Speaker 1: Bule Cap Podcast Special guests in here. My guy's on fire.
Speaker 1: He's on fire right now. One of my favorites, PZ
Speaker 1: is here. Detroit's in the building. Thank you, brother, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you. It's dope to see uh this because I've
Speaker 1: been following you for a long time. Obviously, I've been
Speaker 1: tapped in since before you got locked up, and uh,
Speaker 1: it's super dope to see you catch this hit record. Man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And now it feels like
Speaker 1: everybody else is coming around, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: How do you feel like? Because it's one thing to
Speaker 1: have the catalog and to be able to go to
Speaker 1: certain markets and pick up bags and to get those
Speaker 1: streaming checks, But how does it feel to have like
Speaker 1: a record, like a hit? It feel good because pause,
Speaker 1: it feel good because I've been rapping so long exactly.
Speaker 1: And it's like I watched everybody like and there's no
Speaker 1: disrespect everybody in the d that like blew up. I
Speaker 1: kind of had like personal relationship with them, like, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So everybody go, I watched everybody
Speaker 1: music take off from the root, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And I was right there with all of them and
Speaker 1: they having me kind of feeling like maybe my music
Speaker 1: wasn't good enough, you know what I'm saying. So you
Speaker 1: feel good to finally be getting the recognition in that
Speaker 1: because I've been working hard for a lot of years.
Speaker 1: For sure. Man, you've been putting in work, yeah, putting
Speaker 1: putting so much catalog and obviously you know the label
Speaker 1: for Free Rio. Uh. You know, I feel like what
Speaker 1: you've been doing and building, it's just dope to see
Speaker 1: everybody else coming to the table now the party, I
Speaker 1: guess you know what I mean. And I also feel
Speaker 1: like to the timing just for Detroit's crazy right now
Speaker 1: because you catching ahead at the same time that it
Speaker 1: feels like every label signing somebody from Detroit. Oh yeah, Detroit.
Speaker 1: You got Baby Face Ray, you got Ice Word Vesel,
Speaker 1: you got Baby Baby Money, Tabe, Baby Trying, Baby Trying.
Speaker 1: It's a list, It's a lot, a lot of them.
Speaker 1: It's a lot, man, everybody, everybody doing good for you.
Speaker 1: You've been a part of the scene for so long.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of you know, your personal issues aside,
Speaker 1: but I feel like a lot of the issues in
Speaker 1: Detroit for the most part, have been put to rest,
Speaker 1: and it feels as unified as I've seen it in
Speaker 1: a while in terms of the top guys kind of
Speaker 1: moving together. In fact, why do you think that is
Speaker 1: everyone's kind of growing up a little or it just
Speaker 1: feels like everyone's kind of moving in the right direction. Well,
Speaker 1: it's two things. Nobody got hurt, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because that's hard to come back from. Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: no blood behind our situation. And then another thing, we
Speaker 1: are older, you know what I'm saying, and we do
Speaker 1: old at to the city because it's like everybody wanted
Speaker 1: to see that, you like, we want to see these
Speaker 1: guys come together so bad, and it was just like
Speaker 1: time for it. So as we got older and everybody
Speaker 1: got kids, and we lost got as on our side,
Speaker 1: they lost as on they side. Not from like each other,
Speaker 1: but just losing happens. And it's like, man, we need
Speaker 1: to put that bullshit to the side and just do
Speaker 1: this for the city and make it look good. And
Speaker 1: that's what we did, and now we actually get friends,
Speaker 1: all of us. Now I see it. Man, it's dope
Speaker 1: to see and it's dope to see, like, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy like yourself have to go sit down for
Speaker 1: a little bit and then come out and thrive at
Speaker 1: a level higher than you've ever thrived in your career.
Speaker 1: And on that same token, a guy like Icewear Vezzo
Speaker 1: who had to do the same thing. And you guys,
Speaker 1: it's just whenever I talk to artists who aren't from
Speaker 1: Detroit and I just we just talk about hip hop's landscape.
Speaker 1: I always tell everybody, like, I think, right now, Memphis
Speaker 1: got that got the ship, Mphis Hot. But I do
Speaker 1: think Detroit is on their Assphis Memphis Hot. But Detroit
Speaker 1: you can't we in there, you know, No, It's like
Speaker 1: for real, and and even just like the influence and
Speaker 1: like whether it's the production or the flows, I just
Speaker 1: feel like, but listen though, right, and that is true.
