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Speaker 1: People are their own worst enemy in that they're harvesting

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Speaker 1: that year that they want just a year or two

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Speaker 2: We are back with another episode of Back forty Podcasts,

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Speaker 2: or hunting properties here in the US. And this week

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Speaker 2: we're diving into another topic. We all want to get

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Speaker 2: better every season. We want to just incrementally get a

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Speaker 2: little better. And this is rooted to get the expert

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Speaker 2: panels to share something that maybe you're going to overlook

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Speaker 2: this season unless you listen to this episode. And it's

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Speaker 2: the biggest mistake hunters make from being good to great.

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Speaker 2: And each guest has a different little take a different

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Speaker 2: perspective on this. And I think that by the time

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Speaker 2: you listen to this year, you're going to be able

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Speaker 2: to take eight different things more than likely to have

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Speaker 2: your season hopefully go a little bit better. And I

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Speaker 2: often wonder you're finding success. You're you know, you're shooting

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Speaker 2: good deer having good luck and he just wanted to

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Speaker 2: get better. We're ready to dive into our expert panels

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Speaker 2: without further ado. Let's get into the earning question and

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Speaker 2: whytail dilemma for this week on back forty. First off,

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Speaker 2: we have Jeff Sturgist to share what he believes keeps

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Speaker 2: good hunters from being great. Here we go.

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Speaker 3: You know, and I could see once you hit that

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Speaker 3: private land set up, it's more in maintenance mode. Your

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Speaker 3: public land hunting is scouting and verifying. There's some things

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Speaker 3: you look at there. But I really feel like that

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Speaker 3: to be a part of that five percent club less

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Speaker 3: is more. I think one of the things that you

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Speaker 3: can buck tradition on is in not fall for a

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Speaker 3: lot of honisms out there, and one of the big

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Speaker 3: ones that has kept a lot of people back that

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Speaker 3: has been a quote tried and true huntism for decades

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Speaker 3: and decades is you can't kill him from the couch

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Speaker 3: and firm believe. I wrote an article a long time

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Speaker 3: think I was flanked by a couple one hundred and

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Speaker 3: sixty five hundred and seventy inch bucks that shot the

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Speaker 3: year before by sitting, you know, one time for you know,

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Speaker 3: six times for per buck, something like that, seven times

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Speaker 3: per buck. But the point is that you can kill

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Speaker 3: them from the couch, and you do that by being patient.

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Speaker 3: And so there's one way to look at it is

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Speaker 3: you have this select spot on public land, it's a

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Speaker 3: everybody in there and that, and there's truth to that,

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying there's not certain really high pressure

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Speaker 3: to go, throw all cautions to the wind. You're going

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Speaker 3: to that best spot. I don't choose to hunt those areas.

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Speaker 3: If it's high competition like that, likely there's not a

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Speaker 3: mature buck there to begin with. If there's that many

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Speaker 3: a spot that had fewer deer, maybe less sign even

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Speaker 3: in some of those areas out in Ohio public Land

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Speaker 3: And have tons of sign and see a lot of

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Speaker 3: people knowing the mature boxer three quarters a mile away.

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Speaker 3: So I like going to those areas where those there's

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Speaker 3: not that pressure anyways. But then once you find those areas,

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Speaker 3: being more of a tactician using the weather is critical

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Speaker 3: out there, scientific movement studies that'll show that, well, deer

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Speaker 3: just move consistently in the morning in the afternoon. I

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Speaker 3: Not they don't get up and brows, but they're not

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Speaker 3: Those factors together, temperature change, extremes of temperature, extremes of winds,

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Speaker 3: to me, you can predict when there's going to be

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Speaker 3: decent times to hunt when there's not. Now, maybe you

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Speaker 2: But even then you can.

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Speaker 3: Make wise choices on stand selection and save your best stands,

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Speaker 3: have a three day weekend and your boss will let

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Speaker 3: I shot a lot of bucks on a common lease

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Speaker 3: I shared with a friend of mine. I shot twice

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Speaker 3: He was a really good hunter. He shot a lot

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Speaker 3: He shot some monsters. But on that lease that we shared,

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Speaker 3: I would let him pick his stand first out of

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Speaker 3: always search for not our favorite stand, not even both

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Speaker 3: some of your favorites, yeah they'll pay off here and there.

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Speaker 3: But if you want to be in that five percent

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Speaker 3: And oftentimes that is on that property. Over that same

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Speaker 2: There you have it. That's what Jeff has to say.

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Speaker 2: I think fallen into hunting isms that can often be

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Speaker 2: worked for Jeff over the years. Next we have Don Higgins.

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Speaker 2: Here's what he has to say. This is the biggest

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Speaker 2: mistake from good hunters to great hunters. What is it?

