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Speaker 4: You know what that music reminded me of? When we

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Speaker 4: did our playoff show.

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Speaker 2: Oh we didn't do any Oh that that didn't happen

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Speaker 3: Welcome moving away, Yeah, coming in, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Doing away for thirty years.

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Speaker 3: And good afternoon. Peace.

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Speaker 4: It's up guys after combine, Yeah combine? How many is

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Speaker 4: this for us now?

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Speaker 5: But for you it's a few more than me. For me,

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Speaker 5: I think it's twenty third. My first one was oh one,

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Speaker 5: and then there wasn't one one year, but beyond that

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Speaker 5: and then everyone, I'm probably thank you started going ninety five.

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Speaker 4: Right ninety four, I think, yeah, so yeah you're twenty eight.

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Speaker 5: Maybe you're pushing thirty. Yeah, pushing seven, you're pushing thirty.

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Speaker 3: Change a whole lot.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it used to be in the Holiday inn

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Speaker 4: over there when we first started coming, and there were

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Speaker 4: about they bring players down and you did interview them

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Speaker 4: in the holiday in. I asked for him and they

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Speaker 5: Way when, amazingly enough, it was in one my first

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Speaker 5: There were no podium accesses in that room. It had

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Speaker 5: grown dramatically, my first one, and they didn't know they

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Speaker 5: had no GMS, no head coaches. I told the story

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Speaker 5: my only year covering for the newspaper because you had

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Speaker 5: left and I hadn't left yet. I spent all week

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Speaker 5: trying to find Coughlin, right, and I finally interviewed him.

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Speaker 5: He was coming out of Catholic Mass on Saturday evening,

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Speaker 5: and of course he sees me, he goes, oh, sure

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Speaker 5: you so. But that's the difference. You didn't have days

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Speaker 5: where you got your guys. You went around trying to

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Speaker 5: find your guys, and if you got him, you got

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Speaker 5: a little bit of news nugget and you wrote it.

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Speaker 5: But it wasn't like this press conference and and get

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Speaker 5: off my lawn.

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Speaker 4: JP, Right. They made it a lot easier, or.

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Speaker 5: Makes it easier now. Yes, it also sanitizes a little

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Speaker 5: bit where it's different, as it's all different, and I

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Speaker 5: know I a ton to get in the show, but

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Speaker 5: I kind of wonder, I think a theme for me

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Speaker 5: this week. I'm not sure this thing looks the same

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Speaker 5: in five years. I think it's going to decrease in

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Speaker 5: impact dramatically with coaches not coming. Yeah, and with you know,

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Speaker 5: Trent Balke's mentioned a couple of days ago with teams

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Speaker 5: using more GPS for timing and whatnot. The impact of

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Speaker 5: what you do on the field here. I think it's

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Speaker 5: gonna change. I'm not sure it's gonna be the big deal.

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Speaker 4: You know how I always felt about it. I always

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Speaker 4: thought that this was the most overrated thing going because

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Speaker 4: if the tape says something, why should this, Why should

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Speaker 4: this change the way you evaluate them based on what

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Speaker 4: they do. And I'll give you an example today. The

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Speaker 4: kid from Florida State, Braden Fisk, is a big time player.

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Speaker 4: When you watch his tape, he's all over the place

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Speaker 4: today ran four seven eight at three pounds. But forget

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Speaker 4: puts out of science because he's a good football, you know.

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Speaker 4: And so I think we get too caught up in

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Speaker 5: Well, and I think once to me, the fact that

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Speaker 5: the GPS numbers are coming in. Once they have something

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Speaker 5: else they can rely on that they don't have to

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Speaker 5: trust their judgment, right, But once they have something else

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Speaker 5: that on paper can say it, then I think they

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Speaker 5: it'll decrease in value. And if the coach that aren't coming,

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Speaker 4: This medicals, they don't have the workouts and everything, it's

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be different very sel and that's unique JP,

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Speaker 3: Shrinks, if anything, So.

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Speaker 5: It'll be interesting to see if they try to keep

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Speaker 5: it propped up by making coaches common talks shrunk well,

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Speaker 2: Well, for the coaches and gms that speak, this is

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Speaker 2: really the beginning of the twenty four off season.

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Speaker 3: And season ahead.

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Speaker 2: The league year begins March thirteenth, couple of weeks away,

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Speaker 2: but it's the first time you'll hear gms and coaches

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Speaker 2: going into this next season. So hearing Peterson and Balky

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Speaker 2: the other day, would you take away from their first

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they're being a little stubborn with the

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Speaker 5: I don't think they do. I think they're just sort

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Speaker 5: and I think they're not wanting to criticize their own

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Speaker 4: Hardy changes how many guys are starting from me from

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Speaker 4: that line that end of the year are starting next year.

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Speaker 3: Well, the math is the tackles, the tackles will play.

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Speaker 5: If to me the other day, unless I'm just completely

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Speaker 5: misreading it, Cam's coming back. That's what it sounded like.

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Speaker 5: That sounds like they want right we left.

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Speaker 4: It sounds like they want Cleveland too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I would think. I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 5: he's coming back. I'd be stunned. Not because he's a

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Speaker 5: bad player, no, but I think it's okay, right, But

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Speaker 5: if he had a smaller cap number, you could make

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Speaker 5: that work. I think the X factor is it's tough

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Speaker 4: I don't understand that.

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Speaker 4: Don't understand that. So look, you don't want to trash

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Speaker 4: they have to be. You can't get you can't get

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Speaker 5: So probably three stay the same three.

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Speaker 4: At the most. If they bring Cleveland back. If they

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Speaker 4: So the interior of the offensive line could all be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of change, that's all. But it needs

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Speaker 4: to be changed. It needs to happen. The quarterback was

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Speaker 4: sped up. He didn't trust the interior of the offensive line,

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Speaker 4: and because of that, he didn't play well. So it

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Speaker 4: has to change. You have to change the offensive line.

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Speaker 4: You have to get tougher. You gotta get nasty. There's

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Speaker 4: no nasty. Where's the nasty, right? I mean, you gotta

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Speaker 4: be nasty. You have to be Do you ever get

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Speaker 4: the feeling when you watch them that they're nasty? Violent?