Speaker 1: But the sound that everybody here is a Flint sound.
Speaker 1: It's not even Detroit. You did what I'm saying, you
Speaker 1: might hear more of a Rio and Mike or Mike sound. Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to Flint. That was one of the best
Speaker 1: funniest interviews I've ever done to Mike, shout out three.
Speaker 1: But the sound that like it's more fast, is more funny,
Speaker 1: is more That's really not a Detroit sound shout out
Speaker 1: to be the pac Man facts. That's my dude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my dude. But the sound that you're all here,
Speaker 1: like the funny the funny rap is like fast is
Speaker 1: no like no choruses. It's really not a Detroit sound.
Speaker 1: It's more of a flint soign like Rio and Mike
Speaker 1: and them. It's kind of like the four or fives
Speaker 1: of that. You know what I say. I was real
Speaker 1: doing real excellent Rio, super straight. Rio be home soon. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: do we know when he's gonna be out? And I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't announce the date, but he'll be home soon. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's a hell of a what you You guys are
Speaker 1: one two punch man. Oh man, it's crazy. Yeah, it's different.
Speaker 1: Like me and Bro together is millions on top of millions.
Speaker 1: Like it's got to be like you get out a
Speaker 1: small period of time where you're out and he's out,
Speaker 1: and then he's got to go in and then you
Speaker 1: that you got to hit. So it's like he probably
Speaker 1: seeing that ship from the cell like, bro, Bro, you
Speaker 1: got one for real, Like he just sitting back and
Speaker 1: just you know, I don't really know how to explain
Speaker 1: it because we're so used to, like, all right, how
Speaker 1: can I say it? Because I don't want to say
Speaker 1: this in a way that I've been having records like
Speaker 1: going in the streets, so like, yeah, you got the
Speaker 1: two millions up. It feel good to me, But I
Speaker 1: didn't allow myself to get over excited because I had
Speaker 1: already kind of like been used to knowing how to
Speaker 1: move with these type records. You feel what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So it kind of kept me like on the humble,
Speaker 1: like so far as we I don't really know how
Speaker 1: to explain it, like how he feel about it. For me,
Speaker 1: I'm still kind of like I don't allow myself to
Speaker 1: get too excited about it, so we allow ourselves to
Speaker 1: stay home and keep working the beat. I talked to
Speaker 1: a lot of hip hop guys. I forget which rapper
Speaker 1: I just interviewed, and they said that it was like
Speaker 1: someone big who just said they two MILLIONAIP was your
Speaker 1: their favorite record. I forget who the fuck it was,
Speaker 1: but that beat is infectious. That sample is crazy. It's
Speaker 1: crazy how I even got that beat because somebody else
Speaker 1: was rapping on it when they sent it to me.
Speaker 1: I guess they wanted me to hear it and put
Speaker 1: a verse on it and whatnot. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: let me get that. Wait, so it got sent to
Speaker 1: you to be a feature facts or I think somebody
Speaker 1: may have wanted me to hear it or put a
Speaker 1: verse on it because they sent it to me, they
Speaker 1: had a verse on it already, and shit, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So when I got it in my email,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I need that. I need that. What happened to the
Speaker 1: guy whose verse was on it? I don't know, Damn
Speaker 1: he probably heard that shit Like fuck yeah, he probably did. Hey,
Speaker 1: I bet you he's getting so much. But it ain't
Speaker 1: even that though, But you want to know why, because
Speaker 1: anybody else could have made nobody could have made the song.
Speaker 1: I made facts and I couldn't nobody song. So the
Speaker 1: beat And it's the thing because I keep telling the
Speaker 1: engineer who made the beat, because we had kind of
Speaker 1: like class you know what I'm saying, because he had
Speaker 1: agreed to a number and I ain't gonna say the number.
Speaker 1: And when it when the song blew up, he ain't
Speaker 1: want to sign off on the on the on what
Speaker 1: he agreed on. He didn't have no team, no lawyers
Speaker 1: or none of that ship before the song came out.
Speaker 1: So when the song like I bid, here come a
Speaker 1: new manager and a lawyer and all this ship. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, with the numbers and ship. But
Speaker 1: we ended up working it out. But I'm telling him, like, bro,
Speaker 1: you made the beat, but it was we paid this.
