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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

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Speaker 1: Lots to dive into as we come up on the

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Speaker 1: end of November, and we are going to be very

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Speaker 1: rapidly able to say in one month voting starts for

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four election, and many of you listening

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Speaker 1: to us in Iowa, New Hampshire and certainly any bordering

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Speaker 1: state in that region feel like the election has been

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Speaker 1: going on for a long time now based on all

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Speaker 1: of the political advertisements you have been seeing. And as

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Speaker 1: we get ready for Ron DeSantis to debate against Gavin

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Speaker 1: Newsom on Thursday, and what will be the fourth Republican

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Speaker 1: primary debate next week it should be taking place in Tuscaloosa, Alabama,

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Speaker 1: with Chris Christy, the veak Ramaswami, Nicki Haley, and Ron

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Speaker 1: DeSantis on the stage. I think it is fair to say,

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Speaker 1: as we sit here really about six weeks out from

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Speaker 1: official voting, that right now the great debate that is

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Speaker 1: going on in the Republican primary elector it is Trump

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Speaker 1: versus Who and I'm reading from the New York Times

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Speaker 1: this morning. The Coke Network has endorsed Nicky Haley in

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Speaker 1: and I'm reading this New York Times headline in a

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Speaker 1: bid to push Republicans past Trump. The support will give

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Speaker 1: Hailey more organizational strength as she battles Ron DeSantis for

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Speaker 1: the number two spot in the Republican presidential race. And

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Speaker 1: this is the Coke Network theoretically going to lead to

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Speaker 1: tens of millions of dollars being spent on behalf of

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley and Buck. What stands out to me about

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Speaker 1: this is, right now, we seem to be in a

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Speaker 1: pause where it's not so much everyone running against the

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Speaker 1: leader Trump as it is, Okay, who is going to

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Speaker 1: be the alternative to Trump in the Republican primary. It's

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Speaker 1: fair to say it's down to Ron DeSantis and Nicky Haley.

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Speaker 1: I like Vivek, You like Vivek. We've had Chris Christy

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Speaker 1: on the show. Those guys don't really have a chance

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Speaker 1: to become the alternative. It is going to be Nicky

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Speaker 1: Haley or Ron DeSantis. But my question for you, Buck,

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Speaker 1: is is it the case that as now Nicky Haley

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Speaker 1: and Ron de Santis are likely turning their guns on

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Speaker 1: each other and trying to be the surviving number two,

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Speaker 1: the alternative to Trump. That this is the best possible

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Speaker 1: thing that could ever happen to Trump, and that while

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Speaker 1: there is a battle to figure out who's going to

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Speaker 1: be in second place, by the time a second place

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Speaker 1: is determined, Trump is already going to have won the

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Speaker 1: nomination and it's not going to matter. How would you

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Speaker 1: assess the so called horse ray, because I think that

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Speaker 1: is six weeks out the number one story not who's

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Speaker 1: going to be running against Trump, but who is the

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Speaker 1: primary alternative to Trump.

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Speaker 2: Well, clearly something is going on here because the Haley

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Speaker 2: and DeSantis super packs are attacking each other, millions of

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Speaker 2: dollars spent now recently going after each other instead of

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Speaker 2: going after Trump, the front runner. I see a couple

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Speaker 2: of different versions of the strategy here unfolding before us.

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Speaker 2: On the one hand, I think it's possible that both

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Speaker 2: of the and this is certainly what they would say openly, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean option A, I think is the official position,

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Speaker 2: and it would be that the DeSantis and Haley camps

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Speaker 2: are saying the other one. Depending on which one you're

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Speaker 2: talking about. The other second tier needs to get out

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Speaker 2: so I can square off against Trump, which talking about

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Speaker 2: looking at those numbers, that's option A.

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Speaker 3: Option B.