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Speaker 3: There's a little cam Robinson had some of that.

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Speaker 4: He did.

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Speaker 5: and I think Anton can have it as he at

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Speaker 5: You gotta come out.

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Speaker 4: But you know you needed in the middle of that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to defense now, new defensive coordinator coming in,

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Speaker 2: and you know we'll see there's a lot of big

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Speaker 4: And they probably shouldn't have given out last year, but

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Speaker 4: the Roy robertson Harris Deel that that look you look

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Speaker 4: at it on paper right now, they probably wish they

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Speaker 4: didn't do that. I mean, that's the honest assessment of it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Devine's a tricky because and he played well enough

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Speaker 4: I think he was going to have a big year

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Speaker 4: because cover in camp he was dominant his back thing.

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Speaker 4: Then he had the back injury and he lost all

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Speaker 4: you're right, he gets the weight back, he'll be fine.

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Speaker 5: Right and then Fookasi see you. Yeah, it's a tough

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Speaker 5: one because it's not a glaring cap savings to do it,

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Speaker 5: But if you don't change something, then you're not changing anything.

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Speaker 5: So and they need to get better and then you.

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Speaker 4: Save about three or four million off of that, doesn't It.

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Speaker 5: Was Yeah, but you're still paying what ten million dead cap,

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Speaker 4: I'm paying somebody not to work. That might be the

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Speaker 5: It's uh, well it's the old thing. You've got to

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Speaker 5: get better on the interior. And if you stick with

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Speaker 4: And here's how they'll they'll just if they justified that,

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Speaker 4: they'd say, well, the cap savings on Photocosi, so we

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Speaker 4: kept them. H Hamilton's coming back off the injury, so

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Speaker 4: he'll be better, and Roy Roberts and Harris we pay him.

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Speaker 4: We can't do anything with them, So that's how they'll

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Speaker 4: justify it. They need I disagree. I think Photocosi needs

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Speaker 4: to go, and I think they need to get somebody

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Speaker 4: in there that's going to be a nasty, tough, physical player.

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Speaker 4: Particularly what are they gonna do playing four man front?

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Speaker 4: How do you play that?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: Right? That's what he plays, you know.

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Speaker 5: And if you do that, you can justify it because

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Speaker 5: if you do that, then you have to add and

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Speaker 5: you have to have more more bodies than what they've got,

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Speaker 5: so you can rotate.

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Speaker 4: Right, So I think I think they have to make changes.

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Speaker 2: Jaguars YouTube, JP Shaddick, John Oser and Pete Prisco and

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Speaker 2: it's time for keeping it real.

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Speaker 4: We always keep it real. We always do.

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Speaker 2: This though, is about the draft at number seventeen. If

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Speaker 2: you're picking today, the Jaguars are there at seventeen, They're

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Speaker 2: on the clock, trip, Balky's on the phone.

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Speaker 3: Who are they calling it?

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Speaker 4: What have I done in free agency? See?

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Speaker 5: That's what's hard to do that, especially first round. It

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Speaker 5: makes it hard. The rest of the draft.

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Speaker 4: You can sort of right, you can get around. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: of there's no elite guys, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, the one is better. I think

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Speaker 5: And Nate Wagan's is still there.

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Speaker 5: But I think, okay, I think you can go wrong.

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Speaker 4: Who plays corner.

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Speaker 3: You gotta have three Johnson.

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Speaker 4: I think he's going to be a starting safety.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I get I don't think Antonio as much of

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Speaker 4: He's a safety than he is, and I think he

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Speaker 5: I'd be kind of surprised if he doesn't start safety

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Speaker 4: So, I think he's the starting safety. So you can't

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Speaker 5: But then that brings up the issue we were talking

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Speaker 5: at seventeen this year, you're thinking that he's going to

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Speaker 5: does his skill set fit being a nickel for a year,

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Speaker 5: because nickel could be hard to play, right, and you

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Speaker 4: And you also and we know they tried that Williams

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Speaker 5: So yeah, it's not that it's not doable. It's just

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Speaker 4: See, I think you can get by if they can

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Speaker 4: I mean, Darius Williams played well last year, but that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit.

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Speaker 5: I think with Tyson the hamstring, you almost have to

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Speaker 5: It's almost like with Trevor, I have to trust that

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Speaker 4: You know, there's been talk of another pass rusher coming

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Speaker 4: hearing that, does that mean they're moving they're considering moving

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Speaker 4: Walker to defensive tackle, playing that four to three because

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Speaker 4: if he had If that's the case, then you need

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Speaker 4: and so you could get one of those guys in

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Speaker 4: ten and a half sacks last year, right, But he's

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Speaker 4: not a great edge rusher. He's just not. He's a

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Speaker 4: good tough football player, and I think inside he could

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Speaker 4: That's just me playing GM.

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Speaker 5: But is he not a good four to three and.

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Speaker 4: He's not a great pass rusher. He's a good four

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Speaker 4: to three. And because he's a good football player, he's

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Speaker 5: Kid, he plays hard. I think he's outstanding and I

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Speaker 4: A lot of those are coming on and like things

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Speaker 5: The end of last year. I thought Trayvon sacks were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got better. We got to get credit for that.

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Speaker 4: He got better. But I just think he could be

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Speaker 4: I think he could be Klais Campbell if he moved inside.

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Speaker 2: Final thoughts with Repete, I know you get a run.

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Speaker 2: Where are you on the Josh Allen and Calvin Ridley situation?

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Speaker 4: Make sure Josh Allen doesn't get out the building, you

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Speaker 4: have to and that means if that means a tag,

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Speaker 4: you tag him. I would try and get that done

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Speaker 4: and then work on Ridley. But I think Ridley wants

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Speaker 4: You could tell he didn't know the plays all the time.

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Speaker 4: He admitted that. I think in some interview after the season.

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Speaker 5: He he he sure talked like that was the case.

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Speaker 5: there were indications that he knows he could know it better.