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Speaker 2: That's easy?

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Speaker 5: I think that there's a lot of deer hunters out

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Speaker 5: they have got so good and so proficient at killing

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Speaker 5: they cannot change what they're doing to kill the next

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Speaker 5: this has worked for me in the past. I just

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Speaker 5: need to keep doing it and eventually I will kill older,

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Speaker 5: bigger bucks. Well, older bigger bucks require a different set

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Speaker 5: guys that have become so successful at killing three and

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Speaker 5: habits and habits that they've got to break if they

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Speaker 5: whatever older bucks, because they're totally an animal. They played

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Speaker 5: by a totally different set of rules, and the hunter's

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Speaker 5: I can't tell you countless hunters that I consider good

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Speaker 5: hunters will never become great hunters because they just can't

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Speaker 2: How often do you have that conversation with someone that

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Speaker 2: sends you an email, reaches out, runs into you at

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Speaker 2: a trade show or speaking event. They're like, don I

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Speaker 2: And then what's the reaction he say, well, you gotta

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Speaker 2: stop shooting good bucks? Are they do? They say? Good point,

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Speaker 2: I agree or no, I need to find different spot

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know another thing is I can tell

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Speaker 5: he's gonna be running down great hunters. He's going to

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Speaker 5: be making excuses. But for why does that guy always

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Speaker 5: shoot giants? Well, he he's got lots of money, and

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Speaker 5: he leases all this ground, he owns this great property.

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Speaker 5: And or in my case, they'll say he turns loose pennies.

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Speaker 5: I say that you've got a choice in life. And

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Speaker 5: it's not just with deer hunting. It's with a lot

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Speaker 5: of things. You can make excuses or you can find solutions.

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Speaker 5: And there's too many guys out there making excuses for

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Speaker 5: And maybe it's the place they're hunting. Maybe they need

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Speaker 5: finding places in other states, you know, like Iowa, Illinois, Ohio,

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Speaker 5: come to the Midwest where those giants exist, and even

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Speaker 5: at that, it might take years to find the right property,

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Speaker 5: the right situation. But you can make excuses why somebody

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Speaker 5: else is successful and you're not, or you can find

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Speaker 5: solutions to your own situation. And that separates good hunters

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Speaker 2: That's Don's take here on this. And I think there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of really good hunters and you heard it

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Speaker 2: from him. What kind of separates the pack, for lack

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Speaker 2: of a better way to say it, from being good

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Speaker 2: have skipsly on his take. What do you think is

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Speaker 2: the biggest mistake hunters make from being good to great?

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Speaker 2: They've killed noe on a five year period. They're shooting

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Speaker 2: some good bucks, and it's human nature. People want to

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Speaker 2: do better, constantly improved, and so wherever they're at in

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Speaker 2: the country and whatever their standards are, they would identify

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Speaker 2: as good, but they want to be great. What's the

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Speaker 6: Back trigger management and discipline. I would say most people

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Speaker 6: can't do it well. I've shot one sixties that are

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Speaker 6: five year olds, and I really do want to shoot

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Speaker 6: a giant buck. Okay, then that means that next time

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Speaker 6: And usually when guys are like, I have a giant farm,

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Speaker 6: I can't do all that stuff. It's like, how much

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Speaker 2: It's just going to take a lot of time.

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Speaker 6: And there's a lot of details to this stuff, a

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Speaker 2: Well, what are those details? How do I do them?

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Speaker 6: It just takes time that you naturally acquire some every

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Speaker 2: You did some really dumb things. Let's fix this, let's

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Speaker 6: You know, good hunters are constantly evolving and learning new

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Speaker 2: After listening to that, you probably realize there's a lot

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Speaker 1: Sure is, you know, if someone's looking at they're judging

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Speaker 1: But if you don't have one to hunt, just randomly

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Speaker 2: So they have some success, and you know, this panel

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Speaker 7: I'll just hunt better spots usually, you know. And I think, gosh,

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Speaker 7: you're trying to loose in some spots that I get on,

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Speaker 7: If you can learn, you know, the stuff we've been

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Speaker 2: It's been fun for me because that that answer has

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Speaker 7: you look around and see that these guys kill them

433
00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 7: two or each year, every other year or whatever. It's

434
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 7: like the commitment required to do that something that I'm

435
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 7: not really to make, you know, because for one reason

436
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 7: or another, they have the money, the energyar or whatever

437
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 7: is to make that happen. Nothing against their hunting skills.

438
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 7: I'm sure they're good hunters to but probably not really

439
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 7: that much better hunters than a lot of people. They

440
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 7: just are really good at finding these big deer. And

441
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 7: that's that's. That's the hunt before the hunt. If you

442
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 7: have to pick the which of those two hunts is

443
00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 7: the most important, it's the first one.