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Speaker 2: Is a little bit of it of a different, different vibe,

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Speaker 2: which is that they're hoping to be in a second

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Speaker 2: place position. I mean specifically, I think for the Nikki

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Speaker 2: like Trump's only got one term for if Haley can

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Speaker 2: assure herself a VP ticket with Trump and then bring

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Speaker 2: that together meaning her voters, his voters, she only gets this.

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Speaker 2: She only has to be the VP for two years basically,

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Speaker 2: and then she starts running for president. Then she's going

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Speaker 2: out raising her own money and maybe does so with

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Speaker 2: the blessing of Trump. Right, that's option B. I think

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Speaker 2: that's the less likely strategy. Maybe that's the Plan B here,

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Speaker 2: the secondary option. And I'm trying to think if there's

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Speaker 2: a viable option CE, a viable third third way here.

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Speaker 2: The only thing would be that the Haley and DeSantis

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Speaker 2: And no one will say this out loud, but they

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Speaker 2: maybe Trump ends up running into some trouble here with

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Speaker 2: these prosecutions, and maybe the numbers shift and maybe things

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Speaker 2: the third plan. Am I missing anything or do you

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Speaker 2: disagree with any of those? No, I mean here's my

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Speaker 2: to Trump, which means we roll on into I think

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Speaker 2: South Carolina, Nevada, these other states, and Trump is going

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Speaker 1: I think the vehicle hold on. I think Chris Christy

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Speaker 1: And it's the problem is that I see and look

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Speaker 1: open phone lines. We don't have any guests today. Eight

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Speaker 1: welcome to tell Buck or myself what are we missing.

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Speaker 1: I think that this battle for who is going to

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Speaker 1: be the alternative to Trump is hugely beneficial for Trump,

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Speaker 1: and so the idea this was the whole thing that

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Speaker 1: happened Buck in twenty sixteen, which is sooner or later

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Speaker 1: you're going to be on the stage one v one

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Speaker 1: versus Trump, and Trump will collapse. Then I just keep

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Speaker 1: coming back to the raw math, and you can correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong out there, and you are a

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Speaker 1: diehard Nicki Haley supporter, I think that Ron DeSantis, if

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Speaker 1: I think Ron de Santis supporters would overwhelmingly go to Trump.

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Speaker 1: In other words, I don't see and tell me where

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong. They're Nicky Haley people out there listening right now.

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Speaker 1: how Nicki Hayley wins a one v one versus Trump,

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Speaker 1: because I think the vague supporters go to Trump. I

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Speaker 1: think DeSantis's supporters go to Trump. I mean the majority

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Speaker 1: of them. And if Nicki Haley's already forty points behind

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Speaker 1: is in Iowa, New Hampshire. I am not a mathematical scholar, buck,

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Speaker 1: The only math course I took in college was mathematical ideas.

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Speaker 1: That's literally what the PLA.

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Speaker 2: Sounds a really really numerical and intet.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it was me and every sorority girl at

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Speaker 1: I ever made. Not diehard math, right, but I'm pretty

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Speaker 3: The raw math.

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Speaker 1: If I'm standing in front of a board right now

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Speaker 1: and I'm drawing it, Nicky Haley's supporters are not going

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Speaker 1: math works out here for Nicki Haley. What am I missing?

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Speaker 2: So if I'm advising Nicki Haley behind the scenes, if

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Speaker 2: I'm giving her my sort of best sense of what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen here, I don't see how she could

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Speaker 2: have a safer play. Then Look, everyone has to see

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Speaker 2: what the voting is in Iowa New Hampshire, and then

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Speaker 2: I think there may be deals to be struck.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: I think that DeSantis is likely to come in second

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Speaker 2: there is this theory that then the dominoes all fall

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Speaker 2: and people change their minds. I mean, that would be

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Speaker 2: the biggest come from behind. I'm not saying it's impossible.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I always point out and no one can preck the future.

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Speaker 2: But to me, if DeSantis is able to win in Iowa,

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Speaker 2: maybe something big happens if he comes in second and

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Speaker 2: then Haley comes in second in New Hampshire. If I'm

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Speaker 2: the Haley camp, I say, look, if you can bring

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Speaker 2: together the donor class with Trump World, you win the primer.