Speaker 1: It was the sample on the beat, and you had
Speaker 1: to clear the sample. Clear sample had the paper, so
Speaker 1: you had to add, okay, some little bills and whistles
Speaker 1: or whatever. We can't take that away from you. But
Speaker 1: you could have gave that beat to anybody else and
Speaker 1: they wouldn't to have been the song that I made.
Speaker 1: You feel what I'm saying, So you can't sit up
Speaker 1: here at like you did something that you know what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say. So if somebody, let's say, like
Speaker 1: that particular guy is he kind of would you work
Speaker 1: with him again? No, that's fair, No, I won't work
Speaker 1: with him again. I won't. I don't like work with
Speaker 1: I really, I want to work with like in house producers, man,
Speaker 1: because it's tricky. It's different now. They made it so
Speaker 1: difficult to put out music right now, it's like crazy
Speaker 1: to where you don't even want to deal with producers
Speaker 1: if you don't personally know you know what I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: because then yeah, now I feel you because we might
Speaker 1: we might have a discussion in the studio and it's
Speaker 1: one thing, and then that lawyer drops that email over.
Speaker 1: But I ain't mad at I'm not mad at how
Speaker 1: set up because the producers do need that money and
Speaker 1: they credit, but how they got to set up Now
Speaker 1: they allowing like lower level and lower level of producers
Speaker 1: to charge like crazy numbers based based on who they
Speaker 1: think the artist is. I think also too, like you
Speaker 1: gotta look at like anybody, not even a producer's artists, anybody.
Speaker 1: You gotta like people should look at things the long
Speaker 1: play way because like, imagine if he would have just
Speaker 1: been squared up with you and and honored his words,
Speaker 1: like we would have did a whole album or something.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Ship, we made a hit together,
Speaker 1: Let's make some more or or or they're doing this too,
Speaker 1: like they give you to beat this is free or
Speaker 1: or not. But when it's time to put the record out,
Speaker 1: they're going to arts six seventh, Like bros. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, yeah, like you've never made that much
Speaker 1: money for being but they sending it on the invoys though,
Speaker 1: like helping the label paid. So when the label you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like it's treaty ship, but you
Speaker 1: still got to pay. You gotta pay for that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Sean be going for that ship though. I'll call then
Speaker 1: engineer as my producer myself, like, Yo, come on, bro
Speaker 1: right that ship coming out of my pocket. Help me out.
Speaker 1: I'll help you out. Uh, your opinion? The best cony
Speaker 1: I liand in Detroit. L. George is on six Mile
Speaker 1: and and it's on the west side too, from the
Speaker 1: east side, right, so you gotta say L. George is
Speaker 1: on six mile and I think Schaefer. Yeah, we went
Speaker 1: to a Bronx. In the Bronx, somebody told us to
Speaker 1: go to a place that was by truth, it was
Speaker 1: a drive a drive through. You're talking about a Nikki Nikki.
Speaker 1: That ship was terrible, that's it. That ship was not good.
Speaker 1: Right across the street at the corner, yep, on the corner.
Speaker 1: Not it first first, literally the first Cony Island ever
Speaker 1: went to, Like yeah, gold the corner, not it. It
Speaker 1: just told you to go there. Maybe because you was close.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was on eight mile, right, Yeah, that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eight mile of min I was on some real I
Speaker 1: went to M and M's trailer park when I was
Speaker 1: in Detroit. A lot of people want a lot of
Speaker 1: people do that. I was like, oh, ship, I get it.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny is like like I went to
Speaker 1: a Tech nine concert out there and I saw the
Speaker 1: Detroit white trash and in that moment I understood the
Speaker 1: whole eminem thing fully because I was like, Oh, these
Speaker 1: this is just a venue full of eminems that didn't
Speaker 1: make it because they got their world over there. They
Speaker 1: do don't know about it. Yeah, we just right up
Speaker 1: a mile and we see them trailer parks, but we
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. And you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy, man. I will say this still like
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, I spent about six or
Speaker 1: seven days out there, and I loved it man, in Detroit.
Speaker 1: I loved it there. Detroit cool, man. I feel like,
Speaker 1: I feel like people gotta go. That's why I like,
Speaker 1: the most beautiful black women in the world were there too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got nice women in Detroit. I don't lie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everybody hustlers in Detroit first, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Before anything, like, I know you hear about a lot
Speaker 1: of bullshit, but niggas get money, females get money. Like
Speaker 1: everybody is trying to get some money in Detroit, right,
Speaker 1: and like you can go down there and do what
Speaker 1: everyone do. Nobody ain't look for nobody, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, dude, I had a great red blue
Speaker 1: green like acid diamonds a spades spades. Yeahsi was there. Ai. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't have fun and you chow, especially in the summertime.