444
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 2: I think Bill has a really fair point on his

445
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 2: take here. You have to be realistic with your own work, schedule,

446
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 2: your own lifestyle, your own obligations, where you hunt, what

447
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 2: opportunities are there. And I think that's a very real

448
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:36,159
Speaker 2: way to look at it and put it. So I

449
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: appreciate Bill chiming in and giving his opinion. And the

450
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Speaker 2: next step we have, Bobby Kendall. Here we go.

451
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Speaker 8: I think that the number one thing that could take

452
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,399
Speaker 8: somebody from a good hunter to a great hunter is

453
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 8: the ability to think like a deer all throughout the year.

454
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 8: No matter what you're doing, you're always thinking from the

455
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 8: deer's perspective of what it is you're doing, and you

456
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 8: need to use use that information against him. So some

457
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 8: examples like it's it's so easy to watch videos nowadays

458
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 8: and learn to do all this stuff, use all these

459
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 8: tools in our our in our tool belt, you know,

460
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 8: switch grass and corn and all the different stuff you're planning,

461
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 8: and it's it's easy to go out there and and

462
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 8: and just throw it all out there. But if you

463
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 8: step back, there has to be a strategy behind it.

464
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 8: There has to be Do I have a plan for

465
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 8: this food to work in October? Do I have a

466
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 8: plan for this food to work in the summer? Do

467
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 8: I have a plan for it to work in November?

468
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,919
Speaker 8: Do I have a plan for it to work in

469
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 8: late season? Is it put out there in a way

470
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 8: that I'm going to get a shot and a bow

471
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 8: shot it fish quickly and efficiently. Because I'm playing the

472
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 8: odds game, he only might walk some many days in October.

473
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 8: I have to be able to get in there does

474
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 8: this location pull my thermals as well as the wind direction,

475
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 8: so I don't get screwed in October, you know, am

476
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 8: I do? I use a cent free box here because

477
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 8: it's an October spot to hedge against swirling winds and

478
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 8: and and you know, all that stuff in the month

479
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 8: of October because this is probably where he's going to

480
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 8: be in October, because he's going to be market territory.

481
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 8: So I can see him wanting to come down that line.

482
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 8: So I'm gonna eliminate those scrape branches so he has

483
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 8: to come here. Like always thinking reverse engineering everything from

484
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 8: the way that a big deer thinks all the way

485
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 8: to when you're picking your tree stand locations. I think

486
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 8: good hunters can identify the spots and they can plant

487
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 8: the stuff, but they when it comes time to picking

488
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 8: what stand to be at that day, they're not thinking,

489
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 8: like a deer, well where is he going to be

490
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 8: today because of the wind direction and he's using his

491
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 8: nose to look for doze or you know. Uh, as

492
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 8: you get into the end of October and into November,

493
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 8: there's all these micro phases or date phase mindset, there's

494
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 8: all these mindset shifts, and so when you have the

495
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 8: ability to think like a deer and be ahead of them,

496
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 8: you know, Like I call October twenty eighth boomerang phase,

497
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 8: and I think it's a little phase that happens where

498
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 8: all these mature bucks kind of have their territory that

499
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 8: they're marking, and then right around the twenty eighth you'll

500
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 8: see them boomeranging out of their core and overlapping into

501
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 8: other deer within the same age class. And so if

502
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 8: you know that, you can be like, well, I haven't

503
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 8: got his picture here, but you know, it makes sense

504
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,400
Speaker 8: that he's going to show up here now because we're.

505
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: At that phase.

506
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 8: And as these faces change, you're ahead of it because

507
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 8: some of them are so short window like that, that's

508
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 8: a fairly short window before his mindset changes to territory

509
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 8: marking to actually does.

510
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing is seems almost more instinctual.

511
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's instinctual, but it's like also like.

512
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: Common sense, like, but most people don't think that way.

513
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 8: Yeah. I think if you take a step back and

514
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 8: maybe we do a podcast on this and think and

515
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 8: just like dive into the mindset of a buck through

516
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 8: the deer.

517
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: Season, if you're behind.

518
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 8: I've heard people say, you know, if you're if you're

519
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 8: doing what you see on the trail came a week

520
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 8: ago or two weeks ago, especially in November stuff, you're

521
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 8: too late, it's already happened, which is right, But on

522
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 8: the flip side of that, you need to know where

523
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 8: to be ahead of him as we change, you know,

524
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 8: so the season almost very systematic. Like for me anyway,

525
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 8: like I have a plan and it's like I don't

526
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 8: even care it's today and now I'm gonna be doing

527
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 8: this type thing, Like it's November twenty eight. Their mindset is,

528
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 8: oh my god, I just lost, you know, however much weight,

529
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 8: and I'm about to die because it's getting really cold

530
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 8: tomorrow like that, November twenty is my date. Like that's

531
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 8: when their mindset kind of changes. So, you know, I like,

532
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 8: I feel there's something about wet standing soybeans in October,

533
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 8: Like it might be one of they're less desirable food sources,

534
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 8: but on a really rainy, soaker of a day, you

535
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 8: might have every deer on your farm in in October.