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Speaker 2: I don't you know that? My pitch would be, Hey, Donald,

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Speaker 2: woman VP, who is tight with the donor class, who

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Speaker 2: worked in your administration.

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Speaker 1: That then left your administration in good, good stead. See

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Speaker 1: that's my thing. I don't think Nikki Hayley's really bucked

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Speaker 1: trying to win well.

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Speaker 2: But but if she's trying to be VP, she's playing

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Speaker 2: it very well because what she ends up doing here

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Speaker 2: in this process, this is what I was gonna go

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Speaker 3: She is affect.

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Speaker 2: She has taken the mantle from Viveake of the other

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Speaker 2: person in the race who is boxing out Rohn DeSantis.

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Speaker 2: She is doing a better job to box out the

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Speaker 2: Desanta's team than Viveke is right now, and that is

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Speaker 2: clearly catching the eye of Trump world. And you'll notice

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Speaker 2: she does have I missed anything. She doesn't go after

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Speaker 2: better at the job. Well, you know, everyone should say

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Speaker 2: that if they're gonna run for president, but she hasn't.

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Speaker 2: She's not you know, uh talking about the insurrection or

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Speaker 2: going after Trump hard. I think she's leaving the option.

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Speaker 1: I just again a basic mathematics and I'm open to again,

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Speaker 1: I took mathematical ideas.

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Speaker 1: I am not, you know, a genius when it comes

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Speaker 3: I'm not pythagorous here.

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Speaker 1: But I do look at this and just say, man,

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Speaker 1: it's going to play out, Nikki Haley is setting herself

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Speaker 1: up to be Donald Trump's vice president. She's not setting

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Speaker 1: herself up to beat Trump. Ron DeSantis, I think both

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Speaker 1: of us agree. Buck will not take the VP role

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Speaker 1: from Donald Trump like he like, no, no way, no.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at it again, if we were sitting

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Speaker 2: team here, if you're De Santa's team, you finish out

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Speaker 2: being governor and then you gear up for twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you take I don't think you take

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Speaker 2: a VP slot.

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Speaker 3: I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So if if you are out there and I

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Speaker 1: don't know what the percentage of our audience is, but

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Speaker 1: let's say it's forty let's say it's forty five percent.

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Speaker 1: Let's say it's thirty five percent. If you are die

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Speaker 1: point is Rond De Santis. Now, I'm not sure that

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Speaker 1: the math would add up for Ron DeSantis, because I

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Speaker 1: think the kill shot here would be Trump just coming

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Speaker 1: over the top and getting Nicky Haley as his VP

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Speaker 1: and you know, just basically saying this thing's over.

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Speaker 2: And at that point he could probably also offer Viveke something.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, certainly.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think that they could be Secretary of the

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, Ron is a very you know you

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Speaker 2: I mean, it reminds me a lot of twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's why the math on this, to me,

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Speaker 2: the way, might be less than half might be less

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Speaker 2: than a hundred thousand votes in sixth eights And the

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Speaker 2: answer is almost certainly yes.

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Speaker 1: The one poll that suggests that if Trump is convicted

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Speaker 1: of a felony that it would alter the trajectory of

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Speaker 1: this race, that would be what would have me a

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Speaker 1: little bit nervous if I were looking at this, I

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Speaker 1: think that Pole is wrong.

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Speaker 3: I just turns out to be right.

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Speaker 2: By the way the GOP is done, The GOP needs

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Speaker 2: to just, you know, be rebuilt a new brick by brick,

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Speaker 2: I mean it will have It will mean that every

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Speaker 2: strategist and every politico and all of them got completely

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Speaker 2: swindled in a way that is unforgivable and well honestly

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Speaker 2: will change politics in this country for generations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And what I would say too is, and I think

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Speaker 1: I talked about this yesterday. By the time we come

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Speaker 1: out of July fourth July fourth January first, by the

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Speaker 1: time we come out of that holiday, we're going to

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Speaker 1: be two months from Trump potentially being on trial in Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. If that March fourth, I believe it's March

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Speaker 1: fourth trial date actually holds, and I question whether it will.