Speaker 1: You know what I loved is you betched the hustling thing.
Speaker 1: And I've seen it. It's funny because I've seen it
Speaker 1: since then. But I went at the liquor store on
Speaker 1: the West Side and they were selling the empty weed
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Speaker 1: back to the end for you, uh speak to I
Speaker 1: guess your mentality. I feel like when you get incarcerated
Speaker 1: and put you through some some mental anguish, Oh man,
Speaker 1: how did you have to like how were you able
Speaker 1: to still stay motivated and still stay I guess like
Speaker 1: saying going through that because you get locked up and
Speaker 1: kind of like at the peak of your career at
Speaker 1: the time, how do you how do you get on
Speaker 1: get out on the other side of that, and and
Speaker 1: and and work and be bigger and better than ever? Well,
Speaker 1: because I know I have a long time was a
Speaker 1: couple of years, two years? Yeah, so and that two
Speaker 1: years I'm like, shit, I'm go ahead and do what
Speaker 1: I need to do because I know I'm everything happened
Speaker 1: for a reason, you know what I'm saying, Even though
Speaker 1: I went to jail for some serious ship, right Like
Speaker 1: I went to jail for what everybody went to jail
Speaker 1: o nwh liuto Rico. I really went to jail for that,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I know I was
Speaker 1: in jail for serious charges, but it wasn't for long
Speaker 1: because I didn't have a criminal record. So right and
Speaker 1: that time, I read books like I never read. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I left. I dropped out of
Speaker 1: school in the eleventh grade. I didn't say I dropped
Speaker 1: out like I dropped out of high school. Like I
Speaker 1: dropped out in eleventh grade. I went. Circumstances at home
Speaker 1: was kind of like rough, so I stopped going. But
Speaker 1: I went to school up until the eleventh grade. And
Speaker 1: what the fuck was I saying? You're talking about? You
Speaker 1: just started to read? You were reading in jail, I
Speaker 1: was reading. So I started back reading, writing, getting my
Speaker 1: hand writing back, because I said, in the whole for
Speaker 1: three months. So in that time, like I had to,
Speaker 1: I couldn't do number right home twenty three hours a day,
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day in the pandemic. You know,
Speaker 1: really facts, and you gotta sell it, mate, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: And you're just in there with the dude in there.
Speaker 1: Stop nah, stop, And you know how they say, you know,
Speaker 1: two days the same, Yeah, every day, the same fuck man,
Speaker 1: every day the same. But what you do get is
Speaker 1: a piece of mind. You learn yourself. You sit back
Speaker 1: and and it's quiet and and and you figure out, like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck am I doing back here? What did I? Like?
Speaker 1: What did I do? Like you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: And you think and you figure it out like I
Speaker 1: N I never I can, I never come back. You
Speaker 1: end up getting closer with your something made I do. Uh,
Speaker 1: you ain't know something funny, right, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know. I don't even know if you remember. Like
Speaker 1: the guy that went viral in the pandemic for like
Speaker 1: making the jail video and shit, yeah, he was my
Speaker 1: salemate in there. Oh really facts, that's crazy man. When
Speaker 1: they put me in there with him, I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what the fuck they put me here with this guy? Folk?
Speaker 1: Cause I got caught with a cell phone right and
Speaker 1: it was weird and shit, I checked the whole room
Speaker 1: for bugs and shit. I'm like, man, it's this they
Speaker 1: put me here, They trying to trap me and shit.
Speaker 1: But why he ended up being cool and shit, hella intelligent,
Speaker 1: like reading man, got bookstacked to the Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: able to u I you able to like kind of
Speaker 1: readjust some here, you know, Like I mean, you really
Speaker 1: ain't got shit else to do? But read and read, write, write,
Speaker 1: as you know. I don't write. So when I got
Speaker 1: in there, I'm like, I gotta write some music, at
Speaker 1: least on a normal basis. You do punching in Yeah,
Speaker 1: so in jail, you got books of rhymes. Now, I
Speaker 1: wrote like forty raps in there. That's crazy, have you
Speaker 1: that's forty songs? You recorded them? I recorded maybe ten
Speaker 1: of them. That's that's not a bad ratio. I recorded
Speaker 1: maybe ten. It's heating there though. I got heat in there.