536
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 2: So it's like thinking, like a deer which is a

537
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: really hot tip. That's a really hot tip. Oh yeah,

538
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: that happened right down the road here, it's a really

539
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 2: hot tip. Yeah, happen right down the road here. So

540
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: I mean to summarize, it's it's a good good from great.

541
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 8: A deer and not just doing all this stuff we

542
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 8: all do now, like there's you know, you might go

543
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 8: to you might knock that out.

544
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: I'm right or wrong.

545
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 8: Everybody does it different, but like you might come out

546
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,919
Speaker 8: to my place and see how it's set up and

547
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 8: be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. But in my mind,

548
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 8: like I mean, it's everything is done to like to

549
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 8: an exact for an exact reason. But yeah, just thinking

550
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 8: like a deer and having a plan for the whole

551
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 8: season and then using his mindset against him, you know,

552
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 8: instead of like we have a logging division obviously, instead

553
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 8: of just and it's all situational because as I'm saying this,

554
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 8: this is the south facing hillside that we log the

555
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 8: heck out of, But it's because of some strategic things

556
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 8: we got going on down here that makes it so huntable.

557
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 8: You don't need to go up in there. But if

558
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 8: you've got a big wooded farm and you can't do

559
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 8: a bunch of food, maybe further east or something Kentucky

560
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 8: instead of just clear cutting the whole farm. Maybe you

561
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 8: select cut it, but you take areas, go scout, see

562
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 8: where the deer are already betting on whatever knobs, Identify

563
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 8: a tree for that wind relative to the betting area

564
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 8: somewhere you can kind of get in there and then

565
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 8: stand there in the beds and look up at the

566
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 8: sky and south sky, and just mark those trees and

567
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 8: just open the light in to puff on that betting spot.

568
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 8: And then when that thickens and the rest of it's

569
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 8: not thick and he goes looking for does, now you

570
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 8: have connect the dots. So now when he goes and

571
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 8: he's looking for does, when he goes to that thicket

572
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 8: that's only a tenth of an acre, he's not gonna walk.

573
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 8: Before he could just cruise by fifty yards down the

574
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 8: hill because it was easier walking and just look over there.

575
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 8: But now when he gets there, or if there's even

576
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 8: like when I'm picking a tree a stand spot, like

577
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 8: if there's a tree top that naturally fell down, I

578
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 8: might get down into that tree top, even though it

579
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 8: might make more sense to be in a tree right

580
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 8: over here, because in the rut, when he goes there,

581
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 8: he's gonna come on this side of that tree that

582
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 8: he can't see into to smell for dough, and same

583
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 8: thing on those little thickets. So you got these connected dots,

584
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 8: and when he goes, he's most likely going to be

585
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 8: on the down side of that little thicket so he

586
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 8: can smell in it. And you've already reversed engineer by

587
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 8: the way he's thinking. So back to the original question,

588
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 8: is always thinking like a deer, always reverse engineering, whether

589
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 8: you're hunting ground that you cannot do any manipulation and

590
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 8: you're just you versus him and you're scouting and you know,

591
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 8: I still love doing that, or if you're go crazy

592
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 8: over the top with development, it still works most efficiently

593
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 8: when it's reverse engineer from the way a big deer

594
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 8: is going to use it in a way that you

595
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 8: have a plan for the whole season.

596
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: That's Bobby's opinion on this question. Appreciate him sharing it,

597
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: and we have up next Thomas Mills Nutt. So, what

598
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 2: do you think is the biggest mistake that keeps hunters

599
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: from going from good to great? In your own opinion?

600
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, there could be a lot of things, right, and

601
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 9: like you said, you have to define your own success

602
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 9: so that ultimately might dictate what that thing is, but

603
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 9: on a general skill from my experience what I see

604
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 9: across the board, and something I constantly preach and coach

605
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 9: to clients. It's all about thinking ahead, right, you know,

606
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 9: planning long term, long term mindset versus all a short term.

607
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 9: One thing I say to clients frequently is you can't

608
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 9: kill great deer if you kill good deer. And that's

609
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 9: kind of this long term thinking, this mindset of right

610
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 9: now isn't as important as what can build to the future. So,

611
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 9: you know, I always say every year's a building year.

612
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 9: I've said that before, right, every year's building year. Ever

613
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 9: years a building year. If you kill all the good dear,

614
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 9: or you just keep on settling for whatever level you're at,

615
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 9: you're never going to achieve the next level, you know.

