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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cowboys headquarters in Frisco,

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Speaker 1: deep in the heart of Texas. It's the Star night. Wow,

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Speaker 1: dramatic much. Why are you getting in the way of

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Speaker 1: my intro? You mean our intro? We're your hosts. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kelsey Charles and I'm David Hellman. Okay, let's just start

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Speaker 1: this show now. What is up everyone? Hello again? It

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Speaker 1: has been a hot minute since we have seen you,

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Speaker 1: wonderful people. I can't tell if it feels like it's

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Speaker 1: been a day or a lifetime since we've done this

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Speaker 1: shows it like two weeks or something. A lot going on.

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Speaker 1: What else is new? Team? True? True? All right, David,

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Speaker 1: so um without further ado, I mean, let's go ahead

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Speaker 1: and dive in. I kind of do sutch me up.

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Speaker 1: I don't even like quick hits if you well, I

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Speaker 1: think the thing that has shocked me the most. If

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Speaker 1: never have predicted that both coordinators were returning to this

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys team. And you know what, here we are.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to remember this till the day I die,

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Speaker 1: Just like all of the breath we wasted on Dan

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Speaker 1: Quinn and Kellen Moore not being Oh what are they

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Speaker 1: gonna do? Oh, how are they gonna keep them? This

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Speaker 1: is terrible. Their coordinators are too good. They're both here,

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Speaker 1: They're both still here. Yeah, what were we doing? I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 1: let life happen maybe from time to time, you know, sure, sure,

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Speaker 1: I do have to say though, I think the most

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Speaker 1: shocking one for me was Dan Quinn. Yeah obviously, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: I mean he interviewed for like seven jobs and oh,

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Speaker 1: sort of was like, oh, he could coach our team

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Speaker 1: one day. That was pretty shocking. That's the life that

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Speaker 1: I've been living for the last month, against all odds. Dan,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy you're back, Mike McCarthy said yesterday, cowboys best

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Speaker 1: chance to win is with Dan Quinn on the staff.

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Speaker 1: I firmly agree Kellen Moore. I think we give Kellen

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Speaker 1: the way the season ended. I'm happy he's back for

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Speaker 1: another door around. All right, So this whole entire offensive

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Speaker 1: but we do have one new edition, one little bit

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Speaker 1: of a switch up. If you will fly receivers go, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm laughing because so the Cowboys, They've only made one

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Speaker 1: change to their coaching staff. They bring in Robert Prince

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Speaker 1: in exchange for Adam Henry, the only the only coach

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Speaker 1: who was out of contract. Then Robert Prince goes and

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Speaker 1: interviews for a coordinator job in his own right, like

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Speaker 1: the stats want to talk to excuse me, Robert Quinn.

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Speaker 1: Robert Prince, yes, so, And that literally happened like two

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Speaker 1: days after his hiring was announced. I do. I think

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Speaker 1: this is sneaky interesting though. Robert Prince has history with

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore going back to the Detroit Lions and even

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Speaker 1: in the Boise State Broncos. I have a feeling Kellen

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Speaker 1: think he is. I think that could pay dividends for

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Speaker 1: Kellen Mark didn't. He also wasn't the interim head coach

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Speaker 1: a week, yes, with the Lions because everybody had COVID

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Speaker 1: days or one thousand percent counting that. Okay, so let's

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Speaker 1: talk defense. Obviously, Dan Quinn he's staying in the building.

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Speaker 1: And I know one player who was incredibly excited about that,

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Speaker 1: Michael Parson's got his wish. Well, Michael Parsons also got

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Speaker 1: some of hardware this offseason, albeit it was not a

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Speaker 1: right about that. We basically gave Mike a Defensive Rookie

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Speaker 1: Here from another defensive standout for this Dallas Cowboys team

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Speaker 1: in years past, de Marcus ware Um, he actually did

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Speaker 1: love for you to just share it with the world

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Speaker 1: so not everyone just loses their minds. This was a

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Speaker 1: Fame committee. They clearly had a few guys. Tony BISSELLI

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Speaker 1: deserved to be a first ballot Hall of Famer in

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Speaker 1: my opinion. But in the eyes of the committee, I

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Butler getting in is a good thing

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Speaker 1: for Darren Woodson, very comparable careers, Very Darren Woodson has

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Speaker 1: a better resume. If we're being if we're keeping it

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Speaker 1: have been first ballot. So while DeMarcus has himself a

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately you did not get your way. I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean Odell one, that's fair like, I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: nfls you, baby, Like we got somebody on every team.

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Speaker 1: You got somebody sons, big wit one, Odell one. I

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Speaker 1: know Caden threw that shot of O'Dell and Joe. You

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Speaker 1: Carter's last name. I don't know Dan Canon. Thank you

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Speaker 1: get them? You can't even get the reference right? Fine?

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Speaker 1: Does Nick Cannon have a lot of kids. Yes, oh

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Speaker 1: like a million. Okay, well, yeah, I do, look like

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Speaker 1: we got a lot. We got distracted. The main point, like,

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Speaker 1: I just I'm tired of talking about other teams win

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Speaker 1: well indeed they did, and I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: how they got it done. So you know, I can't

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Speaker 1: don't think the Rams have mortgaged their future. Really. I

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Speaker 1: reluctant to embrace. Wow, My point is, what's the future

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Speaker 1: that got mortgaged. Matt Stafford's under contract, Like they got

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Speaker 1: here on out is gravy. And to take this another step,

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Speaker 1: what the Rams have done is trade way. They're big

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Speaker 1: assets for proven production. They're basically saying, we think a

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Speaker 1: So I don't like the idea that they mortgage the future.

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Speaker 1: twenty four. That's absolutely terrifying. But can you identify good

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Speaker 1: players that cost a second, a third, maybe a first.

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Speaker 1: Last time the Cowboys traded at first, they got to

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Speaker 1: That worked out pretty well in my opinion, I think

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Speaker 1: I think you could pursue a more aggressive mindset to

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Speaker 1: acquire talent from outside your roster. Oh yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: Maybe guys that are like when you said proven proven recently,

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Speaker 1: not proven way previously allah Dntari Pole in the likes

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Speaker 1: don't know about that, but it's it's worth looking. I

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Speaker 1: bring it up all the time. I've brought it up

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Speaker 1: on other platforms, so I am sorry. But the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: gone on to produce some incredible seasons in the time

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Speaker 1: just had like eighteen for the Bears after he left here.

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Speaker 1: There are ways to acquire talent beyond just using your

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Speaker 1: it's the Weave, Holy Cooker and jarn curse. Come on back,

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