Speaker 1: I don't die, but I don't. I just don't remember
Speaker 1: whereas that because I moved into three different cribs. You
Speaker 1: can't write to the beat. Maybe you gotta beat in
Speaker 1: your head. Nah. When I came home, I was making
Speaker 1: that ship go to beats like I just had so
Speaker 1: many of them. I'm like, whatever, go to a beat,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Like like perk ten, I
Speaker 1: wrote that in jail. I don't know if you know
Speaker 1: that's perkteen. I wrote that in jail. So that's a
Speaker 1: jail record. Yeah, I wrote that in jail. My last
Speaker 1: intro on a Free Real album, I wrote that in jail.
Speaker 1: A couple more of my rod and I can't think
Speaker 1: off the head? What do you feel? Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously as somebody who was incarcerated from RICO and the
Speaker 1: RICO stuff that's happening in hip hop obviously in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: And it feels like that the snitching thing is a
Speaker 1: lot more prevalent than it's ever been because paperworkers, I
Speaker 1: guess easier to get to. I don't know, but like,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on, just like how artists should
Speaker 1: move nowadays? Not necessarily if they're officially wrapped up in anything.
Speaker 1: But it feels like the wrong the right people are
Speaker 1: watching and I guess they're the wrong people watching. So
Speaker 1: it's like for you, like if you could give advice
Speaker 1: to anybody going through a RICO, like you know, what
Speaker 1: would what for you? Like, what would be some advice
Speaker 1: you would give some of these artists? And how should
Speaker 1: people move? Man? Because I feel like people move so flagrantly,
Speaker 1: they put so much shit on the internet. If we
Speaker 1: don't know not to cut you off. But that is
Speaker 1: that's a serious chart, bro, Yeah, especially it's a federal one.
Speaker 1: It is a federal chart and it's a state charge.
Speaker 1: But it's a serious fucking charge. You know what. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: especially especially if you've been to prison in the in
Speaker 1: and out the system. You know what I'm saying, It's
Speaker 1: a serious fucking charge. It's hell is stressful. I've been
Speaker 1: through it, and I went through that ship for almost
Speaker 1: two and a half years before I went to jail.
Speaker 1: Me and all my Cody finished. Uh, we just live
Speaker 1: in like a time or like everything. It's so serious,
Speaker 1: like nobody don't want to hear lies or like bullshit.
Speaker 1: So these guys is like ruling to throw it all
Speaker 1: in the line for like some word ability. We'd a
Speaker 1: situation like it works. Yeah yeah, yeah, you might go platinum,
Speaker 1: but then you might sit down. Then you might you
Speaker 1: might lose it all. And it's risky, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And and and and and the question is
Speaker 1: like is it worth it? I think the internet too
Speaker 1: desensitizes every like we're all desensitized to like real consequences
Speaker 1: because so many people could just do shit on the
Speaker 1: internet and it doesn't affect them. They don't think it
Speaker 1: affects them. And I think everybody and these charges man,
Speaker 1: like like one of my like two of my Cody
Speaker 1: Finers was fighting definitely, you feel me. One of my
Speaker 1: cod de finders got thirty to sixty years plus fifteen Jesus.
Speaker 1: Two of my cod de fins got nine years, one
Speaker 1: of them got eight, two of us got two years.
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying, None of us are
Speaker 1: cooperator or ding nothing like that. We all went to
Speaker 1: court together, right, I don't speak on nobody elose cases,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: like the if they bring those charges against you, they're
Speaker 1: kind of hoping that it's like a numbers game, like
Speaker 1: if we get twenty of these guys, like all we
Speaker 1: need is won to fold. What it is is that
Speaker 1: with us, it was like these guys animals. Get these
Speaker 1: guys off the street. I wasn't even in the I
Speaker 1: wouldn't none of them. I discovery like no paper, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But they like shit, they all
Speaker 1: get them all. You don't have to be doing nothing.
Speaker 1: But if you over there, and if you've seen with
Speaker 1: these guys, and if you known for posting these guys
Speaker 1: on your page, our friends whatnot, you in the loop,
Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying. You in the loop, Nah,
Speaker 1: don't matter what you did, because they can make him
Speaker 1: say you did something for him to cut his time,
Speaker 1: lose again him off he had said, you did something.