616
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 9: And again there's a lot of different variations of that.

617
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 9: Sometimes it's pushing yourself out of your comfort zone. It's

618
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 9: really easy to get comfortable hunting the same few stands,

619
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 9: hunting the same way you do, and being content with

620
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 9: a certain level or quality of animals that you're harvesting.

621
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 9: But ultimately, if you approach a season or habitat, project

622
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 9: or land management, whatever, might be thinking every year's a

623
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 9: building year.

624
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: Every year's a building year.

625
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 9: And also don't fall into this pressure where you feel

626
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 9: like you have to just tag that buck and move on.

627
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 9: Then things start to build up and with that patience, right,

628
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 9: we hear that all the time. Impatience is a virtue,

629
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 9: but it's true across the board, from habitat development to

630
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 9: sitting in the tree stand and holding out for that

631
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 9: higher caliber gear. If you have that patience, it doesn't

632
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 9: take that long really for things to build up, to

633
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 9: level up to Now you're operating at this completely different

634
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 9: level and a different mindset, and I think that's what

635
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 9: it takes. You know, it's just that patience in general,

636
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 9: and passing up a mediocre season or a good season. Right.

637
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 4: I guess it's all relative.

638
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: Right.

639
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 9: I might look at it and say it's mediocre. You

640
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 9: might look at it and say that's a really good

641
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 9: season for you. A few years of that and then

642
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 9: it's time to level up. But being willing to pass

643
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 9: up certain opportunities to level up and with that push

644
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 9: yourself out of the comfort zone, you know, back to

645
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 9: that comfort zone thing. Understanding when to be aggressive is

646
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 9: probably a big part of that. But I think more

647
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 9: than anything else, it's being patient and focusing on the

648
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 9: fact that every year is a building year, especially in

649
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 9: this game, right hunting, We hear us all time, hunting

650
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 9: is conservation. Hunting is conservation. If we want to be conservationists,

651
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 9: that we need to be thinking long term. Right, So

652
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,479
Speaker 9: it's not so much that's happening this year. What can

653
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 9: I do to get better this year. I don't have

654
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 9: to fill my tag every year. Long term mindset that

655
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 9: to me shift at my perspective or or maybe increase

656
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 9: my maturity level as a hunter, and I raise my

657
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,479
Speaker 9: standards and that just becomes the new normal. Right then

658
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 9: you're just operating at a different level. You know, there's

659
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 9: a lot of different things that go into being a

660
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 9: great hunter, though, right You know, your level of observation,

661
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 9: the time that you put in all of these things

662
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 9: are going to dictate your sess in the long run.

663
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 9: And all of that goes hand in hand with pulling

664
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 9: the trigger too soon. If you if you settle for

665
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 9: something that's less than great, then you're not investing the

666
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 9: time to become great essentially, right, So, you know, settling

667
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 9: for good isn't always the worst thing, but that takes

668
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 9: away from the time invested in becoming great. And you know,

669
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 9: the same goes with shooting a good deer versus a

670
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 9: great deer. Giving that deer time to mature and express

671
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 9: its full potential. That levels you up. So you know,

672
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 9: there's yeah, there's a lot there. It's all relative. You

673
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 9: know what, how do you define a great hunter versus

674
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 9: a good hunter? Again, it's all really relative. But I

675
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 9: really think patience and just thinking long term is the

676
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 9: biggest factor involved.

677
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,240
Speaker 2: Do you think it really boils down to the fear

678
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: of failure. There's another way to look at that too, Yeah,

679
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 2: very much.

680
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 9: So you know, I don't know exactly how that quote goes,

681
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 9: but there's never it's not a failure if you learn

682
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 9: from it, right, And I think that's a huge part

683
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 9: of hunting is everything is a learning opportunity at life

684
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 9: in general. Right, you can look at it as a

685
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 9: failure or look at look at it as a learning experience.

686
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 9: So again, making more aggressive moves or being patient. Yeah,

687
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 9: there's going to be seasons. I've certainly had seasons. Not

688
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 9: that long ago, I passed up a one hundred and

689
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 9: what turned out to be one hundred and sixty two

690
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 9: inch nine pointer that had a thirteen inch brow time. Right,

691
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 9: I passed it up because I was after a different deer.

692
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 9: That was a learning experience, right, I've probably I should

693
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 9: have capitalized on that.

694
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: I ate my tag that.

695
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 9: Year, but I had a really good season and I

696
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 9: ended up learning a whole lot more about the deer

697
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 9: I was chasing, which led to, you know, subsequent years

698
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 9: of success based on that intel that I collected.

699
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: And really again it leveled me up.