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Speaker 4: There were times when you looked at Ridley and went, whoa,

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Speaker 4: And then there were other times you looked at Ridley

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Speaker 4: the fact that he didn't know the offense all the

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Speaker 4: But when you don't know the offense, you play slower,

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Speaker 4: and he's a faster. In training camp, he was killing

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Speaker 4: dudes and he seemed like he was all in, fast

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think he I think he knows that

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Speaker 5: and believes it in his agent's telling him he can

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Speaker 5: get six million more somewhere else. It's a different thing.

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Speaker 4: Then I'll start learning another offense.

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Speaker 5: But I do think that. To me. The thing you

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Speaker 5: always have to remember with Calvin is there are times

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Speaker 5: You don't always find that everywhere correct.

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Speaker 4: I would, I would let that get out to do it.

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Speaker 4: I'd keep both of them by the way. I do

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Speaker 4: so I think they will do that. Here's the other thing.

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Speaker 5: My thing with receivers start to become. It's so deep

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Speaker 5: do you think you're gonna get the guy at seventeen?

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Speaker 5: That guy is going at four?

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Speaker 4: Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: The guy, the guy.

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Speaker 4: Yes, every offense needs the guy. If you have the guy,

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Speaker 5: Then you need somebody who can at least scare you

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Speaker 5: Only only a few games when Zay was healthy early

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Speaker 4: I think healthy, that's still a decent, pretty decent and

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Speaker 4: They look the tight end from Penn State. He needs

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Speaker 5: If they resigned, really I think they should. Boy, they

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Speaker 5: I mean, that would probably be the last year you

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Speaker 4: But if you have all that money in those receivers

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Speaker 4: you better be good in front of them.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 4: I mean you have to. They also didn't run the

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Speaker 3: By the way, Pete always going to see you. Thanks

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Speaker 4: Great guys, Pete Prisco, our favorite.

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Speaker 3: We start off the show with the best. That's what happened.

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Speaker 3: That's what happened.

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Speaker 2: You're done, Pete Prisco, CBS Sports teen writer Plenty I had.

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Speaker 6: Rano's super smart.

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Speaker 5: But then your thoughts, well, look what happened in Atlanta,

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Speaker 5: l right.

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Speaker 7: I mean, obviously, like you know, Saints the pedigree is there,

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Speaker 7: the right pieces. But I don't know if last year

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Speaker 7: this time Atlanta fans were thinking, like, you know, our

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Speaker 7: worked out right. Thet's find of the defense was right.

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Speaker 2: Cynthia Freeland earlier today on Radio Row here at the

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Speaker 2: NFL Scouting Combine, and the full conversation available now at

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Speaker 2: Jafy Chadwick John Oser from the Indiana Convention Center and

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Speaker 2: thanks to Pete Prisco, CBS Sports Senior Writer, and we

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Speaker 2: were out to Jeff Ferguson, the Jaguars VP of Player

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Speaker 2: Health and Performance and doctor Kevin Kaplan were supposed to

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Speaker 2: join us here, but they couldn't get back in this

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Speaker 2: credentialed area. They had the wrong credential something they were

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Speaker 2: in here earlier. I don't know what happened. They were

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Speaker 2: at the door trying to come in. But Jeff Fergers matter.

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Speaker 5: If you went an award around here, JP, I guess

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Speaker 5: so always certain people get credenned.

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Speaker 2: It's so busy in here, let me tell you so. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: we will not get to them today. We'll get to

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Speaker 2: them a little bit later in the coming weeks. But

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Speaker 2: congratulations in order to Jeff Ferguson.

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Speaker 3: He won the in Kine Memorial Award.

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Speaker 2: For Outstanding NFL Athletic Trainer of the Year that's given

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Speaker 2: out by the NFL Physicians Society. The awards ceremony was

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Speaker 2: last night here at the Combine. We saw the Jaguars

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Speaker 2: Medical group out about it dinner last night after that

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Speaker 2: ceremony and wide smiles all around him and congratulations to

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Speaker 2: Fergie well done.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and a lot of people in Jacksonville know Fergie

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Speaker 5: because he's the kind of guy who knows everybody. If

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Speaker 5: you don't, what a terrific guy. And the award the

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Speaker 5: Faint Kane is the I don't call it a lifetime

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Speaker 5: achievement because that sort of implies that you're gonna retire

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Speaker 5: the next year, and I don't think for he's planning

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Speaker 5: to do that. But it is an award given. It's

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Speaker 5: a Trainer of the Year, but it's an award given

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Speaker 5: by the trainers who you know, to the most respected,

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Speaker 5: best of the best of their profession. I don't I'm

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Speaker 5: not in their profession, so I can't speak personally, but

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Speaker 5: everybody will tell you he is one of the best,

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Speaker 5: one of the best guys going. And you know, anybody

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Speaker 5: who knows him couldn't be happier for him.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, a long career before the Jaguars, of course, to

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Speaker 2: the San Francisco forty nine ers and started with them

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Speaker 2: in twenty eleven. He was with the XFL a long,

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Speaker 2: long time ago as well the previous XFL, so he's

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Speaker 2: been at this for a long time. But Fergie with

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Speaker 2: a great award and we'll hopefully in the coming weeks

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Speaker 2: have him on Jaguars Happy Hour to discuss certain aspects

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Speaker 2: of that award and.

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Speaker 5: If his cindential works in our building, I mean, we'll see.

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Speaker 5: Who knows. I mean, it's day to day, right, you

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Speaker 5: could be a trend, so bad news for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: We're interested, obviously in hearing from doctor Kevin Kaplan about

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Speaker 2: the medical aspect of the combine here, and he came

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Speaker 2: in earlier for another conversation that we didn't get him yet,

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Speaker 2: and he was talking about polking and product on prospects

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Speaker 2: almost all day long. It's it's never really an ending

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Speaker 2: process here.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think people who have followed the NFL have

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Speaker 5: probably heard the importance of the medical here, but people

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Speaker 5: who haven't. The combine originally started. It grew out of

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Speaker 5: the need to have as many players as possible in

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Speaker 5: one spot for an extended period of time, so that

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Speaker 5: as many team physicians as possible could get into this

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Speaker 5: one spot and make all these checks, make checking them

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Speaker 5: out physically, so that you didn't have players flying all

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Speaker 5: over the country, meeting with every team. So that's always

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Speaker 5: been the heart of it. It is a big reason

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Speaker 5: why the combine. You know, everybody always asks you why

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Speaker 5: why don't they move to combine somewhere else? Well, big

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Speaker 5: reason it's not it's a convenient area overall for the combine,

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Speaker 5: but for the medical If you talk to medical people,

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Speaker 5: if you talk to doctor Kaplan, it is off the

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Speaker 5: charts convenient because they know where everything is. You can

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Speaker 5: get MRIs quickly. It is a super convenient spot to

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Speaker 5: do a very inconvenient task. And it's what it's about.