Speaker 1: A lot of these people be on case with people
Speaker 1: that don't even know you feel what I'm saying. Would
Speaker 1: have been locked up with people like sixty people in
Speaker 1: their case, they don't know half of them. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's what's crazy. So I don't know what
Speaker 1: the fuck that is serious, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So in order to dodge these situations, you gotta start
Speaker 1: by having fun with music, Like everybody want to kill
Speaker 1: each other, like fuck all that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like fuck all that. Like I like fly shit, like
Speaker 1: you know, it's so fun flying somewhere and going shopping
Speaker 1: and living in the best hotels and swimming and pools
Speaker 1: on top of la at the Waldorf for and all.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like a lot of these
Speaker 1: young niggas will never see that because they they're living
Speaker 1: so serious. You gotta have some fun. That's the only
Speaker 1: way that doge is the start back having fun and
Speaker 1: also the dodge like like that gives you some peace.
Speaker 1: Just have fun, like come on, man, like I feel
Speaker 1: like everybody's trying to prove something. A lot of shit
Speaker 1: can't be taken back in the street. And I get it,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, But it's it used
Speaker 1: to be a time and a place for ship, like
Speaker 1: the Internet ain't for it's not for that. Like they
Speaker 1: brun the they brung that ship there, and it's fucking
Speaker 1: the game up. It's really fucking the game up. And
Speaker 1: we all did it. We all made mistakes like nobody perfect.
Speaker 1: You know, of course, everybody got caught up in the
Speaker 1: moment and did some Internet ship, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But us as a whole, we fucking the game bringing
Speaker 1: the street ship to the Internet for you, making it
Speaker 1: so easy for them and then not to cut you off.
Speaker 1: But when these niggas get these reco charges, a lot
Speaker 1: of them never had money, you feel what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: a lot of these niggas don't got nothing when they
Speaker 1: go to jail. But they ride around these guns and
Speaker 1: these cars, do this hot shit, and they go to
Speaker 1: jail and then they don't got nothing. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I haven't seen niggas, No, I see it
Speaker 1: all the time, man, even like people who aren't artists,
Speaker 1: just like people get some money. So when you do
Speaker 1: get these charges, you don't got to be calling home
Speaker 1: talking about man niggas, fake niggas. I ain't never call
Speaker 1: a nigga call home for shit. When I was in jail,
Speaker 1: I had my money put up, I had my shit
Speaker 1: put in places, and I had to trustworthy people who
Speaker 1: I knew was gonna move for me. I ain't had
Speaker 1: to call home nobody but shit. So whatever I was
Speaker 1: already doing, I can stand it. I can get in trouble.
Speaker 1: I can get myself out of it if I my
Speaker 1: lawyer money. And I ain't never had to call home.
Speaker 1: So these niggas get into trouble and they don't got
Speaker 1: no money, it's bad for sure. Susmissive in jail. What's
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Speaker 1: obviously there's a huge disconnect from like, uh, when I
Speaker 1: was growing up, the Detroit hip hop that I was
Speaker 1: listening to, it was like Jay Dilla, Eminem Royce, slum Village,
Speaker 1: you know, and I felt like the street shit have
Speaker 1: the first kind of like national time that like real
Speaker 1: dope ill street ship from Detroit hit my radar was
Speaker 1: Dope wost cash out with when they signed with CTE
Speaker 1: and and then I kind of feel like first day
Speaker 1: Out kind of like busted the gate open for that
Speaker 1: genre of Detroit hip hop nationally. How do you see
Speaker 1: like Detroit hip hop landscape? Like if you could give
Speaker 1: me like the top, give me like your your mount
Speaker 1: rushmore Detroit hip hop because it's so many different there's
Speaker 1: just so many different layers of Detroit's scene. Damn, damn,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Nobody never asked me this, excluding yourself. You
Speaker 1: can't say you that's true. You can't, Okay, you can't
Speaker 1: say you all right, but even if I if I
Speaker 1: only say me, it's all right. First and foremost, Blade, okay, rest,
Speaker 1: this is peace Street or wine okay, Eminem mm hmm,
Speaker 1: Pyro Giovanni mm hmm. One more, I need to more. Okay,
Speaker 1: give me two more ice wear, Vessel and baby fans.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that you you kind of
Speaker 1: covered all spectrums. Shot a little blade too. Who's doing uh? Okay?
Speaker 1: So for you, do you feel any pressure to follow up?