700
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 9: It changed my perspective on how it hunted the property,

701
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 9: which equaled a lot more long term success. That wouldn't

702
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 9: have happened if I would have pulled the trigger and

703
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 9: killed that deer and tagged out when I had the opportunity.

704
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 9: So it really does come back to that patient side

705
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 9: of things, you know, and again thinking long term.

706
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any shortcut to becoming great?

707
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 4: No, No, there isn't.

708
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 9: I mean, in this digital age, this information age.

709
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 4: I see this a lot.

710
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 9: You know, I'll end up on a property and someone

711
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 9: will pair it certain concepts that they get off a

712
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 9: YouTube or from other professionals or other influencers, and it's

713
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 9: good information, but you don't really ever understand what's applicable

714
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 9: to your situation. Until you either age, try to apply

715
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 9: it or be experience a situation where it's necessary. Right,

716
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 9: So you can soak up a lot of information, but

717
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 9: until you actually go out and get some experience invest

718
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 9: the time in it, you don't really know what's going

719
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 9: to work for your situation or not. So again, a

720
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 9: lot of that is learning through failure, and failure is

721
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 9: the best teacher, right. We hear that all the time,

722
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 9: You've heard it since we were little kids.

723
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 4: Failures.

724
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 9: You know, I just came from a client property and

725
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 9: we were talking about random scenarios, and you know, one

726
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 9: of the scenarios we were discussing was injuring a deer. Right, Like,

727
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 9: you make a bad shot on a deer. If you're

728
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 9: a good hunter or you know, good or great doesn't matter,

729
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 9: but if you're a moral, responsible hunter, you should feel

730
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 9: really bad if you make a bad shot on deer.

731
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 9: It's inevitably going to happen to anyone who bohunts, right,

732
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 9: But that pain sticks with you a long time, and

733
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 9: the next time that opportunity comes up where it's a

734
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 9: marginal shot, you're either a going to have practiced a

735
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 9: lot more with your bow through the off season and

736
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 9: be more confident to make that shot, or b you're

737
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 9: just not going to take that shot, right. That's a

738
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 9: result of that experience or that pain that came with

739
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 9: a prior failure. So I think that there's a lot,

740
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 9: like I said, a lot that comes with those failures

741
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 9: in general.

742
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 4: But it's not that straightforward. You have to live it.

743
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: You can't just jump. You know.

744
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 4: One of the things I say frequently too.

745
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 9: You know, you said your goal is high, but think

746
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 9: about climbing a set of stairs or climbing a ladder

747
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 9: to get there, because you can't just jump straight up

748
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 9: and obtain that goal. And if you can, maybe you

749
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 9: can hang on for a short period of time, but

750
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 9: it's not sustainable, right, So you have to work your

751
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 9: way up to achieve that level of greatness.

752
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: Any any one like a one liner for someone to

753
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 2: go from good to grade to remember as it's October

754
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 2: or November and they're like, man, I remember when Thomas said,

755
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: remember this?

756
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 9: I mean the thing that I say, I repeat it

757
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 9: quite a bit to clients. And I guess the reason

758
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 9: I do this is because I do have a lot

759
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 9: of clients that are good hunters. You know, a lot

760
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 9: of clients are good hunters, but they're looking to take

761
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 9: it to that next level. And again, like I said previously,

762
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 9: you cannot kill great.

763
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 2: Deer if you kill good deer.

764
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 9: So if you're always going out and settling for a

765
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 9: certain age class of deer, you're either a not letting

766
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 9: those deer mature. Or if there are older age classes

767
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 9: or higher quality of deer, higher caliber of deer in

768
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 9: the area on the property, then you're not doing things

769
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 9: to give yourself an opportunity to kill those deer because

770
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 9: you're settling for the other deer. And that might be

771
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 9: you know, again, there's a variety of ways that you

772
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 9: can accomplish that. It might be through habitat improvement, through

773
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 9: manipulating movement on your property to increase opportunity. It might

774
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 9: be just that patience factor, right, holding off for it,

775
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 9: or just being a better hunter.

776
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: Right.

777
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 9: I mean, it's a lot easier to kill a three

778
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 9: year old deer than it is to kill a six

779
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 9: year old deer. So a lot of people are going

780
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 9: to settle for a three year old deer versus waiting

781
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 9: out for a six year old deer.

782
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 4: Now, every situation is different.

783
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 9: I might have a busy life, family at home and

784
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 9: I have a very small amount time to hunt, so

785
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 9: I need to go out and capitalize on that opportunity.

786
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 9: No one's here, at least I'm not here to judge

787
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 9: that person, right, But if you're constantly killing that quality

788
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 9: of deer, that caliber of deer, you're never going to

789
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 9: achieve the next level unless it's bite pure luck. So

790
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 9: you know, incrementally gaining confidence, incrementally gaining skills, all those

791
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 9: things come with repetition and experience, time invested into the process,

792
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 9: and learning through both failures and success along the way.