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Speaker 5: And my guess is, as we're talking to Pete about

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Speaker 5: the top of the show, there will always be a

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Speaker 5: combine because of the medical issue. It could get back

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Speaker 5: to the point where everybody understands that it's more for

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Speaker 5: medical than everything else and be less of an on

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Speaker 5: field event going forward. But from what you talk to people,

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Speaker 5: nobody thinks that there will come a day where there's

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Speaker 5: not a central location like this to have people come

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Speaker 5: and do the medicals. Because it's everything.

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Speaker 2: Got to have it, and there's obviously the storylines of

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Speaker 2: some other cities may bit on this at some point and.

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Speaker 5: Then it'll be a city where it's easy to go

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Speaker 5: get I mean, And I think they'll move it somewhere

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Speaker 5: because the league will want somewhere and they very much

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Speaker 5: want this to be what I would call like a

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Speaker 5: circus tent pole event. They want it to be a

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Speaker 5: fan and it's tough because they've been able to make

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Speaker 5: it that yet because it's not a very fan friendly.

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Speaker 5: The events aren't fan friendly enough. But I think they'll

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Speaker 5: eventually move it. And my guess is the year you

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Speaker 5: move it will be walking around somewhere and we'll see

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Speaker 5: doctor Caplan and he'll give you one of these. All right,

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Speaker 5: well they got it.

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Speaker 7: But so.

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Speaker 5: This is truly a from the football people you talk to.

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Speaker 5: This is it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it

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Speaker 5: event but you since at some point they'll break it,

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Speaker 5: and it'll be the people trying to execute the medicals

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Speaker 5: that we'll have to work harder for that.

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Speaker 3: Let's come back in a moment.

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Speaker 2: We're after Trevor Sikima Pro Football Focus scheduled to join

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Speaker 2: us to talk about some of the prospects the D

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Speaker 2: line working out as we speak.

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Speaker 3: It's worth saving. We do have the right quarterback.

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Speaker 8: I'm excited for the future with Trevor. He's excited the

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Speaker 8: conversations we've had since the season, you know. And I

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Speaker 8: don't get into the contract stuff. I mean that's I

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Speaker 8: leave that for Trent and the agents and stuff.

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Speaker 3: But I just know that our guy is the right guy.

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Speaker 8: He's got the right demeanor, he's got the right leadership,

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Speaker 8: and it's our job as coaches now to make sure

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Speaker 8: he takes that next step. And this will be another

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Speaker 8: big off season for him and his development and growth.

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Speaker 3: By no means is he where is he? Is he

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Speaker 3: where he wants to be or where we want him

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Speaker 3: to be.

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Speaker 8: But really looking forward to to work in another year

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Speaker 8: with with Trevor.

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Speaker 3: That's said coach Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Of course, at the podium earlier this week Tuesday at

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Speaker 2: the NFL Scouting Combine and Jaguars Happy Hour continues, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by the Saint John's River Water Management District,

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Speaker 2: Florida's water It's worth saving JP Shadwick John Ozier joined

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Speaker 2: by Pro Football Focus NFL Draft analyst Trevor Sekima.

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Speaker 3: Good to have you back. What's up.

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Speaker 9: I appreciate you, ays having me back.

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Speaker 6: I'm just gonna be under the impression that Doug was

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Speaker 6: talking to me every time he said Trevor. Actually it's

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Speaker 6: just always first name, and it's just like, oh, thank you, Doug.

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Speaker 9: I appreciate. Also, think I'm gonna have a good year.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's perfect.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no, but it's great to.

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Speaker 4: Be with you guys.

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Speaker 3: Guy. That's what happens.

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Speaker 2: So here we are at the combine again, defensive line

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Speaker 2: workouts are going on behind us, you know, across the

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Speaker 2: street at least we've seen them on screens and here.

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Speaker 2: So that's the first day of on field activity and

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Speaker 2: a whole weekend of that. But from your perspective in

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Speaker 2: the way you write and things for PFF, what's the

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Speaker 2: most important part of a combine week for you and

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Speaker 2: your coverage.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know, certainly the measurables are very very important, right.

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Speaker 6: I think that that's a big part of data gathering.

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Speaker 6: That is key for us because you have like weight

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Speaker 6: adjusted scores and certain thresholds that you know teams have

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Speaker 6: for different positions, you know, whether it's size of tackle

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Speaker 6: or you know, certain like arm lengths for corners, like

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Speaker 6: things like that. So that's really important because as we know,

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Speaker 6: schools sometimes lie about these guys, you know, fabricated, get

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Speaker 6: a little dating profile in there.

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Speaker 9: You know, maybe you're a little bit taller than you

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Speaker 9: actually are.

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Speaker 6: So you know, getting those measurements I think is really key. Certainly,

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Speaker 6: the athletic measurements are great. When you see a guy

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Speaker 6: on tape and you think he's athletic, you need to

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Speaker 6: see it out here.

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Speaker 9: You want to reaffirm that.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 6: If he's got a really good first step, okay, you

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Speaker 6: want to see the ten yard split.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 6: If you think he's really quick, you want to see

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Speaker 6: that in the cone drills, and so it's just those

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Speaker 6: things that you watch the tape. The tape is king,

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Speaker 6: but it's always good for them to come out here

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Speaker 6: and show you, yes, I am always that kind of athlete,

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Speaker 6: and that just reaffirms kind of what you believe of

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Speaker 6: a lot of strengths of these guys. And then you know,

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Speaker 6: this is a smaller part of it because we don't

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Speaker 6: get to talk to them very often. But evaluation of

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Speaker 6: these players you tape is only it's a big part

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Speaker 6: of it, but who they are is such a massive

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Speaker 6: part of this, and it ends up being a big

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Speaker 6: differentiating factor when it comes to we're gonna choose this

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Speaker 6: guy over this guy. You hear coaches and gms talk

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Speaker 6: all the time about culture, the right guys, things like that,

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Speaker 6: And so even though we as the media don't get

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Speaker 6: to get to sit down with them individually, seeing them

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Speaker 6: at the podium, hearing them answer these questions, watching you know,

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Speaker 6: their face slide up when they talk about certain things

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Speaker 6: like all that, like that, all of those things are

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Speaker 6: really important for different reasons.