Speaker 1: You just gonna keep dropping. I just do me, bro
Speaker 1: do you because that's what you do. Don't be in
Speaker 1: the like people make detrait listens and ship. I don't
Speaker 1: get involved in it. Like I don't comment on it
Speaker 1: because it's like they do that ship to like make
Speaker 1: fans picking too. I just do. I'll just go put music.
Speaker 1: I'll be happy for everybody care about it. Well, you've
Speaker 1: always like stayed independent and been rocking with Empire and
Speaker 1: like you know, obviously shot to Gazi, shot to Nima
Speaker 1: and the team over there. I'm assuming you've had such
Speaker 1: situations that have come up where one of the quote
Speaker 1: unquote majors has tried to get you to kind of
Speaker 1: sign your fucking life away and sign the catalog away. Fact, well,
Speaker 1: nobody really never came to me like that, really not
Speaker 1: even now. No, don't be coming at me like that.
Speaker 1: I guess I got the aura of just like the
Speaker 1: like we won't waste he's an independent. Yeah, you can't,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, because nobody really never
Speaker 1: tried to like come at me in that time. I
Speaker 1: wasn't to say like kind of just speak to like
Speaker 1: what you've learned from working with Gazi, Well, I learned
Speaker 1: to be in this from Bump on my head. I
Speaker 1: learned a lot about this game, like a lot of
Speaker 1: ends and all shit about this game too, where I
Speaker 1: probably won what I'm saying, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of money in this game. If you
Speaker 1: can hold steal it should like stop build up your leverage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is like stock. Right, It's almost like that's why
Speaker 1: I think it's important to like have like a high
Speaker 1: output and it's important to build Joe catalog like shout
Speaker 1: out the Sauce Worker, because he was saying, like every
Speaker 1: song is a proper You're right, because every song stream
Speaker 1: and every song make money. So I'm going to hit
Speaker 1: your count every month, don't make don't catch a hit yep,
Speaker 1: because then that's two three hits. Yeah, you feel what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's just about holding still, like not
Speaker 1: selling out, you know what I'm saying, and me learning
Speaker 1: that when it's time for me to like go and renegotiate,
Speaker 1: it's going We're gonna have to really renegotiate, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Fact for sure? Man, Well listen, it
Speaker 1: is super Bowl. We can wearing Arizona. You got a
Speaker 1: show tonight. Yeah, I got a show tonight. I mean
Speaker 1: I got my ship going on tonight. We got to
Speaker 1: sit down and do this for like two hours in
Speaker 1: La whenever you're ready. Bro. We don't do a lot
Speaker 1: of interviews. I don't do a lot of interviews, but
Speaker 1: but you want to know, I want to start kicking it.
Speaker 1: I want to start kicking it because I want to
Speaker 1: trust me. I was in Detroit and like the main
Speaker 1: purpose of me going to Detroit was to record content
Speaker 1: with you. But I don't know what the fuck was
Speaker 1: going on at the time. Detroit, crazy whatever it was.
Speaker 1: It was like, Yo, P's he's not He's not doing
Speaker 1: nothing this week. I was like, well, shit, let me
Speaker 1: figure some shit out, and it was it cold Now
Speaker 1: it was really it wasn't It was in Uh, it
Speaker 1: was during the playoffs. It was after. It was Game
Speaker 1: seven when the Mavericks destroyed my Phoenix Suns and I
Speaker 1: lost a thousand dollars at the MGM at fucking in Detroit.
Speaker 1: I forget. So what was that June July? Yeah, what
Speaker 1: I could have been doing? Brother, But you do mushrooms? Yes? Nice.
Speaker 1: I think someone said you were shrewman that week. I
Speaker 1: could have been strooming that week. That might have been
Speaker 1: a week. Yeah, they were like, he ate a lot
Speaker 1: of mushrooms, He's not available. I was rooming for a
Speaker 1: week bad. It might have been that week. Fact probably
Speaker 1: did you Were you having bad trips or good trips?
Speaker 1: I had good trips, but one trip I had what's
Speaker 1: the fucked up trip? Explained? It wasn't even really a
Speaker 1: bad trip. It was just like me and my girl
Speaker 1: got into it. While you're tripping, real bad, damn real bad.
Speaker 1: I tore the whole house up. I broke everything in
Speaker 1: that business, and I was like, damn, I gotta go
Speaker 1: about all this shit again. I actually think that's when
Speaker 1: I was there. That's when you was there. I think
Speaker 1: I heard about it. That's when I sucked up everything.