793
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: Thomas is a guy that continues to get better every year,

794
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: it seems like. And that's his perspective. And last, but

795
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 2: not least, we have wire to hunt. Resident post Mark

796
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 2: Kenyon on his opinion for this question. Okay, you're having

797
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: a lot of good seasons, just good, good, God man,

798
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm getting one percent better. But I

799
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: want to make a big jump. I want to become great.

800
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: I want to start killing my target buck. I want

801
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: to start stao stepping this progression of a white tail

802
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: deer hunter, a serious whitetail deer hunter. What do you

803
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 2: think keeps most hunters at good versus great?

804
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 10: There's as you were asking that question, I had like

805
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 10: three or four different things all pop off my mind.

806
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 4: There's so many different things that can.

807
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 10: Be that like barrier to breaking through the threshold, I

808
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 10: think one of the obvious ones.

809
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 4: But it's like, it's not sexy, and it's something that

810
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 4: so many people.

811
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 10: Talk about over and over and over again that maybe

812
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 10: it becomes annoying or you lose out you stopped hearing

813
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 10: it because it's been said so many times.

814
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 4: But truly, when I made the shift from.

815
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 10: You know, kind of just like coasting until actually focusing

816
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 10: on all of the little things, like when you really

817
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 10: become detail oriented, when you really are willing to not

818
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 10: take shortcuts, when you are really willing to start caring

819
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 10: about all the little things, those small improvements all steck

820
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 10: up in a really, really really big way and eventually

821
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 10: to killing becoming great. Like That's that's the unsexy answer,

822
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 10: is that it's not any one thing. It's taking everything serious.

823
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 10: It's doing all the little things right. It's putting in

824
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 10: that work throughout the entire year or as much of

825
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 10: the year as you possibly can. That is the stuff

826
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 10: that all adds up. But it's it's you know, when

827
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 10: somebody hears that. It's hard to just be like, Okay,

828
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 10: I'm gonna press that button and all of a sudden

829
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 10: that's gonna work.

830
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 4: Right. That doesn't do it.

831
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 10: There's not an easy button, there's not a silver bullet.

832
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: But I do think that's the case.

833
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 10: Now, there are other like shifts or like mindset shifts

834
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 10: that can really help. Like something we talked about the

835
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 10: other day that really helped me was really looking at

836
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 10: the year as a full calendar and how everything changes

837
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 10: on a day to date basis, and how you need

838
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 10: to change your hunting season throughout to follow along with that.

839
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 10: So it's having like a calendar for your year and

840
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 10: really thinking about how you hunt differently at every time

841
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 10: of the year, and how you apply pressure to your

842
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 10: property at different times of the year. All that really helps.

843
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 10: That helps me a lot. I think another thing that

844
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 10: really could actually change somebody's success in a dramatic way,

845
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 10: and interestingly would not even require them to become a

846
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 10: better hunter, but could change their success would be simply

847
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 10: get more access if you had more places to hunt.

848
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 10: And so much of what people have success, like the

849
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 10: deer they kill, is determined by the properties.

850
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: They hunt, the places that they hunt.

851
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 10: There are and I don't mean this to offend anyone,

852
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 10: but there are a lot of people with a ton

853
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 10: of big deer in the wall that are much worse hunters,

854
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 10: worse quote unquote hunters then people who have way fewer

855
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 10: deer on the wall. Simply the only difference is where

856
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 10: they hunt. One person hunts in one state, one person

857
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 10: huntsing the other. Or one person has a thousand acre

858
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 10: family farm and one person's been trying to scrap together

859
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 10: tens and thirties and forties by door knocking. That can

860
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 10: make a huge difference, a monstrous difference. So that alone,

861
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 10: if you simply put in time to get access to

862
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 10: new places in more places, that could totally change your trajectory.

863
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 10: And honestly, that's a big part of my story in

864
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 10: that when I started, I started deer hunting a forty

865
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 10: acre piece in northern Michigan that was surrounded by public

866
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 10: and that's all I knew for years up until my

867
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 10: late teens. That's what I did. And there was four

868
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 10: keys and six pointers and a year and a half folds.

869
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 10: If you saw a two year old, it was the

870
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 10: biggest buck anyone'd seen in three years. So growing up

871
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 10: with that context and with that opportunity set, the success

872
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 10: I could have was incredibly limited. And by being stuck

873
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,399
Speaker 10: in that box, not only was my opportunities to kill

874
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 10: deer limited, but also my opportunities to learn were limited.

875
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 4: And so that's that's this other thing.