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Speaker 1: But if it does, that is seismic in terms of

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Speaker 1: the amount of attention that it will get on the

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Speaker 1: Joe Scarborough front. Though in the MSNBC argument, it is

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Speaker 1: pretty devastating polling data for Joe Biden that is coming

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Speaker 1: in right now. Eleven of the thirteen national polls in

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Speaker 1: November have had him down, and Trump has the largest

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Speaker 1: lead in the polls that he's ever had in his

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Speaker 1: entire political career. So I would be nervous if I

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Speaker 1: would be nervous about that if I were Biden. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's cataclysmic because we're still eleven months. Data

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Speaker 1: couldn't be much worse for him.

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Speaker 2: There are two ways to take that, and one of

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Speaker 2: them you just hit, which is it's so early, who cares?

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Speaker 2: I think the response to that or the other approach

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Speaker 2: to this would set would be yeah. But Trump's never

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Speaker 2: been this far ahead in this way at this time,

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Speaker 2: So that's what's distinct about it. Like if this was

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Speaker 2: a mirror image of twenty twenty at this point in

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Speaker 2: terms of the polling in the swing states, you'd say, okay,

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Speaker 2: well you know we've been here before, We've never been

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Speaker 2: here before, and a year away and the polls buck.

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Speaker 1: We had the Real Clear Politics guy on who does

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Speaker 1: phenomenal work, Wednesday, because he put out a comparison. Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is where we were in fifteen, this is where

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Speaker 1: we were in nineteen, this is where we were are

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Speaker 1: in twenty three. Trump was down ten to Biden head

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Speaker 1: to head in November of nineteen, and Trump was down

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Speaker 1: four to Hillary Clinton in November of fifteen. Reason why

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Speaker 1: I bring that up. First of all, the Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: Trump race didn't end up that much different than what

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Speaker 1: it was a year out, but Trump outperformed both times

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Speaker 1: relative to where he was in the poll in November

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Speaker 1: of fifteen and in November of nineteen. If the polls

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Speaker 1: were still wrong, then they're actually still under counting Trump's support,

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Speaker 1: and if he were two or three points better than

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Speaker 1: what he is right now, we're talking about a landslide

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Speaker 1: election in favor of Trump. And the one thing that

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Speaker 1: nobody is I don't think contemplating enough is we're going

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Speaker 1: to not just have probably a third party, but also

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Speaker 1: a fourth, a fifth, and a sixth party. Your ballot

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Speaker 1: for president is going to have more candidates than most

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Speaker 1: of us can ever remember, and I think that works

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Speaker 1: against Biden.

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Speaker 3: The more people that are on your ticket, well.

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Speaker 2: That those are in my I guess that's kind of

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Speaker 2: a known unknown. But no one really understands how additional

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Speaker 2: candidates are going to affect. You know, it's just too

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Speaker 2: hard to run. You can't run that simulation accurately because

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Speaker 2: you're getting so granular in the data. And remember there's

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Speaker 2: every poll has a margin of error, as they said

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Speaker 2: on the you know Scarborough show there, Yes, and that's

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Speaker 2: because you can't no matter what you do, you can't

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Speaker 2: know with any degree of true certainty what the exact

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Speaker 2: numbers are. So I think it's all going to be

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Speaker 2: very tight. But you know, we'll continue to look at

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Speaker 2: some of the core issues here. Obviously, the economy is

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Speaker 2: going to matter a lot. Interesting date on this. By

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Speaker 2: the way, the New York Times Siena College poll recently

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Speaker 2: sixty two percent of Biden voters, so just put aside

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Speaker 2: any all Republicans, Biden voters, sixty two percent of them

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Speaker 2: say that the economy is fair or poor that's not good.