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Speaker 5: At the combine, you mentioned the measurables, and this question

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Speaker 5: is probably in your wheelhouse because obviously PFF is known

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Speaker 5: for the analytical side of the game, with GPS information

659
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Speaker 5: coming from colleges. Now, how do you see that starting

660
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Speaker 5: to change how teams are gonna view them versus what

661
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Speaker 5: they see out here. How do you see that changing

662
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Speaker 5: scouting over the next five years. It seems like it's

663
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Speaker 5: about to change it a lot.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's gonna be a big component, right

665
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Speaker 6: because we don't necessarily have to wait for events like this.

666
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Speaker 6: We can already have a good idea of what a

667
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Speaker 6: guy is going to run. And we saw, you know,

668
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Speaker 6: in mobile at the Senior Bowl. They're doing that as well.

669
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Speaker 6: They're putting the GPS on these guys and you know,

670
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Speaker 6: in between practices or when you show up the first day,

671
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Speaker 6: they'll be showing on the big screen like, hey, here

672
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Speaker 6: was the fastest you know, defensive back yesterday. And you

673
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Speaker 6: get to see kinds of things like that, and you

674
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Speaker 6: see the miles par and all that. And so I

675
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Speaker 6: think that data is, you know, being as public as

676
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Speaker 6: it is is relatively new. But the important thing about data,

677
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 6: the guys at PFF have always kind of preached this

678
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 6: to me since I came on a couple of years

679
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 6: ago with him, volume is always the most important thing.

680
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Speaker 6: Right When you have a big sample size of data,

681
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Speaker 6: then you can really find out the truth about that.

682
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Speaker 6: So as years go on here and we have more

683
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Speaker 6: public or more available tracking data, you know, whether it's

684
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Speaker 6: changing direction, speed, total foot speed, miles per hour, distance traveled,

685
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Speaker 6: like whatever.

686
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Speaker 7: It is.

687
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Speaker 6: The more data that you have, the bigger volume of

688
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Speaker 6: data that you can measure, that's going to be able

689
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Speaker 6: to something that becomes quantifiable, that we can say, Okay,

690
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Speaker 6: this is now a stable metric that we can actually

691
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Speaker 6: project year to year, and then of course you'll get Hey,

692
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Speaker 6: this guy ran this speed consistently in college. This sustained

693
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Speaker 6: at the NFL level and it ended up being a

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Speaker 6: difference maker for them.

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Speaker 5: This is such a change in what a lot of

696
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Speaker 5: guys who are gms now even grew up with. Yeah,

697
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Speaker 5: and I know in my life, I'm a stubborn guy

698
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 5: and don't like to bring new things into my life.

699
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Speaker 5: Are you seeing more and more gms comfort level trust

700
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Speaker 5: in the things you're talking about, grow and grow and grow,

701
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Speaker 5: because I'm sure there's still a little bit of resistance,

702
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 5: but it's the future, it's the now. Are you seeing

703
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Speaker 5: that when you talk to people, when you see results,

704
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Speaker 5: when you see.

705
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Speaker 9: Drafts, Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 6: And you know, for some of the gms that have

708
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Speaker 6: been there doing it a long time, they're kind of

709
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Speaker 6: standing their ways.

710
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Speaker 9: Sounds harsh, but it's like they have.

711
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Speaker 6: Their ways of which they came up through this business

712
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Speaker 6: and what they believe to be the truth of the

713
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Speaker 6: best way to evaluate these players and team build and

714
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Speaker 6: all that, and so for them it's understandable that it

715
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Speaker 6: would be a little bit of a slower adjustment. But

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Speaker 6: I can tell you when teams are hiring new general managers, right,

717
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Speaker 6: these are the conversations that you have and you can't

718
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 6: just you don't have the luxury of saying no, no, no,

719
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Speaker 6: this is the way that we do it, this is

720
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Speaker 6: the way that we've always done it. You don't get

721
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Speaker 6: that benefit of the doubt because instead somebody might come

722
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Speaker 6: in in an interview behind you and say, yeah, we're

723
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Speaker 6: totally up on analytics. We understand how to take Because

724
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Speaker 6: the thing is is that people look at PFF and

725
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 6: they think like, oh, they only believe the numbers, and

726
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Speaker 6: that's it.

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Speaker 9: The numbers simply are there to help us. It is

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Speaker 9: a piece of the puzzle.

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Speaker 6: We've never said that those things are perfect, you know,

730
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Speaker 6: even the grades that we have. People love to harp

731
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 6: on the grades and things like that todes well. And

732
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Speaker 6: the thing is is that we've never said that they're perfect.

733
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Speaker 9: We like our system.

734
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Speaker 6: We're always trying to make things better. We're always trying

735
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Speaker 6: to improve and we've had people from in and out

736
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Speaker 6: of the NFL kind of help us with that. But ultimately,

737
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Speaker 6: it is simply a tool to help you make better decisions.

738
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Speaker 6: It's not the be all end all. Football evaluation is

739
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Speaker 6: a massive puzzle piece that you're supposed to put together,

740
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Speaker 6: and for different prospects, different pieces mean more.

741
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Speaker 9: So that's all it is.

742
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Speaker 6: And I think that when you talk about to your

743
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Speaker 6: original question, that willingness to look at those analytics and

744
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Speaker 6: look at those those those data points, that's all you

745
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Speaker 6: really want. Is there a willingness there? Can I owe

746
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Speaker 6: you this and say, hey, we think that this is

747
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 6: valuable from an analytical perspective. Do you have an openness

748
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Speaker 6: in your mind to say, Okay, I'll take a look

749
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 6: at that. Because if you take a look at it

750
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Speaker 6: and you go, nah, I don't like it, that's fine.