876
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 10: If you add new access, if you get new permissions,

877
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 10: or you scout me public land, or you buy a

878
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 10: farm or whatever it is, you do two things. Number One,

879
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 10: you increase your opportunities because you might have a better

880
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 10: place now and right there, like instantly, all of a sudden,

881
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 10: you're a better hunter because you have deer to hunt,

882
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 10: or bigger deer to hunt, or older deer to hunt.

883
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 10: But then by hunting new places, that is one of

884
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 10: the absolute fastest ways to learn and to get better.

885
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 10: And so you're achieving two things in the same single decision.

886
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 10: You are increasing your opportunities and instantly having new learning opportunities.

887
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 10: That's going to help you become a better and better

888
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 10: and better heart. So I think if you do that

889
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 10: while also having this commitment to doing the things, the

890
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 10: little things right, if you do those two things, you

891
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 10: have a strong opportunity to move up towards a great hunter.

892
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 10: Those are the first two things that can online. I

893
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 10: think there's a thousand different things we could talk about.

894
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 10: I'm sure there's people who said something like, wow, you're

895
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 10: not gonna be a great hunter if you shoot good deer,

896
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 10: or there's gonna be people who say, you know, I

897
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 10: don't know. There's a thousand different ways you could take this,

898
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 10: and I'm very interested to hear what everybody else said.

899
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 10: But I think those two things in tandem could make

900
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 10: could break people through the glass ceiling, take to the

901
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 10: nuxt level. Very simple and not like profound, I guess,

902
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 10: but those two things could absolutely change the success that

903
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 10: anybody's having.

904
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's and that was another reason I asked this

905
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: question because there's a lot of different answers, and once again,

906
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: it could be dependent on all the different things that

907
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: every white tail hunter faces, whether it's access challenges or

908
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: I mean, the list goes on and on if you

909
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: want to go from good to great. And I think

910
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 2: that people inherently just want to get better, and so

911
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: maybe the goal here was is that what's one little

912
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: thing that I could just get a little better at

913
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 2: to get Maybe I'm just okay, maybe I'm really bad,

914
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,959
Speaker 2: and I want to be okay and good and stare

915
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 2: step it up. But this was there was a wide

916
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: variety of answers, and I think if someone's listening into

917
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: this once again, it's applying number one, being real with

918
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: yourself and number two is it am I disciplined? Am

919
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,439
Speaker 2: I putting in the effort? Because I think it's easy

920
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: to say, well, I could kill those deer if I

921
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 2: had the same access, And I think, well, if that's

922
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: the case, and you aspire for those goals, then you

923
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: have to do things in order to have those opportunities.

924
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: And they're probably right. If they didn't have the opportunity

925
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: to hunt here like that, I think they would be successful.

926
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 2: And I think that's uh, you know, we're here in

927
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: Iowa right now, and last night we were have people

928
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 2: move here because they're so ate up with this to

929
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to have a great deal. And I

930
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: think that, you know, I think the what is great,

931
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: what is a great deal, and what is a great

932
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: hunter might be completely different. Maybe a great hunter means

933
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: that you introduced twenty new people to hunting, and you

934
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: were a great mentor and you taught them a lot

935
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: of great things. And then twenty years later, all those

936
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: twenty great hunters, we turn into great hunters. And so

937
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of really interesting ways to

938
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: look at this, and hopefully this is inspiring everyone to

939
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 2: challenge themselves just to get a little bit better this fall,

940
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: take mental notes and discontinuing to enjoy this season and

941
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: not have any added pressure. Next week, we're diving into

942
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: something that people are in panic mode. We're getting into

943
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: mid August. Now. They listen to the first episode, they

944
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: hung their cameras and they're like, man, I don't have

945
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 2: any deer on camera, and we're going to dive into

946
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: what to do when you haven't found a deer yet.

947
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 2: There you guys have I hope you guys enjoyed this

948
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: episode and maybe it opened your eyes, maybe you took

949
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: a quick look in the mirror. I know I did.

950
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: It's like, man, I can definitely do better at some

951
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: of these things. And that's the purpose of this episode

952
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: to find the things that make folks that seemingly have

953
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: great seasons every single year. What are they doing differently

954
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: and how can I emulate that? And maybe that's doing more,

955
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 2: maybe that's doing less. It just completely depends on what

956
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: your circumstances are, and next week we have the next dilemma.

957
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 2: More than likely there's been a big buck pictures floating

958
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: around and the question is I can't find a buck

959
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 2: to hunt now what? So that's what we have next week.

960
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: I hope you guys tune in for another round of

961
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: this expert panel as we're getting closer and closer to

962
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: deer season, and each week we're going to keep chipping

963
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 2: away at some of these issues, some of these dilemmas

964
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: that we all face as we're building up to deer seasons.

965
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: So we'll see it