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Speaker 3: No, but that could change.

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Speaker 1: This is and it's all I think Buck, based on pricing,

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Speaker 1: and we'll hit that some in the second and third

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Speaker 1: hour of the show. Also, this crazy story out of

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Speaker 1: Kansas City about a little kid who painted his face.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how many of you have seen this.

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Speaker 1: In third hour will hit This kid paints his face

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Speaker 1: and wears a head dress to go to a Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chiefs game, and a website decides to go to

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Speaker 1: war with this kid. I mean, I'm talking about like

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Speaker 1: a six seven, eight year old kid, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: elementary age kid. They said he wore blackface. He actually

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Speaker 1: just painted his face half black, half red and wore

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Speaker 1: a head dress. And I just want everybody out there

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Speaker 1: to think about Buck, where we are as a country

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Speaker 1: that on the left, they get more outraged by kid

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Speaker 1: Just think about what men dressing up as women. Courageous

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Speaker 1: by the way masculinity, it's under assault. If you read

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Speaker 2: We have a whole lot of calls and want to

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Speaker 2: take some of them right now. Also in the next hour,

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Speaker 2: got some updates for you on the situation of the

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Speaker 2: Israel Hamas war and also on immigration the Texas bill

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Speaker 2: That number is out and Texas can do math. Apparently

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Speaker 2: yourself we'll get into that coming up in a little bit.

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Speaker 2: We have Brent in Corvallis, Oregon, which is I've just

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Speaker 2: learned a new town. What's up, Brent, Well, Oregon State

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Speaker 2: is doc. Yeah, sorry, Bret, I had to.

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Speaker 1: I had to give a bucket a little hits right

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Speaker 1: by the way, condolences on losing your coach and losing

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Speaker 1: your conference. I don'tant to have a bad day for

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Speaker 1: everybody at Oregon State, but we appreciate the call.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have my opinions on that too, So I'm

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Speaker 4: sure you. As far as talking vice president, one thing

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Speaker 4: I think he overlooked was, you know, people in Trump's

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Speaker 4: circle would talk about he'd have these radical ideas and

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Speaker 4: then you know, he people sometimes have to bring him

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Speaker 4: down the earth of what was realistic. And I think,

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Speaker 4: you know, you want the vice president will that he'll

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Speaker 4: listen to and so who would be that best vice

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Speaker 4: president that would? You know, you see on Bill Barson,

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Speaker 4: you know Bill bars feedback was he'd have these radical ideas,

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Speaker 4: but then he would listen to his circle of people

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Speaker 4: he trusted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I thank you for the call. So you

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Speaker 3: think Nick Haley, I.

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Speaker 1: Think Nikki Haley would actually be a really solid vice

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Speaker 1: presidential choice for Donald Trump. And I mean that because

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Speaker 1: I think, buck, what are Democrats going to run on?

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Speaker 1: And let me be, let me take a step back.

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Speaker 1: I would pick, if I were Trump, a VP candidate

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Speaker 1: who would deliver a state. I've said this for a

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Speaker 1: long time. I would take Brian Kemp in Georgia. I

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Speaker 1: would take Sununu in New Hampshire. Right, we can agree

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Speaker 1: that's definitely not going to happen. Yes, So that is

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Speaker 1: what I would do. If he's not going to do that,

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Speaker 1: then I think you look at what Democrats are going

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Speaker 1: to come after him on. They're going to come after

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Speaker 1: him on He's Hitler, right, we know he's a threat

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Speaker 1: to again, worse than Hitler. Is worse than Hitler, that's right,

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Speaker 1: That's right. Trump is worse than Hitler. We know that's

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Speaker 1: gonna happen, and they're gonna come after him on abortion.