751
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 6: It's just the fact that you want to be open

752
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 6: minded to anything that can help you get an edge

753
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 6: in an extremely competitive game in a multi billion dollar industry.

754
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Speaker 2: Trevor second One with us NFL draft analyst Pro Football Focus,

755
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: give them a follow on X at Tampa Bay Tray.

756
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: All Right, the Jaguars finished nine and eight. They also

757
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: finished nine and eighth the year before that, little different

758
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 2: feeling nine and eight this time around, obviously after losing

759
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: five of the last six. So from your vantage point,

760
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: where are the Jaguars currently? There's free agency coming up,

761
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: some big time names that are pending free agents, some needs.

762
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Speaker 3: How far away are the Jaguars?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I think it's it's more than just

764
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 6: a twenty twenty three story, right, And I think you

765
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 6: guys know that you go back to what it was

766
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Speaker 6: with Urban Meyer and how much of a roller coaster

767
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 6: that was, and then Doug taking over and things going

768
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 6: in the right direction.

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Speaker 9: But as you guys know, progress is not always linear.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 6: Just because it got better from there didn't mean that

772
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 6: it was always only going to go up, and so

773
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Speaker 6: you figured it was gonna be a little bit of

774
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 6: a roller coaster ride, and there were some frustrations, especially

775
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 6: down the stretch. Now, this is a team that I

776
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 6: think has done the work to put themselves in that

777
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 6: conversation of we are in a winning window, and it

778
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 6: just didn't feel like they had that identity at all times.

779
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 6: Last year, and to me, that's a big part of

780
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 6: the puzzle going into this year is they gotta believe

781
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 6: they are that playoff team. They gotta believe they are

782
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Speaker 6: the best team in the division, and sometimes it just

783
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 6: didn't feel like that. And I think when you look

784
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 6: at team building, I really look at the interior defensive

785
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 6: line and the interior offensive line. Is let's get a

786
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 6: lot better in those areas this offseason. Sure, like you mentioned,

787
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 6: you've got some free agents that you got some decisions

788
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 6: to make. I think no matter what wide receiver depth,

789
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,959
Speaker 6: corner depth, I think those are things that you would

790
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 6: also address. But let's get really strong in the interior

791
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 6: parts of both sides of the trenches. And I think

792
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 6: that they do have some star power outside of that

793
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 6: to really be that winning window team.

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Speaker 3: So there you have it, The draft coming up late April.

795
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Speaker 2: I mean, what do you guys have on a weekly

796
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 2: basis now moving ahead after the combine?

797
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's PROA season coming up.

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Speaker 4: Ye.

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Speaker 3: What else is in the hopper?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So we actually released the first version of our Draft

802
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 6: guide over at PFF dot com right now, which anybody

803
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 6: can go and download if they have a premium subscription.

804
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 6: It's got one hundred and fifty full scouting reports, the analysis,

805
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 6: the strengths and weaknesses, the trade breakdowns, the advanced data,

806
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 6: a lot of the stable metrics that we have about

807
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 6: every single position. That stuff is all in there for

808
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 6: Like I said, one hundred and fifty guys, we're getting

809
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,439
Speaker 6: another fifty in there for the next iteration, then another

810
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 6: fifty for a total of two fifty that.

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Speaker 9: We will have before draft weekend.

812
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Speaker 6: So make sure you go and get that. And obviously,

813
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Speaker 6: any any players that the Jags either have their eyes

814
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 6: on or end up drafting, we can tell you all

815
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 6: about them if you've got that draft guide.

816
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 5: I do have one final question on like when you're

817
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 5: doing a mock draft. Can you tell when you're putting

818
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 5: together a mock draft and look at other people's mock

819
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 5: drafts that you take a different approach because of the

820
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 5: PFF approach if we I mean, is there a difference

821
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Speaker 5: in the mock drafts that people see? If you know

822
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Speaker 5: what I'm getting at.

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00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I think that mock drafts are very different

824
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 6: at different times of the year. Right we're in late

825
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 6: February early March. Now, the mock drafts that we do

826
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 6: will now be mainly predictive, like it will be this

827
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 6: is what we think this team will do. It's not

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Speaker 6: necessarily a what I or what we would do. For

829
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Speaker 6: a lot of those mocks, I do those in October, November, December.

830
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Speaker 6: I will tell you a lot about the prospects and

831
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 6: what I think about them, use a lot of my

832
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 6: own big board, and say this is how I'd.

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Speaker 9: Improve this team.

834
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 6: These are the team needs that we're seeing form throughout

835
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Speaker 6: the season.

836
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 9: This could be an option for them.

837
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 6: But when we get to this point of the year,

838
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 6: I think a lot of fans really just want to know, Hey,

839
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 6: who do you think that we're going to take? You know,

840
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 6: and so that answer is sometimes very different. So I

841
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 6: like to do those two different mock draft exercises, and

842
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 6: so sometimes I like to throw them both in around

843
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 6: this time of year and clarify, this is what I

844
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 6: think the team's gonna do.

845
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 4: This is what I do.

846
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 6: But normally there's just two different conversations that come with

847
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 6: mock drafts, and then.

848
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Speaker 3: Free agency happens and changes everything.

849
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, and look, we'll do a mock on Monday,

850
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 6: and then free agency will come and we'll have to

851
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 6: completely change everything.

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00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 9: So that's just the time of the year that it is.

853
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 5: Well, it's fun.

854
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Speaker 2: Well, Yes, the NFL second of Pro Football focus always

855
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Speaker 2: a pleasure. Appreciate your time.

856
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 9: Appreciate it, guys, Great work buddy.

857
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: Plenty ahead, We're back in a moment. Some fan questions

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Speaker 10: This past season was kind of like a stuff of

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00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 10: the Bud year in some ways, offensively at least where

863
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 10: you felt like the expectations deserved incredibly high. So we'll

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Speaker 10: learn a lot about this Jaguars team this upcoming season

865
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 10: that I think obviously is gonna look a little bit different.