Speaker 1: So you was just fucking wild. And I had a
Speaker 1: good time off the shrooms before I got home, right,
Speaker 1: I had a great time before I got home. The
Speaker 1: worst part about shrooms is like if something, if you
Speaker 1: could be feeling great and like I've had my girl
Speaker 1: press me while I'm tripping out of town and it
Speaker 1: just like melts my brain and just make me talk
Speaker 1: too much and make me cry too much. That's what.
Speaker 1: They definitely don't make you cry. What do you cry? Like?
Speaker 1: What is it? Because you just think you think about
Speaker 1: everything and it just I'm just like, I'm emotion of them.
Speaker 1: I'm a scirpyough yeah, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I don't really I don't really cry a lot, but
Speaker 1: I do cry, like you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: if I get off the mushroom and I get emotional,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let that shit out. Have you ever done?
Speaker 1: I might be talking to one of my peoples and
Speaker 1: just break down. I just saw one of my friends,
Speaker 1: baby Joe. I ain't seen him in a while, and
Speaker 1: I was on mushrooms and I just looked at him
Speaker 1: and I started crying. I was like, I fucking love you, bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want you to know, like I really love you
Speaker 1: when I say that, shit dog, they make you so happy,
Speaker 1: like they make you nice hate people. Have you smoked
Speaker 1: a d MT? I don't smoke on What is that? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: you gotta fuck with that. That's that ship. Mike Tyson
Speaker 1: and Joe Rogan be doing. See Mike Tyson get too high.
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson a real stone, right, Mike Tyson booked three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta go on history like Tyson. The dopest DMT
Speaker 1: is like a It's like a chemical that your body
Speaker 1: produces twice. There's like a gland right here and produces
Speaker 1: it when you're born and when you're dead, when you die.
Speaker 1: So there's smoke that. There's a frog that sweats it.
Speaker 1: So you you smoke it in the like it's crack headish, right, fat.
Speaker 1: So you have to freebase it to get the best experience, right,
Speaker 1: and you just go away for fifteen minutes and you're
Speaker 1: going You're in like a different dimension. What kind of
Speaker 1: experience you had? I haven't done it. Yeah, I'm scared,
Speaker 1: I do badly. I will. I will do it one day,
Speaker 1: I'll be ready. You've done it. Oh yeah, you just
Speaker 1: you liked it? Oh, man? And I see so I
Speaker 1: had burned on whippets like that whips. Oh no, whippets
Speaker 1: are crazy, Jesus. I was the first person doing the
Speaker 1: whips in the drink. Did you stop? Yeah? Just I
Speaker 1: couldn't breathe, like I smashed curves off this like that
Speaker 1: ship was so the whippets are like because I've had
Speaker 1: rappers come in with those boxes of whippets. Yo, I
Speaker 1: had rappers come in with the boxes of the whippets.
Speaker 1: And right before that, I mean I'm talking canisters just
Speaker 1: all over the ground. That was you, that was me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what that is because it's a quick it's like quick
Speaker 1: and it goes away. So you got to get get there. Man.
Speaker 1: I remember one day I went to drop my man's
Speaker 1: off at home. I dropped them off to the crib
Speaker 1: and I never left the creer like he went in.
Speaker 1: I never pulled off. I stayed this, man, I was
Speaker 1: all night. There was so many steever cans. I was
Speaker 1: saying in the morning, it was crazy. What made you stop? Man?
Speaker 1: Because they I couldn't. They was like fucking my breathing up.
Speaker 1: I couldn't form, I couldn't really perform myfuck me, and
Speaker 1: this shit was just like stupid. Man, Yes, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like a nineteen nineties, two thousand and one drug.
Speaker 1: So I used to ride around with the tank though,
Speaker 1: with the balloons and shit, holy shit, my escalator over, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have a party business, you know. I never
Speaker 1: knew that that shit was illegal. I never knew that. Like,
Speaker 1: nobody never told me, like you can't ride around with
Speaker 1: a tank of helium and your girl. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that either. Well, hey, guys, you you learned a lot
Speaker 1: in this interview. I never knew that. I swear, I said, boy,
Speaker 1: if you would have got caught with this, you'd be fucked.
Speaker 1: Fuck man, Well, allegedly you had it in your car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Pz's in the building. Appreciate you for pulling up. Man.
Speaker 1: I't aford to doing this again in La at my place.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to La Man, Los Angeles. We'll be there.
Speaker 1: You did, yes, sir, appreciate you, Yes, sir. Boom