone to take a look at it, read it 581 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: and support this new effort to make our children healthy again. 582 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 1: And we're going to put a link to the Maha 583 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: Report on our show page at Newtsworld. And Kelly, thank 584 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: you so much for taking time out of your amazingly 585 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: busy schedule to join us now. 586 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 3: Your big thinking has inspired us more than you know, 587 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 3: and it's an honor to have this conversation with you. 588 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 4: Thank you. 589 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: I guess Kelly means you can get a link to 590 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: the Maha Report on our show page at Newtsworld dot com. 591 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: Newsworld is produced by Gingrishtreet sixty and iHeartMedia. Our executive 592 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: producer is Guarnsey Sloan. Our researcher is Rachel Peterson. The 593 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: artwork for the show was created by Steve Penley. Special 594 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: thanks to the team at Gingrishtree sixty. If you're enjoying Newtsworld, 595 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: I hope you'll go to Apple Podcast and both rate 596 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: us with five stars and give us a review so 597 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: others can learn what it's all about. Right now, listeners 598 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: of Newtsworld consigner for my three free weekly columns at 599 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: Ginglishtree sixty dot com slash newsletter. 600 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: I'm newt gingrich. This is newtsworld.