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Speaker 10: But unlike prior years, like this is not going to

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Speaker 10: be the year where I expect to the set spend

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Speaker 10: a ton of time in the free agency sandbox, like

869
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 10: this might be much more of a retention off season

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Speaker 10: and addressing key needs in the draft.

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Speaker 2: Stield Gates, ESPN NFL Insider joining us a little earlier today.

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Speaker 2: earlier in the show, and yeah, we'll see what happens now,

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Speaker 2: I mean, moving out of here. It's all about the

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Speaker 2: franchise tag, when if they use it, which player they

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Speaker 2: use it on before March fifth, that's the deadline, or

882
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Speaker 2: do they get some d done. The start of the

883
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Speaker 2: league year, of course, is March thirteenth or four o'clock.

884
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Speaker 2: There's a two day window to officially negotiate for pending

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Speaker 2: for free agents after that, so there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: business coming up in the next two weeks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's gonna be interesting. I think there'll

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Speaker 5: be a touch more active and high profile free agency

889
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Speaker 5: than field things. I don't think it's gonna be a

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Speaker 5: you know, Christian kirk za Jones evaning, you know that

891
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Speaker 5: was a big one. Yeah, But because they're not there anymore,

892
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Speaker 5: they don't have to pull themselves up in three and

893
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Speaker 5: fourteen to nine and eight. They're at nine and eight

894
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Speaker 5: and they need to get better than that. I my

895
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Speaker 5: guess is that they will study corner an interior offensive

896
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Speaker 5: line quite a bit in free agency and figure out

897
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Speaker 5: if there's a guy who can impact one of those

898
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Speaker 5: two spots, if there's a guy that can free them

899
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Speaker 5: up to being able to make a wise choice at seventeen,

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Speaker 5: meaning not reach for a position there. But I think

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Speaker 5: I can see three potential or a potential impact guy,

902
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Speaker 5: a high profile free agent, another free agent who can

903
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Speaker 5: perhaps compete with a Luke Fortner, can compete with the

904
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Speaker 5: spot to try to make it better. If they like

905
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 5: Cooper Hodges, are you going to bring in a veteran

906
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Speaker 5: to make sure that Cooper Hodges has to earn that

907
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Speaker 5: spot because he's never played in the NFL Cooper Hodges

908
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Speaker 5: so moves like that because the great truth of the draft,

909
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Speaker 5: No GM wants to go into the draft and not

910
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Speaker 5: be able to start already, meaning you want to have

911
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Speaker 5: a depth chart that if you had to go into

912
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Speaker 5: Week one, you could line up, so they'll be able

913
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Speaker 5: to line up, and now you want your draft to

914
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Speaker 5: be able to improve what you've already got.

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Speaker 2: We're on tention Xcel Jaguwar's com Jaguars YouTube time for

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Speaker 2: social media questions powered by Microsoft.

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Speaker 3: We put out the cat signal earlier today.

918
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Speaker 5: At Cats Boy, here's the best one to come up with?

919
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Speaker 3: In fact, that Wako, Garna, High, JP, John and Bucky.

920
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Speaker 3: Where's Bucky? He didn't make it on this show. It's okay.

921
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: Which cornerback from the draft or free agency fit the

922
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Speaker 2: new Jags defense? Well, if you go on Jaguars dot

923
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Speaker 2: com to a lot of our guests that have come on,

924
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Speaker 2: they will dig into some of the names near the

925
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Speaker 2: top and field the field.

926
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Speaker 3: Yates actually talked about a basket.

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Speaker 2: You know there's maybe not one two kind of guys,

928
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Speaker 2: but there's you know a handful of guys that could

929
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Speaker 2: be around the top a cornerback.

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Speaker 3: Pete was talking a little bit like that as well.

931
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Speaker 5: And my impression is Rekestraw and I always draw a

932
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Speaker 5: blank on on the Toledo name. Quinian Mitchell. I believe

933
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Speaker 5: and hope them getting that right. My impression from listening

934
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Speaker 5: to people is that is that they fit what Nielsen's

935
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Speaker 5: going to try to want to do. He he wants

936
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Speaker 5: to play press with help over the top. Those guys

937
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Speaker 5: seem to fit that. Nate Wiggins perhaps not so much

938
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Speaker 5: so it sounds like there will be guys who can

939
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Speaker 5: play in that scheme at that spot. So those would

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Speaker 5: be the names that I've heard, and in the next

941
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Speaker 5: couple weeks try to get a little more into those names.

942
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Speaker 2: Next question, at Shrek's Pacino corner, interior, O line, and

943
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Speaker 2: D line seem to be the biggest needs right now.

944
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Speaker 2: But how would you rank those three positions from most

945
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Speaker 2: pressing to lease. Well, for me, John, I'll go interior,

946
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Speaker 2: O line, corner, and D line.

947
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Speaker 5: YEP, Pressing is the key word if I'm looking at

948
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Speaker 5: a long term pressing which you can have pressing long

949
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Speaker 5: term need corner has to be addressed somewhere in this

950
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Speaker 5: draft or in freegency in my thought, because you've got

951
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Speaker 5: Tyson Campbell and Darius Williams both coming up on the

952
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Speaker 5: last year of their deal. So if you want preim

953
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Speaker 5: or premium equity spent there and not have a brand

954
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Speaker 5: new at some point, you need to get started replacing

955
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Speaker 5: one of those guys, because you're probably going to replace

956
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Speaker 5: both of them. That would be unusual. So I guess

957
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Speaker 5: for the sake of the question, I would go most pressing.

958
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Speaker 5: It's going to sort of depend on what they do

959
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 5: with some of their guys too. If Brandon Sheriff returns,

960
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Speaker 5: then interior line all of a sudden, everybody may think

961
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 5: it's pressing, but isn't pressing. I don't think he'll return,

962
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 5: so I'll go offensive line, corner, and defensive tackle. I

963
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Speaker 5: love disruptive defensive tackles, So a great disruptive defensive tackle

964
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Speaker 5: would be the guy that I would pick because I

965
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Speaker 5: think out of those three positions, that has the potential

966
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Speaker 5: to impact you the most because if it's closest to

967
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Speaker 5: the quarterback and it's a disruptive position. So that would

968
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Speaker 5: be my choice if I had if I had an

969
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Speaker 5: all Pro five year guy, and I knew, I would

970
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Speaker 5: pay defensive tackle over offensive line and corns.