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Speaker 1: I actually think Nicki Haley on abortion really undercuts democrats

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Speaker 1: attempt to try to say, oh, they're going to be

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Speaker 1: knocking on your door if your fourteen year old daughter

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Speaker 1: gets pregnant and they're gonna put her in prison if

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Speaker 1: she tries to get an abortion, right, that's what they're

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Speaker 1: going to try to argue. Nicky Haley, I think, on

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Speaker 1: the abortion issue alone, has addressed it about as well

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Speaker 1: as a Republican could. And this is where Trump, fuck,

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Speaker 1: he's not really all that. He's never been like really,

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Speaker 1: and he appointed the judges that overturn Roe v.

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Speaker 3: Wade, but he.

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Speaker 2: Takes more positions on the issue simultaneously and gets away

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Speaker 2: with it because he's Trump and that's just that's right.

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Speaker 1: So I think that would actually undercut one of the

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Speaker 1: two things that they would come after him most aggressively on.

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Speaker 1: But that comes back to what we started the show

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Speaker 1: with Buck, which is is Nicky Haley running to be

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Speaker 1: president or running vice president?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think she's taken the shot at the big

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Speaker 2: job first, but she's happy to take the second, the

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Speaker 2: second slot if it comes to her.

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Speaker 3: That's that's my sense, Tim.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Curtis in Columbus, Ohio went a weigh in

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Speaker 2: on this issue.

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Speaker 4: What's up, Curtis, Hi, Yeah, I have a question about

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Speaker 4: the supporters for Haley and the Fantis and them when

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Speaker 4: you mentioned where they.

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Speaker 3: Would go and they would support afterwards.

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Speaker 4: If Donald Trump does not take Nikki Haley as as

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Speaker 4: Vice President, would her supporters lean towards becoming the next

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Speaker 4: group of of never Trumpers and tend to vote Democrat

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Speaker 4: in the election?

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Speaker 2: Can I just say, can I say this? I mean,

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Speaker 2: I so, I know a bunch of people who became

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Speaker 2: who for example, signed their names to never Trump in

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Speaker 2: National Review, Like I know them personally. I know people

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Speaker 2: from back. Almost all of them became not just Trumper,

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Speaker 2: but they you know, they they became very pro Trump

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Speaker 2: during the course of the Trump administration. There the the

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Speaker 2: media's game is to elevate this small group of basically

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Speaker 2: Republican turncoats. The actual never Trumpers are largely a media creation,

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Speaker 2: but they seem bigger because of the funding they get

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Speaker 2: and the appearances they get on MSNBC and CNN, et cetera,

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Speaker 2: and the contracts they get at these places. Never Trump

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Speaker 2: is not Never Trump is a Democrat. Really, like, this

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Speaker 2: never Trump thing that people talk about is actually play

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Speaker 2: a very small movement, and it really is people that

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Speaker 2: overwhelmingly become Democrats, either right away or in time. I

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Speaker 2: also think, Buck, all these people out there, I understand

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Speaker 2: you're heated.

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Speaker 3: You're in the debate, right, You're in the debate.

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Speaker 1: Season You're in the primary season, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people say, if my guy doesn't win, if my girl

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Speaker 1: doesn't win, I'm not even gonna show show up in November.

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Speaker 1: And then what happens They show up in November because

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Speaker 1: the primaries decided by March, you're gonna vote for Biden.

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Speaker 3: Of course, what I'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying we should be I mean to be never any

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Speaker 2: Republican in a choice between that Republican and Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: and the Biden regime. I mean, to me, it's just,

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Speaker 2: it's just obvious, it's it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Well, I understood that argument somewhat before Biden became president,

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Speaker 1: because maybe you bought into the bill of goods that

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Speaker 1: he was selling that he would restore a sense of normalcy,

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Speaker 1: that everything would feel like it wasn't chaos all the time.

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Speaker 1: But now can't you look around and say, okay, he's

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Speaker 1: failed there and recognize that Biden's not gonna cure what

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Speaker 1: ails the country.

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Speaker 2: It's very simple. Never say never.

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Speaker 1: Slaye Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of

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Speaker 1: truth