971
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Speaker 2: Yeah, who doesn't like a disruptive defensive tackle. I mean

972
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 2: that's what they're supposed.

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Speaker 5: To be, right, right, But if you knew you were

974
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Speaker 5: gonna get it, but yeah, so you don't, right, That's

975
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Speaker 5: why you draft.

976
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't know.

977
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Speaker 2: Final question today at Julian Laurie al Balkey said that

978
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Speaker 2: Cam Robinson will be back, but what if the right

979
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Speaker 2: tackle for Lago slides to seventeen or you never know?

980
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: Left tackle Joe alf cornerback is not a lock at seventeen,

981
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: don't you think.

982
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 5: Well, there's no locks. I don't think there's no locks.

983
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 5: I would say realistically, if Cam's back, probably he's back

984
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Speaker 5: on a deal that makes it likely he's back for

985
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 5: two years, and that maybe that's not true. That would

986
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Speaker 5: be my impression, because I would think you'd probably rework

987
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 5: a deal to get it a little more cap friendly.

988
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 5: Maybe not, but so I think if Cam's back and

989
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Speaker 5: Anton's still right, then it would be surprising if you

990
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 5: went tackle again there, considering you have Walker Little on

991
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 5: the roster, so you already have your three, your depth,

992
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 5: your you know your safety valve if you will. I'm

993
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 5: talking a little about talking a little out both sides

994
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Speaker 5: of my mouth because I just said, well, you want

995
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 5: to draft for the future, and it's and it's possible

996
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 5: Walk a Little wouldn't be there the next year. But

997
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: I would say, if Cam's back, I'd be surprised if

998
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 5: it's pure tackle at number seventeen. If it's a guy

999
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 5: who can play guard and tackle, then that makes a

1000
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 5: little more sense. I love the idea of drafting developmental

1001
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 5: guy in the first round beause it means your roster

1002
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 5: is mature. I don't know that they're going to feel

1003
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 5: like they have that luxury.

1004
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: I mean, if it's a guy who can playguard and snap,

1005
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: then that's a that could be an option.

1006
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 5: You love it and catch pass right too?

1007
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 7: Right?

1008
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: All that?

1009
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if there's that guy, certainly and fundamentally

1010
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 5: I agree with what he's saying. If you're sitting at

1011
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 5: seventeen and you feel like you've got an offensive lineman

1012
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 5: who is a ten year starter, three or four time

1013
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 5: Pro bowler and you can make your offensive line, keep

1014
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 5: building it. Sure, realistically, teams don't draft that.

1015
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 4: Way you have it.

1016
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: The social media questions are in presented by Microsoft on

1017
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 2: This Jaguars Happy Hour, and that will pretty much wrap

1018
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: our coverage from Indianapolis. Huddle Up we'll run on Friday

1019
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: on the Official Jaguars podcast network. The video version on

1020
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: Jaguars dot Com featuring Cynthia Freeland, and so check that out.

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00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: Bucky Brooks was with us for that shows.

1022
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Speaker 5: He was for that show.

1023
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Speaker 2: We'll put it up on Friday, though you can hear

1024
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: Bunky and Cynthy and get their thoughts about the Jaguars.

1025
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: But got a lot done this week. Heard from the

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00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: GM and the head coach that that really is the

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Speaker 2: big thing that draws us here each and every year,

1028
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Speaker 2: and there's always whether they give you any definitive answers,

1029
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: is at least something to move the offseason out forward.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think we found out that they feel

1031
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 5: good about the roster, know there's work to do. As

1032
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 5: Trent Balky said on our show, we're in it to

1033
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 5: win it and not playing for anything else. So they

1034
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 5: know the moves they're gonna make. People watching the content

1035
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Speaker 5: probably say, well, they didn't say anything. They don't like this,

1036
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Speaker 5: they don't like that. They're not gonna say everything, but

1037
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Speaker 5: you know, it gives you a little better feel and

1038
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 5: that's what you're looking for out of the combine.

1039
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Speaker 6: You know.

1040
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Speaker 5: I think the big news Doug hasn't decided who's gonna

1041
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 5: call plays next year, right, And they're talking with Josh,

1042
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 5: they're talking with Calvin, they're talking with with Ezra Cleveland's agent.

1043
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 5: There's moving on those but this week on those fronts,

1044
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 5: it's sort of a stay tuned and let's see what

1045
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 5: happens later.

1046
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Speaker 2: And Trent Balkey actually told NFL Network on Tuesday before

1047
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: all the stuff at the podium that they had talked

1048
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Speaker 2: to Trevor Lawrence's folks as well.

1049
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 5: Sure, and okay, I'd be surprised with Trevor the way

1050
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 5: those conversations have gone. With other mega contract quarterback guys,

1051
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 5: It's usually been closer to training camp because there can

1052
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Speaker 5: be complex deals. That doesn't mean Jaguars won't do something immediately,

1053
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Speaker 5: but if you're a Jaguars fan and they haven't resigned

1054
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Speaker 5: Trevor or done that by April, that's usually the complex

1055
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 5: and significant enough deal. They can be closer to training

1056
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Speaker 5: camp when it gets done, or even in training camp.

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Speaker 3: Who knows, John well done all week?

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Speaker 5: Good job, enjoyed it, buddy, Great job.

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Speaker 2: John Oser, Jaguars dot Com senior writer, joining us thanks

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Speaker 2: to Trevor second month Pro Football Focus, Pete Prisco, CBS Sports,

1061
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Speaker 2: Brent Reaper here on site with us each and every show.

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Speaker 2: Of course, our whole crew here on site at Indianapolis

1063
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Speaker 2: and back in the studio. Joe Fortunado, Max Hawkman, David Chow,

1064
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Speaker 2: that entire crew back home doing a great.

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Speaker 3: Job all week.

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Speaker 2: Our social media team fantastic of course, all our graphics guys,

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Speaker 2: Nick Cortes, those guys did a great job. So thanks

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Speaker 2: to you for watching and listening all week long our

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Speaker 2: coverage of the NFL Scouting Combine available on jaguars dot com.

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